Article 33701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5542a326.0210140237.6eb01a0b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: how can i export or sell my honey to european countries or other countries Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:27:17 +0100 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.68 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.68 Message-ID: <3dc21ec7$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1036132039 212.166.131.68 (1 Nov 2002 07:27:19 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!news.airtel.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33701 The honey from Oman, Aden, etc. has only a 4% of water, versus 20 % normally over here. The producction per "hive" is only 1/2 to 2 kilos per hive. There is no langstroth... but clay, old fashion. If you want to see a hive the same than the one used in Muscate, look at http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/Abeja104.htm , the first image is a hive, a tuve made of clay. The source of the honey is quite diferent, since the vegetation. Basically a different world. We exported small quantities of high grade monofloral honey to countries in the Indic shore, and gulf emirates we hve the experience since it is not simple. Best wishes from Mallorca, Jose Matas "Peter Edwards" escribió en el mensaje news:aps9g3$4o8$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > I have to ask why. Honey generally sells for a much higher price in Arabic > countries than it does in Europe - perhaps 3 to 4 times as much. > > "farid" wrote in message > news:5542a326.0210140237.6eb01a0b@posting.google.com... > > i am a beekeeper and live in iran. i have good honey and i wanna to > > sell and export them to a country in european community or others.i > > don't have sufficient information about it please help about it. > > Article 33702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:55:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1036169739 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:55:39 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:55:39 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33702 Hey BIG Orange what are you talking about? Please leave this group and don't offend other beekeepers. We don't like your crap! "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net... > > forwarding his/her posts to abuse@tds.net should get to the right people > > who can decide if their TOS is being violated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rick > > Hey Rick, are you a nerd? Were you the kid in school that always had on the > tattle tail? I don't think the posts violates and TOS for any ISP's. People > like you are what makes it hard for Admins to weed out real problems. They > are not there to mediate silliness. > > > BiG Orange > > Article 33703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC2DA8D.73BEDCF0@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:48:29 -0800 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.219 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1036171899 66.20.225.219 (1 Nov 2002 11:31:39 -0600) Lines: 16 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!l-out.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33703 Beeguy wrote: > > Hey BIG Orange what are you talking about? Please leave this group and don't > offend other beekeepers. > We don't like your crap! > Aw man, don't you guys ever learn - DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!! AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:55:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1036169739 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:55:39 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:55:39 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33702 Hey BIG Orange what are you talking about? Please leave this group and don't offend other beekeepers. We don't like your crap! "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net... > > forwarding his/her posts to abuse@tds.net should get to the right people > > who can decide if their TOS is being violated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rick > > Hey Rick, are you a nerd? Were you the kid in school that always had on the > tattle tail? I don't think the posts violates and TOS for any ISP's. People > like you are what makes it hard for Admins to weed out real problems. They > are not there to mediate silliness. > > > BiG Orange > > Article 33703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC2DA8D.73BEDCF0@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:48:29 -0800 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.219 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1036171899 66.20.225.219 (1 Nov 2002 11:31:39 -0600) Lines: 16 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!l-out.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33703 Beeguy wrote: > > Hey BIG Orange what are you talking about? Please leave this group and don't > offend other beekeepers. > We don't like your crap! > Aw man, don't you guys ever learn - DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!! AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:55:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1036169739 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:55:39 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:55:39 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33702 Hey BIG Orange what are you talking about? Please leave this group and don't offend other beekeepers. We don't like your crap! "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> wrote in message news:0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net... > > forwarding his/her posts to abuse@tds.net should get to the right people > > who can decide if their TOS is being violated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rick > > Hey Rick, are you a nerd? Were you the kid in school that always had on the > tattle tail? I don't think the posts violates and TOS for any ISP's. People > like you are what makes it hard for Admins to weed out real problems. They > are not there to mediate silliness. > > > BiG Orange > > Article 33703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC2DA8D.73BEDCF0@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:48:29 -0800 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.219 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1036171899 66.20.225.219 (1 Nov 2002 11:31:39 -0600) Lines: 16 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!l-out.