Article 10151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use of marginal honey/posts Date: 30 Oct 1997 05:03:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6394ff$7u2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <636eq5$8md@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34574596.2781@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.158 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10151 Thanks all for info on wet honey. Would someone please tell me why my post get chopped up. How many char. before word wrap etc? Pete Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > > A friend of mine harvested some last minute honey, that was open celled. > > The > > moisture content is about 19%. He is worried about it fermenting, and > > wants to > > know if he used it to make Creamed Honey would it be more or less likely to > > ferment? Also, do you have some other "save" tactics? > > > > Pete Article 10152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: 30 Oct 1997 05:21:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.158 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10152 Kathy, Do you paint the inside? From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both sides, to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees would like this. Pete Kathy Hough wrote in article <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto our > single Article 10153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!mr.net!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:34:32 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 61 Message-ID: <34581C68.16C9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.96.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10153 John Caldeira wrote: > > On the lighter side: > > YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... > > There are at least two yellow dots on the windshield of your vehicle. > > You can't drive down a road without evaluating the roadside flowers > for honey-producing potential. > > You have ready answers to questions about Africanized bees and the > value to honey in preventing allergies. > > You check out all the honey labels and prices at the supermarket. > > You don't think twice about going through the supermarket checkout > line with a load of sugar and vegetable fat. > > You've estimated just how much you spent to control mites. > > You pick up matches at restaurants, even though you don't smoke. > > Your friends and neighbors think you are the answer to every swarm > problem. > > You are keenly aware of the first and last freezes of each winter. > > There is a bucket of something in your garage that can only be good > for smoker fuel. > > You know the names and bloom periods of more local flowers than the > state horticulturist. > > You can often guess which frame the queen is on. > > You can usually tell whether a hive has a problem the moment you > remove the cover. > > You welcome a rainy weekend if it will stimulate nectar production. > > You don't mind driving home with a few honey bees inside your vehicle. > > ======================= > > So, what else? What are the other signs that you are a beekeeper? > > Cheers, > John > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ You actually kind of miss it when you don't get stung. Your wife starts to buy any item that has a honeybee on it. You go out to check on your ees before greeting your family in the morning. Article 10154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!mr.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:28:53 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3458A7B5.E1BA021F@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: "Pete A. Wolcott" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10154 Peter, No we don't paint the insides. We were told when we first started keeping bees that painting the inside of the box was something the bees hated and that they would abscond from the boxes. Though I suspect this is one of those beekeeping folklore things that some old coot decided was *probable* and he represented as fact. I'd be curious to know if anyone has *really* painted hive boxes inside and out, and how their bees *really* reacted. We're not likely to try because we've not had any difficulties with excessive moisture, and because I believe in doing my part for the energy crisis, by conserving mine :-). Kathy Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > Kathy, > Do you paint the inside? > From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both > > sides, > to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees > would > like this. > Pete > > Kathy Hough wrote in article > <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto > our > > single Article 10155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:15:56 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 49 Message-ID: <63aild$k3v@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3458A7B5.E1BA021F@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.96.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10155 Kathy Hough wrote: > > Peter, > No we don't paint the insides. We were told when we first started > keeping bees that painting the inside of the box was something the bees > hated and that they would abscond from the boxes. Though I suspect this > is one of those beekeeping folklore things that some old coot decided > was *probable* and he represented as fact. I'd be curious to know if > anyone has *really* painted hive boxes inside and out, and how their > bees *really* reacted. > > We're not likely to try because we've not had any difficulties with > excessive moisture, and because I believe in doing my part for the > energy crisis, by conserving mine :-). > > Kathy > > Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > Kathy, > > Do you paint the inside? > > From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both > > > > sides, > > to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees > > would > > like this. > > Pete > > > > Kathy Hough wrote in article > > <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > > > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > > > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto > > our > > > single About 20 years ago when I first got interested in bees I built my own hives and painted them inside and out with latex paint and let it air for a couple of weeks while waiting to catch a swarm. My ignorance was due to my inclination to always read the owners manual as a last resort. IOW, I didn't know what I was doing. Finally the day came when I captured my first swarm and hived them. Sure enough, the bees absconded. Not only once, but with each subsequent swarm I hived in these boxes. After I discovered my error and built some more boxes with no paint inside I had no further problems. I believe there is more of a basis than folklore for not painting the inside of boxes. Article 10156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.14.100.1!status.gen.nz!clear.net.nz!d1-u48.wgtn.clear.net.nz!user From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for radial extractor? Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:46:17 +1300 Organization: infrequently Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u48.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10156 Anyone have plans for a small radial extractor? -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 10157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:38:31 -0800 Organization: Low & Blue Lines: 47 Message-ID: <345960C7.3E5C@open.ac.uk> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> <62uja1$l09@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10157 > K Cormier wrote in article > <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca>... > > I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I > > have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about > > it. (lit: pro=before, polis=city) It comes in all shades, from whiteish via grey, yellow, brown to reddish. If you hold some on your tongue for a while, you may experience a numbing sensation. It is a natural antiseptic. I think it is responsible for a large part of the smell in a hive. In remedies, it is dissolved in something, though heaven knows what - maybe hydroflouric acid, or napalm, as it seems unreasonably resistant to most solvents. Web search on "propolis" - ? The bees use it to block up holes and smooth things over. It is incidentally sticky, but goes hard and brittle when cold. One of my colonies closed off much of the entrance of a National with a large and irregular curtain of the stuff before the Winter. Often found in quantity on frame spacers, may cause crown board to stick on. Scraping of hive parts will give you some propolis, or you can buy a special plastic grid with oblong intentations. The bees hate this, so fill the holes with propolis, which you can get out by freezing and then flexing the grid in a bag - the propolis pops out. Pure, you can sell it. I sometimes use scrapings to fill holes in wooden frames, but the bees would do this anyway. I don't know whether they appreciate the help. It is *absolute murder* to get out of clothes. *Do not* go about your bee business in any decent suit, or anything you don't mind becoming stained beyond furthur (normal social) use. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. Article 10158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.80.84.4!mv!cc From: cc@nocrap.broadwing.com (CC) Subject: Re: Range of honey bees? X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Organization: Broadwing Communications Message-ID: References: <34566CD9.2604@serv.net> <34568FBB.7EFB70D6@valley.net> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mnh-1-03.mv.com Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:32:11 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10158 In article <34568FBB.7EFB70D6@valley.net>, bill greenrose wrote: > greater minds than mine will probably give you more definitive answers. > > bill You mean the bees, right? ;) -- Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com Broadwing Communications Inc. "helping your ideas take flight" Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs http://www.broadwing.com 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. Article 10159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: 31 Oct 1997 09:28:36 +1100 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <63b1mk$g07$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3458A7B5.E1BA021F@ne.mediaone.net> <63aild$k3v@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10159 George Styer writes: >About 20 years ago when I first got interested in bees I built my own >hives and painted them inside and out with latex paint and let it air >for a couple of weeks while waiting to catch a swarm. My ignorance was >due to my inclination to always read the owners manual as a last resort. >IOW, I didn't know what I was doing. >Finally the day came when I captured my first swarm and hived them. Sure >enough, the bees absconded. Not only once, but with each subsequent >swarm I hived in these boxes. After I discovered my error and built some >more boxes with no paint inside I had no further problems. >I believe there is more of a basis than folklore for not painting the >inside of boxes. ------------------------------------ Here in Australia it seems to be a general practice to paint the inside of the hive. If it is left to dry then we have no problems with the bees absconding. ...or at least I dont! I have used a wide range of paint types without problems. Non water based paints will take a bit of time to stop smelling. On another note, with new swarms, I use an empty box on the bottom with a box of frames above. This lets the bees hang in a cluster a bit longer. It seems if you hive a swarm too quickly into a box of frames, they can get upset and maybe abscond. Using the empty box below the frames seems to stop this. If the swarm has been clustered elsewhere for awhile then I doubt this is necessary. But if you catch and hive them as the first land as a swarm then you may have problems. David Article 10160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pesticides Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:44:39 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 75 Message-ID: <34590DD7.C45FC8C8@ne.mediaone.net> References: <01bce55c$00159e60$800bd8cc@default> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: "J. Wes Lee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10160 --------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J. Wes Lee, If what you need are tables and charts of *specific* toxicity of specific pesticides to honeybees, I can't help you (but would love to know what you find, as this continues to be of interest to me). Larry Connor?? Pollinator?? If what you are looking for is general info: which pesticides are recommended (to minimize bee kills) for use on which pest on which crop; how to apply the pesticides with minimal risk to bees; tables of many commonly used pesticides broken into general toxicity groups (eg. most toxic, very toxic, less toxic, & least toxic), a book I've found helpful and would recommend is Pest Control Safe For Bees by Margaret Adey, Penelope Walker, & Peter T. Walker; published by IBRA in 1986. I've also made good use of a book called Complete Guide to Pest Control-- With And Without Chemicals, 2nd edition by George W. Ware, published by Thomson Publications, Fresno, CA. This book helps fill in the temperate climate crop/pest specific pesticide recommendations as the other book was written for the tropics and subtropics. Hope this helps, Kathy J. Wes Lee wrote: > I am looking for information concerning pesticide toxicity to honey > bees. > Such as a detailed database with relative toxicities of all (many) > insecticides. I would appreciate any assistance you can provide. --------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J. Wes Lee,
If what you need are tables and charts of *specific* toxicity of specific pesticides to honeybees, I can't help you (but would love to know what you find, as this continues to be of interest to me). Larry Connor??   Pollinator??

If what you are looking for is general info: which pesticides are recommended (to minimize bee kills) for use on which pest on which crop;  how to apply the pesticides with minimal risk to bees; tables of  many commonly used pesticides broken into general toxicity groups (eg. most toxic, very toxic, less toxic, & least toxic),  a book I've found helpful and would recommend is  Pest Control Safe For Bees by Margaret Adey, Penelope Walker, & Peter T. Walker; published by IBRA in 1986.

I've also made good use of a book called Complete Guide to Pest Control-- With And Without Chemicals, 2nd edition by George W. Ware, published by Thomson Publications, Fresno, CA.  This book helps fill in the temperate climate crop/pest specific pesticide recommendations as the other book was written for the tropics and subtropics.

Hope this helps,
Kathy

J. Wes Lee wrote:

I am looking for information concerning pesticide toxicity to honey bees.
Such as a detailed database with relative toxicities of all (many)
insecticides.  I would appreciate any assistance you can provide.
   --------------E669F94D801EBD5CA8C83A2A-- Article 10161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.97.151.10!cezanne.intur.net!not-for-mail From: "J. Wes Lee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pesticides Date: 30 Oct 1997 17:48:53 GMT Organization: InturNet, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bce55c$00159e60$800bd8cc@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-128.starcomm.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10161 I am looking for information concerning pesticide toxicity to honey bees. Such as a detailed database with relative toxicities of all (many) insecticides. I would appreciate any assistance you can provide. Article 10162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting/treating hives Date: 30 Oct 1997 16:51:35 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bce554$14e81960$f4d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin244.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10162 Instead of painting boxes has anyone tried treating new boxes by dipping them in a pariffin/wood rosin mixture? What were your results?? Article 10178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with propolis Date: 2 Nov 1997 02:45:49 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bce72d$5818dbe0$b415410c@200137229worldnet.att.net> References: <345BA719.1D92@fidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.180 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10178 John, From "The hive and the Honey Bee". "Good solvents for propolis include acetone, benzene and 2% solution of sodium hydroxide, but these are caustic, and should not come in contact with the skin. Ethyl alcohol, although somewhat less effective than other solvents, is not as hazardous." Regular rubbing alcohol also works and I'm sure there must be others. Pete John Brackman wrote in article <345BA719.1D92@fidnet.com>... > Does anyone know a solvent that will remove propolis from knives and > pyrex? Wonder how Hippocates made his medicines. > Thanks, > John > Article 10179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Philip Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> Subject: Re: Freezing point of Honey Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:06:28 -0500 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.121.153 Message-ID: <345c7710.0@news1.ibm.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.121.153 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10179 Honey will not freeze just get very thick. You can store honey products in unheated areas and not worry about the product becoming harmed. The expansion of the honey may require a bit of room in the container to prevent breakage of container. PMH Owner Blossomland Supply www.blossomland.com phempel@blossomland.com Trevor Sharples wrote in message <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office>... >Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of honey? I >suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the freezing >point will be very low. However I can find no information on it. > >I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed >during the winter. The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with snow >falling only every two years or so. Might there be some effect on the >honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not >thought of? >-- >___________________________________________________________________ > >Trevor Sharples > >Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies >Llanbadarn Fawr >Aberystwyth >Ceredigion >Wales >SY23 3AL > >Tel: 01970 621637 >Fax: 01970 611264 > >email tjs@aber.ac.uk >http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs >___________________________________________________________________ Article 10180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!chook.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Michael Saunby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:40:04 +0000 Organization: Teachmore Farm, Inwardleigh, Okehampton Message-ID: <345C4A74.41C67EA6@Chook.Demon.Co.UK> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: chook.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: chook.demon.co.uk [158.152.180.36] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10180 joe mc cool wrote: [snip] > > What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and > easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. > When one of mine rusted right through I replaced it with copper sheet from an old hot water tank. Looks great and should last longer than the hive now. > -- > joe mc cool > remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== -- Michael Saunby Teachmore Farm, Inwardleigh, Okehampton, Devon, United Kingdom. EX20 3AJ We live in a world of reduced quotations with the quotation marks removed Article 10181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with propolis Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:42:37 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <345CBB8C.B326564@calwest.net> References: <345BA719.1D92@fidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-60.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10181 Look for "GOO GONE"......don't drink it or smoke around it, but if you want to take bee's wax and propolis off of just about anything it works. It's made or packaged by the Magic American Corporation of Cleveland, Ohio and they have/had a 800 number which is 1-800-321-6330, ask for stock number GG13 to get a 10oz bottle or find out how to get one. It's a USA product and may be a bi-product of the CITRUS industry. ttul, the OLd Drone PS.. I hope to test another product mentioned in this echo a few days back and will report on it if it looks as good as I hope it is. John Brackman wrote: > Does anyone know a solvent that will remove propolis from knives and > pyrex? Wonder how Hippocates made his medicines. > Thanks, > John Article 10182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.185.79.5!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews2 From: timothy@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Worlds Deadliest Swarms, tue? 8pm -9pm central, fox(usa) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:00:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 6 Message-ID: <345d9fa9.2012834@snews.zippo.com> Reply-To: tim@magick.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p-661.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10182 On standard broadcast i saw an add for "When animals go on rampage" that included deadliest swarms and a flick of a body with bees all over it and in its mouth. Cant find it listed for day after tomorrow. Anyone know if and when it will be aired? tim@magick.net While its necessary to educate the public, It may be a theme we beekeepers won't appreciate being aired if they do it in the usual sensational "oh wow" manner. Article 10183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!zdc-e!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews2 From: timothy@super.zippo.com (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foam Removal Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:19:54 GMT Organization: none Lines: 7 Message-ID: <345ea6ac.3808150@snews.zippo.com> References: <19971101200600.PAA07029@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: tim@magick.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p-918.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10183 On 1 Nov 1997 20:06:34 GMT, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) wrote: >I have extracted my first honey, over 100 lbs. Have it in plastic buckets and > need to take off the foam. Any advise so I can get the foam off not honey? Having the buckets warmed helps when you just skim the surface with a spatula. You are going to get SOME honey with the foam so just plan on letting the bees clean up what you skim off. Article 10184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10184 In spite of all the reports of honeybees disappearing from so many areas agriculture production does not seemed to have suffered any but normal cyclic declines in yields. APPLES are one crop that is somewhat dependent on bees of one kind or another for good production. Honeybees are considered an manageable asset to the growing of apples and growers spend millions of dollars each year in having beekeepers bring in their bees during the bloom time. Apples are one of the easiest crops to pollinate and research has demonstrated that the job can be done in a matter of hours if the bloom is receptive and the bees can fly. It is interesting to note that in some apple growing areas bees are considered not desirable because the growers feel that to much fruit is set and the bees make costly hand thinning necessary. These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. The latest data just released on Apple Yields from the many different areas of the US is shown below. STATE 1995 1996 1997 ----Tons----- US TOTALS 5,292,500 5,548,200 6,659,350 Washington 2,425,000 2,750,000 2,600,000 Michigan 610,000 362,500 500,000 New York 555,000 515,000 560,000 California 425,000 450,000 450,000 Idaho 40,000 90,000 65,000 North Carolina 135,000 100,000 80,000 Ohio 60,000 45,000 37,500 Oregon 70,000 69,500 77,500 Pennsylvania 250,000 195,500 237,500 Virginia 200,000 137,500 125,000 West Virginia 82,500 52,500 55,000 Other States 38,300 39,200 42,350 ttul, the OLd Drone Data from USDA Economic Research Service (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; Article 10185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating Sperm Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:06:20 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3A717CE12DAF8CF6.BF7E2CCD6CA3CE0B.4EA8A1B18901031B@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <63inpp$vnf@library.airnews.net> References: <021197144013@supo.net.hk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Nov 2 14:28:41 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal34-27.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10185 lou@supo.net.hk wrote: >for more detailed information on how you can partake in the sperm donor program... Buckfast drones only please..... Article 10186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating Sperm Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:51:38 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <345CF5EA.91EFB87E@calwest.net> References: <021197144013@supo.net.hk> <3A717CE12DAF8CF6.BF7E2CCD6CA3CE0B.4EA8A1B18901031B@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-149.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10186 I think you have to be able to produce at least a gallon per week to come out ahead on this deal. BusyKnight wrote: > lou@supo.net.hk wrote: > >for more detailed information on how you can partake in the sperm donor program... > > Buckfast drones only please..... Article 10188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!info.usuhs.mil!cs.