Article 27519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:40:41 -0700 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8tooef$nchcc$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973071632 24528268 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27519 > Is it Aye'-pis, ap'-is, or something else? Hmmm. Depends where you live. In Oz, and parts of England, I think the first suggestion would be about right., but in North America, we make it sound like 'ape piss' (which you gotta admit sounds strange to passersby). Emphasis on the first sylable. > Is it mel-lif'-er-a, mel-i-fer'-a, or something else? We say that part to rhyme with "bell if hurrah", drawing out the second sylable. allen Article 27520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clinton signed the Farm Bill Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:51:46 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8tovrr$qei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-55.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 973079227 27090 209.130.165.55 (1 Nov 2000 11:47:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:47:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27520 But the question still remains...does it include honey??? Article 27521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A001FD4.53238013@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax processing References: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> <20001031204855.02408.00000776@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:53:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.92.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973086819 168.191.92.144 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:53:39 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:53:39 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27521 I was in the chemical manufacturing business for 14 years, and we took a hot knife and cut the blocks into small chunks, about the size of soap, then put them into the blending tank. We also pre-melted blocks in an industrial microwave oven, and then added the liquid slurry. Hope it helps... Scott Article 27522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001031212138.07702.00000461@ng-bk1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee's Magazines Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:48:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.248.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973093737 24.128.248.123 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:48:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:48:57 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27522 > I would like to order a great year round ( 12 month) Bee's Magazines for my > Father birthday this coming next month which I think it would be a great > ideas.. I get American Bee Journal and Bee Culture. I like both of them. ABJ tends toward more research-like stuff and commercial concerns (my own opinion). Bee Culture tends toward more hands-on stuff and may have more articles easily read by non-academic types. They both have 12 issues per year. You can find more info on American Bee Journal at http://www.dadant.com/abj.htm Info on Bee Culture is at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/ -Steve Article 27523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Nuked" (microwaved) Honey Date: 1 Nov 2000 15:42:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8tpdkg$850$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973093328 8352 128.173.176.162 (1 Nov 2000 15:42:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 15:42:08 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27523 I have been told how bad it is to heat my honey in the microwave and that such honey cannot be legally traded in some countries. In connection with another issue (infant botulism) one of you led me to the following site that is an advocated for pastuerization. http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/pasteur.html They crank the temperature up to 170 F. Article 27524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Nuked" (microwaved) Honey Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 16:08:09 GMT References: <8tpdkg$850$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001101110809.02843.00000571@nso-fv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27524 In article <8tpdkg$850$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) writes: > >I have been told how bad it is to heat my honey in the microwave and that >such >honey cannot be legally traded in some countries. In connection with another >issue (infant botulism) one of you led me to the following site that is an >advocated for pastuerization. >http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/pasteur.html >They crank the temperature up to 170 F. > A little snippet of information is dangerous to both mind and honey. To prevent oxidation of honey, ruining its flavor amongst other things, the same site says it is cooled immediately. Heat fast, cool fast. To do this, you have to have a large heating surface, a rapid flow rate, and a large cooling surface. Honey in a bottle takes time to heat, and longer to cool (if it is surrounded by air). Flash heaters, fast honey pumps and flash coolers are useful tools, but they dont exist in a microwave oven nor in the ordinary kitchen, at least here in Texas. If I were to have those in my kitchen, I might add a large diatomous filter too. After that, an automatic bottler and labeler would be nice also. Of course, then I would have to move my mead fermentation tanks out for lack of room. Article 27525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tm65n$q8i$1@lure.pipex.net> Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:32:41 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 973096073 204.244.87.57 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:27:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:27:53 PST Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27525 Here's an alternative, on this site http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm there is a honey press made with a car jack Heated or not heated, all the literature I've put my hands on says it is better not. Maybe your honey is as good because it always comes from new combs ? Article 27526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Charles Sartin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: missouri bee keeping Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:45:16 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27526 I am moving and getting rid of my bee stuff..see the add here...... http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P76+C193+R1601095 Article 27527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whitewash may reduce pesticide use Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 18:08:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001101130812.24780.00000032@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27527 A whitewash made from clay (yup, clay!) may improve the possibilities of organic fruit production. At least is has the potential to greatly reduce pesticide use, because it makes a physical barrier for insects. It also protects fruit from damaging spectra of light, can serve as a frost barrier and has many other advantages that are yet unexplored. Best of all, it's non-toxic (some of the pills you take have kaolin clay as a base). I expect it should be non-toxic to bees. The full story: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/nov00/white1100.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Wilf Baker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Homoeopathic Treatment Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:05:58 -0000 Organization: RemarQ http://www.remarQ.com Message-ID: <8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.16.137 X-Trace: 973105545 LGTBT6QCL1089D48CC uk26.supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27528 Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their Bees homoeopathically for mite infestation or disease. If so advice on remedies, potency.method and frequency of application would be appreciated Wilf Article 27529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:35:16 -0600 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3qs00t4cn6q375910aijkt44qdov56i277@4ax.com> References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973110917 24690692 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27529 >My daughter in law is a doctor I know we must consider the infallibility of doctors these days, however it sounds like she has heard about infant botulism but doesn't know the whole story. Then Kent Stienburg said: >What your daughter in law is trying to say is that honey MIGHT contain >spores that can cause infant botulism. These spores appear in only 7 percent of tested honey, so the risk is low to start with; however, there is still a risk. The word botulism invokes disquiet as the related agents are very deadly. However, it isn't the bacteria from the spores, it's the toxins left behind. (bacterial waste products) Spores left in one's improperly canned green beans because they didn't pay attention to acid levels required to kill the spores is the most common reason people die from 'botulism.' These toxins happen to be one of the world's deadliest poisons. A similar thread to infant botulism was in this group a while back, and I wrote the following post, edited for this posting. (from 5.27.2000) (related to the 'dangers' of refined sugar) The reason infants get "infant botulism" (related to improper canning et.at.) is because they haven't developed enough digestive acid levels in their stomachs to kill the bacteria when it 'hatches' from the spores. Infants in this case, get a mild fever and the runs, with dehydration being the greater danger. We all know of course, it's the mother who should be eating the honey and feeding the infant from her reasonable breasts, this is the best way to feed infants honey. C.K. Article 27530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:38:18 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973114697 24730325 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27530 Try to stay on thread Jerome. first you start a thread with: >Separation by Microwave then move it to: >Separation by Microwave -the evil nuker. then to: >"Nuked" (microwaved) Honey this is extremely tedious when trying to follow this thread. Do you teach Chemistry at Virginia Tech Jerome? C.K. Article 27531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:20:41 -0600 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973113641 25287216 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27531 Scott Perry states: > If I am going to get stung >every day, I'll just stay in the chemical business You don't have to be stung every day Scott, just get a good suit, like the Sheriff 'Beekeeper' (gossamer white nylon) and wear some nitrile gloves. You won't be stung. Some beekeepers like to be stung Scott, these are the same people who like to 'pay' a visit to 'Nurse Wolf' when in the big city. C.K. Article 27532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:58:03 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3f310t4u8gafqee2tah62hbcui5dpjpl5d@4ax.com> References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0480.nts-online.net (216.167.132.225) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973115882 24519073 216.167.132.225 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27532 It's Latin Bill, no one really knows how Latin was pronounced because we don't have any recordings of educated Romans speaking. Just suit yourself. I've noticed on the media and in conversation with the 30 somethings that it's become a status thing to pronounce some word 'correctly' as this is supposed to suggest one knows something about it. Of course by their new pronouncement they are really saying they're bone ignorant and assuming you're the same. This poor woman I was talking to recently moved to Pueblo, Colorado and told me straight up that Pueblo isn't pronounced POO EBB LOW it's actually PWEEBLO. Lord Byron pronounced Don Juan (DON WHAN), as DON JEWEN. I guess that's just an invitation to the Spanish to remember the Armada. C.K. Article 27533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:46:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973118789 20228 128.173.176.162 (1 Nov 2000 22:46:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:46:29 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27533 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com says... > >Scott Perry states: > >> If I am going to get stung >>every day, I'll just stay in the chemical business > >You don't have to be stung every day Scott, just get a good suit, like the >Sheriff 'Beekeeper' (gossamer white nylon) and wear some nitrile gloves. You >won't be stung. > >Some beekeepers like to be stung Scott, these are the same people who like to >'pay' a visit to 'Nurse Wolf' when in the big city. > The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. Article 27534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:59:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973119543 20228 128.173.176.162 (1 Nov 2000 22:59:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2000 22:59:03 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27534 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com says... > >Try to stay on thread Jerome. Good grief, as topic drift goes I stayed pretty close. By the time most usenet threads get this long the topic has evolved totally. >first you start a thread with: > >>Separation by Microwave And was flamed for even suggesting it. >then move it to: > >>Separation by Microwave -the evil nuker. > >then to: > >>"Nuked" (microwaved) Honey > >this is extremely tedious when trying to follow this thread. Do you teach >Chemistry at Virginia Tech Jerome? No, I teach Physics. Close, but no cigar (sorry Monica). I am not sure what your point is above. Is it that 1.) I should confine all posts to exactly the original question. or 2.) I can allow some drift but should not change the name of the thread to denote that drift. 3.) or what? . Article 27535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3A00A71C.2D9C9AAE@zylay.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:28:28 -0500 From: Gene Organization: http://www.zylay.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.143.240.76 X-Trace: 1 Nov 2000 18:31:31 -0500, 205.143.240.76 Lines: 6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!newsfeed.mia!news.hcs.net!205.143.240.76 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27535 > The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad > arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. Have heard of bee sting therapy for arthritis before, so maybe he had a point Article 27536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0236.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:44:31 -0600 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0236.nts-online.net (216.167.131.236) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973122270 25198414 216.167.131.236 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27536 >The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad >arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. I've also heard all that but I think it had more to do with substituting one pain for another and the chemical respondents from the body's reaction to such an invasion, like cortisone (a substance produced from the cortex of the adrenal gland that has shown dramatic effects on rheumatoid arthritis.) and endorphins (any of a group of opiate proteins with pain-relieving properties that are found naturally in the brain.) that offered some temporary relief. There is new knowledge that suggest bee stings may not be so curative as previously believed. In fact each time your body is invaded by a foreign substance, there is a reaction from the immune system, possibly weakening it. Arthritis is, after all, one's immune system turning on itself, rather like AIDS. Best to not over stress your immune system with a lot of un-natural and invasive substances within your environment or in fact pollution in general, and this includes a steady assault by bee venom. There's one more thing about being constantly stung by bees. You may think you're not allergic but then one day, whammo, you'll go into anaphylactic shock* because your immune system hit the wall. This can kill you of course and it's also very embarrassing. Another hazard of too many stings is if your wife or sexual partner is in fact allergic to bee stings, (and may be unaware of this) bee venom lodges itself in minute quantities within your testes, then one day your sexual partner is violently ill or worse. This condition isn't always so recognizable as anaphylactic shock and is subsequently hard to diagnose when quick treatment is required. *anaphylactic shock n (1910): an often severe and sometimes fatal systemic reaction in a susceptible individual upon exposure to a specific antigen (as wasp venom or penicillin) after PREVIOUS sensitization. C.K. Article 27537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0258.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:37:00 -0600 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0258.nts-online.net (216.167.132.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973125419 25064037 216.167.132.3 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27537 >Good grief, as topic drift goes I stayed pretty close. By the time > most usenet threads get this long the topic has evolved totally. Topic evolution doesn't bother me but changing the title of the thread when the topic is still relative (microwaves in this case) does. >.And was flamed for even suggesting it. Sorry Jerome, it is a religion... what did you expect? >No, I teach Physics. Close, but no cigar (sorry Monica). > I am not sure what your point is above. Is it that 1.) I should confine > all posts to exactly the original question. or 2.) I can allow some > drift but should not change the name of the thread to denote that > drift. 3.) or what? Humm. a man of science. William Burrows, a great American, once said: "scientist, no job too dirty for a fuckin' scientist." However, don't get me wrong, I'm a sturdy supporter of the UCS. In regard to your questions: 1. NO, drift all you want if it's evolved from the original thread, just keep the same thread so everything regarding that thread is in one place. 2. YES, that's right, if the post is still in regard to the original thread. In the case of the drifting threads, (above) it was 'microwaves.' 3. (or What?) Explain to me Jerome, the concept of NO TIME. This might be a good time to start a new thread. C.K. Article 27538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:07:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27538 "Jerome R. Long" wrote:
My daughter in law is a doctor and my grandson is ten months old. I am told he
cannot be fed any honey until he is at least three years old. The word botulism
was mumbled. Can anyone enlighten me on this restriction? I thought honey had
all these miraculous positive qualities (that are allegedly destroyed by heat).
Our doctor told us 3 years as well. All my bee books indicate 1 year. We are following the doctor's orders however. 
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  Article 27539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis mellifera mellifera Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:48:36 +0100 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8trkhk$8bj$2@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip106.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 973165940 8563 195.249.242.106 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27539 From the Danish Beekeeper magazine! the fourth International conference about the brown bees. held 19-25 august in Sweden. SICAMM (Societas Internationalis pro Conservatione Apis mellifera mellifera. president Josef Stark (Sweeden) next konference will be held in Poland 2002. I am looking for more information about this. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: three vs. two Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:27:10 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8tru5o$kqb$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup17.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 973175800 21323 209.23.15.17 (2 Nov 2000 14:36:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2000 14:36:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27540 Hi all, During the cell size debate I started thinking about bee populations. If I use pierco frames instead of wooden frames it gives me 15% more brood that can be raised. This creates a possible greater population than using wooden frames. Problem is brood chamber congestion. Why do we (Beekeepers) use two deep boxes for the queen to lay? Young queens can easily fill two brood chambers then congestion sets in and they swarm. Wouldn't by using three deeps create adequate queen space allow for easier splitting if desired, and control swarming a little better? What effect would three bodies have on honey production? Would to much honey be stored in the third thus reducing your crop to much? What do ye all think? Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY Article 27541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:11:05 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds05.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 973163697 27380 62.188.6.111 (2 Nov 2000 11:14:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2000 11:14:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27541 Long snip... HMF is. Then today I see that Jorn Johanesson has provided the link to > make it easy for us. I guess that's the difference between searching > for truth and going at it with a mind that is already made up. Further snip.. He should know about minds aready made up! I do hate it when people think their opinion is more important than the facts. The sneering tone of voice shows so clearly in the snipped bits, or at least, that's how it reads to me. Unfortunately the writer didn't really seem to understand what HMF is and why it's worth knowing about. HMF (hydroxymethylfurfuraldehyde) is produced in mixtures/foods containing sugars. If cold, it appears very slowly. The hotter, the faster. This is why it is a fair measuring indicator for how much a sugary food has been heated, or how long it has been on the shelf. Jam, for instance, contains far far larger amounts of HMF than any heated honey unless that honey has been turned to a black treacly mess. Similarly, old honey will contain more than new, though in this case the amounts are small. What the writer seems to have missed is that HMF is a harmless chemical and of no interest except as a guide to past heating/time elapsed. It is chosen for analysis mainly because it is one of the easier substances to test for. Eat it with confidence - you do every time you eat a cake cooked with honey or sweets made from honey. I shall continue to heat my honey when I need to, bearing in mind the principle that warm for a long time may cause more changes than hot for a short time. That's why I use the Microwave on single pots of honey I want free of crystals - you can get them hot in 2 minutes, dissolve the crystals, and cool them again very soon, so very little else happens to the honey. The alternative is a day or more at 40C or 45C which may cause more change. On another tack, people who decry warming honey obviously do not encounter oilseed rape (colza) honey. This solidifies in the comb very rapidly, and sets to a rockike hardness unless processed carefully. Anti-heat people would be forever giving supers of set comb back to their bees and breaking knives regularly trying to get honey out of jars. OSR honey would make nice bowling balls if hung up in a filter for more than a day. By the way, is it a good thing to use women's clothing as filter cloth when there is much better purpose made graduated filter cloth available from suppliers? Martin. MK,UK Article 27542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia new dates Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:46:17 +0100 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8trkhj$8bj$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip106.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 973165939 8563 195.249.242.106 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27542 Source president for Apimondia Asger Soegaard Joergensen who is also beekeeping consultant in Denmark E-Mail asj@krl.dk The Apimondia Congress has moved to 28. October - 1. November 2001. Still in Durban South Africa reason is that South Africa is elected as host for a world conference against racism, discrimination and fear of strangers in Durban 17/8 to 10/9 2001. it gave a time conflict so Apimondia decided to move to another date, though still in South Africa. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rddrpx01-port-30.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:37:48 -0700 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8trqls$18a9$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rddrpx01-port-30.dial.telus.net (161.184.16.31) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973172222 41289 161.184.16.31 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27543 > ...old honey will contain more > than new, though in this case the amounts are small. What the writer seems > to have missed is that HMF is a harmless chemical and of no interest except > as a guide to past heating/time elapsed. It is chosen for analysis mainly > because it is one of the easier substances to test for. Eat it with > confidence - you do every time you eat a cake cooked with honey or sweets > made from honey. FWIW, though, apparently HMF is harmful to bees that are confined, and perhaps unconfined bees too. I remember concluding some time back after reading up on the topic that 5 year old honey in the comb would not be very good for bees in spring. More info is in the BEE-L logs at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ . Search for HMF. allen Article 27544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mite fall Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:15:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A01D967.83F9106C@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27544 Just an observation, but I noticed it took 46 days for the mites to stop falling on one hive. Another hive is at day 38 with still 50 mites after 24 hours. Both hives initially had hugh mite drops in the high hundreds this fall. Not a significant test, but I thought it was interesting to pass on. Kent Stienburg Article 27545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Nov 2000 16:05:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001102110506.01904.00000711@nso-fn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27545 There have been a couple of threads related to this subject, I thought it appropriate to just post some research and a summary of research on honey deterioration and heating. Some countries have used chemical quality standards (amylase and/or HMF) that relied on easy to measure chemicals, avoiding the real test ( flavor) because it is difficult to quantify. Here are two articles that are of some interest, both seem objective enough and avoid self serving research so common these days. These are posted just for info to those who are wanting to read research and summary research. I am not into flame contests or related contests of virility. http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/Products_Hive/honey_com.html http://www.confex2.com/ift/99annual/abstracts/4590.htm This one is technically correct, but is fraught with [ (national) legal ] opinions of the value of the vitamin content of honey.. Please excuse my editorizing comment on the value of these opinions..... http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/H2O2.html There are many other documents, but many are based in opinion, tradition, marketing, protecting markets, or similar self serving interests. I hope the above will be found valuable to you. Of course, the most valuable book on my shelf in this area is Eva Crane's (editor), Honey. I need an updated copy. Article 27546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nnrp1.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell and Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: missouri bee keeping Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1.1.ccp.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:01:31 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp1.sbc.net 973209686 207.193.195.8 (Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:01:26 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:01:26 CST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27546 This ad has been pulled! Article 27547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A01F52B.B954B416@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: three vs. two References: <8tru5o$kqb$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:13:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 973206719 206.231.24.203 (Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:11:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:11:59 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27547 I used 3 deeps for many years. I found that many combs were not used by the bees for raising brood. Combs in the bottom box contained pollen and nectar, but brood was scattered. I think 3 boxes is good for novices and backyard beekeepers who rarely inspect their bees. It helps with swarming. The bees use the bottom combs for storing incomming nectar, so it doesn't plug up the brood nest. Try putting a dark combs under a strong colony during a honeyflow and see how much nectar shakes out after a day. This can be a good temporary swarm prevtion maneuver. If the queen is confined to 2 brood chambers she will use most of the comb space for brood. Nectar will be put in the supers where it belongs. Her performance can more easily be judged when in 2 chambers. Ultimately she should have enough comb space to lay where brood has just hatched. If there are too many combs, she can't revisit the comb soon enough and the bees plug it with pollen or nectar before she can lay in it. The result I have sometimes mistaken for a failing queen. If you feel that you must give them more room, why not use a super. When it is filled with an early honey like dandelion, it can help keep her below. Most of my colonies are setup like this. Sure there's brood in it early, but she soon moves down. huestis wrote: > Hi all, > > During the cell size debate I started thinking about bee populations. If I > use pierco frames instead of wooden frames it gives me 15% more brood that > can be raised. This creates a possible greater population than using wooden > frames. Problem is brood chamber congestion. Why do we (Beekeepers) use > two deep boxes for the queen to lay? Young queens can easily fill two brood > chambers then congestion sets in and they swarm. Wouldn't by using three > deeps create adequate queen space allow for easier splitting if desired, and > control swarming a little better? What effect would three bodies have on > honey production? Would to much honey be stored in the third thus reducing > your crop to much? What do ye all think? > > Clayton Huestis > Crown Point, NY Article 27548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to this-any help for a beginner-yorkshire-based u.k. Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20001028095218.21593.00000239@ng-mj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205684 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27548 In article <20001028095218.21593.00000239@ng-mj1.aol.com>, Rooskwy writes >help!!! Join your local association. You'll get lots of help from friendly folk. If you want to get help from the newsgroup describe the kind of help you want or the problem you think you have. There's lots of folk out here itching to give you help. -- James Kilty Article 27549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> <20001031210046.07702.00000451@ng-bk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205683 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27549 In article <20001031210046.07702.00000451@ng-bk1.aol.com>, Blue Taz37 writes >Be careful when lift the lid, I have BlackWidow under the edge of the cover. >Good things I wore gloves. Fortunately in this country we have no poisonous spiders. The ones described are friendly to the beekeeper and a few bees rent is a low price for their help!! Every hive should have one. Too many and they'll sort each other out. -- James Kilty Article 27550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax processing Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:51:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205695 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27550 In article <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au>, Les Redding writes >We are currently using beeswax in some of our processes, and find >adding a relatively large (2 kg.) top-up amount of wax in one lump >causes temperature instability that is rather hard to predict. What is the temperature of the substance to which you are adding the wax? If it is higher than the melting point of wax then why not add molten wax. Otherwise, try pouring just molten wax into a large tub of water from a height and move the flow around. My guess is you'll end up with lots of little lumps. -- James Kilty Article 27551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:47:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973205685 nnrp-04:19452 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27551 In article <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Jerome R. Long writes >My daughter in law is a doctor and my grandson is ten months old. I am told he >cannot be fed any honey until he is at least three years old. The word botulism >was mumbled. Can anyone enlighten me on this restriction? I thought honey had >all these miraculous positive qualities (that are allegedly destroyed by heat). > From what I have heard and read it is basically a scare story IMHO. A few cases of botulism in infants were associated with honey without any proper evidence at all. You cannot be sure infants digestive systems will kill the organism until 1 year. Honey can contain botulism. It is everywhere as it comes from the soil. So to play safe, suppliers label their honey as not suitable for infants under 12 months. If only we were so cautious about what we dump in the rivers, sea, land and air; what we take into ourselves in the way of antibiotics, vaccines (especially those with mercury in them), food additives; what we spray on our crops and weeds; how we kill our food animals .... I am sure friends on this list could list a few more. It seems an odd bit of logic but presumably comes from our love for little ones. Pity about the vaccines... -- James Kilty Article 27552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:43:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973213047 nnrp-09:3581 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27552 In article <8tribh$qnk$1@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle writes snip >I shall continue to heat my honey when I need to, bearing in mind the >principle that warm for a long time may cause more changes than hot for a >short time. That's why I use the Microwave on single pots of honey I want >free of crystals The original argument started if I remember from so long ago about using *microwave* to heat honey. The discussion about HMF became a diversion or Aunt Sally (set up to knock down - not deliberately here). There was research (which I cannot give as a precise reference as I cannot remember) which showed the destruction of the enzymes in honey by microwave. These enzymes do have beneficial effects on the honey and its properties - again I do not have the reference. Maybe someone else can give them. I do warm honey as minimally as I can if I must provide clear honey for sale (or to put in tea or coffee or on muesli...) and though some people do detect a difference in taste and there are detectable changes, to my unsophisticated palate there is no difference with my honeys and I find them always delicious. Nor are the enzymes destroyed unless the heating is excessive: more than quoted. Nor have I had any complaints. -- James Kilty Article 27553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:48:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973213048 nnrp-09:3581 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27553 In article <8tq77n$jo4$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Jerome R. Long writes snip > And was flamed for even suggesting it. snip > I am not sure what your point is above. Is it that 1.) I should confine > all posts to exactly the original question. or 2.) I can allow some > drift but should not change the name of the thread to denote that > drift. 3.) or what? There comes a time when any point gets lost. Maybe this is it. -- James Kilty Article 27554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 01:13:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001102201313.19658.00000223@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27554 Doctors kill more children than honey. Last I looked at the estimate for malpractice/medical misfortune the death toll was higher than for gun violence/accident. Tom Article 27555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0936.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:01:46 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0936.nts-online.net (216.167.136.45) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973216907 192009 216.167.136.45 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27555 >This one is from Greek and is made from >2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li >which means honey, and the 2nd word is from >fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which >means I carry. If you put both words together >it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) >mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. >Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. >Hope this helps. At least we all agree on the Latin word 'Apis.' There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. Their language does not derive from Greek. However, in this case both words are too similar in appearance and meaning to think the Romans didn't adopt it into Latin. Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all their names. Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' C.K. Article 27556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite fall Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:49:23 -0700 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8ttckd$695c$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A01D967.83F9106C@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973223374 205996 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27556 What is causing these mites to fall? allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > ...I noticed it took 46 days for the mites to stop > falling on one hive. Another hive is at day 38 with still 50 mites > after 24 hours. Both hives initially had hugh mite drops in the high > hundreds this fall... Article 27557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:59:58 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8ttd88$5u1h$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973224009 194609 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27557 > ...Another hazard of too many stings is if your wife or sexual partner is in fact > allergic to bee stings, (and may be unaware of this) bee venom lodges itself > in minute quantities within your testes, then one day your sexual partner is > violently ill or worse... Gee Charlie, it's not April 1st, but that's a good one just the same. Article 27558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0903.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:12:52 -0600 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <49i40tcjh34rfi522j8k3iu9cok3560gbt@4ax.com> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8ttd88$5u1h$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0903.nts-online.net (216.167.136.12) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973228380 173593 216.167.136.12 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27558 >Gee Charlie, it's not April 1st, but that's a good one just the same Laugh it up but I shit you not. C.K. Article 27559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!celynnen.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Dick Thompson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973284889 nnrp-12:27972 NO-IDENT celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27559 I have been having trouble obtaining Paradichlorobenzine to store my supers over the winter. Someone has suggested to me that I use Naphthaline mothballs, as these are readily available. Has anyone any idea whether this is acceptable practise? Article 27560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 19:55:52 GMT References: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001103145552.07923.00000341@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27560 >It was my honey not the store bought >stuff that comes from God knows where, being handled by people without >running water, in the middle of the jungle where they wipe their tails >with leaves. Get my drift. Now really, Beekeep, you're probably talking about the sort of place where my wife and kids come from. Aside from the nasty racist comment, is there any evidence that anyone has ever actually contracted botulism from honey? Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 12:26:00 GMT References: <49i40tcjh34rfi522j8k3iu9cok3560gbt@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001103072600.09455.00000271@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27561 Once upon a time I heard it explained as the bee venom exposure your family gets that comes in on your clothing and gear. Can somebody describe this commercial? I gave up television in favor of my internet addiction. Tom Article 27562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001014163624.15717.00000111@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Beeswax Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:31:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973287073 63.20.67.125 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:31:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:31:13 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27562 i am interested....I tried to email you, but got Mailer Demon saying your address was incorrect. "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20001014163624.15717.00000111@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > I know we are all Beekeepers here, but I figure I'll try anyway;) I'm selling > beeswax @ 3.50lb. for anyone thats interested. Its in 2 pound filtered blocks. > Larger orders means cheaper wax. > > thanks > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" > Article 27563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whitewash may reduce pesticide use Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 19:31:11 GMT References: <20001101130812.24780.00000032@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001103143111.07923.00000332@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27563 > A whitewash made from clay (yup, clay!) may improve the possibilities of >organic fruit production. At least is has the potential to greatly reduce >pesticide use, because it makes a physical barrier for insects. It also >protects fruit from damaging spectra of light, can serve as a frost barrier >and >has many other advantages that are yet unexplored. Best of all, it's >non-toxic >(some of the pills you take have kaolin clay as a base). I expect it should >be >non-toxic to bees. > >The full story: >http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/nov00/white1100.htm > > Non-toxic no doubt, but does that make it friendly to bees? Isn't it possible that they may collect the clay, which is a very fine powder when dry, in misake for pollen? Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Load of Crap Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Message-ID: <031120001756383347%loading@crap.com> References: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> <20001103145552.07923.00000341@ng-da1.aol.com> <3a033db9.128868829@news1.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:56:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.158.156 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 973299395 161.184.158.156 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:56:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:56:35 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27564 > beekeep wrote: > > where they wipe their " TAILS " with leaves. Get my drift. Yah we all got your drift > That's not being a racist, it's being a realist. Naaaaah that's being a racist > The more people I meet the more I like my bees. The more you post the more WE like your bees also. Article 27565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:04:05 -0700 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co1a-43.rasserver.net 204.32.148.43 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27565 Mellisa Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:ob640tccdb05v6al7c6mdfdiag7olpjd76@4ax.com... > >This one is from Greek and is made from > >2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li > >which means honey, and the 2nd word is from > >fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which > >means I carry. If you put both words together > >it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) > >mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. > >Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. > >Hope this helps. > > At least we all agree on the Latin word 'Apis.' > > There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. > > There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is > Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. > > The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. Their > language does not derive from Greek. However, in this case both words are too > similar in appearance and meaning to think the Romans didn't adopt it into > Latin. > > Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all > their names. > > Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed > out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' > > C.K. Article 27566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Nov 2000 01:34:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001103203417.21466.00000199@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27566 >The ones >described are friendly to the beekeeper James Kilty Well I understand other spider But, here in Va. those Black widow are dead poison if get bit on your finger. Tim Article 27567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:15:40 -0600 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-240.