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33703 Beeguy wrote: > > Hey BIG Orange what are you talking about? Please leave this group and don't > offend other beekeepers. > We don't like your crap! > Aw man, don't you guys ever learn - DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!! AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> <3DC2DA8D.73BEDCF0@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <0eEw9.10581$ko1.1904651@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:36:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1036193788 24.159.179.14 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:36:28 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:36:28 CST Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33704 > Aw man, don't you guys ever learn - DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!! > > AL I was about starved to death until I found you dumb ole beekeepers. BiG Orange Article 33705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC32B63.760FF9CA@foobatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Web Site Nominated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 References: <3DC08751.6BB9C104@foo.batnet.com> <0ymw9.9443$ko1.1723266@kent.svc.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:33:23 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1036200900 209.239.173.174 (Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:35:00 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:35:00 PST Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33705 BiG Orange > Hey Rick, are you a nerd? That would be a "no". :) It is a long outdated thought that anyone who has some slight idea as to how the Internet works is a "nerd". I hear even children can do it these days ;) > I don't think the posts violates and TOS for any ISP's. People > like you are what makes it hard for Admins to weed out real problems. They > are not there to mediate silliness. IF anyone feels the need to complain, then the tds.net admins can make the decision as to whether your posts violate their harassment policy. Silly as your posts are they are still intended to cause hurt and thus provoke a reaction. You should be pleased that I've followed up. You have achieved something today. Cheers, Rick Article 33706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC3547A.A77D5311@bulldognet.com> From: "David C. Heinsohn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> <3dbc4a4b.8343792@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:28:42 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.240.130.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1036211627 199.240.130.148 (Sat, 02 Nov 2002 04:33:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 04:33:47 GMT Organization: NTT/Verio Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33706 beekeep wrote: > Just imagine the Amish beekeepers. They don't were white or use > zippers! > > beekeep Can't they use nice leather laces to close the gap to something less than bee space?? David -- People sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf......George Orwell. Article 33707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Ross McTaggart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BiG Trolls and TV shows Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <7rRw9.10910$h_4.1687458@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.67.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1036247875 216.208.67.185 (Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:37:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:37:55 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33707 The TV shows that no one watches, well, they go away. the magazines no one buys, similarly stop being published. The cars no one buys............................... The posters that no one responds to, they go too! If you keep responding, then he will keep posting. And no matter how upset you are with him, your well meaning rebuttal stream of electrons just fuels his fire. John. Article 33708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BiG Trolls and TV shows Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:50:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3dc41051.168511240@news1.radix.net> References: <7rRw9.10910$h_4.1687458@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip146.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33708 On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:59 -0500, "John Ross McTaggart" wrote: >The TV shows that no one watches, well, they go away. the magazines no one >buys, similarly stop being published. The cars no one >buys............................... > >The posters that no one responds to, they go too! > >If you keep responding, then he will keep posting. And no matter how upset >you are with him, your well meaning rebuttal stream of electrons just fuels >his fire. > >John. > > To make thinks even worse, when you argue with a fool the bystanders usually can't tell which is which. beekeep Article 33709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7rRw9.10910$h_4.1687458@news20.bellglobal.com> Subject: Re: BiG Trolls and TV shows Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 21:07:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1036271278 24.159.179.14 (Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:07:58 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:07:58 CST Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33709 "John Ross McTaggart" wrote in message news:7rRw9.10910$h_4.1687458@news20.bellglobal.com... > The TV shows that no one watches, well, they go away. the magazines no one > buys, similarly stop being published. The cars no one > buys............................... > > The posters that no one responds to, they go too! Eh, and then comes a dumb Canadian beepkeeper to stir the pot again and add some meat to it! BiG Orange Article 33710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BiG Orange" <@tds.