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: "blake Bond" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:28:00 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 10 Message-ID: <637s7s$gb7$1@news.umbc.edu> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-015.dialup.umbc.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10188 I've had success with an epoxy enamel spraypaint made by Krylon (in several fun colors!). I'd just as soon rip off the steel and put on a decent sheet of roofing copper, though. joe mc cool wrote in message <878026989snz@benburb.demon.co.uk>... >What interests me is how to protect sheet steel roofs, quickly and >easily ? They rust a lot otherwise. Article 10189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Philip Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office> Subject: Re: Freezing point of Honey Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:06:28 -0500 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.121.153 Message-ID: <345c77c1.0@news1.ibm.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.121.153 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10189 Honey will not freeze just get very thick. You can store honey products in unheated areas and not worry about the product becoming harmed. The expansion of the honey may require a bit of room in the container to prevent breakage of container. PMH Owner Blossomland Supply www.blossomland.com phempel@blossomland.com Trevor Sharples wrote in message <01bcde21$9a1e5f20$064c7c90@tjs_office>... >Does any one have accurate information on the freezing point of honey? I >suspect as it is a concentrated solution of sugar in water the freezing >point will be very low. However I can find no information on it. > >I want to know because I want to store honey, in jars, outside in a shed >during the winter. The climate is quite mild here in mid Wales with snow >falling only every two years or so. Might there be some effect on the >honey, apart from freezing and possibly granulation, that I have not >thought of? >-- >___________________________________________________________________ > >Trevor Sharples > >Welsh Intitute of Rural Studies >Llanbadarn Fawr >Aberystwyth >Ceredigion >Wales >SY23 3AL > >Tel: 01970 621637 >Fax: 01970 611264 > >email tjs@aber.ac.uk >http:\\www.aber.ac.uk\~tjs >___________________________________________________________________ Article 10190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEAR'S AND BEES Date: 3 Nov 1997 01:54:08 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19971103015401.UAA27755@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <345D16E4.4081@stc.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10190 Try putting a second fence around the first one. Also you can try putting a strip of bacon on the fence with the idea that the bear will go to the bacon and get shocked, therefore hopefully leaving the fence and bees alone. Sometimes it still fails to stop an attack. Article 10191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!199.1.48.11.MISMATCH!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghall@nocrap.usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 02:45:23 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <345d3aa8.3901152@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.214.151 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10191 This is to test my new spam-guard. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nfoquest@aol.com (NfoQuest) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wannabee in SC Date: 3 Nov 1997 15:32:18 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19971103153201.KAA15707@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10193 As the subject suggests I am interested in learning about bee keeping in SC . I am located near Charleston, so any info on local clubs or keepers would be great. Thanks ! Article 10194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 03:18:55 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: oasc4-194.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/16.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10194 I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can give you my Fax number. Thanx Steve (@ flash.net) PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed Article 10195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: 4 Nov 1997 03:29:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <63m4qf$r4m@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.154 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10195 Take a look at 10-FRAME LANGSTROTH BEE HIVE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS At http://birkey/BLB/Beekeeping/ fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet wrote in article <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net>... > I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. > It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without > aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have > plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can > give you my Fax number. > Thanx > Steve (@ flash.net) > > PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed > > Article 10196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!passport.ca!ftn.net!not-for-mail From: Jay Mowat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:37:12 -0500 Organization: Passport Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> Reply-To: mowatj@toronto.cbc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10196 I've been treating my hives with Apistan this fall but got the strips in a little late (October 4). By the time the strips are supposed to come out (November 15), it might be too cold to open the hives. We've already had snow in this area and November has been bitter in the past If I take them out now while the temperature is high enough, the strips won't have done the full job. If I leave them in until next spring, some say the mites will build up a tolerance to the drug and the Apistan won't be as effective. Any opinions? Jay Mowat Erin, Ontario Article 10197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: $1000/wk Donating Sperm Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 04:23:57 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <63osc8$sno$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <021197144013@supo.net.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10197 >how you can partake in the sperm donor program... This idiot managed to inseminate every newsgroup with his stupid spam! Let's dump beaucoup bytes into his server to show our appreciation! Article 10198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida Bee Conditions Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711042147342779@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5j2euh$4mg@library.airnews.net> <5j1fqe$5l0@chronicle.concentric.net> Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10198 http://www.ams.usda.gov/mncs/mn%5Freports/or%5Ffv193.txt OR FV193 ORLANDO FEDERAL-STATE - NOVEMBER 3, 1997 ATTENTION: LINDA VERSTRATE, YAKIMA, WASH. FLORIDA HONEY REPORT FOR OCTOBER 1997 Moisture levels were low the first of the month but adequate the latter part of the month. Temperatures were about normal for the month. Bees are primarily feeding on the Brazilian pepper, especially in the central and southern part of the state, along with astor, golden rod and pursley in the panhandle area of the state. Beekeepers are still trying to find a treatment that will rid the hives of the varroa mite. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good condition, but quite a few hives have been lost to the mites. Demand for Florida honey is moderate at steady prices. bac . --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 10199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!demos!kmtts!nross.kuban.ru!usenet From: "DCA" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-keeping Date: 4 Nov 1997 11:52:17 GMT Organization: Discovery Consulting Agency Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bce918$639ea700$0100a8c0@dca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dca.kuban.ru X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10199 Hi, I'm looking for people busy in bee-keeping to exchange some pieces of advice in this sphere and experience.I'm interesting in new methods. I live in Russia. My name is Victor and I'm graduating from the Bee-Keeping Academy. I'm 27 y.o. Please give me a message what other news-groups are dealing with bee-keeping and where can I get sth new about it. Victor E-mail: office@dca.kuban.ru Article 10200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Our messed up bee industry! Date: 5 Nov 1997 16:56:18 GMT Lines: 41 Message-ID: <19971105165600.LAA25773@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10200 Is it under-dosage or Varroa mite resistance? Soon it will be proclained that the Varroa mites are in the US are resistant to Apistan. The information that is going to be ignored IS; 1. by using a wire brush on the new strips from the package effiacy is increased to a level of good mite control. 2. to provide mite control in a good double story colony of honey bees in the US you are required to use 8 strips per year. HOW MANY OF YOU DO THAT at cost of over $10.00 per year????,, which is 25% of a average honey crop from a colony of bees. 3. when in Europe the Apistan package instructions require the use of 2 strips per year for up to 100% control,,,, why because a different plastic is used in manufacture very simular to the old Section 18 strips used in 1989 here. 4. I can not quote the test information that was done by the USDA ARS in Umatilla, Fl in early October 1997 that showed 2 section-18 strips 9 years old killed 2.5 X the rate of 8 new Apistan strips installed for a 48 hour period.....I can not quote because not for the lack of their data but because after having worked for the USDA for several years in the early 60's, we at the Madison USDA Lab could not and would not make any statements without good scientific DATA. 5. There is NO reliable data available at the present time to STATE that the US has fluvalinate Varroa resistant mites. More research needs to be done by professionals, but I can state that from the very start the section 3 strips in 1990 that their effiacy was not good,, in fact very poor. Now it is being treated as a resistant problem......not that it was a poor product from the start. Is it the "liability" factor that the truth will be overlooked,,,, ignored,,, misused,,,,, covered-up,,, USDA lets proceed with caution!!!! $%# @^% #$ Sincerely, David Miksa Groveland, Florida Article 10201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:33:13 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17C1CBE9DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10201 In article <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> Jay Mowat writes: >... >If I take them out now while the temperature is high enough, the strips >won't have done the full job. If I leave them in until next spring, some >say the mites will build up a tolerance to the drug and the Apistan >won't be as effective. > >Any opinions? If it's a choice of take 'em out now or next spring, I'd opt for now. The recommended period for leaving the strips in is two full brood cycles. As this is the time of year that brood rearing is winding down in Ontario, I s'pose there isn't much brood left being reared. Leaving the strips in until spring is probably a bigger violation of label instructions than taking them out midway through the treatment. There is a third option here, which is take them out at the proper time according to label instructions. Too hard? Too inconvenient? Too bad!!! Just do it! Aaron Morris - thinking the more beekeepers read the label the less they get it. Article 10202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEAR'S AND BEES Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 14:03:18 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <17C1CC5A9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <345D16E4.4081@stc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10202 In article <345D16E4.4081@stc.net> BILLY BRADSHAW writes: > >I have a problem with bears,do any body know a way >to keep them away from bee hives.I have an four >stran electric fence around them now,I don't think >that will keep hungry bear out.I am from north east Georgia. >Any ideas? I have no personal bear/bee experience, thankfully there ain't no bears in this neck of the woods. However, I can offer two pieces of advice I've picked up attending bear seminars at bee conventions. The first piece of advice is fence first, bees later. If a bear learns there's food in them thar boxes before a fence is erected, the bears will not let a fence stop them. However, if bears encounter a fence before they learn about the food in the hives, they will respect the fence and leave the bees alone. The second piece of advice is that bear hair is an insulator. Electric fences will shock a wet bear tongue or a wet bear nose, but electric fences won't shock through bear hair. Hanging something on the fence to attract the bear's tongue or nose will insure the bear gets shocked and the bees get left alone. Bacon or an open can of sardines make good bear fence ornaments. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsyes@aol.com (RSYES) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essential Oils Date: 5 Nov 1997 19:23:18 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19971105192301.OAA05928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10203 Current research is being done on essential oils and their use for varroa and trachael mites. A good site for essential oils is Http://essentialoil.com Article 10204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Worker Bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Joke Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:59:32 -0600 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3460FA53.29F4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: dvisrael@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.63.89 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10204 I asked an old timer bee keeper the other day what he does if his bees get really mean. " No problem" he says "I take them to my mother-in-laws yard". Article 10205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: World's Deadliest Swarms Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:11:11 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 87 Message-ID: <3460FD0F.74A31D3A@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Discussion of Bee Biology X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10205 --------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Did any of you see that program? It showed here in MA. Tues. (last night) @ 9:00 PM. If ever there was a program with the goal of scaring the pants off the general public, this was it! Wow! Some of the things they showed weren't even dangerous, just things that many people would think were really gross! eg: garter snakes mating, or maggots consuming a carcass. The part about african honeybees was _almost_ funny (_almost_ only because they chose to reinact an incident in which someone died, and that was sad). It was one of the few (2?) segments in which they did a reinactment of the *horrifying* swarm incident (the other was red ants, but that guy survived). It was pretty clear to me that the man who played the sting victim in the reinactment had a queen cage around his neck and many of the shots used were just bees on a surface or flying into/out of a hive (ooooh.. scary). At one point i think i saw the lights reflect on a ?glass barrier? that was maybe used to protect some of the other actors, and the way they turned up the bzzzzz sound every time they zoomed in on the "Killer Bees" was a laugh. I also got a big kick out of the titles/credentials the producers chose to give to the three men who assisted with the production. The guy with the speaking part (sorry I didn't get his name) was given the credential "Bee Expert", and the other two (also missed their names) were given the credentials of "Bee Master" and "Bee Man" respectively. Poor guys. What were they thinking? Maybe credentials like "beekeeper, X years" or "entomologist" or somesuch were too mundane for the DRAMA of this program. Perhaps these guys used aliases so no one would know who they really were? Perhaps no one that is known to the international/national beekeeping industry would do this film? I dunno, I thought the whole thing was pretty funny. The good thing about a segment like this is that it gets the general public talking about bees so we can help them understand the does and don'ts of behavior around honeybees. Don't envy you guys dealing with the panic of the masses. Kathy --------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all,
Did any of you see that program? It showed here in MA. Tues. (last night) @ 9:00 PM.  If ever there was a program with the goal of scaring the pants off the general public, this was it! Wow!  Some of the things they showed weren't even dangerous, just things that many people would think were really gross! eg: garter snakes mating, or maggots consuming a carcass.

The part about african honeybees was _almost_ funny (_almost_ only because they chose to reinact an incident in which someone died, and that was sad). It was one of the few (2?) segments in which they did a reinactment of the *horrifying* swarm incident (the other was red ants, but that guy survived).  It was pretty clear to me that the man who played the sting victim in the reinactment had a queen cage around his neck and many of the shots used were just bees on a surface or flying into/out of a hive (ooooh.. scary).  At one point i think i saw the lights reflect on a ?glass barrier? that was maybe used to protect some of the other actors, and the way they turned up the bzzzzz sound every time they zoomed in on the "Killer Bees" was a laugh.  I also got a big kick out of the titles/credentials  the producers chose to give to the three men who assisted with the production.  The guy with the speaking part (sorry I didn't get his name) was given the credential "Bee Expert", and the other two (also missed their names) were given the credentials of "Bee Master" and "Bee Man" respectively. Poor guys.  What were they thinking? Maybe credentials like "beekeeper, X years"  or "entomologist" or somesuch were too mundane for the DRAMA of this program.  Perhaps these guys used aliases so no one would know who they really were? Perhaps no one that is known to the international/national beekeeping industry would do this film?   I dunno, I thought the whole thing was pretty funny.

The good thing about a segment like this is that it gets the general public talking about bees so we can help them understand the does and don'ts of behavior around honeybees. Don't envy you guys dealing with the panic of the masses.

Kathy --------------26ADE810FFB7E429AE815448-- Article 10206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: joe@golberdon.nospam.prestel.co.uk (Joe Hemmens) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Essential Oils Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:12:05 GMT Organization: [not set] Message-ID: <34610a6e.49887938@news.prestel.co.uk> References: <19971105192301.OAA05928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem51.c1r4.pol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10206 On 5 Nov 1997 19:23:18 GMT, rsyes@aol.com (RSYES) wrote: >Current research is being done on essential oils and their use for varroa and > trachael mites. A good site for essential oils is Http://essentialoil.com Bulk synthetics are generally MUCH cheaper than 'aromatherapy' grade essential oils. Compare the cost of 500g thymol with 500ml oil of thyme. Joe Hemmens Article 10207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: Edward Flicek Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Should I cover all the exit holes Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:22:34 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34610DCA.2EED@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: kboukg@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.133.97.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI304B01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10207 I am going to wrap my hives with tar paper, should I leave all three hive body entrances open or just leave one open? I live in Minnesota, where it can get down to 30 below zero. I have three brood boxes all piled up one on top of the other, so they will have plenty of honey to live off. Thanks, Ed Article 10208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: World's Deadliest Swarms Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:05:49 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <346109DC.2F4AC120@valley.net> References: <3460FD0F.74A31D3A@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-124.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10208 Kathy Hough wrote: > Hi all, > Did any of you see that program? It showed here in MA. Tues. (last > night) @ 9:00 PM. If ever there was a program with the goal of > scaring the pants off the general public, this was it! Wow! Some of > the things they showed weren't even dangerous, just things that many > people would think were really gross! eg: garter snakes mating, or > maggots consuming a carcass. > [snip] > Kathy greetings, since i moved to new hampshire almost 3 years ago, i have been virtually without tv. that's because this house came with one of those 'old fashioned' 8 ft satellite dishes, not a fancy digital dish or, even, a cable hook-up. i tried to get that stupid dish working for the first 2 months, but eventually gave up. by then, i had weaned myself of my addiction to tv and lost the urge to connect via satellite or cable. now, thanks to rabbit ears, i get the local nbc affiliate [which covers local high school soccer and basketball games, with HIGHLIGHTS, preferentially to the national sports scene, and which doesn't even have news coverage on weekends. thank god for npr.], and new hampshire public tv. in the beginning i missed being able to turn into a couch potato every night. now, i spend my time reading or on the computer [like now]. don't know who's in the world series or the super bowl. don't know what the 'hot' new shows of the season are. don't care. it is reports, like this, of 'classic' program quality that remind me of why i don't miss tv, anymore. thanks for the update, kathy. it's good to know i'm not missing anything. :) bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: Jacob Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:50:33 -0500 Organization: jhu Lines: 20 Message-ID: <346087B9.41C6@jhu.edu> References: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.34.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) CC: Steve@flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10209 fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet wrote: > > I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. > It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without > aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have > plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can > give you my Fax number. > Thanx > Steve (@ flash.net) > > PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed See the web pages at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html He has complete plans in Adobe Acrobat PFD format. They are directly printable and very clear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacob Laderman, System Admin at Center for Language & Speech Processing mail: jacob@jhu.edu voice: 410-516-4787 - 1 wife, 1 boy, 1 girl, 5 sheep, 1 llama, 2 goats, 1 donkey, fowl - Article 10210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: misabby@aol.com (Misabby) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I cover all the exit holes Date: 6 Nov 1997 03:37:42 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971106033700.WAA26253@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34610DCA.2EED@sprintmail.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10210 My dad, mom and I have about 50 hives also in Minnesota. Leave the top hole open and the bees will be fine. Check them in Feb. to see if they have enough honey left. We wraped with tar paper for years but now use cardboard boxes. It is much easier!!! Cindy Article 10211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Iowa-Missouri Bee Reports Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711060831072780@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10211 http://www.ams.usda.gov/archive/day2/yyj%5F%5F%5F%5F%5F.txt U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AGRICULTURAL MARKETING SERVICE FRUIT and VEGETABLE DIVISION MARKET NEWS BRANCH UNIT 1 PRODUCE ROW, ROOM 101 ST LOUIS, MO 63102 TELEPHONE (314) 425-4520 NOVEMBER 4, 1997 FROM: Charles M. Gore - Officer-In-Charge TO: LINDA VERSTRATE - YAKIMA, WA Subject: Honey report for October, 1997 Missouri and Iowa. Precipitation was near normal except for Waterloo, IA and Des Moines, IA which were above average and Dubuqee which was below normal for October. For the year to date total 6 reporting stations reported slightly below average while 4 reported slightly above average. Harvest weather this fall was again generally excellent. Harvest of row crops in both states was ahead of average. Temperatures averaged about normal early in the month and colder than normal by month's end. A low temperature of 19 was reported on October 21st & 22nd in Des Moines. The late month cold front lowered the average October temperature to below normal. Honey harvest was generally finished. Extraction was not yet complete. Honey yields in both Missouri & Iowa were variable but generally improved over the 1996 crop. Best yields were again generally in the river bottoms due to better moisture at the main nectar flow time. Yields in Iowa were best in the South & Southwest parts of the state. Yields in Missouri were best along both the Missouri & Mississippi Rivers and below normal in the Ozark's. Outstanding yields were obtained from Clover's and other legumes. Good yields were obtained from Soybeans. Yields from Cotton ranged from poor to good depending on spray schedules for pest insects. A few colonies were weaken or lost to insect sprays. Good yields should have been obtained from fall flowers "Golden Rod & Aster' in most areas to allow the bees to build up winter storages. Bees in Iowa were not winterized, but limited damage is expected from the late October cold snap. Beekeepers were treating hives for mites and were busy extracting honey. Trading was active for bulk honey. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ Article 10212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper jokes Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:15:47 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 88 Message-ID: <34626aee.166759896@news.earthlink.net> References: <345FF813.19F1@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.207 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10212 Ladislao Guerra wrote: >I recently saw..."You know you are a beekeeper when you..." jokes. >Can you re-post them. Sure. I wrote: On the lighter side: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... There are at least two yellow dots on the windshield of your vehicle. You can't drive down a road without evaluating the roadside flowers for honey-producing potential. You have ready answers to questions about Africanized bees and the value to honey in preventing allergies. You check out all the honey labels and prices at the supermarket. You don't think twice about going through the supermarket checkout line with a load of sugar and vegetable fat. You've estimated just how much you spent to control mites. You pick up matches at restaurants, even though you don't smoke. Your friends and neighbors think you are the answer to every swarm problem. You are keenly aware of the first and last freezes of each winter. There is a bucket of something in your garage that can only be good for smoker fuel. You know the names and bloom periods of more local flowers than the state horticulturist. You can often guess which frame the queen is on. You can usually tell whether a hive has a problem the moment you remove the cover. You welcome a rainy weekend if it will stimulate nectar production. You don't mind driving home with a few honey bees inside your vehicle. ======================= And Bill Greenrose (bill.greenrose@valley.net) replied: how about: 1) when all your family and friends know what they're going to get for christmas and how much based on your conversational reports in july of the intensity of the spring flow. [too wordy] or 2) when you don't mow the lawn because the bees are working the dandelions. or 3) when you pull over and check the activity on the wildflowers just to see if they're YOUR bees. or 4) you do 3) above and can tell the difference. or 5) you saw Ulee's Gold and didn't think there were enough shots of the bees. Hope you enjoyed them. Anyone is welcome to use what I wrote for their beekeeping newsletter or whatever. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!innfeed.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!news!ppp72.altu.net.au From: Co-ordinator Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting/Treating National Hives. Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:08:38 +0800 Organization: Telstra Internet Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3462A255.A43AA74E@altu.net.au> References: <6324mt$4sn$3@netty.york.ac.uk> <34553C78.AA14059B@valley.net> <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net> <6395hf$b51@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3458856D.4415@birkey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.23.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10213 Is it possible to treat hives with some other form of weather protection, such as boiled linseed oil? Barry Birkey wrote: > Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > > Kathy, > > Do you paint the inside? > > From a moisture absorption standpoint it would be better to paint both > > sides, > > to prevent flexing (cupping). However, I don't know how the bees would > > like this. > > Pete > > > > Kathy Hough wrote in article > > <345640DB.BFC808E3@ne.mediaone.net>... > > > My experience is similar to Bill's. We paint with a coat of latex > > > exterior primer followed by a coat of flat latex exterior paint onto our > > > single > > I've painted both inside and out of my hives and it hasn't effected the > bees one bit. It has kept the wood from absorbing moisture and cupping > though. > > - Barry > -- > Barry Birkey > West Chicago, Illinois USA > barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 10214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:26:04 GMT Lines: 91 Message-ID: <19971107072601.CAA26985@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10214 In article <9711021216432769@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: > It is interesting to note that in some apple >growing areas bees are considered not desirable because the growers feel >that to much fruit is set and the bees make costly hand thinning >necessary. These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to >thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. > This misconception is not unusual among growers, and even some extension agents. The idea arises because of poor pollination practices. To explain, let me give some background: Apples bloom in clusters of 5 blossoms. The first to open (called the "king" bloom) is the strongest blossom, and all other things being equal, will give the best fruit. This bud gives off hormones which tend to suppress the other four blossoms. "Every" effort should be bent toward getting the king bloom pollinated. When you get good king pollination, there will be a natural thinning effect from the hormonal suppression, which, if needed, can easily be helped along with spray thinning. King bloom can miss out on pollination because of cold or wet weather, or it can be damaged by frost, but a common reason is because the bees simply aren't in the orchard in time. An common shibboleth among extension folks is: "Don't bring in the bees until the bloom is already open, because they will get used to working on other flowers and will ignore the apple blossoms." Was it Abe Lincoln that said, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it? Frankly this is a lot of nonsense, UNLESS the colonies are very weak. Good, strong colonies with plenty of open brood, will work ALL nectar and pollen sources, including the apple blossoms. So the grower waits until he sees some bloom before he calls the beekeeper. The beekeeper, suddenly swamped with grower calls, cannot move instantly and the bees wind up being placed after king bloom is done. I always tell the growers, "Better a week early than a day late." Following the king bloom is a group of three blossoms, all of about equal strength. No one blossom is able to suppress the other two. When the king blossom does not get pollinated, the tendency is for all three of the next blossoms to be pollinated together. THEN you have much too heavy a crop, and you have a problem. For fresh fruit production, you want no less than eight to ten inches between apples. For process apples, you can let them be a little thicker. Because there is no natural advantage of any one over the three, spray thinning just doesn't work. If you put on too heavy a dose, all three apples drop; if you do not have enough dose, none of them will drop. So you are stuck with (expensive) hand thinning. It is not always possible to get the king bloom pollinated, but growers certainly could do a lot better, if they tried harder. Once in a while, none of these four blossoms make it, usually due to a late frost. The fifth blossom is weak, and will not make much of a crop, but if it can be pollinated, will save the trees from a lot of woody growth, and reduce the tendency toward biennial bearing. That is basically a salvage effort. Wanna' check the pollination results? Count the seeds. You'll find the best quality apples have 7-10 seeds, if you slice them crosswise and count 'em. There are five seed pockets with two possible seeds in each one. Count only brown, plump seeds, white or shrivelled ones don't count. Apples with less than 3 seeds usually go down in the June drop, those with 3-4 seeds tend to make unprofitable and starchy bag apples, those from 5-7 seeds are, of course, in between. The seed count affects the size and shape of the apple, as well as the conversion of starch to sugar (ripening). If you wait long enough, the 3 seeded, starchy apples will finally ripen, but they will often get mealy, before the sugar content is up where it should be for good taste. Pollination is dependent on good pollenizer varieties, enough healthy bees, and favorable weather conditions. A grain of compatible pollen is needed for each seed, and that doesn't usually occur with one bee visit. We want to get the bee into the blossom many times. Stop by the web site below for lots of info on pollenizers, pollinators, and pollination. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator.polpage1.html Article 10215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:26:06 GMT Lines: 51 Message-ID: <19971107072601.CAA27091@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10215 In article <34566605.202168158@news.earthlink.net>, jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) writes: >YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... You practically stick you nose into a swarm looking to see if there are any mites on the workers. There is propolis on the steering wheels of your vehicles and on the living room carpet. Almost every bee in ads and cartoons looks like a yellow jacket. You can spot an abandoned beehive embedded in kudzu a quarter mile away. The sound of an aerial applicator ten miles away, gets your instant attention. You get stung and don't bother to scrape out the stinger. You are stung *you-know-where* and you don't whip off any clothing. You get some entertainment on a dismal day, from the pesticide inspector, when she whips off some clothing. Your six year old kid goes to school with an eye swollen shut and no one suspects child abuse. Or do they? Your wife buys fabrics, carpets, bath mats, jewelry, and a lot of things you never thought of with bee themes. Most people think you should get a "real job." The preacher preaches on Noah and the Flood, and you drift off into consideration of the bees on the Ark, missing most of the sermon. You consider yourself a professional, and get irritated when folks ask you if you are still "messing" with the bees. You are called "Bee Man" by a lot of folks who don't know your name. You work such long hours that you see 500 lb. "bunnies" hopping across the road while you are driving a load of bees to a new site. You never stop marveling at these wonderful creatures. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness & Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:36:13 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <19971107073601.CAA27477@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10216 In article <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca>, Jay Mowat writes: > By the time the strips are supposed to come >out (November 15), it might be too cold to open the hives. We've already >had snow in this area and November has been bitter in the past Pick the best day you can, and pull them on schedule. You won't hurt the bees. They have very little brood, and you won't need to pull brood frames anyway. I've had bees survive half the winter (in the north) with the cover off (vandals). Cold won't hurt them near as much as a hard rain. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Article 10217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Crop Protection and Animal Health sites - Latest updates Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:49:27 +0000 Organization: PJB Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 70 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22078 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10217 sci.agriculture.fruit:1253 sci.agriculture.poultry:3730 Unrivalled coverage of the international animal health and nutrition industry and the latest developments in the international crop protection industry is available from the homepages of: *Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal - ***Updated November 7th*** *Animal Pharm Reports - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/aprep *Agrow World Crop Protection News - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow *Agrow Reports - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrep - ***Updated November 7th*** *AGROProjects - http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agroproj Veterinary ---------- http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News provides unrivalled coverage of the international animal health and nutrition industry. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper jokes Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:03:42 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3463660E.43BC@earthlink.net> References: <345FF813.19F1@earthlink.net> <34626aee.166759896@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.177.122 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10218 John Caldeira wrote: > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ Thanks for reposting Lalo (drlalo@earthlink.net) Article 10219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!203.29.160.2!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Base/Uniting colonies Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:50:46 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 28 Message-ID: <640d9p$f5c$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39-max16.auck.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10219 HI, I have a couple of questions. 1. I hived three early spring swarms a couple of months ago, & did not have a proper hive base (floor) for one of them. I scratched around in my shed and came up with a piece of transparent plastic the right size & shape. this is a rigid sheet, used for roofing I think, about 1/2 inch thick with an air gap between the top & bottom. I made a base from this, and thought it was great. However the bees hived over it have never seemed to thrive, and always appeared less active when compared to the other swarms hived at the same time. Last night I replaced the base with a conventional wooden one, today the colony is more active than I have seen it before, despite lousy weather. Could it be that the bees were upset by having a transparent hive floor? 2. I have had a couple of failures recently in uniting colonies using the 'foolproof' newspaper method. On both occasions one of the colonies, (assume the one in the top box) has been destroyed in short order by the other. Both times the colony placed on top had a division board feeder in it , with some sugar syrup in it. Would the presence of this food be likely to induce a hive robbing reponse from the lower colony? Any help will be appreciated Cheers Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 10220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan vs Miticu Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:19:25 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3463E84D.70DA@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.249.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10220 I read in Bonney's book "Beekeeping, a pactical guide" that you can use either Apistan or Miticur...He further state that Miticure can be used to treat for Verroa and tracheal mites. I've looked at bee catalogs and have found no mention of "Miticur"... Anyone know of this treatment? Thanks. Lalo Article 10221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:26:18 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3464060A.7B0@earthlink.net> References: <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> <17C1CBE9DS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.10.225.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10221 Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <345F2508.163@toronto.cbc.ca> > Jay Mowat writes: > > >... > >If I take them out now while the temperature is high enough, the strips > >won't have done the full job. If I leave them in until next spring, some > >say the mites will build up a tolerance to the drug and the Apistan > >won't be as effective. > > > >Any opinions? > > If it's a choice of take 'em out now or next spring, I'd opt for now. > The recommended period for leaving the strips in is two full brood > cycles. As this is the time of year that brood rearing is winding down > in Ontario, I s'pose there isn't much brood left being reared. Leaving > the strips in until spring is probably a bigger violation of label > instructions than taking them out midway through the treatment. There is > a third option here, which is take them out at the proper time according > to label instructions. Too hard? Too inconvenient? Too bad!!! Just > do it! > > Aaron Morris - thinking the more beekeepers read the label the less they > get it. There's a new stuff maybe old called "Miticur"..says to work on both varroa and tracheals. Any comments? Lalo Article 10222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:54:46 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3463E286.432630F9@valley.net> References: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> <19971107072601.CAA26985@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10222 Pollinator wrote: > In article <9711021216432769@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy > Nachbaur) writes: > > > It is interesting to note that in some apple > >growing areas bees are considered not desirable because the growers feel > >that to much fruit is set and the bees make costly hand thinning > >necessary. These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to > >thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. > > > > This misconception is not unusual among growers, and even some > extension agents. > > The idea arises because of poor pollination practices. To explain, let > me give some background: > > [snip] > > Stop by the web site below for lots of info on pollenizers, > pollinators, and pollination. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator.polpage1.html dave, thanks for the excellent and informative post. it was better than an article in 'bee culture.' bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Base/Uniting colonies Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:21:08 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 43 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <641j1k$fiv@library.airnews.net> References: <640d9p$f5c$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Nov 8 05:39:32 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal04-14.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10223 fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) wrote: Hello Frank, I see that it is becomming Spring (down there) for you! >1. It is possible the light source caused trouble for them. However, my observation hive (and most that I've seen) tend to do well even when exposed to other than darkness in the hive. My first guess would have been the simple genitics of the bees, but since you seemed to have noticed an improvement in their behavior once a wooden board was placed on the hive, I dismissed that as a possibility. So my last guess (and that is all one can do at this point), is that the roofing material you used was possibily "treated" with some chemical; either in the manufacturing process or perhaps as a protective coating that the bees were objecting to. >2. Again, robbing is a possibility. This would depend in large part on exactly just how fast the two were united. A lot of the "newspaper" techniques I've read say to cut slits in the newspaper (and this may be necessary if you use several layers of paper). But if you use only one or two sheets of newspaper, I would recommend NOT cutting slits in the paper. I have discovered that the bees chew through the paper pretty fast even without cutting slits in the paper. I believe it is important to slow their progress in uniting so that the differring colony oders have time to unite. In my opinion, cutting slits in one layer of newspaper defeats the purpose of even using the newspaper. The bees rapidly move between colonies when the newspaper is cut. The whole idea behind the newspaper method is to slow their introduction to one another. Another thing we use here when uniting colonies is a sugar/water spray that has some vanilla extract in it. The odor of the vanilla extract helps to mask the different colony odors and since the bees get busy licking the sugar water spray off the frames, the hive walls and themselves, this makes uniting two colonies a lot easier. BusyKnight Dallas,TX Article 10224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan vs Miticu Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 07:46:23 +0000 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3464189E.52C4@javanet.com> References: <3463E84D.70DA@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us211.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) To: drlalo@earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10224 Miticur was an alternative medication that was available to us at the time the book was published in early 1993. As 1993 moved along we began to hear reports that Miticur was creating problems in colonies, perhaps even killing bees. I don't think we ever had a really definitive answer to what was exactly was happening. The manufacturer, Hoeschst-Roussel chose to remove the product from the market rather than spend money chasing the problem. Richard Bonney rebonney@javanet.com Article 10225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!gate.news.unisource.nl!amsterdam.news.unisource.nl!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!newspost.telia.com!newsfeed101.telia.com!d2o102.telia.com!t3o102p56.telia.com From: "Svend Sørensen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper vacation Date: 8 Nov 97 16:51:23 GMT Organization: Telia Internet Message-ID: <01bcec66$4baa42c0$LocalHost@atlsjkcz> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2o102.telia.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t3o102p56.telia.com Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10225 Here in Denmark it is getting winter. Bees has stopped flying. I am going to Bainbridge in Georgia on vacation at Xmas . I would like getting contact to beekeepers there. And to see how bees and beekeeping are in Bainbridge Georgia. Is there anyone who can help me please. Erik. Article 10226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: 8 Nov 1997 21:47:11 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <19971108214701.QAA03178@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3464060A.7B0@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10226 In article <3464060A.7B0@earthlink.net>, Ladislao Guerra writes: >There's a new stuff maybe old called "Miticur"..says to work on both >varroa and tracheals. > > Miticur was pulled off the market by the manufacturer because a lot of beekeepers had dead hives they blamed on the product, and the company was unwilling to defend the product against suits. I don't know if anyone actually proved that it did the damage. But if you found some laying around, don't use it without some research to answer three questions: 1. Did it actually cause damage to bees? 2. Is it still legal to use? The registration probably has expired by now, making it illegal for use. 3. What is the storage life? It may, in time, break down into toxic compounds, or just be ineffective. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES DO THE JOB FOR APPLE Date: 8 Nov 1997 21:47:13 GMT Lines: 52 Message-ID: <19971108214701.QAA03615@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <9711021216432769@beenet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10227 In article <9711021216432769@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >These growers in the past think nothing about using SEVEN to >thin their apples and also reduce all the bee populations. Most of us would think no one could be that stupid. But I've met people like this, so I believe....... Once they have their crop on the trees, they don't even think about bees until the next bloom. - And will get sore if reminded..... Sevin (trade mark) is used for apple thinning at petal fall. If all the petals have actually fallen, the trees are no longer in bloom, bees will not be visiting, and will be unaffected (they could however be still coming to dandelions or other weeds, where they could pick up the poison). The use of Sevin, while trees are actually still blooming, is a clearcut violation of the label, so beekeepers who suffer damage should be able to get some action, if they are assertive enough. In the northeast, extension tree fruit people used to recommend petal fall applications when petals were 3/4 down. We got that stopped when we called it to their attention that this would be a violation of the label, and that this was a recommendation of misuse. We also let it be generally known that violators would be reported to the pesticide enforcement folks. (A camcorder is a great tool to record the evidence.) An acquaintance of mine was wiped out of the beekeeping business by PenncapM during the tail end of bloom. Sevin would have been nearly as bad. Both would be in violation to use while bees are still visiting remaining bloom. If you are a beekeeper in orchard country, don't eat the damage. You have legal tools to protect your bees (and all bees at the same time). Misusers get away with it all the time, because no one will challenge them. Some of the state authorities claim there is no problem with pesticide kills of bees, because they don't get many reports. But mention pesticides at any beekeeper meeting, and you'll have a hot topic with many sad tales. When will be stop being hand-wringing wimps and begin to protect our charges? And we'll be doing the fruit grower some good, even if he may not appreciate it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.west.