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 973296989 99943 207.229.151.240 (4 Nov 2000 00:16:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 2000 00:16:29 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27567 in article 973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk, Dick Thompson at dick@celynnen.demon.co.uk wrote on 11/3/00 2:53 PM: > I have been having trouble obtaining Paradichlorobenzine to store my supers > over the winter. > > Someone has suggested to me that I use Naphthaline mothballs, as these are > readily available. Has anyone any idea whether this is acceptable practise? > > Here it is again, http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm Article 27568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mite fall Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:38:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A037690.96D512B7@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A01D967.83F9106C@kingston.net> <8ttckd$695c$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27568 Hi Allen, The mites are falling because I have Apistan in. I guess my point was you need to keep the Apistan in for the entire time. I wish I had done the screened bottom before. I am very interested to see what the mite fall will be like next summer when there is no Apistan in. Also, the amount of mite drop at the beginning exceeded anything I would have imagined. However, since this is the first time I don't know what other years have been like. If I had removed the strips even 10 days early I would have left 200 or so mites in the hive. I had no mites fall for 2 days prior to removal. Does this mean there are no mites left..??? I don't know. I'll check the trays in the spring. There appears to be a good population of young bees for the winter and the hives have attained their winter weight so I'm optimistic. Kent Stienburg Article 27569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:54:31 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.185 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 973305909 209.100.115.185 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:45:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:45:09 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27569 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message > There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. And it is deriving from the original in Greek. > There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is > Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. I am Greek and it sounds very; Greek to me. > The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. They didn't borrow, they stole everything. Even the name they use (Roman) is Greek from the Romioi which means the brave Hellenes. Their name is Latins from the tribe of the Latins. > Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all > their names. Same as they took a lot of the ancient Greek words made some changes to them so they appear and sound different. The same thing is happening from Greek with the English language. > Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed > out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' > C.K. The Greek word for bee is Melissa, with the accent on the (e) M(e)lissa. Article 27570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> <8tvfg9$ca3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:10:33 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.185 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 973303246 209.100.115.185 (Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:00:46 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:00:46 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27570 "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8tvfg9$ca3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article , > I'll ask someone who knows and get back...but do you happen to know the name > of the very pricey honey they push to tourists in Greece. I was tempted to > buy some there last summer, but one is asking for trouble when they pack a > glass jar of honey in airline luggage. It is either thyme or savory honey. Most of the hillsides of the mainland and the islands are covered with these plants, an excellent bee forage that produce a beautiful ruby color and very tasting honey. I was watching the tv program "amazing destinations" about 2 months ago and they stated that " the hillsides of mount Parnassos produce the finest honey in the world" Article 27571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:39:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3a033db9.128868829@news1.radix.net> References: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> <20001103145552.07923.00000341@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27571 On 03 Nov 2000 19:55:52 GMT, rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) wrote: >>It was my honey not the store bought >>stuff that comes from God knows where, being handled by people without >>running water, in the middle of the jungle where they wipe their tails >>with leaves. Get my drift. > >Now really, Beekeep, you're probably talking about the sort of place where my >wife and kids come from. Aside from the nasty racist comment, is there any >evidence that anyone has ever actually contracted botulism from honey? > >Regards, > >Robert Brenchley > >RSBrenchley@aol.com That's not being a racist, it's being a realist. Most places in South America where they keep AHB are very remote and they don't have running water. Hell, we can't drink the water without getting sick there. The same is true in China. beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: 3 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8tvfg9$ca3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973291849 12611 128.173.176.162 (3 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2000 22:50:49 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27572 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com says... > >>This one is from Greek and is made from >>2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li >>which means honey, and the 2nd word is from >>fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which >>means I carry. If you put both words together >>it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) >>mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. >>Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. >>Hope this helps. > >At least we all agree on the Latin word 'Apis.' > >There is also a Latin word: Mellifer (fera and ferum) it means honey-bearing. > >There are many derivatives in English from Latin and Greek, but mellifera is >Latin not Greek. It doesn't even sound like Greek. > >The Romans borrowed many forms from the Greeks but not linguistic ones. Their >language does not derive from Greek. However, in this case both words are too >similar in appearance and meaning to think the Romans didn't adopt it into >Latin. > >Romans certainly admired the Greeks and even took their gods, but changed all >their names. > >Just out of curiosity, I noticed the Greek word for honey as you've pointed >out, but no words for bee.. Any Greek words for 'bee?' I'll ask someone who knows and get back...but do you happen to know the name of the very pricey honey they push to tourists in Greece. I was tempted to buy some there last summer, but one is asking for trouble when they pack a glass jar of honey in airline luggage. Article 27573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Nov 2000 22:57:31 GMT References: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001103175731.18892.00000518@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27573 > >Someone has suggested to me that I use Naphthaline mothballs, They are death to your bees and will ruin the combs for further use. Tom Article 27574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:37:19 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.net (216.167.136.66) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973316242 458617 216.167.136.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27574 Billy Smart any chance of you configuring your news reader to send plain text messages. Every time you sent a post it appears as an attachment (in line apparently) and then on my end this requires a separate application to be launched before it can be read. C.K. Article 27575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:41:08 -0600 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.net (216.167.136.66) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973316471 458617 216.167.136.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27575 >Mellisa Mellisa what? Is this the Greek word for bee? Is this what you're saying? C.K. Article 27576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:56:08 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0957.nts-online.net (216.167.136.66) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973317369 425532 216.167.136.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27576 >The same thing is happening from Greek >with the English language. Really? What English words are creeping into Greek? Lite Beer? There's lots of Greek words in English, like Psycho. You ever hear the old Vaudeville joke about the guy that ask about his wife and he's told she's in bed with Arthritis and he says I'll kill that Greek bastard. There used to be some great 'ethnic' humour in the U.S. before our culture was wrecked by corporate sensibilities and now we're politically correct and very boring. C.K. Article 27610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: undeveloped wings Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:16:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8u6eg1$7mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.22.204 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 06 14:16:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.22.204 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27610 I just went in and removed the Apistan strips from my hives and I noticed in one hive that there were some capped brood cells that the caps had been cut on and the bees inside were dead and there were some worker bees in the hive that had only partially developed wings. I remember reading about something causing this with the wings but don't remember what. Is there anything I should be treating with now? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A06CD79.7E43C97F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:25:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27611 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > Billy Smart any chance of you configuring your news reader to send plain text > messages. Every time you sent a post it appears as an attachment (in line > apparently) and then on my end this requires a separate application to be > launched before it can be read. > > C.K. Is this better? My apologies, looks all the same from my end... -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Imported Honey Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:13:36 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8u6kic$m33$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39FE8534.55A31C5A@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 973526412 22627 62.136.94.165 (6 Nov 2000 16:00:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:00:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27612 Whilst it sounds like a good way of promoting local honey, I would not think it wise to link the idea of causing allergies with any honey. "Scott G. Perry" wrote in message news:39FE8534.55A31C5A@hotmail.com... > Some one told me that imported honeys can cause allergic reactions more > readily than doemstic honey. Truth? > > Scott > Article 27613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:06:21 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8u6kie$m33$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 973526414 22627 62.136.94.165 (6 Nov 2000 16:00:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:00:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27613 Several comments: There is no such thing as 'excess honey' - every drop is valuable and should not be wasted as it takes a great deal of work by the bees to collect. Washing it away is like throwing away coins because you think that only notes are worth keeping! I would not put super above the crown board. I know that this is accepted as 'the right way to do it', but the number of dead bees found later on the crownboard suggests to me that they either suffocate in the enclosed space, or become very sticky with the honey and then die. I put supers back below the crownboard, reasoning that they will not suffocate and, if they do become sticky and drop down to the queen excluder, then others bees will clean them up. Since doing this I no longer have little heaps of dead bees - and these bees are even more valuable in the autumn because they are the young bees for winter. Leave the supers until the weather turns cold and then remove those that have no honey; usually the bees take it all down into the brood box, but if there is some in the first super then leave that on to add to their stores. I am picking up my supers now for storage. There is another great advantage to this method in that the bees will keep the supers free of waxmoth and you will find that, by removing them now when it is much colder, you can store them without fear of waxmoth damage. "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:pq9hvsko9sm1gtmnk0osmldb91kibubdgb@4ax.com... > I have only been keeping bees over the past couple of years and this > year is the first that I have had a reasonable amount of frames to > deal with. > > In one of the books I read it said that the best way to clean excess > honey from frames you recently extracted honey from was to place the > super above a crown board with the access hole or whatever you call > it, open. The bees, feeling that the super was not truly a part of the > hive because of its separation, would clean off the frames and take > the excess honey below. Whilst this did work on most of the frames > they actually began storing honey in the central three frames. > > Being late in the season I was stuck so I took the super home and > immersed the frames in a sink of warm water and washed the stored > honey out. > > Does anybody have any comments on this? Did I do something worng? Article 27614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homoeopathic Treatment Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:49:48 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8u6kid$m33$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-37.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 973526413 22627 62.136.94.165 (6 Nov 2000 16:00:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:00:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27614 See Bee Craft - October 2000 "Wilf Baker" wrote in message news:8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com... > Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their Bees homoeopathically > for mite infestation or disease. If so advice on remedies, potency.method > and frequency of application would be appreciated > > Wilf > > Article 27615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A06DC43.661BF70C@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial (RANT) References: <8u1k9301a0u@drn.newsguy.com> <20001104185603.19704.00000714@ng-ff1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:28:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 973528096 209.248.4.173 (Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:28:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:28:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27615 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Well if State Farm hired this clown then the solution is to not buy their > products. > Or any products this guy is involved with and to be very vocal about it. > All they care about is their wallet hit em there and hit em hard. > > Tom It was a COMMERCIAL!!!, it was HUMOR!!! - jeez, don't you people ever crack a smile??? Think I'll stroll over to the ilovemysnake group to see if they are equally upset about the recent FedX commercial....(or was that UPS?) AL Article 27616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." Subject: Paint Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:35:56 -0800 Lines: 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust82.tnt11.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.31.82 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27616 Hi< Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some reason they shouldn't be painted. Thanks, Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 27617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!ord-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.uiowa.edu!black.weeg.uiowa.edu!mcicha From: "Michael Z. Cicha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:34:41 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <973284889.27972.0.nnrp-12.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> <8u40h0$c6i$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: black.weeg.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 973528482 13316 128.255.56.4 (6 Nov 2000 16:34:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:34:42 GMT X-Sender: mcicha@black.weeg.uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27617 On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > If you have trouble finding acetic acid, you can get it at your local > grocery store..the purest form at the grocer is "distilled white vinegar. > Distilled white vinegar purchased at the local grocery store is generally acetic acid diluted to 5 %. I am not sure where to get concentrated acetic acid except from a commercial supplier. Article 27618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Scott Franklin" From: "Scott Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can mothballs harm bees? Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:30:17 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.48.114 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 973646684 208.25.48.114 (Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:24:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:24:44 PST Organization: InReach Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27618 I have an ant problem on my property and I have found that mothballs drive the ants away. But if I use them near the beehive will it harm the bees? Scott Article 27619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Insufficient Stores & Wax Moths X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A06DC7C.EE7C071B@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:29:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 46 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27619 Group, I am a first year newbie so every season is a new season for me. OK, I am probably a little late getting to it but I did a fall management inspection over the weekend and I am finding that a prolonged drought through the months of July-Sept. has apparently robbed me of a fall flow sufficient enough to get winter stores. So, 4 of my 5 hives need feeding and I am doing that - 2:1 syrup in 1 gallon pails inverted over the inner cover opening. However, a couple of the hives are almost completely devoid of any stores and I am seeing signs of wax moths in them as well. I found a cocoon in one hive on one frame and around 3 frames with cocoons in another. Does this mean I am too late? I read the presence of moths is indicative of low populations. All are queen right and all but one have capped brood. I worry I may not have enough population for overwintering the two weakest hives - not to mention controlling the wax moths. Will the 2:1 syrup I am feeding stimulate the queen to start laying more? Could I feed 1:1 to stimulate brood rearing? I think I may take the inner cover off those weak ones and put 4 1-gallon buckets over the tops of the bars so they can bring the feed in faster. I am afraid they may not be able to gather enough syrup before it gets too cold. Can they get syrup out of a pail with temperatures in the 40s? Is it too late to save the two weakest hives? Bees cover 5-6 of the 10 frames in each (2) deep boxes. I would have though that this was enough but now the moths make me think otherwise. I'm sure the root problem has been a lack of nectar, I would hate to have to destroy a couple of perfectly good queens and combine with another colony. When mixing syrup, is it important to heat the water? I just "eyeball" the sugar to 2/3 of the gallon bucket and then fill with cold tap water to the gallon mark. I stir until all the grit goes. Other than making it easier to mix, is there a reason to heat the water? They don't appear to be taking this syrup as fast as they did the 1:1 in the spring, but I heated the water then and I am not now. I am located in South Central Kansas. Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: 8 Nov 2000 03:59:14 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8uaj2i$hcr$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2436.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973655954 17819 128.173.36.54 (8 Nov 2000 03:59:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2000 03:59:14 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27620 In article <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net>, buzzybee@capital.net says... > >Hi all, > >There seems to be many that believe that 4.9mm cells are the natural cell >size for our bees. Whether or not this is true seems to be unimportant. We >know that honeybees are capable of living in many different cell sizes. >What seems important is the affect that 4.9mm cells have on varroa? I guess >what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? Other than the >Lusbys has any one had success with small/natural cells vs. varroa? What >effect would hygienic bees and 4.9 cells have on varroa? Just thinking if >it works use it. I'd like to hear results from those who have had success >with this. > >Clayton Huestis For many years the Walter T. Kelly Co. has sold an off-size foundation they call 7-11 for use in supers with the claim that the queen will not lay in the off size cells. As I recall they are smaller than standard. It has worked fairly well in a hive with adequate standard space. Thus, I fail completely to understand this thread. Furthermore, I can see no reason why the mites should care about the cell size. > > Article 27621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1143.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:59:53 -0600 Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3A00238D.7806A99F@nospam.boeing.com> <3A06CD79.7E43C97F@nospam.boeing.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1143.nts-online.net (216.167.136.252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973652396 1331996 216.167.136.252 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27621 Yes, looks good now. C.K. Article 27622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Nov 2000 12:32:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001108073223.22821.00000080@nso-fq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27622 I'm new to beekeeping as of two days ago. I found a new bee hive in a utility box in the ground. It was attached to the lid of the box. I made a glass bee hive, not for the production of huny at this time, but just to observe, and enjoy. Right now the hive is still attached to the plastic utility box lid, in the hive. I have a glass lid that I am going to attach the hive to. It will then hang from the glass lid that is the right size for the glass hive, instead of haning from the plastic utility box lid as it is now. I need to attach it to the glass lid. I figure I will use a large puddy knife to remove it from the plastic lid, and then poor hot bee's wax on the glass lid, and set the honeycomb, bees and all on the hot wax to attach it to the glass. I figure the hot wax should bond with it quickly, and cool quickly, and be just as strong as if they had done it themselfes. Do you think this will work? Also the plastic lid has a huge gird of about 1 1/2 inch cubed, so when I remove the comb, there will be quit a bit still in the lid. Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:18:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8ubnak$iuu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ubmn4$ied$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.16.162 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 14:18:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.16.162 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27623 I paint all sides of my bottom boards with a decent quality Latex paint. I find that it helps when cleaning the hive during spring startup. The coating helps me to remove the dead bees and wax particles with little effort instead of sticking in the wood pores. As far as paint driving bees away, I haven't had any problems with that. Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:07:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8ubmn4$ied$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 14:07:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.2) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27624 In article , "J & N F." wrote: > Hi< > Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I > usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to > paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some > reason they shouldn't be painted. I have used exterior grade paint on both sides of my bottom boards (painted with exterior primer first) have never noticed any problems. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Brown Substance Splattered on Idaho Identified as Bee Waste Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 07:45:28 -0800 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3A097518.78C001A2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blayne.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 973698339 19890 129.101.81.91 (8 Nov 2000 15:45:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2000 15:45:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27625 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:225 Lifted this from the AP this morning. Hehehehee. Mystery Solved Brown Substance Splattered on Idaho Identified as Bee Waste The Associated Press M I D D L E T O N, Idaho, Nov. 8 — The mystery substance that fell from the skies over Meridian, Middleton and Caldwell during the summer has been positively identified as bee waste. The brown and odorless substance splattered homes, cars, flowers and plants for about four months, leaving a mark on everything it touched. Officials from the Department of Environmental Quality suspected that the material was coming from an insect. Prime Conditions for Excess Poop At two sites tested in Ada and Canyon counties, researchers found a number of beehives in neighboring pastures, meaning that large numbers of bees were in areas hit hard by the brown stuff. Recent tests conducted at the University of Idaho’s agricultural extension office made it official. “Isn’t that a kick?” Middleton resident Barbara Jardine said. “I’m surprised, but definitely relieved.” Test results show that the harmless material is comprised mainly of pollen resin, said Michael Toole, an environmental science specialist with the Department of Environmental Quality. Residents in Meridian, Middleton and Caldwell are finally experiencing a reprieve as honeybees hit their hives for the winter. The Treasure Valley’s mild winter last year provided prime conditions for the bees this summer, leading to the excess waste Article 27626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rendering wax Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:35:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8ubvd1$q8t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.17.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 16:35:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.17.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27626 In article <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, leggsafton@my-deja.com wrote: > I am a small beekeeper and have been extracting honey by crushing up > the comb and straining it. When melting down the comb afterwards it > is always difficult to get the wax clean. I have been using a double > boiler, would it make sense after doing this once to get any > salvageable honey out to actually melt the wax again in boiling water > to allow any remaining impurities to sink down to the bottom separated > from the wax by water? My wife wants to make candles from the wax. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I'd like to add my 2 cents worth here, hoping that it will help you. First, crushing the combs will make separating the wax from the honey much more difficult... Have you considered using an uncapping knife/plane and an extractor? Also, crushing the comb will be more expensive as you have to replace your foundation each time. You will also find that your actual honey production will be smaller as it requires the bees to consume more honey in order for them to generate the wax that you will be crushing. Now for the second question. You can melt your wax twice to clean it more completely. If this is any help, I'll tell you what I do. First, I use an uncapping knife and an extractor. I uncap the frames into a screen which sits over a bowl. This allows the wax and honey some time to separate, letting the honey slowly flow through the screen and into the bowl while the wax stays on top of the screen. Next, I use small disposable aluminum bread pans to float in a stew pot of hot water. I spoon in the pieces of wax a little at a time to allow them to melt. Once the wax is melted, the remaining honey will separate to the bottom of the pan while the liquid wax flows to the top. Once the pan is full, or I have melted all the wax, I take the pans and place them in the refrigerator. When the wax is solid, simply pull outwards all along the sides to break the wax block free. Lift out the wax and the honey is left in the pan. Next, I remelt the wax blocks in the same way as previously described. I take another disposable pan and slide it into the leg of a pair of ladies nylons (the fine weave is great for cleaning wax). After the wax is again melted, pour it slowly through the nylon and into the pan that is inside the leg. All the debris from the wax will be caught on the outside of the leg while the clean wax will flow through the nylon and into the pan. Again, refrigerate the pan holding the wax. Now you will have a nice clean block of wax to work with. I hope this helps, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <8uaj2i$hcr$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 973707357 12.72.45.132 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:15:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27627 I believe the Kelly 7-11 is between worker and drone cell size. The impact of a smaller cell size on varroa is that a smaller cell results in a shortened development cycle for the bees. Since they emerge earlier, this interferes with the development cycle of varroa. If I recall, it has been determined that reducing the time spent in a sealed cell by only 1 day had a profound impact on the dynamics of varroa populations. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8uaj2i$hcr$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net>, buzzybee@capital.net says... > > > >Hi all, > > > >There seems to be many that believe that 4.9mm cells are the natural cell > >size for our bees. Whether or not this is true seems to be unimportant. We > >know that honeybees are capable of living in many different cell sizes. > >What seems important is the affect that 4.9mm cells have on varroa? I guess > >what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? Other than the > >Lusbys has any one had success with small/natural cells vs. varroa? What > >effect would hygienic bees and 4.9 cells have on varroa? Just thinking if > >it works use it. I'd like to hear results from those who have had success > >with this. > > > >Clayton Huestis > For many years the Walter T. Kelly Co. has sold an off-size foundation they > call 7-11 for use in supers with the claim that the queen will not lay in the > off size cells. As I recall they are smaller than standard. It has worked > fairly well in a hive with adequate standard space. Thus, I fail completely > to understand this thread. Furthermore, I can see no reason why the mites > should care about the cell size. > > > > > > Article 27628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: undeveloped wings Message-ID: <3a09aad0.1048837687@west.usenetserver.com> References: <8u6eg1$7mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A072596.2D6561F2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <_RKN5.17184$b8.370602@quark.idirect.com> <8u9sta$60d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A0969ED.5F50D719@nospam.boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 32 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:45:23 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:35:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27628 Also remember there have been found varroa strains totally resistant to Apistan. Dave On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:57:49 GMT, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: >leggsafton@my-deja.com wrote: >> >> Thanks all. I am picking up some checkmite to treat all my hives >> starting tomorrow as I expect through drifting, that the problem may be >> more widespread as to the resistance even though the other hives look >> strong. THis one surprised me as it had been quite strong not long >> ago. Will also look into the wintergreen treatment. >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > >I think you are being a little too quick to assume you need further >treatment. Yes, deformed wings are indicative of varroa, but if you have >already treated with apistan you may have already taken care of the >problem. The deformed bees are "leftovers" from the prior infestation. >Do a sugar or ether roll test on the hive and see if they still have >varroa before buying those checkmite strips. > >-- >Billy Y. Smart II >/* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ >/* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ >/* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Can mothballs harm bees? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:12:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.248.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973699947 24.128.248.123 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:12:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:12:27 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27629 > I have an ant problem on my property and I have found that mothballs drive > the ants away. But if I use them near the beehive will it harm the bees? Yes. Article 27631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Cam Update Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:16:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 973718161 204.186.180.230 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:16:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:16:01 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27631 I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty good. It is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm. I also have started putting together a educational picture album, which you can get to from the bee-cam page. http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam%20frames.htm Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com draperb@ptd.net Article 27632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rendering wax Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:58:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8uceol$93p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ubvd1$q8t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.22.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 20:58:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.22.116 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27632 Thanks for the tip on the final cleaning, I am doing the same type of process on first pass. THe reason I didn't use an extractor is that the foundation did not have any reinforcement and talking to friendin the industry was told that the extractor would tear up the comb anyway and that this way would be less mess to cleanup (I am not so sure about the mess.) THe new foundation will be reinforced for next year. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Nov 2000 13:59:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001107085932.23218.00000184@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27633 The acetic acid used in photo labs is near 40% Tom Article 27634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!newsfeed2.skycache.com!Cidera!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cappings Scraper Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:24:48 -0500 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@a049508.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27634 Is there a better way of scraping the cappings for extraction. I currently use on of those plastic capping scratchers sold from Dadant. Its kind of a pain in the A. I am not very good a getting a nice even scrape and it take me several minutes to scratch one one frame. Are the heated knives that much easier to use? I also recall seeing a "plane" type of capping remover in a book but I have never seen it offered in a catalog. Does any one know about these? I typically have 100-150 frames to extract in a given year. Thanks Jesse Article 27635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper Message-ID: <3a0814d0.944901328@west.usenetserver.com> References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 22 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:41:11 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:42:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27635 The heated knives are probably the way to go Dave On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:24:48 -0500, Jesse Hunter wrote: >Is there a better way of scraping the cappings for extraction. I >currently use on of those plastic capping scratchers sold from >Dadant. Its kind of a pain in the A. I am not very good a >getting a nice even scrape and it take me several minutes to >scratch one one frame. Are the heated knives that much easier to >use? I also recall seeing a "plane" type of capping remover in a >book but I have never seen it offered in a catalog. Does any one >know about these? I typically have 100-150 frames to extract in a >given year. > >Thanks >Jesse > > Article 27636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001107085932.23218.00000184@ng-cr1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mothballs to preserve honeycomb??? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:43:35 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-6xnYFEhrTbq8OFLVtZ/expJWi7gyNGwu6xD2kIijbNu0UkWXqlaPE30tMe/CiBW7V97DOit+igcAOum!rsfL9f04SEDjYfFTz1LweUuuVA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:43:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27636 I think what you are looking for is Glacial Acetic acid. It's pure. Be warned though, this is very strong Acetic acid. Acetic acid is based on an organic molecule. This means that if it comes into contact with a inorganic acid, it will react violently and may combust. An example of what NOT to do is store Acetic acid in the same cabinet as Hydrochloric acid (swimming pool acid). Mark "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20001107085932.23218.00000184@ng-cr1.aol.com... > The acetic acid used in photo labs is near 40% > > > Tom > > > > Article 27637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Nov 2000 16:27:35 GMT References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001107112735.20292.00000173@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27637 Are you using the cappings scratcher properly? You slide it along with the tines just under the cappings and it lifts them off. Tom Article 27638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rendering wax Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Nov 2000 22:16:02 GMT References: <8uceol$93p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001108171602.24327.00000074@nso-cq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27638 Is the hunycomb just wax, or is there other ingredients like celulose in it? I can understan there being some particles of stuff in it, but is the hunycomb besides a few impurities, just wax? Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A09EA4E.65BCC0EE@mediaone.net> From: Barry Meltzer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Triangle Escape- Quick question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:09:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973728594 24.128.21.130 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:09:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:09:54 EST Organization: Road Runner Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27639 How wide should the gap be at the points of the triangles in a triangle bee escape? I could have sworn I saw plans for one somewhere, but cannot find them now. Thanks, Barry Article 27640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!62.232.80.34.MISMATCH!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 70th National Honey Show News Message-ID: <973627144@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:59:04 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 973628287 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27640 70th National Honey Show News At the URL: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk/70thnhsnews.htm The National Honey Show 16th,17th & 18th November 2000 at Kensington Town Hall, London. UK. Full programme at the URL: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk/2000intro.shtml Main Site URL: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk BeeData URL: http://www.beedata.com Regards Steve in London ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 27641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:15:49 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27641 This is how i do it... Turn it over....points down....and drag it,,,pulling toward your elbow....yes you will get a bit deep at times...but hey...the bees will fix it...it shouldnt take more than 30 sec a frame...but hot knife will work...good....make sure you buy 1 with adjustable thermostat.... Joe Article 27642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:22:45 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27642 let me clarify.....hope the lines stay good // // // // scatcher in this direction...dont be affraid to use some force...use short strokes | -----> you will actually be scratching.....not lifting caps off.... | ------------------------------------------frame ------------------------------------------ Article 27643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: undeveloped wings Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:41:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8u9sta$60d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8u6eg1$7mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A072596.2D6561F2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <_RKN5.17184$b8.370602@quark.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.22.217 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 07 21:41:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.22.217 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27643 Thanks all. I am picking up some checkmite to treat all my hives starting tomorrow as I expect through drifting, that the problem may be more widespread as to the resistance even though the other hives look strong. THis one surprised me as it had been quite strong not long ago. Will also look into the wintergreen treatment. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:50:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 78 Message-ID: <8u9tfm$6ib$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> <8tq6g5$jo4$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.22.217 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 07 21:50:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.22.217 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27644 Never heard about the buildup of venom in testes. I thought it was just me giving my wife a bang. Anyhow, after you get stung awhile it seems more akin to a skeeter bite. When I was in college entomology, one of the grad students would purposely sting himself each day to build up immunity. Tried to get my neighbor who has bad arthritis to come help with my bees but he won't get out of his truck. In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >The old fellow who mentored me with bees a great many years ago had pretty bad > >arthritis. He claimed his arthritis was always better if he got a few stings. > > I've also heard all that but I think it had more to do with substituting one > pain for another and the chemical respondents from the body's reaction to such > an invasion, like cortisone > > (a substance produced from the cortex of the adrenal gland that has shown > dramatic effects on rheumatoid arthritis.) > > and endorphins > > (any of a group of opiate proteins with pain-relieving properties that are > found naturally in the brain.) > > that offered some temporary relief. There is new knowledge that suggest bee > stings may not be so curative as previously believed. In fact each time your > body is invaded by a foreign substance, there is a reaction from the immune > system, possibly weakening it. > > Arthritis is, after all, one's immune system turning on itself, rather like > AIDS. Best to not over stress your immune system with a lot of un- natural and > invasive substances within your environment or in fact pollution in general, > and this includes a steady assault by bee venom. > > There's one more thing about being constantly stung by bees. You may think > you're not allergic but then one day, whammo, you'll go into anaphylactic > shock* because your immune system hit the wall. This can kill you of course > and it's also very embarrassing. > > Another hazard of too many stings is if your wife or sexual partner is in fact > allergic to bee stings, (and may be unaware of this) bee venom lodges itself > in minute quantities within your testes, then one day your sexual partner is > violently ill or worse. This condition isn't always so recognizable as > anaphylactic shock and is subsequently hard to diagnose when quick treatment > is required. > > *anaphylactic shock n (1910): an often severe and sometimes fatal systemic > reaction in a susceptible individual upon exposure to a specific antigen (as > wasp venom or penicillin) after PREVIOUS sensitization. > > C.K. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Nov 2000 22:24:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001107172440.02458.00000237@nso-fb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27645 In article , "J & N F." writes: > >Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I >usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea >to >paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was >some >reason they shouldn't be painted. >Thanks, Preservative is much more beneficial, frankly, I like to treat the wood submerged in hot paraffin. The best thing you can do for the bottom boards is to keep them well off damp ground. I Paint the ones I want to look pretty, but in general, it makes not a lot of economic sense, at least in my calculations. When I paint, it is because I have some good paint in the barn that needs to be used. I get colorful combinations that way. I used deck coating on the last batch, I it worked well, and is the color of cedar (matches my deck). Article 27646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:52:13 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup1.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 973638046 8578 209.23.15.1 (7 Nov 2000 23:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Nov 2000 23:00:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27646 Hi all, There seems to be many that believe that 4.9mm cells are the natural cell size for our bees. Whether or not this is true seems to be unimportant. We know that honeybees are capable of living in many different cell sizes. What seems important is the affect that 4.9mm cells have on varroa? I guess what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? Other than the Lusbys has any one had success with small/natural cells vs. varroa? What effect would hygienic bees and 4.9 cells have on varroa? Just thinking if it works use it. I'd like to hear results from those who have had success with this. Clayton Huestis Article 27647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A08AD28.F11FADAE@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:32:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 973646985 208.13.202.115 (Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:29:45 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:29:45 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27647 Try using a solution of copper napthanate and mineral spirits. You can get concentrated copper napthanate from Mann Lake. J & N F. wrote: > Hi< > Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I > usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to > paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some > reason they shouldn't be painted. > Thanks, > Niki > > -- > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 27648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!edtntnt11-port-147.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Cam Update Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:34:26 -0700 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8ud0ub$1imc0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: edtntnt11-port-147.dial.telus.net (161.184.204.147) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973735693 1661312 161.184.204.147 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27648 > I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty good. It > is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm Windows (r) users can put it on the active desktop. I did. allen Article 27649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A09EA4E.65BCC0EE@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Triangle Escape- Quick question Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6qoO5.1180$pD5.22881@quark.idirect.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 02:59:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 973738754 209.212.62.33 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:59:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:59:14 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27649 The width of a regular pencil is all you need. Regards Dave....-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Barry Meltzer" wrote in message news:3A09EA4E.65BCC0EE@mediaone.net... > How wide should the gap be at the points of the triangles in a triangle > bee escape? > > I could have sworn I saw plans for one somewhere, but cannot find them > now. > > Thanks, > Barry > Article 27650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0348.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:13:48 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0348.nts-online.net (216.167.132.93) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973746827 1455867 216.167.132.93 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27650 Clayton Huestis ask: > I guess >what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? A post of mine from 9.18.2000 mentioned a report by: D. Message and L.S. Goncalves (1983) called: The effect of the size of honey bee cells on the rate of infestation by Varroa Jacobssoni, given at: 29th International Congress of Apriculture Apiacta 1984, pp.62 in which they stated the results of their research: In Brazil, cell sizes for AHB and EHB when measured were 4.5 to 4.8 mm dia. for AHB and 5.0 to 5.1 mm. for EHB and that the Varroa infestation rates were 4.8% for the AHB and 11.5% for the EHB's. That should give you an answer to your question, i.e 'pretty much.' C.K. Article 27651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rendering wax Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Nov 2000 09:27:20 GMT References: <20001108171602.24327.00000074@nso-cq.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001109042720.16720.00000415@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27651 >Is the hunycomb just wax, or is there other ingredients like celulose in it? > you've said it all !! wax is wax Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 27652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:29:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8ue1q7$ho7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001108073223.22821.00000080@nso-fq.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Nov 09 11:29:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.49 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27652 In article <20001108073223.22821.00000080@nso-fq.aol.com>, waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) wrote: > I'm new to beekeeping as of two days ago. I found a new bee hive in a utility > box in the ground. It was attached to the lid of the box. > > I made a glass bee hive, not for the production of huny at this time, but just > to observe, and enjoy. > > Right now the hive is still attached to the plastic utility box lid, in the > hive. I have a glass lid that I am going to attach the hive to. It will then > hang from the glass lid that is the right size for the glass hive, instead of > haning from the plastic utility box lid as it is now. > > I need to attach it to the glass lid. > > I figure I will use a large puddy knife to remove it from the plastic lid, and > then poor hot bee's wax on the glass lid, and set the honeycomb, bees and all > on the hot wax to attach it to the glass. I figure the hot wax should bond with > it quickly, and cool quickly, and be just as strong as if they had done it > themselfes. > > Do you think this will work? > > Also the plastic lid has a huge gird of about 1 1/2 inch cubed, so when I > remove the comb, there will be quit a bit still in the lid. > > Wayne Sallee > http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Hi Wayne, Coincidentally I was working on the same thing yesterday with a water meter lid. Attaching the comb to something else would be mighty tricky. In theory it should work but you would have a tough time exactly duplicating what the bees have now. Better I think to just build the glass box using the utility box lid as a cover. You should be able to get a spare lid from the utility company because they will be glad to have the bees removed. Sincerely, Herb in NW FL, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:41:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8ue2hh$i6v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Nov 09 11:41:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.49 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27653 In article , "J & N F." wrote: > Hi< > Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I > usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to > paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some > reason they shouldn't be painted. > Thanks, > Niki > Hi Niki, The only time I had a problem with paint is when I used some old painted plywood for top and bottom boards. It had been painted with leaded oil-based enamel and then later had been painted over with latex paint. The bees didn't pay any attention to the bottom board but systematically began removing the latex from their ceiling. Little flakes of paint were in the combs and honey. So whatever you paint with make sure it is the same kind of paint if you put on two coats. In other hives I've used latex or oil based paint, but not both together, and never had any trouble. Sincerely, Herb in NW FLA USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: BEE143@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 05:44:21 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <16405-3A0A8E15-4@storefull-167.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAzRi1a7xWZ/oFvsunUUvX9MVTZbYCFQC3asdMfY2UEWe1hBstwlIi3uz50g== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27654 wait till he is three // =8{})))- // Article 27655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A08FF4B.2797D8B5@bellsouth.net> From: Feenix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 01:22:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.63.207.36 X-Trace: news3.atl 973668492 208.63.207.36 (Wed, 08 Nov 2000 02:28:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 02:28:12 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27655 If I remember right, paint only the side that faces out. The paint will drive bee out. "J & N F." wrote: > Hi< > Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I > usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to > paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some > reason they shouldn't be painted. > Thanks, > Niki > > -- > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. 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Article 27657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.telebeam.net!washdc3-snf1!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: rendering wax Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:39:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.21.196 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 08 14:39:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.21.196 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27657 I am a small beekeeper and have been extracting honey by crushing up the comb and straining it. When melting down the comb afterwards it is always difficult to get the wax clean. I have been using a double boiler, would it make sense after doing this once to get any salvageable honey out to actually melt the wax again in boiling water to allow any remaining impurities to sink down to the bottom separated from the wax by water? My wife wants to make candles from the wax. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Nov 2000 12:57:54 GMT References: <8ue1q7$ho7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001109075754.19715.00000116@nso-fs.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27658 In article <8ue1q7$ho7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com writes: > Hi Wayne, > Coincidentally I was working on the same thing yesterday with a >water meter lid. Attaching the comb to something else would be mighty >tricky. In theory it should work but you would have a tough time >exactly duplicating what the bees have now. > Better I think to just build the glass box using the utility box >lid as a cover. You should be able to get a spare lid from the utility >company because they will be glad to have the bees removed. Yea I had though about doing that, especialy since the lid is broken anyway, and it's because it was broken that the bees got in there in the first place, but then, the box is broken too, so getting a new lid for it would not make it fit any better. The box is broken wors than the lid. It's a utility box for one of the lights in the church parking lot. It's not owned by the city. And then the other thing is that I realy don't want that as the lid for the bee hive. And yea I have figured that it might not come off in one piece, especialy since the lid has the 1 1/2 inch cubed grid on the underside. But I should be able to arange the pieces in a favorable maner, I think :-) Hopefully the bees won't get too upset with me. I wonder if I can do it without any protective clothing. The bees so far have been quite gental. So I figure I will give the bees a few more days to get used to their new environment, and then put them on the glass lid. That reminds me, I still haven't gotten the handle put on the lid yet. Got to get that done :-) Think I should try to remove some of the huney from the comb where it would be bonded? I thik trying to remove some of the huney at the bonding surface would probably be more trouble than it's worth. Any thoughts? Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!newsengine.sol.net!169.207.30.12.MISMATCH!posts0.nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!posts.news.corecomm.net!reader3-nwblwi.news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Snow escape hole - newbie Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:04:15 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3a0aaec3$0$1594$23c96b10@news.corecomm.net> Organization: CoreComm LTD - Chicago, IL NNTP-Posting-Host: 12be76f4.news.corecomm.net X-Trace: DXC=mdE?ZSTT=O:NZUVAGj=[M>@h7X@\0oLO=bo1K;GlJd>;dAcKco4nOk:Z]`@gFT8\<:VCbdZi]E`5;O=fN>KO96X1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@corecomm.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27659 This is the first year I will be wintering a hive. I live about one hour south of Chicago, IL. I have built a wind break on the north and west side of my hive and have it off the ground, sitting on concrete (cinder) blocks. My friend insists that I drill a hole in my upper hive body for an escape if the snow drifts cover the entrance. However, I'm not so sure. I thought I read somewhere on this newsgroup that it was not a good idea, but I can't remember why. Ideas or suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks. mb :-) ymbelluso@yahoo.com Article 27660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:17:20 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-klcffimvvKhh9vhmsFnzf70jtilFY7gMsi6623KiaHh+6ypmFKgG9bIso2HY4xpXl8WYstlaKfVTRc+!ZhKGfYxmYwCzIIml8sitqM+wTw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:17:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27660 I ran across this and found it VERY interesting. It appears that Varroa can be controlled/eliminated using heat! http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000007/00/0000070080.html Mark **************************************************************************** ************* TEKTRAN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- HEAT CAN REMOVE VARROA JACOBSONI (MESOSTIGMATA: VARROIDAE) FROM ADULT HONEY BEES (HYMENOPTERA: APIDAE) Author(s): HARBO JOHN R Interpretive Summary: Varroa mites are external parasites of honey bees that were first discovered in the USA in 1987. Unless protected by chemical treatment, these mites will kill a honey bee colony in about two years. This study examines heat treatment as an alternative method of controlling varroa mites. The study showed that it is. possible to remove all of the varroa mites from adult honey bees without killing the bees. Experiments were conducted in incubators to determine the percentage of the varroa population that dropped from caged, adult honey bees at different temperatures. 40 degrees C (104 degrees F) was the lowest temperature that removed all the mites. Heat did not kill the mites but caused them to drop through the screen of the cage and onto a trap below. All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. The heating and trapping technique can be used to evaluate mite populations on large samples of adult bees without killing the bees. Heat treatment can also be used to establish mite-free populations of bees Keywords: apis mellifera honey bee pollination production acarapis woodi tracheal mite africanized bees insects hymenoptera breeding genetic selection pest resistance molecular genetics dna rflps dna microsatellites identification population mating behavior germplasm storage colony management Contact: HONEY BEE BREEDING RESEAR 1157 BEN HUR ROAD BATON ROUGE LA 70820 FAX: 504-766-9212 Email: Approved Date: 1996-05-01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- TEKTRAN United States Department of Agriculture Agricultural Research Service Updated: 1998-12-18 Article 27661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:55:20 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3A098577.89E39651@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27661 Hi, folks - I think I'll sit this one out. There is more than enough info in searchable archives of the two main bee newsgroups to satisfy most people. Check out Nick Wallingford's great New Zealand website for links without bias. Home page .... http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/ Beekeeping newsgroups ...... http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/contacts/email.htm huestis wrote: > Hi all, > > There seems to be many that believe that 4.9mm cells are the natural cell > size for our bees. Whether or not this is true seems to be unimportant. We > know that honeybees are capable of living in many different cell sizes. > What seems important is the affect that 4.9mm cells have on varroa? I guess > what I am trying to say is all that matters is does it work? Other than the > Lusbys has any one had success with small/natural cells vs. varroa? What > effect would hygienic bees and 4.9 cells have on varroa? Just thinking if > it works use it. I'd like to hear results from those who have had success > with this. > > Clayton Huestis Article 27662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: undeveloped wings X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A0969ED.5F50D719@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8u6eg1$7mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A072596.2D6561F2@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <_RKN5.17184$b8.370602@quark.idirect.com> <8u9sta$60d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:57:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27662 leggsafton@my-deja.com wrote: > > Thanks all. I am picking up some checkmite to treat all my hives > starting tomorrow as I expect through drifting, that the problem may be > more widespread as to the resistance even though the other hives look > strong. THis one surprised me as it had been quite strong not long > ago. Will also look into the wintergreen treatment. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. I think you are being a little too quick to assume you need further treatment. Yes, deformed wings are indicative of varroa, but if you have already treated with apistan you may have already taken care of the problem. The deformed bees are "leftovers" from the prior infestation. Do a sugar or ether roll test on the hive and see if they still have varroa before buying those checkmite strips. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paint Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Nov 2000 09:30:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001109043031.16720.00000417@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27663 >Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? paint em all Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 27664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!news.caladan.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a0aaec3$0$1594$23c96b10@news.corecomm.net> Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Lines: 30 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:57:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 973796250 12.72.41.241 (Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:57:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:57:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27664 Absolutely drill the hole. It will not only prevent suffocation should snow cover the entrance, it will also allow moisture to escape. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "mbelluso" wrote in message news:3a0aaec3$0$1594$23c96b10@news.corecomm.net... > This is the first year I will be wintering a hive. I live about one hour > south of Chicago, IL. I have built a wind break on the north and west side > of my hive and have it off the ground, sitting on concrete (cinder) blocks. > My friend insists that I drill a hole in my upper hive body for an escape if > the snow drifts cover the entrance. However, I'm not so sure. I thought I > read somewhere on this newsgroup that it was not a good idea, but I can't > remember why. Ideas or suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks. mb :-) > > ymbelluso@yahoo.com > > Article 27665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:27:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 60 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27665 from TEKTRAN/United States Department of Agriculture/Agricultural Research Service website at http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/categoryV3/Insect_Pollinators.html EFFECTS OF COMB CELL DIAMETER ON PARASITIC MITE INFESTATIONS IN HONEY BEE COLONIES Author(s): ERICKSON JR ERIC H RICHARDSON GARY V KEHL KEVIN L ARP DENNIS L CAMERON BRETT E Interpretive Summary: The varroa mite is an economically important external parasite of honey bees. These mites reproduce in brood cells where they feed on hemolymph of developing bee pupae. Bee longevity is reduced and eventually entire colonies die. Thousands of domestic honey bee colonies are being lost annually to varroa. This study was undertaken to determine the effect of brood comb cell diameter on the population dynamics of varroa, and the validity of using varroa fecal accumulations (FA) as a field diagnostic for varroa. Thirty-six full-strength colonies, each with one of four types of brood comb, were monitored quarterly over a two-year period from initial infestation with varroa to colony decline/death. There were four surviving colonies at the end of the study period, all in the small cell treatment group. There were no significant differences between treatments in the incidence of varroa, varroa FA, colony survival or honey production due to the absence of significant differences between treatments due in large part to wide variability between colonies within treatments. However, trends for the incidence of varroa, and varroa FA, as well as for colony survival and honey production suggest that reduced cell diameter may have a limited impact on varroa and HBTM population dynamics, and on colony performance. The results suggest that cell diameter could be a useful varroa management tools when used as part of an integrated pest management system. These studies further demonstrated that FA can be used to diagnose varroa infestations. Contact: USDA, ARS, HONEY BEE RESE 2000 EAST ALLEN ROAD TUCSON AZ 85719 FAX: (520)670-6493 Email: medley@tucson.ars.ag.gov Approved Date: 1999-07-19 Updated: 1999-08-13 Article 27666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:42:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973800689 nnrp-10:12975 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27666 In article <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com>, Charlie Kroeger writes >The effect of the size of honey bee cells on the rate of infestation by Varroa >Jacobssoni, given at: > >29th International Congress of Apriculture > >Apiacta 1984, pp.62 > >in which they stated the results of their research: > >In Brazil, cell sizes for AHB and EHB when measured were 4.5 to 4.8 mm dia. >for AHB and 5.0 to 5.1 mm. for EHB and that the Varroa infestation rates were >4.8% for the AHB and 11.5% for the EHB's. > >That should give you an answer to your question, i.e 'pretty much.' There are two variables here. Race and size. To answer the question needs information from cells of two different sizes in the two racial groups i.e., two sizes twice over = 4 groups of measurements. Did this paper do this? It doesn't seem likely. -- James Kilty Article 27667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:40:56 -0600 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rfjKtauZGF3lxDoZbcNVWty5cnU9K5e3QuQ93y7t+TU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Nov 2000 22:41:46 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27667 in article Z6fzWMBY4vC6Ewwe@kilty.demon.co.uk, James Kilty at honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk wrote on 11/9/00 1:42 PM: > There are two variables here. Race and size. To answer the question > needs information from cells of two different sizes in the two racial > groups i.e., two sizes twice over = 4 groups of measurements. Did this > paper do this? It doesn't seem likely. THE EFFECT OF THE SIZE OF HONEY BEE CELLS ON THE RATE OF INFESTATION BY VARROA JACOBSONI Apiacta #2, Feb., 1984 D. MESSAGE L. S. GONCALVES BRAZIL Varroa jacobsoni, an ectoparasite mite of Apis, causes serious damage to colonies of A. mellifera while in those of A. cerana, the original host, this is not the case. Koeniger et al. (1981) observed that in A. cerana the mites only reproduce in drone cells, while in A. mellifera there is reproduction in both worker and drone cells. It's possible that the resistence of A. cerena to this mite is due to this biological characteristic. Based on this information and knowing that the cells of workers of Africanized bees are smaller than those of European bees, we examined the infestation rate and reproduction of Varroa in small pieces (+/-300 cells) of Africanized and Italian built combs. The worker combs of Africanized bees had a mean of 4.50 to 4.77 mm and a volume of 0.187 ml, while for Italian bees the values were 5.07 to 5.11 and 0.255. The mean weight of 18-19-day old Africanized worker pupae was 94.6 mg, and their infestation rate was 4.8%, while for Italians the mean weight was 111.7 mg, and 11.5% of the cells were infected. Article 27668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!194.42.224.136!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:53:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973815308 nnrp-12:20428 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27668 In article , Mark writes >I ran across this and found it VERY interesting. It appears that Varroa can >be controlled/eliminated using heat! >http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000007/00/0000070080.html The Russians have been using this treatment for quite a long time. Various designs and protocols have been published in Europe. The reason it is not very widely used is the problem of the amount of work involved in doing the job properly, especially with a lot of hives, though I imagine that with some ingenuity it might be done in a heated room. If anyone comes up with a simple practical protocol based on this will they please post it? -- James Kilty Article 27669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:48:03 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001109194803.28136.00000626@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27669 Drill the hole just under the handhold. 3/4 is fine. Tom Article 27670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brown Substance Splattered on Idaho Identified as Bee Waste Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:02:32 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8ufrnn$16ki$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3A097518.78C001A2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-30.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 973828663 39570 209.130.165.30 (10 Nov 2000 03:57:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2000 03:57:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27670 Odorless? Bee poop stinks! Matthew Pollard wrote in message news:3A097518.78C001A2@uidaho.edu... > Lifted this from the AP this morning. Hehehehee. > > Mystery Solved > Brown Substance Splattered on Idaho Identified as Bee > Waste > > > The Associated Press > M I D D L E T O N, Idaho, Nov. 8 - The mystery > substance that fell from the skies over Meridian, > Middleton and Caldwell during the summer has > been positively identified as bee waste. > The brown and odorless substance splattered homes, > > cars, flowers and plants for about four months, leaving > a > mark on everything it touched. > Officials from the Department of Environmental > Quality > suspected that the material was coming from an insect. > > Prime Conditions for Excess Poop > At two sites tested in Ada and Canyon counties, > researchers found a number of beehives in neighboring > pastures, meaning that large numbers of bees were in > areas hit hard by the brown stuff. > Recent tests conducted at the University of > Idaho's > agricultural extension office made it official. > "Isn't that a kick?" Middleton resident Barbara > Jardine > said. "I'm surprised, but definitely relieved." > Test results show that the harmless material is > comprised mainly of pollen resin, said Michael Toole, > an > environmental science specialist with the Department of > > Environmental Quality. > Residents in Meridian, Middleton and Caldwell are > finally experiencing a reprieve as honeybees hit their > hives > for the winter. > The Treasure Valley's mild winter last year > provided > prime conditions for the bees this summer, leading to > the > excess waste > Article 27671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0035.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:27:43 -0600 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0035.nts-online.net (216.167.131.35) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973834070 1895437 216.167.131.35 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27671 James Kilty muses: >To answer the question >needs information from cells of two different sizes in the two racial >groups i.e., two sizes twice over = 4 groups of measurements. Did this >paper do this? It doesn't seem likely. What's the reason for that? Why not just measure a lot of cells and establish a range of sizes, which it appears they did. I assumed they were measuring natural comb cells, and of course they were. They did say the sizes of cells 'ranged' from 4.5 to 4.8 and 5.0 to 5.1mm respectively. What part of that information is troubling you? I personally don't see that bees screw around much with different cell sizes in the brood area. They have a range of tolerances (they're not after all, machines) as demonstrated by the published research. Besides, that is not the issue here, the issue is the correlation between the smaller cell size and less varroa and larger cell size and more varroa, that's what they are trying to tell us. C.K. - Facts are stupid Ronald Reagan Article 27672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3A0BE22C.C70BB1D2@clinic.net> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:55:24 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie References: <3a0aaec3$0$1594$23c96b10@news.corecomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-1-22.pwm.clinic.net X-Trace: 10 Nov 2000 05:51:46 -0500, dialin-1-22.pwm.clinic.net Lines: 27 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-1-22.pwm.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27672 mbelluso wrote: > > This is the first year I will be wintering a hive. I live about one hour > south of Chicago, IL. I have built a wind break on the north and west side > of my hive and have it off the ground, sitting on concrete (cinder) blocks. > My friend insists that I drill a hole in my upper hive body for an escape if > the snow drifts cover the entrance. However, I'm not so sure. I thought I > read somewhere on this newsgroup that it was not a good idea, but I can't > remember why. Ideas or suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks. mb :-) > > ymbelluso@yahoo.com You do not need to, but it will not hurt if you do. I have overwintered hives with holes and without. If you get a big storm with several feet of drifting snow, not unusual in Maine, you will find that the bottom entrance is usually clear in a short time. I worried about my no hole hives and checked them after the first several storms but found the entrances cleared quickly. I was more worried about ventilation than the bees flying since they will not be going anywhere with the temp down enought to snow. However, make sure you have the inner cover notched to give the hive adequate ventilation. If needed, they can also use it to get out. They will be closer to the inner cover than the bottom board in late winter, early spring, when they have their cleansing flights. Here it is whenever the temp gets in the fifties, often in late Jan early Feb. Bill T Article 27673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie References: <3a0aaec3$0$1594$23c96b10@news.corecomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:28:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 973859173 206.231.24.130 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:26:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:26:13 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27673 There is a better way than drilling holes in your equipment. Most inner covers have a notch cut out of the rim on the short side. When the rim is placed down, and to the front, the perfect winter entrance is created without drilling any holes. If there isn't a notch, make one, 3/8" x 1". This will let out the moisture at the top of the hive, not halfway down the top chamber. In really cold weather, I've seen horizontal icicles protruding from the notch almost one inch. mbelluso wrote: > This is the first year I will be wintering a hive. I live about one hour > south of Chicago, IL. I have built a wind break on the north and west side > of my hive and have it off the ground, sitting on concrete (cinder) blocks. > My friend insists that I drill a hole in my upper hive body for an escape if > the snow drifts cover the entrance. However, I'm not so sure. I thought I > read somewhere on this newsgroup that it was not a good idea, but I can't > remember why. Ideas or suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks. mb :-) > > ymbelluso@yahoo.com Article 27674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A0C0326.69AC5DC9@home.com> From: RICHARD MCCLELLAN Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: neglected hive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:19:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.176.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 973865988 24.13.176.176 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:19:48 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:19:48 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27674 I am an off and on again hobbyist. A few years ago (3?, 4?) i thought I had lost my last hive to Varroa. Planned to restart in the spring with packages and use Apistan this time. Well, I wandered past the hive a couple of days ago. It has bees in it, and they have built a huge external comb structure below the front (the hive is on a stand). Probably 2 ft x 3 ft. The hive has a deep super and a couple of honey supers on it. Obviously healthy bees, but I doubt this external comb is going to make it thru the winter. You can see the bees in between the combs. I assume this is the same colony that is the main hive. Perhaps I put two deeps on top, with the comb in the top one? Just add another super and hope they move into it? I haven't opened the hive to see how much room they have. Will do this weekend, weather permitting. Part of the problem was that the "beeyard" was in a difficult to get to place. I now have a hive by the house (200-300 yds away). I want to move this one to the new location where it is more convenient. Article 27675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!129.240.148.23!uio.no!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.cybercity.dk!not-for-mail From: ".Aktiveringscenter Nordvest" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Leaf cutter bees Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:52:28 +0100 Organization: CyberCity Internet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8ugr4j$266$1@news.cybercity.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: nat1599.lan.cybercity.dk X-Trace: news.cybercity.dk 973860819 2246 212.242.34.70 (10 Nov 2000 12:53:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cybercity.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2000 12:53:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27675 Hi Is there any one who now anything abut leaf cutter bees and pollination of red clover?? ac-nordvest@city.dk Flemming Rasmussen Teacher and scientist. Article 27676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ue1q7$ho7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001109075754.19715.00000116@nso-fs.aol.com> Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0oUO5.1429$9M.93168@brie.direct.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:26:29 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 973869692 204.244.87.23 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:21:32 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:21:32 PST Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27676 I am not trying to discourage you here, this is just food for thought I wonder if melted wax will be as strong as what the bees use which is wax, of course, but also propolis and whatever slumgum is made of. Another point is weight, after the comb becomes bigger... Now, if you change your plan, apart from using the cover whole maybe you could cut the cover along the combs? Or, here is an address for a swarm catching frame http://www.beesource.com/plans/swarmframe.htm Good luck and keep us informed Normand Article 27677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a0aaec3$0$1594$23c96b10@news.corecomm.net> <3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net> Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Lines: 29 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:37:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 973881462 12.72.45.224 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:37:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:37:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27677 Often assumed in this group that an inner cover is universally used. Some of us have embraced the simplicity of the migratory cover. Either way, winter ventilation is essential. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net... > There is a better way than drilling holes in your equipment. Most inner covers > have a notch cut out of the rim on the short side. When the rim is placed down, > and to the front, the perfect winter entrance is created without drilling any > holes. If there isn't a notch, make one, 3/8" x 1". This will let out the > moisture at the top of the hive, not halfway down the top chamber. In really > cold weather, I've seen horizontal icicles protruding from the notch almost one > inch. > Article 27678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:21:54 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8uh0q0$hji$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup53.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 973866624 18034 209.23.15.53 (10 Nov 2000 14:30:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2000 14:30:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27678 Hi all, I am not concerned with race since there are only three races that I will ever be dealing with. Apis mellifera can live in a great range of cell sizes. As the beekeeper I have great control over the size of foundation they live on. So regardless of race does actual cell size( which I have control over) limit varroa populations into an acceptable level of control? Could hygienic bees give even greater control, which is my original question? Clayton Huestis Just want my bees to survive. Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com... > James Kilty muses: > > >To answer the question > >needs information from cells of two different sizes in the two racial > >groups i.e., two sizes twice over = 4 groups of measurements. Did this > >paper do this? It doesn't seem likely. > > What's the reason for that? Why not just measure a lot of cells and establish > a range of sizes, which it appears they did. > > I assumed they were measuring natural comb cells, and of course they were. > They did say the sizes of cells 'ranged' from 4.5 to 4.8 and 5.0 to 5.1mm > respectively. What part of that information is troubling you? > > I personally don't see that bees screw around much with different cell sizes > in the brood area. They have a range of tolerances (they're not after all, > machines) as demonstrated by the published research. > > Besides, that is not the issue here, the issue is the correlation between the > smaller cell size and less varroa and larger cell size and more varroa, that's > what they are trying to tell us. > > C.K. > > - > Facts are stupid > > Ronald Reagan > > Article 27679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RICHARD MCCLELLAN Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:29:53 +0000 Message-ID: <7G87psARCDD6Ew+b@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <3A0C0326.69AC5DC9@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973885858 nnrp-08:4377 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27679 In article <3A0C0326.69AC5DC9@home.com>, RICHARD MCCLELLAN writes >I assume this is the same colony that is the main hive. Perhaps I put >two deeps on top, with the comb in the top one? Just add another super >and hope they move into it? I haven't opened the hive to see how much >room they have. Will do this weekend, weather permitting. Bees can swarm with a queen that cannot fly - return to mum who is under the hive - so they make comb there. I have seen this twice and heard other stories about this. If there are bees above, why not change the floor of the upper one, leaving it where it is and remove the open comb using the floor as the roof and place it on a hive body which you remove 3 miles or more away once the bees have settled down in the late afternoon or are otherwise not flying. Your floor sign may require a bit of carpentry. Or just make up a 2-colony stack there. Two people working should do the job quietly. Leave it to spring to sort out. >Part of the problem was that the "beeyard" was in a difficult to get to >place. I now have a hive by the house (200-300 yds away). I want to >move this one to the new location where it is more convenient. Move both colonies 3 miles - back next spring. -- James Kilty Article 27680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A0C54BB.8C073E75@home.com> From: Tara Voda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What happened with the bears? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:04:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.23.33.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.md.home.com 973886667 24.23.33.88 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:04:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:04:27 PST Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27680 Hi, This is the first time I've read this newsgroup. What eventually happened with the bears? Did the electric fence get put up yet? Is it working? Was the bait bacon or sardines? Just too curious. Tara Article 27681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-3.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RICHARD MCCLELLAN Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:15:59 -0700 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8uhl1m$1tpot$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A0C0326.69AC5DC9@home.com> <7G87psARCDD6Ew+b@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-3.internode.net (198.161.229.195) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 973887351 2025245 198.161.229.195 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27681 > >Part of the problem was that the "beeyard" was in a difficult to get to > >place. I now have a hive by the house (200-300 yds away). I want to > >move this one to the new location where it is more convenient. > Move both colonies 3 miles - back next spring. That's the hard way, but it works. The easy way?... Just confine them to the hive for three days or more before or after moving. A dark tarpaulin over the hive can work as long as they can breathe. Leaving them in a dark garage or basement for a few days can work too, but it must be TOTALLY dark -- or they will crawl and/or fly Screening the hive can work as long as the weather is cool, but there is a risk of suffocation if it is done incorrectly. allen Article 27682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:09:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8uhklp$i10$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.146.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Nov 10 20:09:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {LMFS - Owego} (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.91.146.35 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27682 We bought a used uncapping plane and love it. Works better than the knife or scrapper we used the year before. I wish it were a bit wider so you could uncap entire frame(medium) in one pass. Also this one does not have a thermostat so we must turn it off frequently to avoid overheating. Coop In article <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com>, Jesse Hunter wrote: > Is there a better way of scraping the cappings for extraction. I > currently use on of those plastic capping scratchers sold from > Dadant. Its kind of a pain in the A. I am not very good a > getting a nice even scrape and it take me several minutes to > scratch one one frame. Are the heated knives that much easier to > use? I also recall seeing a "plane" type of capping remover in a > book but I have never seen it offered in a catalog. Does any one > know about these? I typically have 100-150 frames to extract in a > given year. > > Thanks > Jesse > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recomended Books ? Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Nov 2000 23:06:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001110180646.02491.00000226@nso-fd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27683 I'm new to beekeeping. What books would you recomend? Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:29:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973900206 nnrp-14:2875 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 48 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27684 In article , Barry Birkey writes >THE EFFECT OF THE SIZE OF HONEY BEE CELLS ON THE RATE >OF INFESTATION BY VARROA JACOBSONI > >Apiacta #2, Feb., 1984 > >D. MESSAGE >L. S. GONCALVES >BRAZIL > >Varroa jacobsoni, an ectoparasite mite of Apis, causes serious damage to >colonies of A. mellifera while in those of A. cerana, the original host, >this is not the case. Koeniger et al. (1981) observed that in A. cerana the >mites only reproduce in drone cells, while in A. mellifera there is >reproduction in both worker and drone cells. It's possible that the >resistence of A. cerena to this mite is due to this biological >characteristic. Note the hypothesis is about breeding in drone cells versus in both cells. >Based on this information and knowing that the cells of workers of >Africanized bees are smaller than those of European bees, we examined the >infestation rate and reproduction of Varroa in small pieces (+/-300 cells) >of Africanized and Italian built combs. > >The worker combs of Africanized bees had a mean of 4.50 to 4.77 mm and a >volume of 0.187 ml, while for Italian bees the values were 5.07 to 5.11 and >0.255. > >The mean weight of 18-19-day old Africanized worker pupae was 94.6 mg, and >their infestation rate was 4.8%, while for Italians the mean weight was >111.7 mg, and 11.5% of the cells were infected. So the results shown here demonstrate the quoted hypothesis in part only. If infestation rate is a measure of reproduction then it is somewhat less in the worker cells of AHB than Italians. It is not zero. On the measure of reproduction, I have had a posting (published in ABJ) showing 0.9 reproduction at 35C and 2.4 at 33C regardless of % varroa. This means that bees that keep the brood temperature high cut the reproduction of varroa in the brood. Nothing is quoted here to support the hypothesis of a connection with cell size. I will have to compare it with some other data I was given earlier and will take some time to look it out. Thank you for the trouble you have taken to get me the information. I will have to get some skill in searching archives. -- James Kilty Article 27685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:19:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 973900204 nnrp-14:2875 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27685 In article <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com>, Charlie Kroeger writes >James Kilty muses: > >>To answer the question >>needs information from cells of two different sizes in the two racial >>groups i.e., two sizes twice over = 4 groups of measurements. Did this >>paper do this? It doesn't seem likely. > >What's the reason for that? It is because of the number of variables - crudely: race and cell size. In this case they are actually connected, which is why I said "It doesn't seem likely". > Why not just measure a lot of cells and establish >a range of sizes, which it appears they did. If data could be plotted which had a range which overlapped and a survival index or correlating measurement such as mite fall could be drawn - it *might* show a trend sufficient to say there was a strong relationship. Even so, the results would be such that without seriously overlapping cell sizes you could probably draw any line through the data you wanted and it would be a fantasy graph. >I assumed they were measuring natural comb cells, and of course they were. >They did say the sizes of cells 'ranged' from 4.5 to 4.8 and 5.0 to 5.1mm >respectively. What part of that information is troubling you? None. I have no trouble at all. >I personally don't see that bees screw around much with different cell sizes >in the brood area. They have a range of tolerances (they're not after all, >machines) as demonstrated by the published research. Precisely the point. It could be inappropriate to adjust the size of the cells just to force an experiment - but unfortunately that would be needed to draw the conclusion that it was cell size alone which made the difference. What the research seems to prove is that one race of bees controls and survives varroa better than another. The number of variables here is rather large and to do science normally involves keeping one variable constant. >Besides, that is not the issue here, the issue is the correlation between the >smaller cell size and less varroa and larger cell size and more varroa, that's >what they are trying to tell us. The standard example to illustrate the problem of drawing conclusions from correlation alone is the strong positive one between intelligence as measured in an intelligence test and shoe size. Intelligence does increase with shoe size over the population as a whole. But shoe size is also correlated with age. If you correct for this, and factor out age as a variable, there is no longer any correlation. In other words, within an age group, intelligence does not increase with shoe size. This is a harder research question >Facts are stupid > >Ronald Reagan Pity about the connection. -- James Kilty Article 27686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leaf cutter bees Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Nov 2000 02:11:24 GMT References: <8ugr4j$266$1@news.cybercity.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001110211124.28172.00000863@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27686 From: ".Aktiveringscenter Nordvest" ac-nordvest@city.dk >Is there any one who now anything abut leaf cutter bees and pollination of >red clover?? >ac-nordvest@city.dk Go to the pollination page below and check alternative pollinators. You'll find many links to leaf cutter (Megachilid) bee information. I don't recall anything specifically about red clover, but you should be able to contact the folks who work with them. Karen Strickler, or Phil Torchio, or several other solitary bee specialists could probably help. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A0CC847.34EE7E33@flash.net> From: Joe Esposito X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? References: <8ue1q7$ho7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001109075754.19715.00000116@nso-fs.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:19:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.254.174.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 973916399 209.254.174.169 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:19:59 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:19:59 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27687 Sounds like a fiberglass lid, by the way you described the gridwork. How about gently and evenly heating the lid with a torch or heat gun and hope that gravity holds the comb down while you gently pull off the lid. Then mount the comb upside-down in the glass case. Wayne Sallee wrote: > In article <8ue1q7$ho7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com writes: > > > Hi Wayne, > > Coincidentally I was working on the same thing yesterday with a > >water meter lid. Attaching the comb to something else would be mighty > >tricky. In theory it should work but you would have a tough time > >exactly duplicating what the bees have now. > > Better I think to just build the glass box using the utility box > >lid as a cover. You should be able to get a spare lid from the utility > >company because they will be glad to have the bees removed. > > Yea I had though about doing that, especialy since the lid is broken anyway, > and it's because it was broken that the bees got in there in the first place, > but then, the box is broken too, so getting a new lid for it would not make it > fit any better. The box is broken wors than the lid. It's a utility box for one > of the lights in the church parking lot. It's not owned by the city. And then > the other thing is that I realy don't want that as the lid for the bee hive. > > And yea I have figured that it might not come off in one piece, especialy since > the lid has the 1 1/2 inch cubed grid on the underside. But I should be able to > arange the pieces in a favorable maner, I think :-) Hopefully the bees won't > get too upset with me. I wonder if I can do it without any protective clothing. > The bees so far have been quite gental. > > So I figure I will give the bees a few more days to get used to their new > environment, and then put them on the glass lid. That reminds me, I still > haven't gotten the handle put on the lid yet. Got to get that done :-) > > Think I should try to remove some of the huney from the comb where it would be > bonded? I thik trying to remove some of the huney at the bonding surface would > probably be more trouble than it's worth. Any thoughts? > > Wayne Sallee > http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A0D04E9.D25B0FB6@interact.net.au> From: Barry Metz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEES & LAVENDER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:35:54 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 973931779 210.215.13.178 (Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:36:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:36:19 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:36:19 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27688 Hello, Can anyone please tell me the stocking rate ( Hives/acre or hectare) on Lavender to achieve the 80 - 180 kg yield/hectare that is claimed. Thanks Barry Metz Article 27689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A0D0939.AB52CD8C@bellsouth.net> From: Feenix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> <8uhklp$i10$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:54:17 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.148.28 X-Trace: news4.atl 973932858 66.20.148.28 (Sat, 11 Nov 2000 03:54:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 03:54:18 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27689 I know of a thermostat for soldering irons that go between the wall and the plug. This might help keep it cooler so it won't over heat. James td64008@link.com wrote: > We bought a used uncapping plane and love it. Works better than the > knife or scrapper we used the year before. I wish it were a bit wider > so you could uncap entire frame(medium) in one pass. Also this one does > not have a thermostat so we must turn it off frequently to avoid > overheating. > > Coop > > In article <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com>, > Jesse Hunter wrote: > > Is there a better way of scraping the cappings for extraction. I > > currently use on of those plastic capping scratchers sold from > > Dadant. Its kind of a pain in the A. I am not very good a > > getting a nice even scrape and it take me several minutes to > > scratch one one frame. Are the heated knives that much easier to > > use? I also recall seeing a "plane" type of capping remover in a > > book but I have never seen it offered in a catalog. Does any one > > know about these? I typically have 100-150 frames to extract in a > > given year. > > > > Thanks > > Jesse > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: Subject: Re: Paint Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:07:49 -0800 Lines: 38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust27.tnt11.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.31.27 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27696 Thanks All. I appreciate your input. I'm hoping with more surfaces painted I'll end up with a little less propolis (or it will be easier to clean up), these girls sure collect a ton. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "J & N F." wrote in message news:Oqa$VqPSAHA.326@cpmsnbbsa09... > Hi< > Do you guys paint the bottom boards in your hives (one or both sides)? I > usually only paint the boxes & tops but wondered if it would be a good idea to > paint the bottom boards when I replace them with new ones or if there was some > reason they shouldn't be painted. > Thanks, > Niki > > -- > > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > Article 27697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:09:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 63 Message-ID: <8um4pp$pgj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A0CC847.34EE7E33@flash.net> <20001111180858.19715.00000175@nso-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.205.74 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 12 13:09:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.205.74 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27697 Wayne, all I can say is that I wish I could be there to watch you perform this risky operation. Please let us know what happens. The wee bit more space is what I was concerned about in my first post. Since you will not be able to replace the comb exactly as they have it now, the bees may leave and find a new home. Good luck! Herb In article <20001111180858.19715.00000175@nso-fs.aol.com>, waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) wrote: > In article <3A0CC847.34EE7E33@flash.net>, Joe Esposito > writes: > > >Sounds like a fiberglass lid, by the way you described the gridwork. How > >about > >gently and evenly heating the lid with a torch or heat gun and hope that > >gravity > >holds the comb down while you gently pull off the lid. Then mount the comb > >upside-down in the glass case. > > No it's plastic. How would the bees react to such heat? > > I was looking at it a little closer today. I lifted the lid up, and turned it > upside down. The bees were not to badly disturbed by this, though it was cold > thismorning when I did it. > > Looks like I will just have to carfully remove the comb one piece at a time. > Looks like there is about 4 seperate combs. I'm planning on doing it Monday. I > figure I'll remove a comb, trim it if needed to get a good bond to the glass, > apply some hot beeswax to the glass, and apply the comb, then go to the next > comb. I am going to try to do this with the bees on it, and wearing no > protection. Hopfully the bees won't get too upset. looks like it will be a > tedious task. Each comb is quite close to the next. I don't want the combs to > be too close together when I put them of the glass, so I am going to leave a > wee bit more space between the combs than there is originaly. I am guessing > that the queen is probably somewhere in the center of it all. > > Wayne Sallee > http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recomended Books ? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:33:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8umgpk$1jn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8uk52p$cln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001111180846.19715.00000174@nso-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.148 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 12 16:33:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.148 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27698 In article <20001111180846.19715.00000174@nso-fs.aol.com>, waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) wrote: > Ok thanks. > > Any recomended places to purchase such books? > > You can get these and many others in the bee supply catalogs.I will list a few who will send you a free catalog. > > A.I. Root Company 800-289-7668 Dadant and Sons 217-847-3324 Walter kelley Co. 270-242-2012 Glorybee 541-689-0913 Mann Lake Supply 800-880-7694 > >There are other good suppliers and this small list is just a sample. > If you want to keep up with the latest you should subscribe to American Bee Journal(from Dadants) and Gleanings(from A.I.Root Co.) although to REALLY get the latest stay tuned to the internet! > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are the FAQs of this newsgroup? Date: 12 Nov 2000 12:29:28 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8umk1o$jdl$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27699 In article , homer@dmail.it wrote: >Sorry for my bad english >I'm italian Hi. The FAQ is out of date but you can read it and other bee stuff at: http://www.ibiblio.org/bees Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 27700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:12:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <8ummi6$5t1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.213.67 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 12 18:12:25 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 6.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.213.67 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27700 In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article , Mark > writes > >I ran across this and found it VERY interesting. It appears that Varroa can > >be controlled/eliminated using heat! > >http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000007/00/0000070080.html > The Russians have been using this treatment for quite a long time. > Various designs and protocols have been published in Europe. The reason > it is not very widely used is the problem of the amount of work involved > in doing the job properly, especially with a lot of hives, though I > imagine that with some ingenuity it might be done in a heated room. Believe me if heat will do it my colonies should be mite free after the Summer we just had here in my part of the country- repbees > If anyone comes up with a simple practical protocol based on this will > they please post it? Believe me if heat will do it my colonies should be totaly free of mites after the Summer we just had in my part of the country- > -- > James Kilty > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed.nntp.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!radon.golden.net!newsfeed2.golden.net!not-for-mail From: Ken Coyle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Crest/Patch Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:54:47 -0400 Organization: Golden Triangle Online Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3A0F49BA.E3D5357D@golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as53-07-78.cas-kit.golden.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cougar.golden.net 974083927 4375 206.172.57.78 (13 Nov 2000 02:52:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@golden.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2000 02:52:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27701 I have had made up an seven colour embroidered "I Love Honey" crest/patch. They are for sale. To see a picture and pricing visit http://home.golden.net/~coyle/crest/honeycrest.html Article 27702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!telenews.teleline.es!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A1021EB.E7AAA62E@islapro.com> From: islapro Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES & LAVENDER References: <3A0D04E9.D25B0FB6@interact.net.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------569CA11B12FBFD2C80EB3C19" Lines: 65 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:19:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.193 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@company.com X-Trace: telenews.teleline.es 974135970 212.166.159.193 (Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:19:30 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:19:30 MET Organization: Typhoon Authentication Testing Club Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27702 --------------569CA11B12FBFD2C80EB3C19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in Mallorca, Spain - Mediterranean climate when the Lavander is for comercial harvest (about 6 acres) and it last more than 45 days, the rate of stocking is about 3 pounds per day per hive (I only have 5 hives, and are for botanical purposes). The species that we cultivate is Lavandula dentata L. and Lavandula agustifolia Miller. The floweing normally start between the 23/30 of July and it ends the 10-15 of September To the farmer does not make a difference to collect the flower inmediately or wait for the end the flowering period, but to you it realy makes a difference since they will feed (forage ?) for 45 days in the same flower, and very important details is that they can collect a "full fly" at a single plant since they have several flowers. Best wishes Jose Matas. islapro@islapro.com http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/ --------------569CA11B12FBFD2C80EB3C19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in Mallorca, Spain - Mediterranean climate when the Lavander is for comercial harvest
(about 6 acres) and it last more than 45 days, the rate of stocking is about 3 pounds per day per hive
(I only have 5 hives, and are for botanical purposes).

The species that we cultivate is  Lavandula dentata L. and Lavandula agustifolia Miller.

The floweing normally start between the 23/30 of July  and it ends the 10-15 of September

To the farmer does not make a difference to collect the flower inmediately or wait for the end
the flowering period, but to you it realy makes a difference since they will feed (forage ?) for 45 days in the same flower, and very important details is that they can collect a "full fly" at a single plant since they have
several flowers.

Best wishes

Jose Matas.

islapro@islapro.com

http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/

  --------------569CA11B12FBFD2C80EB3C19-- Article 27703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Nov 2000 18:19:12 GMT References: <8um4pp$pgj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001113131912.19715.00000234@nso-fs.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27703 Well I started at it this morning. It was still cool, and things went quite smooth, but then as it started warming up, they became just too active, and agressive. So I've stoped about half way through, and will try to finish it up this evening. As most things go, it's taking longer than I had anticipated. I have not seen the queen yet, but I think I have seen very close to where she is because the bees are clumped, and hanging on to each other in the part of the hive where I've gotten to. She is probably right there under the mass of bees. Of course If I had a bee suite it would make it easyer :-) But I'll eventualy get it. I just hope that the combs hold when I turn it upside down. Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt5-port-225.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeGadgets Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:07:09 -0700 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8uphmj$2ln2l$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt5-port-225.dial.telus.net (161.184.52.225) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974146068 2808917 161.184.52.225 (16 [58605]) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27704 BeeGadgets is a mailing list that discusses gadgets and telemetry for beekeeping. It has very little traffic, but 143 members at present. The most recent post is a picture of a double Quebec bee escape board. (The list permits pictures of equipment). To subscribe: write a blank email to BeeGadgets-subscribe@onelist.com To lurk or look at what has been posted in the past, go to http://www.egroups.com/group/BeeGadgets allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ (My web editor is still broken) Article 27705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail From: Julie Subject: Re: BEE problem in Arizona X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e908704.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A106636.12FBEBEE@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <8PWP5.14281$Gd7.795607@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:07:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.home.repair:217670 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27705 Do any of you in the beekeeping newsgroup know how to answer this? It was originally posted in alt.home.repair. Jeremy f wrote: > > Help. For 2 weeks I have had a swarm of bees around my compost bin. I > called a Bee removal company and they told me to wait a few weeks if they > weren't gone to call them back. Well there not gone. Worse than ever. > > My question. Won't bees die when it gets colder out? Last night got to be > about 40....I was thinking they might be dead. Nope. Do I fork out $95 to > have them removed? > We are concerned because Arizona is having more and more problems with > Africanized bees. Article 27706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Scraper Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 23:14:34 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8uo68b$8c5$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-148.hydrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 974101579 8581 62.136.0.148 (13 Nov 2000 07:46:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2000 07:46:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27706 I use a cold knife for uncapping (one of those long thin ham knives) and keep a stainless steel hive tool on the uncapping tank to remove any low cappings that the knife misses. I find that the hook of the hive tool works very well - in fact I can uncap almost a quickly just using the hive tool. "Jesse Hunter" wrote in message news:3A0810B0.9034F03E@bms.com... > Is there a better way of scraping the cappings for extraction. I > currently use on of those plastic capping scratchers sold from > Dadant. Its kind of a pain in the A. I am not very good a > getting a nice even scrape and it take me several minutes to > scratch one one frame. Are the heated knives that much easier to > use? I also recall seeing a "plane" type of capping remover in a > book but I have never seen it offered in a catalog. Does any one > know about these? I typically have 100-150 frames to extract in a > given year. > > Thanks > Jesse > > Article 27707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mike.north@norwebtelecom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Not read: Deja.Com Daily Summary: sci.agriculture.beekeeping 1/1 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 8:29:16 +0000 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com X-Mailer: TFS Secure Messaging /222000000/222041425/222002259/222100530/ X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6zJU2aK6jnMrZDMwhEdeZjM?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27707 Your message was not read by:NORTH MIKE @ COMMS1/Norweb Telecom at:Mon, 13 Nov 2000 06:59:10 UT ************************************************************************ Norweb Telecom Ltd Hathersage Road Chorlton-on-Medlock Manchester M13 0EH Switchboard number : 0161 609 7000. 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Article 27709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Nov 2000 02:46:02 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Subject: top bar hives Message-ID: <20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27709 Anybody have any interesting comments about the top bar hive movement? Al Article 27710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Nov 2000 03:36:11 GMT References: <20001113131912.19715.00000234@nso-fs.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Message-ID: <20001113223611.29080.00000279@nso-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27710 I got back at it tonight, but the bees keept geting in the way when I would try to add some hot wax. Then the newly placed comb colapsed the previosly hot wax attached combs, so I decided that I had waisted enough time, and just put the combs in the glass hive at the botom of the hive, and put the glass lid on top without any combs attached. Maybe I should have just done that in the first place :-) All of the combs were for honey. I saw no brood combs. Is this normal for a swarm? I never did see the queen. She may have been in there under all of the bees. Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A10B82B.4D93DC86@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hives References: <20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:57:31 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 974174052 208.235.28.78 (Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:54:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:54:12 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27711 Jajwuth wrote: > > Anybody have any interesting comments about the top bar hive movement? Don't move them. AL Article 27712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!195.161.0.180!newsfeed.rt.ru!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.relcom.ru!news.vrn.ru!not-for-mail From: "Oleg B. Moskalev" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Attention!!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C04DB9.AA78B5E0-- Article 27713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeremy f" Newsgroups: alt.home.repair,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8PWP5.14281$Gd7.795607@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A106636.12FBEBEE@NOTaol.com> Subject: Re: BEE problem in Arizona Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:41:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.221.58.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 974205717 24.221.58.137 (Tue, 14 Nov 2000 04:41:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 04:41:57 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.home.repair:217789 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27713 Thanks Julie. Wasn't really sure were to post this. "Julie" wrote in message news:3A106636.12FBEBEE@NOTaol.com... > Do any of you in the beekeeping newsgroup know how to answer this? It > was originally posted in alt.home.repair. > > Jeremy f wrote: > > > > Help. For 2 weeks I have had a swarm of bees around my compost bin. I > > called a Bee removal company and they told me to wait a few weeks if they > > weren't gone to call them back. Well there not gone. Worse than ever. > > > > My question. Won't bees die when it gets colder out? Last night got to be > > about 40....I was thinking they might be dead. Nope. Do I fork out $95 to > > have them removed? > > We are concerned because Arizona is having more and more problems with > > Africanized bees. > Article 27714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:32:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.166.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 974226773 209.30.166.62 (Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:32:53 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:32:53 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27714 I think that it is growing. I would reccomend that a person get a year's beekeeping experience under their belt with a standard Langstroth hive (mainly so that they can get advice from more experienced beekeepers whose experience tends to be more Langstroth hive oriented). Then, once they have this experience they can move to a top bar hive. I started with a TBH and found out the hard way. See a description of my experiences at: What I learned = http://beetalk.tripod.com/lessons.htm My daily log = http://beetalk.tripod.com/log.htm I will say that working with the bees was much easier in a TBH than it has been in a Langstroth hive. The bees dont seem to get very upset when only one bar "frame" at a time is removed. Since mine was an observation TBH, it was easy to actually see what is going on in the hive. Jajwuth wrote in message news:20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com... > Anybody have any interesting comments about the top bar hive movement? > Al Article 27715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Nov 2000 21:35:16 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Subject: Re: top bar hives Message-ID: <20001114163516.06609.00001514@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27715 It would be nice if they bred a good bee for top bar hive enthusiasts. Al Article 27716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8urk34$l70$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Re: queen rearing Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:57:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 974253432 209.212.62.57 (Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:57:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:57:12 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27716 You won't find this information anywhere, I know, years ago I spent a deal of time looking. You need to bear a number of points in mind, feral hives can make or break all your plans. The amount of hives selected will depend on how many hives you intend to re-queen in one year. A bit of a chicken and egg situation. Finally, you should bear in mind, after 4-5 generations the relationship to the original queen would be about 4th cousin. In human terms that would amount to an ok mating, and not close enough to cause in-breeding. Gets complicated, doesn't it? I did read somewhere that a 10 line diversity is necessary to maintain 10 years breeding, But with that I don't believe it took into account the spread of genes caused by generation changes. Comments? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "huestis" wrote in message news:8urk34$l70$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > Hi all, > > Planning to rear my own queens next season. There are several questions I > haven't been able to find in any books. How many breeder queens would be > needed to maintain a 100 to 200 colony operation to avoid inbreeding? What > % of the operation should be requeened each year all, 75%, 60%, ect. to > maintain a divers drone population unrelated to the queen mothers? In > subsequent years should the new breeders be selected from the original > queens daughters or entirely new queens? Thanks. > > Clayton Huestis > Crown Point, NY > > Article 27717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hdwain@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are the FAQs of this newsgroup? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:18:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8uso8a$32k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8umk1o$jdl$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.126.254.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 14 16:58:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.126.254.173 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27717 In article <8umk1o$jdl$1@saltmine.radix.net>, adamf@radix.net wrote: > In article , > homer@dmail.it wrote: > >Sorry for my bad english > >I'm italian > > Hi. > The FAQ is out of date but you can read it and other bee stuff at: > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001114163516.06609.00001514@ng-fz1.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:48:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 974252884 209.212.62.57 (Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:48:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:48:04 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27718 Explaination, please. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jajwuth" wrote in message news:20001114163516.06609.00001514@ng-fz1.aol.com... > It would be nice if they bred a good bee for top bar hive enthusiasts. > Al Article 27720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen rearing Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:52:18 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8urk34$l70$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup6.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 974214052 21728 209.23.15.6 (14 Nov 2000 15:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:00:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27720 Hi all, Planning to rear my own queens next season. There are several questions I haven't been able to find in any books. How many breeder queens would be needed to maintain a 100 to 200 colony operation to avoid inbreeding? What % of the operation should be requeened each year all, 75%, 60%, ect. to maintain a divers drone population unrelated to the queen mothers? In subsequent years should the new breeders be selected from the original queens daughters or entirely new queens? Thanks. Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY Article 27721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001114163516.06609.00001514@ng-fz1.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:48:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.161.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 974299683 209.30.161.54 (Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:48:03 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:48:03 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27721 I'm not sure what Al means but I have used both Midnite and Starline bees in my TBH. They both seemed to like it just fine and were extremely gentle. I worked the bees all summer in just my cut-off jeans! In fact, I hope to use Midnites in my TBH again in the spring of 2001. Robert Jajwuth wrote in message news:20001114163516.06609.00001514@ng-fz1.aol.com... > It would be nice if they bred a good bee for top bar hive enthusiasts. > Al Article 27722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com> <20001115064116.07205.00000736@ng-mc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:42:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.161.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 974299365 209.30.161.54 (Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:42:45 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:42:45 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27722 Kevin, I'm not sure why that would make a TBH illegal. All my "frames" (the top bars) are removable. When they are removed it is very easy to see into the hive body (box without a top). I'm not sure why one would need to invert a top bar to inspect it. Couldn'y one just hold it up higher and look at it from underneath as I do? What am I missing that would deem TBH's illegal in NC? Robert Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:20001115064116.07205.00000736@ng-mc1.aol.com... > >Anybody have any interesting comments about the top bar hive movement? > >Al > > > > technically in NC they are illegal > Law states that hives shall be constructed so that frames are removeable so > that inspection can be conducted. > > ever try to invert a tbh frame ? > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 27723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:59:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.6.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 974307598 209.245.6.238 (Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:59:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:59:58 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27723 Has anyone dipped a fair amount of woodenware and found a good design for heating wax to 180'F degrees? We have some 200-400 deeps purchased with AFB suspected influence that needs corrected this winter but haven't found a good way to safely control the wax temperature in our proposed 'dipping tank'. Exposed flame such as a propane space heater directed onto the tank? Open fire stoked with charcoal? Hot water piped around the tank stemming from a nearby water heater? The dipping tank will be an old cast iron honey sump which we'll add 1-2' of steel on the sides to keep the wax from splashing over. Safety first, cost of energy second. I would prefer to use electricity or hot water to heat this wax rather than flame since I understand the wax can catch on fire - unless others have used methods of open flame and found it safe. Thanks in advance of your advice. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8()}}} "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA Article 27724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0516.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:55:23 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0516.nts-online.net (216.167.133.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974318123 3139483 216.167.133.6 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27724 >Intelligence does >increase with shoe size over the population as a whole. But shoe size is >also correlated with age. If you correct for this, and factor out age as >a variable, there is no longer any correlation. In other words, within >an age group, intelligence does not increase with shoe size. See hear James, with all due respect, I think nonetheless, you have a bright future working for a major energy company explaining why their product's contribution to excessive carbon emissions has no effect on so called global warming. C.K. Article 27725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0516.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:06:31 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0516.nts-online.net (216.167.133.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974318790 2912852 216.167.133.6 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27725 > All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by >holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. No need to worry then about varroa mites in West Texas. We had this year alone more than 5 weeks of temperatures over 95F and several days of 108F and that's with an altitude of 3600ft. The varroa are still here. Maybe if one added a little smoke with that heat it would help. C.K. Article 27726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Message-ID: <3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 4 X-Trace: e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com 974321305 207.91.44.54 (Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:48:25 EST) X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:48:25 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:48:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27726 >> All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by >>holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. If this were true there would be no varroa in Nebraska Article 27727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A12F73F.B180835C@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hives References: <20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com> <20001115064116.07205.00000736@ng-mc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:51:11 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 974321438 209.248.4.145 (Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:50:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:50:38 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27727 Kevin may be thinking of something along the lines of a skep, which in IL would also be illegal. As Robert points out, the bars of a TBH with comb attached, are removable to allow inspection and harvesting. If handled carefully, the bar with comb attached, can be inverted, although I personally have not found a good reason to do so. AL Robert Talk wrote: > > Kevin, > > I'm not sure why that would make a TBH illegal. All my "frames" (the top > bars) are removable. When they are removed it is very easy to see into the > hive body (box without a top). I'm not sure why one would need to invert a > top bar to inspect it. Couldn'y one just hold it up higher and look at it > from underneath as I do? > > What am I missing that would deem TBH's illegal in NC? > > Robert > > Hk1BeeMan wrote in message > news:20001115064116.07205.00000736@ng-mc1.aol.com... > > >Anybody have any interesting comments about the top bar hive movement? > > >Al > > > > > > > technically in NC they are illegal > > Law states that hives shall be constructed so that frames are removeable > so > > that inspection can be conducted. > > > > ever try to invert a tbh frame ? > > > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Article 27728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:18:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.44.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 974326696 12.72.44.139 (Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:18:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:18:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27728 But we are talking about internal temperatures here. It doesn't matter if it was 120 deg F for the entire summer in Nebraska as long as the colony was able to maintain their normal internal temperature. There are a lot of places in the world where the temperature is unsuitable to humans but are nonetheless inhabited since we can regulate indoor temperatures. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message news:3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com... > >> All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by > >>holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. > > If this were true there would be no varroa in Nebraska Article 27729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!atl1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8ZDQ5.7066$%j3.59353@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:18:44 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-mo3JGn+yxboa8BOSBWkNf2pYthxxXqx9ceSQO73HgGbObBMAL9dgRFAW/DrUCTYNvG9kDOmg1zrPXB3!89q8T46lIVtTDph8dpfhcZWo X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:17:09 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27729 All of you missed the point! The article states ". Heat did not kill the mites but caused them to drop through the screen of the cage and onto a trap below. All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days." Once the mites are off the bees and drop onto a trap below, they can then be killed before the temp. goes down and they return to the bees. Mark "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message news:3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com... > >> All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by > >>holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. > > If this were true there would be no varroa in Nebraska Article 27730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Nov 2000 11:41:16 GMT References: <20001113214602.02740.00001301@ng-cm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: top bar hives Message-ID: <20001115064116.07205.00000736@ng-mc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27730 >Anybody have any interesting comments about the top bar hive movement? >Al > technically in NC they are illegal Law states that hives shall be constructed so that frames are removeable so that inspection can be conducted. ever try to invert a tbh frame ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 27731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best West Texas Bees? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8CEQ5.14734$wW2.478156@news1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:02:28 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-bxHUDtc9nJh9ceaZubKAfCwG+T6k9yJCopGX1ZzK9Z7iyd3rrpcCC3B0hdnjDM+aNN9Qt8v9J6MIGDu!IzCgGltQ6hrPIsCYTC43Q5y6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:02:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27731 I'd like to know which type of bee is best suited for west Texas - Midland, Odessa area (hot, dry, windy, with miles and miles of nothing but pasture and cotton fields - not irrigated). To me it looks like a toss-up between the All-American (Italians from R. Weaver in Navasota, TX.), and the Buckfast. Comment? Suggestions? Thanks Mark Article 27732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!torn!sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca!newsfeed.unb.ca!news.thezone.net!not-for-mail From: Gerry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: !!Read This It Could Change Your Life!! 