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DBC1E99.3C9B8515@bulldognet.com> Subject: Re: A Lesson Learned Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 23:38:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.179.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1036280333 24.159.179.14 (Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:38:53 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:38:53 CST Organization: TDS.NET Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!172.16.10.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!e06f65eb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33710 Dude that is not funny, it can make you go sterile! Article 33711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ricinger@aol.com (rich dyan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: polyandry in the genus apis Date: 2 Nov 2002 15:55:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.93.48.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036281325 22305 127.0.0.1 (2 Nov 2002 23:55:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2002 23:55:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33711 Hello, I'm new to this area, having just started an MSc. in wildlife biology, after 10 years working in industry. I've just completed part of my first essay, on polyandry in honey bees, and am a bit confused about the role of diploid male production and the evolution of polyandry in this genus. Can anybody help! Article 33712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: polyandry in the genus apis Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:59:40 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.110 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1036284250 203.54.9.110 (Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:44:10 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 11:44:10 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33712 i certainly haven't a B Sc or M Sc so if you mean drone layers or other common events in beekeeping then ask you question a little more simply for me anyway barry metz "rich dyan" wrote in message news:df3bfcd4.0211021555.6c234405@posting.google.com... > Hello, > I'm new to this area, having just started an MSc. in wildlife > biology, after 10 years working in industry. I've just completed part > of my first essay, on polyandry in honey bees, and am a bit confused > about the role of diploid male production and the evolution of > polyandry in this genus. Can anybody help! Article 33713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need some honey Date: 3 Nov 2002 18:50:45 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.246 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1036349445 6305079 216.167.143.246 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.246!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33713 hi, I would like to buy 5 maybe 10 (depending on sample) gallons of honey (if it is still shippable by UPS) in 5 gallon pails. I would need a sample to taste and see colour I prefer mixed brush south texas or desert types of honey, but I like clover too I would also like to know if the bees were treated with any chemicals, and what they were. thanks, C.K. p.s. remove an r from the public address displayed if you wish to write directly, otherwise post a reply to the list. Article 33714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: regulations@aphis.usda.gov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Stop The NEXT Varroa Mite Date: 3 Nov 2002 16:43:14 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 128 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-906.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 4.00 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.148.52.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33714 A team of us in the USA need 30 seconds of your time to help protect bees worldwide from the "next varroa", whatever that might turn out to be. Please send an e-mail before Nov 18, to: . regulations@aphis.usda.gov with the subject: . Docket No. 98-109-1 Please ask them to: . Extend the comment period to Jan 31, 2003 Please include your name and snail-mail postal address (they require it). That's it. You need do nothing more. You need not even read further, unless you are either interested, or not convinced that this is worth 30 seconds of your time. If you were really nice, you could forward this to your local beekeeper group's mailing list to insure that beekeepers are alerted to a request for comments. We all know how much beekeepers like to express their opinions, don't we? :) Anyone can do this. One need NOT be a US citizen to express an opinion on this issue to the US Government and be recognized as a valid contributor to the process. (Of course, US citizens are certainly encouraged to send a message to their own government.) Why take 30 seconds of your day to do this? Because this may be the first you have even heard of this, and you need to understand this, and be able to express your opinion. A very serious precedent is being set that "lowers the bar" on pest and disease control in "World Trade", and thus will have impact on other countries, not just the USA. (It also certainly has impact on more than bees.) Regardless of your view of "World Trade" as a "good" or "bad" idea, you very likely will agree that no one needs more diseases or pests killing their beehives. What's happening? Bees from overseas are being considered as "imports" by the USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), and they are being arm-twisted into agreeing that not even random port-of-entry inspections, tests, and record-keeping are required for such shipments. But this is NOT about one country exporting bees to another!!!! And this is NOT about "trade", "protectionism", or anything else. This is ONLY about disease control. This is about the right of a country to take reasonable steps to verify that bees (and other live animals) are free of diseases and pests before they get "into the ecosystem". Precedents like this one could result in YOUR country being forced into this approach as the "accepted norm", and being prevented from taking reasonable steps to protect the spread of pests and diseases. That's the way "World Trade" seems to work - the lowest standards often become the worldwide standards. You may not care about this issue at all, but we still need your help so that SOMEONE has the time to slog through the pile of paperwork and explain it to those who do care. In August, the USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) announced a plan to allow imports of honey bees in the form of queens and packages. But there are NO inspections in the plan! No testing or monitoring, either. Not even "statistical samples" taken. Nothing. The deadline for "comments" is Nov 18th, 2002 unless extended by public demand. An extension is needed because it became clear in a public hearing that: a) Only a handful of beekeepers are aware of this b) Those that are aware of it do not yet understand it fully c) Even APHIS clearly does not understand the implications d) Some of the citations and references they offer as "science" are not even published papers, and have not been reviewed by anyone outside APHIS. ...and some time is needed to gather some facts, and educate APHIS about just how many diseases and pests plague us now, and how many more could come here unless inspections are at least an optional part of the process. This is a very strange proposal from an agency with "Inspection" in its name. Don't blame APHIS - they are clearly being pressured by the current "administration". The biggest problem is that the proposals are complex, and there appear to be some assumptions made by APHIS that are incorrect, and some conclusions not supported by the current consensus we call "science". The proposed "rule making" is here, in both plain text, and pdf. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?bname=2002_register&docid=02-20941-filed http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?bname=2002_register&docid=02-20941-filed.pdf (And no, you can't use google or altavista to translate to English, this IS what passes for English in US government documents.) The "pest risk assessment" documents in their current form can be found here, if you like slogging through pages of gibberish. (Warning - the server is very slow at times. It may take several tries to get the documents.) http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/pra/honeybees/ Thanks! Article 33715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry References: <8cmv9.32643$Mb3.1396626@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Stop the extinction... 402 Lines: 88 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.174.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net 1036375185 12.231.174.89 (Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:59:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:59:45 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:59:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:70444 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33715 sci.agriculture.fruit:4354 sci.agriculture.poultry:40837 TOO SHAE!!!! I agree many close friends nearly lost their farms over the last 2 summers becuse of enviromental kooks like this!!!! They were not alowed water from a resevore that ( man made resevore) the US government promised them in writing that they would have garenteed warter. Many of these farmers started Farming in the Klamith Basin post WWII and for many years they have been ver prosperouse... but the plight of the small farmer has always been borrow big in the spring and pay back in the fall... So when these tree huggers found out a fish that is not native to the Klamath basin was in the resevore they decided that it may die off if the water level droped any more and got the EPA to shut down access.... I support conservation and being responsable with God's resources but not at the expense of a mans living.... just to be kind and not long winded I won't even mention the Spotted owl thing.. or the green toad that stole my grandmas house after she lived there for over 60 years! Brian Salem Oregon "Thirsty Viking" wrote in message news:8cmv9.32643$Mb3.1396626@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > hmmm... got to love these half formed propaganda pieces. > > What species is GUARANTEED extinction because of the 4000, square meter area > around the mine? > or is it a small minnow from one of the proposed small dams to prevent > flooding? > > What is the assumption here... pollution? destruction of habitat? > > Maybe a wild grass only found here? Details.... please... or go away. > I am assuming the .5 million + pounds from the company to be spent by local > environment groups is unable to save this species? > http://www.mcleaninternationalmining.com/pages/press.htm > > Before I send email to a company about what they are doing I need far more > details than you bothered to give. Since it is a UK company, mining in > the UK, isn't this mostly a problem for the UK? Not that I am unconcerned > if there are legitimate concerns here.... but I certainly can't tell that > in the blurb you posted. And you didn't give any links to places with more > complete information. > > John > > > > wrote in message > news:dy9v9.7288$xX6.4790@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... > > Please read this itll only take you a minute - it could be your local area > next...! > > The corporations are at it again, this time focussing their attentions on > a small part of the SW of England. A large international mining company > claims to have found platinum in the UK and in their quest for money are > going to extinquish at least 1 species from our planet. Butterflies, birds, > small mammals, fish and even some plants are at risk from extinction if this > corporate monster is not stopped. > > > > Please, please, please send as many emails as you can to register your > views at info@mcleaninternationalmining.com - like i said, it could be your > area next... > > > > Thanks > > Harry > > P.A.W.E > > > wtfxyypuifivbssvpwguryfnrlnnckfwhjdumblcertxmkvcycnfsetflvgkfqtkbbfkzjvyldlo > okfxbnjegbnojyceyerztdgl > > > > Article 33716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: polyandry in the genus apis Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:00:30 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-172.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33716 While I had to look up the definitions to get an idea of what you are wanting. I entered the words "polyandry diploid" in a Google search and several articles appeared regarding the subject. It is strange how the males are basically brothers of the other bees and will (maybe) mate with a sister or mother. I never understood why animals require genetic diversity or they have problems while insects seem to do well with cloning. Patrick Dugan "rich dyan" wrote in message news:df3bfcd4.0211021555.6c234405@posting.google.com... > Hello, > I'm new to this area, having just started an MSc. in wildlife > biology, after 10 years working in industry. I've just completed part > of my first essay, on polyandry in honey bees, and am a bit confused > about the role of diploid male production and the evolution of > polyandry in this genus. Can anybody help! Article 33717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundations Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.231.174.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc54 1036375339 12.231.174.89 (Mon, 04 Nov 2002 02:02:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 02:02:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 02:02:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc54.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33717 I am looking into using Plastic foundations next year in my suppers... I see many differnt types and price ranges and even colors...... Can anyone tell me about your preferances and experiances. also if you know of outlets were I can save some money that would be nice too.... PS. Im in the USA.... Brian Salem Oregon USA Article 33718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee & equipment auctions From: Nick Organization: Twentyone Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/05.08.12 Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:10:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.31.190.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk 1036411828 62.31.190.33 (Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:10:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:10:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!wanadoo.fr!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33718 Hello Everyone Has anyone any experience of organising a bee and equipment auction? Any ideas on the best time of year, venue, auction fees, payment methods as well as tips and wrinkles? Thanks Nick Article 33719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: polyandry in the genus apis Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:48:37 -0500 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1036421319 7246267 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33719 While males only receive 1/2 of mom's genes, while females get 1/2 plus sperm from one or more donors, the males are not clones. Just as the females do not all receive the exact same 1/2 set of genes from the queen and the diversity coming from the males. So, you get genetic diversity even within a hive. However, since males only got the queen's genetic input, all sperm from a single drone will be identical (only got the 1/2 set to donate). Now, if you want to talk about Cape Bees, where workers (unfertilized females) are able to lay fertilized eggs with exact clones of their genetic material, that is another matter (since, as you know, most workers can only lay drone eggs -- no sperm to provide the other 1/2 set of genetic material needed for female eggs). There are many good books out on the subject, such as The Hive and the Honey Bee, which should cover the basics pretty well. Karen "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:aq4kcf$gcn$1@ins22.netins.net... > While I had to look up the definitions to get an idea of what you are > wanting. I entered the words "polyandry diploid" in a Google search and > several articles appeared regarding the subject. It is strange how the > males are basically brothers of the other bees and will (maybe) mate with a > sister or mother. I never understood why animals require genetic diversity > or they have problems while insects seem to do well with cloning. > > Patrick Dugan > > > "rich dyan" wrote in message > news:df3bfcd4.0211021555.6c234405@posting.google.com... > > Hello, > > I'm new to this area, having just started an MSc. in wildlife > > biology, after 10 years working in