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Research Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711082021352788@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10228 *FYI* reply to address below this line.. ---------------------------------------- From: "J. Anthony Stelzer" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:36:24 -0500 Subject: Varroa Research Greetings to the Bee-L, Our appeal last year for varroa mites from subscribers to the list went quite well. A warm "Thank You" to those who sent samples. Based on the preliminary DNA study, different types of varroa were found to exist. For example, varroa mites collected from Brazil are genetically different from Louisiana mites. We now need to do a survey on the genetic diversity of varroa mites in the United States. To do this project, we need beekeeper help nationwide in collecting samples. We need a representative sample of 10-15 mites per colony from 3 - 5 colonies in each state. If you would like to help, know of someone who would, or would like further information, please reply to: jstelzer@asrr.arsusda.gov, or lguzman@asrr.arsusda.gov Thank you for your help. Lilia DeGuzman & Tony Stelzer USDA, ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics & Physiology Research 1157 Ben Hur Road Baton Rouge, LA 70820 (504) 767-9295, 767-9290 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ No matter where you go, there you are. Article 10229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!interramp.com!usenet From: "a" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB: Beeswax Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:10:03 -0600 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Lines: 11 Message-ID: <643jl8$np$1@usenet1.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.106.68 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10229 We are in search of a place to buy beeswax. We have found some in a local crafts store, but it is in various colors that would not work for our application; we need natural or bleached. Not to mention they were selling it for $13 per pound (is that the going rate or is that overpriced?). We do not need large quantities but would like to find a reliable source. Thank you, Colin's Guitar Works Nashville, TN http://earth.Vol.com/~cgw Article 10230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!john From: John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:19:12 +0000 (GMT) Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.87.240 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10230 I'm thinking of starting amateur beekeeping next spring. I've read a couple of books from my local library, but would like some more information... e.g. Name, address, telephone no, contact etc of English national organisation. The same for any local organisation near me (Milton Keynes is my nearest town). Is there a UK periodical for (amateur) beekeepers? Thanks in advance, John. -- John E.G. Savage. Tel/fax +44 (0)1525 237625 1 Oakwood Cottages, Stockgrove Park, Leighton Buzzard, Beds LU7 0BE UK Article 10231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:37:37 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34661101.709DC4F2@ne.mediaone.net> References: Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: John X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10231 John, Check out these sites: http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra http:www.thorne.co.uk There are also some sites for different regional organizations in UK (one I remember seeing before is Surrey). Thorne is a supplier of pretty neat beekeeping equipment over on your side of the pond, and IBRA is just amazing. If you get reeled into this "hobby" as many of us have, you will be very happy to have their site available to you for less than international telephone rates. Kathy Article 10232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: 9 Nov 1997 21:52:26 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19971109215201.QAA17495@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10232 John, Give Mathew Allan at Thornes, Oakley Green, Windsor, berks, SL4 4PZ a shout on 01753 830256 he runs the branch as well as being the editor of Bee Biz. He will be able to put you in touch with your local association and the national, he is also agent for most of the local mags and the internatioal ones. If you've got time try and get down to the National Honey Show at Kensington Town Hall (nearest Tube High St, kensington) on the Fri 28 Nov 9.30-7.00, Sat 29 Nov 7.30-5.00 there will be all the clubs and suppliers in attendance, as well as lectures etc. In the mean time I've found someone who might be localish to you, L.E. Services, 38 Rookery Road, Wyboston, Beds 01480 217887. Hope this is of help, Gareth. Article 10233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: gmaddux@mail.ptway.com (Greg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping regulations in Michigan? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:17:27 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3463146e.1812430@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 11935@199.176.148.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10233 I am interested in starting a hobby hive next spring and was wondering if there are any regulations specific to the state of Michigan. If there are I would appreceate it if you could tell me where to find them. thanks. Article 10234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!206.251.127.49!newsfeed.gte.net!meganews.telstra.net!loomi.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!news!ppp78.altu.net.au From: gbtele@altu.net.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting hives Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:55:37 +0800 Organization: Telstra Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34666999.6BCDBABF@altu.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.23.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10234 Is there any reason why hives are painted...could I just paint them with linseed oil or something similar to weather proof them? Article 10235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!demos!news1.relcom.ru!news.nsk.su!mpeks.tomsk.su!newsserv From: "Vladimir Rydzinski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keeping Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 16:21:02 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: no Message-ID: Sender: news-service@mpeks.tomsk.su Reply-To: bee@rvp.tomsk.su References: <01bce918$639ea700$0100a8c0@dca> X-Return-Path: rvp.tomsk.su!bee@rvp.tomsk.su Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 470 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10235 > Hi, > I'm looking for people busy in bee-keeping to exchange some pieces of > advice in this sphere and experience.I'm interesting in new methods. > I live in Russia. My name is Victor and I'm graduating from the Bee-Keeping > Academy. > I'm 27 y.o. > Please give me a message what other news-groups are dealing with > bee-keeping and where can I get sth new about it. > Victor > E-mail: office@dca.kuban.ru > Vladimir E-mail: bee@rvp.tomsk.su Article 10236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Gifts Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711100727092794@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10236 UNIQUE ONE IN A KIND BEEKEEPERS GIFTS (in time for Christmas) A beekeeping friend of mine invested much money and time in a Honey packing venture with a international conglomerate that did not work out...the story is too long and too sad to present here. But he did have some supplies left over other then a empty bank account, honey jars and labels. Because of the unique nature of them and the fact all beekeepers I know are always looking for something different to have and give as bee gifts so I have made arrangements to offer them to anyone who is interested, and repay some of his costs and make a few bucks for my efforts. For $20.US +$3.00 postage I will send you a sample and you decide if you want more. The package will contain one (1) POOH CAROUSEL BOOK, a favorite story about Winnie-the Pooh in a fun new format. You open the book and tie back the covers then turn it around to follow Pooh's adventures in five colorful three-dimensional scenes. Then turn the scenes over there you will find the text of the story from WINNIE-THE-POOH by A.A. Milne. This is a first quality pop out book and not available in book stores. Wonderful gift or Christmas stocking stuffer for child or adult. I will also include two (2) hand crafted and panted FAN PULLS, also one of a kind gifts, one is a Skept with bees painted on it, and one is a Honey Pot also hand painted. The wood fan pulls have about a foot of gold chain attached and those of you who know about such things and don't have overhead fans will find other uses for them I am sure. You can use your CC, MC or Visa and contact me via e-mail at: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com or send a check for $23.(US) each to: Andy Nachbaur 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635 For more then one to any one address the postage will be $3.00. Postage may be higher to off shore address and if you have any questions about shipment to your address please send direct e-mail to me. ttul, the OLD Drone PS. I hope to have some pictures I can send anyone who is interested in a closer look at these gifts, just e-mail me and ask for them and when I get them I will send them to you via email. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the bee sucks, there suck I; Article 10237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvesting bees for apitherapy in winter Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:46:11 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 35 Message-ID: <346780A3.BDDD0EB6@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Discussion of Bee Biology X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10237 I appeal to the wisdom of the list(s); A quick search on deja news yielded nothing substantial on this subject. We need info (please?) from beekeepers in harsh winter climates who are currently and have successfully over the years "harvested" bees from colonies during the winter for people who are currently using apitherapy. What we'd like to know is: What is your prefered method for removal? Do you entice the bees to the inner cover on a warm day and collect there? If so, what is your "warm day" threshhold? freezing? 40 F? Do you actually open the box and scoop from a frame, even though that may cause them to break cluster? Do you use the same colony(s) all winter or do you spread the risk to many colonies? To what extent have you experienced colony winter mortality to change? Do you take any additional steps to mitigate the effect bee removal has had on the colony(s) all winter, like candy boards &/or pollen substitute? How many bees are you harvesting each winter and for how many different people? Do you enter into any sort of agreement with your customer like: if the hive(s) die(s), you pay for the replacement package, queen, or whatever? Or do you include the cost of replacement in the price you charge for the bees? Have I forgotten to ask something important? We've been supplying bees to people all summer who can't afford to pay the shipping for bees to come all winter from southern beekeepers who are providing this service. Since we are still growing our operation, we really don't want to sacrifice our potential spring splits, don't really want to buy packages, and don't really want to say no to these people. Any advice will be useful, Thanks in advance, Kathy Article 10238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34668514.E86FFD5D@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:52:52 +0200 From: m nikolas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: K Cormier Subject: Re: propolis References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.75 Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!139.92.84.75 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10238 Propolis is to be found at the entrance of a hive. That is what the term means. It is much like wax, it looks unappetizing but it is a remedy. Among other things, it is an antibiotic, and perhaps an aphrodisiac. You may want to visit my site http://www.expage.com/page/propolis K Cormier wrote: > I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I > have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about > it. Article 10239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.west.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OCT Honey Prices Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711101800462796@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10239 Some OCT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS AUG 1997 totals 56.0 million kilograms | | EXPORTS 2.5 million kilograms | | CANADA (NONE REPORTED) | : : | ARGENTINA | | Clover 74.5-77 E/Coast white + | | | | MEXICO Mixed 69 Gulf light amber + | | Texas Tallow 62-70 light amber + | | Idaho Alfalfa 75 white | | NORTH DAKOTA | | Clover 71-77 white + | | CALIFORNIA | | Sage/Orange 70 white | | ORANGE 85 amber | | Mixed Flowers 59-61 ex lt amber - amber | | MONTANA Clover 71-79 white | | S. DAKOTA Clover 70-74 white : | WASHINGTON Clover 73 white | | Alfalfa 63 lt amber | | Mint 61 amber | | Utah Alfalfa 73 white | | WISCONSIN Clover 80-84 white | |____________________________________________________________| \ The market continues even to up new crop size not known / \ expected to be less then 1996. Imports over 100.000.000 lbs \------------------------------------------------------/ (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. Article 10240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hives Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:22:33 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3467B359.E1961E62@valley.net> References: <34666999.6BCDBABF@altu.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-150.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10240 gbtele@altu.net.au wrote: > Is there any reason why hives are painted...could I just paint them with > linseed oil or something similar to weather proof them? greetings, there was a long thread here on painting hives just a couple of weeks ago. you might be able to find it by doing a search with deja news. painting, to the best of my knowledge [always a severely limiting factor], serves multiple purposes. first, it protects the hive, itself, from the elements. to that end, preserving a hive with a clear weatherproofing agent should accomplish the same goal. if the hive is made of a wood like cedar, then the results could be quite attractive. another reason for painting a hive is to alter its heat absorption quality. for this reason most hives are painted white, at least in the U.S., in order to render them more reflective to the sun's energy. reducing heat absorption in the summer reduces the burden on the bees to cool the hive. less energy spent cooling the hive means more energy available for collecting nectar and, ultimately, honey production. if a hive begins to overheat, then foraging bees will remain with the hive, fanning their wings in and around the entrance to cool it. they may also bring water into the hive to cool it via evaporation. depending on where you are located geographically, and the local environment of the hive [full sun, v.s. full shade, for example], this may or may not be of concern to you. finally, some beekeepers paint their hives a light shade of green or tan, so that they will blend in better with the local flora, thus, reducing the potential for vandalism. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest7t@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I need plans for a hive box (bee house) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:06:05 -0600 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3467CB9D.2658@galstar.com> References: <345f935d.3305111@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: star0907.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10241 fixne@nospam.flashh.nnet wrote: > > I am tearing down an old building, for the lumber, and found a bee hive. > It is cool enough here in the morning, and night, to move them without > aggravating them too much. So... I need a "house" to move them into. If you have > plans, i would like to get a copy, either post here, or e-mail me, and i can > give you my Fax number. > Thanx > Steve (@ flash.net) > > PS any other info that would help me get started would welcomed http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html is the place to go. Have Fun! Article 10242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghall@nocrap.usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hives Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:27:26 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3467d043.2296747@news.usit.net> References: <34666999.6BCDBABF@altu.net.au> <3467B359.E1961E62@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.170 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10242 Bill I have also heard that some races of bees can detect different colors so painting in some instances would help prevent drifting> Richard >> Is there any reason why hives are painted...could I just paint them with >> linseed oil or something similar to weather proof them? > > greetings, > >there was a long thread here on painting hives just a couple of weeks ago. >you might be able to find it by doing a search with deja news. > >painting, to the best of my knowledge [always a severely limiting factor], >serves multiple purposes. first, it protects the hive, itself, from the >elements. to that end, preserving a hive with a clear weatherproofing agent >should accomplish the same goal. if the hive is made of a wood like cedar, >then the results could be quite attractive. another reason for painting a >hive is to alter its heat absorption quality. for this reason most hives >are painted white, at least in the U.S., in order to render them more >reflective to the sun's energy. reducing heat absorption in the summer >reduces the burden on the bees to cool the hive. less energy spent cooling >the hive means more energy available for collecting nectar and, ultimately, >honey production. if a hive begins to overheat, then foraging bees will >remain with the hive, fanning their wings in and around the entrance to cool >it. they may also bring water into the hive to cool it via evaporation. >depending on where you are located geographically, and the local environment >of the hive [full sun, v.s. full shade, for example], this may or may not be >of concern to you. finally, some beekeepers paint their hives a light shade >of green or tan, so that they will blend in better with the local flora, >thus, reducing the potential for vandalism. > >hope this helps, > >bill > >######################################## > >don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > >greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] >bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 > > Article 10243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Thomas E. Hale II" Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Message-ID: <01bcee4b$5682c5a0$6bd628cf@ed.trader.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.40.214.107 Date: 11 Nov 97 05:43:56 GMT Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.120.67.7!tcnntp.trader.com!207.40.214.107 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10243 > I'm thinking of starting amateur beekeeping next spring. I've read a couple > > Is there a UK periodical for (amateur) beekeepers? John: I am looking in the October 1997 issue of "American Bee Journal". In the classifieds they list a periodical called "Bee Craft"- the offical monthly journal of the British Beekeepers Association. Etc.... "Write to Sheelagh White, 15 West Way, Copthorne Bank, Crawley, Sussex RH10 3QS UK Phone (+44) 1342-712119 I think you can figure all of that out. There is also a listing for British Bee Journal Monthly 46 Queen St. Geddington, Kettering, Northamptons-hire, England Hope this helps. Ed Hale Article 10244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ray & Deb Jamieson" Subject: AGRICULTURE EXCHANGE! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bcee87$e610fd40$9c011fce@nqfzxeod> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-st026.essex1.com Date: 11 Nov 97 09:57:38 GMT Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.1.4!news.essex1.com!dial-st026.essex1.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10244 hello I shall be brief. I work on behalf of a gentleman who is putting U.S. farmers and investors in touch with profitable agricultural (on national levels) investments and learning exchanges in Argentina. I know this is brief but... if it sound remotely like something that may interest you...then email me at rdjjxjj@essex1.com THANKS Joshua Article 10245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hives & drifting bees Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:34:33 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 52 Message-ID: <34687B08.1D42F606@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34666999.6BCDBABF@altu.net.au> <3467B359.E1961E62@valley.net> <3467d043.2296747@news.usit.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Richard Hall X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10245 Richard Hall wrote: > Bill I have also heard that some races of bees can detect different > colors so painting in some instances would help prevent drifting> > Richard Richard, I believe that would only work if you painted all your hives differently. And I'm not sure but that all honeybee races are able to make color distinctions. Isn't color (including UV) one of the primary cues they use to scout food? Some of our beekeeping friends (the ones who get the "scrap" paint at the hardware store) purposely mix up the colors of their boxes so the each hive has a different look and might therefore be recognizable as home to specific foragers. I remember reading about some research done (sorry I can't find the reference material) on painting landing boards with different colors and geometric patterns (don't remem. if UV paint was used) that reduced the drift in colonies that were placed in a long row. I seem to remember it was fairly significantly, something like a reduction of losses from the middle colonies by at least 20%. If someone more organized than I am can find the research and I've gotten it wrong, please correct me. I also remember some research about orientation of the hive entrance. I think someone also did some studies on another row of hives in which the entrances all faced a slightly different direction (I think as little as 3-4 degrees). I believe that study also had some significant reduction in drift from the control hives that were placed in a straight row. I wonder if anyone has ever combined the two methods of drift reduction, whether they "measured" the result and whether it had even more impact on drift. Also, I wonder if anyone has ever studied the effect the height of the hive entrance has on the amount of drifting... I think that I may have observed drifting (in a new outyard that we picked up from another beekeeper late this summer) to be in favor of higher main entrances and to the detriment of those hives with lower main entrances. I'm gonna play with that this summer, if I can't find any existing research on it (& maybe I'll experiment with this theory anyway). Back to the painting for temperature idea, someone was recently telling me at an EAS (I think it may have been Tony Jadzak, ME apiary inspector) that he paints, or knows of someone who paints their hives white on two sides and black on two sides. He faces the white sides toward the sun in the summer and the black sides toward the sun in the winter... interesting idea! Kathy Whose active imagination may sometimes cause her to "remember" things. Article 10246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!willow.paisley.ac.uk!newsmaster@paisley.ac.uk From: "Tom Caddell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test - please ignore! Date: 11 Nov 1997 16:03:35 GMT Organization: University of Paisley - Quality Centre Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bceebc$2cdd6360$330cbf92@qc2.paisley.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qc2.paisley.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10246 test Article 10247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.206.0.75!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!news.gwis.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark D. Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scientific information Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:28:20 -0500 Organization: Gateway to Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3468B1D4.77E8@HistoryEnterprises.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1p19.gwis.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10247 Hello, I am a Ph.D. Candidate at Case Western Reserve University writing my dissertation on information systems during the Cold War. I am currently researching Soviet computing machines as well as Soviet abstracting, translation, and bibliographic services--particularly VINITI (The All-Union Institute of Scientific and Technical Information). I am sending a post to this newsgroup in an attempt to find anyone with first hand knowledge of these information systems during the 1950s and 1960s. If you have any interest in contributing your thoughts to my research, please email me at the below address: mdb@HistoryEnterprises.com Thank you. Mark D. Bowles, Ph.D. Candidate Case Western Reserve University Article 10248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.west.