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Article 27733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Nov 2000 01:08:35 GMT References: <3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Message-ID: <20001115200835.09358.00001126@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27733 >There is a better way than drilling holes in your equipment. Most inner >covers >have a notch cut out of the rim on the short side. When the rim is placed >down, >and to the front, the perfect winter entrance is created without drilling any >holes. If there isn't a notch, make one, 3/8" x 1". This will let out the >moisture at the top of the hive, not halfway down the top chamber. In really >cold weather, I've seen horizontal icicles protruding from the notch almost >one >inch. Won't the heat ecape??? Article 27734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Nov 2000 00:53:15 GMT References: <8ubmn4$ied$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Paint Message-ID: <20001115195315.09358.00001124@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27734 > >I have used exterior grade paint on both sides of my bottom boards >(painted with exterior primer first) have never noticed any problems. > Yeah, Same here also add a Mildewcide Additive which help proven Mildew Control. U get those at Walmart. Article 27735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: amrf7@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: please help me in this situation Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:05:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8uvfd8$al0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.252.237.136 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Nov 16 02:05:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.252.237.136 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27735 I have a problem I want somebody to advice me about it, we are Egyptian company, we have about 170 ton from bee honey which is about to corrupt, its production date is 1 year ago, about 30 % of it is already corrupted, its cost to me is 1.85 U$, I want you to advice me with an idea to get use of it, idea to keep it live longer, or market idea to sell it faster Ashraf Fouad Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt4-port-577.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: please help me in this situation Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:39:32 -0700 Lines: 98 Message-ID: <3A137314.8012CFA7@internode.net> References: <8uvfd8$al0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt4-port-577.dial.telus.net (161.184.51.69) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974353178 3114451 161.184.51.69 (16 [58605]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27736 Hi I assume you mean by 'corrupted' that the honey is fermenting into alcohol. If it was stored at temperatures under 25 degrees Celsius, that usually means that the honey was a bit high in moisture when it was placed in containers. If so, it may not have met the standards of the exporting country and you might have some recourse to the seller. But, then again, maybe the honey was produced someplace without standards or by your own company -- or perhaps the damage is due to high storage temperatures. In that case you need to salvage what you can. In any case, you have the responsibility to ensure that no more harm comes to the product while it is in your care. If the honey met the proper moisture standards originally, a likely cause of spoilage is that during storage -- particularly in a warm or hot place -- honey will often separate into two parts. If that happens, then the thinner and uppermost is vulnerable to fermenting. (Stored honey should be monitored regularly to get early warning of this happening). If separation is what happened, the damage may be confined to the top of the containers and the bottom honey may be fine. You might be able to skim off the damaged portion and save the rest since the fermented part is lighter and floats up to the top. Often such damage is just on the surface and looks much worse than it actually is when you dig down and see what is below. Your local authorities may have regulations on grading, handling and packaging of such honey, and if so, you must respect their suggestions, but it is not unusual for honey to have traces of alcohols. If you are reasonably careful, they should not be too concerned. When honey is exposed to air, any alcohol does evaporate off easily. So unless they are concerned, I wouldn't worry too much. However, depending on local rules and its condition after salvage, some of the honey may only be fit for baking. Something you should know is that the alcohol produced by honey fermentation is not at all poisonous and is the same ethyl alcohol that is found in bread and pastries that are made with yeast or in beverages made from honey, so if a small amount remains in the honey, it will not be harmful (or intoxicating) to consumers. If the amount of fermentation is low and the amount is minor you can stop the problem by pasteurizing the honey, either in drums or in a vat. After you have done this, the honey will not ferment or spoil further unless new yeasts get in, and even then the process would be very slow. The procedure is simple, except that it is important to keep from overheating parts of the honey and underheating others. I am assuming that a modern packing plant is not available to process the salvaged portion of the honey. Basically the simplest way to do this is to place the drums (I'm assuming it is in drums) into a building where you can raise the temperature to 50 degrees Celsius. You must ensure the heat is circulated evenly and *all* the honey must be heated -- right to the centre of each and every drum -- to 50 degrees for a minimum of 4 hours, then the honey should be cooled as quickly as practical to 35 degrees or less Celsius and then preferably stored at about 20 degrees Celsius. You'll need good fans. The drums should be on thin planks off the floor to ensure that the bottoms do not retain the coolness of the earth or concrete and that the hot air can circulate under them. You must monitor the temperature at the centre of some drums to ensure the prescribed temperature is reached. Try not to get the temperature much higher than 50 degrees or obvious damage to flavour and colour will occur. Remember, if the honey is liquid, moving the drums around roughly might mix the fermented layers with the undamaged product, so handle gently -- or skim the drums before skimming off the fermentation -- if skimming is necessary. Even if the honey does not maintain table quality after this treatment, it should keep well, and be able to be sold for baking purposes. As for the fermenting skimmings, the most obvious solution would be to remove them and allow that fermentation to continue under controlled conditions to produce an alcoholic beverage. That may not be not practical or even desirable, and besides, that could be an *awful* lot of mead. I hope this helps. Write again if any of this is not clear to you. allen ----- amrf7@usa.net wrote: > > I have a problem I want somebody to advice me about it, > we are Egyptian company, we have about 170 ton from bee honey which is > about to corrupt, its production date is 1 year ago, about 30 % of it > is already corrupted, its cost to me is 1.85 U$, I want you to advice > me with an idea to get use of it, idea to keep it live longer, or > market idea to sell it faster > > Ashraf Fouad > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!news.clear.net.nz!a001-m001-u12.napr.clear.net.nz From: "David Hills" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: a001-m001-u12.napr.clear.net.nz Message-ID: <3a13ab4b@clear.net.nz> X-Original-Trace: 16 Nov 2000 22:39:23 +1200, a001-m001-u12.napr.clear.net.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:39:42 CST X-Trace: sv2-yIbst1M5AQl7gBTZpnbiBMUwNhtQCh8Yo/vFmV5M4N6177kfzMuYU85EzukcHqdqlDo+mvIjB5cRPBm!cEu0RpgJbECM0/kH9QAG7p/Z X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:44:23 +1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27737 Matthew Your intended temperature of 180F will melt the paraffin wax but it will not sterilize the woodware to kill AFB. Recommended temperature is a minimum160C for a minimum 10 minutes to kill AFB spores. Paraffin wax has a flash point of 199C, so a close watch, a thermometer that reads up to 200C, and a means of cutting off heating fast are essential. This information comes from the book "Elimination of Foul Brood Without the use of Drugs, A Practical Manual for Beekeepers" by Mark Goodwin and Cliff Van Eaton. It is published by the New Zealand Beekeepers Association, P O Box 3079 Napier New Zealand, and costs $10 NZ. The same book has a design for a wax dipper capable of handling three full depth supers, and heated by waste wood. It is made of 5mm steel plate, and is 600 mm long by 500 mm wide by 600 mm deep with an extra 125 mm on three sides of the base to make a fire box. It has a 2 metre chimney to provide draft, and wax level is recommended to be kept 125 mm below the rim to prevent boil overs. Perhaps an overflow pipe at 125mm below the rim, to take overflows well clear of the fire would provide furrther safety. The book advises that the fire will need to burn for 1.5 to 2 hours to bring the temperature up to 160C. Stay Warm. David Hills Napier New Zealand "Matthew" wrote in message news:9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com... > Has anyone dipped a fair amount of woodenware and found a good design > for heating wax to 180'F degrees? > > We have some 200-400 deeps purchased with AFB suspected influence that > needs corrected this winter but haven't found a good way to safely > control the wax temperature in our proposed 'dipping tank'. > > Exposed flame such as a propane space heater directed onto the tank? > Open fire stoked with charcoal? Hot water piped around the tank > stemming from a nearby water heater? > > The dipping tank will be an old cast iron honey sump which we'll add > 1-2' of steel on the sides to keep the wax from splashing over. > > Safety first, cost of energy second. > > I would prefer to use electricity or hot water to heat this wax rather > than flame since I understand the wax can catch on fire - unless > others have used methods of open flame and found it safe. > > Thanks in advance of your advice. > > Matthew Westall > > // Earthling Bees > >8()}}} "Take me to your feeder" > \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA > Article 27738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt3-port-41.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:17:19 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8v0q8i$333l5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net> <20001115200835.09358.00001126@ng-bk1.aol.com> <3A13C96D.6B1272@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt3-port-41.dial.telus.net (161.184.46.41) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974384211 3247781 161.184.46.41 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27738 This is true. However, in spring, conservation of heat becomes important if early build-up is desired, and restriction or elimination of upper entrances and excess hive volume is beneficial. Without good winter ventilation the bees may die of excess moisture and/or dripping water from melting ice above them. With too much ventilation, they will not build up well in the spring. What is ideal varies a lot with locale. We are in Alberta which is very cold (minus 40 Degrees for a week or so most years) but dry. We normally use a 3/8" by 2" upper entrance or equivalent in winter. When honey bees start raising brood in quantity, they need to maintain heat in a larger volume and they require feed from farther out in the cluster -- or even outside it -- to do so, and to feed their young. Draughts will thwart their efforts and cause setbacks and brood loss on cold days, so monitor the hive's progress and consider eliminating the top hole or reducing it to pencil size and removing the bottom box after the worst weather has passed. In spring, a warm , smallish hive is beneficial, however, the bee need to be able to manage adequate airflow to remove the products of respiration and be able to get access to the outdoors without having to walk a long distance. allen ---- > Most beginners make the mistake of believing that bees have to heat the inside > of the hive to stay warm. Isn't so. They just heat the cluster. Cold isn't the > killer of bees in winter, moisture is. > > Blue Taz37 wrote: > > > Won't the heat ecape??? Article 27739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!central.inet.fi!inet.fi!read2.inet.fi.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Seppo.Korpela@mtt.fi (Seppo Korpela) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Message-ID: <3a13aec5.8482135@news.inet.fi> References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <3a13ab4b@clear.net.nz> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:57:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.208.146.48 X-Trace: read2.inet.fi 974368624 193.208.146.48 (Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:57:04 EET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:57:04 EET Organization: Sonera corp Internet services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27739 "David Hills" wrote: >This information comes from the book "Elimination of Foul Brood Without the >use of Drugs, A Practical Manual for Beekeepers" by Mark Goodwin and Cliff >Van Eaton. > >It is published by the New Zealand Beekeepers Association, P O Box 3079 >Napier New Zealand, and costs $10 NZ. The book is available online at: http://www.nba.org.nz/pms/manual/index.htm Article 27740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.twtelecom.net!news-feeder2.wcg.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!news.clear.net.nz!a001-m001-u12.napr.clear.net.nz From: "David Hills" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: rendering wax Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: a001-m001-u12.napr.clear.net.nz Message-ID: <3a13b0bb@clear.net.nz> X-Original-Trace: 16 Nov 2000 23:02:35 +1200, a001-m001-u12.napr.clear.net.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:02:39 CST X-Trace: sv2-xQslQKlzW5lnPxXpaK3BMobPgTxUtj0SQtyHVsnoLGKTkadWNFLAyYHaMxZSxrMsi9YFTsbRpHf9rrQ!ONvZUgB3Q8PywT8GLp5Ef8Ss X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:07:35 +1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27740 I have used the microwave to melt wax and separate honey from cappings for several years with success. The honey is usually overheated in the process, but we use it in our breadmaker, so there is no loss. The cappings are placed in two litre ice cream containers, heated for about five minutes in the microwave on high, and allowed to cool. The wax forms a cake on top, with the slumgum embedded in the bottom of the wax cake, and any honey accumulates in the bottom of the container. The slumgum is scrapped off the bottom of the cake, and several cakes can then be reheated in a container till eventually one large wax cake is formed. My daughter colours the wax using shavings off a coloured crayon, then uses the wax to seal the tops of bottles of herbed olive oil she sells. The wax is simply reheated, then the bottle neck is dipped several times, until a nice thick coating is acheived. David Hills Napier New Zealand. wrote in message news:8uboij$jvr$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am a small beekeeper and have been extracting honey by crushing up > the comb and straining it. When melting down the comb afterwards it > is always difficult to get the wax clean. I have been using a double > boiler, would it make sense after doing this once to get any > salvageable honey out to actually melt the wax again in boiling water > to allow any remaining impurities to sink down to the bottom separated > from the wax by water? My wife wants to make candles from the wax. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A13C96D.6B1272@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie References: <3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net> <20001115200835.09358.00001126@ng-bk1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:47:57 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 974375133 206.231.24.104 (Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:45:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:45:33 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27741 Most beginners make the mistake of believing that bees have to heat the inside of the hive to stay warm. Isn't so. They just heat the cluster. Cold isn't the killer of bees in winter, moisture is. Blue Taz37 wrote: > Won't the heat ecape??? Article 27742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: alt.home.repair,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE problem in Arizona Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:26:04 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3A1434CB.5360FCA7@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8PWP5.14281$Gd7.795607@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A106636.12FBEBEE@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.home.repair:218087 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27742 Hi, Jeremy - You didn't list your location, but either of these guys can help you with info on bees and removal: Justin Schmidt, (520) 670-6380, extension 109 Steve Thoenes, BeeMaster, Inc, (520)906-4108 Jeremy f wrote: > Thanks Julie. Wasn't really sure were to post this. > "Julie" wrote in message > news:3A106636.12FBEBEE@NOTaol.com... > > Do any of you in the beekeeping newsgroup know how to answer this? It > > was originally posted in alt.home.repair. > > > > Jeremy f wrote: > > > > > > Help. For 2 weeks I have had a swarm of bees around my compost bin. I > > > called a Bee removal company and they told me to wait a few weeks if > they > > > weren't gone to call them back. Well there not gone. Worse than ever. > > > > > > My question. Won't bees die when it gets colder out? Last night got to > be > > > about 40....I was thinking they might be dead. Nope. Do I fork out $95 > to > > > have them removed? > > > We are concerned because Arizona is having more and more problems with > > > Africanized bees. > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 27743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marketing Comb Honey Lines: 19 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:51:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 974400717 12.72.41.72 (Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:51:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:51:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27743 I thought that some attractively packaged comb cassettes would sell well. Perhaps I give people more credit than they deserve, but no one born after WWII has a clue as to what to do with it and how to eat it. As a result, at a recent holiday faire the bottled stuff moved pretty well but not the comb. In hind site, I should have put a small brochure together to go with it since I can not be at the point of sale to explain. Anyone had similar experiences? Anyone developed a brochure? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Article 27744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt3-port-148.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:02:59 -0700 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8v1b11$37jos$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt3-port-148.dial.telus.net (161.184.46.148) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974401378 3395356 161.184.46.148 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27744 We produced and sold hundreds of thousands of combs. Our market was either fruit stands or gift stores. In these places, people are looking for something novel and price is less of an object. A brochure or attractive tag like they put on hand crafted candles can help a great deal. Try airport gift shops. Small, costly last-minute gifts move fast there. allen ---- > I thought that some attractively packaged comb cassettes would sell well. > Perhaps I give people more credit than they deserve, but no one born after > WWII has a clue as to what to do with it and how to eat it. As a result, at > a recent holiday faire the bottled stuff moved pretty well but not the comb. > > In hind site, I should have put a small brochure together to go with it > since I can not be at the point of sale to explain. Anyone had similar > experiences? Anyone developed a brochure? Article 27745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:59:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8v1aq0$q8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001113131912.19715.00000234@nso-fs.aol.com> <20001113223611.29080.00000279@nso-cl.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.200.165 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Nov 16 18:59:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.200.165 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27745 Far be it from me Wayne, to say anything like "I told you so." I'm still working on my glass box where I'll just set the meter box lid on top. Won't get to test it until spring when swarms start showing up again. If what you had was a swarm that had recently moved into the utility box there wouldn't be any brood yet. If they had been there awhile it's possible that they had already lost their queen and that's why you saw just honey cells. What's happening now? Herb NW Florida, USA In article <20001113223611.29080.00000279@nso-cl.aol.com>, waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) wrote: > I got back at it tonight, but the bees keept geting in the way when I would try > to add some hot wax. Then the newly placed comb colapsed the previosly hot wax > attached combs, so I decided that I had waisted enough time, and just put the > combs in the glass hive at the botom of the hive, and put the glass lid on top > without any combs attached. Maybe I should have just done that in the first > place :-) > > All of the combs were for honey. I saw no brood combs. Is this normal for a > swarm? I never did see the queen. She may have been in there under all of the > bees. > > Wayne Sallee > http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Nov 2000 01:49:33 GMT References: <8v0q8i$333l5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Message-ID: <20001116204933.27604.00000079@ng-mg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27746 Thanks Guys, I've print this out to keep it in my folder. Article 27747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:55:08 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8v361n$o98$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-109.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 974461815 24872 209.130.165.109 (17 Nov 2000 11:50:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Nov 2000 11:50:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27747 Hello group! We had two boxes of the plastic squares of "honey in the half comb", in other words 80 cassettes of comb honey about 5 years ago. We had a hard time selling it at $5 a cassette. The cassettes that did not get filled out sold for less...pretty much recovering the cost of the cassette. The following year we did not raise any but we had a number of people ask for it. For the next 2-3 years we did not raise any but we had numerous calls for it. If people had inquired about it we told them to bring a jar during extracting time and we scraped comb and honey into the jar for them...selling it for $1.00/lb. but we still had people requesting the comb cassettes. We were thinking...where were these people a few years ago! (smile) Anyway...last year we raised one box (40 cassettes) and we sold ALL of the cassettes within a week of pulling! We had it available at our honey open house (which we advertised comb honey). $5.00 a cassette...next year we will do 2 boxes again. Yes...I think it is more of an older customer that remembers comb honey as the only way they ate honey "years ago". But it is attractively packaged, it is unique and at $5, a bargain...I hope to see a more younger market. I think letting people know you have comb honey available...the word will spread. Good Luck! George Styer wrote in message news:h1WQ5.1939$S43.133449@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I thought that some attractively packaged comb cassettes would sell well. > Perhaps I give people more credit than they deserve, but no one born after > WWII has a clue as to what to do with it and how to eat it. As a result, at > a recent holiday faire the bottled stuff moved pretty well but not the comb. > > In hind site, I should have put a small brochure together to go with it > since I can not be at the point of sale to explain. Anyone had similar > experiences? Anyone developed a brochure? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > Article 27748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Message-ID: <3a15357e.90564140@east.usenetserver.com> References: <8v361n$o98$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 69 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@webusenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:44:40 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:44:21 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27748 Its an age thing .. at work my friends could care less and certainly won't buy my Ross Rounds for money. On the other hand my father-in-law takes them to his sunday school class ( average age about 75 ) and they grab them up. It was how they ate honey when they were young. Yet at the state fair we have frames cut into 1/2" squares and they sell very well for $0.25 to everyone that passes by. Dave On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:55:08 -0600, "busybee" wrote: >Hello group! > >We had two boxes of the plastic squares of "honey in the half comb", in >other words 80 cassettes of comb honey about 5 years ago. We had a hard >time selling it at $5 a cassette. The cassettes that did not get filled out >sold for less...pretty much recovering the cost of the cassette. > >The following year we did not raise any but we had a number of people ask >for it. For the next 2-3 years we did not raise any but we had numerous >calls for it. If people had inquired about it we told them to bring a jar >during extracting time and we scraped comb and honey into the jar for >them...selling it for $1.00/lb. but we still had people requesting the comb >cassettes. We were thinking...where were these people a few years ago! >(smile) > >Anyway...last year we raised one box (40 cassettes) and we sold ALL of the >cassettes within a week of pulling! We had it available at our honey open >house (which we advertised comb honey). $5.00 a cassette...next year we >will do 2 boxes again. > >Yes...I think it is more of an older customer that remembers comb honey as >the only way they ate honey "years ago". But it is attractively packaged, >it is unique and at $5, a bargain...I hope to see a more younger market. > >I think letting people know you have comb honey available...the word will >spread. > >Good Luck! > >George Styer wrote in message >news:h1WQ5.1939$S43.133449@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> I thought that some attractively packaged comb cassettes would sell well. >> Perhaps I give people more credit than they deserve, but no one born after >> WWII has a clue as to what to do with it and how to eat it. As a result, >at >> a recent holiday faire the bottled stuff moved pretty well but not the >comb. >> >> In hind site, I should have put a small brochure together to go with it >> since I can not be at the point of sale to explain. Anyone had similar >> experiences? Anyone developed a brochure? >> >> -- >> Geo >> Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >> "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >> gstyLer@att.net >> To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there >> >> >> >> > > Article 27749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:22:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8v3pgr$qbe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8v1aq0$q8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001117074608.24327.00000328@nso-cq.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Nov 17 17:22:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27749 In article <20001117074608.24327.00000328@nso-cq.aol.com>, waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) wrote: >When new bees emerge do they look like the adults, or are they >slightly lighter, like new ants are? They are lighter. I suppose how much depends on the strain of bees but I still remember the thrill of seeing the first new bees coming out after we had got a hive going from bees that were in our wall. The new ones were easy to spot among the others on the landing board of the hive. Good luck, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 44 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: waynesallee@aol.com (Wayne Sallee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Nov 2000 12:46:08 GMT References: <8v1aq0$q8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Attaching Honeycomb with Hot Wax ? Message-ID: <20001117074608.24327.00000328@nso-cq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27750 In article <8v1aq0$q8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com writes: > Far be it from me Wayne, to say anything like "I told you so." I'm >still working on my glass box where I'll just set the meter box lid on >top. Won't get to test it until spring when swarms start showing up >again. > > If what you had was a swarm that had recently moved into the utility >box there wouldn't be any brood yet. If they had been there awhile it's >possible that they had already lost their queen and that's why you saw >just honey cells. > > What's happening now? Well I cheked on them yesterday morning, and they were doing fine, then checked on them again around 3:00pm, and there were bees flying all around very agresivly, and there were bees all over the ground. I did not get close enough to the hive to look in since they were so agresive, and I don't have a bee sute. Plus I was just geting over a bee sting above the eye brow that made me look like I was half chineese :-) So I waited till night to look inside the hive. When I did, there were just a hand full of bees, and I could not see any honey left. I then did see a young bee just begining to emerg from a comb, unless it had burrowed through the back to the front. It was working it's way through the cap. There are a number of caped cells. I thought they were just honey since they were mixed in with the ones with honey. When new bees emerge do they look like the adults, or are they slightly lighter, like new ants are? Or do you know what new ants look like :-) This morning I just checked, and there are some flying around in and out of the glass hive, showing some agression, but not flying out around the yard as far as they were yesterday. Looks like they are working on security to make sure the other bees don't come back again. You told me so :-) I am wondering if the bees I have left, if left to their own devices, will be able to make it into a regular hive again. I hate to disturb them again since they have been almost wiped out allready. Looks like things didn't go as simple as I had hoped :-) Wayne Sallee http://members.aol.com/waynesallee/weblink.htm Article 27751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.emirates.net.ae!news.qualitynet.net!not-for-mail From: creditnow@credit.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GET UNSECURED CREDIT TODAY !!! Date: 18 Nov 2000 10:49:39 GMT Organization: Instant Approval Lines: 7 Message-ID: <29JWOKR5.83P218X9@credit.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.16.66.103 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27751 Bad Credit, Good Credit, Bankruptcy -- You will get an unsecured credit card which you deserve !! Click here and fill out the online application. Get credit today !!! http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=koYmz38IhXg&offerid=24046.10000006&type=1&subid=0 Article 27752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Chris Cowan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best West Texas Bees? Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:23:43 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 27 Message-ID: <18B4BFE326CAD6AF.85040575FFDF73E8.AA6A3A0890CC3A12@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <8v5768$o2@library2.airnews.net> References: <8CEQ5.14734$wW2.478156@news1.giganews.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Nov 18 00:22:00 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !WrKL1k-X._g3Tq (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27752 Mark, I have kept bees in the Lubbock area for many years. I had good success with Italians. As my beekeeping knowledge has grown, I've come to believe that the Buckfast might me really good in that area. I believe that you need a bee that is hardy and over winters well and that can stand 7 to 8 months of little or no honey flow. I would try the Buckfast as well as others. It's a unique and challenging environment out there but that cotton and mesquite honey sure is good! --Chris Mark wrote in message news:8CEQ5.14734$wW2.478156@news1.giganews.com... > I'd like to know which type of bee is best suited for west Texas - Midland, > Odessa area (hot, dry, windy, with miles and miles of nothing but pasture > and cotton fields - not irrigated). To me it looks like a toss-up between > the All-American (Italians from R. Weaver in Navasota, TX.), and the > Buckfast. Comment? Suggestions? > > Thanks > Mark > > Article 27753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!frnkge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail From: "Romualdo Cipriano" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: www.ciprianovini.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:42:58 +0100 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8v6iko$o00$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: mi3-901.dialup.tiscalinet.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 974573016 24576 62.11.63.5 (18 Nov 2000 18:43:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@tiscali.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Nov 2000 18:43:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27753 ...................... !!!!!!!!!!!! www.ciprianovini.com Article 27754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:16:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.21.54.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 974578583 63.21.54.249 (Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:16:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:16:23 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27754 Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, and mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so I ask you.... Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! Lucy Article 27755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:56:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3a17172a.41169220@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27755 On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:16:23 GMT, "Lucy" wrote: >Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, and >mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so I ask >you.... >Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > >Lucy > With your hive tool. beekeep Article 27756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A170AD9.FE239831@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:03:53 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites References: <3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com> <8ZDQ5.7066$%j3.59353@news6.giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn08.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 974602250 12746 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27756 You also missed the point Mark, the bees regulate the temp. inside the hive and keep it in the lower 90's!!!!! Mark wrote: > All of you missed the point! > > The article states ". Heat did not kill the mites but caused them to drop > through the screen of the cage and onto a trap below. All varroa mites can > be removed from adult bees by holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days." > > Once the mites are off the bees and drop onto a trap below, they can then be > killed before the temp. goes down and they return to the bees. > > Mark > "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message > news:3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com... > > >> All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by > > >>holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. > > > > If this were true there would be no varroa in Nebraska Article 27757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: amrf7@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat to Control Varroa Mites Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:33:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 94 Message-ID: <8v7hm7$ja1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.252.237.121 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 19 03:33:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.252.237.121 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27757 Can Anybody here tell me how can I make the tempreature go up to 40 c some say there is a hard way, but I dont know it and I'd love to Ashraf In article , "Mark" wrote: > I ran across this and found it VERY interesting. It appears that Varroa can > be controlled/eliminated using heat! > http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000007/00/0000070080.html > > Mark > ************************************************************************ **** > ************* > TEKTRAN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > ---- > > HEAT CAN REMOVE VARROA JACOBSONI (MESOSTIGMATA: VARROIDAE) FROM ADULT HONEY > BEES (HYMENOPTERA: APIDAE) > Author(s): > > HARBO JOHN R > > Interpretive Summary: > > Varroa mites are external parasites of honey bees that were first discovered > in the USA in 1987. Unless protected by chemical treatment, these mites will > kill a honey bee colony in about two years. This study examines heat > treatment as an alternative method of controlling varroa mites. The study > showed that it is. possible to remove all of the varroa mites from adult > honey bees without killing the bees. Experiments were conducted in > incubators to determine the percentage of the varroa population that dropped > from caged, adult honey bees at different temperatures. 40 degrees C (104 > degrees F) was the lowest temperature that removed all the mites. Heat did > not kill the mites but caused them to drop through the screen of the cage > and onto a trap below. All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by > holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. The heating and trapping technique > can be used to evaluate mite populations on large samples of adult bees > without killing the bees. Heat treatment can also be used to establish > mite-free populations of bees > > Keywords: > > apis mellifera honey bee pollination production acarapis woodi tracheal mite > africanized bees insects hymenoptera breeding genetic selection pest > resistance molecular genetics dna rflps dna microsatellites identification > population mating behavior germplasm storage colony management > > Contact: > > HONEY BEE BREEDING RESEAR > 1157 BEN HUR ROAD > BATON ROUGE > LA 70820 > FAX: 504-766-9212 > Email: > > Approved Date: 1996-05-01 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > ---- > > TEKTRAN > United States Department of Agriculture > Agricultural Research Service > > Updated: 1998-12-18 > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: amrf7@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:37:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8v7ht7$jjh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.252.237.121 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 19 03:37:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.252.237.121 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27758 In article , "Lucy" wrote: > Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, and > mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so I ask > you.... > Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > > Lucy > > you can chew it like gum Lucy, but dont eat it, and you can use it in healing in a diffrent ways specially on skin problems like cream by melting it and mixing it with honey Amr Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: amrf7@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:58:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8v7j4s$kee$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.252.237.121 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 19 03:58:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.252.237.121 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27759 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > I thought that some attractively packaged comb cassettes would sell well. > Perhaps I give people more credit than they deserve, but no one born after > WWII has a clue as to what to do with it and how to eat it. As a result, at > a recent holiday faire the bottled stuff moved pretty well but not the comb. > > In hind site, I should have put a small brochure together to go with it > since I can not be at the point of sale to explain. Anyone had similar > experiences? Anyone developed a brochure? > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > I have the same problem now, I have a big quantity of comb honey, what I found here that the best way you can sell it with is the direct selling, I am organizing a cambine will start in few days, it will be in supermarkets and selling points, girls will stand and explain what is it and make the people taste it to make them understand how good is it, after the cambine end I will tell you what happened another thing I am doing I am trying to market it in the resturant to make the people eat it as the first thing in brakfast, you know when you eat it as the first thing you will really appreciate it, or heat it it if you dont like this things, and then you will not be customer anyway I am still searching for a new ideas, if anyone have some please say it too uhh by the way I tryed the flyers and borshoures and it didnt work, nobody take it from the shelf, unless there is someone give to hem and explain it Ashraf Fouad Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: amrf7@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: please help me in this situation Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:29:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 143 Message-ID: <8v7kui$ln0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8uvfd8$al0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A137314.8012CFA7@internode.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.252.237.141 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 19 04:29:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.252.237.141 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27760 In article <3A137314.8012CFA7@internode.net>, Allen Dick wrote: > Hi > > I assume you mean by 'corrupted' that the honey is fermenting into > alcohol. > If it was stored at temperatures under 25 degrees Celsius, > that usually means that the honey was a bit high in moisture when it was > placed in containers. If so, it may not have met the standards of the > exporting country and you might have some recourse to the seller. But, > then again, maybe the honey was produced someplace without standards or > by your own company -- or perhaps the damage is due to high storage > temperatures. In that case you need to salvage what you can. In any > case, you have the responsibility to ensure that no more harm comes to > the product while it is in your care. > > If the honey met the proper moisture standards originally, a likely > cause of spoilage is that during storage -- particularly in a warm or > hot place -- honey will often separate into two parts. If that > happens, then the thinner and uppermost is vulnerable to fermenting. > (Stored honey should be monitored regularly to get early warning of this > happening). > > If separation is what happened, the damage may be confined to the top of > the containers and the bottom honey may be fine. You might be able to > skim off the damaged portion and save the rest since the fermented part > is lighter and floats up to the top. Often such damage is just on the > surface and looks much worse than it actually is when you dig down and > see what is below. > > Your local authorities may have regulations on grading, handling and > packaging of such honey, and if so, you must respect their suggestions, > but it is not unusual for honey to have traces of alcohols. If you are > reasonably careful, they should not be too concerned. When honey is > exposed to air, any alcohol does evaporate off easily. So unless they > are concerned, I wouldn't worry too much. However, depending on local > rules and its condition after salvage, some of the honey may only be fit > for baking. > > Something you should know is that the alcohol produced by honey > fermentation is not at all poisonous and is the same ethyl alcohol that > is found in bread and pastries that are made with yeast or in beverages > made from honey, so if a small amount remains in the honey, it will not > be harmful (or intoxicating) to consumers. > > If the amount of fermentation is low and the amount is minor you can > stop the problem by pasteurizing the honey, either in drums or in a > vat. After you have done this, the honey will not ferment or spoil > further unless new yeasts get in, and even then the process would be > very slow. The procedure is simple, except that it is important to keep > from overheating parts of the honey and underheating others. I am > assuming that a modern packing plant is not available to process the > salvaged portion of the honey. > > Basically the simplest way to do this is to place the drums (I'm > assuming it is in drums) into a building where you can raise the > temperature to 50 degrees Celsius. You must ensure the heat is > circulated evenly and *all* the honey must be heated -- right to the > centre of each and every drum -- to 50 degrees for a minimum of 4 hours, > then the honey should be cooled as quickly as practical to 35 degrees or > less Celsius and then preferably stored at about 20 degrees Celsius. > You'll need good fans. The drums should be on thin planks off the floor > to ensure that the bottoms do not retain the coolness of the earth or > concrete and that the hot air can circulate under them. You must > monitor the temperature at the centre of some drums to ensure the > prescribed temperature is reached. Try not to get the temperature much > higher than 50 degrees or obvious damage to flavour and colour will > occur. > > Remember, if the honey is liquid, moving the drums around roughly might > mix the fermented layers with the undamaged product, so handle gently -- > or skim the drums before skimming off the fermentation -- if skimming is > necessary. > > Even if the honey does not maintain table quality after this treatment, > it should keep well, and be able to be sold for baking purposes. > > As for the fermenting skimmings, the most obvious solution would be to > remove them and allow that fermentation to continue under controlled > conditions to produce an alcoholic beverage. That may not be not > practical or even desirable, and besides, that could be an *awful* lot > of mead. > > I hope this helps. Write again if any of this is not clear to you. > > allen > > ----- > amrf7@usa.net wrote: > > > > I have a problem I want somebody to advice me about it, > > we are Egyptian company, we have about 170 ton from bee honey which is > > about to corrupt, its production date is 1 year ago, about 30 % of it > > is already corrupted, its cost to me is 1.85 U$, I want you to advice > > me with an idea to get use of it, idea to keep it live longer, or > > market idea to sell it faster > > > > Ashraf Fouad > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > Thank you allen for this valueable answer, it really helped me, I just want to ask why should raise the tempreature around the drums, cant I just remove the fremented layer gently and then pesterize it in the production line and filter it, I mean that I can put all the honey in tanks so I can control it more easy you said I should raise the temp to 50 for at least 4 hours and then get it down to 35 as fast as I can, I didnt understand that, is 10 minutes qfast enough, or is it 1 hour Ashraf Fouad Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-8.