industry. I've just completed part > > of my first essay, on polyandry in honey bees, and am a bit confused > > about the role of diploid male production and the evolution of > > polyandry in this genus. Can anybody help! > > Article 33720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC6A5B5.4E997BDB@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:52:05 -0800 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.87 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1036420510 66.20.225.87 (4 Nov 2002 08:35:10 -0600) Lines: 25 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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West Texas Mark > Hello Everyone > > Has anyone any experience of organising a bee and equipment auction? > Any ideas on the best time of year, venue, auction fees, payment methods > as well as tips and wrinkles? > > Thanks > > Nick Article 33722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: polyandry in the genus apis Date: 4 Nov 2002 10:10:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3dc68de4$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.24.215 X-Original-Trace: 4 Nov 2002 10:10:28 -0500, 141.219.24.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33722 KOland wrote: > While males only receive 1/2 of mom's genes, while females get 1/2 plus > sperm from one or more donors, the males are not clones. Just as the > females do not all receive the exact same 1/2 set of genes from the queen > and the diversity coming from the males. So, you get genetic diversity even > within a hive. > However, since males only got the queen's genetic input, all sperm from a > single drone will be identical (only got the 1/2 set to donate). In fact, the way I like to think about bee genetics is this: queens are functional hermaphrodites, and when you breed bees you are basically breeding one queen with another queen. It is just that the sperm are really big, fly under their own power, and are called "drones". -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 33723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee & equipment auctions Date: 4 Nov 2002 17:06:46 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.228 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33723 On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:10:28 GMT, Nick wrote: >Hello Everyone > >Has anyone any experience of organising a bee and equipment auction? >Any ideas on the best time of year, venue, auction fees, payment methods >as well as tips and wrinkles? > >Thanks Bee & equiptment auctions are almost always held in the spring. Hives are easier to move then and you know how well they wintered (ie. you don't have to depend on someone elses preparations). I've seen them run with the bees and equiptment at one location or bees and equiptment at two separate, but nearby locations. Running the auction from one location is generally not a problem unless you have a lot of hives. One aution I addended had 800 hives and equiptment at one location. They were not a happy bunch of bees. Other thing to note, Strong populous hives sell for considerably more than those that don't look so well even though where I'm located early spring strength can vary considerably and still yield the same amount of honey (our honey crop is mid to late summer). So if I were to sell I would feed late winter to stimulate brood production. Can't comment on price/fees and us customs would not likely help you much in the uk. -Tim Article 33724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3DC6E324.9030908@yahoo.com> From: nospam User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a few Qs re returning to bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:14:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.69.158.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1036444462 66.69.158.235 (Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:14:22 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:14:22 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33724 Hi All, When I was a kid we used to have a hive of bees in the back yard. We had them for about 5 years but lost them one winter about 30 years back - I was about 15. Anyway, I am in Hyooston, TX and was wondering what ever happened to the 'killer bees'? They were all the news about 10 years ago and had invaded TX but I can't say I have ever heard anything more about them. They were supposedly going to wipe out beekeeping as we know it but this doesn't seem to have happened - thank God! All I want is a small hive to give me enough honey for me and my family but because I live in a dense neighborhood, I don't want anybody (myself included) to one day make the unpleasant discovery that my hive has turned into the 'killer bees.' Could I have a hive behind my house without fear of this happening? Does anybody here have a preferred beekeeping supplier here in Hou, TX? Anybody favored for online supplies? There was an older fellow who lived on the east side of Memorial park who is probably passed on by now. He was a very nice guy. He once took me on a trip out to the countryside to spend an afternoon helping him with some of his hives. I wasn't much help to him but enjoyed going out with him. There was also a nice older lady I think in the Spring Branch area (her name was Payne? Payton?) who I know must have passed on by now. If anybody here knows about them I would enjoy hearing anything you know. Meanwhile I'll probably bump into some other beekeeper in town here who might know about them. I can't say I ever met a beekeeper I didn't like - not that I met that many of them though! Thanks Article 33725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:47:42 -0600 From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3DC6E324.9030908@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: a few Qs re returning to bees Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:47:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 69 X-Trace: sv3-1mvPQ055d0IkQ4ohA9XhwLq2fb0x7o1XJii+/yj3iJZRCRWPLuN9u+zUgmh5MaDiLN1rsm1S7ILWW6m!VrTpo6pdjYlYVHOAQs8ECPe+2O8R7PK8v3xjiB+mzw0xCU3fVXvQiCkhNJUTr2ZGxGos2w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@Xroadtxs.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33725 Hello Hyooston, I think this info will help you on your way. 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Box 362 Crockett, TX 75835 phone: 409-544-3975 - queens Article 33726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:41:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Help Stop The NEXT Varroa Mite Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:43:23 +1300 From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <051120021543235056%user@host.domain> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 5 Nov 2002 15:41:37 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz Lines: 39 X-Trace: sv3-fD2XAEB/dxJF7Txm6UTIPSgiLdFvb3b1gg6rGMJFTRNHNxI2zlLMhyD6ubBolpGQ5868OeUv0CIBhqv!RmslfEaQJNrWV1JqOJ1BdoYmqeJGWPvqRxqcd5TyVa4jw3t/CbGyCo2XREo11hxfVbktkwmYaA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.via.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33726 > > This is ONLY about disease control. > snip > > But there are NO inspections in the plan! > No testing or monitoring, either. > Not even "statistical samples" taken. > Nothing. > Coupla problems to sort out here: 1. WTO wariness of phytosanitary controls being used as defacto trade restrictions. 2. Mutual trust of Trading Partners' export standards. We don't have Black Widow spider in New Zealand, & don't want it thanks. Inspection and fumigation procedures are supposed to prevent Black Widow from arriving in NZ on Californian table grapes. One was found by a customer in a local supermarket display. Our Ministry of Agriculture's response was to the effect: "Here is one spider in how many grapes imported? It wasn't pregnant & we killed it." All the same they had a quick check of procedures in the California packhouse. After the second spider was found IIRC MAF called up an audit of procedures in California. They copped a lot of flack here for waiting until the third spider before stopping the trade and telling the Californians to clean up their act. Now California could well carry on happily without our meagre contribution to its table grape trade, and nobody really knows whether the Black Widow would establish as a pest here, nor in fact how many are already here undetected. The point is that some export trade out of the USA already follows the rules proposed to be applied to live bee imports. Doesn't your Constitution say something about one law for all... Article 33727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Curtis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT: Bee pictures... Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:30:12 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.09.38 X-Server-Date: 5 Nov 2002 04:31:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33727 Hope you don't mind, I thought I'd share some bee pictures... http://www.curtis.curtis.org/beeflwr5.htm http://www.curtis.curtis.org/beeflwr3.htm http://www.curtis.curtis.org/beeflwr.htm -Curtis ______________________________________ The Curtis Home Page My Amatuer Nature Photos http://www.curtis.curtis.org/ ================================== Article 33728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: polyandry in the genus apis Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-80-193.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1036503135 15573 213.122.80.193 (5 Nov 2002 13:32:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:32:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!btnet-feed3!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33728 I would apply for membership of the BEE-List at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/Default.htm It is populated by lots of scientific beekeepers and someone there usually knows the best staring point for any information. Plus there are no trolls. Article 33729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee & equipment auctions Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-80-193.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1036503630 24244 213.122.80.193 (5 Nov 2002 13:40:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:40:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33729 Assuming that you are in the UK. I would point you towards the annual bee auction that takes place at Pulborough in West Sussex each May. details 01903 539205 -Dave Staples. > From: Nick > Organization: Twentyone > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:10:28 GMT > Subject: Bee & equipment auctions > > Hello Everyone > > Has anyone any experience of organising a bee and equipment auction? > Any ideas on the best time of year, venue, auction fees, payment methods > as well as tips and wrinkles? > > Thanks > > Nick Article 33730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundations Date: 5 Nov 2002 06:17:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0211050617.8c9f460@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1036505870 26661 127.0.0.1 (5 Nov 2002 14:17:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Nov 2002 14:17:50 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33730 "Wuffman" wrote in message news:... > I am looking into using Plastic foundations next year in my suppers... I > see many differnt types and price ranges and even colors...... > > Can anyone tell me about your preferances and experiances. also if you know > of outlets were I can save some money that would be nice too.... > > PS. Im in the USA.... > > Brian > Salem Oregon USA The only foundation I don't care for is called "Duragilt" Permadent Rite cell and Pierco have all performed well for me.