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OCT Honey Prices Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711111300232799@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10248 Some OCT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS AUG 1997 totals 56.0 million kilograms | | EXPORTS 2.5 million kilograms | | CANADA (NONE REPORTED) | : : | ARGENTINA | | Clover 74.5-77 E/Coast white + | | | | MEXICO Mixed 69 Gulf light amber + | | Texas Tallow 62-70 light amber + | | Idaho Alfalfa 75 white | | NORTH DAKOTA | | Clover 71-77 white + | | CALIFORNIA | | Sage/Orange 70 white | | ORANGE 85 amber | | Mixed Flowers 59-61 ex lt amber - amber | | MONTANA Clover 71-79 white | | S. DAKOTA Clover 70-74 white : | WASHINGTON Clover 73 white | | Alfalfa 63 lt amber | | Mint 61 amber | | Utah Alfalfa 73 white | | WISCONSIN Clover 80-84 white | |____________________________________________________________| \ The market continues even to up new crop size not known / \ expected to be less then 1996. Imports over 100.000.000 lbs \------------------------------------------------------/ (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. Article 10249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: marbles100@aol.com (Marbles100) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for beekeeping job Date: 11 Nov 1997 21:38:43 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19971111213801.QAA26597@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10249 Experienced Beeman looking for beekeepers job. From Nov. 12, 1997 to April 1,1998. Please contact me by e-mail at Marbles100@aol.com Article 10250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:00:25 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <346937E9.30D9@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.70.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10250 In my area (Long Island, New York.. Honey prices are as high as $5/pound!! Lalo Article 10251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ladislao Guerra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting hives Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:06:30 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34693956.73B4@earthlink.net> References: <34666999.6BCDBABF@altu.net.au> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.70.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10251 gbtele@altu.net.au wrote: > > Is there any reason why hives are painted...could I just paint them with > linseed oil or something similar to weather proof them? I have found a cover called "super spar" by BEHR which claims an UV sun blocking formula. I just put it on my hives this Fall...It might work..it says marine and uotdoor use... hope it works. Lalo Article 10252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:31:11 +0000 Organization: . Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.00 Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10252 In article , John writes John, I'm not sure exactly where you live but, since I live only a few miles from Milton Keynes, I guess that you must be reasonably near. If you want to give me a call sometime and ask any questions that you may have, I shall try to answer them. >I'm thinking of starting amateur beekeeping next spring. I've read a couple >of books from my local library, but would like some more information... >e.g. > >Name, address, telephone no, contact etc of English national organisation. > >The same for any local organisation near me (Milton Keynes is my nearest town). > Bedfordshire Beekeepers Association:- Secretary Ian Beaty 13 Bowling Green Road Cranfield MK43 0ET 01234 - 750635 Also, you might like to take a look at http:/users.powernet.co.uk/bees I notice that someone else has suggested that you contact Lew Ellison (LE Services) but he is the Associations district representative for the Sandy area, which is quite a way from you. If you cannot get hold of either myself or Ian, the next best bet may be to contact the District representative for the Amthill area:- Mr. R.M. Porter 2 Flitwick Road Maulden MK45 2DN 01525 - 402216 >Is there a UK periodical for (amateur) beekeepers? > Bee Craft, BeeKeepers Quarterly, Bee-Lines etc > >Thanks in advance, John. > -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Snail : Toddington, Bedfordshire. LU5 6QF England Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1525 875570 Article 10254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:59:08 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3469D24C.E9E0484F@ne.mediaone.net> References: <346937E9.30D9@earthlink.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10254 Ladislao Guerra wrote: > In my area (Long Island, New York.. > > Honey prices are as high as $5/pound!! > > Lalo I'm moving to Long Island! Article 10255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newbabylon.rs.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: David Cappaert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Pollen Supply Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:45:10 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3469EB25.269A@umich.edu> Reply-To: cappaert@umich.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pm036-28.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10255 I work with the Ann Arbor, MI office of Koppert Biologicals, a company that supplies bumblebee colonies for pollination in greenhouses. We use large quantities of fresh pollen (1000+ pound lots) as food for our bees. I would be interested in hearing from beekeepers that might be able to supply us, now or in the future. --David Cappaert cappaert@umich.edu Article 10256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!nntp2.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!willow.paisley.ac.uk!newsmaster@paisley.ac.uk From: Tom Caddell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DIY Honey Extractor - Design Input Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:58:05 +0000 Organization: University of Paisley Quality Centre Message-ID: <3469A7DD.6757@student.paisley.ac.uk> Reply-To: tomcad@caddell.u-net.com NNTP-Posting-Host: qc2.paisley.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10256 My name is Stuart McCallum and I am a student at the University of Paisley where I am reading Mechanical Engineering. I am currently involved in a group project which is responsible for designing a Honey Extractor for 'Do-It-Yourself' (DIY) use. As part of a 'users requirement's capture' our group would appreciate any comments that you may have concerning your past experiences (good and bad) with DIY Honey Extraction equipment and any suggestions for design considerations. Thanks in advance, Stuart McCallum University of Paisley Dept of Mechanical & Manufacturing Engineering and The Quality Centre High Street Paisley Tel : 0141-848-3000 E-mail : sm921784@student.paisley.ac.uk Article 10257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <346A23F3.686B76B6@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:47:32 -0500 From: "Philip M. Hempel" Reply-To: phempel@communicationssystems.com Organization: Communications Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Greg Subject: Re: Beekeeping regulations in Michigan? References: <3463146e.1812430@news.ptway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.105.84 Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.105.84 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10257 Call Mike Hanson the State Apiarist at: 616.428.2575 or fax 616.429.1007. He can send you the latest regs for Michigan from his office. Good Luck Phil Hempel www.blossomland.com phempel@blossomland.com Greg wrote: > I am interested in starting a hobby hive next spring and was wondering > if there are any regulations specific to the state of Michigan. If > there are I would appreceate it if you could tell me where to find > them. thanks. Article 10258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gatech!131.96.1.12.MISMATCH!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TBH beekeeping...Observation Hives Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:52:09 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: arachnid.Gsu.EDU 879378739 20197 (None) 131.96.1.18 X-Complaints-To: usenet@arachnid.Gsu.EDU Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10258 I've finished a page on Observation TBH's and linked it up on the tbh website at: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm The new page is 326K, but it has a number of photos which should help you build an observation hive that will work well for you. A photo of Terry and Jeannie's observation hive made from a hollow log is also on the page along with their description of how they made it. Recent threads, especially on BEE-L, dealing with bee venom therapy suggests that observation hives may offer BVT adherents a way to maintain a colony in the winter. Top bar lowtechnology makes it easy. If you prefer to go directly to the page, go to: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/obshiv.htm I hope that your year is going well. Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping Website: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Article 10259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ray & Deb Jamieson" Subject: AGRICULTURE EXCHANGE! Newsgroups: ntu.agri.as,ntu.agri.forestry,ntu.agri.horticulture,ntu.agri.ppe,ntu.agri.vet,ntu.dep.agri_chem,ntu.dep.agri_eco,ntu.dep.agri_eng,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Message-ID: <01bceffa$9c1f7120$91001fce@nqfzxeod> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-st515.essex1.com Date: 13 Nov 97 06:11:18 GMT Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.1.4!news.essex1.com!dial-st515.essex1.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22096 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10259 sci.agriculture.fruit:1270 hello I shall be brief. I work on behalf of a gentleman who is putting U.S. farmers and investors in touch with profitable agricultural (on national levels) investments and learning exchanges in Argentina. I know this is brief but... if it sound remotely like something that may interest you...then email me at rdjjxjj@essex1.com THANKS Joshua Article 10260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Treating National hives. Date: 13 Nov 1997 10:54:51 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 32 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <64em9r$7bs$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10260 Hi All, A couple of weeks ago I posted a question about treating/painting my hives.... Thanks for the replies, I was interested in tghe various disscussion threads that lead from it... It was particularly interesting and what made me think most was that we are beekeepers from all round the world with different conditions to work with and different environments to work in, devising our own solutions to problems.... On a damp and foggy morning in Yorkshire I have concluded the following for what is best for my hives. I will treat them with cuprinol (In Britain it is available in three forms, The original green formulation with copper, a clear cheaper version, and an all singing all dancing version that treats for woodworm with pyrethrum). I am going to use the clear (and cheapest) version as it has no copper or pyrethrum (appologies for my spelling). I have decided on clear as it will still show off the nice cedar boxes, and havde decided against paint for the same reasons, and reckon that my climate is too damp for sealing them up with paint. Some asked about how to cover hive roofs, I've put some old off-cuts of roofing felt on my flat roofs, and this dos not look too bad. I intend to make some more roofs this Winter and will probably make some sloping roofs, as my hives have an ornamental role as well, So I should not have the problem of a rusty tin roof. I also intend to make some floors, I notice that there are many different styles and designs, does anyone havee a favourite? Paul. Article 10261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: lester X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are You Ready for El Nino? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.156.254.39 Message-ID: <346b88af.0@christy.intop.net> Date: 13 Nov 97 23:09:35 GMT Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.53!pull-feed.internetmci.com!christy.intop.net!206.156.254.39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10261 Presenting The Dawley Homepage Weather Website! http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/4419/ Featuring an Easy-to-Use Push-Button format suitable for new weather fans! Designed for high-speed use, you can obtain valuable weather information and maps you need during this El Nino year! You’ll find the latest from the National Weather Service, arranged so you can find the weather that applies to you! You won’t have to look all over the Net to find weather that applies to your area. The Dawley Homepage Weather Website has one purpose in mind: To deliver your weather to you as quickly as possible, in an easy-to-use Push-Button format. Our own meteorologist is constantly checking the El Nino situation, and is providing The Dawley Homepage Weather Website with valuable information used in content and design. Improvements are always being incorporated into The Dawley Homepage Weather Website, so check back often. visit us today! http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/4419/ Article 10262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: "Elizabeth M. Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: observation hive Date: 13 Nov 1997 23:24:20 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <64g274$1u7$0@208.18.94.138> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.94.138 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10262 I'm getting geared up to start building my observation hive and have a question. How do you keep the glass clean? I was thinking about putting hinges on the glass part so that I can clean it. what has experience taught any of you? As always, Thanks, Elizabeth Article 10263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!dsinc!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!honeysuckle.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!test181.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating National hives. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:31:35 -0500 Organization: slainte mhath Lines: 76 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <64em9r$7bs$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: test181.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10263 Hi Paul, I have made several outer-covers (telescoping roofs) and covered them with roofing paper, folded around the edges and stapled. A coat or two of latex paint goes over all. It is probably better to use some sort of thin sheet-metal as a covering, instead of the roofing paper, as I've found the paper tends to disintegrate after 3 or 4 years. (If I weren't holding each cover down with a brick that might not happen.) The local newspaper will often sell what they call "litho sheets", which are a very thin metal sheeting leftover from the newspaper processing. It is practically ideal for covering roofs and very easy to cut and fold. I'm not sure but I don't recall any of the roofs with that on them ever showing any rust (again, they are painted over anyway). I have found Cuprinol to be the easiest and best treatment as well. No peeling or flaking, and you can re-apply it where and as necessary -- it really gets into the wood. As far as the floors go, I make the new ones up from 3/8" or 1/2" cdx (exterior ply-wood), with a 3/8" rim on one side and 7/8" rim on the other side. In that respect they are like the "factory-made" floors, but actually I don't ever end up reversing them to change the entrance depth. One thing to consider would be whether or not the floor is to extend beyond the edge of the hive itself, as a lip or "landing area." R.O.B. Manley and others since have preferred a floor which ends flush with the hive front, so that water does not collect there and promote rotting. If you decide to make them flush, you can always set a piece of thin board, plastic or linoleum under the front of the floor, jutting out, as a landing platform. Have fun... JG In article <64em9r$7bs$1@pump1.york.ac.uk>, PAUL WAITES wrote: > Hi All, > > A couple of weeks ago I posted a question about treating/painting my > hives.... Thanks for the replies, I was interested in tghe various > disscussion threads that lead from it... It was particularly interesting > and what made me think most was that we are beekeepers from all round the > world with different conditions to work with and different environments > to work in, devising our own solutions to problems.... > > On a damp and foggy morning in Yorkshire I have concluded the following > for what is best for my hives. > > I will treat them with cuprinol (In Britain it is available in three > forms, The original green formulation with copper, a clear cheaper > version, and an all singing all dancing version that treats for woodworm > with pyrethrum). I am going to use the clear (and cheapest) version as it > has no copper or pyrethrum (appologies for my spelling). I have decided > on clear as it will still show off the nice cedar boxes, and havde > decided against paint for the same reasons, and reckon that my climate is > too damp for sealing them up with paint. > > Some asked about how to cover hive roofs, I've put some old off-cuts of > roofing felt on my flat roofs, and this dos not look too bad. I intend to > make some more roofs this Winter and will probably make some sloping > roofs, as my hives have an ornamental role as well, So I should not have > the problem of a rusty tin roof. > > I also intend to make some floors, I notice that there are many different > styles and designs, does anyone havee a favourite? > > Paul. Article 10264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.171.20.9!news.nkn.net!news.cybernews.net!news From: "Bill McLain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers in Texas Date: 14 Nov 1997 03:29:45 GMT Organization: CyberNews Network Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcf0ad$a7812b40$2cae37cf@billmcla> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal44.dhc.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10264 I am interesting in starting a colony or two in the Plano Texas Region(Collin County). In case no one realizes where that is, it is just North of Dallas, TX. Are there any bee groups/keepers in this area? I assume there would be a couple in McKinney. I know there are some in Johnson County, but that is a little far to drive. Thanks Bill McLain Article 10265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers in Texas Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:24:30 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <346c25e1.108059619@news.earthlink.net> References: <01bcf0ad$a7812b40$2cae37cf@billmcla> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.185.181 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10265 "Bill McLain" wrote: >I am interesting in starting a colony or two in the Plano Texas >Region(Collin County). In case no one realizes where that is, it is just >North of Dallas, TX. >Are there any bee groups/keepers in this area? The Collin County Hobby Beekeepers Association meets monthly in McKinney. It's a great organization for learning about beekeeping. For more info, contact Barbara Corbin at (972) 727-4561. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!210.120.128.205!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!chollian!UMUL From: UMUL@chollian.dacom.co.kr (õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: 14 Nov 1997 11:07:34 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <64hbdm$p0m$1@news2.dacom.co.kr> References: <344F9FE0.1DBBFAF0@nbnet.nb.ca> <34668514.E86FFD5D@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magicall2.dacom.co.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10266 ** m nikolas (mnikol@ibm.net) wrote: : Propolis is to be found at the entrance of a hive. That is what the term : means. It is much like wax, it looks unappetizing but it is a remedy. : Among other things, it is an antibiotic, and perhaps an aphrodisiac. You : may want to visit my site http://www.expage.com/page/propolis : K Cormier wrote: : > I am interested to know where in the bee hive I would find propolis. I : > have been told people use it for a remedy. Anyone know anything about : > it. Article 10267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Worker Bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:19:52 -0600 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <346C5E06.4F2@earthlink.net> References: <64g274$1u7$0@208.18.94.138> Reply-To: dvisrael@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.63.240 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) To: "Elizabeth M. Bowles" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10267 Elizabeth M. Bowles wrote: > How do you keep the glass clean? I was thinking about putting hinges on > the glass part so that I can clean it. what has experience taught any > of you? There is not much you can do except use a putty knife on the inside when you remove the bees. The bees glue the glass to the hive and it is very difficult to remove it. I do not feel that hinges will help. Article 10268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu!mdillon From: "Mark D. Hoover" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood for frames Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:10:22 -0800 Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10268 Is there any reason that I shouldn't use redwood for making frames? Are there any other woods I should avoid? Article 10269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.4.94.15!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu!mdillon From: "Mark D. Hoover" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moth-balls Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:13:57 -0800 Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10269 The other day while I was at a Dadant outlet and asked for a methol product to treat tracheal mites the sales person suggested that I use moth-balls. Is there any merit to this suggestion? I've never heard any mention of moth-balls for mite treatment before. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping web site Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:26:32 -0600 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <64gum1$j6a$1@usenet48.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19658@208.142.202.212 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10271 I just started making a Beekeeping web site. I am trying to get a list together of all the Beekeeping/ Bee Groups as possible. Please feel free to check it out and add your group to the list. I am open to any suggestions for the site. I am trying to make it a fun place and hope to add chat to it real soon. www.prohive.com Len A. Davis Webmaster www.prohive.com Article 10272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:25:12 +0000 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <64g274$1u7$0@208.18.94.138> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk [194.222.36.211] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10272 In article <64g274$1u7$0@208.18.94.138>, "Elizabeth M. Bowles" writes >I'm getting geared up to start building my observation hive and have a >question. > >How do you keep the glass clean? I was thinking about putting hinges on >the glass part so that I can clean it. what has experience taught any >of you? > >As always, >Thanks, > >Elizabeth > Dear Elizabeth, I have built several Observation hives and keeping the glass clean is not a problem just take care not to spill feed syrup if using a top feeder. It is best to construct it with hermetically sealed double glazed units which your local glazier should be able to make up. I find that the concept of using the strength of the glass to support the woodwork rather than the other way round is best, using RTV silicon sealent as the adhesive. Basically the construction is a glass box which can be seperated for cleaning once a year in the spring and a sliding inner assembly to hold the frames. My Ob hives all have thier entrances at the top which allows for a sliding floor which does need cleaning more often. Don't over fill with bees in the spring and use a 2-3 year old queen which will have a lower rate of lay. Building a bee vacuum is a handy way of increasing the population in the depth of winter be pinching bees from a full strength coloney. It is also useful if all the flying bees escape into the lounge when you are away on a business trip and your spouse comes home first. Laugh? she did'nt start :-) Anyway I could rattle on for ages until I had written a book on Ob hives, however if you have any questions drop me a line. Cheers Graham. Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ z z Z Z Z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ \ y / //v-v\\ || || Article 10273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tnanderson@aol.com (TNAnderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The First Garden Date: 14 Nov 1997 18:36:39 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19971114183600.NAA03538@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10273 Scientists Follow a Grain to the Origins of Agriculture Food: DNA study suggests crops began in Turkey. Primitive society apparently embraced farming quickly. Get the whole story on http://www.latimes.com Article 10274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in News Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711141806342803@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3450CB39.C66@clinic.net> Lines: 80 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10274 Beekeepers in the News _ _ _______ ______ _____ _ _ _ | \ | | ____\ \ / / ___| | ___| | __ _ ___| |__ | | | \| | _| \ \ /\ / /\___ \ | |_ | |/ _` / __| '_ \ | | | |\ | |___ \ V V / ___) | | _| | | (_| \__ \ | | | |_| |_| \_|_____| \_/\_/ |____/ |_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_| (_) The last month still finds APITHERAPY and the promotion of the movie ULEES GOLD as the most mentioned beekeeping articles on the internet news online circuit. One story worth reading maybe the idea that "COLD INTERBREEDING TAKE STING OUT OF "KILLER BEES", you could find that at: http://www.austin360.com/news/09sep/02/stings2.htm Maybe one of our readers could do a follow up on the two Florida beekeepers who were arrested for assault and kidnapping another Florida beekeeper they suspected of "beehive burning" as I could not find more then the fact one was in the slammer and one was on the run. This week heard on the local farm radio and not seen in print comes word that two African beehives were discovered in the heart of the prime Northern California Bee Breeding area. Not to worry they were destroyed and nothing was said about any drones getting away. These two hives were reported for attacking workers on a construction site. The company had moved in equipment from Arizona and the story was slanted so you would believe these bees came in with the construction equipment and were really Arizona bees after all. It is interesting to note none of the major print companies picked up on this story and I have not found mention of it on the net. From the echo freaks come this last gem.... Earthquakes Tropical Storms Volcanoes Rat Scare Bee Tragedy About 900 million South African bees died this year, largely due to the meeting of incompatible cousins from different climate zones. The massive die-off was caused when Cape bees were transported to the north of the country to feed off plants that bloom at different times of the year. Their higher pheromone levels threw off the breeding patterns of the native African honeybees. Then the migrant bees were found to be unable to endure the harsher climate of northern South Africa. The sudden loss of the bee population threatens fruit crops as well as native plants. http://detnews.com/1996/menu/stories/61053.htm Maybe some South African beekeepers can give us the facts? Number of hives, beekeepers, and the real problem, like the regional use of pesticides on local crops, etc. All the news was not all that bad, everyone should notice the SUE BEE advertisement in this months ladies magazines and remember "not one cent of your tax money paid for any part of it". It's just too bad that the rest of the honey packing industry relies on the National Honey Board to do their promotion for them. Do you ever wonder what happens to any industry that that does their own advertising and promotion without big brother's foot prints? Years ago before government got into the honey promotion business many different packers use to advertise, sure the smaller one's used local advertising on radio, and even some advertised at sporting events. Now they leave it to big brother and the honey packing industries idea of advertising is to give a discount or "kick back" to some super market buyer which the public never sees as a reduction of price. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. 111497 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 10275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Moth-balls References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:42:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2-dialup18.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <346cfea3.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.idt.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10275 In article , "Mark D. Hoover" wrote: >The other day while I was at a Dadant outlet and asked for a methol >product to treat tracheal mites the sales person suggested that I use >moth-balls. Is there any merit to this suggestion? I've never heard any >mention of moth-balls for mite treatment before. > Mark, in case no one else says anything..**DON'T DO IT** What an excellent way to kill bees. I'm sure there was some kind of misunderstanding in the conversation. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 10276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:12:47 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <64javm$n1j$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <64g274$1u7$0@208.18.94.138> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp19.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10276 In article <64g274$1u7$0@208.18.94.138>, "Elizabeth M. Bowles" wrote: >I'm getting geared up to start building my observation hive and have a >question. > >How do you keep the glass clean? I was thinking about putting hinges on >the glass part so that I can clean it. what has experience taught any >of you? My observation hive had fixed plexiglass sides and it stayed pretty clean, but I think think hinges would be a good idea. For one thing, if you had hinges on the glass you could get the little larvae out real easy and raise a queen. I tried raising queens last year and it was pretty easy. All you need is a little wax cup, some royal jelly and a tiny probe to get a tiny larvae out of a cell. This would be fun to watch. Article 10277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.44.64.7!news3.spinne.com!news.spinne.com!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees and debris Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:07:47 -0800 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <64je80$id$2@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf0053.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10277 One of my two hives has been collecting a whole lot of debris on the landing area, including various parts of dead bees. There are also many dead bees on the ground in front of the hive.. What should I do to investigate this further? Tobin fricke@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu Article 10278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees and debris Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:11:16 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <64jlea$jt$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <64je80$id$2@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp30.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10278 In article <64je80$id$2@news01.deltanet.com>, "Tobin Fricke" wrote: >One of my two hives has been collecting a whole lot of debris on the landing >area, including various parts of dead bees. There are also many dead bees >on the ground in front of the hive.. As winter approaches, the lazy drones are booted out of the hive. This is the way the cookie crumbles for them. Article 10279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!demos!www1.relcom.ru!news1.relcom.ru!ns.serpukhov.su!usenet From: "Kirill V. Kochetkov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: software programm Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:57:10 -0800 Organization: IBC Lines: 2 Message-ID: <346E52F6.19@geocities.com> Reply-To: kkochetkov@geocities.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.ibioc.serpukhov.su Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10279 Please help me find subject usefull for agronom. Mail me please!!! Thanks. Article 10280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking of starting - UK advice? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:44:32 +0000 Organization: . Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10280 In article , Paul Walton writes >Also, you might like to take a look at http:/users.powernet.co.uk/bees Correction: http://users.powernet.co.uk/bees/bbkahome.htm -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Snail : Toddington, Bedfordshire. LU5 6QF England Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1525 875570 Article 10281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-penn.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tornix.tornado.be!not-for-mail From: "rvc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pesticide use and beekeeping Date: 15 Nov 1997 21:20:06 GMT Organization: Tornado News Processing System Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bcf1f9$5cd45020$1b4495c2@rvc> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.149.68.27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10281 I am looking urgently for all data or experiences concerning the effects of using imidacloprid (pesticide of Bayer) on beekeeping. In particular the use of imidacloprid for the envelopping of sunflower seeds and the consequences of this on beekeeping. rvc@tornado.be Article 10282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rvc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pesticides and bees Date: 15 Nov 1997 21:31:33 GMT Organization: Tornado News Processing System Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bcf1fa$f6c73660$1b4495c2@rvc> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.149.68.27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!tornix.tornado.be!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10282 I am looking urgently for all data concerning the effects of IMIDACLOPRID (pesticide of Bayer) on beekeeping. In particular the consequences of IMIDACLOPRID used for the evelopping of sunflowerseeds on bees. rvc@tornado.be Article 10283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!news.greatbasin.net!not-for-mail From: jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to confirm differing breeding of EHB and AB Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:54:40 GMT Organization: Great Basin Internet Services, Reno, NV Lines: 10 Message-ID: <346dfc53.3883481@news.greatbasin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wellman.reno.nv.us X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10283 Hi, I had a few hives a few years ago in N. California. Recently on a trip to Mexcio I got to talking with some people about the threat of AB, and how hybridization was not a realistic alternative. Aside from the replacing queen problem, someone mentioned that when the AB breeds, the drone, and soon to be queen can fly higher, higher than EHB would fly. I have never heard of this. Is is true? Jesse Wellman jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us Article 10284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uncapper Date: 15 Nov 1997 20:26:31 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 4 Message-ID: <64l0hn$k0h@mtinsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.96.167 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10284 Hello Folks: Looking for any info for a friend who is looking to buy a Pennrose Uncapper. Any thoughts about this Uncapper would be appreciated. Ken Article 10285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth-balls Date: 16 Nov 1997 01:19:35 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <19971116011901.UAA04022@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10285 In article , "Mark D. Hoover" writes: >Subject: Moth-balls >From: "Mark D. Hoover" >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:13:57 -0800 > >The other day while I was at a Dadant outlet and asked for a methol >product to treat tracheal mites the sales person suggested that I use >moth-balls. Is there any merit to this suggestion? I've never heard any >mention of moth-balls for mite treatment before. > >Thanks, > >Mark H > > Moth balls will cure you of bees, moths, mites and perhaps give you cancer. Moth balls are used only for the prevention of wax moth in stored comb. Be very careful that you get para type mothballs for moth control the other types will harm your bees Article 10286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mike & luci white Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees and debris Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:52:39 +0000 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <346E27B7.8D785596@globalserve.net> References: <64je80$id$2@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin10.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: Tobin Fricke Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10286 Sounds to me like this hive is just down sizing it self for the oncoming winter. You did not say where you live. Here in southern Ontario I noticed my hives started doing this about two week ago. When it gets cooler they don't fly as far from the hive before they die. -- Mike Article 10287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.multipro.com!usenet From: "JWEST" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA Research on Varroa Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:02:50 -0600 Organization: The MultiPro Network Lines: 6 Message-ID: <64lqor$p9i@news.multipro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 53.ippool.ckvlsouth.multipro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10287 Has there been any research information released on the Russian bees brought into the USDA Station on Grand Terre Island, LA? Article 10288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!207.126.101.60.MISMATCH!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in News Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:37:23 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <346F1333.3061@worldnet.att.net> References: <3450CB39.C66@clinic.net> <9711141806342803@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12701@205.216.79.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Andy Nachbaur Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10288 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > Maybe one of our readers could do a follow up on the two Florida > beekeepers who were arrested for assault and kidnapping another Florida > beekeeper they suspected of "beehive burning" as I could not find more > then the fact one was in the slammer and one was on the run. > i believe one of the parties involved has advertised their operation for sale in the latest (september) speedy bee. Article 10289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:03:16 -0700 From: P h i l Reply-To: goldpnr23@ibm.ten X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hello! A question from an interested lurker. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.75 Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!129.37.243.75 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10289 Hello! I have a few questions I hope someone will answer. 1. A local honey seller at the farmers market made the remark that beeswax was actually pure pollen. I always thought beeswax was secreted from the abdomen in flakes, then used by the bees. WHat is the truth on wax? 2. Is there any truth to the conversations that using mint will control mites? 3. A few years back, I used to get catalogs from some beekeepers named The Apis Brothers. Now I know Apis means bees, but has anyone heard of these brothers.. their books seemed to make sense. Are they still in business? Thank you. -- P h i l antispam - to reply via email, remove the 23 and change the ten to net Article 10290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!ppp-86-9.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:29:15 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 53 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-86-9.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10290 Its time to take my Apistan strips out of the hive, Its been an early and severe winter, and the snow is well above the bottom board, and the hive has long since been securely wrapped to protect it ( Im a single hive hobbiest) from a series of strong Nor'easters . Do I really HAVE to remove the strips, or can I wait until either a break in the weather ( seems unlikely) or until early Spring? Wont opening the hive in cold weather that goes well below freezing at night be more of a risk than leaving them in? Advice please.... -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- April 1993- November 15, 1997 Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments "Live Free or Die" Article 10291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:06:20 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <346FC2BC.10FE@earthlink.net> References: <346937E9.30D9@earthlink.net> <3469D24C.E9E0484F@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.55.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10291 Kathy Hough wrote: > > Ladislao Guerra wrote: > > > In my area (Long Island, New York.. > > > > Honey prices are as high as $5/pound!! > > > > Lalo > > I'm moving to Long Island! Yes...but the cost of living on LI are extremely high...eg...rental of 3 bedroom house $15oo-2,000....gas $1.25 for cheapest...milk $2.15 a gallon! Think twice before you moe to LI! Lalo Article 10292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hello! A question from an interested lurker. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:24:47 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <40B47DC51ED498B4.580BF5325EA3D1BC.B4502BEC138B166A@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <64o8rg$61q@library.airnews.net> References: <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Nov 16 20:06:41 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal46-29.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10292 P h i l wrote: >1. A local honey seller at the farmers market made the remark that >beeswax was actually pure pollen. I always thought beeswax was secreted >from the abdomen in flakes, then used by the bees. WHat is the truth on >wax? Phil, you are correct. There are two wax producing glands on the underneath side of the abdomen (two on each side; for a total of four). >2. Is there any truth to the conversations that using mint will control >mites? Mint, no (at least not proven); Menthol, yes (for Tracheal mites; not Varroa) >3. A few years back, I used to get catalogs from some beekeepers named >The Apis Brothers. Now I know Apis means bees, but has anyone heard of >these brothers.. their books seemed to make sense. Are they still in >business? I have not heard of these folks. BusyKnight Dallas, TX Article 10293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:10:44 -0500 Lines: 63 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-15.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-15.wr.hom.net Message-ID: <346fd9ea.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.oru.edu!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin1-15.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10293 It won't hurt a bit to leave the strips in all winter. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] Ira Seskin wrote in message ... >Its time to take my Apistan strips out of the hive, Its been an early and >severe winter, and the snow is well above the bottom board, and the hive >has long since been securely wrapped to protect it ( Im a single hive >hobbiest) from a series of strong Nor'easters . Do I really HAVE to remove >the strips, or can I wait until either a break in the weather ( seems >unlikely) or until early Spring? Wont opening the hive in cold weather >that goes well below freezing at night be more of a risk than leaving them >in? > > >Advice please.... > > >-I- > >-- > _ > /_/_ .'''. > =O(_)))) ...' `. > \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz > `..' > > /| __ > / | ,-~ / > Y :| // / > | jj /( .^ > >-"~"-v" > / Y > jo o | > ( ~T~ j > >._-' _./ > / "~" | I AM HAVING A > Y _, | BAD > /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY > / l/ ,-"~ \ > \//\/ .- \ > Y / Y* > l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ > (" ~----( ~ Y. ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- > April 1993- November 15, 1997 > > Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments > iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments > > > "Live Free or Die" > > > > Article 10294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Craft Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in News Date: 17 Nov 1997 07:26:16 GMT Organization: MagicNet, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <64orio$p5g$1@comet3.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm61-04.magicnet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10294 tomas mozer writes: > Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > > > Maybe one of our readers could do a follow up on the two Florida > > beekeepers who were arrested for assault and kidnapping another Florida > > beekeeper they suspected of "beehive burning" as I could not find more > > then the fact one was in the slammer and one was on the run. > > i believe one of the parties involved has advertised their operation for sale in the > latest (september) speedy bee. I believe that the man who is selling out is the father of one of the involved parties. Article 10295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!Gamma.RU!srcc!news1.relcom.ru!ns.serpukhov.su!usenet From: "Kirill V. Kochetkov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: software programm Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:55:52 -0800 Organization: IBC Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3470BD68.16BC@chat.ru> References: <346E52F6.19@geocities.com> Reply-To: kvkochet@chat.ru NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.ibioc.serpukhov.su Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10295 Please help me find subject usefull for greenhouse agronoms. Mail me please!!! Thanks. Article 10296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pesticides and bees Date: 17 Nov 1997 14:44:07 GMT Lines: 57 Message-ID: <19971117144401.JAA18029@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bcf1fa$f6c73660$1b4495c2@rvc> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10296 Subject: pesticides and bees From: "rvc" >I am looking urgently for all data concerning the effects of IMIDACLOPRID >(pesticide of Bayer) on beekeeping. >In particular the consequences of IMIDACLOPRID used for the evelopping of >sunflowerseeds on bees. You can start by checking the label. In the US, and I presume Europe would be similar, the label is a legal document, and application must follow the directions. The label should be available from whatever stores in your area sell the product. If the material is toxic to bees, it will have specific directions for protecting bees, listed under "Environmental Hazards." This means that the bee who forages in the application area (the field of sunflowers....) is protected by law, no matter where the hives are. Generally, if the material is toxic by direct contact only, the directions will allow use only when bees are not foraging. So the applicator has a legal duty to check so as to know the hours that bees forage, and apply accordingly. You can help the applicator determine this by the times your bees carry sunflower pollen. If the material is also residual, the label directions will say so. If it is highly residual (such as Penncap M *trademark*) there will also be more specific directions under each application situation. So the law gives you clues as to toxicity, and also a good tool for protecting the bees. Here in the US, there is little effort to apply and enforce the bee protection aspects of the labels, unless beekeepers are assertive. That means that applications in violation have to be monitored. A camcorder is a great tool for neighborhood watches. When applicators realize that this is the law and that there are penalties, word travels fast, and much of the MISUSE will get cleaned up. I did have a web address with a bibliography of hundreds of research papers on effects on non-target organisms, but, alas, the address has been changed or eliminated. Anyone else have the correct one? The material you mention is a trade name and does not show up in any of my other materials. You need to identify the chemical name, probably, to find such info. And for that, you need a copy of the label. You can find some more general info on bees and pesticides on the pollination web site below. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:04:59 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 7 Message-ID: <64qiau$630@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <346fd9ea.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.145.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10304 Chip McCurdy wrote: > > It won't hurt a bit to leave the strips in all winter. > Whether it hurts or not is irrelevant. To leave them in is a use contrary to the label instructions. Article 10305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hello! A question from an interested lurker. Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:59:41 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <64qmmm$1b8@library.airnews.net> References: <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten> <40B47DC51ED498B4.580BF5325EA3D1BC.B4502BEC138B166A@library-proxy.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Nov 17 18:15:19 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal28-10.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10305 Tom Speight wrote: >Actually, there are four pairs - eight in all - but who's counting? Correct, there are four wax producing glands on each side; eight total. (I was going from memory....and you know they say thats the *first* thing to go....). BusyKnight Dallas, TX Article 10306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-fw.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.gb.co.cn!usenet From: Yuhua Peng Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cooperative Researchers Are Wanted. Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:32:46 +0800 Organization: Oil Crops Res. Inst., CAAS Lines: 64 Message-ID: <346C994E.E5CA119C@public.wuhan.cngb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.93.112.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D13757570D1C5FE30495339D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10306 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D13757570D1C5FE30495339D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------D13757570D1C5FE30495339D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="nickell.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nickell.htm" Content-Base: "file:///C|/My%20Documents/peng/nickell .htm"

Cooperative  Research Partners Are Needed !

Titile:
                    Effects of the Increasing Global Temperature on Soybean Production

Objectives:
                   1. To Estimate the effects of the increasing global temperature on the soybean production in regins of different  temperature, including the cooler regions as Northeat China, North America and the hotter regions such as Hubei,China.
2. To improve the tolerance of soybeans developed in the cooler regions to the Higher Seed-Filling-Temperature using  tolerant gerplasms identified in Wuhan, Hubei, China.  3. To Study the Strategies for the Higher-Temperature-Regions, for example Wuhan, Hubei, China , to enhance soybean tolerance to the higher and increasing seed-filling-temperature.

Our Pregress:
                  1. Found some severe inadapted phenomina caused by the higher temperature when soybeans of  cool region origin are planted in subtropical  Wuhan. 2. Found the increasing seed-filling-temperature is menacing some old and newly developed soybean varieties which were thought adapted to Higher Seed-Filling-Temperature. 3. Have many soybean germplasms showing better tolerance to high seed-filling-temperature.
 

If interested, please respond to yhpeng@public.wuhan.cngb.com, or send fax to 86-27-6816451
 

  --------------D13757570D1C5FE30495339D-- Article 10307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!dsinc!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!honeysuckle.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!test181.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:55:51 -0500 Organization: slainte mhath Lines: 50 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bcf3aa$00552060$5042f6ce@jwasko.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: test181.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10307 Here we go again. ;-) Do you leave the spent strips in, or open the hive in the cold to remove them? The strips have been in the hive for the recommended time. So supposedly, they are no longer providing the original dose, are of no more use, and are to be discarded. So, what if they are left in? Having a low, residual dose remain, by leaving the strips in until spring, would allow some mites to survive (mites tolerant of that low level). When you treat again in spring, you are hitting them with a high dose again, and any mites not susceptible to the lower dose are taken care of. The fluvalinate is soluble in beeswax, so actually you end up with a bit in the combs themselves. If you are really worried about low levels of fluvalinate remaining, and resulting tolerance in the mites, then you would have to remove your brood combs when you remove the spent strips... Apistan never gets 100% of the mites, anyway. A high (or higher than prescribed) dose of fluvalinate would always leave *some* mites. In that case, those surviving would be the ones to go on to produce tolerant offspring. As I understood the situation, it was high levels which resulted in the problems in Italy. The apistan are packaged in a cardboard box from the manufacturer. I wonder how much of the fluvalinate is dissipated just in storage, once the outer wrapping is removed. (I put them in ziplocks and into a freezer, but am not sure that makes any difference.) In article <01bcf3aa$00552060$5042f6ce@jwasko.crosslink.net>, "jason" wrote: > Ira, > I believe that you should remove the strips from your hive as directed by > the instructions because after that period of time the potency of the > strips begins to diminish. If left on the hive the surviving mites could > develop a higher level of resistance to the strips because the potency of > the strips is no longer lethal to them. I'm not sure about the risk of > opening the hive in very cold conditions. > good luck > > Ira Seskin wrote in article > ... > > Its time to take my Apistan strips out of the hive, > > Do I really HAVE to remove > > the strips, or can I wait until either a break in the weather ( seems > > unlikely) or until early Spring? Wont opening the hive in cold weather > > that goes well below freezing at night be more of a risk than leaving > them > > in? Article 10308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!! - Beekeeping Supplies in Vermont Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 07:48:41 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <17C2A6DDDS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3470EAF5.757F@document.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10308 In article <3470EAF5.757F@document.co.uk> Darren Lyne writes: > >I will be visiting Vermont in the near future and I would like to know >if there are any Beekeeping equipment suppliers in the state.... It may be further than you care to drive, but Better Bee (in Greenwich, NY) is not far from the Vermont border. Map Quest (http://www.mapquest.com) will give directions for the 115 mile journey. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 08:11:05 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 57 Message-ID: <17C2A731BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10309 In article iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: > >Its time to take my Apistan strips out of the hive, Its been an early and >severe winter, and the snow is well above the bottom board, and the hive >has long since been securely wrapped to protect it ( Im a single hive >hobbiest) from a series of strong Nor'easters . Do I really HAVE to remove >the strips, or can I wait until either a break in the weather ( seems >unlikely) or until early Spring? Wont opening the hive in cold weather >that goes well below freezing at night be more of a risk than leaving them >in? > > >Advice please.... > > Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments > iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments > > "Live Free or Die" > !!!! DIATRIBE WARNING !!!! I think if I read this question one more time I'll explode!!! Regarding leaving the strips in until spring, it's counter to label instructions, which is a violation of the law and makes "strip leavers" criminals. It is also suggested that such misuse of the product can lead to Apistan resistance. Ira, you answered your own question before the first comma. "It's time to take my Apistan strips out of the hive, ..." Make that comma a period and spare us the lame excuses. You simply can't justify leaving the strips in with concern about opening the hive when it'e too cold. Open the hive, pull the strips, close the hive. Five minutes of cold is no crime compared to 4 months of product misuse when the label says 6 weeks. Too cold? Too snowy? Too inconvenient? Too bad!!! Just do it!!! I am always amazed when people read the product label instructions and then turn around and ask if they can use the product in a manner inconsistent with the label. "Do i really HAVE to remove the strips, or can I wait...." The answer is yes you CAN wait, but every action has it's consequences. The world won't end, but there is a price. Perhaps the price is you have fluvalinate build up in your brood combs. Perhaps the price is varroa becomes resistant to Apistan. Perhaps the entire industry looses the ONLY TOOL WE HAVE to combat varroa! Perhaps the price is you feel a little guilty and nothing more. But the label instructions state what they state. Anything outside of what is stated is a misuse of the product, period. Any beekeeper who uses Apistan counter to label instructions comits a crime. Any beekeeper who advises another beekeeper to use Apistan counter to label instruction is an accomplice in crime. Any beekeepers who use Apistan counter to label instructions do a disservice to the entire industry. This is not a grey issue, it's black and white!!! Aaron Morris - Thinking the more beekeepers read the label, the less they get it!!! Article 10310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:14:08 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3471CCE0.C2B20A8E@ne.mediaone.net> References: <346937E9.30D9@earthlink.net> <3469D24C.E9E0484F@ne.mediaone.net> <346FC2BC.10FE@earthlink.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10310 Dr. Lalo wrote: > Yes...but the cost of living on LI are extremely high...eg...rental of > 3 > bedroom house $15oo-2,000....gas $1.25 for cheapest...milk $2.15 a > gallon! > > Think twice before you move to LI! > > Lalo Those prices are no higher than northeast MA... in fact the gasoline price is lower.. I'm happy to find 189 octane at $1.35 per gal. Milk is 2.10 gallon right now, three bedroom house rental is same, though market is tight enough right now, few rentals are available. Lowest real estate prices in my community and bordering are 180K with average being 300-350K. I think it's not cheap anywhere, anymore, but getting paid more for what I do would help... Kathy Article 10311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Treating National hives. Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:42:16 -0800 Organization: High Gravity Lines: 30 Message-ID: <34725208.2019@open.ac.uk> References: <64em9r$7bs$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10311 PAUL WAITES wrote: > I also intend to make some floors, I notice that there are many different > styles and designs, does anyone havee a favourite? I like floors made of 6mm (1/4") ply, let into routed grooves in the side bars, so that the floor is reversible and slopes. If you haven't a router, cut four identical wedge-shaped pieces for the sides, and screw through with countersunk brass screws. Hardwood is superior. To give you a better idea, draw an oblong about 1" high and 6" long on a bit of A4. Mark a point 2/3 of the way up the LHS, and another 2/3 of the way down the RHS. Connect these with a straight line. The sloping line represents the groove you need to rout out to accept your 6mm ply, or it represents the saw cut you should make to make wedges between which you screw your ply if you haven't got a router. You'll need two more bars for the back of each side of the floor. The ply is good as it helps prevent the embarrassing leak of bees that sometimes happens if your floor is made out of thin boards. It is also more draughtproof. As it slopes, minor level problems that cause water to collect in a pool on the floor are avoided - the water drains out of the bees' front door! Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. Article 10312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!nntp.flash.net!news.blkbox.COM!blkbox.com!danb From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making votive candles Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:16:42 -0600 Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (281) 480-2686 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10312 Hi all, Am making votive candles as described in Richard Taylor's little book (Beeswax Molding & Candlemaking). Flame is too small. Am using same size wick as for dipping tapers. Anyone here make these and can steer me in right direction? - Cynthia Buchsbaum DanCyn Goats Farm Houston, TX Article 10313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.enteract.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news From: "matt shobe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: the "dance" bees do to indicate pollen Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:39:09 -0600 Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 13 Message-ID: <64sqsa$ifa@eve.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jacksonhole.dkaweb.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10313 is there a scientific name for the communicative 'dance' bees do to indicate the location of pollen to their coworkers? also, is there any other scientific language surrounding this type of "hive" communication? any help on this question would be greatly appreciated by a novice to this field! --- matt shobe chicago, il Article 10314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Craft Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: 18 Nov 1997 20:14:43 GMT Organization: MagicNet, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <64ssvj$d9u$1@comet3.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm61-39.magicnet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10314 . I'm happy to find 189 octane at $1.35 per gal. > Kathy > What do you run on 189 octane fuel ? Article 10315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: cc@broadwing.com (CC) Subject: Gallons = ? lbs X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Organization: Broadwing Communications Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mnh-1-05.mv.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:52:36 GMT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.wizvax.net!mv!cc Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10315 Can anyone give me a decent estimate of how many pounds of honey make up a gallon? We usually fill up quart jars, we don't have standard honey jars.. -- Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com Broadwing Communications Inc. "helping your ideas take flight" Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs http://www.broadwing.com 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. Article 10316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:23:28 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34725BB0.2733@earthlink.net> References: <346937E9.30D9@earthlink.net> <3469D24C.E9E0484F@ne.mediaone.net> <346FC2BC.10FE@earthlink.net> <3471CCE0.C2B20A8E@ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.177.125 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10316 Kathy Hough wrote: > > Dr. Lalo wrote: > > > Yes...but the cost of living on LI are extremely high...eg...rental of > > 3 > > bedroom house $15oo-2,000....gas $1.25 for cheapest...milk $2.15 a > > gallon! > > > > Think twice before you move to LI! > > > > Lalo > > Those prices are no higher than northeast MA... in fact the gasoline > price is lower.. I'm happy to find 189 octane at $1.35 per gal. Milk > is 2.10 gallon right now, three bedroom house rental is same, though > market is tight enough right now, few rentals are available. Lowest > real estate prices in my community and bordering are 180K with average > being 300-350K. I think it's not cheap anywhere, anymore, but getting > paid more for what I do would help... > > Kathy Ok! Kathy...if you want to move...move! We have a nice group of Beekeepers here...The Long Island Beekeepers' Club. Lalo Article 10317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.gb.co.cn!usenet From: Yuhua Peng Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cooperative researchers are wanted. Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:37:33 +0800 Organization: Oil Crops Res. Inst., CAAS Lines: 41 Message-ID: <346CD2AC.B14EDDA6@public.wuhan.cngb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.93.112.118 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------43F7CE2D15312A2F2900B311" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10317 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------43F7CE2D15312A2F2900B311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------43F7CE2D15312A2F2900B311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="nickell.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nickell.txt" Cooperative Research Partners Are Needed ! Titile: Effects of the Increasing Global Temperature on Soybean Production Objectives: 1. To Estimate the effects of the increasing global temperature on the soybean production in regins of different  temperature, including the cooler regions as Northeat China, North America and the hotter regions such as Hubei,China. 2. To improve the tolerance of soybeans developed in the cooler regions to the Higher Seed-Filling-Temperature using the tolerant gerplasms identified in Wuhan, Hubei, China. 3. To Study the Strategies for the Higher-Temperature-Regions, for example Wuhan, Hubei, China , to enhance soybean tolerance to the higher and increasing seed-filling-temperature. Our Pregress: 1. Found some severe inadapted phenomina caused by the higher temperature when soybeans of  cool region origin are planted in subtropical Wuhan. 2. Found the increasing seed-filling-temperature is menacing some old and newly developed soybean varieties which were thought adapted to Higher Seed-Filling-Temperature. 3. Have many soybean germplasms showing better tolerance to high seed-filling-temperature. If interested, please respond to yhpeng@public.wuhan.cngb.com, or send fax to 86-27-6816451 --------------43F7CE2D15312A2F2900B311-- Article 10318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:28:08 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34726AD7.B10C3DFB@valley.net> References: <64ssvj$d9u$1@comet3.magicnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-115.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10318 Ed Craft wrote: > . I'm happy to find 189 octane at $1.35 per gal. > > Kathy > > > > > What do you run on 189 octane fuel ? the space shuttle. also, VERY hyperactive bees. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!test181.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gallons = ? lbs Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:59:47 -0500 Organization: slainte mhath Lines: 24 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: test181.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10319 Gallon = ~ 12 lbs. honey A quart jar normally holds 3 lbs. honey. (Mayo jars are often used as 3-lb honey jars for retail, using new white plastic caps, available from bee supply houses.) In article , cc@broadwing.com (CC) wrote: > Can anyone give me a decent estimate of how many pounds of honey make up a > gallon? > > We usually fill up quart jars, we don't have standard honey jars.. > > -- > Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com > Broadwing Communications Inc. > "helping your ideas take flight" > Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs > http://www.broadwing.com > 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) > Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. Article 10320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:59:00 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34730CC4.B222BFCE@ne.mediaone.net> References: <64ssvj$d9u$1@comet3.magicnet.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10320 Whoops, guess that's 89 (no 1). My car isn't that fast, yet. Kathy Ed Craft wrote: > . I'm happy to find 189 octane at $1.35 per gal. > > Kathy > > > > > What do you run on 189 octane fuel ? Article 10321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!passport.ca!ftn.net!not-for-mail From: Jay Mowat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used frames Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:20:41 -0500 Organization: Passport Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34732DF9.4C20@toronto.cbc.ca> Reply-To: mowatj@toronto.cbc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10321 Recently, I purchased a quantity of beekeeping equipment at auction including ten brood supers complete with frames. In this part of the world, supers from unknown apiaries need to be scorched by a torch on the inside to burn out any hint of American foulbrood. Most of the time, people say to simply burn the frames to be on the safe side. These frames have no comb in them, so there is no way to tell their history. They haven't been used in some time. Any opinions on what to do with the frames? Is there any way to treat them for American Foulbrood? Or should I burn them? Jay Mowat Article 10322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Library Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping degree Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:45:45 -0800 Organization: Orestimba High School Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34735E09.93B02BEA@inreach.com> Reply-To: s-orest@inreach.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 17071@209.142.2.178 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10322 I am a high school junior in California and I have been keeping bees for about a year now. I have been learning a lot from some local beekeepers and have been working with a beekeeper from Wyoming who comes down here for almond pollination season. My question is if I can get a beekeeping degree or something of that nature at a college anywhere. Please let me know, I would appreciate it. Sincerely, Zac Nelson Article 10323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used frames Date: 19 Nov 1997 22:28:30 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 39 Message-ID: <64vp6e$fmn$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <34732DF9.4C20@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10323 Hello Jay, I suppose it depends on whether or not you already have a problem with AFB and are already treating with TM preventatively. If you already have a lot of AFB infected (but suppressed) colonies, it may not make much sense to burn the frames. But if your yard(s) are clean, I'd burn them. AN alternate approach is the boiling lyebath treatment. As for torching the bodies, I'd recommend that you build a fire in a steel drum, then place the bodies on top of the drum, two at a time, stacked. The flames will be drawn through the interior of the bodies, scorching them within a few seconds. This is much faster than the propane torch approach... I wear a flannel shirt with the sleaves soaked (in water ) for safety, and also use heavy gloves. YOu also should have a couple of buckets with water in them and some sticks or poles to move the bodies around if necessary. Did the frames EVER have comb in them? If not they should be fine for use as is. -DT : Recently, I purchased a quantity of beekeeping equipment at auction : including ten brood supers complete with frames. In this part of the : world, supers from unknown apiaries need to be scorched by a torch on : the inside to burn out any hint of American foulbrood. : Most of the time, people say to simply burn the frames to be on the safe : side. These frames have no comb in them, so there is no way to tell : their history. They haven't been used in some time. : Any opinions on what to do with the frames? Is there any way to treat : them for American Foulbrood? Or should I burn them? : Jay Mowat -- Article 10324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hello! A question from an interested lurker. Date: 19 Nov 1997 22:39:47 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Message-ID: <64vprj$shs$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <346F5F94.75B6@ibm.ten> <40B47DC51ED498B4.580BF5325EA3D1BC.B4502BEC138B166A@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10324 : >2. Is there any truth to the conversations that using mint will control : >mites? : Mint, no (at least not proven); Menthol, yes (for Tracheal mites; not : Varroa) Results of mint oil treatments conducted at WVU seem to indicate that it works. See http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa2.htm I used peppermint oil last fall and this fall and have found it to work quite well. I.e., the few hives that actually did develop varroa infestations by August, were mite free by October, and loked fine last weekend when it warmed up enough to do a few quick checks. The only problem I have found is that it plays havoc with queen scuccessio, so you need to forgo treatment while raising (and possibly while introducing) queens. -DT Article 10325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth-balls Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:20:08 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34737428.399EE357@sprintmail.com> References: Reply-To: phempel@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.133.112.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: "Mark D. Hoover" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10325 That clerk is nuts!! Moth balls should not be put into a hive of bees for any reason. Phil Hempel www.blossomland.com Mark D. Hoover wrote: > The other day while I was at a Dadant outlet and asked for a methol > product to treat tracheal mites the sales person suggested that I use > moth-balls. Is there any merit to this suggestion? I've never heard any > mention of moth-balls for mite treatment before. > > Thanks, > > Mark H Article 10326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: "Philip M. Hempel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees and debris Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:27:33 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <347375E4.DC2443FC@sprintmail.com> References: <64je80$id$2@news01.deltanet.com> Reply-To: phempel@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.133.112.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: Tobin Fricke Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10326 Death and cleaning up are a fact of life. Bees will die and be disposed of by the living all year around. Debris will be found at the bottom of the hive also as a normal course of cleanup. A strong hive will have taken most of the debris outside as soon as temperature and the weather permits. Watch the hives and if this seems to becoming somewhat unusual - if you are in the Southern US -on the first good sunny day "pop open the lid". If you in the Northern US be carefull and check inside very carefully and on a dry sunny day. The cluster should be in the bottom box and fair in size. Phil Hempel www.blossomland.com Tobin Fricke wrote: > One of my two hives has been collecting a whole lot of debris on the landing > area, including various parts of dead bees. There are also many dead bees > on the ground in front of the hive.. > > What should I do to investigate this further? > > Tobin > fricke@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu Article 10327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping degree Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:20:33 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 15 Message-ID: <64vs04$if1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <34735E09.93B02BEA@inreach.com> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.96.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10327 Library wrote: > > I am a high school junior in California and I have been keeping bees for > about a year now. I have been learning a lot from some local beekeepers > and have been working with a beekeeper from Wyoming who comes down here > for almond pollination season. My question is if I can get a beekeeping > degree or something of that nature at a college anywhere. Please let me > know, I would appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > > Zac Nelson Don't know about rest of US, but UC Davis in California has very reputable entimology program. Article 10328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!ixa.net!nwnews.wa.com!entropy1!pilchuck!news From: clau@freemail.evo.it (claudio) Subject: Prova ; sorry X-Nntp-Posting-Host: frontier.ico.olivetti.com Message-ID: Sender: news@data-io.com (Usenet news) Reply-To: clau@freemail.evo.it Organization: Tolomeo S.p.A X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:37:34 GMT Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10328 test from a italian beekeper ! Bye Article 10329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping degree Date: 20 Nov 1997 01:29:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6503pr$cgk$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <34735E09.93B02BEA@inreach.com> <64vs04$if1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10329 In article <64vs04$if1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, George Styer wrote: > >Don't know about rest of US, but UC Davis in California has very >reputable entomology program. Entomology. Some entomology departments have apiculture classes, and maybe even specializations in apiculture (although I doubt it) but there is not a degree given in Apiculture--usually it is Agriculture, or Biology. Graduate school is different: you may specialize in Apiculture, but you want to say you are a chemical ecologist or a social insect specialist. Hanging out with good beekeepers and reading is the way to go! Adam (all of the above) -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used frames Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:49:37 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <347385fb.133930097@news.earthlink.net> References: <34732DF9.4C20@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.185.130 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10330 Jay Mowat wrote: > In this part of the >world, supers from unknown apiaries need to be scorched by a torch on >the inside to burn out any hint of American foulbrood. >Any opinions on what to do with the frames? ... should I burn them? Jay, you might consider simply using the equipment "as-is" and placing a terramycin patty on the colony instead of scorching boxes and destroying frames. Destroying equipment just because it might have spores may be a little extreme. Some bees are resistent to American foulbrood, too. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uhog.mit.edu!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees and debris Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:27:03 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34739012.136513273@news.earthlink.net> References: <64je80$id$2@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.185.130 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10331 "Tobin Fricke" wrote: >One of my two hives has been collecting a whole lot of debris on the landing >area, including various parts of dead bees. There are also many dead bees >on the ground in front of the hive.. It might be robbing. Severe robbing often leaves cell cappings on the bottom board, along with bodies of the losers from the robbing battle. To confirm, check the honey comb in the hive. If the cappings look torn and not neatly opened, it would indicate possible robbing. Something is not right if you see excessive dead bees and debris. Suggest that you check both honey stores and condition of the brood, and possibly reduce the entrance and take other actions to reduce colony stress in general if you can't find the cause. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!metro.atlanta.com!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gallons = ? lbs Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:48:18 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3473a366.27658534@nntp.atlanta.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: purcell.atlanta.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10332 cc@broadwing.com (CC) wrote: >Can anyone give me a decent estimate of how many pounds of honey make up a >gallon? > >We usually fill up quart jars, we don't have standard honey jars.. Very close to 12 pounds per gallon, or 60 pounds for a 5 gallon pail. Slight variability depending on moisture content. Honey with higher moisture content is slightly less dense, and weighs slightly less. For your purpose, a quart jar filled to the brim can be sold as 3 pounds. HTH Article 10333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34730351.EEB617A6@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:18:41 -0500 From: Allen Welk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: bill greenrose Subject: Re: rhododendrons and honey References: <#Rl89GY48GA.353@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com> <62ugh7$8c5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34553728.F7070EC4@valley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.137 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 39 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.137 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10333 Honey Bees do not like plants in the rhododendron familiy (ie azalias(sp)). I was told that rhododendrons are native to this continent and bees are not. Remember bees were brought here my Europeans. bill greenrose wrote: > Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > > On the property where my bee hives are located, there are about > > twenty Rhododendrons. One that has large red blossoms in the > > spring is about five feet from the entrances. So far, and possibly > > luckily, my bees have taken no interest in the Rhododendrons. > > I don't know if they don't like them, or they have just found other > > more interesting nectar sources. > > > > Here in the Seattle, I see only Bumble Bees on Rhododendrons. > > They seem to love them. > > > > Pete > > > > > > i hav a big ol' rhodo in my yard, about 40 feet from the hive, and i've > seen the same thing. the bumbles seem to love it, but i didn't see a > single honeybee on it. either they don't care for the nectar [given a > choice of forage], or the flower is just too big for them to reach it. > > bill > > ######################################## > > don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player > > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 10334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping degree Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:52:54 -0500 Organization: Biosource Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3473C226.5F44@ultranet.com> References: <34735E09.93B02BEA@inreach.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d3.dial-11.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 20 Nov 1997 04:56:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: s-orest@inreach.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10334 Library wrote: > > I am a high school junior in California and I have been keeping bees for > about a year now. I have been learning a lot from some local beekeepers > and have been working with a beekeeper from Wyoming who comes down here > for almond pollination season. My question is if I can get a beekeeping > degree or something of that nature at a college anywhere. Please let me > know, I would appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > > Zac Nelson Hi. Why don't you skip college and simply purchase some hives. Make a business rasing queens, package bees, or perhaps as a migratory or other beekeeper . Use the money that would be wastedgoing to college to start a business. Better,just put it in the bank. You will come out way ahead. College degrees are not worth much unless you want to work for someone else. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 10335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uhog.mit.edu!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.eerie.fr!news.dotcom.fr!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Complete study on beekeeping in Vietnam Date: 20 Nov 1997 09:50:36 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 34 Message-ID: <01bcf599$de006320$289ffcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: bdx5-40.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10335 We would like to draw your attention to a complete study on beekeeping in Vietnam (35 pages, 17 photos, 10 tables, 17 graphics) which is now available on the Web : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices/a_04_97_us.htm or http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices/a_04_97_us.htm We would appreciate your comments. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- (\ {((O8< (/ Gilles RATIA Consultant Apicole International Webmestre de la "Première Galerie Virtuelle Apicole au Monde" APISERVICES Groupe de Recherche et d'Assistance dans la Coopération Apicole "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Téléphone : 05 53 05 91 13 (ou +33 5 53 05 91 13 depuis l'étranger) Mobile : 06.07.68.49.39 (ou +33 6 07 68 49 39 depuis l'étranger) Télécopie : 05 53 04 44 57 (ou +33 5 53 05 44 57 depuis l'étranger) Email : apiservices@compuserve.com http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apiservices http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/apiservices ------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 10336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ph-279 From: username@server.ru.ac.za (Your Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 10:05:53 GMT Organization: Rhodes University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <651223$p30@quagga.ru.ac.za> References: <64ssvj$d9u$1@comet3.magicnet.net> <34730CC4.B222BFCE@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ph-279.lab.ru.ac.za X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10336 Kathy Hough wrote: >Whoops, guess that's 89 (no 1). My car isn't that fast, yet. >Kathy > Wow - wish we had prices like that here in South Africa. Petrol (gas) costs about US$2.90 a gallon (if I did my maths right) But then again the cars here are smaller and have more fuel efficient engines so the petrols costs are probably about the same. Keep well Garth Article 10337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!uunet!in3.uu.net!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.155.4.12!curly.newnorth.net!not-for-mail From: hoodoo@newnorth.net (107911) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee related surname Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:15:21 -0600 Organization: Newnorth Network Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rhin-cas1-cs-42.newnorth.net X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00.753 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10337 Hello, My surname is CMELAK which I have found out is Yugoslavian for "bumblebee" or "big bee". I know that bumblebees are not honey bees, but, I was wondering if anyone would have any information regarding a possible connection of my surname to the beekeeping world. About all I have found is that there is an airplane made in Czechoslovakia designed for crop- dusting named the CMELAK. My attempts to obtain information on it's origin have not produced much. Does anyone know of possible Yugoslavian bee products utilizing my surname, an English speaking Yugoslavian beekeeper, the history of beekeeping in Europe, or any other connection between the name CMELAK and beekeeping? Any help in this search would be appreciated. Thank you, Bill Cmelak Article 10338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used frames Date: 20 Nov 1997 16:54:03 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 16 Message-ID: <651pvb$nta$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <34732DF9.4C20@toronto.cbc.ca> <347385fb.133930097@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10338 John Caldeira (jcaldeira@earthlink.net) wrote: : Jay, you might consider simply using the equipment "as-is" and placing : a terramycin patty on the colony instead of scorching boxes and : destroying frames. Destroying equipment just because it might have : spores may be a little extreme. Some bees are resistent to American : foulbrood, too. : Regards, : John : ================================================ John, can you direct me to information on AFB resistant bees - I missed that one but am very interested! -Dave T. Article 10339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!news.minn.net!Nukem.winternet.com!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mineral oil ffor mites Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:28:25 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10339 Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using mineral oil? I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of bars. I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1 mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring. I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this method I think the mites can be wiped out completely. I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite Elroy Article 10340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: 21 Nov 1997 01:32:38 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19971121013201.UAA16533@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17C2A731BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10340 Amen brother Morris. Maybe it's a direct product of inbreeding, and i don't mean the bee's. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something! (me) Article 10341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used frames Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:38:42 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3474e4ef.223787549@news.earthlink.net> References: <34732DF9.4C20@toronto.cbc.ca> <347385fb.133930097@news.earthlink.net> <651pvb$nta$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.152 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10341 djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >John, can you direct me to information on AFB resistant bees - I missed >that one but am very interested! > >-Dave T. Dave, I don't have details, but Morse/Flottum (Eds.) write in ABC/ZYZ of Bee Culture, 40th Ed, p 123: "It is also a fact that honey bees resistant to American foulbrood can be found." -John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!news.minn.net!Nukem.winternet.com!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan... Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:57:29 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 63 Message-ID: <3474DC79.3AB1@starpoint.net> References: <17C2A731BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gravity-9.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10342 Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article > iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: > > > > >Its time to take my Apistan strips out of the hive, Its been an early and > >severe winter, and the snow is well above the bottom board, and the hive > >has long since been securely wrapped to protect it ( Im a single hive > >hobbiest) from a series of strong Nor'easters . Do I really HAVE to remove > >the strips, or can I wait until either a break in the weather ( seems > >unlikely) or until early Spring? Wont opening the hive in cold weather > >that goes well below freezing at night be more of a risk than leaving them > >in? > > > > > >Advice please.... > > > > Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments > > iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments > > > > "Live Free or Die" > > > > !!!! DIATRIBE WARNING !!!! > > I think if I read this question one more time I'll explode!!! > Regarding leaving the strips in until spring, it's counter to label > instructions, which is a violation of the law and makes "strip > leavers" criminals. It is also suggested that such misuse of the > product can lead to Apistan resistance. Ira, you answered your own > question before the first comma. "It's time to take my Apistan strips > out of the hive, ..." Make that comma a period and spare us the > lame excuses. You simply can't justify leaving the strips in with > concern about opening the hive when it'e too cold. Open the hive, > pull the strips, close the hive. Five minutes of cold is no crime > compared to 4 months of product misuse when the label says 6 weeks. > Too cold? Too snowy? Too inconvenient? Too bad!!! Just do it!!! > > I am always amazed when people read the product label instructions and > then turn around and ask if they can use the product in a manner > inconsistent with the label. "Do i really HAVE to remove the strips, > or can I wait...." The answer is yes you CAN wait, but every > action has it's consequences. The world won't end, but there is a > price. Perhaps the price is you have fluvalinate build up in your > brood combs. Perhaps the price is varroa becomes resistant to Apistan. > Perhaps the entire industry looses the ONLY TOOL WE HAVE to combat varroa! > Perhaps the price is you feel a little guilty and nothing more. But > the label instructions state what they state. Anything outside of what > is stated is a misuse of the product, period. > > Any beekeeper who uses Apistan counter to label instructions comits a > crime. Any beekeeper who advises another beekeeper to use Apistan > counter to label instruction is an accomplice in crime. Any beekeepers > who use Apistan counter to label instructions do a disservice to the > entire industry. This is not a grey issue, it's black and white!!! > > Aaron Morris - Thinking the more beekeepers read the label, the less they > get it!!! Boy I am sure glad I don't use apistan and have no mites, I wouldn't want to be a criminal. Think mineral oil Article 10343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!mr.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Antibotics in Honey Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9711202157222815@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10343 *FYI* I received this note from from Dr. Reimund Schuberth , who transulated a HONEY NEWS clip for us. From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:41:25 -0800 > > ... Can somebody from Europe clear this up, I heard antibiotics were > > found in Argentina honey and was refused from Europe, probably a bogus > > rumor or maybe an isolated case. > Can't comment one way or another on this rumor other than to observe > that with the concerns about TM resistance in Argentina, honey > contamination with antibiotics is plausible. You were discussing the question about antibiotics in honey from Argentina. I want to answer because someone asked for an opinion from old Europe. In deed there was an announcement of the press about antibiotics in honey from countries out of Europe. I read about that in my local newspaper in Germany. Let me translate this news from 13th Nov. 1997 without any comment and guarantee for exactness as good as I can: "ANTIBIOTIC RESIDUES IN Honey FROM ABROAD Zurich. According to a report of the Swiss TV foreign honey often contains residues of antibiotics. According to a report of the consumer magazine "Kassensturz" from late Tuesday evening mostly concerned is honey from Central America. Measurements on the honey importers' instructions produced a result of residues up to 0.8 mg per kg. Particular high values of the antibiotic Streptomycin are in the Mexican honey from Yucatan, the magazin was reporting. The residues in the honey belong to medical treatment, which beekeepers used to fight American Foulbrood." Greetings Reimund <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... That the still murmur of the honey bee Article 10344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:54:36 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3474DBCC.491B@ix.netcom.com> References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca9-38.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Nov 20 5:02:03 PM PST 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10344 Elroy Rogers wrote: > > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using > mineral oil? > > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of > bars. > I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it > would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of > samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1 > mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial > operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites > from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had > been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my > colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in > california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring. > > I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil > for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from > is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to > treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that > everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this > method I think the mites can be wiped out completely. > > I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite > > Elroy Elroy: good to hear such results. What is the ratio of water to mineral oil? Also, is the sugar water necessary? I'm assuming that when you spray on the top of bars, you've smoked the bees down. My understanding is that if the mineral oil gets on the bees bodies in big blobs, it kills them. vivian Article 10345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: ADF Zimbabwe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How large is the average beehouse? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:59:55 +0200 Organization: African Development Foundation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <347577BB.BA0FC2AF@id.co.zw> Reply-To: adf-zim@id.co.zw NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.33.153.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Cache-Post-Path: news.id.co.zw!unknown@196.33.153.113 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10345 Greetings We are a development agency in Zimbabwe, we would like to get information in following: 1. What it is the average size of a beehouse? 2. How many beehives should an average beehouse carry? 3. What is the flora requirement for this average beehouse, in a 5km radius. 4. What are the advantages of keeping bees in a beehouse Vs. scattered individual hives? 5. If anyone can direct us to a source for this information on the Internet, please send it to this address: adf-zim@id.co.zw Any and all replies appreciated. Sincerely CLO - African Development Foundation Harare, Zimbabwe Article 10346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How large is the average beehouse? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:48:44 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3475751C.793F@worldnet.att.net> References: <347577BB.BA0FC2AF@id.co.zw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12161@205.216.79.153 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: adf-zim@id.co.zw Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10346 sorry cannot help with your questions, but you can try to request info from: international bee research association at http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html and/or bees for development at http://www.planbee.org.uk good luck! Article 10347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth-balls Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:48:51 +0100 Organization: Frankfurt University Computing Center Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34759143.4513@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <34737428.399EE357@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nafp2-112.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10347 Philip M. Hempel wrote: > > That clerk is nuts!! Moth balls should not be put into a hive of bees for > any reason. > Even in stored combs mothballs are not without problems. Years ago an analysis of honey showed high residues of para-di-chlor-benzole, and nobody had an idea what was the origin. After a short time they found out, that smart beekeepers used normal mothballs to protect their combs from waxmoths. That was the source of the honey contamination. There are other ways to store combs free of waxmoths (freeze them, store them in continous air current -chimney-effect, or simply 60% acetic-acid evaporated in the storing suppers). Everything we put in the hives or in temporaly removed parts (combs) will show up later somehow in beeswax and/or honey (acarizides, antibiotics....) cheers Ulli Article 10348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.seicom.net!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibotics in Honey Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:59:53 +0100 Organization: Frankfurt University Computing Center Lines: 13 Message-ID: <347593D9.4B88@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <9711202157222815@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nafp2-112.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10348 Hi all, Just an additional information from Germany. In Germany the use of antibiotics in beehives is strictly forbidden by law. American foulbrood is controled by burning contaminated hives and frames and sometimes even the bees. The background of this law is the fact that extensive use of antibiotics causes earlier or later resistant germs. For that reason many antibiotics meanwhile useless to fight serious infections in human. Sometimes it becomes hard to find in particular cases effective antibiotics. Cheers Ulli Article 10349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!news.minn.net!Nukem.winternet.com!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:17:33 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 85 Message-ID: <3475C1B1.32D9@starpoint.net> References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> <3474DBCC.491B@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sol-5.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10349 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Elroy Rogers wrote: > > > > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the > > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using > > mineral oil? > > > > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, > > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of > > bars. > > I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it > > would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of > > samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1 > > mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial > > operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites > > from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had > > been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my > > colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in > > california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring. > > > > I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil > > for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from > > is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to > > treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that > > everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this > > method I think the mites can be wiped out completely. > > > > I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite > > > > Elroy > > Elroy: good to hear such results. What is the ratio of water to mineral > oil? Also, is the sugar water necessary? I'm assuming that when you > spray on the top of bars, you've smoked the bees down. My understanding > is that if the mineral oil gets on the bees bodies in big blobs, it kills > them. vivian Vivian, yes mineral oil will kill your bees if too much comes in contact with them. I was applying mineral oil to the top bars of my colonies without mixing, applied in long strips on all top bars. Problem with this process is that it is very time consuming and my back was killing me. Also after appling mineral oil to colonies in my back yard on one day I then returned the next morning only to see a cluster of bees morning over their Queen, what a sorry sight. Seems the Queen walked over the top bars right after my application and got too much mineral oil on her. I thought there must be a better way too apply mineral oil. If you try to mix mineral oil with water it won't mix, mineral oil is not water soluble even tried a blender. If you use enough sugar then it mixes by shaking vigourously before spraying, I used 3 cups water 3 cups sugar and 4 to 5 oz mineral oil. You can also put in about 6 drops of wintergreen or spearmint oil if you have alot of mites, the bees prefer not using the spearmint or wintergreen oil though. I sprayed my colonies in the morning before the bees fly they will then eat the sugar water and oil right away. This is their first food source of the day so I think it is more likely it will be feed to the brood instead of storing into honey cells. Mineral oil in any amount that comes in contact with the varroa mite will kill on contact. You must spray once a week to keep ahead of the brood cycles of every 8 days. It may take about a month to see results but it will work, you also have no mite build up in the fall. I also experimented with what the bees will tolerate when beeing sprayed directly on them and brood. I found if you can get the sprayer to spray a fine mist the bees don't seem to mind being sprayed. If you mix spearmint or wintergreen in the mix they get very annoyed, I even had a virgin queen take into flight right of the comb see never returned. I did use warm water when spraying directly on the combs and bees so not to kill the brood. The type of sprayer I used was one you can buy at any garden shop it holds about 1 gallon and has a pump on the top, it will cost about twenty dollars. The small 1 pint sprayers with trigger pump will work but not as good. Which ever sprayer you use the trick is shaking before spraying, mineral oil will separate in about 1 minute after shaking. You will see the mixture turn cloudy when the oil gets mixed in. I had apiaries of 6 colonies up to 20 miles apart, I could treat them and check for the need for honey supers in about 10 minutes. This process is simple enough even for the largest commercial operator. 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Presented in three parts, AGROProjects is designed to help you examine R&D trends and to monitor agrochemicals from their origins through to launch. Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications E-mail: jonc@pjbnet.demon.co.uk Article 10351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!1-59.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:39:18 -0400 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1134@206.103.0.63 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10351 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes, plus links to lots of mead sites to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html and http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Article 10352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukin!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!airtimetmp!news.airtime.co.uk!airtime.co.uk!parker From: "Chris Parker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:25:18 +0000 Organization: At Home... Lines: 37 Message-ID: <32518252297645ntc@airtime.co.uk> References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> Reply-To: parker@airtime.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: ac152.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NetcGold Professional - 3.02N (Gamma) 12000000 (c)1994-1997 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10352 In the news article <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> about "mineral oil ffor mites" dated 21 Nov 1997, it was said by Elroy Rogers that ... > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using > mineral oil? > A mixture of natural "essential" oils can be obtained in tablet form from an Italian supplier. In Italy it's possible to purchase these tablets under the name "API LIFE VAR" . I believe the contents include the following:- 74.1% thymol oil 16.0% eucalyptas oil 3.7 % menthol 3.7% camphor The tablets are placed in the hive on top of brood frames and left for ten days. The process is repeated three times, making a total of 30 days treatment. Efficiency is reputed to be upto 99% The treatment is most effective when the temperature is above 20 degrees C I've only just started using these 'cos it involves flying to Italy to buy the tablets !!! however it seems to be easier than spraying the inside if the Hive Chris -- Article 10353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: plallement@aol.com (Plallement) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQ of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Nov 1997 17:55:29 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971122175501.MAA15739@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.fr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10353 Is there a FAQ for this NewsGroup. Thanks Pascal Lallement Article 10354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FAQ of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Nov 1997 18:54:40 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6579pg$go2$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <19971122175501.MAA15739@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10354 In article <19971122175501.MAA15739@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Plallement wrote: >Is there a FAQ for this NewsGroup. Yes, but it's very old and needs to be updated. The FAQ and sites where other beekeeping FAQS are archived are obtainable from: http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees click on FAQS Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34772B57.C13@ibm.ten> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:58:31 -0700 From: P h i l Reply-To: goldpnr23@ibm.ten X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mineral oil ffor mites References: <3474F157.5771@starpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.76 Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!129.37.243.76 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10355 Elroy Rogers wrote: > > Last summer there was a lot of talk of the use of mineral oil for the > control of the varroa mite. Has anyone else had success or failure using > mineral oil? > > I've been using mineral oil mixed with sugar water in a spray bottle, > then spraying the front of the hive, inside top cover and on top of > bars. > I have excellent returns from the state bee inspector, who said it > would'nt work before the test was done. He did an ether roll out of > samples taken from 10 of the 40 colonies I now have, the result was 1 > mite from about 300 bees. The same test was done on a commercial > operators colonies the same day and location, which resulted in 10 mites > from 300 bees. The results could have been zero mite on my test if I had > been diligent in treating every week in the fall. I had not treated my > colonies for mite since the middle of august. These bees are now in > california, I am very anxious to see what returns to us in the spring. > > I have made a believer of one other beekeeper on the use of mineral oil > for the control of mites. The commercial beekeeper I bought my nucs from > is going to try mineral oil in the spring. This is such an easy way to > treat your colonies even for the large beekeepers. I am positive that > everyone who tries this method will be sold on it. If everyone uses this > method I think the mites can be wiped out completely. > > I hope this will help someone in the fight to control the varroa mite > > Elroy Glad to hear it! Could you post more specific details on how you mixed it, how you applied it, how often, etc? TIA -- P h i l --antispam - to reply via email, remove the 23 and change the ten to net Article 10356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <347782E4.16C9@accessatlanta.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:12:04 -0800 From: don@accessatlanta.com Reply-To: don@accessatlanta.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee related surname References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.5.99 Lines: 37 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.5.99 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10356 107911 wrote: > > Hello, > > My surname is CMELAK which I have found out is Yugoslavian for > "bumblebee" or "big bee". I know that bumblebees are not honey bees, but, > I was wondering if anyone would have any information regarding a possible > connection of my surname to the beekeeping world. About all I have found > is that there is an airplane made in Czechoslovakia designed for crop- > dusting named the CMELAK. My attempts to obtain information on it's > origin have not produced much. > > Does anyone know of possible Yugoslavian bee products utilizing my > surname, an English speaking Yugoslavian beekeeper, the history of > beekeeping in Europe, or any other connection between the name CMELAK and > beekeeping? > > Any help in this search would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Bill Cmelak Bill If if you do find any talkative yugo beekeepers send them my way. My moms family comes from Zagreb Yugoslavia, and their sirname was Yaska or Jaska Or something close but it was changed to Jaksa when they came to the U.S. I would be very interested in talking to any Beekeepers from this region some day I would like to make a trip there. Thanks Don Martin dmartin@accessatlanta.com Article 10357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!demos!carrier.kiev.ua!apex!usenet From: "Jaroslav Maslov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The offer Date: 22 Nov 1997 14:29:41 GMT Organization: âÕÈÇÁÌÔÅÒÓËÏÅ ÂÀÒÏ "íÁÓÌÏ×" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bcf74a$8ea5c380$958018c3@apex.apex.dp.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.24.128.149 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10357 The public accounting firm on Ukraine is interested by a set of the experts of book keeping for work in city Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine. It is certain to have the status CPA.