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: please help me in this situation Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:24:02 -0700 Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8v7s1n$3uj1k$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8uvfd8$al0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A137314.8012CFA7@internode.net> <8v7kui$ln0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-8.internode.net (198.161.229.184) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974615416 4148276 198.161.229.184 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27761 > I just want to ask why should raise the tempreature around the drums, > cant I just remove the fremented layer gently and then pesterize it in > the production line and filter it, I mean that I can put all the honey > in tanks so I can control it more easy I was not sure what facilities you had available, so I described what you could do if you did not have the option of bottling the whole supply of honey in a short timeframe. Fermentation can be slow, taking place over weeks and months, or it can be fast. I was not sure how much time you had in which to act. It seems from your reply that the fermentation is not too serious yet, and that spoilage is not happening fast. It also seems you have the facilities to process the whole supply into consumer containers quickly enough that you will not lose much more honey to fermentation. If that is true, then my advice will be to consult a time/temperature pasteurization chart. The amount of time necessary to kill yeasts varies with the temperature used. Only a few seconds are required in a flash heating system that heats the honey to high temperatures (65deg.C for 15 seconds) and then cools it immediately to room temperature or cooler. The fast cooling is essential in that type of system to avoid heat damage to the honey. Longer times (4 hours at 50 degrees C) are required in the lower temperature method I described for pasteurizing in drums or in tanks. 50 degrees C will work well if you use tanks. If the time in the tank is going to be longer, then you can consult a milk pasteurization chart to see what temperature is needed to destroy the yeasts. If your time iin the tanks s greater than four hours, a slightly lower temperature than 50 degrees will work. No matter what temperature and time is used, the tanks should be stirred constantly to distribute the heat, and to liquefy any crystals. The time should be observed carefully. Honey should not be kept hot any longer than necessary to destroy the yeasts and to ensure that any granulation (sugar crystals) are dissolved completely. When bottled, the stacks of jars must be cooled to room temperature as quickly as practical to prevent unnecessary darkening of the honey or spoiling the taste.. > get it down to 35 as fast as I can, I didnt understand that, is 10 > minutes fast enough, or is it 1 hour Whatever you can manage will be fine -- and then it should be cooled to about 20 degrees or so for storage -- if possible. Storage at temperatures above 20 degrees C will result in darkening and flavour loss as months pass. allen Article 27762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:07:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.105.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Nov 19 14:07:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 6.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.12.105.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27762 In article , "Lucy" wrote: > Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, and > mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so I ask > you.... > Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > > Lucy > Dear Lucy, I've never heard that there is a proper way to eat comb honey, at least until Beekeep said to use a hive tool. I doubt that because if we are going to market comb honey, what are we going to do? Sell a hive tool with each jar? Eat it like you do fried chicken. Some people pick it up and eat it and others use a fork. Which is proper? Either one. Whether you should swallow the wax from comb honey or spit it out is debatable and also seems to be a personal choice. Even if the wax is bad for us, I doubt that anyone would ever eat enough to cause any health problem. - except maybe in Florida where we have election dysfunction. :-) Sincerely, Herb NW Florida, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:21:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3a17c445.85481928@news1.radix.net> References: <8v7ht7$jjh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27763 On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:37:10 GMT, amrf7@usa.net wrote: >In article , > "Lucy" wrote: >> Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, >and >> mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so >I ask >> you.... >> Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! >> >> Lucy >> >> > >you can chew it like gum Lucy, but dont eat it, and you can use it in >healing in a diffrent ways specially on skin problems like cream by >melting it and mixing it with honey > >Amr > Oh bullshit, you do eat it! I prefere it in early summer, before it is really honey, when it is still thin, uncapped, and hot in the hive. To me it has the most flavor and less wax at that point. Nothing can compare to locust honey that runs down you arms while you snack on it working the bees. beekeep Article 27764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0193.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best West Texas Bees? Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:13:09 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <8CEQ5.14734$wW2.478156@news1.giganews.com> <18B4BFE326CAD6AF.85040575FFDF73E8.AA6A3A0890CC3A12@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0193.nts-online.net (216.167.131.193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974679192 4094468 216.167.131.193 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27764 I've used Buckfast bees on the edge of Palo Duro Canyon (south of Amarillo) for about 20 years. However, I'm not sure they're still pure Buckfast bees by now. I haven't bought in any 'pure stock' for years. I collect swarms and take my chances. I've got some hives that continuously hang in there, with the longest being for 8 years. Recently, a couple of swarms from the City of Amarillo are definitely different and they may be variations on the AHB. They are more vigorous by a large percentage over th other bees and they swarm like hell. In fact one swarm taken in early Spring (see post about earliest swarm ever taken in Amarillo) put out two other swarms before the season was over. The first swarm was big maybe 5 pounds, the second was only about a pound. And this was during a bad season, I didn't collect much honey this year. The season was completely drought stricken, with more than 6 weeks of mid nineties temperatures and no rain; I left what the bees collected in the spring and early summer. Still, two swarms from that early swarm in April, that's a new experience for me. I've got these 'special' bees way out away from things and are letting them do what they do. The only 'hint' that they may have the famous AHB temperament was when the original swarm built up and put forth another swarm (call it no 1) about 5 pounds of bees, I had a look in the box and there were still many queen cells sealed even after one week (after the swarm left) and they got very 'pissy' about my inspection. Had they been a very large hive the attack would have been rated way up there to a category '10.' They didn't especially maintain a strong 'pursuit after I reconstructed their boxes, and they showed no more aggression after things settled down, still all this is new behavior and cannot be ignored. So, possibly a new 'super bee' has arrived in West Texas, and accepting for it's swarming tendencies, it's a hell of a worker and comb maker. If the nectar is there, they'll have the crew ready. A brave new world. C.K. Article 27765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: ashraf777@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there Honey news Group Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:59:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8v9t1u$828$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.14.2.221 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 20 00:59:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.14.2.221 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27765 Anybody can tell me if there is honey news group Ashraf Fouad Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!skynet.be!193.162.153.122.MISMATCH!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Ted Pasternak Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hello... Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:00:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8va43k$d7t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 20 03:00:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.224.203.135 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpasternak_ted Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27766 Hello... just testing... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:13:43 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8vas41$dia$1@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userhz93.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 974713793 13898 62.188.72.12 (20 Nov 2000 09:49:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Nov 2000 09:49:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27767 Lucy wrote in message news:rsBR5.4502$xd3.418369@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, and > mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so I ask > you.... > Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > > Lucy > > Hi Lucy, Try this. Method 1, Basic fast food. Simply cut off a chunk and squash it onto your hot toast. Eat the softened hot wax as well as the honey. Method 2, more refined. Cut off a slice, put it on one side of your plate and gently squash it with your knife to expel the honey. Transfer honey to toast and eat. leave the wax on the side of the plate. It all depends if you are having genteel afternoon tea, or getting something nice to eat as you walk through the kitchen. Martin. Article 27768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!maule!not-for-mail From: "Gabrielita Aguayo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v6iko$o00$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it> Subject: Re: www.ciprianovini.com Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:00:04 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.28.204.41 X-Trace: maule 974728682 200.28.204.41 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:58:02 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:58:02 CDT Organization: Terra Networks Chile S.A. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27768 Romualdo Cipriano escribió en mensaje <8v6iko$o00$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>... >...................... >!!!!!!!!!!!! > >www.ciprianovini.com > > Article 27769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8CEQ5.14734$wW2.478156@news1.giganews.com> <18B4BFE326CAD6AF.85040575FFDF73E8.AA6A3A0890CC3A12@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Best West Texas Bees? Lines: 87 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:45:10 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-SoDG5qha9njf94xjUtVTv8LTHuIQCWQngeS/EdQ8fUky1DC+DupSUzxoFjncy75n/N46UcVNIXV/4QI!iyUDHD6JwxGZEyu8mXYiMsDHpQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:45:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27769 Yea, I was leaning towards Buckfast too, then I talked to a lady who has worked at R. Weaver Apiaries in Navasota, TX. for 20 years. She said, that the Buckfast didn't do well in desert areas like Arizona and southern California. But yours sound like their doing fine. R. Weaver sells Buckfast and All-Americans (Italian), so she naturally recommended the All-Americans. I only know of one person who used to keep bees in my area (Big Spring/Lamesa) and he used Buckfast very successfully until the weather turned dry and the Boll Weevil spraying started. I was reading about different traits of bees in the Beekeeping Handbook, the Carniolan sure sounds good. It says Carniolans have: - Rapid population buildup in the spring - Brood rearing decreased if available forage is diminished - Exceptionally gentle - Few brood diseased - Economic honey consumers - Little robbing instinct - Can have very white wax cappings - Little brace comb and propolis - Overwinter well. But, ...: - They tend to swarm unless given enough room - Strong Broodnest depends on ample supply of pollen - Can be slow to build up in summer if pollen is not available - Dark queen is difficult to locate. Any experience with All-Americans or Carniolans in this area? What kind of bees do Buckfast turn into if you don't requeen? Mark "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:uspg1t8j0pgc5ckreradpkr2q9o5fv10nf@4ax.com... > I've used Buckfast bees on the edge of Palo Duro Canyon (south of Amarillo) > for about 20 years. However, I'm not sure they're still pure Buckfast bees by > now. I haven't bought in any 'pure stock' for years. I collect swarms and > take my chances. I've got some hives that continuously hang in there, with > the longest being for 8 years. > > Recently, a couple of swarms from the City of Amarillo are definitely > different and they may be variations on the AHB. They are more vigorous by a > large percentage over th other bees and they swarm like hell. In fact one > swarm taken in early Spring (see post about earliest swarm ever taken in > Amarillo) put out two other swarms before the season was over. The first > swarm was big maybe 5 pounds, the second was only about a pound. And this was > during a bad season, I didn't collect much honey this year. The season was > completely drought stricken, with more than 6 weeks of mid nineties > temperatures and no rain; I left what the bees collected in the spring and > early summer. > > Still, two swarms from that early swarm in April, that's a new experience for > me. I've got these 'special' bees way out away from things and are letting > them do what they do. The only 'hint' that they may have the famous AHB > temperament was when the original swarm built up and put forth another swarm > (call it no 1) about 5 pounds of bees, I had a look in the box and there were > still many queen cells sealed even after one week (after the swarm left) and > they got very 'pissy' about my inspection. Had they been a very large hive > the attack would have been rated way up there to a category '10.' They didn't > especially maintain a strong 'pursuit after I reconstructed their boxes, and > they showed no more aggression after things settled down, still all this is > new behavior and cannot be ignored. > > So, possibly a new 'super bee' has arrived in West Texas, and accepting for > it's swarming tendencies, it's a hell of a worker and comb maker. If the > nectar is there, they'll have the crew ready. A brave new world. > > C.K. Article 27770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Herb: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:32:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974745154 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:32:34 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:32:34 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27770 Herb, Where do you live? I live in Sarasota. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot wrote in message news:8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article , > "Lucy" wrote: > > Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, > and > > mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so > I ask > > you.... > > Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > > > > Lucy > > > Dear Lucy, > > I've never heard that there is a proper way to eat comb honey, at > least until Beekeep said to use a hive tool. I doubt that because if we > are going to market comb honey, what are we going to do? Sell a hive > tool with each jar? > > Eat it like you do fried chicken. Some people pick it up and eat > it and others use a fork. Which is proper? Either one. > > Whether you should swallow the wax from comb honey or spit it out > is debatable and also seems to be a personal choice. Even if the wax > is bad for us, I doubt that anyone would ever eat enough to cause any > health problem. - except maybe in Florida where we have election > dysfunction. :-) > > Sincerely, > Herb NW Florida, USA > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <9aeS5.97040$65.953667@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:35:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974745349 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:35:49 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:35:49 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27771 You can also apply it to whatever like you would butter...Just take a knife, but cut it, and apply... There is nothing wrong with eating bees wax that I ever heard of...It is a by product of honey production in the worker honey bee and as such its principle ingredient is honey....All that happens to the honey is that the waxy parts of the honey are separated from the sugar and water when the bees digest it...If you can eat honey, you can eat beeswax...IOW honey is just like beeswax except it has more stuff in it. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Lucy wrote in message news:rsBR5.4502$xd3.418369@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hi! I was reading athe previous thread about Marketing Comb Honey, and > mention was made that young folks don't know the way to eat it....so I ask > you.... > Just what is the proper way to eat comb honey? Thank you! > > Lucy > > Article 27772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: BCDEX@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HOMESTEADING Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:18:29 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 15 Message-ID: <22741-3A197905-65@storefull-264.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzVjORSd/HsF5cP1ML3fd3IFDRvkCFBBrdXa8tE7AcnlXw2hzEo2OBBKt Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27772 WEBTV ONLY IF YOU LIKE LIVING THE COUNTRY LIFE, HEATING WITH WOOD, GARDENING, CANNING, RAISING BEES, CHICKENS, TURKEYS, STEERS, RABBITS, FOR YOUR OWN FOOD.,COME JOIN US AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR LIFE IN THE COUNTRY....JUST CLICK ON:........ news:alt.discuss.clubs.public.home.gardening.tillerbill Article 27773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A0BEA0B.9B972759@together.net> <20001115200835.09358.00001126@ng-bk1.aol.com> <3A13C96D.6B1272@together.net> <8v0q8i$333l5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:30:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974763037 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:30:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:30:37 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27773 The way to acheive this would seem to be to invert the inner cover so the notch was on the top of the inner cover instead of on the bottom. This would produce the desired effects of have two baffles for the single entrance. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Allen Dick wrote in message news:8v0q8i$333l5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > This is true. However, in spring, conservation of heat becomes important if > early build-up is desired, and restriction or elimination of upper entrances > and excess hive volume is beneficial. > > Without good winter ventilation the bees may die of excess moisture and/or > dripping water from melting ice above them. With too much ventilation, they > will not build up well in the spring. What is ideal varies a lot with > locale. We are in Alberta which is very cold (minus 40 Degrees for a week > or so most years) but dry. We normally use a 3/8" by 2" upper entrance or > equivalent in winter. > > When honey bees start raising brood in quantity, they need to maintain heat > in a larger volume and they require feed from farther out in the cluster -- > or even outside it -- to do so, and to feed their young. Draughts will > thwart their efforts and cause setbacks and brood loss on cold days, so > monitor the hive's progress and consider eliminating the top hole or > reducing it to pencil size and removing the bottom box after the worst > weather has passed. > > In spring, a warm , smallish hive is beneficial, however, the bee need to be > able to manage adequate airflow to remove the products of respiration and be > able to get access to the outdoors without having to walk a long distance. > > allen > ---- > > Most beginners make the mistake of believing that bees have to heat the > inside > > of the hive to stay warm. Isn't so. They just heat the cluster. Cold isn't > the > > killer of bees in winter, moisture is. > > > > Blue Taz37 wrote: > > > > > Won't the heat ecape??? > > > Article 27774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com> <8ZDQ5.7066$%j3.59353@news6.giganews.com> <3A170AD9.FE239831@crosslink.net> Subject: Lots of missed points Lines: 58 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <3qiS5.97064$65.954601@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:25:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974762751 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:25:51 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:25:51 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27774 Actually LEG, you missed a big point too. Bees can increase tempurature when cold, and they can ventilate in the summer when its hot, but if the ambient tempurature is 108 F, then you can bet you will not find one hive that is 90 someodd degrees...Ventilation can only lower tempurature to surrounding tempurature minus the temp drop due to water evaporation. The solution would seem to be to create a bottom board made of screening so that one could place a trap "adhesives" underneath for a few days...Once the varoa have all fallen through..I would give it a week or two to allow for the varoa which fell onto comb and top bars and such to gather back on bees and fall again or just get knocked down from bee activity. It is an interesting idea at least if not practical, but I don't see why it wouldn't be practical....Place adhesive mat on bottom board...Make a boxed screen similar to a wooden frames queen excluder and place over bottom board. This would also seem to help with ventilation too...ehh? -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot L.E.G. wrote in message news:3A170AD9.FE239831@crosslink.net... > You also missed the point Mark, the bees regulate the temp. inside the hive and > keep it in the lower 90's!!!!! > > Mark wrote: > > > All of you missed the point! > > > > The article states ". Heat did not kill the mites but caused them to drop > > through the screen of the cage and onto a trap below. All varroa mites can > > be removed from adult bees by holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days." > > > > Once the mites are off the bees and drop onto a trap below, they can then be > > killed before the temp. goes down and they return to the bees. > > > > Mark > > "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message > > news:3a12f5db.534756703@east.usenetserver.com... > > > >> All varroa mites can be removed from adult bees by > > > >>holding the bees at 104 deg F for 2 days. > > > > > > If this were true there would be no varroa in Nebraska > Article 27775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Nov 2000 04:27:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Message-ID: <20001120232718.24678.00000716@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27775 The small problem here, Everytime I cut out of ventilation 5/8 hole. The bees keep plug it up. The inner cover is seem pretty dry here in Va. which is most like Dry cold air. I bough Two way Temp. ( indoor and outdoor) with thin wire that had a Temp. prong from Lowes and I put it inside the brood box. Today the temp. was reading 42F. while the outdoor is 39F. All this summer they were 8 to 10 degree higher than a normal Temp. It kinda of quite fun. Article 27776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-1.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Cam Update Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:47:15 -0700 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8vcuoq$4ci86$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8ud0ub$1imc0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-1.internode.net (198.161.229.177) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974782043 4606214 198.161.229.177 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27776 You have to set the synchronization settings for the item and that is a bit complicated. I'm happy if it just updates now and then. BTW, I wonder what that yellow bar that periodically shows up in the middle is? allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ BTW, my diary is now being updated again "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message news:RFiS5.97067$65.954825@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > allen I am having difficulty making is an "active" item...It doesn't update > properly. > > > I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty good. > > > It is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm > > > > Windows (r) users can put it on the active desktop. I did. > > > > allen Article 27777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Nov 2000 04:08:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: top bar hives Message-ID: <20001120230830.24678.00000709@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27777 > use Midnites in my TBH again in the spring of 2001. > What up with TBH??? Thanks. Tim Article 27778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-1.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:24:56 -0700 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8vd12u$41j5f$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-1.internode.net (198.161.229.177) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974784415 4246703 198.161.229.177 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27778 > ...Pieces of combs > constructed by Africanised (small cells) and pure Italian (large cells) > honey bees were placed within the same frame and eggs were laid by a single > queen in each trial. ...The frequency of infested brood cells was higher in > the large worker brood cells built by European races than in the small > worker brood cells built by Africanised bees (15.7 vs 7.3% respectively), > though other factors, including egg origin and colony, were equal. This demonstrates that a given number of varroa will tend to distribute themselves such that _when given a choice_ they favour larger cells available in a hive by a two to one ratio. No mention was made here of drone cells competing. I assume they were not available. > The same was true for frequency of cells with female deutonymphs > (which represent effective reproduction) (11.9 vs 4.7% respectively) Where there are more mites per cell, one would naturally expect to find more products of reproduction. From the infestation numbers given, we would expect to find about twice the number in the larger cells, since there were apparently twice as many mothers. The reproductive success ratio per mother does *seem* a bit higher in the smaller cells (11.9/15.7 vs. 4.7/7.3 -- or 0.75 vs. 0.64 -- or 17% ). This is a 17% difference -- not a large difference -- but perhaps promising... But, whether this 17% difference is actually statistically significant or not would require access to the raw data. Also we must ask, is this difference due to the cell size -- or the mothers that selected small cells? After all, the mothers did have a choice, and thus sorted themselves according to some criterion (or criteria?). Were the large cell mothers equal to the small cell mothers in reproductive ability or were they a bit inferior in the first place? What the study appears to prove at first blush is that smaller cell size is slightly effective against varroa. However if we examine the study more carefully, we will see that it is not so definitive and that, moreover, the effect demonstrated is quite slight. When we factor in the likely fact that the interpretation of the results is usually stated as accurate within some margin 95% of the time, and that there is always a 5% chance that they are completely wrong, then I would want stronger proof. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 27779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8uvfd8$al0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A137314.8012CFA7@internode.net> <8v7kui$ln0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8v7s1n$3uj1k$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: please help me in this situation Lines: 80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:10:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974761820 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:10:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:10:20 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27779 One added peice of advice...Do not place fermenting honey in consumer containers...They will explode from the pressures created in the process...Only place the pasteurized or otherwise safe honey in the containers. It is safer to suspect the honey of contamination than to find out that the honey was fermenting in the glass jars, which will at this point be unsalvageble -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Allen Dick wrote in message news:8v7s1n$3uj1k$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > I just want to ask why should raise the tempreature around the drums, > > cant I just remove the fremented layer gently and then pesterize it in > > the production line and filter it, I mean that I can put all the honey > > in tanks so I can control it more easy > > I was not sure what facilities you had available, so I described what you > could do if you did not have the option of bottling the whole supply of > honey in a short timeframe. Fermentation can be slow, taking place over > weeks and months, or it can be fast. I was not sure how much time you had > in which to act. > > It seems from your reply that the fermentation is not too serious yet, and > that spoilage is not happening fast. It also seems you have the facilities > to process the whole supply into consumer containers quickly enough that you > will not lose much more honey to fermentation. > > If that is true, then my advice will be to consult a time/temperature > pasteurization chart. The amount of time necessary to kill yeasts varies > with the temperature used. Only a few seconds are required in a flash > heating system that heats the honey to high temperatures (65deg.C for 15 > seconds) and then cools it immediately to room temperature or cooler. The > fast cooling is essential in that type of system to avoid heat damage to the > honey. > > Longer times (4 hours at 50 degrees C) are required in the lower temperature > method I described for pasteurizing in drums or in tanks. 50 degrees C will > work well if you use tanks. If the time in the tank is going to be longer, > then you can consult a milk pasteurization chart to see what temperature is > needed to destroy the yeasts. If your time iin the tanks s greater than > four hours, a slightly lower temperature than 50 degrees will work. > > No matter what temperature and time is used, the tanks should be stirred > constantly to distribute the heat, and to liquefy any crystals. The time > should be observed carefully. Honey should not be kept hot any longer than > necessary to destroy the yeasts and to ensure that any granulation (sugar > crystals) are dissolved completely. > > When bottled, the stacks of jars must be cooled to room temperature as > quickly as practical to prevent unnecessary darkening of the honey or > spoiling the taste.. > > > get it down to 35 as fast as I can, I didnt understand that, is 10 > > minutes fast enough, or is it 1 hour > > Whatever you can manage will be fine -- and then it should be cooled to > about 20 degrees or so for storage -- if possible. Storage at temperatures > above 20 degrees C will result in darkening and flavour loss as months pass. > > allen > > Article 27780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ud0ub$1imc0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Bee Cam Update Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:42:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974763761 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:42:41 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:42:41 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27780 allen I am having difficulty making is an "active" item...It doesn't update properly. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Allen Dick wrote in message news:8ud0ub$1imc0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty good. It > > is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm > > Windows (r) users can put it on the active desktop. I did. > > allen > > > Article 27781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:15:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 974765686 nnrp-04:20146 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 44 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27781 In article , Charlie Kroeger writes >See hear James, with all due respect, I think nonetheless, you have a bright >future working for a major energy company explaining why their product's >contribution to excessive carbon emissions has no effect on so called global >warming. Thanks for the chuckle. I think the more science we can get on improving varroa tolerance by whatever means is going to help us all. But take care in interpreting results from just one experiment where the authors are cautious and especially where we want something to be true ourselves. Now I have been sent by John Sewell a paper published in Apidologie in 1995. It meets the criteria I was suggesting were needed to have confidence in the claim being made rather more closely. I can only hope that this research will be expanded to test more colonies, over a greater range of comb size, with different races of bees and not confine itself to africanised bees and Italian mated with africanised. It does offer a method whereby ordinary beekeepers might explore for themselves the reproduction rates of varroa in reduced comb sizes without necessarily embarking on a major effort and accepting all the propositions and reasoning of the 4.9mm lobby in full. 2 or 3 sizes of comb in the same hive, with worker brood removed and examined (or freeze killed) at intervals through the season, should, if carefully timed, yield results for the beekeepers' *own* bees. Apidologie (1995) 26, 381-386 Effect of the size of worker brood cells of Africanized honey bees on infestation and reproduction of the ectoparasitic mite Varroa Jacobsoni Oud "An investigation was made of the influence of honey bee worker brood cell size on infestation by the mite Varroa jacobsoni. Pieces of combs constructed by Africanised (small cells) and pure Italian (large cells) honey bees were placed within the same frame and eggs were laid by a single queen in each trial. Two queens, one Africanised and the other Italian, were mated with Africanised drones, and their respective colonies were used in 16 trials. The frequency of infested brood cells was higher in the large worker brood cells built by European races than in the small worker brood cells built by Africanised bees (15.7 vs 7.3% respectively), though other factors, including egg origin and colony, were equal. The same was true for frequency of cells with female deutonymphs (which represent effective reproduction) (11.9 vs 4.7% respectively)." end -- James Kilty Article 27782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:21:24 -0700 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8ve1af$48ltt$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> <8vd12u$41j5f$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974817424 4478909 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27782 > Yes. Do you know of a study with more extensive data which brings out > these factors - with other races? No. I have been following this small cell furor a bit and find it somewhat interesting, but have a tendency to think of it as the panacea of the year -- with a strong cult following. So, I don't pursue it with a passion. If you want the super-sized info meal, just cruise on down to my buddy Barry's http://www.beesource.com and line up for the full meal deal. I don't know what made Beany Babies catch on. My aunt has been making something similar since before I as born without any huge demand, but suddenly, somehow the world went crazy about ugly stuffed toys for a while. So it is with the beekeeping world. Fads come by regularly, but only a few of them deliver anything amazing or have exceptional lasting utility. The same people adopt, then after a while, discard them to the scrap heap along with previous passions. Having said this, the small cell movement has made me aware that we are and have been using artificially large foundation -- up to 5.7 mm in some extreme cases -- and I am concerned about this. My own modest researches ( http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/CellCount.htm ) on this have shown me quite conclusively that the bees I get to work with make 5.2 - 5.3 mm cells and I have decided not to buy any other foundation size. My experience, subjective observations and reasoning have convinced me that any benefits from larger cells have a downside, just as I believe there is a downside to cramping the developing bees in small cells. I think of cells like shoes. There is one right size for any individual. I wear size 10-1/2 (Canadian). Knowing that in distant places there are people that thrive in size eight does not in the least make me want to force my feet in to smaller shoes. allen My diary is alive again. http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 27783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen rearing Message-ID: <3a1a8f03.441161625@east.usenetserver.com> References: <8urk34$l70$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 25 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@webusenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:10:06 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:09:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27783 Clayton I asked your questions this weekend at our state meeting. Only in regard to the last one was I able to get a resonable answer. People felt that you should keep using the breeders as long as possible .. its too expensive to not use her 2-3 years, then bring in new breeders with strong expressions of the trait you are trying to select. Re other parts of your question, it may not be possible to determine exactly since there are 10-20 drone matings which you don't control unless you artificially inseminate.. see genetics pages at Glenn apiary site members.aol.com/queenb95 Dave ? In >subsequent years should the new breeders be selected from the original >queens daughters or entirely new queens? Thanks. > >Clayton Huestis >Crown Point, NY > > Article 27784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ud0ub$1imc0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8vcuoq$4ci86$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Bee Cam Update Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:31:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 974824287 204.186.180.76 (Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:31:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:31:27 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27784 The yellow bar is the top of a wood frame. Soon I should be able to offer streaming video, as we will have DSL by the first of the year. Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com draperb@ptd.net "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8vcuoq$4ci86$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > You have to set the synchronization settings for the item and that is a bit > complicated. I'm happy if it just updates now and then. BTW, I wonder what > that yellow bar that periodically shows up in the middle is? > > allen > -- > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > BTW, my diary is now being updated again > > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message > news:RFiS5.97067$65.954825@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > > allen I am having difficulty making is an "active" item...It doesn't > update > > properly. > > > > > I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty > good. > > > > It is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm > > > > > > > Windows (r) users can put it on the active desktop. I did. > > > > > > allen > > > Article 27785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001120232718.24678.00000716@ng-cd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Snow escape hole - newbie Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <6TAS5.98379$65.959381@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:25:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974838338 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:25:38 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:25:38 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27785 If they plug up the hole, then leave it plugged...It means they don't want it... If you try 3/4 inch though, they may stop plugging it up as it isn't a "crack" to be fixed anymore, but an actual and significant egress -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Blue Taz37 wrote in message news:20001120232718.24678.00000716@ng-cd1.aol.com... > The small problem here, Everytime I cut out of ventilation 5/8 hole. The bees > keep plug it up. The inner cover is seem pretty dry here in Va. which is most > like Dry cold air. > I bough Two way Temp. ( indoor and outdoor) with thin wire that had a Temp. > prong from Lowes and I put it inside the brood box. Today the temp. was reading > 42F. while the outdoor is 39F. > All this summer they were 8 to 10 degree higher than a normal Temp. It kinda of > quite fun. Article 27786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ud0ub$1imc0$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8vcuoq$4ci86$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Bee Cam Update Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:27:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974838430 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:27:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:27:10 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27786 Streaming video would be very interesting to watch. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. wrote in message news:zrxS5.1195$dy.53072@nnrp1.ptd.net... > The yellow bar is the top of a wood frame. > > Soon I should be able to offer streaming video, as we will have DSL by the > first of the year. > > Royal W. Draper > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > 800-233-4273 > www.draperbee.com > draperb@ptd.net > > "Allen Dick" wrote in message > news:8vcuoq$4ci86$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > You have to set the synchronization settings for the item and that is a > bit > > complicated. I'm happy if it just updates now and then. BTW, I wonder > what > > that yellow bar that periodically shows up in the middle is? > > > > allen > > -- > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > > BTW, my diary is now being updated again > > > > > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message > > news:RFiS5.97067$65.954825@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > > > allen I am having difficulty making is an "active" item...It doesn't > > update > > > properly. > > > > > > > I finally have the bee-cam on our observation hive working pretty > > good. > > > > > It is active all week from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm > > > > > > > > > > Windows (r) users can put it on the active desktop. I did. > > > > > > > > allen > > > > > > > > Article 27787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001120230830.24678.00000709@ng-cd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:23:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974838180 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:23:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:23:00 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27787 Apparently a lot fo people are taking a likeing to them...I can see why...I think I'll stick with the langstroths, but if I buy a new hive outright I might consider the TBH...You see, I give two brood chamber's to each hive anyway and the TBH would allow for easier manipulation of the frames since the hive body is about the same as two brood chambers side by side. TBHs seem interesting.... -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Blue Taz37 wrote in message news:20001120230830.24678.00000709@ng-cd1.aol.com... > > use Midnites in my TBH again in the spring of 2001. > > > > What up with TBH??? Thanks. > Tim Article 27788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:44:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8vemrr$56e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <9aeS5.97040$65.953667@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.25.227 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 21 20:44:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.25.227 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27788 Comb honey is great for chewing or even on toast but I don't recommend it in my afternoon tea as the wax is all scummy on the surface and not easy to clean off the side of the cup. Regarding eating wax, many of the confectionarys you buy at the store contain it so there should be no problem eating it. Tootsie Rolls etc. Also, use wax to help chocolate flow when dipping candies - Buckeyes, Jets, Oh MY! Yummy in my Tummy. Winnie T.P. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Article 27790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:49:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> <8vd12u$41j5f$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 974805784 nnrp-08:4833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27790 In article <8vd12u$41j5f$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de>, Allen Dick writes >> ...Pieces of combs >> constructed by Africanised (small cells) and pure Italian (large cells) snip >This demonstrates that a given number of varroa will tend to distribute >themselves such that _when given a choice_ they favour larger cells >available in a hive by a two to one ratio. One of our scientists said the same thing about this. >What the study appears to prove at first blush is that smaller cell size is >slightly effective against varroa. However if we examine the study more >carefully, we will see that it is not so definitive and that, moreover, the >effect demonstrated is quite slight. It's more grist to the mill. >When we factor in the likely fact that the interpretation of the results is >usually stated as accurate within some margin 95% of the time, and that >there is always a 5% chance that they are completely wrong, then I would >want stronger proof. Yes. Do you know of a study with more extensive data which brings out these factors - with other races? -- James Kilty Article 27791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: amrf7@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey wanted Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:13:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8vf6kf$j34$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.252.237.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 22 01:13:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.252.237.71 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDashraf777 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27791 In article , "Elroy Rogers" wrote: > I am looking for buckwheat honey or other types of honey, I already have > clover honey. If anyone has honey for sale contact me by email or leave > message here. > > I have a various kinds of honey, just detremmine the quantity you want, the price range if have, the countery you where you are, where do you want to recive the honey Ashraf Fouad Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Elroy Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey wanted Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:10:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 974826604 209.32.197.20 (Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:10:04 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:10:04 CST Organization: Onvoy Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27792 I am looking for buckwheat honey or other types of honey, I already have clover honey. If anyone has honey for sale contact me by email or leave message here. Article 27793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with City Administration Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:20:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 974906403 24.13.215.128 (Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:20:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:20:03 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:229 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27793 Hi beekeepers, I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. The director of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly (i.e. the bees in my back yard don't seek out neighbors to sting, and that unless you were looking at a hive entrance directly that you would never notice any increase in bee population.) Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. I would please encourage everyone to post information...the mor ethe merryer. Thanks greatly, -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Article 27794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Help with City Administration Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0qSS5.18558$xd3.1343434@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:23:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 974910204 63.20.67.33 (Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:23:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:23:24 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:230 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27794 Dear Scot, I'm sorry you're having this problem....proving once again that Hornets and Yellow Jackets are giving our Honeybees a bad reputation. I'll do some searches and post my findings as soon as I come up with them...Perhaps the National Honey Board can help you? Lucy "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message news:DuRS5.100024$65.962753@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > Hi beekeepers, > I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help > with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. > I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of > keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there > are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it > is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. The director > of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many > resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the > city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly > (i.e. the bees in my back yard don't seek out neighbors to sting, and that > unless you were looking at a hive entrance directly that you would never > notice any increase in bee population.) > > Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept > in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that > may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. > > I would please encourage everyone to post information...the mor ethe > merryer. > > Thanks greatly, > -- > -Scot Mc Pherson > -Ummm....Just Scot > > > > > > > Article 27795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Willard(Jack)" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with City Administration Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:17:26 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3A1C1BC6.71B1593B@waverly.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-980.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:231 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27795 I had two hives in a unfenced residental area in Jax Fl. for several years and never once were they any danger to anyone, children or adults. Its my opinion that you would have to be with in three feet of the hive entrance and then probably actual create some disturbance before they would actually attack. Many times I have actually opened the hives up without wearing any protection gear whatever and even then was not stung. I think honey bees are like a lot of other God's creatures, "respect them and they will return the same." ________________________________________________________________________________ Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > > Hi beekeepers, > I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help > with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. > I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of > keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there > are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it > is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. The director > of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many > resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the > city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly > (i.e. the bees in my back yard don't seek out neighbors to sting, and that > unless you were looking at a hive entrance directly that you would never > notice any increase in bee population.) > > Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept > in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that > may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. > > I would please encourage everyone to post information...the mor ethe > merryer. > > Thanks greatly, > -- > -Scot Mc Pherson > -Ummm....Just Scot Article 27796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <7oSS5.18550$xd3.1344876@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:21:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 974910083 63.20.67.33 (Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:21:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:21:23 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27796 Thank you all for the suggestions! There's no doubt about it...Beekeepers have Great Taste!!!! :-) Article 27797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Help with City Administration Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: <59VS5.24870$751.717938@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:30:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.248.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 974921409 24.128.248.123 (Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:30:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:30:09 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27797 "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message news:DuRS5.100024$65.962753@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > Hi beekeepers, > I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help > with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. > I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of > keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there > are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it > is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. Well, that's the primary point - the law does not forbid it. Case closed. If you want to help educate people, that's great. But start planning your colonies and warming the neighbors up to the idea. > The director > of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many > resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the > city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly I keep 4 colonies in a residential neighborhood. Most of the people around here did not realize that there were bees. Before I got any bees, I told my immediate neighbors that bees would be arriving and started talking up the benefits. They had an alarmed look at first, but we already had good relationships so they went along. A couple months after the bees arrived, one of my neighbors asked when the bees were coming! When I said they'd been here a while, she was quite surprised, having expected to be dodging bees daily. I keep them on the edge of some light woods, so the bees have to fly up over trees and brush to go anywhere - this avoids most interactions with people. I keep water in or near each hive in the summer to avoid having the bees decide that kiddie pools in the neighborhood are the best water source. If you live near good nectar sources that aren't in peoples' yards, they will very seldom see any significant numbers of bees. Be extra careful to prevent swarming, as the nice, calm neighbors may get a little upset at a 3-foot cloud of bees drifting through the yard or settling there. And share the honey... it smooths out many, many potential issues. :-) -Steve Article 27798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Nov 2000 20:08:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Help with City Administration Message-ID: <20001122150818.22200.00001243@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27798 From: "Scot Mc Pherson" behomet@hom_e.com >Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept >in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that >may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. Check urban and suburban references at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-4.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:18:58 -0700 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8vh9og$4f9js$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8v7j4s$kee$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-4.internode.net (198.161.229.180) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 974924371 4695676 198.161.229.180 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27799 > > I thought that some attractively packaged comb cassettes would sell > well. > I have the same problem now, I have a big quantity of comb honey, what > I found here that the best way you can sell it with is the direct > selling... I mentioned this to Lloyd Spear and he has a plan to help the many small and scattered producers (and large ones too) of Ross Rounds contact potential local and international customers via the web. Http://www.RossRounds.com is an active site and comes quite high on the search engines. Therefore he proposes to add a listing of local suppliers of RRs to that site for people searching the web to discover and contact direct. Here is his post to BEE-L offering that free service: If you are a producer of Ross Rounds(tm), and would like your email address and/or web site added to our web site, please send PRIVATELY: 1. The name you would like listed (apiary, your name, etc.) 2. Email address 3. Web address (if any) 4. If you produce in the US or Canada, your state or province. 5. If you produce outside the US, your country. We do not have a counter on our site, but based on inquiries I estimate our traffic is reasonably high. On any search engine I have tried we are listed at or near the top. Lloyd Mailto:Lloyd@rossrounds.com. Lloyd Spear Owner, Ross Rounds, Inc. The finest in comb honey production. Visit our web site at http://www.rossrounds.com. Article 27800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Help with City Administration Lines: 64 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 975004408 12.72.48.153 (Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:232 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27800 I am presuming that you are talking about 1 or 2 hives in your backyard. First, I strongly disagree with the "out of sight, out of mind" or "don't ask, don't tell" schools. You are not doing anything wrong, so why go about it an a subversive manner. Nothing will piss your neighbors off more than being deceived. You need to explain to your neighbors that you are going to start keeping bees and would appreciate it if they notify you if they are causing any problems. You do not mention any problems with the neighbors in your post so I assume the resistance is with the city. They can spout all they want but I would think that in the absence of an ordinance forbidding beekeeping, you are free to do so. They can still get you with various "nuisance laws" but for these to be invoked they must first become a nuisance. Of course, what constitutes a nuisance is very subjective. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote in message news:DuRS5.100024$65.962753@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com... > Hi beekeepers, > I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help > with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. > I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of > keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there > are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it > is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. The director > of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many > resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the > city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly > (i.e. the bees in my back yard don't seek out neighbors to sting, and that > unless you were looking at a hive entrance directly that you would never > notice any increase in bee population.) > > Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept > in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that > may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. > > I would please encourage everyone to post information...the mor ethe > merryer. > > Thanks greatly, > -- > -Scot Mc Pherson > -Ummm....Just Scot > > > > > > Article 27801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v7j4s$kee$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8vh9og$4f9js$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Lines: 18 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 975004407 12.72.48.153 (Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:33:27 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27801 Er...they're Hogg halfcomb cassettes. Thanks for the follow-up though. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8vh9og$4f9js$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > I mentioned this to Lloyd Spear and he has a plan to help the many small and > scattered producers (and large ones too) of Ross Rounds contact potential > local and international customers via the web. Article 27802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0324.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:18:59 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> <8vd12u$41j5f$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8ve1af$48ltt$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0324.nts-online.net (216.167.132.69) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975010741 5097382 216.167.132.69 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27802 >I think of cells like shoes. There is one right size for any individual. I >wear size 10-1/2 (Canadian). Jezz..the shoe analogy again. C.K. Article 27803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Grandisson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Homoeopathic Treatment Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:38:23 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27803 Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their bees homoeopathically for any disease or for Varroa etc. If so at what was used and at what potencies and fequency of appliacation and time of year? Any advice welcome Article 27804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 43 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Nov 2000 05:56:25 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Help with City Administration Message-ID: <20001123005625.02438.00000546@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27804 >Hi beekeepers, > I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help >with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. > I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of >keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there >are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it >is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. The director >of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many >resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the >city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly >(i.e. the bees in my back yard don't seek out neighbors to sting, and that >unless you were looking at a hive entrance directly that you would never >notice any increase in bee population.) > >Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept >in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that >may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. > I suppose the bottom line is that it is legal and you are within your rights. Some of your neighbors may or may not understand the nature of bees. Some people refuse to be educated and let fear control their minds. My policy is simply " Out of sight ..out of mind" We have 90 locations and have very little problems with houses neighboring our bee yards....until some cuts down trees or foliage between our yards and someones house..then the 40 hives that have been in the same spot for 22 years suddenly become and a problem. Either someone finally becomes aware or some new people move in to that area. For 10 years we had 40 hives sitting about 100 yards from a house. Now that they know they are there we have to move them. Some people are stubborn to remain ignorant. My suggestion is to put your hives in an out of the way place and tell no one. There may not be laws now, but all it takes is for a housewife with nothing but time to file motion after motion till finally you and your bees are out of there. "out of sight...out of mind" thats the 21st century beekeepers creed...or at least it should bee. Save the educating for the local markets and fairs and gradually work on the neighbors. Robert Williamson Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A1CC36A.237275D8@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with City Administration References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 60 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:12:42 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 974961244 208.235.28.10 (Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:34:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:34:04 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:233 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27805 Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > > Hi beekeepers, > I am having a little trouble that I hope you all may be able to help > with...Everyone's slight assistance would be GREATLY appreciated. > I have contacted my local city government regarding the legalities of > keeping bees within the city limits. I have been told that although there > are no laws specifically forbidding beekeeping within my zoned area, that it > is an inappropriate agricultural pursuit for residential zones. The director > of zoning made this statement off-handedly and I would like to find as many > resources, both on and off the net, that I could use to help educate the > city administration of the inherent safeness off bees when managed properly > (i.e. the bees in my back yard don't seek out neighbors to sting, and that > unless you were looking at a hive entrance directly that you would never > notice any increase in bee population.) > > Pointers to any and all material relating to bees kept in cities, bees kept > in residential areas, and the safeness off bees or any other material that > may even "seem" helpful would be most-most apreciated.. > > I would please encourage everyone to post information...the mor ethe > merryer. > > Thanks greatly, > -- > -Scot Mc Pherson > -Ummm....Just Scot Hey Scot, I can't relate to the situation you've described since I left the confines of town living *many* years ago - my neighbors celebrated my departure I'm sure. Out here where I live now, there are ugly rumors about the hoot owls and the chickens. I would think the best approach to your predicament would be "don't ask, don't tell". Find a discrete location on your property for the hive(s), don't paint them beehive white, and place a fence/barrier of some sort around the hive to force the bees up and away from people. Use the barrier for cover when suiting up so the neighbors don't get the notion you're running a toxic waste dump in your back yard. That something is not illegal is not in itself protection from a lawsuit. My advice is to get outta town! Then you can raise your bees, and maybe a few chickens to boot, without having to answer to nosy neighbors or a "director of zoning" (shudder) about an inappropriate agricultural pursuit . Don't waste your time "educating" these folks. Like the saying goes "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." AL Article 27806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:29:51 -0700 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8vk5p2$4t9mp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8v7j4s$kee$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8vh9og$4f9js$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975018596 5154521 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27806 How do you like the cassettes? I've heard mixed reviews. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Er...they're Hogg halfcomb cassettes. Thanks for the follow-up though. > > I mentioned this to Lloyd Spear and he has a plan to help the many small > > scattered producers (and large ones too) of Ross Rounds contact potential > > local and international customers via the web. Article 27807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v7j4s$kee$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8vh9og$4f9js$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8vk5p2$4t9mp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Lines: 41 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:26:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 975022002 12.72.205.247 (Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:26:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:26:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27807 I am still in the experimental phase. Most of them ended up with a net wt of 10.5 - 11 oz. I think fully drawn, they are about net 12 oz. FWIW, I did not crowd the bees which would probably result in a slightly fuller cassette. They had already filled 2 drawn mediums above a QX and I just put the cassettes above those. They had no hesitancy in working the cassettes. We always have a strong flow in the summer when the Star Thistle flowers. I think the advantages they have over the rounds are: 1. More weight/super at about 40 x 12 oz vs. 40 x 8 oz 2. No assembly required, you just drop them in Next year I am going to try the rounds so I have a comparison. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8vk5p2$4t9mp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > How do you like the cassettes? I've heard mixed reviews. > > allen > -- > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > > Er...they're Hogg halfcomb cassettes. Thanks for the follow-up though. > > > > I mentioned this to Lloyd Spear and he has a plan to help the many small > > > scattered producers (and large ones too) of Ross Rounds contact > potential > > > local and international customers via the web. > > Article 27808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mariemellett@aol.comSPAMTRAP (Marie Mellett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Nov 2000 09:18:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: A Hive the Size of a Car? Message-ID: <20001123041803.12663.00001387@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27808 I recently caught the tail end of a news broadcast about a park somewhere, that had to be evacuated because of a huge wild hive that was discovered. The words they used was "as big as a car." Has anyone else hard this news item? I am also wondering how long would it take a colony to build such a monster hive? TIA! Article 27809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed.fast.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: barrycode@aol.com (BarryCode) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Nov 2000 16:57:35 GMT References: <20001123041803.12663.00001387@ng-ce1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A Hive the Size of a Car? Message-ID: <20001123115735.23142.00001294@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27809 The wild colony that the news broadcast was refering to was yellowjackets. That is why the extra precaution was taken. They had a pest control guy come in at night and eliminate them. Barry Article 27810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Comb Honey Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:07:28 -0700 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8vkphv$4v2to$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <8v7j4s$kee$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8vh9og$4f9js$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8vk5p2$4t9mp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975038848 5213112 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27810 > I think the advantages they have over the rounds are: > 1. More weight/super at about 40 x 12 oz vs. 40 x 8 oz I thought of that as a disadvantage, since gift buyers (at least) are probably not buying by weight, but by the item and gift value, so -- past a point -- the extra honey is wasted. Gift marketing is all about price point. Workable gift prices are quantized, and hitting between price points confuses everyone. $5 is a strong resistance level and you can get it regardless of the amount of value in the product -- if the gift meets the perceived need. Then the next point up is around $7.5 to $8 and if you add too much input, you have to go up there and compete in a tougher market, for no net gain. > 2. No assembly required, you just drop them in I like that feature. > Next year I am going to try the rounds so I have a comparison. We'll be waiting for your comments, (and then you can advertise for free on Lloyd's site). allen Article 27811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees with damaged wings. Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:45:45 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8vkqsj$aki$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4d.21 X-Server-Date: 24 Nov 2000 04:30:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27811 Hello all I am new to Bee keeping, this is my first year. I live in the middle Georgia area.(USA) Today I noticed a few bees on the ground in front of the hive with damaged wings. Are they just old and worn out bees or is it possible some other problem? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. David A. Article 27812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ua1iu$8c2$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <1ubk0tgqtvqmvij9km21gc2hb5qimg6rqp@4ax.com> <610n0t865k563aa21l9662iliunf5mgms2@4ax.com> <8vd12u$41j5f$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8ve1af$48ltt$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: 4.9 cell size?? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:11:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 975039064 198.161.229.188 (Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:11:04 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:11:04 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27812 > >I think of cells like shoes. There is one right size for any individual. I > >wear size 10-1/2 (Canadian). > > Jezz..the shoe analogy again. Seemed like a good fit to me. allen Article 27813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mariemellett@aol.comSPAMTRAP (Marie Mellett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Nov 2000 11:52:03 GMT References: <8vkqsj$aki$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees with damaged wings. Message-ID: <20001124065203.15579.00000780@ng-ma1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27813 I am not a beekeeper, but I seem to recall reading an article a few months back about this. Evidently when they emerge from their larval stage, there is a brief window of time for their wings to to stretch out and dry from the "crumpled" stage. If they do not emerge out within enough time, part of the wing, that has hit he air, begins "drying" and taking shape while the other unexposed part hasn't had a chance to. The end result is mishappen wings. I don't think this was in regards to bees, but another type of insect, but perhaps it would explain it? Article 27814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees with damaged wings. Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:47:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A1E635F.F6EEFDC7@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8vkqsj$aki$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27814 Yes, they could be old bees, or it could be signs of varroa infestation. You should investigate further. But, unfortunately since you keep bees, varroa will come to stay sooner or later. Kent Article 27815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Nov 2000 09:43:06 GMT References: <7oSS5.18550$xd3.1344876@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Message-ID: <20001124044306.02514.00000529@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27815 I like to spread it on very HOT toast. It's great--don't need butter. As others, I get a spoonful now and then for energy, and I love chewing on the wax. You can use it on ham and many other HOT items to which it will give a real nice flavor. Lamp chops, pork dishes, etc. Buzzylee Article 27816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Homoeopathic Treatment Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1vRT5.6008$7.168970@quark.idirect.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:09:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 975168573 206.130.189.241 (Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:09:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:09:33 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27816 There is information here http://www.beeworks.com/EssentialOils.htm Also here http://www.hereintown.net/~rnoel/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Grandisson" wrote in message news:t1qvnad3duluf4@corp.supernews.co.uk... > Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their bees homoeopathically > for any disease or for Varroa etc. > If so at what was used and at what potencies and fequency of appliacation > and time of year? > Any advice welcome > > > Article 27817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Homoeopathic Treatment Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:05:04 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8vpglc$k1u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-168.barium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 975193580 20542 62.136.47.168 (25 Nov 2000 23:06:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Nov 2000 23:06:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27817 "Grandisson" wrote in message news:t1qvnad3duluf4@corp.supernews.co.uk... > Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their bees homoeopathically ------------------------------------------------- This was posted 6 November: See Bee Craft - October 2000 "Wilf Baker" wrote in message news:8tppi9$kao$1@supernews.com... > Has anyone in the UK any experience of treating their Bees homoeopathically > for mite infestation or disease. If so advice on remedies, potency.method > and frequency of application would be appreciated > > Wilf Article 27818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:10:09 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-168.barium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 975193816 20710 62.136.47.168 (25 Nov 2000 23:10:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Nov 2000 23:10:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27818 "Matthew" wrote in message news:9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com... > Has anyone dipped a fair amount of woodenware and found a good design > for heating wax to 180'F degrees? -------------------------------------------------------- I posted this in February: I used a galvanised water tank set on blocks in the garden, 2 cwt of wax, a good fire underneath (anthracite) and an old vacuum cleaner on blow to get the fire going (rather like a blacksmith's forge). Wax needs to be at about 310F - too cold and you simply coat the boxes in wax. At this temperature it is like frying chips. Give the boxes 1 minute the allow to drain. Water is expelled by the heat and the wax is totally absorbed leaving the boxes dry and looking as though they have not been treated - however water simply runs off them in droplets. No need to paint - I treated a couple of hundred boxes about 15 years ago and then are still like new. Good project for an association, as you can treat boxes at great speed once everything is set up. Wear thick rubber gloves to protect hands from splashes of hot wax. Have a lid for the tank to smother it if the wax catches fire - happened to me a couple of times but the flames simply flickered around the surface of the wax and were easily extinguished (I had fire extinguishers ready but they were OTT!) Article 27819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: candle makin' and beeswax Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:16:43 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8vu5g5$18b$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup64.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 975345989 1291 209.23.15.64 (27 Nov 2000 17:26:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2000 17:26:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27819 Hi all, I have more crude beeswax than I know to do with. I'd like to try my hand at making candles this winter. Can someone recommend some books I should read? Can someone tell me how to render small amounts of beeswax (4-5lbs.) at time other solar wax melters( they don't work at this time of year). How about a crock pot with water in it then filled up with wax? What should I use to filter this wax? Any other advise you can think would be nice. Thanks. Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY Article 27820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:57:14 -0700 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8vrbrr$4umt2$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975254204 5200802 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27820 > > Has anyone dipped a fair amount of woodenware and found a good design > > for heating wax to 180'F degrees? > I used a galvanised water tank set on blocks in the garden, 2 cwt of wax, a > good fire underneath (anthracite) and an old vacuum cleaner on blow to get > the fire going (rather like a blacksmith's forge).... I described my setup on BEE-L, and maybe here too, some time back. Others have included their comments, including a mention of adding resin to the wax. Check the BEE-L archives at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ There's lots of fascinating stuff there and it is relatively accessible to searches compared to the sci.agriculture.beekeeping archive. I also have a sci.agriculture.beekeeping Deja.com archive search at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm, but I notice that the results are a bit spotty. Nonetheless, both these links may find you lots of good stuff. allen My diary is working again. http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ Article 27821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Nefertari" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:54:30 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8vuost$2s9$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <8vu0hk$qcv$1@cedar.ggn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.indium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 975365853 2953 62.136.40.104 (27 Nov 2000 22:57:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2000 22:57:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65030 rec.crafts.brewing:246249 rec.food.historic:23326 rec.org.sca:309863 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27821 She Devil With A Rubber Chicken wrote in message <8vu0hk$qcv$1@cedar.ggn.net>... >In article <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de>, >Allen Dick wrote: >>> Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? >> >>Probably not. >> >>I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- >>mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? >> >>And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? > >I am aware of it, and I am on the list. But I still would not mind >if a mead-only group existed, and I would read it. ditto Julia Article 27822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle makin' and beeswax Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:12:22 -0500 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8vuirh$hct$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <8vu5g5$18b$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27822 Hi: Try reading BeesWax Crafting by Robert Berthold. Contact Wicwas Press ljconnor@aol.com for details. Keith Article 27823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:29:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 975374991 24.163.160.238 (Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:29:51 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:29:51 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65042 rec.crafts.brewing:246278 rec.food.historic:23328 rec.org.sca:309881 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27823 "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? > > Probably not. > > I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- > mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? > > And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? > > allen The Mead Lover's Digest is a wonderful resource and I will continue to subscribe to it. I believe a Usenet newsgroup would be a good complement. Christopher Hadden Article 27824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%jEU5.6752$7.205942@quark.idirect.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:59:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 975376763 209.212.62.63 (Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:59:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:59:23 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27824 A gallon of water weights 10 lbs! So I always used the equivalent amount of sugar. Heat the water to boiling point, then pour half over the sugar and stir, when the temp drops add the second batch of water to finish. I never have a problem using this method. You might visit our site, there is feeding info there. http//:www.beeworks.com/Feeding.htm Regards Dave.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jim Sharp" wrote in message news:4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net... > After some really poor management decisions, I'm faced > with feeding my couple hives through our short Texas > winter. > > I'm having such a tough time making syrup. I know it's > 1:1 for spring stimulative feeding and 2:1 for heavy fall > feeding, but I confused by "volume" term. I get sugar > by the pound and water by the gallon... ? > > I have five gallon container. How many pounds of sugar > do I use to make 5-gallons of heavy syrup? I tried 50 llbs > and that made some heavy syrup, but I had about a foot > of solid sugar in the bottom that fell out of solution. > > I'm guessing water in first then pour the sugar in and stir? > Or the other way around? I've been using hot water. > > Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make > 5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? > > Ya think this would be simple! > Thanks > Jim > Dallas, TX USA > > > Article 27825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:45:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 975285955 24.163.160.238 (Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:45:55 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:45:55 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65055 rec.crafts.brewing:246311 rec.food.historic:23330 rec.org.sca:309907 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27825 The question of having a newsgroup dedicated to mead making has surfaced on several occasions in rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.brewing. Before issuing a formal Request for Discussion (RFD), Shane and I would like to take an informal straw poll to see how much support there is for such a group across all applicable groups. Initial discussion in rec.crafts.brewing and rec.crafts.winemaking has been positive. Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? Please e-mail your reply to Shane or myself. Regards, Christopher Hadden (chadden@contecrayon.com) Shane Hultquist (for_vidar@hotmail.com) Article 27826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A21C222.284B1724@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:08:34 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 975288626 208.235.28.126 (Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:30:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:30:26 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27826 I have your earlier post filed away for safe keeping and was hoping you might respond to this thread so I could get more details. What size/shape tank are your using? How do the boxes fit in the tank - are they totally immersed or do you have to rotate them to treat each side? What is the size/weight/price of 2cwt of wax, how many deeps can be treated and what is your source for the wax? Have you by any chance treated boxes that have been stripped & cleaned using the lye dipping method described by Kevin (aka The Big Johnson)? AL Peter Edwards wrote: > > "Matthew" wrote in message > news:9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com... > > Has anyone dipped a fair amount of woodenware and found a good design > > for heating wax to 180'F degrees? > -------------------------------------------------------- > > I posted this in February: > > I used a galvanised water tank set on blocks in the garden, 2 cwt of wax, a > good fire underneath (anthracite) and an old vacuum cleaner on blow to get > the fire going (rather like a blacksmith's forge). > > Wax needs to be at about 310F - too cold and you simply coat the boxes in > wax. At this temperature it is like frying chips. Give the boxes 1 minute > the allow to drain. Water is expelled by the heat and the wax is totally > absorbed leaving the boxes dry and looking as though they have not been > treated - however water simply runs off them in droplets. > > No need to paint - I treated a couple of hundred boxes about 15 years ago > and then are still like new. > > Good project for an association, as you can treat boxes at great speed once > everything is set up. > > Wear thick rubber gloves to protect hands from splashes of hot wax. > > Have a lid for the tank to smother it if the wax catches fire - happened to > me a couple of times but the flames simply flickered around the surface of > the wax and were easily extinguished (I had fire extinguishers ready but > they were OTT!) Article 27827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sugar Syrup?? Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:01:30 -0600 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <8vsf9r$jb8@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Nov 26 20:01:31 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !_m>g4F\LFcA+\b (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27827 After some really poor management decisions, I'm faced with feeding my couple hives through our short Texas winter. I'm having such a tough time making syrup. I know it's 1:1 for spring stimulative feeding and 2:1 for heavy fall feeding, but I confused by "volume" term. I get sugar by the pound and water by the gallon... ? I have five gallon container. How many pounds of sugar do I use to make 5-gallons of heavy syrup? I tried 50 llbs and that made some heavy syrup, but I had about a foot of solid sugar in the bottom that fell out of solution. I'm guessing water in first then pour the sugar in and stir? Or the other way around? I've been using hot water. Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make 5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? Ya think this would be simple! Thanks Jim Dallas, TX USA Article 27828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "Frederic Hugo Meyering" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:41:26 +0930 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.149.162 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 975387604 139.134.149.162 (Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:00:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:00:04 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65061 rec.crafts.brewing:246316 rec.food.historic:23332 rec.org.sca:309915 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27828 "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message news:jUDU5.23041$pw2.2305419@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... > "Allen Dick" wrote in message > news:8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? > > > > Probably not. > > > > I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- > > mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? > > > > And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? > > > > allen > > The Mead Lover's Digest is a wonderful resource and I will continue to > subscribe to it. I believe a Usenet newsgroup would be a good complement. > > Christopher Hadden > > Here Here Fred Article 27829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-4.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:34:09 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-4.internode.net (198.161.229.196) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975296070 5773265 198.161.229.196 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65067 rec.crafts.brewing:246326 rec.food.historic:23333 rec.org.sca:309917 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27829 > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? Probably not. I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? allen Article 27830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-4.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:30:40 -0700 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8vskk0$5m844$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <3A21C222.284B1724@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-4.internode.net (198.161.229.196) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975295937 5972100 198.161.229.196 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27830 > What size/shape tank are your using? I think the Auzzies or the Kiwis use a tank that is like a tunnel. The tunnel is designed so that the beginning area is shallow, the middle portion is below the surface of the wax, and the far end rises up again. They heat the middle with a torch. Boxes are pushed into one end and each one shoves the next one along a bit. As the boxes travel along the tunnel, they are submerged for a while, then rise out of the wax and drain before being pulled out and stacked. Apparently, at the moment of emerging, latex paint will bond well. Maybe the NZ ministry has a publication on this. Seems to me I have a copy somewhere. It'd be 20 years old, tho'. allen Article 27831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feed.newsreader.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Julie Subject: Re: candle makin' and beeswax X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.102.154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A240AA6.CE4EC037@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <8vu5g5$18b$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:42:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27831 I use a crock pot. I turn it high enough to get everything all nice and runny then I pour it through an old sweatshirt to filter it (fuzzy side where the junk gathers) and let it fall into a bowl of cool water. Let the wax harden and there ya go. While the hot wax is in the crock pot its also real easy to spoon off the stuff. It floats and gathers in big chunks. This makes things easier when trying to filter it. huestis wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have more crude beeswax than I know to do with. I'd like to try my hand > at making candles this winter. Can someone recommend some books I should > read? Can someone tell me how to render small amounts of beeswax (4-5lbs.) > at time other solar wax melters( they don't work at this time of year). How > about a crock pot with water in it then filled up with wax? What should I > use to filter this wax? Any other advise you can think would be nice. > Thanks. > > Clayton Huestis > Crown Point, NY Article 27832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:55:00 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 37 Message-ID: <9019mu$75h$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.bar-en-danwedh.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 975448606 7345 62.136.135.182 (28 Nov 2000 21:56:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:56:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65075 rec.crafts.brewing:246340 rec.food.historic:23337 rec.org.sca:309935 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27832 Frederic Hugo Meyering wrote in message news:oZGU5.145176$e5.83249@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > > "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message > news:jUDU5.23041$pw2.2305419@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... > > "Allen Dick" wrote in message > > news:8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? > > > > > > Probably not. > > > > > > I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- > > > mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? > > > > > > And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? > > > > > > allen > > > > The Mead Lover's Digest is a wonderful resource and I will continue to > > subscribe to it. I believe a Usenet newsgroup would be a good complement. > > > > Christopher Hadden > > > > > Here Here > Fred Where, where? Mary > > Article 27833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Julie Subject: Re: Question from Newbie X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.113.102.154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A240F57.BBA02791@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Yes, I work. X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001128102830.11708.00001129@ng-mb1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:02:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27833 The honey is on the frames in the honeycomb. The process of removing the honey from the frame is called extraction. It is typically done by spinning the frame and centrifugal force slings the honey out of the comb. This is not something that is done in the field. So, you transport they honey in the frame (which is in a hive box) to an extractor (either one you own, borrow, rent or find someone that has one). The honey is then extracted and caught usually in 5 gallon buckets. The empty frame is returned to the hive box and later reused. Marie Mellett wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes > > I am wondering, ( and I know this sounds awfully dumb, but ) , when you pull > honey from a hive, what is it on? A frame? And then, where do you put it to > transport it back? Article 27834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Herb: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:08:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <901ack$hbi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 28 22:08:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27834 In article <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>, "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > Herb, > Where do you live? I live in Sarasota. > Hi Scot! Just got back here and found your question. Fort Walton Beach. It's between Pensacola and Panama City. And BTW in the central time zone which is something the media forgot on election night. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8v8mr5$c3e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> <901ack$hbi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Herb: Re: Comb Honey-What IS the proper way to eat? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:39:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 975451149 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:39:09 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:39:09 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27835 Ah yes...Now you need to file a private suite for a recount. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot wrote in message news:901ack$hbi$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <67eS5.97039$65.953678@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>, > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > > Herb, > > Where do you live? I live in Sarasota. > > > Hi Scot! Just got back here and found your question. > > Fort Walton Beach. It's between Pensacola and Panama City. And BTW in > the central time zone which is something the media forgot on election > night. > > Herb > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Contol with Apicure Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:26:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <901beh$ibi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.169.101.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 28 22:26:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.169.101.17 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27836 In article , Frayed_Ends wrote: > SGFzIGFueW9uZSBhY3R1YWxseSB1c2VkIHRoaXMgcHJvZHVjdCwgd2hpY2ggSSB0aGluayBp cyBm > b3JtaWMgYWNpZD8NCkhvdyBkb2VzIGl0IHBlcmZvcm0gdnMuIHNheSBBcGlzdGFuIG9yIENo ZWNr > TWl0ZT8gIFdoZXJlIGNhbiB5b3UgZ2V0DQppdD8NCg== > WHAT????? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:31:51 -0600 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5C3AA47C3B83B4E0.2C60DDDB7F6C7C9D.8465500F2E751804@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <901mal$987@library2.airnews.net> References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> <3a238f3f.12873321@news.inet.fi> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Nov 28 19:32:05 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![S(34F\KDVWgFN (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27837 What a great site! Thanks! Jim "Seppo Korpela" wrote in message news:3a238f3f.12873321@news.inet.fi... > "Jim Sharp" wrote: > > > >Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make > >5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? > > For calculations like this you can use: > > http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/info/convert.htm#sugarmix2 > > For your 5 gallons this calculator returns: > 30.392 pounds of sugar and 3.0899 gallons of water Article 27838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dipping Woodenware - Ideas on design? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:04:55 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 71 Message-ID: <8vtf6k$ca9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9bg51tghm5buvmrtg5rheupqk0q4scooq8@4ax.com> <8vpgso$k76$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <3A21C222.284B1724@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-117.einsteinium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 975323156 12617 62.136.69.117 (27 Nov 2000 11:05:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2000 11:05:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27838 "AL" wrote in message news:3A21C222.284B1724@midwest.net... > What size/shape tank are your using? It is simply an old galvanised cold water tank about 2' x 2 ' x 2' that I happened to have handy (the sort that is used as a header tank for a hot water system - they would be plastic these days). How do the boxes fit in the tank - > are they totally immersed or do you have to rotate them to treat each > side? They can be immersed completely (put next one on top to hold down the one being treated). British National brood boxes are 18 1/8" square by 8 3/4" deep so I kept the wax about 10-12" deep to allow plenty of headspace; I think that this probably helps with the fire risk as the wax is very unlikely to boil over and there is probably less air available if it does catch fire. What is the size/weight/price of 2cwt of wax, how many deeps can > be treated and what is your source for the wax? No idea on price these days - mine came from British Wax Refiners and cost £85.10 in 1989 (I have just looked it up in the accounts!) - but I am sure that you would have little difficulty finding a source; perhaps try a candle making company. One point, the wax was available in a choice of two melting points - the higher is best. I was probably running 40 or so hives at the time and treated everything - floors, brood boxes (one per hive), supers (3-4 per hive), roofs and half a dozen nuc boxes. I still have quite a lot of wax left in the tank. > > Have you by any chance treated boxes that have been stripped & cleaned > using the lye dipping method described by Kevin (aka The Big Johnson)? No - the boxes need to be a dry as possible, otherwise they will need to be dipped longer to expel the water - and the water boiling off could cause the wax to foam up in the tank; the last thing that you want to do is to seal moisture in. We simply scraped off excess propolis. I would never paint boxes (wood always seems to rot under paint and white hives are a bit too visible to vandals), so the boxes really needed very little preparation. Important points: Location - I set up at the end of the garden where it would not have mattered if there had been a serious fire; Fire precautions - heavy lid for the tank, hose to damp down the fire used as a heat source (not to be sprayed on to hot wax in the tank!!!), CO2 fire extinguisher if you want to be really sure; All boxes very dry; Supers can be treated first and then used to house colonies while the broods are treated; Min temperature 310F or you will simply coat the boxes in wax; Set the tank up very carefully, ideally on fireproof bricks. It is best to try to insulate the tank with more bricks as it is surprising the amount of heat that is required. Remember that you will not be able to move or adjust anything once you start! It is useful to have at least two people - one to dip and the other to fetch and carry; you can work very fast once everything is up to temperature. Remember that any plastic components (eg. frame runners) will have to be removed first or they will melt; metal is best in this case. Article 27839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:30:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 975331814 24.13.215.128 (Mon, 27 Nov 2000 05:30:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 05:30:14 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27839 Its volume...water is much heavier that sugar and you would never me able to get the sugar into solution with at 4:1 ratio let alone 1:1 if you were using weight 1:1 1 gal sugar : 1 gal water -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Jim Sharp wrote in message news:4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net... > After some really poor management decisions, I'm faced > with feeding my couple hives through our short Texas > winter. > > I'm having such a tough time making syrup. I know it's > 1:1 for spring stimulative feeding and 2:1 for heavy fall > feeding, but I confused by "volume" term. I get sugar > by the pound and water by the gallon... ? > > I have five gallon container. How many pounds of sugar > do I use to make 5-gallons of heavy syrup? I tried 50 llbs > and that made some heavy syrup, but I had about a foot > of solid sugar in the bottom that fell out of solution. > > I'm guessing water in first then pour the sugar in and stir? > Or the other way around? I've been using hot water. > > Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make > 5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? > > Ya think this would be simple! > Thanks > Jim > Dallas, TX USA > > > Article 27840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle makin' and beeswax Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:49:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <901ucc$1j3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8vu5g5$18b$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3A240AA6.CE4EC037@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.32.113.132 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Nov 29 03:49:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.32.113.132 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27840 I am planning to do the same thing and have been playing about how to work withthe wax. Problem with crock pot is cleaning afterwards. Plan to use disposable aluminum pans to melt the wax in and then strain through nylon hose into water. Figure any honey or stuff that makes it through the strainer will sink to bottom of water while wax floats. Tried melting wax in freezer bag in microwave. Melts great but bag leaked. Julie wrote: > I use a crock pot. I turn it high enough to get everything all nice and > runny then I pour it through an old sweatshirt to filter it (fuzzy side > where the junk gathers) and let it fall into a bowl of cool water. Let > the wax harden and there ya go. > > While the hot wax is in the crock pot its also real easy to spoon off > the stuff. It floats and gathers in big chunks. This makes things > easier when trying to filter it. > > huestis wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have more crude beeswax than I know to do with. I'd like to try my hand > > at making candles this winter. Can someone recommend some books I should > > read? Can someone tell me how to render small amounts of beeswax (4-5lbs.) > > at time other solar wax melters( they don't work at this time of year). How > > about a crock pot with water in it then filled up with wax? What should I > > use to filter this wax? Any other advise you can think would be nice. > > Thanks. > > > > Clayton Huestis > > Crown Point, NY > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.good.net!news.ggn.net!redsonja From: redsonja@liii.com (She Devil With A Rubber Chicken) Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: 27 Nov 2000 16:01:56 GMT Organization: Gillette Global Network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8vu0hk$qcv$1@cedar.ggn.net> References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ggn.net X-Trace: cedar.ggn.net 975340916 27039 198.207.193.5 (27 Nov 2000 16:01:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ggn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2000 16:01:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65106 rec.crafts.brewing:246387 rec.food.historic:23341 rec.org.sca:309972 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27841 In article <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de>, Allen Dick wrote: >> Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? > >Probably not. > >I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- >mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? > >And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? I am aware of it, and I am on the list. But I still would not mind if a mead-only group existed, and I would read it. -- "You know you're a geek when you log onto IRC | Do not CD c so you can tell your friend halfway across the | taunt --------P===\==/ country which HTML hex code to use for the | happy fun /_\__ color of your wedding dress." -- Me | fencer! _\ \ Article 27842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Frayed_Ends Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Contol with Apicure Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:47:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27842 SGFzIGFueW9uZSBhY3R1YWxseSB1c2VkIHRoaXMgcHJvZHVjdCwgd2hpY2ggSSB0aGluayBpcyBm b3JtaWMgYWNpZD8NCkhvdyBkb2VzIGl0IHBlcmZvcm0gdnMuIHNheSBBcGlzdGFuIG9yIENoZWNr TWl0ZT8gIFdoZXJlIGNhbiB5b3UgZ2V0DQppdD8NCg== Article 27843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle makin' and beeswax Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:00:17 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 57 Message-ID: <9032o9$3vc$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <8vu5g5$18b$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <3A240AA6.CE4EC037@NOTaol.com> <901ucc$1j3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup60.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 975507017 4076 209.23.15.60 (29 Nov 2000 14:10:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 2000 14:10:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27843 The reason for using a crock pot is so the wax isn't exposed to flames, thus not burning the house down. Cleaning the crock pot really well won't be necessary since it will not be used for anything else. If I use a crock pot should there be water in it( an inch or two) so honey and debris will settle into it. Then the wax could be laddled through sweatshirt material into clean half gallon milk cartons. When wax is solid just peel off the milk carton and you have nice 4 pound blocks of wax. What do you think about the water in the crock pot? Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? wrote in message news:901ucc$1j3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I am planning to do the same thing and have been playing about how to > work withthe wax. Problem with crock pot is cleaning afterwards. Plan > to use disposable aluminum pans to melt the wax in and then strain > through nylon hose into water. Figure any honey or stuff that makes it > through the strainer will sink to bottom of water while wax floats. > Tried melting wax in freezer bag in microwave. Melts great but bag > leaked. > Julie wrote: > > I use a crock pot. I turn it high enough to get everything all nice > and > > runny then I pour it through an old sweatshirt to filter it (fuzzy > side > > where the junk gathers) and let it fall into a bowl of cool water. > Let > > the wax harden and there ya go. > > > > While the hot wax is in the crock pot its also real easy to spoon off > > the stuff. It floats and gathers in big chunks. This makes things > > easier when trying to filter it. > > > > huestis wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have more crude beeswax than I know to do with. I'd like to try > my hand > > > at making candles this winter. Can someone recommend some books I > should > > > read? Can someone tell me how to render small amounts of beeswax > (4-5lbs.) > > > at time other solar wax melters( they don't work at this time of > year). How > > > about a crock pot with water in it then filled up with wax? What > should I > > > use to filter this wax? Any other advise you can think would be > nice. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Clayton Huestis > > > Crown Point, NY > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Frayed_Ends Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Contol with Apicure Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:13:16 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <901beh$ibi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27844 SSBjb3VsZCBub3QgcmVhZCB0aGUgbWVzc2dlIGZyb20gMnNtYXJ0MmxhdGUuICBIb3cgZG8gSSBk ZWNvZGUgb3INCnVuc3JhbmJsZSBpdD8gIE9uIFR1ZSwgMjggTm92IDIwMDAgMjI6MjY6MzMgR01U LA0KMnNtYXJ0MmxhdGVAbXktZGVqYS5jb20gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj5JbiBhcnRpY2xlIDxhczM1MnQ0 amZnM2l0Zjh0c2IwbmVncjRsZTBkNnNwc2toQDRheC5jb20+LA0KPiAgRnJheWVkX0VuZHMgPEZy YXllZF9FbmRzQGhvdG1haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCj4+DQo+U0dGeklHRnVlVzl1WlNCaFkzUjFZ V3hzZVNCMWMyVmtJSFJvYVhNZ2NISnZaSFZqZEN3Z2QyaHBZMmdnU1NCMGFHbHVheUJwDQo+Y3lC bQ0KPj4NCj5iM0p0YVdNZ1lXTnBaRDhOQ2todmR5QmtiMlZ6SUdsMElIQmxjbVp2Y20wZ2RuTXVJ SE5oZVNCQmNHbHpkR0Z1SUc5eUlFTm8NCj5aV05yDQo+PiBUV2wwWlQ4Z0lGZG9aWEpsSUdOaGJp QjViM1VnWjJWMERRcHBkRDhOQ2c9PQ0KPj4gV0hBVD8/Pz8/DQo+DQo+DQo+U2VudCB2aWEgRGVq YS5jb20gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5kZWphLmNvbS8NCj5CZWZvcmUgeW91IGJ1eS4NCg0K Article 27845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey House Cleaning Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <158V5.62003$DG3.1191578@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:07:57 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-nZYHzsAIrOIjlyT04xTEW2vAZdYMQsuT2pi6zqIuy2Iwf0+kDaB3QRRoL6IHhN3UFy3CiYqMlyfqYAX!KNAsvKYN/QQlqkkLepAAbHjE X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:07:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27845 Hello Everyone, I'm in the process of building a honey house with the usual equipment; extractor, uncapper, various tanks, and a bottler. My question is..., how do you clean the equipment, tanks, etc... and keep the Health Dept. happy. The one around here (west Texas) wants everything cleaned with 171 degree hot water. Are there other ways other than extremely hot water? Thanks for your help. Mark Article 27846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A239B99.EA25FC54@montana.com> From: Erik Joramo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> <8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:48:41 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.4.229.220 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 975407343 208.4.229.220 (Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:29:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:29:03 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65118 rec.crafts.brewing:246436 rec.food.historic:23346 rec.org.sca:310005 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27846 I would also like to point out in addition to the mead lovers digest yahoo has a club devoted to meadmaking http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/meadmakers I welcome the new usenet group should it get created. Lord Niall Logan (SCA) Erik Joramo (EVERYDAY) Frederic Hugo Meyering wrote: > "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message > news:jUDU5.23041$pw2.2305419@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... > > "Allen Dick" wrote in message > > news:8vsko5$5g5uh$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? > > > > > > Probably not. > > > > > > I assume everyone is aware of the Mead Lovers Digest -- > > > mead-request@talisman.com , now in its 830th issue? > > > > > > And their archive at www.talisman.com/mead ? > > > > > > allen > > > > The Mead Lover's Digest is a wonderful resource and I will continue to > > subscribe to it. I believe a Usenet newsgroup would be a good complement. > > > > Christopher Hadden > > > > > Here Here > Fred Article 27847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.deepthot.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!loops.cs.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!wiscnews.wiscnet.net!not-for-mail From: Trevor Hyde Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:01:02 -0600 Organization: Wiscnet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3A23AC8E.EB25E807@Marquette.edu> References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: net-152-118.dhcp.mcw.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wiscnews.wiscnet.net 975416397 23694 141.106.152.118 (28 Nov 2000 12:59:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@wiscnews.wiscnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2000 12:59:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65119 rec.crafts.brewing:246437 rec.food.historic:23347 rec.org.sca:310006 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27847 I would definetely use a newsgroup devoted to meadmaking. I tend not to use digests. Trevor Article 27848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!freenix!codeine.org!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle makin' and beeswax Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:26:13 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 46 Message-ID: <903pa8$ei5$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <8vu5g5$18b$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.151.204 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27848 Ok folks lets add my two-penny worth. I regularly process small quantities of wax to make candles and wax blocks for the non-beekeepers to buy. YOUR SHOPPING LIST Your partner's nice clean kitchen with cooker (preferably a gas one); A sheet of greaseproof or baking paper or an old baking sheet; A saucepan of water; A thick walled earthen ware jug that pours cleanly (test it first with water); Cleanish beeswax, If you have access to a solar wax extractor - excellent; METHOD Put as much wax as you need plus a bit more (much more if the wax is dirty) into the jug; Put the jug in the saucepan of water; Put the saucepan on the cooker and bring to a rolling boil; Stir the wax occasionally with a disposable stirrer until the wax is dissolved; Prepare your mould and set it onto the greaseproof or baking paper or old baking sheet Lift the jug, wipe the bottom and pour the wax carefully into the mould. NOTES TO TAKE NOTICE OF DON'T put the jug into the boiling water or it's goodbye jug; DON'T clean-up any spills onto the kitchen work top until the spill is stone cold, then use a flat blade scraper. You could be sneaky and spray a little silicone furniture polish onto the worktop before you pour if you want to risk it; The thick walled jug will keep the wax fluid for several minutes; Careful pouring will leave most of the debris at the bottom of the jug, make sure you remove any "floaters" first; If you want to strain the wax then use medical grade lint (furry side up) pegged over a wire coat hanger in the shape of a miniature tennis racket; The more times you heat the wax the paler and more insipid it gets. As I said at the beginning, I regularly pour candles using this method without any mess or fuss, the thick-walled jug is the secret of avoiding mess and grief from your partner. Take your time and enjoy what you are doing. A good mould is worth its weight in beeswax - but that's the subject of a whole set of messages in the future. Good luck. Regards Nick Article 27849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A new tratment for Varroa? Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:33:06 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.151.204 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27849 I bumped into an old beekeeping friend recently who told me that someone had developed a new treatment against Varroa. He went on to say that it looked like a picture pin or in the UK a drawing pin, one of the fancy sort with a plastic body. This pin is driven into the edge of a frame and work by slowly releasing an agent that interfered with the Varroa's reproductive cycle. I've been watching the bee press for an announcement but without success - hence this mail. Any ideas what he was referring to folks? Thanks Nick PS With some trepidation I have to say that the poor chap had just recovered from a bout of mental illness... Article 27850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A new tratment for Varroa? Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:00:35 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Message-ID: References: <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 975532009 nnrp-04:9056 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27850 In article <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>, Nick writes >I bumped into an old beekeeping friend recently who told me that someone had >developed a new treatment against Varroa. > >He went on to say that it looked like a picture pin or in the UK a drawing >pin, one of the fancy sort with a plastic body. This pin is driven into the >edge of a frame and work by slowly releasing an agent that interfered with >the Varroa's reproductive cycle. Nothing mad about it. This treatment (name escapes me for the moment ) is being developed and marketed by Vita (possibly in collaboration with others). It is a secondary treatment rather than a primary one and is pheromone based and interferes with the breeding pattern of varroa. Does not kill it, but hampers the exponential population growth, leaving less varroa to deal with for your primary treatment regimes. Contact Max Watkins at Vita and he will give you all the details you are seeking. ( max.watkins@vita.demon.co.uk ) -- Murray McGregor Article 27851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mariemellett@aol.comSPAMTRAP (Marie Mellett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Nov 2000 15:28:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Question from Newbie Message-ID: <20001128102830.11708.00001129@ng-mb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27851 x-no-archive: yes I am wondering, ( and I know this sounds awfully dumb, but ) , when you pull honey from a hive, what is it on? A frame? And then, where do you put it to transport it back? Article 27852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: A new tratment for Varroa? Lines: 36 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:37:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 975537457 12.72.41.111 (Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:37:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:37:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27852 What is a picture/drawing pin, or is it "pen"? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Nick" wrote in message news:903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com... > I bumped into an old beekeeping friend recently who told me that someone had > developed a new treatment against Varroa. > > He went on to say that it looked like a picture pin or in the UK a drawing > pin, one of the fancy sort with a plastic body. This pin is driven into the > edge of a frame and work by slowly releasing an agent that interfered with > the Varroa's reproductive cycle. > > I've been watching the bee press for an announcement but without success - > hence this mail. Any ideas what he was referring to folks? > > Thanks > > Nick > > PS With some trepidation I have to say that the poor chap had just recovered > from a bout of mental illness... > > Article 27853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Nov 2000 17:40:24 GMT References: <20001128102830.11708.00001129@ng-mb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Question from Newbie Message-ID: <20001128124024.24666.00002196@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27853 >when you pull >honey from a hive, what is it on? A frame Extracted honey is pulled by the bigger operators in whole boxes of frames and by the smaller guys one or two frames at a time. Usually you use an empty super or box to carry the frames. Tom Article 27854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees with damaged wings. Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:40:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <901c8q$j85$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8vkqsj$aki$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.109 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 28 22:40:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.109 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27854 > "David" wrote: > Today I noticed a few bees on the ground in front of the hive with >damaged wings. Are they just old and worn out bees or is it possible >some other problem? ****************************************************** Howdy David -- You can bet you are seeing bees damaged by the Varroa mites. These damaged bees have UNdeveloped wings and the body is fuzzy as young bees are. Old worn out bees are dark and shiny (bald) and the wings are fully developed but are frayed and broken along the edge. Consider it Varroa. Pete So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> <%jEU5.6752$7.205942@quark.idirect.com> Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:19:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.229.19.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 975395947 24.229.19.86 (Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:19:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:19:07 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27855 David Eyre wrote in message news:%jEU5.6752$7.205942@quark.idirect.com... > A gallon of water weights 10 lbs! So I always used the equivalent amount of > sugar. > A US gallon of water (H2O) weighs 8.3303 lbs @60°F @ 1 Atmosphere. Just my 2½ ¢ worth. Article 27856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Seppo.Korpela@mtt.fi (Seppo Korpela) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Message-ID: <3a238f3f.12873321@news.inet.fi> References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:59:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.208.146.48 X-Trace: read2.inet.fi 975409161 193.208.146.48 (Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:59:21 EET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:59:21 EET Organization: Sonera corp Internet services Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news.wineasy.se!newsfeed.wineasy.se!news.clinet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!newsfeed2.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news2.cc.tut.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!uutiset.saunalahti.fi!levitin.saunalahti.fi!nntp.teliafi.net!nntp.inet.fi!central.inet.fi!inet.fi!read2.inet.fi.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27856 "Jim Sharp" wrote: >Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make >5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? For calculations like this you can use: http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/info/convert.htm#sugarmix2 For your 5 gallons this calculator returns: 30.392 pounds of sugar and 3.0899 gallons of water Article 27857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 33 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Nov 2000 13:32:42 GMT References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Message-ID: <20001128083242.23891.00001817@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27857 From: "Jim Sharp" jps@ticnet.com >After some really poor management decisions, I'm faced >with feeding my couple hives through our short Texas >winter. > >I'm having such a tough time making syrup. (snip) If you have a warm, open weather period, you may do just fine feeding syrup. But you are far enough north, so you could have a real cold spell, and it could prove disastrous. One of the biggest problems for bees in cold weather, when they are not flying and do not even occupy the entire hive, is getting rid of water. And feeding syrup this late, just adds more water to get rid of. It is a lot safer at this time of year to put a 1 1/2 to 2 inch rim right over the cluster, lay down an excluder and a couple layers of newspaper, then fill with dry sugar. Moisture rising from the bees will provide all the water they need. They will lick, then chew the dampened newspaper and then begin to consume it. Each morning the sugar will be damp, if not wet, from the overnight condensation. By feeding dry sugar in early winter you solve two problems at once rather than create an additional one. You feed them and you help them get rid of excess water. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Kerrs" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.winemaking,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Straw poll: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:48:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.92.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 975556085 24.113.92.129 (Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:48:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:48:05 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.crafts.winemaking:65195 rec.crafts.brewing:246536 rec.food.historic:23366 rec.org.sca:310118 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27858 I would use it. "Christopher Hadden" wrote in message news:79iU5.20057$pw2.2071295@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net... > The question of having a newsgroup dedicated to mead making has surfaced on > several occasions in rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.brewing. Before > issuing a formal Request for Discussion (RFD), Shane and I would like to > take an informal straw poll to see how much support there is for such a > group across all applicable groups. Initial discussion in > rec.crafts.brewing and rec.crafts.winemaking has been positive. > > Would you read or use a newsgroup devoted solely to mead making? Please > e-mail your reply to Shane or myself. > > Regards, > > Christopher Hadden (chadden@contecrayon.com) > Shane Hultquist (for_vidar@hotmail.com) > > Article 27859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Longy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New beekeeping add system Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:12:25 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <905k0m$m2e$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-2-231.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 975590230 22606 193.253.230.231 (30 Nov 2000 13:17:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2000 13:17:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27859 Hi at www.beehoo.com you can use a new system of beekeeping adds , in english and in french. You can post adds in differents category : jobs , beekeeping equipment , hives produces , events , services... This new system is a partnership between BeeHoo and Bees-ness So, you can visit our new beekeeping showroom. If your site is not in www.beehoo.com , contact me , and i will add your site for free in www.beehoo.com the wolrd's beekeeping directory. Best regards see you soon at Beehoo Article 27860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Syrup?? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:59:43 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 58 Message-ID: <906j48$95m$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net> <%jEU5.6752$7.205942@quark.idirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-79.brandir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 975622088 9398 62.136.141.207 (30 Nov 2000 22:08:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2000 22:08:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27860 Why boil the water - it costs money and probably uses fossil fuel - increasing global warming. Cold water is fine if you agitate the mix for 10 - 15 mins. Even if you use electricity to d this, it will still use a lot less energy than heating the water. "David Eyre" wrote in message news:%jEU5.6752$7.205942@quark.idirect.com... > A gallon of water weights 10 lbs! So I always used the equivalent amount of > sugar. > Heat the water to boiling point, then pour half over the sugar and > stir, when the temp drops add the second batch of water to finish. I never > have a problem using this method. > You might visit our site, there is feeding info there. > http//:www.beeworks.com/Feeding.htm > Regards Dave.... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Bee Works. > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 > http://www.beeworks.com > 705 326 7171. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Jim Sharp" wrote in message > news:4E3A8557B1A2B450.0DC352BE26A8C9A1.BCF6AFE678599182@lp.airnews.net... > > After some really poor management decisions, I'm faced > > with feeding my couple hives through our short Texas > > winter. > > > > I'm having such a tough time making syrup. I know it's > > 1:1 for spring stimulative feeding and 2:1 for heavy fall > > feeding, but I confused by "volume" term. I get sugar > > by the pound and water by the gallon... ? > > > > I have five gallon container. How many pounds of sugar > > do I use to make 5-gallons of heavy syrup? I tried 50 llbs > > and that made some heavy syrup, but I had about a foot > > of solid sugar in the bottom that fell out of solution. > > > > I'm guessing water in first then pour the sugar in and stir? > > Or the other way around? I've been using hot water. > > > > Just for the record - how many pounds of sugar to make > > 5 gallons of 1:1 syrup? > > > > Ya think this would be simple! > > Thanks > > Jim > > Dallas, TX USA > > > > > > > > Article 27861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A new tratment for Varroa? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:04:08 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 11 Message-ID: <906j49$95m$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-79.brandir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 975622089 9398 62.136.141.207 (30 Nov 2000 22:08:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2000 22:08:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27861 "Murray McGregor" wrote in message news:U6gP2hAz5WJ6EwYs@denrosa.demon.co.uk... > In article <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>, Nick > This treatment (name escapes me for the moment ) Pherovar - my understanding is that it is (or will be when they get it right) a small plastic plug impregnated with the pheromone. Article 27862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A new tratment for Varroa? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:07:04 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 10 Message-ID: <906j4a$95m$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <903pme$g7c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-79.brandir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 975622090 9398 62.136.141.207 (30 Nov 2000 22:08:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2000 22:08:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27862 "George Styer" wrote in message news:RyfV5.1767$2P3.135513@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > What is a picture/drawing pin, or is it "pen"? Drawing pin or thumb tack - you may have another term for it. It is a pin, perhaps 1/4 inch long with a disc shaped head, again about 1/4 inch across. Used to pin things to walls, pin boards etc. and pushed in with the thumb. Article 27863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: propolus in car seat X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:29:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27863 Group, Anyone have any good ideas as how to get propolis off of cloth car seats? thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 27864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!clgrtnt3-port-100.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolus in car seat Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:02:52 -0700 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <906prq$6fir$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt3-port-100.dial.telus.net (161.184.46.100) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 975628989 212571 161.184.46.100 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27864 Alcohol or Fantastik(r) are two things we've found work on propolis. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > Anyone have any good ideas as how to get propolis off of cloth car > seats? Article 27865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Willard(Jack)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolus in car seat Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:11:54 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3A2708EA.31B83DDB@waverly.net> References: <3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-333.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27865 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > > Group, > > Anyone have any good ideas as how to get propolis off of cloth car > seats? > > thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II _______________________________________________________________________________--- You might try mineral spirts, brush and something for soaker up.As I think it is a solvent for propolis. Jack Article 27866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: propolus in car seat Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 03:15:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 975640541 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:15:41 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:15:41 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27866 ice -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Billy Y. Smart II wrote in message news:3A26B8AB.2539060E@nospam.boeing.com... > Group, > > Anyone have any good ideas as how to get propolis off of cloth car > seats? > > thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */