Article 27107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D861C8.D243D3CF@crosslink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:22:00 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> <8r987g$8k7$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn26.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 970495853 2558 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27107 Sorry guys I was in a hurry when I wrote that note. Anyway I am 50 miles south of Wash. DC and these are Buckfast bees and yes I think they were superseding since I could not find queen to remove when I requeened.. And after the swarm I checked and found 4 queen cells. Its been cool here around 50 at night ,I have closed off the entrance with screen wire I'll try that for a couple of days . Any advice???? Peter Edwards wrote: > Suspect that it is a mating swarm. > > Were they superseding when you put in the queen? Was there an old queen? > What brood was there? > > "L.E.G." wrote in message > news:39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net... > > I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming > back to > > rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? > And shoot > > I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? > > L.E.G. Article 27108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:40:59 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-nvKLdCYf9x91j+qBPmG92xvLECkZm6nhLxDBgG46/p9/ujLe9gG7znZchybFAhlFkCYIfv/KQOM4pQS!2Vg0JJ2wovewBvSXrqC5Fgj9RA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:40:42 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27108 Sometimes the old fashioned physical methods are best. Don't forget about the bug zapper method too. I've killed millions of moths with one of those. Mark "Dave and Judy" wrote in message news:39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net... > :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. > Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime the > door opened! > > He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every horizontal > surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to heave! > Did nothing for the moths. > > Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. > > Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them up. > It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. > Worked great. > > Judy in Kentucky > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in > > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the > > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. > Article 27109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D6D449.91CD31DC@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? What's the penalty? References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> <39d531ed.192816230@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h210.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:06:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 970380400 207.173.200.229 (Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:06:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:06:40 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27109 Well, the plot thickens. After some research, I found that Formic acid is on the DEA's Special Surveillance List. http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/chem_prog/advisories/surveillance.htm Apparently, it's used in the manufacture of something, but they're not saying what. Another casulty in the war on drugs... -srjones beekeep wrote: > > Actually we don't have it available here because if we scew up and get > hurt we go to a lawyer instead of a doctor. Nobody wants the > liability. > > beekeep > Article 27110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard Scheffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extractor Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:33:14 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8r6snq$m1j$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-167-119.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27110 Does anyone in UK have a second hand reasonable condition radial extractor for sale? Or can anyone tell me a web site where such are advertised? richard.scheffer@btinternet.com Article 27111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> <%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:59:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 970527582 206.130.189.223 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:59:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:59:42 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27111 Using a wax moth control, ie. Certan or B401 and spray it on brood frames will stop the 'little buggers' getting started. We do have it for those who want to use it. Contact us privately, please.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com admin@beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Mark" wrote in message news:%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com... > Sometimes the old fashioned physical methods are best. Don't forget about > the bug zapper method too. I've killed millions of moths with one of those. > > Mark > > "Dave and Judy" wrote in message > news:39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net... > > :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. > > Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime > the > > door opened! > > > > He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every > horizontal > > surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to heave! > > Did nothing for the moths. > > > > Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. > > > > Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them > up. > > It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. > > Worked great. > > > > Judy in Kentucky > > > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > > > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in > > > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > > > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > > > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > > > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > > > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the > > > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > > > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > > > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > > > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. > > > > Article 27112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "AgroHispana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb, the Hispanic page of Agriculture and Cattle raising Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:57:25 +0200 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.77.148 Message-ID: <39d719d5$2_1@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 1 Oct 2000 13:02:45 +0100, 195.5.77.148 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.77.148 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27112 Dear @groFriend: @groWeb the Hispanic page of Agriculture and Cattle raising, the one has been upgraded October 1 the 2000. http://www.agrohispana.com Besides upgrading all our classic sections of: @groEscuela. New documents and collaborations sent by you. @groPreguntas. it continues being the most useful form of solving our doubts. @groForo. With almost 80 members are the place of information and changing of opinions. We have important novelties: 1) a NEW FORMAT of the most attractive and easy portal of navigating. 2) as that promised it is debt, we already have SEARCHER in @groEnlaces, transforming this section into the FIRST SEARCHER OF PAGINATE HISPANIC RELATED WITH THE AGRICULTURE AND CATTLE RAISING. 3) @groNoticias has been restructured with a system of files ASP, with that which you will find, MANY MORE NEWS, and our purpose is TO UPGRADE IT EACH FIFTEEN DAYS. We hope you find of our utility improvements and overalls us send your opinion on them. Article 27113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:02:58 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39D93042.C89AF671@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> <%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27113 Well, see, that's the other reason for the smile. We have Certan. :o} Judy David Eyre wrote: > Using a wax moth control, ie. Certan or B401 and spray it on brood frames > will stop the 'little buggers' getting started. > We do have it for those who want to use it. Contact us privately, > please.-- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Bee Works. > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 > http://www.beeworks.com > admin@beeworks.com > 705 326 7171. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Mark" wrote in message > news:%E4C5.135$Ly1.2202@news5.giganews.com... > > Sometimes the old fashioned physical methods are best. Don't forget about > > the bug zapper method too. I've killed millions of moths with one of > those. > > > > Mark > > > > "Dave and Judy" wrote in message > > news:39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net... > > > :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. > > > Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime > > the > > > door opened! > > > > > > He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every > > horizontal > > > surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to > heave! > > > Did nothing for the moths. > > > > > > Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. > > > > > > Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them > > up. > > > It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. > > > Worked great. > > > > > > Judy in Kentucky > > > > > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > > > > > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth > in > > > > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > > > > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > > > > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > > > > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > > > > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through > the > > > > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > > > > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > > > > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > > > > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. > > > > > > > Article 27114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:31:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 970529474 24.92.237.46 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:31:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:31:14 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27114 Never had problems with it before, to speak of. This year and last I have gone through most of a box, and have ended up having to pull out a lot of the combs half-drawn, the bees were doing such a crappy job. Turning it into drone cells, building sideways ridge-comb, strips of comb connecting the sheets, ruining them, or chewing it down to a flat surface of wax. Really disappointing. What gives? I wouldn't comment except for the fact that I have been using it on and off for over 20 years and have never had such problems. I know a lot of people on the ng rag on the Duragilt, but I could never agree with them -- until now!! Maybe it's coincidental, but I for one am never going to trade my wax for that stuff any more. Oh well... Wondered if anyone else had been experiencing the same. I have even been careful to put it on only when a nectar flow was in progress. Wierd. Not meaning to down Dadant -- like I say, it has produced beautiful combs for me for many years -- I'm just reporting what I have been experiencing. Back to 2 cross-wires and good ol' crimp-wired, I guess. All in all, that seems the best, economically. Anyone care to comment? best wishes to all jwg nr. Ithaca, NY Article 27115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: workerbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hello Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:34:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8rbd2p$n89$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.54.49.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 01:34:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; PeoplePC 1.0; Compaq) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.54.49.36 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDworkerbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27115 It's been a long time since I visited with you folks. My server does not have this forum. It has plenty of trash but here is where I want to bee. Thanks to deja.com, I can stay posted. We now have the hive beetle here in Eastern NC. I have a particular problem with 500 commercial hives about two miles down the road that are badly infested. The state inspector happened upon them and I doubt the beekeeper even knew about them or is lying through his teeth. I have been treating for them since last Dec when I was the first in the area to discover one in one of my hives. Strangest thing, with the bayer strips properly used one can still find the beetles in the hive because they have to contact the strip to die. One can also remove the strips and find beetles in the hives a few days later. What to do? Can anyone that has had the problem for a while clue me in on what to do? Does anyone have plans for a bait trap I can make to trap them outside my hives? Thank you in advance. Workerbees Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:44:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8r987g$8k7$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 970466352 8839 62.136.75.200 (2 Oct 2000 05:59:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2000 05:59:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27116 Suspect that it is a mating swarm. Were they superseding when you put in the queen? Was there an old queen? What brood was there? "L.E.G." wrote in message news:39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net... > I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to > rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? And shoot > I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? > L.E.G. Article 27117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeffrey A. Crowther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39d07509$0$35382$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qt0nv$uo1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:37:53 +1000 Lines: 25 Organization: Poor, but getting better X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.40.27 Message-ID: <39d95143@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 3 Oct 2000 14:23:47 +1000, 203.101.40.27 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!nntp.msen.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.40.27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27117 wrote in message news:8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, > "Lance Thacker" wrote: > > > > I once ran across a place that made honey cotton candy. > > They freeze dried the honey into crystals then pulverized them into > powder. > > That's the only way I know how to do it. > > > > Lance, are you sure about this? What is the temperature used to > freeze dry? I read somewhere that honey doesn't freeze. People in > Siberia were using it for brake fluid for that reason. I don't know if there is a 'standard' temperature used for freeze drying. I guess it depends on what you want to dry down and the volume you have. I used to do some freeze drying of samples at uni a few years back. There we pull a large vacuum and we freeze our material in liquid N2 (-196Celcius). I've also used some custom apparatus that use freezer units with glycol filled chambers etc. I've never tried to freeze honey, nor freeze dry it. Ice cream on the other hand is excellent. Article 27118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> Subject: Re: Want to buy used extractor Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:32:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 970547571 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:32:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:32:51 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27118 I've got a Dadant two frame,, hand crank,,,(can't remember the name,,,"Junior Bench" rings a bell). It's in excellent shape only used for two seasons. I've out grown it and want to get a 6 frame, or so, extractor. I haven't even thought about a price yet,,,let me know if your interested. I'm in the Sacramento, Calif. area "Tom Henderson" wrote in message news:01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3... > Hello: > > I would like to buy a used extractor, in serviceable condition. It could > be either electric or hand crank. Small capacity is ok, too. If anyone > has one that they would like to sell, please reply to either the group or > to me personally. > > Thank you, > Tom Henderson > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > Article 27119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000929172130.22218.00000444@ng-fi1.aol.com> Subject: Re: A bee hive or two needed in Lincoln California Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <4pdC5.155$Q13.185954@news.pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:38:14 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 970547904 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:38:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:38:24 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27119 I'm not TOO far from you,,,what exactly, are you looking for? How many,,,what are they pollinating etc..,(besides all the mustard out there). You're talking about next year right? "McAlpineDS" wrote in message news:20000929172130.22218.00000444@ng-fi1.aol.com... > Acreage needs pollinators in exchange > for permenant residence. > > Any offers? > > Dan > Article 27120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:27:46 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn53.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 970416985 29526 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27120 I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? And shoot I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? L.E.G. Charlie Kroeger wrote: > Just for the public record, I was called out for a small swarm (about two cups > of bees with a queen) on 9-27-00. This would be a personal record for late > swarms in Amarillo, Texas. Altitude 3600ft. (1097m) a day after a morning > with a freezing temperature. > > Incidently I posted a similar note regarding an extraordinarily early swarm > (in April) when I recovered a fairly large swarm. (maybe 4 pounds) This was at > a time when many nights still had close to freezing temperatures. This was > also a record for an early swarm. Both in one season. > > What does it all mean? > > C.K. Article 27121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:06:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8rblvj$u2u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39CDD18B.507F93B2@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 04:06:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27121 > > We just purchased two 45 (Imperial) gallon drums and 20,000 Dri-Loc 50 > > pads, so I plan to feature some photos in my diary (below) next week. > Who did you purchase it from, what grade is it and how much? > Also, do they sell it in smaller quantities? I purchase from Van Waters & Rogers, but it is a very common chemical and is used widely in plastic making and oil well service and should be available almost everywhere. A pharmacy or high school lab should have it in small quantities. I paid about $450 CAD for each drum of 85% acid, plus deposit. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:40:55 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <39d962cb$0$23419@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 970547915 23419 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27122 With all of 2 years of beekeeping under my belt... I'm already turned off by it. I bought a bunch of it along with supers and frames when I was getting started last year (I have 6 hives, 3 were bought as-is last year and 3 started from packages this year). It was a package-deal discount sort of thing. Now I have friends who are asking me how to get started in beekeeping (hah! like I'm an expert), but here are the reasons I discourage them from using Duragilt: 1) It makes the (grooved) frames assemble slower. I tried 5 supers worth of Plasticell this year, and was pleasantly surprised how easy it made assembly. Build the frames, then pop in the foundation quickly later. Duragilt, conversely, was considerably slower in that you had to get the foundation lined up in the top groove (after the side bars were attached), then fit the bottom bar over it and hold it all in place while nailing it together. Probably 3 times out of 4 the dumb thing would crinkle or twist in the process and require more manipulation to straighten out. And I've been surprised at how wimpy the stuff was - twist it too hard and the wax peels right off from the nice, smooth, plastic surface...which the bees then won't touch. 2) I've been surprised with the cross-frame comb I've seen this year, even with all the frames jammed close together. I haven't checked to see if it was all Duragilt (doubt it), but I know for sure that those frames are useless to me now, since I can't scrape it down to that smooth plastic... whereas the Plasticell I can scrape off and it's good to go again. Ditto for the patches of brood that I cut out of a few frames while extracting recently. 3) I got one frame this year that was really weird. They drew it out into drone cells, but the cells had wavy sort of walls to them - psychedelic-looking comb. Anybody else seen this? 4) The Duragilt isn't too sturdy in the extractor either. The Plasticell I can whip around and have each side dry in a few minutes - but the Duragilt warps considerably at that speed, which is bad enough on the concave side, but worse on the convex side since the wax then envelopes the carousel wire and gets all torn up when you pull it off. I hate that sucking sound... So I figure if me, a beginner, is already experiencing problems, then that tells me to avoid the stuff from now on. No use in creating more work for myself later on. My wife thinks I spend too much time on this as it is. ("Dear, how much should I charge per pound for my honey?" "Well, it's cost us several hundred dollars per gallon...") ;-) Spike Psarris Article 27123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French site Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:26:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8rbn6a$uv7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 04:26:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27123 > Can anyone tell me if there is a French site concerning beekeeping ? Essayez http://www.apiservices.com/ ou joignez la liste à abeilles@fundp.ac.be allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1udC5.158$Q13.187308@news.pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:43:32 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 970548221 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:43:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:43:41 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27124 I know of quite a few head shops that would sell out of "Mary Janes Honey"! hmmmmm,,,get rich selling marijuana honey,,,,or,,,,loose everything to mandatory forfeiture. Tough decision!! "N Gravel" wrote in message news:Tugw5.1648$Mg1.61725@brie.direct.ca... > Honey from medicinal marijuana or opium poppies? > how well would that sell as varietal honey? > > > Article 27125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter H.M. Brooks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:39:10 +0200 Organization: Psyche Trading Company Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip229.new.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 970562467 19516 196.25.206.95 (3 Oct 2000 08:41:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2000 08:41:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27125 I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I have been interested in the subject for years. What I am interested to learn is: - What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential areas? - What bee-keeping supplies are there in Cape Town? [if none, in South Africa] - What is the best time of year to start? - What other questions should I be asking myself? -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. GBS Article 27126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter H.M. Brooks" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:51:20 +0200 Organization: Psyche Trading Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8rd7gn$709$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> <6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip130.new.co.za X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 970596695 7177 196.25.19.224 (3 Oct 2000 18:11:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2000 18:11:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27126 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com... > >- What other questions should I be asking myself? > > Where can I find some Cape Bees? > > They don't need requeening, they don't sting and they don't get mites. > Thank you, great question! Do you have any hints about the answer? -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. GBS Article 27127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:56:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8rddl9$b7e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <29859-39D9EBFF-5@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 19:56:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.131 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27127 In article <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Walter T. Kelley > > A complete Victorian > > >This is also supposed to limit the amount of "tracking" the bees do over > >the older comb which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope this answered > >your question. > > complete drivel. > > C.K. Come on Charley,tell us what you really think! Actually,I beleive most beemen top super.In the overall scheme of things,it probably doesnt make a H of a bit of difference to the overall honey crop.What is important is that the supers be there when they are needed for nectar storage.Having said that,I still prefer to undersuper over a single brood chamber with an excluder and yes it is more work and there is a limit on how many hives you can work doing this.But Victorian?excuse my ignorance but doesnt that have something to do with sex......... -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:08:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8rdec8$bq1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <1udC5.158$Q13.187308@news.pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 20:08:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.131 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27128 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >hmmmmm,,,get rich selling marijuana honey > > Marijuana doesn't bloom and produce nectar suitable for bees, even though you > may have read about Uncle Oswald (Roald Dahl) and his shipments from that > friend of his in Algeria, but that's only hype. Truth is it's just a weed. > > Labeling it as such would be a different thing. Remember the power of > suggestion can make people who have not drunk alcohol feel drunk, even though > they had not drunk it. (English students beware, English is tricky) > > Dude, I see your use of the term 'head shop' really dates you back to the good > old days. > > C.K. > > No nectar,but what could a good strain of Caucasians plaster there hives shut with if placed near N.CA.s vast illegal plantations? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:35:58 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39DA432E.C157AB21@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 78 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27129 Just a couple of thoughts. 1. How strong are your hives? When you placed the strips and patties, did you notice the strength. A weak hive will probably not make it through the winter. If any are weak, perhaps you should combine them. You can always make splits in the spring if you make it through the winter. 2. What did you put in your patties? As I understand it, it is now advisable to treat for AFB with terramycin using the powdered sugar and terramycin mixed and sprinkling it on the perimeter of the hive frames. 3. You say you scraped and cleaned your hive equipment. Of course, you know that scraping and cleaning probably did not kill the AFB spore. Once you have AFB, and a bad case of it, at that, you probably need to think about burning and starting over. I understand there is some discussion about using Clorox (bleach) to treat the hives, but no one has determined the exact strength of the mix or the amount of time to soak. Until then, burning or at least scorching is the way to go. 4. You know you are not done because you haven't taken the strips out. Follow the manufacturer's advise on timing. 5. How about the level of your hive. We shift ours out of level just a bit, so that any condensation that may accumulate in the hive during the winter will run out the front entrance. 6. Have you provided any ventilation for wintertime? Just a stick or pop bottle cap on the inner cover under the telescoping top. 7. Nosema seems to be a spring disease, following the usual rains of the springtime. However, this year has been rather wet in many locations, might not be a bad idea to treat with Fumidil B. 8. Bees tend to travel up during the winter. Seldom sideways. Best to check their food stores just before it gets real cold and make sure there are "full" frames above the cluster. 9. Did you treat with Menthol for the tracheal mites? Grease patties help to control them, but only the menthol can kill them. As long as it is going to be above 70 - 75 degrees F. the menthol should evaporate. If it is already cold, the menthol will just sit there and not evaporate and the bees won't breathe the fumes and the tracheal mites will survive. If it is too cold, then at least the patties should help. 10. Did you put entrance reducers on your hives? How are the mice and yellow jacket problems in your area? And what about skunks and .... Help the bees by giving them a smaller entrance to defend. 11. You didn't ask about storing supers, so I assume you have bought your PDB and stored your supers with that. Can't think of anything else off the top, let us know what you think. Judy in Kentucky, USA pambs@webtv.net wrote: > We are getting ready for winter and recently medicated the bees with > strips and patties but I was wondering if yall do anything else to get > ready for winter. We left a super on each hive so there will be enough > honey for the winter. We have five hives at home and five more in > another location. The strips are Apistan and the patties are terramycin. > We have been keeping bees since 1997 but we are still very much > beginners at this. Last year we lost several hives but are not sure what > happened. The year before we had to destroy lots of comb and scrape and > sand the frames and boxes because they developed a disease and smelled > awful. I guess that was AFB but I am only guessing. I am afraid I may > have smelled the same smell today coming from our row of hives and I am > disgusted. I read all this technical stuff and get thoroughly > confounded. I don't want to loose any bees this winter. > My bee books say to contact the county extention agent in your area to > ask questions and have him come inspect your hive but when I contacted > him he said he had never been involved with bees before and he had been > a county extention agent for 20 years. > The University of Georgia has a beekeeping seminar in the spring. It > looks like I need to go next time. > Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Article 27130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.131.10!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:56:00 -0500 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.131.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970426564 18202830 216.167.131.10 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27130 >I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to >rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? Humm....better reduce the entrance down to a 3/8 inch size hole. For the knowledge base you didn't mention where this was happening. Crosslink.net seems to only serve the mid-Atlantic (USA) area. C.K. Article 27131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:03:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8rde25$bkk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 03 20:03:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27131 In article <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>, "Peter H.M. Brooks" wrote: > I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I have been interested in the subject for years. > > What I am interested to learn is: > > - What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential > areas? > Depends on the local governing authority. Hopefully none. If beekeeping is permitted you can help by placing some obstruction a few feet in front of the hive to force the bees to fly upward. They go up anyway but this keeps them from accidentally colliding with children walking in front of the hive. I'm using a screen from a sliding glass door lying sideways. > - What bee-keeping supplies are there in Cape Town? [if none, in South > Africa] I'm in NW Florida, USA so I don't have a clue. You need to find a local beekeeper. One way is to go to the markets or health food stores and see who is selling honey. There are many questions about diseases and mites that are best answered by a local beekeeper and/or beekeeping association. > - What is the best time of year to start? Here it is in March because that is usually when we start having lots of blooms, nectar, and pollen. If you start by buying a package of bees you'll receive instructions on what to feed them to get them started. > - What other questions should I be asking myself? Are you reasonably wealthy? There is a lot of money in beekeeping and most of it comes out of the beekeeper's pocket. You can get more information than you need from the internet, and from books, but you really need to talk with a local beekeeper. The prime question is, are you willing and able to devote the time necessary to respect and learn from the bees as they do what they know how to do? Feel free to e-mail me with any specific questions at Vasak@aol.com and I'll try to answer. Sincerely, Herb Florida, USA PS I like that (...Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. GBS) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2.tiac.net!news@tiac.net From: "John E. Hamblin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:20:10 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8rds8v$c0b@news-central.tiac.net> References: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip46.greenville7.sc.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27132 I am in Greenville,SC so climate should be about the same. The Weekend Seminar by the University of Ga, is well worth the time. I have attended it in the past. I have done all the winter prep. that you have. The only additional thing I do is get a card board box just bigger that the hive body and cut only the front out of it and put it loosely around my hive to act as a wind shield in the winter. I enjoy bee's as a hobby and you will find plenty of advice out there. It veries a lot with age of the bee keeper. The older men vary a lot in there view point from the younger Dr. So and So from the University. I listen to both and then experiment on my own. John H. pambs@webtv.net wrote in message <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... We are getting ready for winter and recently medicated the bees with strips and patties but I was wondering if yall do anything else to get ready for winter. We left a super on each hive so there will be enough honey for the winter. We have five hives at home and five more in another location. The strips are Apistan and the patties are terramycin. We have been keeping bees since 1997 but we are still very much beginners at this. Last year we lost several hives but are not sure what happened. The year before we had to destroy lots of comb and scrape and sand the frames and boxes because they developed a disease and smelled awful. I guess that was AFB but I am only guessing. I am afraid I may have smelled the same smell today coming from our row of hives and I am disgusted. I read all this technical stuff and get thoroughly confounded. I don't want to loose any bees this winter. My bee books say to contact the county extention agent in your area to ask questions and have him come inspect your hive but when I contacted him he said he had never been involved with bees before and he had been a county extention agent for 20 years. The University of Georgia has a beekeeping seminar in the spring. It looks like I need to go next time. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Article 27133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "catman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey for sale Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:24:24 -0400 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.161.86.40 Message-ID: <39d7c8b4_1@news2.one.net> X-Trace: 1 Oct 2000 19:28:52 -0400, 206.161.86.40 Organization: OneNet Communications News Hub Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news2.one.net!206.161.86.40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27133 I have a case of very sweet sage honey from n.c. on sale in ebay, it is under 100% pure honey. Only one day left or so if your intersted. Article 27134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:48:03 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p117.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970476325 6936 203.96.192.245 (2 Oct 2000 08:45:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2000 08:45:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27134 Fr-Athanasios wrote in message news:n49B5.1$ux3.212@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > "Peter Edwards" > > wrote in message news:8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Citation would be useful - there is someone in the UK selling cupric salts > > for varroa treatment. I would be interested to hear if there is any > > contamination of honey (or wax) - blue honey might not sell too well! > > Dear Mr. Edwards, > > Is this "cupric salt" what we call in Greece "blue rock" > that it is diluted in water and sprayed on the grape vines? > And how it is used in the hives? > > Thank you for your reply, > Fr. Athanasios > Wisconsin, USA > the article indicates it is fed to the bees that usually means it is added to sugar and water for the bees to feed on. The bees ingest the solution, which is usually in a container near the entrance, so the solution is not in contact with the honey. From the way the article reads the bees ingest the solution and then I would imagine they would become lethal to any mites that attack them. carman Article 27135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!inetbws1.citec.com.au!not-for-mail From: Trevor Gensch Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:54:56 +1000 Organization: CITEC Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.5.10.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27135 I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a career/hobby in bee keeping? Replies via email welcome and appreciated. -- Trev. ICQ No. 1802780 Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch Article 27136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 2000 00:58:13 GMT References: <8rddl9$b7e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001003205813.25126.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27136 Top supering is easier and puts a full super between broodnest and empty super this is likely to keep the queen down without an excluder. Tom Article 27137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Waxmoth problem. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:32:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 970446727 24.112.111.157 (Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:32:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:32:07 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27137 A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the door into my house. The missus is freaking!! Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. Article 27138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Waxmoth problem. Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:37:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39D7D8BC.B50B9D0A@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39D7D988.64BBD529@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27138 :o) Sorry to laugh, we had this EXACT same problem a coupla weeks ago. Hubby was in all kinds of trouble for those things in my house everytime the door opened! He tried the moth crystals around the garage (on just about every horizontal surface). Made it hard to get through the garage without having to heave! Did nothing for the moths. Tried the wax moth traps. Did nothing for the moths. Finally got the little dustbuster vacuum and vacuumed every one of them up. It was the only thing that worked. And there were a whole lot of them. Worked great. Judy in Kentucky Glen & Zoe wrote: > A little while ago I posted about a problem I was having with waxmoth in > stored equipment in my garage. After receiving some advice about using > crystals, I set about relieving myself of this infestation. > Now I have a really big problem. The damned moths are no longer in the > equipment, but hundreds of the little buggers are flying around in my > garage. Every time I go in the garage, I get several flying through the > door into my house. The missus is freaking!! > Does anyone know how to get rid of them, short of storing an open 45 > Gallon drum of waxmoth crystals in there? > Thanks for any help. Regards, Glen Archer. Article 27139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Oct 2000 03:21:51 GMT References: <8rbd2p$n89$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <20001003232151.14367.00000131@ng-cu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27139 I had heard someone had devised a trap for the beetle...This is just something I have heard. Drill a hole in your bottom board into which you can fit a small jar so it is flush with the floor. Fill the jar with about 25% honey. place a slightly bent piece of cardboard over the hole. The beetles are known to hide and the cardboard presents great cover. The beetles are supposed to fall in the hole and not be able to climb back out. therefore die. This sounds great, but is extremely unpractical in a large operation. It may work, may not, but there it is. I have used something similar with coons and barrells of corn syrup and it is very effective. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:49:48 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8re8lc$q4f$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39DA432E.C157AB21@fuse.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.0b X-Server-Date: 4 Oct 2000 03:37:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27140 Hello All I have been lerking for a while. I started a single hive in middle Georgia in May this year. It seems to have been a poor year here, very dry. I kept feeding them for a long time as there seemed to be nothing flowering during July and August. They seem to be collecting pollen now and I presume some nectar. Dave and Judy wrote in message news:39DA432E.C157AB21@fuse.net... > Just a couple of thoughts. I have tilted my hive slightly because when it rains heavily I was worried that the water may drown some of my bees. > 5. How about the level of your hive. We shift ours out of level just a > bit, so that any condensation that may accumulate in the hive during the > winter will run out the front entrance. I have noticed a few yellow jackets flying around the hive near the ground. Should I do anything about them, if so what can I do? They seem to be picking up the ejected drones. > 10. Did you put entrance reducers on your hives? How are the mice and > yellow jacket problems in your area? And what about skunks and .... Help > the bees by giving them a smaller entrance to defend. > > Judy in Kentucky, USA > > pambs@webtv.net wrote: Article 27141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French site Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:47:22 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ra3ip$nov$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-96.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 970494361 24351 193.251.26.96 (2 Oct 2000 13:46:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2000 13:46:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!news.uidaho.edu!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news1.ltinet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27141 www.beehoo.com indexes french sites, but english, spanish, danish, german... too. We try to index all about bees and beekeeping. Even if we have to learn chinese to do it... Best regards. Gérard BELLE a écrit dans le message : 8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be... > Hi, > Can anyone tell me if there is a French site concerning beekeeping ? > > Thanks! > > > > Article 27142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 2000 12:20:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001004082010.05128.00000164@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27142 >I understand it is mainly used as a manufacturing ingredient where it >helps sales to say it includes honey, Yep right there on the label between MSG and BHA/BHT Tom Article 27143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winterizing the hives Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3330-39D9736D-24@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMVvfyX1vFdei69vaFLsKo50xmFQIUFTynqWUAOnkZSKxa+TlhPDa4mqI= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27143 We are getting ready for winter and recently medicated the bees with strips and patties but I was wondering if yall do anything else to get ready for winter. We left a super on each hive so there will be enough honey for the winter. We have five hives at home and five more in another location. The strips are Apistan and the patties are terramycin. We have been keeping bees since 1997 but we are still very much beginners at this. Last year we lost several hives but are not sure what happened. The year before we had to destroy lots of comb and scrape and sand the frames and boxes because they developed a disease and smelled awful. I guess that was AFB but I am only guessing. I am afraid I may have smelled the same smell today coming from our row of hives and I am disgusted. I read all this technical stuff and get thoroughly confounded. I don't want to loose any bees this winter. My bee books say to contact the county extention agent in your area to ask questions and have him come inspect your hive but when I contacted him he said he had never been involved with bees before and he had been a county extention agent for 20 years. The University of Georgia has a beekeeping seminar in the spring. It looks like I need to go next time. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Article 27144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8rfjej$303$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8rddl9$b7e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001003205813.25126.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.147 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 15:47:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.147 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27144 In article <20001003205813.25126.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Top supering is easier and puts a full super between broodnest and empty super > this is likely to keep the queen down without an excluder. > > Tom > > But it doesnt always ,especially if your nectarflow ends early in which case you will have a super full of brood instead of honey.A lot also depends on the strain of bees you use with a prolific Italian more likely to lay anywhere she pleases. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> Subject: Re: Want to buy used extractor PS Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:16:17 -0700 Lines: 42 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust65.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.65 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27145 Remove #nospamplease to reply, sorry 'bout that. -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "J Kimbro" wrote in message news:TjdC5.154$Q13.184490@news.pacbell.net... > I've got a Dadant two frame,, hand crank,,,(can't remember the > name,,,"Junior Bench" rings a bell). It's in excellent shape only used for > two seasons. I've out grown it and want to get a 6 frame, or so, extractor. > I haven't even thought about a price yet,,,let me know if your interested. > I'm in the Sacramento, Calif. area > > > > "Tom Henderson" wrote in message > news:01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3... > > Hello: > > > > I would like to buy a used extractor, in serviceable condition. It could > > be either electric or hand crank. Small capacity is ok, too. If anyone > > has one that they would like to sell, please reply to either the group or > > to me personally. > > > > Thank you, > > Tom Henderson > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > > > Article 27146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:25:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <39db83cf.1742327@news1.radix.net> References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p46.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27146 On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:03:08 -0700, "J & N F." wrote: >As long as we're talking about it, maybe I'll ask a question from those of you >who have used it. Not being able to afford an extractor, I sent some frames >of honey to another beekeeper who owns an electric one. Not all the frames >were duragilt, but a couple may have been. I didn't get any of my frames with >drawn comb back, he says "oh that duragilt just comes apart when it's >extracted" so he said he had nothing to return to me, I'm starting over with >foundation. One of the reasons I had the frames extracted rather than try the >other methods I've attempted in the past was so I wouldn't lose all the drawn >comb & my bees wouldn't have to start all over from scratch. Anyone have any >comments? I know not all the frames were duragilt. Perhaps the electric >extractor is an issue? Not sure I'm getting the straight scoop from this >fellow (know of some of his other escapades!). Just curious > >Thanks > It sounds like operator error to me. Perhaps he doesn't want you to bring him anymore frames to extract. beekeep > >J & N F. > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > >"JGinNY" wrote in message >news:39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu... >> Never had problems with it before, to speak of. >> >> This year and last I have gone through most of a box, and have ended up >> having to pull out a lot of the combs half-drawn, the bees were doing >> such a crappy job. Turning it into drone cells, building sideways >> ridge-comb, strips of comb connecting the sheets, ruining them, or >> chewing it down to a flat surface of wax. Really disappointing. What >> gives? >> >> I wouldn't comment except for the fact that I have been using it on and >> off for over 20 years and have never had such problems. >> >> I know a lot of people on the ng rag on the Duragilt, but I could never >> agree with them -- until now!! Maybe it's coincidental, but I for one >> am never going to trade my wax for that stuff any more. >> >> Oh well... >> >> Wondered if anyone else had been experiencing the same. I have even >> been careful to put it on only when a nectar flow was in progress. >> Wierd. Not meaning to down Dadant -- like I say, it has produced >> beautiful combs for me for many years -- I'm just reporting what I have >> been experiencing. >> >> Back to 2 cross-wires and good ol' crimp-wired, I guess. All in all, >> that seems the best, economically. >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> best wishes to all >> jwg >> nr. Ithaca, NY >> > Article 27147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "John Martin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Record Keeping for Bees Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:14:12 -0700 Organization: Uniserve Message-ID: <970686905.195702@neptune.uniserve.ca> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Cache-Post-Path: neptune.uniserve.ca!unknown@hope2d18.dial.uniserve.ca X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27147 Hello Bee People My name is John Martin and we have just completed a study on record keeping for bees. About a year ago it was discussed on the news group about the way people record the bee hive activities and what they did with the information after. The end results was that beekeeps collect a lot of info was gathered early in the season and would trail off collecting info during the rest of the season due to various reasons. Along with being up to the beekeep to keep accurate Information, their gathering data at its present is either labor intensive or temporary in most cases and is rarely used for future seasons. The beekeep, for security and peace of mind, needs to keep their business private and confidential . These findings indicate that there is a need to make record keeping secure and convenient. Also , this activity of the beekeep record keeping is the only part of the business that they do not get renumerations or future benefits from. We have put together a solution for this and will be applying for grants to make the record keeping possible. The goal will to make record keeping convenient and secure while providing sources to sell the recorded information, depending on the beekeeps wish and level of information availability. We will offer: - Hive activity tracking-daily(reports available on demand) - Accounting and invoicing services(Poination services)&others - Web data base for credibility for financial and insurance institutions. (Individual or other) - Alternative tele-comunication options for non-web folks. We have a complete plan ; however, any further comments or concerns would be appreciated. E-mail to hopeisp@uniserve.com Article 27148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web page Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:44:18 -0400 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.89 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.89 Message-ID: <39db95b3_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Oct 2000 16:40:19 -0500, 64.208.65.89 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.89 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27148 Greetings! I would like to know if New Jersey Beekeepers Association has an "official" web site. (http://www.njbeekeepers.com/) Me thinks I should bee "honored" to have my images pirated by another Bee Association(?). -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 27149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1101.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:45:41 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> <6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com> <8rd7gn$709$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1101.nts-online.net (216.167.136.210) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970695941 18387373 216.167.136.210 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27149 >Thank you, great question! Do you have any hints about the answer? Well all I know is what I've read. These bees are supposed to be naturally residing where you are, in .za C.K. Article 27150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 75 Message-ID: <29859-39D9EBFF-5@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-16252-476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAq4aBxFSbarD4UHcV6hL9km82gB0CFBoyVJYkGTIyigGbFJCeJgK+agZ9 Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=#00008b Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27150 --WebTV-Mail-16252-476 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I believe Robert asked: where should we put this super? a) on the very top above the other super? or b) as the third box in the stack, i.e. above the upper deep brood box but below the full super? In the book "How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey" by Walter T. Kelley he states: "When the foundation in all of the frames in a super is about half drawn out and filled with honey the super should be lifted up and a new super placed under it. This process is repeated as often as necessary. In this manner each empty super placed on the hive is kept next to the brood nest for the bees to draw out the foundation while they are evaporating and capping the honey in the supers above." This is also supposed to limit the amount of "tracking" the bees do over the older comb which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope this answered your question. If you are interested in purchasing this book you can contact the Walter T. Kelley Co. I order supplies from them so I know the address. It is Walter T. Kelley Co. Manufacturers of Beekeepers Supplies 3107 Elizabethtown Rd. 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***ALEMAP*** updated now *** --WebTV-Mail-16252-476-- Article 27151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:25:44 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1udC5.158$Q13.187308@news.pacbell.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970590346 18438775 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27151 >hmmmmm,,,get rich selling marijuana honey Marijuana doesn't bloom and produce nectar suitable for bees, even though you may have read about Uncle Oswald (Roald Dahl) and his shipments from that friend of his in Algeria, but that's only hype. Truth is it's just a weed. Labeling it as such would be a different thing. Remember the power of suggestion can make people who have not drunk alcohol feel drunk, even though they had not drunk it. (English students beware, English is tricky) Dude, I see your use of the term 'head shop' really dates you back to the good old days. C.K. Article 27152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:28:45 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <29859-39D9EBFF-5@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970590526 18438775 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27152 >Walter T. Kelley A complete Victorian >This is also supposed to limit the amount of "tracking" the bees do over >the older comb which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope this answered >your question. complete drivel. C.K. Article 27153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,za.local.cape-town Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:32:10 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6e2ktscpvrfui6aeh17pi26qsom6fs6js9@4ax.com> References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0154.nts-online.net (216.167.131.154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970590731 18438775 216.167.131.154 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27153 >- What other questions should I be asking myself? Where can I find some Cape Bees? They don't need requeening, they don't sting and they don't get mites. C.K. Article 27154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:24:38 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.166 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 970705005 209.100.115.166 (Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:16:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:16:45 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27154 "Peter H.M. Brooks" wrote in message news:8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net... > I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I > have been interested in the subject for years. > > What I am interested to learn is: > > - What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential > areas? I know someone in Detroit that had 6 hives right in side the attic of his two story house for many years, I think he still does. He had an open window in the back where the bees went in and out, and hardly anyone notice what was going on. Article 27155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8rfmn8$637$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:37:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.166 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 970711159 209.100.115.166 (Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:59:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:59:19 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27155 "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8rfmn8$637$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > "Mark" wrote: > > Just some info for you. > >>> "If the syrup is prepared in advance, 2 drops of potassium sorbate > per 100 litres (US quarts) of syrup may be added to prevent > fermentation". > > Has anyone tried this, or have any idea if there are any side effects > on the bees. I gather Gilles know what is talking about, but has > anyone else used this trick? I know it works for the grape wine, we use it in a pill form to stop the wine from fermenting further, in to vinegar! Article 27156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsgate.cistron.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:38:16 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <579sss845v70p9ue3kaegiv1td845auq1t@4ax.com> <20000924211016.23730.00000715@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 970642104 nnrp-10:27641 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27156 Powdered honey is a fairly common internationally traded commodity, so it definitely does exist. How it is made I have absolutely no idea, but it has been on the list of offerings of two of the London trading houses I occasionally deal with for several years now. I understand it is mainly used as a manufacturing ingredient where it helps sales to say it includes honey, but using liquid honey would be awkward for the process. It certainly is not taking a cheap option as it is quite expensive. -- Murray McGregor Article 27157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8r6snq$m1j$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: extractor Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:43:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 970713798 63.22.151.172 (Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:43:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:43:18 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27157 Dear Richard, Have you tried looking on ebay? (www.ebay.com) or www.iwant.com ? Perhaps you will find one there! Good Luck in your search!!!! Lucy "Richard Scheffer" wrote in message news:8r6snq$m1j$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > Does anyone in UK have a second hand reasonable condition radial extractor > for sale? Or can anyone tell me a web site where such are advertised? > richard.scheffer@btinternet.com > > > Article 27158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:14:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8rfl15$4bs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.147 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 16:14:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.147 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27158 In article , Trevor Gensch wrote: > I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. > > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? > > Replies via email welcome and appreciated. > > -- > Trev. > ICQ No. 1802780 > Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch > Never thought about it before,but what colors do we need to differentiate in order to make beekeeping decisions?Obviously the color of our bees if we have a preference(I always say Im colorblind when the bees are productive and our bees show it) The color of the flowers to know the stage of the bloom. The color of the honey If the stoplight is red or green before we plow into the intersection with a truckload of bees(sorry) The short answer is I cant think of any real reason why you could not keep bees on a big or small scale.A Texas cattleman once told me "Son,you just do anything you think you are big enough to do" (Im 5'4') -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:43:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8rfmn8$637$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 16:43:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27159 "Mark" wrote: > Just some info for you. > > WINTERGREEN OIL, ... This has been a pretty good thread with some real info and not just opinions. Since we have some people who seem to understand chemicals I'm hoping one of you may have an idea about this: >>> Gilles Fert in his book 'Breeding Queens" says regarding thin syrup, which we all know ferments quickly,: >>> "If the syrup is prepared in advance, 2 drops of potassium sorbate per 100 litres (US quarts) of syrup may be added to prevent fermentation". Has anyone tried this, or have any idea if there are any side effects on the bees. I gather Gilles know what is talking about, but has anyone else used this trick? Potassium sorbate as I buy it for mead making is a powder, so how do I calculate 'drops'? Moreover, I am not too sure about its use in mead. The mead-lovers digest FAQ says it will not stop active yeasts, but merely prevent inactive yeasts from starting up. Does anyone here have a more scientific explanation? allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:33:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27160 The shells are not the husks .. Walnuts have an out side green & black husk that you discard to expose the inner shell which you crack to eat the nut. Don't know about walnuts as mitacides but I pick many sacks of walnuts up in the fall for cookies. On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:43:11 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites > >Can't say that I have. But..why not. A good source for ground walnut shells >would be those bullet reloader suppliers. They sell bags of ground walnut >shells to use in brass tumblers. I take it the hulls absorb the alcohol and >then release it slowly, something like that. Both ingredients are pretty >cheap, I'll keep it in mind. > >C.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 27161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> Subject: Re: Want to buy used extractor Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:06:45 -0700 Lines: 45 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust65.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.65 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27161 I'm near Sacramento, if you still have this available please email me with a price. I can come pick it up. That would solve some problems for me! Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "J Kimbro" wrote in message news:TjdC5.154$Q13.184490@news.pacbell.net... > I've got a Dadant two frame,, hand crank,,,(can't remember the > name,,,"Junior Bench" rings a bell). It's in excellent shape only used for > two seasons. I've out grown it and want to get a 6 frame, or so, extractor. > I haven't even thought about a price yet,,,let me know if your interested. > I'm in the Sacramento, Calif. area > > > > "Tom Henderson" wrote in message > news:01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3... > > Hello: > > > > I would like to buy a used extractor, in serviceable condition. It could > > be either electric or hand crank. Small capacity is ok, too. If anyone > > has one that they would like to sell, please reply to either the group or > > to me personally. > > > > Thank you, > > Tom Henderson > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > > > Article 27162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:03:08 -0700 Lines: 59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust65.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.65 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feeder.via.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27162 As long as we're talking about it, maybe I'll ask a question from those of you who have used it. Not being able to afford an extractor, I sent some frames of honey to another beekeeper who owns an electric one. Not all the frames were duragilt, but a couple may have been. I didn't get any of my frames with drawn comb back, he says "oh that duragilt just comes apart when it's extracted" so he said he had nothing to return to me, I'm starting over with foundation. One of the reasons I had the frames extracted rather than try the other methods I've attempted in the past was so I wouldn't lose all the drawn comb & my bees wouldn't have to start all over from scratch. Anyone have any comments? I know not all the frames were duragilt. Perhaps the electric extractor is an issue? Not sure I'm getting the straight scoop from this fellow (know of some of his other escapades!). Just curious Thanks -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "JGinNY" wrote in message news:39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu... > Never had problems with it before, to speak of. > > This year and last I have gone through most of a box, and have ended up > having to pull out a lot of the combs half-drawn, the bees were doing > such a crappy job. Turning it into drone cells, building sideways > ridge-comb, strips of comb connecting the sheets, ruining them, or > chewing it down to a flat surface of wax. Really disappointing. What > gives? > > I wouldn't comment except for the fact that I have been using it on and > off for over 20 years and have never had such problems. > > I know a lot of people on the ng rag on the Duragilt, but I could never > agree with them -- until now!! Maybe it's coincidental, but I for one > am never going to trade my wax for that stuff any more. > > Oh well... > > Wondered if anyone else had been experiencing the same. I have even > been careful to put it on only when a nectar flow was in progress. > Wierd. Not meaning to down Dadant -- like I say, it has produced > beautiful combs for me for many years -- I'm just reporting what I have > been experiencing. > > Back to 2 cross-wires and good ol' crimp-wired, I guess. All in all, > that seems the best, economically. > Anyone care to comment? > > best wishes to all > jwg > nr. Ithaca, NY > Article 27163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:45:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8rgbtu$pia$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.74 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 04 22:45:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.74 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27163 > Trevor Gensch wrote: > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? *********************************************** Howdy Trevor -- I have been into bees for 66 years with red/green color blindness. Of course other colors are also involved. I have no trouble in doing anything connected with beekeeping. Just have at it ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:01:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8rhcga$j7o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 05 08:01:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27164 > > > I sent some frames of honey to another beekeeper who owns an electric one. Not all the frames were duragilt, but a couple may have been. I didn't get any of my frames with drawn comb back, he says "oh that duragilt just comes apart when it's extracted" so he said he had nothing to return to me... Not sure I'm getting the straight scoop from this ... < < < I think you already know the answer to this question, but here goes... Unless you did an awful job of installing the foundation and unless you damaged the full frames in handling or got terrible granulation in them, there is no reason that more than an occasional frame should have blown up in an extractor -- even with an operator who is barely competent. Even in the above cases, you should have been given back the frames complete with the granulation and the wax. They are valuable and can be re-used. FWIW, we have a lot of old, bowed and otherwise sub-optimal frames (they are often Duragilt(r) and came with an operation we bought while expanding) and are now running into serious granulation problems, yet we *never* blow up more than a half dozen in a full extractor load of 120 frames. If we ever blow up half that many, we stop immediately, troubleshoot, and adjust our speed -- or technique. Obviously you need to have a heart-to-heart chat with this beekeeper to get what is yours, then forever steer clear. As the old Mennonite says, "He fools me once, shame on him. He fools me twice, shame on me". allen ---- You can read my daily adventures in commercial beekeeping at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 22 Message-ID: <24592-39DCCA7C-13@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAt+AMtNq0OmbGc9iBrsFiDeNS1isCFQCuOV7ndtztpMI7IUg0yGpFQJYy2Q== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27165 In a response to Roberts question: >where should we put this super? >a) on the very top above the other super? or >b) as the third box in the stack, i.e. above the > upper deep brood box but below the full > super? I believe that Charlie Kroeger wrote: >A complete Victorian >This is also supposed to limit the amount of >"tracking" the bees do over the older comb > which causes dark unattractive comb. I hope > this answered your question. >complete drivel. >C.K. I guess that means that Charlie doesn't package his honey with comb. But we like to have a few jars with comb and the people who buy our honey with comb always compliment us on our nice white comb. (I got my facts about this from "The Hive and the Honey Bee" which was first published in 1853 and has been in reprint ever since with constant revisions. My book was printed in 1997. I found the facts in the Supering section of The Production of Comb and Bulk Comb Honey.) Article 27166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:44:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8rh5bo$av3$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-103.silicon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 970725560 11235 62.136.13.103 (5 Oct 2000 05:59:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:59:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27166 Can't think of any reason why they should. "Trevor Gensch" wrote in message news:jtvkts8hgdl9ai4ulitjmoj3splgk46v2f@4ax.com... > I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. > > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? > > Replies via email welcome and appreciated. > > > -- > Trev. > ICQ No. 1802780 > Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch Article 27167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: teryani@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Permaculture Design Course Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:43:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. 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Article 27168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "MacArthur Rowe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beetle Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:29:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.114.78.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 970799345 24.114.78.111 (Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:29:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:29:05 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27168 Trying to compile some information on the Small Hive Beetle. Can anyone recomend any sources? Thanks, Mark Article 27169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:10:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8rkbvh$vuu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 06 11:10:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT; DSCC/DLA) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27169 In article , "MacArthur Rowe" wrote: > Trying to compile some information on the Small Hive Beetle. Can anyone > recomend any sources? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > check out these links: http://everest.ento.vt.edu/~fell/apiculture/hivebeetle/index.html http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/AA257 -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.vas-net.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:07:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.dexfenfluramine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 970812489 4356 62.136.89.145 (6 Oct 2000 06:08:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2000 06:08:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27170 I now have details and will be reading up the research over the next few days. Briefly, the treatment consists of feeding organic cupric salts (copper gluconate) at the rate of one teaspoonful in a gallon of syrup twice a year - spring and autumn. (Copper sulphate can be used but has some toxicity to the bees, whereas the gluconate does not - in fact, it is claimed to be beneficial). It works because the increased level of copper in the bees' haemolymph interferes with the varroa's respiration, but the bees are not affected. I will post further details, probably next week. "Carman" wrote in message news:8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > Fr-Athanasios wrote in message > news:n49B5.1$ux3.212@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > > > "Peter Edwards" > > > > wrote in message news:8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > Citation would be useful - there is someone in the UK selling cupric > salts > > > for varroa treatment. I would be interested to hear if there is any > > > contamination of honey (or wax) - blue honey might not sell too well! > > > > Dear Mr. Edwards, > > > > Is this "cupric salt" what we call in Greece "blue rock" > > that it is diluted in water and sprayed on the grape vines? > > And how it is used in the hives? > > > > Thank you for your reply, > > Fr. Athanasios > > Wisconsin, USA > > > the article indicates it is fed to the bees > that usually means it is added to sugar and water for the bees to feed on. > The bees ingest the solution, which is usually in a container near the > entrance, so the solution is not in contact with the honey. > From the way the article reads the bees ingest the solution and then I would > imagine they would become lethal to any mites that attack them. > carman > > > > Article 27171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-Cam Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:47:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.219 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 970836454 204.186.129.219 (Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:47:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:47:34 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27171 We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one else out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? Which I am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can see our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm Thanks Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com draperb@ptd.net Article 27172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:37:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 06 12:37:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27172 > I now have details and will be reading up the research over the next > few days. Briefly, the treatment consists of feeding organic cupric > salts (copper gluconate) at the rate of one teaspoonful in a gallon > of syrup twice a year - spring and autumn. (Copper sulphate can be > used but has some toxicity to the bees, whereas the gluconate does > not - in fact, it is claimed to be beneficial)... I forwarded this thread to a bee scientistI know, and here is his comment, edited for clarity and to maintain anonymity since I have not requested his explicit permission to quote: >>>Incidentially, I read Popeskovic and Bounias' papers a few years ago and thought i'd give copper sulphate a shot in the trials in xxxxx. Nine replicates. The authors applied the copper in syrup feed once. I delivered the dose by drenching the bees, with the same dose, biweekly. At the end of the experiment, (the) copper sulphate (group of colonies) had as many mites in it as the untreated (group of) colonies, and had the highest mean number of mites of any treatment I tested. Too bad, as it would have been really cheap and easy.<<< These are just his results and do not prove the idea has no merit. They just show that it is definitely not a sure thing, or if it works at all, that it does not work without some other factor accompanying it. allen --- My adventures in commercial beekeeping: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:00:23 -0700 Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <#5G9u3uLAHA.198@cpmsnbbsa07> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust227.tnt8.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.23.227 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27173 Thanks All with your responses :) Hmm, well I guess I have my answer then! The frames were definitely completely drawn & not granulated, & I know they were handled gently (at least while I had them); soooo there you have it! thanks again for sharing your experiences, live & learn. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 27174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting started in beekeeping Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 2000 13:28:22 GMT References: <8rc633$j1s$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001006092822.05295.00000452@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27174 From: "Peter H.M. Brooks" peter@new.co.za >I am thinking of starting to keep bees. I haven't done it before, but I >have been interested in the subject for years. > >What I am interested to learn is: > >- What restrictions are there on keeping bees in urban residential >areas? > >- What bee-keeping supplies are there in Cape Town? [if none, in South >Africa] You'll have to check local laws and beekeeper associations for specifics to your area. There is general information on urban/suburban beekeeping at the page of beekeeper resources at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0239.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:53:30 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net> <6k38ts42la25fu14jk61asurnp8evfc4vu@4ax.com> <39dc74a6.4203640@east.usenetserver.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0239.nts-online.net (216.167.131.239) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970851210 19056483 216.167.131.239 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27175 >Walnuts have an out side green & black >husk that you discard to expose the inner shell OK, I see...it is the same with Pecans, Texicans know nothing about Walnuts. C.K. Article 27176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0239.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:02:57 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4u0stsssc31455j1942v9ks1375vp3eqau@4ax.com> References: <982kts8r933o9fi6s3mldnv38jsmrgqfn9@4ax.com> <24592-39DCCA7C-13@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0239.nts-online.net (216.167.131.239) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970851776 19101498 216.167.131.239 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27176 > compliment us on our nice white comb. Well really I've not seen any sealed honey comb in my hives that wasn't nice and white excepting of course the brood area, lots of walking about there. >(I got my facts about this from "The Hive and the Honey Bee" which was >first published in 1853 I rest my case. >and has been in reprint ever since with constant >revisions. yes, constant revisions for sure. C.K> Article 27177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:19:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8rlc4a$m9s$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-4.california.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 970863562 22844 62.137.56.4 (6 Oct 2000 20:19:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2000 20:19:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27177 Not sure that 'drenching' the bees is a valid method of application. My understanding is that this works systemically - the bees ingest the copper gluconate (I note that you quote the inorganic sulphate) and mites feeding on the bees are then killed; applying the dosage externally can hardly be expected to have the same effect. Anyone else had any experience of this treatment? "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I now have details and will be reading up the research over the next > > few days. Briefly, the treatment consists of feeding organic cupric > > salts (copper gluconate) at the rate of one teaspoonful in a gallon > > of syrup twice a year - spring and autumn. (Copper sulphate can be > > used but has some toxicity to the bees, whereas the gluconate does > > not - in fact, it is claimed to be beneficial)... > > I forwarded this thread to a bee scientistI know, and here is his > comment, edited for clarity and to maintain anonymity since I have not > requested his explicit permission to quote: > > >>>Incidentially, I read Popeskovic and Bounias' papers a few years ago > and thought i'd give copper sulphate a shot in the trials in xxxxx. > Nine replicates. The authors applied the copper in syrup feed once. I > delivered the dose by drenching the bees, with the same dose, > biweekly. At the end of the experiment, (the) copper sulphate (group > of colonies) had as many mites in it as the untreated (group of) > colonies, and had the highest mean number of mites of any treatment I > tested. Too bad, as it would have been really cheap and easy.<<< > > These are just his results and do not prove the idea has no merit. > They just show that it is definitely not a sure thing, or if it works > at all, that it does not work without some other factor accompanying it. > > allen > --- > My adventures in commercial beekeeping: > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Colour blindness Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:24:24 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8rlef3$ar9$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p92.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970865955 11113 203.96.192.92 (6 Oct 2000 20:59:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2000 20:59:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27178 We have a beekeeper in NZ who is completely blind. He is a commercial beekeeper and amazing to watch. shouldn't be a problem with colour blindness carman Trevor Gensch wrote in message news:jtvkts8hgdl9ai4ulitjmoj3splgk46v2f@4ax.com... > I know this might be a weird question, but here goes. > > Would somebody who is colour blind have any problems pursuing a > career/hobby in bee keeping? > > Replies via email welcome and appreciated. > > > -- > Trev. > ICQ No. 1802780 > Web Page http://web.one.net.au/~trevorgensch Article 27179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0158.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:47:02 -0500 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <0elstsoqiorufgset36porn65or520mcgi@4ax.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8rlc4a$m9s$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0158.nts-online.net (216.167.131.158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970872420 19197865 216.167.131.158 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27179 >Not sure that 'drenching' the bees is a valid method of application. My >understanding is that this works systemically - the bees ingest the copper >gluconate This sounds effective, why not elaborate on how the solution is mixed, 'gluconate' sounds like a sugar. C.K. Article 27180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8rlc4a$m9s$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <0elstsoqiorufgset36porn65or520mcgi@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:18:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.173 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 970873966 209.100.115.173 (Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:12:46 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:12:46 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27180 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:0elstsoqiorufgset36porn65or520mcgi@4ax.com... > >Not sure that 'drenching' the bees is a valid method of application. My > >understanding is that this works systemically - the bees ingest the copper > >gluconate > > This sounds effective, why not elaborate on how the solution is mixed, > 'gluconate' sounds like a sugar. > C.K. That is a very good idea, can we have some details about it. Thank you, Fr. Athanasios Article 27181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D91CB2.366672AF@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: OY! What's with this Duragilt? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:23:52 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39dc01c8$0$2039@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 970719688 2039 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27181 This would make me really suspicious. I mentioned in my post above that it warps, but I've never had it come apart. And this year I extracted at really high speeds (yes, using an electric motor, and tangentially at that, which does the most damage). "Warped" Duragilt bulges out to one side (the side that was facing outwards last), and there's a grid pattern in the comb afterwards (where the wax gets torn out from being stuck to the reel), but it's still comb nonetheless. (And incidentally the bees can still repair it afterwards, although I'd rather avoid damage completely if possible). The only time I've seen Duragilt made unusable by extracting is when the comb isn't drawn out completely across the frame. If it's only drawn out in spots (like cross-frame bridge comb), then the undrawn spots are weak, and the plastic underneath can tear when extracting at high speeds. But that doesn't sound like your situation, and even then the comb is still in the frame, it's just torn in the middle. Hope that helps... Spike Psarris Article 27182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 02:00:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8rm042$9sm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8r9hv5$6oo$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8rjq89$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8rkh30$3qr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8rlc4a$m9s$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.206 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 07 02:00:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.206 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27182 > Not sure that 'drenching' the bees is a valid method of application. > My understanding is that this works systemically - the bees ingest the > copper gluconate... Drenching is a method whereby the intended medication is dissolved in syrup in a concentration such that a cupful or so will deliver the proper dose. The bees are then sprayed with the mixture and in licking themselves clean ingest the whole amount of syrup. This method thus ensures that the entire dose is applied and consumed and shared by the bees immediately -- and proveably. Some Alberta beekeepers swear by using fumigillan this way and claim to avoid the wastage and uncertainty that accompanies the traditional bulk syrup method of application. > ...(I note that you quote the inorganic sulphate You originally said: > > (Copper sulphate can be used > > but has some toxicity to the bees, whereas the gluconate does not - > > in fact, it is claimed to be beneficial). The original post seemed to indicate that the sulphate -- although less desirable -- is interchangeable. Perhaps you did not mean to say that? What is interesting is that the researcher was under the same impression and followed up the research and did not find *any* positive results from administering copper ions. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HoneyBees and Lavender Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:35:22 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.190 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 970886104 210.215.13.190 (Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:35:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:35:04 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:35:04 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27183 Hi Can anyone refer me to or give me information on Lavender; -Protein/Nutrition levels of Pollen. -Honey yield/acre or Hectare -Bee performance of different varieties of lavender -What benefits the lavender plant derives from Bees, i.e. increase in oil yield etc. thanks in Advance -- Barry Metz -- Barry Metz researching CONLAN, GANNON. FITZGERALD, METZ, VOGT, AUER, McCABE and KEIR AMONGST OTHERS Article 27184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom & Jen Levkulic" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Moths Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 22:50:20 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:49:42 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27184 Greetings I'm a third year beginner, I started the spring with five strong hives, missed supering and ended up with five splits. Supered late and ended up with two weak col. of which wax moths moved in. A very upsetting mess and valuable lesson. Both hives were completely destroyed. What should be done with the equip.? I have the ability to run the hive bodies through a large volume washer with a 180 degree wash rinse cycle, will this cleanse the hive bodies for reuse? tml Article 27185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:07:41 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 970931176 nnrp-07:145 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 78 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27185 In article <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >Acaricides as well as their residues are >> dangerous for bees and beekeepers and they pollute honey and pollen by >> their deposit in these products. Dangerously generalised statement this. All depends on what chemical is used and its mode of action. Certain types are not water miscible and cannot be stored, or linger long, in clean honey. Fluvalinate is such a chemical. >M'Diaye and Bounias (29, 30) have >> proven that Fluvalinate and Amitraze, rather popular pesticides, >> although often advised (52) and proclaimed harmless (59), do, on the >> contrary, poison the bees in an alarming way. 'Alarming' does not sound in the least scientific use of language to me, thus this sounds like a deliberately alarmist interpretation of the mode of action and LD50 statistics for both substances, perhaps by some reviwer with a particular stance on the issue, rather than the scientists themselves. Yes, they both poison things, target and non target alike, but the key issue is the toxicity to the species involved, and in the case of popular miticides, the difference in effect between bees and mites is in the order of hundreds, even thousands, of times. > Their physiological state >> becomes sub-lethal and incompatible with work demanding great energy. >> Foraging may thus become impossible and, as a consequence, the decrease >> or disappearance of their pollination activity may endanger the survival >> of plants. This is just total drivel. Just ask the thousands of users of the treatments who still get a perfectly good honey crop. Perhaps if you fed them some vastly excessive amount of the treatments you could produce such effects, but in normal circumstances all continues much as normal. >The effects of two acaricides, Amitraze and Fluvalinate, is >> biphasic, small doses producing more serious damage than large ones (a >> rather disquieting discovery!). If this was at all true then you would be far better re-using your old strips forever, as (apparently) the ever declining dosage of the treatment would become ever more effective. Ask anyone who has mistakenly used even a pack of strips which had been partly used the previous year and then not correctly sealed in storage how effective they were. ( A topic done to death here before ) >The toxicity of acaricides has been >> proven but not their efficiency. The studies dealing with this topic >> have only shown that their effects on Varroa are limited ("at fork"): >> part of the parasites survive because they rapidly become resistant to >> the pesticide by transforming it biochemically (45, 46, 47). The >> chemists must therefore continuously find new formulae. On the market, >> the appearances of Folbex (bromopylate in fumigenic paper), Anti~Varroa >> "Schering" (Amitraze), Pdrizin "Bayer", Klartan, Apitof and Apistan >> (tissues impregnated with Fluvalinate) have rapidly succeeded one >> another. Several beekeepers deplore their inefficiency like, for >> example, Jean-Prost (21, 22) did for the use of Amitraze. I dare say the makers of Apistan will be quite amused to find their product described as 'tissues impregnated with fluvalinate'. Listing of Klartan (or its cousin MAVRIK, not mentioned here) as a varroa treatment is showing little regard for the proper use of treatments as it is a chemical with an active ingredient which happens to be an acaricide under other circumstances, but formulated in Klartan is for other purposes altogether. OK, it has been misused as a cheap varroa treatment, but this is not the point, listing it as a 'new formula found by chemists', and 'on the market' as a varroa treatment is just plain wrong. >> >> 7. Feeding contaminated bees with organic cupric salts. I know nothing about this, but instinctively it sounds a bit 'off the wall' and just not quite right to me. Perhaps someone else will have clearer info on this bit. -- Murray McGregor Article 27186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey recipes Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 08:18:25 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 11 Message-ID: <39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 970931928 19744 129.101.81.41 (7 Oct 2000 15:18:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2000 15:18:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27186 Now that i seem to have an abundant supply of honey, how about some recipes? We made the chocolate chip cookie recipe that was mentioned a month ago (yummy) and have a applie-pie recipe. Is there a good web page that has lots of recipes or a cookbook? I searched amazon but didn't really find much. The vendors (mann lake, etc.) ain't that much help either. thanks Matthew Article 27187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39DF4144.A756F875@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey recipes References: <39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:33:28 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-CbwV2+ZnZFV4FUoP0MX4nQgiyOSQZUryPSNJqCrjkDr8k9mho2SUvJjf+YPegaMctloyb9ZebcIzTgR!nzo+yo4lwa+K6Mi9RzeIysTA X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:33:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27187 Matthew Pollard wrote: > > Now that i seem to have an abundant supply of honey, how about some > recipes? We made the chocolate chip cookie recipe that was mentioned a > month ago (yummy) and have a applie-pie recipe. Is there a good web > page that has lots of recipes or a cookbook? I searched amazon but > didn't really find much. The vendors (mann lake, etc.) ain't that much > help either. If 443 honey recipes will be enough to hold you for a while, try http://www.epicurious.com/s97is.vts?action=filtersearch&filter=recipe-filter.hts&collection=Recipes&ResultTemplate=recipe-results.hts&queryType=and&keyword=honey Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 27188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:56:32 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8rnko5$j49$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.232 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27188 Hello: I have also been compiling some sources of information. Here is what I have thus far: Am. Bee Journal(ABJ) '98/12, '99/02, 99/12. Univ. of Calf. Davis http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/mussen/7-8-98.html Apis July '98, August '98 www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm Featured Creatures Univ. of Florida www.ifas.ufl.edu/~insect/misc/bees/small_hive_beetle.htm Bugwood Univ. of Georgia www.bugwood.caes.uga.edu/factsheets/shb.html Some of the articles are repetitive. Hope this is of some help. Keith Article 27189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:07:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <39df6635.162746088@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27189 On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:29:05 GMT, "MacArthur Rowe" wrote: >Trying to compile some information on the Small Hive Beetle. Can anyone >recomend any sources? >Mark > Florida Sorry, I couldn't resist. beekeep Article 27190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.clara.net!small.fr.clara.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HoneyBees and Lavender Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:28:39 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8ro4kp$k11$1@front2.grolier.fr> References: Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nas19-134.wms.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front2.grolier.fr 970954201 20513 213.44.48.134 (7 Oct 2000 21:30:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2000 21:30:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27190 Bonjour, To my knowledge, the major problem with Lavender is the lack of pollen because of use by oil producers of a sterile hybrid (Lavandula officinalis x L. latifolia) to get a better yield than with L. officinalis. As a result the queen stop lying and the colonies are in bad shape when the very attractive bloom of Lavender is ending. Honey yield is told to be from 100 to 180 kg/hectare. The Lavendula is grown mainly in south east of France . Lavender honey is highly appreciated and paid because of his perfumed taste. -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ "Barry Metz" a écrit dans le message news: sZvD5.9$gb5.483419@news.interact.net.au... > Hi > Can anyone refer me to or give me information on Lavender; > -Protein/Nutrition levels of Pollen. > -Honey yield/acre or Hectare > -Bee performance of different varieties of lavender > -What benefits the lavender plant derives from Bees, i.e. increase in > oil yield etc. > thanks in Advance > > -- > Barry Metz > > -- > Barry Metz > researching CONLAN, GANNON. FITZGERALD, METZ, VOGT, AUER, McCABE and KEIR > AMONGST OTHERS > > > Article 27191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" References: <39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: honey recipes Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:36:06 -0600 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co1b-202.rasserver.net 204.32.149.202 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27191 Try www.honey.com Matthew Pollard wrote in message news:39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu... > Now that i seem to have an abundant supply of honey, how about some > recipes? We made the chocolate chip cookie recipe that was mentioned a > month ago (yummy) and have a applie-pie recipe. Is there a good web > page that has lots of recipes or a cookbook? I searched amazon but > didn't really find much. The vendors (mann lake, etc.) ain't that much > help either. > > thanks > Matthew > > Article 27192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:35:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27192 check out the univ. of montana's "bee alert" webpage http://biology.dbs.umt.edu/bees/default.htm for their online observation hive set-up...does not appear to be functioning at present, maybe due to weather or other constraints, but perhaps they can be of some help...appreciate your efforts! Article 27193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moths Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 14:19:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8rpvpc$221$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.131.97.192 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 08 14:19:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 172.131.97.192 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27193 > "Tom & Jen Levkulic" wrote: > I have the ability to run the hive bodies through a >large volume washer with a 180 degree wash rinse cycle, will this >cleanse the hive bodies for reuse? **************************************************** Howdy T & J == No need to sterilize if wax worms are the only problem. Boiling in lye water will change wax and propolis into a powdery substance which is easily removed. If frames are too weakened by worms digging in to pupate they can be repaired or discarded. Next time try a smaller opening to discourage moths from entering. A 3/8" x 3/4" with TOP CRACK for ventilation will help. The bees need a small opening which can be guarded -- especially at night in summer and warm fall weather. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <12388-39E12068-84@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <4u0stsssc31455j1942v9ks1375vp3eqau@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAvjSY3+rSkVs5QYmm0+/TDeoWtM8CFD4WX6AytybuCR0wKX/PAojC/yRm Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27194 Charlie I don't know what your problem is but it definitely isn't because you can show that you have any facts that have been verified . Are you always like this? I am referring to a post about where to place to empty supers for the most convenient location for the "bees", not the beekeeper. >Well really I've not seen any sealed honey >comb in my hives that wasn't nice and white >excepting of course the brood area, lots of >walking about there. > (I got my facts about this from "The Hive and > the Honey Bee" which was first published in > 1853 >I rest my case. > and has been in reprint ever since with > constant revisions. >yes, constant revisions for sure. >C.K> The book I was referring to is packed with scientific data and is invaluable to beekeepers who want to understand the physiological and social behavior of bees. "The Hive and the Honey Bee" is full of references from entomologists. Of course, that is only facts, which I am sure you are impervious to. Article 27195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying worker or drone laying queen? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-208.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:31:29 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 971058809 203.96.152.26 (Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:33:29 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:33:29 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27195 Hi All, I have a hive with approx 4-5 frames of worker brood with drone brood dotted throughout in no particular pattern. How do I know whether I have a drone laying queen or a laying worker? There are no cells with more than one egg per cell that I can see. Appreciate all replies. Cheers Liz (Auckland, NZ) Article 27196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Laying worker or drone laying queen? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-165.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:05:33 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 971060852 203.96.152.26 (Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:07:32 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:07:32 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27196 I was a little premature posting my question. I have spoken to one of the older beekeepers near me and between us have confirmed that I have a drone laying queen. Thanks anyway. Cheers Liz "Neville Brook" wrote in message news:971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hi All, > I have a hive with approx 4-5 frames of worker brood with drone brood dotted > throughout in no particular pattern. How do I know whether I have a drone > laying queen or a laying worker? There are no cells with more than one egg > per cell that I can see. Appreciate all replies. > Cheers > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 27197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey recipes Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:43:08 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8rshuc$his$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu> <_B3E5.2039$6t3.104801@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-55.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 971098892 18012 193.251.26.55 (9 Oct 2000 13:41:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 2000 13:41:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27197 In http://www.beehoo.com/ theme : recipes, lot of honey recipes are available, all over the world. Lucy a écrit dans le message : _B3E5.2039$6t3.104801@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hi Matthew! > Please check my website > http://www.ohiohoney.com > there are some recipes there. > Also, have you gone to the national honey board? > http://www.nhb.org/ > They've got some really good stuff! > Gotta love that Honey! > ;-) > Have a Sweet Day! > Lucy > > "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message > news:39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu... > > Now that i seem to have an abundant supply of honey, how about some > > recipes? We made the chocolate chip cookie recipe that was mentioned a > > month ago (yummy) and have a applie-pie recipe. Is there a good web > > page that has lots of recipes or a cookbook? I searched amazon but > > didn't really find much. The vendors (mann lake, etc.) ain't that much > > help either. > > > > thanks > > Matthew > > > > > > Article 27198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1058.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:54:45 -0500 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <4u0stsssc31455j1942v9ks1375vp3eqau@4ax.com> <12388-39E12068-84@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1058.nts-online.net (216.167.136.167) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 971157294 19625547 216.167.136.167 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27198 >it definitely isn't >because you can show that you have any facts that have been verified. What would you like verified, and by what authority? Anything I mention may be an opinion of mine based on experience, but not necessarily verifiable. Perhaps instead something someone's published that I've read, which doesn't make it a fact either, or verifiable. Verification as I understand it is generally outside the scope of this type of communication. One can do a lot of quoting of published materials by Entomologist who you apparently believe only express themselves in a scientific version of Papal infallibility. Mind you, I prefer this type of reading myself, that is, modern published research especially when the information is outside the ways and means of learning it on my own. >Are you always like this? I've always been like 'this.' >I am referring to a post about where to place to empty supers for the >most convenient location for the "bees", not the beekeeper. I believe it is in the beekeepers best interest to enjoy keeping bees, that means to me, leaving the hives undisturbed with inspections to a minimum. I like watching bees more than moving supers. (IMO) Bees are unaffected by the concept of convenience, they're special insects that have been around a lot longer than humans. I believe that can be verified. >"The Hive and the Honey Bee" is full of >references from entomologists. Of course, that is only facts, which I am >sure you are impervious to. Some facts I'm sure to be impervious but if the 'Hive and the Honey Bee' was written by a beekeeper, which I suspect it was, and not an Entomologist, you should find out where the beekeeper lived and kept bees, and then call it 'The Hive and the Honey Bee' in say, Illinois. (for International subscribers: Illinois, an American Indian name and a northern state in the US) A lot of those old books are fun and sometimes gruesome to read, but they all possess that air of destructive zeal characteristic of 'Victorian' discovery, a fact to me, maybe not you. C.K. Article 27199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E072AE.5A6EF97C@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:12:14 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small swarm on 9-27-00 References: <39D72DC2.F90FB2E3@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn38.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 971024399 8507 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27199 Shoot I almost Killed 'EM Please disregard the 2 earlier posts!! I now know what was up... Huge matting swarm. One more day and I was going to combine that hive with another one. They came back to the hive and just acted like nothing was wrong. When I have more time I will tell the whole story..Thanks "L.E.G." wrote: > I also had a swarm 9-28-00 ,large one and the little buggers are coming back to > rob the hive they left !!!!! Any advice??? What is going on this year?? And shoot > I had just put new Queen in 2 weeks ago?????????????????????? > L.E.G. > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > Just for the public record, I was called out for a small swarm (about two cups > > of bees with a queen) on 9-27-00. This would be a personal record for late > > swarms in Amarillo, Texas. Altitude 3600ft. (1097m) a day after a morning > > with a freezing temperature. > > > > Incidently I posted a similar note regarding an extraordinarily early swarm > > (in April) when I recovered a fairly large swarm. (maybe 4 pounds) This was at > > a time when many nights still had close to freezing temperatures. This was > > also a record for an early swarm. Both in one season. > > > > What does it all mean? > > > > C.K. Article 27200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: do you have a good bee site? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:42:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.38 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 971181738 63.22.151.38 (Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:42:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:42:18 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27200 Thank you for posting that search engine! ;-) Have a Sweet Day! Lucy Wellhausen -- October O-HI-O Honey Special Buy 2 16 oz jars & get 8 oz Squeeze Bear Free!!!!!! Place Your Order Now At: www.ohiohoney.com And Make Your Life Sweeter and Happier! For Links & Fun visit: www.linklady.com "Kellen" wrote in message news:CwpE5.5037$6t3.223865@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > GrowSearch.com is a specialized search engine for Farming and Gardening > websites (includes a large number of beekeeping sites). If you have a > related website go to http://growsearch.com and submit it by clicking "add > new url". You will get tons of extra traffic to your website! > > Thanks, > Kellen > > > Article 27201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: honey recipes Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_B3E5.2039$6t3.104801@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:07:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 971032058 63.22.151.228 (Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:07:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:07:38 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27201 Hi Matthew! Please check my website http://www.ohiohoney.com there are some recipes there. Also, have you gone to the national honey board? http://www.nhb.org/ They've got some really good stuff! Gotta love that Honey! ;-) Have a Sweet Day! Lucy "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu... > Now that i seem to have an abundant supply of honey, how about some > recipes? We made the chocolate chip cookie recipe that was mentioned a > month ago (yummy) and have a applie-pie recipe. Is there a good web > page that has lots of recipes or a cookbook? I searched amazon but > didn't really find much. The vendors (mann lake, etc.) ain't that much > help either. > > thanks > Matthew > > Article 27202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:21:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.22.151.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 971032862 63.22.151.228 (Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:21:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:21:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27202 Dear Royal, Once again, you're Out-Done Yourself!!!!! That's awesome! Thank you. Do you mind if I put a link to it on my website, www.ohiohoney.com ? Can't wait to see the Bee Academy Awards! Take Care, Lucy Wellhausen "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." wrote in message news:GRjD5.704$WC3.33980@nnrp1.ptd.net... > We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one else > out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? Which I > am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can see > our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm > > Thanks > > Royal W. Draper > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > 800-233-4273 > www.draperbee.com > draperb@ptd.net > > > Article 27203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Storage, Processing, and Bottling Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:20:04 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <39E32593.6359C7C5@bms.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@a049508.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27203 I like to use 3-5 gal plastic buckets to let the honey settle in before bottling. You can often get these used for free from a donut shop or bakery. They get their frosting and fillings in these. Mark wrote: > I'm pretty new at this and need some basic info on what type of containers > are best vs. least expensive for "bulk" storage, processing, and bottling of > honey plastic, stainless steel, metal with food safe coating, glass, > other?...). I also need some good sources for purchases too. > > Thanks for your help. > Mark Article 27204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Mites Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:46:07 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> X-Trace: news.jump.net 971200222 21240 207.8.9.139 (10 Oct 2000 17:50:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27204 I have a hive that appears to be suffering from Varroa infestation. There seem to be many bees with deformed wings and many dead pupa being discarded out the front of the hive. The thing is that this hive was doing great with no symptoms when I put Apistan in it about 6 weeks ago. It is now time to take it out, but the infestation seems worse now than before. I fear that I have a strain of Varroa that has become tolerant to Apistan. What should I do with this hive? Should I remove the Apistan and try the CheckMite+? The other question I have is: What temperature should a hive not be opened below? The temperature here has fallen to about 60 in the day time, and I hesitate to open the hive for fear of chilling the brood. I am in Texas and I know the temp will be higher shortly, should I wait until it does to switch medications? Article 27205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E3497A.818D30@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Storage, Processing, and Bottling References: <39E32593.6359C7C5@bms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:53:14 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 971196683 209.248.4.152 (Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:51:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:51:23 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27205 And, if you install a honey gate near the bottom of the bucket, you can bottle straight from the bucket. AL Jesse Hunter wrote: > > I like to use 3-5 gal plastic buckets to let the honey settle in before > bottling. You can often get these used for free from a donut shop or bakery. > They get their frosting and fillings in these. > > Mark wrote: > > > I'm pretty new at this and need some basic info on what type of containers > > are best vs. least expensive for "bulk" storage, processing, and bottling of > > honey plastic, stainless steel, metal with food safe coating, glass, > > other?...). I also need some good sources for purchases too. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > Mark Article 27206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:46:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <39e39b67.438470112@news1.radix.net> References: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27206 On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:46:07 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: >I have a hive that appears to be suffering from Varroa infestation. There >seem to be many bees with deformed wings and many dead pupa being discarded >out the front of the hive. The thing is that this hive was doing great with >no symptoms when I put Apistan in it about 6 weeks ago. It is now time to >take it out, but the infestation seems worse now than before. I fear that I >have a strain of Varroa that has become tolerant to Apistan. What should I >do with this hive? Should I remove the Apistan and try the CheckMite+? >The other question I have is: What temperature should a hive not be opened >below? The temperature here has fallen to about 60 in the day time, and I >hesitate to open the hive for fear of chilling the brood. I am in Texas and >I know the temp will be higher shortly, should I wait until it does to >switch medications? > Once she gets cold there is usually little brood to worry about. I open hives all winter long many times below freezing and can see no bad effects. Be advised that they don't like it and will let you know it. Just because they aren't flying around doesn't mean that they can't fly out of a warm cluster. Pulling out the Apistan and putting in a different strip shouldn't be a problem. Doing nothing is worse. beekeep Article 27207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:07:26 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 11 Message-ID: <39E4BA6E.7A9024C8@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27207 Teri Bachus wrote: > check out the univ. of montana's "bee alert" webpage > http://biology.dbs.umt.edu/bees/default.htm for their online observation > hive set-up...does not appear to be functioning at present, maybe due to > weather or other constraints, The snow is probably too deep now. Article 27208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Kellen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: do you have a good bee site? Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:03:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 971121826 209.179.121.160 (Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:03:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:03:46 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27208 GrowSearch.com is a specialized search engine for Farming and Gardening websites (includes a large number of beekeeping sites). If you have a related website go to http://growsearch.com and submit it by clicking "add new url". You will get tons of extra traffic to your website! Thanks, Kellen Article 27209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:23:32 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 41 Message-ID: <39E4BE34.2C98486@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8s1is0$13u6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27209 busybee wrote: > Good Job! There does however seem to be a glare...could you maybe try a > light filter? > > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. wrote in message > news:GRjD5.704$WC3.33980@nnrp1.ptd.net... > > We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one else > > out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? Which > I > > am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can > see > > our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm > > > > Thanks > > > > Royal W. Draper > > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > > 800-233-4273 > > www.draperbee.com > > draperb@ptd.net > > > > Glare has been the main problem with beecams we have tried - it helps to have the camera in the dark, or at least shooting through a hole in a dark cloth (preferred) or paper. Also, glass shops stock non-glare glass sheets for photo work. Avoid fluorescent lighting, and get a camera which automatically adjusts for low-light. Turning off the automatic focus helps sometimes, also. I'd show you my previous attempts - swarmtrapcam, varroacam and observationdishcam, but our new 16-year-old "webmaster" seems to have crashed the site :-(( ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 27210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Storage, Processing, and Bottling Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:23:34 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-ABzdbb6R3Y9d9wH14n4t/bbfgqVKdDZDkoVq5j+SnI+1gp76EalpFyuC420JrzXHkqRRNQiAsz5JkO1!CteuwsFNnEmhXIY/vjLwgps= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:20:24 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27210 I'm pretty new at this and need some basic info on what type of containers are best vs. least expensive for "bulk" storage, processing, and bottling of honey plastic, stainless steel, metal with food safe coating, glass, other?...). I also need some good sources for purchases too. Thanks for your help. Mark Article 27211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E25E9E.29AFD4EF@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Storage, Processing, and Bottling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:11:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 971135679 208.235.28.73 (Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:54:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:54:39 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27211 Mark wrote: > > I'm pretty new at this and need some basic info on what type of containers > are best vs. least expensive for "bulk" storage, processing, and bottling of > honey plastic, stainless steel, metal with food safe coating, glass, > other?...). I also need some good sources for purchases too. > > Thanks for your help. > Mark Glass & food grade plastic containers work just fine. Brushy Mountain has a nice selection of both in various shapes & sizes. If you decide to go with bears, I'd recommend their K-resin bears. The clear plastic shows off the contents better then the translucent ones. Also, the flip top lids are a lot neater than the spout caps. You can contact them at 800-233-7929 or hit their website at: http://www.beeequipment.com/index.htm I've received excellent service and they have been very friendly folks to deal with. AL Article 27212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will wood burner smoke affect hives? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:35:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8s310j$99q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.223.230.253 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 12 00:35:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.223.230.253 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27212 I live in wastern Pennsylvania and started with two hives this year. I heat with a wood burner. On those calm foggy nights the wood smoke smell is all over my one acre lot. Will this affect the bees the same as using a smoker? Was wondering if anyone out there has noticed or keeps bees near a wood burner. Thanks for any input. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8s310j$99q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Will wood burner smoke affect hives? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:35:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 971314524 24.13.215.128 (Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:35:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:35:24 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27213 I don't think it would have too much effect. The bees might keep more honey in their bellies, just in case. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Philosopher, Gardener, Beekeeper, Winemaker and Fishkeeper wrote in message news:8s310j$99q$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I live in wastern Pennsylvania and started with two hives this year. I > heat with a wood burner. On those calm foggy nights the wood smoke > smell is all over my one acre lot. Will this affect the bees the same > as using a smoker? Was wondering if anyone out there has noticed or > keeps bees near a wood burner. Thanks for any input. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding bees honey Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:19:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8s3k3o$t6v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8s1nih$17v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3.doxycycline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 971330488 29919 62.136.91.3 (12 Oct 2000 06:01:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2000 06:01:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27214 Good way to spread disease. Easier, safer (and cheaper), to buy fondant. "huestis" wrote in message news:8s1nih$17v$1@newsfeed.logical.net... > Hi all, > > Has anyone tried feeding granulated honey to bees in the winter. The method > is to take a pail of granulated honey heat an ice cream scoop and make > patties. These are placed on wax paper and placed on the cluster just like > pollen patties. Is there anyone with experience with this? Seems to be > allot easier than making fondant. Any info out there? Thanks. > > Clayton Huestis > Crown Point, NY > > "My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is > sweet to thy taste." Proverbs 24:13. > > Article 27215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Oct 2000 12:33:13 GMT References: <8s3cng$hcq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Message-ID: <20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27215 >I have been told that you can use Halls Mentho-lyptus menthol cough drops as >a Varroa mite preventative measure. Any thoughts on this? I have been told the moon was green cheese, that onions were skunk eggs, and that jackrabbits only run uphill. The cough drop story is bad info that pops up again and again and screws over new beekeepers. There is about 10mg of menthol in a cough drop. A dose of menthol used in the hive for TRACHAEL mites is 1.6 oz about 4000 x as much as in a menthol cough drop. Tom Article 27216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:03:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8s4cqh$an5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8s3cng$hcq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.145 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 12 13:03:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.145 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27216 In article <20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > >I have been told that you can use Halls Mentho-lyptus menthol cough drops as > >a Varroa mite preventative measure. Any thoughts on this? > > I have been told the moon was green cheese, that onions were skunk eggs, and > that jackrabbits only run uphill. > > The cough drop story is bad info that pops up again and again and screws over > new beekeepers. > There is about 10mg of menthol in a cough drop. A dose of menthol used in the > hive for TRACHAEL mites is 1.6 oz about 4000 x as much as in a > menthol cough drop. > > Tom > > ABSOLUTELY TRUE and well said.I was going to say you might as well use a single grain of menthol.Use cough drops and watch your bees die! -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8rvibe$jr0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <971326764.946830@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Laying worker or drone laying queen? Lines: 91 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <_WiF5.54961$65.597850@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:23:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 971356986 24.13.215.128 (Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:23:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:23:06 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27217 Sounds very very neat...I hope you have fun.. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Philosopher, Gardener, Beekeeper, Winemaker and Fishkeeper Neville Brook wrote in message news:971326764.946830@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hello Peter, > Well I've now spoken to my queen supplier and he also concurs that I have a > drone laying queen. Her eggs are on the bottom and only one, and she is > also there. Apparently if I had a laying worker I would have; (a) eggs on > the sides of the cells (as you suggest), and also most likely, more than one > egg per cell. (b) no queen - it has been suggested that you only get laying > workers if there is no queen. There is most definitely a queen - a > beautiful, big, extremely dark, leathery brown, seemingly spermless one. > She is from a small swarm I picked up last November, so there is no telling > how old she is. When I ordered a new queen the queen breeder was very > interested in my swarm queen. You see her progeny are very, very black, but > the most docile bees to work with. I hardly need my smoker going when > working their hive. It went out on me the other day, and as I had the hive > apart, I didn't bother lighting it again, and didn't need to. Lovely bees, > such a shame she's not got it anymore. Anyway, the queen breeder wants me > to send her to him so that he can do some measuring and monitoring of her > progeny to see if he can work out what type of Melifera they are. They seem > to have a longer, slimmer body than my other Italian hive occupants. > As a new beekeeper it's going to be an interesting weekend for me. My 3rd > ever requeening - no problem there. But, this time I have to pick up the > old queen, get her into a queen cage and a few attendents as well. Should > be interesting to say the least! I feel a stinging time coming up - still > we'll see. > I appreciate your reply, Peter, thanks. > Liz Brook (Auckland NZ) > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:8rvibe$jr0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Not so sure! > > > > Queens usually lay in a discrete pattern, laying workers 'dot about'. > > > > Queens lay eggs attached to the base of the cell, workers, being smaller, > > stick them to the side of the cell. > > > > "Neville Brook" wrote in message > > news:971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > I was a little premature posting my question. I have spoken to one of > the > > > older beekeepers near me and between us have confirmed that I have a > drone > > > laying queen. > > > > > > Thanks anyway. > > > Cheers Liz > > > > > > "Neville Brook" wrote in message > > > news:971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a hive with approx 4-5 frames of worker brood with drone brood > > > dotted > > > > throughout in no particular pattern. How do I know whether I have a > > drone > > > > laying queen or a laying worker? There are no cells with more than > one > > > egg > > > > per cell that I can see. Appreciate all replies. > > > > Cheers > > > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 27218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will wood burner smoke affect hives? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:22:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8s4du7$bmd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8s310j$99q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.145 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 12 13:22:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.145 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27218 In article <8s310j$99q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jduncan57@my-deja.com wrote: > I live in wastern Pennsylvania and started with two hives this year. I > heat with a wood burner. On those calm foggy nights the wood smoke > smell is all over my one acre lot. Will this affect the bees the same > as using a smoker? Was wondering if anyone out there has noticed or > keeps bees near a wood burner. Thanks for any input. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Here in the West Forest fires sometimes make the air smoky for days at a time.Never noticed any problems or reactions from the bees.Once a fire was burning a few hundred yards from the bees and they had to be moved quick!Definately didnt need to light a smoker.That was quite an experience ,with bombers flying low overhead dropping retardant,like being in a war zone! -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: honey recipes Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <5kIE5.53138$65.575861@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:27:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 971198849 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:27:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:27:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27219 Are you interested in recipes to make wine and mead from Honey? Try going to the the news group rec.crafts.winemaking...there are lots of people, including myself, who have made or make mead (honey wine). -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Philosopher, Gardener, Beekeeper, Winemaker and Fishkeeper Matthew Pollard wrote in message news:39DF3EC1.C48E41BB@uidaho.edu... > Now that i seem to have an abundant supply of honey, how about some > recipes? We made the chocolate chip cookie recipe that was mentioned a > month ago (yummy) and have a applie-pie recipe. Is there a good web > page that has lots of recipes or a cookbook? I searched amazon but > didn't really find much. The vendors (mann lake, etc.) ain't that much > help either. > > thanks > Matthew > > Article 27220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!xfer.netnews.com.MISMATCH!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying worker or drone laying queen? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:52:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8rvibe$jr0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.erythromycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 971197614 20320 62.136.93.12 (10 Oct 2000 17:06:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2000 17:06:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27220 Not so sure! Queens usually lay in a discrete pattern, laying workers 'dot about'. Queens lay eggs attached to the base of the cell, workers, being smaller, stick them to the side of the cell. "Neville Brook" wrote in message news:971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > I was a little premature posting my question. I have spoken to one of the > older beekeepers near me and between us have confirmed that I have a drone > laying queen. > > Thanks anyway. > Cheers Liz > > "Neville Brook" wrote in message > news:971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > Hi All, > > I have a hive with approx 4-5 frames of worker brood with drone brood > dotted > > throughout in no particular pattern. How do I know whether I have a drone > > laying queen or a laying worker? There are no cells with more than one > egg > > per cell that I can see. Appreciate all replies. > > Cheers > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > Article 27221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:32:21 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8s1is0$13u6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-68.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 971263680 36806 209.130.165.68 (11 Oct 2000 11:28:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 2000 11:28:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27221 Good Job! There does however seem to be a glare...could you maybe try a light filter? Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. wrote in message news:GRjD5.704$WC3.33980@nnrp1.ptd.net... > We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one else > out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? Which I > am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can see > our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm > > Thanks > > Royal W. Draper > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > 800-233-4273 > www.draperbee.com > draperb@ptd.net > > Article 27222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8s1is0$13u6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1TYE5.2435$WC3.103145@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:17:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 971266621 204.186.129.149 (Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:17:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:17:01 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27222 Thanks, I'll check into a light filter. Royal "busybee" wrote in message news:8s1is0$13u6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Good Job! There does however seem to be a glare...could you maybe try a > light filter? > > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. wrote in message > news:GRjD5.704$WC3.33980@nnrp1.ptd.net... > > We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one else > > out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? Which > I > > am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can > see > > our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm > > > > Thanks > > > > Royal W. Draper > > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > > 800-233-4273 > > www.draperbee.com > > draperb@ptd.net > > > > > > Article 27223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeding bees honey Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:40:26 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8s1nih$17v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup52.ticony1.capital.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 971268497 1279 209.23.15.52 (11 Oct 2000 12:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 2000 12:48:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27223 Hi all, Has anyone tried feeding granulated honey to bees in the winter. The method is to take a pail of granulated honey heat an ice cream scoop and make patties. These are placed on wax paper and placed on the cluster just like pollen patties. Is there anyone with experience with this? Seems to be allot easier than making fondant. Any info out there? Thanks. Clayton Huestis Crown Point, NY "My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste." Proverbs 24:13. Article 27224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8s21b9$d4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 11 15:35:04 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.131 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27224 In article <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net>, "CharlesW" wrote: > I have a hive that appears to be suffering from Varroa infestation. There > seem to be many bees with deformed wings and many dead pupa being discarded > out the front of the hive. The thing is that this hive was doing great with > no symptoms when I put Apistan in it about 6 weeks ago. It is now time to > take it out, but the infestation seems worse now than before. I fear that I > have a strain of Varroa that has become tolerant to Apistan. What should I > do with this hive? Should I remove the Apistan and try the CheckMite+? > The other question I have is: What temperature should a hive not be opened > below? The temperature here has fallen to about 60 in the day time, and I > hesitate to open the hive for fear of chilling the brood. I am in Texas and > I know the temp will be higher shortly, should I wait until it does to > switch medications? > > Get Checkmite in quick.It will reduce the mites so you have a chance.The deformed wings are caused by a virus spread by varroa. This sounds like PMS(Parasitic Mite Syndrome).There may be several viruses involved but the symptoms are scattered sickly looking brood,and the adult population goes down fast. A tsp.of wintergreen oil per gal. of syrup SEEMS to have a beneficial (anti-viral)effect on clearing up the bad brood.But it wont reduce the mites enough to make a difference.If you are in a warm area, you might still have time to get some healthy brood raised before winter.You need young bees to carry over till spring.Best of luck to you loggermike -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Cam Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:21:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8s3k3u$t6v$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8s1is0$13u6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <1TYE5.2435$WC3.103145@nnrp1.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3.doxycycline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 971330494 29919 62.136.91.3 (12 Oct 2000 06:01:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2000 06:01:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27225 Glare from the glass can be cut with a polarising filter; they work best if shooting at 45 degree angle to the glass "Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc." wrote in message news:1TYE5.2435$WC3.103145@nnrp1.ptd.net... > Thanks, I'll check into a light filter. > > Royal > > "busybee" wrote in message > news:8s1is0$13u6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > > Good Job! There does however seem to be a glare...could you maybe try a > > light filter? > > > > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. wrote in message > > news:GRjD5.704$WC3.33980@nnrp1.ptd.net... > > > We have just installed a web-cam on our observation hive. Has any one > else > > > out there done this? And if so do you have any pointers on lighting? > Which > > I > > > am having some problems with being either to bright or to dark. You can > > see > > > our Bee-Cam at: http://www.draperbee.com/webcam/beecam.htm > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Royal W. Draper > > > Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. > > > 800-233-4273 > > > www.draperbee.com > > > draperb@ptd.net > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 27226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unlearned honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:53:35 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 971404610 208.235.28.109 (Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:36:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:36:50 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27226 I have a friend living in China who sent the following inquiry. I don't have a clue how to answer his question. From a friend in China: I was drinking a bottle of "C'est Bon" brand Green Tea Drink given to me today in Sanya on Hainan Island and noted that it contains "unlearned honey". Please explain as I am also "unlearned". Does anyone out there know what "unlearned honey" might mean? I am suspecting the Green Tea labeling is a botched attempt at translation from another language. He does not mention whether the "unlearned" phrase is written in Chinese or English. AL cc:Bee-L Article 27227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8rvibe$jr0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Laying worker or drone laying queen? Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <971326764.946830@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-1.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:57:23 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 971326766 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:59:26 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:59:26 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27227 Hello Peter, Well I've now spoken to my queen supplier and he also concurs that I have a drone laying queen. Her eggs are on the bottom and only one, and she is also there. Apparently if I had a laying worker I would have; (a) eggs on the sides of the cells (as you suggest), and also most likely, more than one egg per cell. (b) no queen - it has been suggested that you only get laying workers if there is no queen. There is most definitely a queen - a beautiful, big, extremely dark, leathery brown, seemingly spermless one. She is from a small swarm I picked up last November, so there is no telling how old she is. When I ordered a new queen the queen breeder was very interested in my swarm queen. You see her progeny are very, very black, but the most docile bees to work with. I hardly need my smoker going when working their hive. It went out on me the other day, and as I had the hive apart, I didn't bother lighting it again, and didn't need to. Lovely bees, such a shame she's not got it anymore. Anyway, the queen breeder wants me to send her to him so that he can do some measuring and monitoring of her progeny to see if he can work out what type of Melifera they are. They seem to have a longer, slimmer body than my other Italian hive occupants. As a new beekeeper it's going to be an interesting weekend for me. My 3rd ever requeening - no problem there. But, this time I have to pick up the old queen, get her into a queen cage and a few attendents as well. Should be interesting to say the least! I feel a stinging time coming up - still we'll see. I appreciate your reply, Peter, thanks. Liz Brook (Auckland NZ) "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8rvibe$jr0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > Not so sure! > > Queens usually lay in a discrete pattern, laying workers 'dot about'. > > Queens lay eggs attached to the base of the cell, workers, being smaller, > stick them to the side of the cell. > > "Neville Brook" wrote in message > news:971060851.94801@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > I was a little premature posting my question. I have spoken to one of the > > older beekeepers near me and between us have confirmed that I have a drone > > laying queen. > > > > Thanks anyway. > > Cheers Liz > > > > "Neville Brook" wrote in message > > news:971058808.223711@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > Hi All, > > > I have a hive with approx 4-5 frames of worker brood with drone brood > > dotted > > > throughout in no particular pattern. How do I know whether I have a > drone > > > laying queen or a laying worker? There are no cells with more than one > > egg > > > per cell that I can see. Appreciate all replies. > > > Cheers > > > Liz (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 27228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:09:20 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8s3cng$hcq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> <8s21b9$d4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.04 X-Server-Date: 12 Oct 2000 03:55:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27228 I have been told that you can use Halls Mentho-lyptus menthol cough drops as a Varroa mite preventative measure. Any thoughts on this? I am just starting out this year with my first hive. Thank you. David A. > Get Checkmite in quick.It will reduce the mites so you have a > chance.The deformed wings are caused by a virus spread by varroa. This > sounds like PMS(Parasitic Mite Syndrome).There may be several viruses > involved but the symptoms are scattered sickly looking brood,and the > adult population goes down fast. > A tsp.of wintergreen oil per gal. of syrup SEEMS to have a beneficial > (anti-viral)effect on clearing up the bad brood.But it wont reduce the > mites enough to make a difference.If you are in a warm area, you might > still have time to get some healthy brood raised before winter.You need > young bees to carry over till spring.Best of luck to you > loggermike > -- > loggermike > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!sea.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:58:29 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8s715h$a22$1@news.jump.net> References: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> <8s21b9$d4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 971442161 10306 207.8.9.139 (13 Oct 2000 13:02:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27230 So how do you get the wintergreen oil to mix with the syrup and not separate and sit on top??? loggermike wrote in message news:8s21b9$d4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net>, > "CharlesW" wrote: > > I have a hive that appears to be suffering from Varroa infestation. > There > > seem to be many bees with deformed wings and many dead pupa being > discarded > > out the front of the hive. The thing is that this hive was doing > great with > > no symptoms when I put Apistan in it about 6 weeks ago. It is now > time to > > take it out, but the infestation seems worse now than before. I fear > that I > > have a strain of Varroa that has become tolerant to Apistan. What > should I > > do with this hive? Should I remove the Apistan and try the CheckMite+? > > The other question I have is: What temperature should a hive not be > opened > > below? The temperature here has fallen to about 60 in the day time, > and I > > hesitate to open the hive for fear of chilling the brood. I am in > Texas and > > I know the temp will be higher shortly, should I wait until it does to > > switch medications? > > > > > Get Checkmite in quick.It will reduce the mites so you have a > chance.The deformed wings are caused by a virus spread by varroa. This > sounds like PMS(Parasitic Mite Syndrome).There may be several viruses > involved but the symptoms are scattered sickly looking brood,and the > adult population goes down fast. > A tsp.of wintergreen oil per gal. of syrup SEEMS to have a beneficial > (anti-viral)effect on clearing up the bad brood.But it wont reduce the > mites enough to make a difference.If you are in a warm area, you might > still have time to get some healthy brood raised before winter.You need > young bees to carry over till spring.Best of luck to you > loggermike > -- > loggermike > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "bobbb" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wanted bee eguipment Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:56:44 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27231 have in my head I would like to purchase honey making equipment big or small I live in Canada New Brunswick. Article 27232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net> Subject: Re: unlearned honey Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:47:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 971448468 24.13.215.128 (Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:47:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:47:48 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27232 I am supposing...and only just supposing that they mean virgin honey and the translation was bad. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Philosopher, Gardener, Beekeeper, Winemaker and Fishkeeper AL wrote in message news:39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net... > I have a friend living in China who sent the following inquiry. I don't > have a clue how to answer his question. > > > From a friend in China: > I was drinking a bottle of "C'est Bon" brand Green Tea Drink given to me > today in Sanya on Hainan Island and noted that it contains "unlearned > honey". Please explain as I am also "unlearned". > > > > Does anyone out there know what "unlearned honey" might mean? I am > suspecting the Green Tea labeling is a botched attempt at translation > from another language. He does not mention whether the "unlearned" > phrase is written in Chinese or English. > > > AL > > cc:Bee-L Article 27233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0464.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:46:19 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <8s3cng$hcq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0464.nts-online.net (216.167.132.209) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 971480784 20616645 216.167.132.209 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27233 >I have been told the moon was green cheese, that onions were skunk eggs, and >that jackrabbits only run uphill. Must have gone to school in Texas. C.K. Article 27234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wmvrrvrrmm@aol.comzmmmzmmm (wmmvrrvrrmm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How do you use Api Life VAR? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Oct 2000 23:27:45 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001013192745.07789.00003803@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27234 Someone I know has bought some Api Life VAR to use , but the instructions are all in Italian, he can't read the language, and he needs to use it shortly. Can anyone tell me the exact ways to use this substance. ------------------------------------------------------------- Remove "zmmmzmmm" to e-mail me The Wmmvrrvrrmm Place! http://member.aol.com/wmvrrvrrmm The Velvet Belly Page http://www.geocities.com/velvet_belly_uk Article 27235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey supers and waxmoths Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:41:28 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <39E77378.ED5EDDED@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76ed.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27235 Gentle Beekeepers, A question if you will. Some of my drawn foundation has 1 or 2 paths where waxmoths have burrowed through. I discovered this and now have them in the freezer. The question is: Will the bees repair the holes where the moths tunneled through the foundation? The frames of wax are not devastated and I want to reuse if possible. Gary Johns Article 27236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey supers and waxmoths Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 2000 00:35:45 GMT References: <39E77378.ED5EDDED@okstate.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001013203545.16771.00001466@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27236 Bees will fix them up fine. A real mangled spot will get filled in with drone brood. Tom Article 27237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unlearned honey Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:30:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8s8ggv$ohi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 14 02:30:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.172 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27237 In article <39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net>, AL wrote: > I have a friend living in China who sent the following inquiry. I don't > have a clue how to answer his question. > > From a friend in China: > I was drinking a bottle of "C'est Bon" brand Green Tea Drink given to me > today in Sanya on Hainan Island and noted that it contains "unlearned > honey". Please explain as I am also "unlearned". > > Does anyone out there know what "unlearned honey" might mean? I am > suspecting the Green Tea labeling is a botched attempt at translation > from another language. He does not mention whether the "unlearned" > phrase is written in Chinese or English. > > AL > > cc:Bee-L > Unlearned honey:A female graduate of the public school system. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E7CD15.8DA6629A@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unlearned honey References: <39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net> <8s8ggv$ohi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:03:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 971491620 208.235.28.87 (Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:47:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:47:00 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27238 loggermike wrote: > > In article <39E6792F.DEFF8035@midwest.net>, > AL wrote: > > > > Does anyone out there know what "unlearned honey" might mean? I am > > suspecting the Green Tea labeling is a botched attempt at translation > > from another language. He does not mention whether the "unlearned" > > phrase is written in Chinese or English. > > > > AL > > > Unlearned honey:A female graduate of the public school system. heh heh heh AL Article 27239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:19:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8s8fr4$o2p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> <8s21b9$d4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8s715h$a22$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 14 02:19:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.172 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27239 In article <8s715h$a22$1@news.jump.net>, "CharlesW" wrote: > So how do you get the wintergreen oil to mix with the syrup and not separate > and sit on top??? > > loggermike wrote in message > news:8s21b9$d4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net>, > > "CharlesW" wrote: > > > I have a hive that appears to be suffering from Varroa infestation. > > There > > > seem to be many bees with deformed wings and many dead pupa being > > discarded > > > out the front of the hive. The thing is that this hive was doing > > great with > > > no symptoms when I put Apistan in it about 6 weeks ago. It is now > > time to > > > take it out, but the infestation seems worse now than before. I fear > > that I > > > have a strain of Varroa that has become tolerant to Apistan. What > > should I > > > do with this hive? Should I remove the Apistan and try the CheckMite+? > > > The other question I have is: What temperature should a hive not be > > opened > > > below? The temperature here has fallen to about 60 in the day time, > > and I > > > hesitate to open the hive for fear of chilling the brood. I am in > > Texas and > > > I know the temp will be higher shortly, should I wait until it does to > > > switch medications? > > > > > > > > Get Checkmite in quick.It will reduce the mites so you have a > > chance.The deformed wings are caused by a virus spread by varroa. This > > sounds like PMS(Parasitic Mite Syndrome).There may be several viruses > > involved but the symptoms are scattered sickly looking brood,and the > > adult population goes down fast. > > A tsp.of wintergreen oil per gal. of syrup SEEMS to have a beneficial > > (anti-viral)effect on clearing up the bad brood.But it wont reduce the > > mites enough to make a difference.If you are in a warm area, you might > > still have time to get some healthy brood raised before winter.You need > > young bees to carry over till spring.Best of luck to you > > loggermike > > -- > > loggermike > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Make it thick and feed a quart at a time.I think enough stays in suspension to work.I used honey syrup(from my own bees) -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:48:38 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8s8gqg$s5d$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8s3cng$hcq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4d.04 X-Server-Date: 14 Oct 2000 02:36:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27240 Thanks Tom. That is why I asked, it sounded too good to be true. David BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com... > > I have been told the moon was green cheese, that onions were skunk eggs, and > that jackrabbits only run uphill. > > The cough drop story is bad info that pops up again and again and screws over > new beekeepers. > There is about 10mg of menthol in a cough drop. A dose of menthol used in the > hive for TRACHAEL mites is 1.6 oz about 4000 x as much as in a > menthol cough drop. > > > > Tom > > > > Article 27241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8s3cng$hcq$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com> <8s8gqg$s5d$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:01:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 971492512 209.212.62.86 (Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:01:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:01:52 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27241 We found that wintergreen mixes freely with honey. It seems honey is a natural emulsifier and adding drops will, with stirring mix quite easily. For our full story on using wintergreen and mineral oil visit http://www.beeworks.com/EssentialOils.htm you should find it interesting if nothing else!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "David" wrote in message news:8s8gqg$s5d$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net... > Thanks Tom. > That is why I asked, it sounded too good to be true. > > David > > BeeCrofter wrote in message > news:20001012083313.18015.00001494@ng-fm1.aol.com... > > > > I have been told the moon was green cheese, that onions were skunk eggs, > and > > that jackrabbits only run uphill. > > > > The cough drop story is bad info that pops up again and again and screws > over > > new beekeepers. > > There is about 10mg of menthol in a cough drop. A dose of menthol used in > the > > hive for TRACHAEL mites is 1.6 oz about 4000 x as much as in a > > menthol cough drop. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Article 27242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding bees honey Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:56:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8s9l62$h4g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8s1nih$17v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <8s3k3o$t6v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.83 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 14 12:56:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.83 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27242 In article <8s3k3o$t6v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > Good way to spread disease. << I've got a question similar to Clayton's that might spread disease as well. Is it a good idea to feed fermented honey back to the bees? I made a bad mistake and mixed some uncapped honey with capped when I extracted it. Some of it must have been fermenting so now I've got a 5-gallon container nearly full of the stuff and don't know what to do with it. Any ideas? Other than being more careful next year!! LOL! Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8s8ggv$ohi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001014054825.05265.00001752@ng-fc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: unlearned honey Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:45:18 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 971538055 204.244.87.92 (Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:40:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:40:55 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27243 Could have been unstrained honey without the s Normand Article 27244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E8817A.78D529E9@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unlearned honey References: <8s8ggv$ohi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001014054825.05265.00001752@ng-fc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:53:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 971537803 208.235.28.84 (Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:36:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:36:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27244 BeeCrofter wrote: > > How about "raw" > > Tom That seems to be the concensus so far. As I think about it I can see how the term "natural" might also fit the description. AL Article 27245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39E8895D.28872C13@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unlearned honey References: <8s8ggv$ohi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20001014054825.05265.00001752@ng-fc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:27:09 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 971539785 208.235.28.84 (Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:09:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:09:45 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27245 The friend in China has obtained another bottle of the Green Tea containing "unlearned" honey. He reports that the Chinese labeling calls it "Pure Natural Honey", it is the English translation that uses the "unlearned" phrase. His having missed that the first time around has me wondering what else might be in that tea:) Thanks for the input. AL Article 27246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Oct 2000 09:48:25 GMT References: <8s8ggv$ohi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: unlearned honey Message-ID: <20001014054825.05265.00001752@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27246 How about "raw" Tom Article 27247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mites Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:45:52 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39E8A9E0.87DF3777@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8rvksu$kno$1@news.jump.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27247 Hi Charles, Slide a thin piece of white plastic in on the bottom board. Place a couple of thin sticks on it with 1/8" screen on top. This will help you verify if there is still a good mite drop happening. I made up a more permanent set up so I can check when ever I want with out disturbing the bees. I have found a heavy mite fall this year. Since I only made it this summer I don't know about other years to compare. However, after 4 weeks 2 hives are still dropping quite a few mites. Maybe between 25/24 hour on one hive and 100 to 200 on the other. I have Apistan in both hives so I can conclude it is still effective, but there must have been a very heavy infestation. Both hives have improved greatly since the first week. Both inserts were completely covered after 24 hours. The plastic I used was the kind you use for covering fluorescent light panels. It measures 24" x 48" and is 1/8" thick. Good luck. Kent Stienburg Ontario, Canada Article 27248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cappings Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:20:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 971551250 24.147.172.21 (Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:20:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:20:50 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27248 Could someone explain to me how a capping spinner works? What's the principal behind it? Is this something a DIY can make? If so, what are the basic parts? Dave Verville Fremont NH http://www.beesource.com/plans/extractor_20.htm http://www.beesource.com/plans/framejig.htm http://www.beesource.com/plans/obsphoto.htm Article 27249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding bees honey Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:03:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8sae5t$313$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8s1nih$17v$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <8s3k3o$t6v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <8s9l62$h4g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.144 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 14 20:03:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.144 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27249 In article <8s9l62$h4g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <8s3k3o$t6v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, > "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > Good way to spread disease. << > > I've got a question similar to Clayton's that might spread disease as > well. Is it a good idea to feed fermented honey back to the bees? > > I made a bad mistake and mixed some uncapped honey with capped when > I extracted it. Some of it must have been fermenting so now I've got a > 5-gallon container nearly full of the stuff and don't know what to do > with it. Any ideas? Other than being more careful next year!! LOL! > > Sincerely, > Herb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Fermentation means there is alcohol present to some degree.There are stories in the literature of drunk bees.I doubt if alcoholic bees are very productive,so I wouldnt recommend feeding back especially at this time of year.But in the spring it might make the bees happy! FWIW I just opened some 5 gal. pails of thin honey syrup with wintergreen oil made last spring that set in the sun all summer.No fermentation. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Oct 2000 20:36:24 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Beeswax Message-ID: <20001014163624.15717.00000111@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27250 I know we are all Beekeepers here, but I figure I'll try anyway;) I'm selling beeswax @ 3.50lb. for anyone thats interested. Its in 2 pound filtered blocks. Larger orders means cheaper wax. thanks Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Good is the Sugar Shake? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:17:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <8saihf$6a4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.185 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 14 21:17:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.185 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27251 Here are our preliminary results: In ten yards we obtained 45 mites from two to four hives by sugar shakes, using about a cup of bees per hive with all the sugar dumped into a single bag per yard for later analysis by dissolving the sugar in water. We then immediately placed two Apistan(r) strips into each of the same tested hives and inserted sticky boards with screens. The strips and boards were left in the hives a minimum of 24 hours and a maximum of about a week (see data). The sugar gave us 49 mites and the boards returned 2384 mites for a ratio of about 49 mites dropped by Apistan for each mite found by sugar in the same hives, however one must consider that some individual hives and some yards returned zeros for both tests and therefore a simple ratio like 50:1 cannot be used. A quick glance reveals that the ratio varies from around 15:1 to infinity:1. Several hive groups that gave zero results from sugar shake subsequently yielded mites in the hundreds. Here is the raw data: Yard Sugar Result Sticky Pick up Result Name Shake (Mites) Board Date (Mites) Date BCNE S28 0 S28 O5 0 BCSW S29 0 S29 O5 0 BCSE S29 0 S28 O5 13 Jahns' O5 3 O5 O5 0 Taylors' O5 0 O5 O5 1 Vanovers' O10 0 O10 O13 28 KadarE O6 0 O6 O13 235 KadarW O6 3 O6 O13 235 ButlerW O10 0 O10 O13 162 ButlerE O10 0 O10 O13 41 Pisco O11 0 O11 O13 204 Hainsworth O11 0 O11 O13 63 Dixon Bush O11 28 O11 O13 421 Wilson O10 4 O10 O10 288 Dixon O11 8 O10 O11 22 Beckwith's O12 5 O12 O12 72 Schlags Hill O10 0 O12 O12 213 Schlag CS O10 0 O10 O10 2 Rattai O12 1 O12 O13 381 Key: O13 is October 13, S29 is September 29 The work was done by our competent commercial beekeeping staff while going about their normal activities, following standard procedures. Our location is east and north of 51.1 N, 114.02 W or around halfway between Lethbridge and Edmonton, Alberta CANADA. I would be interested in comments from scientists and extension people as well as beekeepers on what to think of this. allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Pictures of preparing and applying formic pads Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queenbreeding Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:41:46 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8sau9t$n3e$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip5.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 971570301 23662 195.249.242.5 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27252 Any interest for a queenbreeding course. If I am willing to do some work here on my web and here. run me down with interested e-mails and I will start it. Simple ways and more sofisticated. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 supports English, German, Spanish, Brazil Portuguese, Finnish , Swedish and of course Danish too. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk now more easy to get around. e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: stargateopen@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cost of bee removal? Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAt95R9X40/mW45z/jweJDNIldaAgCFE3IwyHIx6/neyZXzJpCIelwObnt Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27270 Hi, everyone in the group. Can anyone tell me the average cost to have a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? Article 27271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> <2q8kusk0v6aboeufd8pglt9dkoau6q275p@4ax.com> Subject: SV: SV: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <6OvG5.1529$Z75.3770@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.188.144 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 971671810 212.151.188.144 (Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:50:10 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:50:10 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-188-144.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:54:24 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27271 Charlie Kroeger skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:2q8kusk0v6aboeufd8pglt9dkoau6q275p@4ax.com... (...) Your answer made me realize that I should introduce myself a little, so: my name is Doris Pöppel, 34 years old, from the island Gotland in Sweden. I use my husband's computer and his name is Stig Hansson (and I don't know how to change the name - hope you don't mind) and I'm not a lawyer ; ), but like everywhere else I can see that people have trouble with combining reality and theory. We live on a small farm and I have about 20 hives with nice Italian/Buckfast-inhabitants. Since I'm interested in the conditions of bee-keepers in other countries and especially how they treat varroa and other problems I thought I'd join this NG more actively than before - am I welcome??? Kind regards Doris Article 27272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing brood frames Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:53:55 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8sefmu$j35$1@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <971652110.9047.0.nnrp-08.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1391-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27272 Dick Thompson wrote >What I'd like to know is > whether it is safe to keep these frames (which are otherwise in good > condition) until next year, for some future colony to clean out, or should I > destroy them? i'm presuming u know the dead hive WASN'T diseased. to avoid wax moth keep the frames so plenty of cool air is constantly passing thru them, or treat them with pdb. any hive u add them to next season will clean them out a treat. cheers, mark Article 27273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Propolis-solution? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39EB24FA.72E09E54@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:55:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27273 STIG HANSSON wrote:
I wonder what on earth could be used to solute that stuff? ; )
Thanks!
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  Article 27274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:42:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8sfb4r$m83$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 16 16:42:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.158 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27274 In article <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, stargateopen@webtv.net wrote: > Hi, everyone in the group. Can anyone tell me the average cost to have > a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? > It depends greatly on the part of the country you are in and even the city because costs vary so much. If you are asking because you are thinking of doing it then be sure and read all of Allen's excellent advice. Trying to talk people out of it has rarely worked for me, but I try. Sometimes I wonder if that is a good idea because the untended colony might spread disease before they finally succumb to mites. My daughter and I started removing colonies and swarms here in NW Florida last year. Swarms are free as a public service. We had a card made up and gave it to police, fire departments, and pest control people. We say a minimum of $125 and have charged between $50 and $200 depending on how difficult it is to get to the bees. We make it clear up front that we will remove whatever we have to in order to get the bees out (if they don't want to wait for the funnel method), but that they will be responsible for all repairs. We use a stethoscope to pinpoint the location so we can do as little damage to the building as possible. You may run into people that think the bees are valuable and you should be paying them. If so tell them that you will be glad to buy their bees if they will put them in a screen box with the queen in a separate screen box inside. If you've ever bought a package of bees you can even furnish the box for them. LOL! But let's face it. The whole thing is a public service! There is no way we could ever charge enough to cover the time and expense of removing bees from buildings. But sometimes it's a challenge and fun. And once in a great while we might even be able to start a hive with the bees. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: SV: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:36:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8sflbh$vqj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> <2q8kusk0v6aboeufd8pglt9dkoau6q275p@4ax.com> <6OvG5.1529$Z75.3770@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 16 19:36:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.189 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27275 > Since I'm interested in the conditions of bee-keepers in other countries and especially how they treat varroa and other problems I thought I'd join this NG more actively than before - am I welcome??? Of course you are. Some of the guys are just kidding around. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EB61B4.E39E7FC0@flash.net> From: Maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:15:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.250.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 971727334 207.104.250.4 (Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:34 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27276 I live in Orange County, California. this guy charges $50 for Basic Inspection to got knows how much . check out his link below http://www.beebusters.com/removal.html stargateopen@webtv.net wrote: > Hi, everyone in the group. Can anyone tell me the average cost to have > a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? Article 27277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:52:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <39eaebf2.210834897@news1.radix.net> References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27277 On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:40:47 -0400 (EDT), stargateopen@webtv.net wrote: >Hi, everyone in the group. Can anyone tell me the average cost to have >a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? > I charge a minimum of $250.00 beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:16:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 95 Message-ID: <8sf2ir$e8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39eaebf2.210834897@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 16 14:16:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.177 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27278 > >Can anyone tell me the average cost to have > >a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? > > > I charge a minimum of $250.00 With me, it depends. First, if the bees are in a house belonging to a landowner where I have bees, or a neighbour, and I feel in any way responsible, I don't charge. But, then, I don't always remove them either. In fact I almost never have had to in over a quarter century of keeping up to 4,000 hives. Most of my removals were when I was a small beekeeper and didn't know any better. I cannot actually think of a case where anyone decided to have the house actually disassembled after we had a chat about how nice and mostly harmless such bees are, etc. I explain how we have had up to a thousand hives in our own yard at times with honey customers and their kids coming and going -- and no mishaps. If they tell me they are terrified of bees, I tell them I was too as a kid and had nightmares about wasps, but I got over it. Obviously. If they tell me they are allergic, or their kids, I tell them that they are nuts not to get desensitized because it is a sure thing they will be stung out of the blue someday, somewhere when they don't have their kit along -- and, besides, the desensitization procedure is cheap (compared to dying) -- and there is no sense living in terror. I also explain that needles and pills give a false sense of security. They only give you ten extra minutes until you are dead if you don't get to a hospital. That is if you are really that seriously allergic -- and most are not really, but who wants to find out for sure? I also talk about the labour bill for carpentry and the potential damage to the building and the fact that such usually die out in winter and that if they are observant that they can just close up the hole when they are sure the bees are all gone and the honey has been robbed out in the spring before swarming time when the hole will likely attract a new swarm. (I've been really wrong about this and I had one house which threw a nice swarm every year for about ten years in early June. Guess who got the swarms which always landed nicely at eye level in the same tree. If they still think they want to operate, I say I'll be glad to come and remove the bees when the carpenters are ready and even lend them protective gear and a smoker. In the several cases where I have removed bees, I usually used homemade cone escapes and it worked -- sorta. It took longer and required more trips that initially expected. Sometimes the bees find an alternate route. I used a Sawzall recently to remove an entire window filled with bees, but that was for my own entertainment. See more about that adventure at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/Diary090100.htm#swarm and subsequent pages. If I weren't doing a removal out of a feeling of responsibility or friendship, I would charge a reasonable hourly rate and mileage. Quote the maximum it might require for setting up, checking progress several times, taking everything away, and bringing a hive to rob the honey stash (if this is required so that honey does not go bad or melt in the wall), and to plug the hole(s). People think a beekeeper gets honey and bees from the job and that this is worth something. Some even expect to be paid for the bees or honey recovered. So be sure to make this point clear: nothing is paid for any bees or honey recovered, although you may offer to share the honey with them. Usually the honey is a small quantity and handling it is a hassel. Usually removals are at a time of year when the bees are not really worth anything much to the beekeeper, and queens are often lost, etc. Offer to give them to the building owner if he still thinks they are worth something. But above all, please remember: Beekeepers rely on the good will of the community more than many other occupations. We must always be ready to do public relations to protect our livelihood or hobby at all times. Removing bees is, for the beekeeper, a public obligation, so please be sure rates you charge are reasonable and your attitude is respectful and accommodating if you tell the prospects you are a beekeeeper because your actions reflect on us all. If you tell them you are in pest control, then I don't care what you charge. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!ord-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.uiowa.edu!red.weeg.uiowa.edu!mcicha From: "Michael Z. Cicha" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Crosspost of interest Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:37 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 114 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: red.weeg.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 971711559 5318 128.255.56.5 (16 Oct 2000 15:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:52:39 GMT X-Sender: mcicha@red.weeg.uiowa.edu Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27279 Found this in Sci.agriculture.fruit. Thought it might be of interest. (From a long-time lurker and future bee-keeper) >From rcjohnsen@aol.com Mon Oct 16 10:46:00 2000 Date: 16 Oct 2000 01:25:13 GMT From: Rcjohnsen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Neat fungicide delivery without spraying Ohio State University 19-Sep-00 Bees Deliver Fungicide more Effectively than Sprays Library: SCI Keywords: FUNGICIDE STRAWBERRY GRAY MOLD BEE Description: Researchers from Ohio State and Cornell universities have found that bees can deliver a biological fungicide to strawberry blooms more effectively than can mechanical sprayers (Journal Biological Control). Contact: Joseph Kovach,(330) 263-3846 kovach.49@osu.edu Jeff Grabmeier, Ohio State Research Communications (614) 292-8457, Grabmeier.1@osu.edu BEES DELIVER FUNGICIDE MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN SPRAYS, STUDY FINDS COLUMBUS, Ohio - Researchers from Ohio State and Cornell universities have found that bees can deliver a biological fungicide to strawberry blooms more effectively than can mechanical sprayers. The study involved placing a tray filled with the fungicide - composed of an anti-fungal microorganism - in front of bee hives. The bees walk through this "foot bath" while exiting the hive and deposit the fungicide on strawberry flowers. Using the procedure to dispense a natural fungicide that prevents gray mold - a common rotting disease in strawberries - researchers were able to reduce infected strawberries by 72 percent as compared to 40 percent when the same fungicide was sprayed on plants. The bee-delivered natural fungicide was also as effective at preventing gray mold as a commercially available chemical fungicide that was sprayed on plants. "Since bees carry the fungicide specifically to the flowers, they are more effective than sprays," said Joseph Kovach, associate professor of entomology at Ohio State's Ohio Agricultural Research and Development Center in Wooster, Ohio. "Sprays cover both leaves and flowers, though the target is only the flowers." The study appeared in a recent issue of the Journal Biological Control. Kovach did the study while he was working at Cornell University. He and his Cornell colleagues tested the procedure on 12 strawberry fields in New York under the state's Integrated Pest Management (IPM) Program. The fungicide they used for preventing gray mold, which is caused by the fungus Botrytis cineria, was a commercially available strain of a microorganism called Trichoderma harzarium 1295-22. The study was conducted from 1994 to 1997, using commercial bumblebee colonies and honeybee hives. Although flowers collected from the plants that received bee-delivered treatment had only half the density of the natural fungicide as compared to those that were sprayed, they showed better fungus control. Strawberries from the plants that received the bee-delivered treatment averaged 22 percent more seeds and weighed between 26 and 40 percent more than berries that were given no treatment. "Since strawberries are primarily wind- and gravity-pollinated, most growers don't add hives to their fields. However, previous studies have shown that adding hives does increase strawberry yield," said Kovach. "Our results show that adding hives could help growers increase yield and also achieve disease control." Kovach said growers would prefer the bee-delivery technique to spraying, which is a labor-intensive process involving the mixing and measuring of pesticides and wearing personal protection clothing. "Let the bees do the work," Kovach said. It was also significant that the bee-delivered natural fungicide was as effective as chemical sprays, because it allows farmers to use less chemicals in their fields, Kovach said. He feels the bee-delivery technique may help growers get into new markets that favor organic farming. The experiments were conducted in two strawberry fields at the New York State Agricultural Experiment Station in Geneva, New York, and 10 other farm fields spread over eight counties in New York state. As part of their experiments, the researchers looked at the effect of Trichoderma on individual honey bees and hive health. They found no adverse impact. The bee-delivery technique needs approval from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) before it can be put on the label of commercially available Trichoderma. The research was supported by grants from the New York State IPM Program, the United States Department of Agriculture and the National Biological Control Institute. ### Written by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee Article 27280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:49:50 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39eaebf2.210834897@news1.radix.net><8sf2ir$e8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-225.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 971729434 11794 207.229.151.225 (16 Oct 2000 20:50:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2000 20:50:34 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27280 >>> Can anyone tell me the average cost to have >>> a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? http://beesource.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000002.html Article 27281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1074.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: SV: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:47:57 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> <2q8kusk0v6aboeufd8pglt9dkoau6q275p@4ax.com> <6OvG5.1529$Z75.3770@nntpserver.swip.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1074.nts-online.net (216.167.136.183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 971729278 21424769 216.167.136.183 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27281 am I welcome??? Kind regards Doris of course.. C.K. p.s. Doris won't 'they' let you have a e-mail address at: i.lrs.se / not an easy address to crack it seems. Article 27282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pink Pages Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:50:39 -0400 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.37 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.37 Message-ID: <39eb30c7_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 16 Oct 2000 12:45:59 -0500, 64.208.64.37 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.37 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27282 Greetings! George's Pink Pages have been updated: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Regards, Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 27283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:42:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 109 Message-ID: <39eb9080.252955957@news1.radix.net> References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39eaebf2.210834897@news1.radix.net> <8sf2ir$e8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27283 On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:16:02 GMT, Allen Dick wrote: > >> >Can anyone tell me the average cost to have >> >a beekeeper remove honeybees from a house? >> > >> I charge a minimum of $250.00 > >With me, it depends. > >First, if the bees are in a house belonging to a landowner where I have >bees, or a neighbour, and I feel in any way responsible, I don't >charge. But, then, I don't always remove them either. In fact I >almost never have had to in over a quarter century of keeping up to >4,000 hives. Most of my removals were when I was a small beekeeper and >didn't know any better. > >I cannot actually think of a case where anyone decided to have the >house actually disassembled after we had a chat about how nice and >mostly harmless such bees are, etc. > >I explain how we have had up to a thousand hives in our own yard at >times with honey customers and their kids coming and going -- and no >mishaps. > >If they tell me they are terrified of bees, I tell them I was too as a >kid and had nightmares about wasps, but I got over it. Obviously. > >If they tell me they are allergic, or their kids, I tell them that they >are nuts not to get desensitized because it is a sure thing they will >be stung out of the blue someday, somewhere when they don't have their >kit along -- and, besides, the desensitization procedure is cheap >(compared to dying) -- and there is no sense living in terror. > >I also explain that needles and pills give a false sense of security. >They only give you ten extra minutes until you are dead if you don't >get to a hospital. That is if you are really that seriously allergic -- > and most are not really, but who wants to find out for sure? > >I also talk about the labour bill for carpentry and the potential >damage to the building and the fact that such usually die out in winter >and that if they are observant that they can just close up the hole >when they are sure the bees are all gone and the honey has been robbed >out in the spring before swarming time when the hole will likely >attract a new swarm. (I've been really wrong about this and I had one >house which threw a nice swarm every year for about ten years in early >June. Guess who got the swarms which always landed nicely at eye level >in the same tree. > >If they still think they want to operate, I say I'll be glad to come >and remove the bees when the carpenters are ready and even lend them >protective gear and a smoker. > >In the several cases where I have removed bees, I usually used homemade >cone escapes and it worked -- sorta. It took longer and required more >trips that initially expected. Sometimes the bees find an alternate >route. > >I used a Sawzall recently to remove an entire window filled with bees, >but that was for my own entertainment. See more about that adventure >at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/Diary090100.htm#swarm and >subsequent pages. > >If I weren't doing a removal out of a feeling of responsibility or >friendship, I would charge a reasonable hourly rate and mileage. > >Quote the maximum it might require for setting up, checking progress >several times, taking everything away, and bringing a hive to rob the >honey stash (if this is required so that honey does not go bad or melt >in the wall), and to plug the hole(s). > >People think a beekeeper gets honey and bees from the job and that this >is worth something. Some even expect to be paid for the bees or honey >recovered. So be sure to make this point clear: nothing is paid for any >bees or honey recovered, although you may offer to share the honey with >them. Usually the honey is a small quantity and handling it is a >hassel. Usually removals are at a time of year when the bees are not >really worth anything much to the beekeeper, and queens are often lost, >etc. Offer to give them to the building owner if he still thinks they >are worth something. > >But above all, please remember: Beekeepers rely on the good will of the >community more than many other occupations. We must always be ready to >do public relations to protect our livelihood or hobby at all times. >Removing bees is, for the beekeeper, a public obligation, so please be >sure rates you charge are reasonable and your attitude is respectful >and accommodating if you tell the prospects you are a beekeeeper >because your actions reflect on us all. > >If you tell them you are in pest control, then I don't care what you >charge. > >allen I agree with most of what you say. I have done jobs for less when the owners didn't look to well off. On the other hand I have charged as much as $800 to do a removal. Having been a contractor for many years I have knowlege as to how buildings are built along with knowlege of bees and their behavior. That alone is worth something. Working two stories in the air on an extention ladder messing with a bunch of pissed off bees is not everyone's dream job. It is adownright dirty nasty job at best that requires someone that will not give up until the job is done. Most of the tools required have to be made as well. On most jobs I haven't charged enough! beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: SV: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:47:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <39eb92bd.253528707@news1.radix.net> References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> <2q8kusk0v6aboeufd8pglt9dkoau6q275p@4ax.com> <6OvG5.1529$Z75.3770@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27284 On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:54:24 +0200, "STIG HANSSON" wrote: >Charlie Kroeger skrev i >diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:2q8kusk0v6aboeufd8pglt9dkoau6q275p@4ax.com... >(...) > >Your answer made me realize that I should introduce myself a little, so: >my name is Doris Pöppel, 34 years old, from the island Gotland in Sweden. I >use my husband's computer and his name is Stig Hansson (and I don't know how >to change the name - hope you don't mind) and I'm not a lawyer ; ), but like >everywhere else I can see that people have trouble with combining reality >and theory. We live on a small farm and I have about 20 hives with nice >Italian/Buckfast-inhabitants. > >Since I'm interested in the conditions of bee-keepers in other countries and >especially how they treat varroa and other problems I thought I'd join this >NG more actively than before - am I welcome??? > >Kind regards >Doris > Everyone is welcome here. Being the nature of beekeeping no two of us keep bees the same way. It may look like we don't get along but we are really exchanging ideas. It would be hard to believe a blue eyed, blond hair, Swedish gal wouldn't be welcome! beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Oct 2000 00:31:30 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Subject: top bar hive book Message-ID: <20001016203130.02709.00000082@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27285 Does anybody know if there is any new books out on setting up a top bar hive. There seems to be growing number web sites with info. Are there any new books? Thanks Al Article 27286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: West Nile Virus Spraying!? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:01:32 -0400 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39EBC10B.503351A6@erols.com> Reply-To: amused@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: d9ZD5SJwYgqlBq9ME130fvh4ETWmup0Jfw+N6xFipgk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2000 02:59:56 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27286 Hi. They are spraying for mosquitos here to stem the West Nile Virus. I understand they will spray tonight in selected parts of Montgomery County, Maryland. Does anyone know how this will affect my bees? I am slightly outside the designated spray area, but am concerned. Article 27287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EBCA0A.4BA46E15@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive book References: <20001016203130.02709.00000082@ng-ba1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:39:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 971752978 208.235.28.95 (Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:22:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:22:58 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27287 Jajwuth wrote: > > Does anybody know if there is any new books out on setting up a top bar hive. > There seems to be growing number web sites with info. Are there any new books? > Thanks > Al No need for a book - those web sites provide all the info anyone could want or need on the subject. AL -- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, British House of Commons Article 27288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive book Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 2000 03:42:24 GMT References: <39EBCA0A.4BA46E15@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20001016234224.29614.00000863@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27288 Al wrote: >No need for a book - those web sites provide all the info anyone could >want or need on the subject. > >AL I was hoping by now there would be book out. Al Article 27289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EBE2CE.764FE3A6@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive book References: <39EBCA0A.4BA46E15@midwest.net> <20001016234224.29614.00000863@ng-cm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:25:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 971759313 208.235.28.95 (Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:08:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:08:33 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27289 Jajwuth wrote: > > Al wrote: > >No need for a book - those web sites provide all the info anyone could > >want or need on the subject. > > > >AL > > I was hoping by now there would be book out. > Al Ok, check out the references at the end of this page: http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm AL Article 27290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Lines: 76 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <43ZG5.57813$bI6.2051573@news1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:08:00 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-ZpVfc/u5rYPZjjcG8OXMCYBEgT/GRpvq83ANWBuAU1LCzjs0Z02GtY1TqBaabk1MMmex5QkqtxbfdZd!IzbsTSENssN7ti7fwBwQe3pG X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:08:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27290 Well I don't know much about bears, but I do know a fair amount about electric fences. The fence is probably your best bet. However, you can't just put one up and expect it to keep animals (bears or most anything else) out. A large animal will either run over the fence and not really know what happened or if shocked through all that fur will take off like a shot - as luck would have it, usually through your fence. So..., if you want to avoid lots of repairs, and get the results you're looking for, you have to educate the animals about the fence. How? You have to make sure they get shocked and shocked when and where you want them to be zapped. It's not so hard to do, but you will have to be persistent and patient. First, make the fence visible with something shiny every few feet so the animal can see that something's there. Then hang something the animal likes on the fence in such a way that the animal will surely get zapped. You may have to do this for some time because some animals are a little slower in the thinking area and will try it more than once. Don't forget that you will have to educate each animal. This means keeping the bate on the fence for at least a couple of weeks. Also, you may run into some smarter than average animals (bears) that try to go under or over the fence. To avoid this, you would be wise to make a two or even three wire fence with the bottom wire about 6 or 8 inches off the ground. The good news is, that once educated, most animals will stop testing the wire after getting zapped two or three times. Notice I said most. Some never learn! At some point, you MAY be able to turn off the juice to the fence. Oh yeah, one more important thing about fences. The most common reason why they don't have the shocking power you think they should is that they are not grounded well enough. Look at the information at the following web site to learn more about setting your fence up and the different types available. http://www.kencove.com/stafix/contents.htm Good luck! Mark wrote in message news:8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got > hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are leaving a > little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as bad > as I had initially thought. > > They knocked over the first and second hive and rummaged through the > empty honey supers on top (bees were cleaning after extracting) but they > left the two brood boxes untouched. > > The third hive they took the bottom brood box and carried it about 15 > feet from the hive and cleaned it out. Only broke two frames but licked > the rest of the hive clean, damaging most of the foundation (Duragilt > torn, etc) but leaving the woodenware warp/bent/twisted but > salvageable. The upper brood box was untouched. > > The fourth hive was untouched. > > I picked up the hives, cleaned up the broken comb ,etc. My questions > are > > 1) should I feed the third hive as much sugar water as they can take or > is it to late in the season to start feeding. They have one brood box > full of honey. If so what is the ratio I should use. > > 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what are > my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a motion > detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either I > would appreciate comments. > > 3) Does this sound like a typical bear "attack" I expected more damage > ie broken frames etc. from a bear. A plug for plasticell, all the > duragilt frames that had obvious marks on them were all broken the > plasticell was cleaned of but intact. Time will tell if the bees will > draw it out. > > > Thanks for any info. > > Jeff > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: West Nile Virus Spraying!? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 2000 15:15:01 GMT References: <39EBC10B.503351A6@erols.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001017111501.18953.00000019@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27291 As long as they spray after dark you should be ok. It does provide a photo opportunity for the elected folks to be seen with a spray rig. Once common sense returns they will be educating the public about draining cans and tires again. Tom Article 27292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!feed1.primary.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> From: etfjr@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner's Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:06:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 971798965 216.224.203.153 (Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:09:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:09:25 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27292 I am planning on beginning beekeeping in the spring. Needless to say, I have many questions. The main one: Is there a beekeeping in the SW Missouri area that I can visit. I live in Nevada, MO so anyone within an hour's drive would be nice to meet. Thanks! -- Taylor Francis E-mail: etfjr@yahoo.com Article 27293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:17:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8si1id$ubm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 17 17:17:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.177 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27293 In article <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com>, etfjr@yahoo.com wrote: > I am planning on beginning beekeeping in the spring. Needless to say, I > have many questions. > > The main one: Is there a beekeeping in the SW Missouri area that I can > visit. I live in Nevada, MO so anyone within an hour's drive would be > nice to meet. Thanks! > > -- > Taylor Francis Welcome to the fun world of beekeeping. I've only been in it a couple of years so I still remember most of my silly questions and will be glad to answer yours if I can. You can e-mail me at Vasak@aol.com. Meanwhile your idea of locating a local beekeeper is the best. Also look through the archives for questions, answers, and links to other beekeeping sites. http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/ Sincerely, Herb Campbell NW FL, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear attack - what now? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:10:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.146.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 17 12:10:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {LMFS - Owego} (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.91.146.35 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27294 Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are leaving a little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as bad as I had initially thought. They knocked over the first and second hive and rummaged through the empty honey supers on top (bees were cleaning after extracting) but they left the two brood boxes untouched. The third hive they took the bottom brood box and carried it about 15 feet from the hive and cleaned it out. Only broke two frames but licked the rest of the hive clean, damaging most of the foundation (Duragilt torn, etc) but leaving the woodenware warp/bent/twisted but salvageable. The upper brood box was untouched. The fourth hive was untouched. I picked up the hives, cleaned up the broken comb ,etc. My questions are 1) should I feed the third hive as much sugar water as they can take or is it to late in the season to start feeding. They have one brood box full of honey. If so what is the ratio I should use. 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what are my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a motion detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either I would appreciate comments. 3) Does this sound like a typical bear "attack" I expected more damage ie broken frames etc. from a bear. A plug for plasticell, all the duragilt frames that had obvious marks on them were all broken the plasticell was cleaned of but intact. Time will tell if the bees will draw it out. Thanks for any info. Jeff Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:01:00 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 72 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27295 td64008@link.com wrote: : Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got : hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are leaving a : little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as bad : as I had initially thought. : 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what are : my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a motion : detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either I : would appreciate comments. From experience, electric fences do work (at least against black bears), but *Don't Skimp on the Charger or on the Materials*!! Get the heftiest charger you can afford. You want the bugger to *feel* it, good and hard, to make sure he gets the idea. Mine is rated for running 20 miles of fence, and it's only energizing a loop around an area about 40 feet square. Not Skimping also means using good, sturdy corner posts (at least steel T-posts, but anchored wooden posts embedded at least three feet in the ground are better). The electrified wires need to be *close together* (about 6 inches apart is about right), so that they will catch the bear on the snout, in front of the eyes (shocks in front of the eyes make animals back up, but shocks behind the eyes make them charge forwards). I made the mistake of only having two wires on a 3-foot high fence, and the bear just pushed between them, but increasing the fence to 5 wires took care of the problem. Next, make sure the fence energizer is well grounded, *and follow the grounding instructions exactly!*. A poorly grounded energizer is useless. At the same time, make absolutely sure that the *bear* will be well grounded. If the ground around your fence gets at all dry, you have a couple of choices: 1. Alternate live wires with grounded wires, spaced a couple of inches apart, so that when he touches a live one he will also be touching a grounded one. 2. Lay a sheet of steel hardware cloth or chicken wire on the ground, and ground it out thoroughly so that the bear will be standing on it when he touches the fence. Or better yet, do both. This is a good time to give vent to your vengeful impulses. You don't just want this fence to be mildly discouraging, you want it to *hurt!*. Ground it well, build it solid, and lay the juice into them if they ever come back! Oh yes, and hang strips of bacon over the hot strands. Bacon is extremely conductive, so about the time the bear tries to take a bite, Kerpow! Right in the soft, moist, delicate, and highly conductive mouth! This works. After the bear got through my original, somewhat skimpy fence, I went into this with revenge on my mind, beefed it up considerably, and draped it with a couple of pounds of bacon strips. That night, I went out to check and saw the bear, sitting about fifteen feet back from the fence, looking at it with a mournful expression. I chased him off, and he hasn't been back since. Also, don't put it off! Do it now! Otherwise, they will be back *tonight*, and your remaining hive will be toast! Standing guard tonight with a spotlight, noisemakers, and a rifle in case they come after you, would probably not be a bad idea. And, once the initial attack is repelled, keep it maintained! Check the fence regularly to make sure it is working, cut down weeds before they short out the fence, and replenish the bacon as the birds eat it. This might be the first time bears come sniffing around, but it won't be the last. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 27296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:01:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 971805716 12.72.41.196 (Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:01:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:01:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27296 Jeez Tim, what's your idea of a bad idea? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Timothy C. Eisele" wrote in message news:suojccetbnf123@corp.supernews.com... > > Standing guard > tonight with a spotlight, noisemakers, and a rifle in case they come > after you, would probably not be a bad idea. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu Article 27297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:07:30 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8si4os$35r$1@news.jump.net> References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 971806301 3259 207.8.9.139 (17 Oct 2000 18:11:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27297 I'm sure there are beekeepers there, although I don't know them. The easiest way I know to find them is to go to the grocery stores and see who supplies the "local honey". Usually there will even be a phone number on the label. Good luck! wrote in message news:39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com... > I am planning on beginning beekeeping in the spring. Needless to say, I > have many questions. > > The main one: Is there a beekeeping in the SW Missouri area that I can > visit. I live in Nevada, MO so anyone within an hour's drive would be > nice to meet. Thanks! > > -- > Taylor Francis > E-mail: etfjr@yahoo.com Article 27298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 2000 21:41:49 GMT References: <25821-39ECB3E1-35@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20001017174149.05791.00000792@nso-ca.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27298 In article <25821-39ECB3E1-35@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) writes: > >I have just recieved a rumor from a very good place that a deal is all >but done to kick honey price up to $.65. > Like I say this is a rumor but it sure does come from a good place or >I would not have given it the time of day. Any one else know anything >about it. > Are price supports really help from Uncle Sam? It reminds me of living in a coal town, and folks there thought it was nice of the company to give them credit at the company store....and they never figured out why they couldn't ever pay it back. Uncle Sam doesn't work, others pay his bills. Guess who the others are? I am certain the South Americans and the Chinese will love this round of price supports, it will add a lot of cash to their pockets. Figure out why, and you understand why these price supports are in the end, innane. Just like borrowing and buying from the company store. But it does feel good, and makes us think we are getting rich, but in the end, we just can't figure why we never end up better off. End of sermon. Article 27299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive book Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 2000 22:04:23 GMT References: <39EBE2CE.764FE3A6@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20001017180423.14992.00000046@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27299 Al wrote: >Ok, check out the references at the end of this page: >http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm > > >AL > I took a glance them. I think they are short blurbs within a books of broader topics. I thought also by now there would be an instuctional video on top bar hives. Al > > > > > Article 27300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:33:46 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27300 George Styer wrote: : Jeez Tim, what's your idea of a bad idea? : "Timothy C. Eisele" wrote in message : news:suojccetbnf123@corp.supernews.com... : > : > Standing guard : > tonight with a spotlight, noisemakers, and a rifle in case they come : > after you, would probably not be a bad idea. : > Well, doing it *without* the rifle would definitely be a bad idea :-) -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 27301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <25821-39ECB3E1-35@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArbwY4NgiovA+opE/gIgCCDa2aEMCFHhDKqOthN23pRhvLdi9catOO7tX Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27301 I have just recieved a rumor from a very good place that a deal is all but done to kick honey price up to $.65. Like I say this is a rumor but it sure does come from a good place or I would not have given it the time of day. Any one else know anything about it. Bud Article 27302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <21627-39ECD6C1-9@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <20001017174149.05791.00000792@nso-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuiXo92eq9fqPBghyJodvVQRnCMoCFBZagHFcqxRDraraAOFA5Jq5LOxK Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27302 I am very sorry that I did not make myself clear. I was not asking for pros or cons but just wanted to know if anyone else knew anything or was what I found out just a rumor. I will try to do better next time. Mabe I will get my six year old grandson to reply next time I do not have a very good education I think he knows what a rumor is. Bud Article 27303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:01:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> References: <20001017174149.05791.00000792@nso-ca.aol.com> <21627-39ECD6C1-9@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27303 On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT), bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: >I am very sorry that I did not make myself clear. I was not asking for >pros or cons but just wanted to know if anyone else knew anything or was >what I found out just a rumor. I will try to do better next time. Mabe >I will get my six year old grandson to reply next time I do not have a >very good education I think he knows what a rumor is. >Bud > Once you post something here it is open for discussion. That's what the group is for. Nothing in the reply post was demeaning, he was just stating his opinion. I happen to agree with him. beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001017174149.05791.00000792@nso-ca.aol.com> <21627-39ECD6C1-9@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:24:15 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-8Om7xCdkRkV6ZIjmD13H/4ACWjZ1ttKh0/Ye9Zy1RLhM0JEy24in5eopTA6DlpfxVTq1tvajM+1kO+n!Y6mcmvIKXHrtF9aRBcUDhoBm X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:24:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27304 Bud or Beekeep I'm not too speedy on all this economics stuff. Could ya run through the reasoning for me - real slow. Thanks Mark "beekeep" wrote in message news:39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:46:25 -0400 (EDT), bud1941@webtv.net (John > Partin) wrote: > > >I am very sorry that I did not make myself clear. I was not asking for > >pros or cons but just wanted to know if anyone else knew anything or was > >what I found out just a rumor. I will try to do better next time. Mabe > >I will get my six year old grandson to reply next time I do not have a > >very good education I think he knows what a rumor is. > >Bud > > > > Once you post something here it is open for discussion. That's what > the group is for. Nothing in the reply post was demeaning, he was > just stating his opinion. > > I happen to agree with him. > > beekeep > > The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 18 Oct 2000 01:21:27 GMT References: <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20001017212127.04442.00000082@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27305 The only help we can expect from uncle sam is the new honey loan program which is what you are probably talking about. You can go to your local ascs office and put your honey up on loan. the loan rate is .58 a pound no more no less. You have nine months to pay it back. Other than that the only other hope is that this new lawsuit will scaledown imports, but we can expect that no sooner than a year and a half from now. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:01:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> <8si4os$35r$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.16.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 18 02:01:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.16.101 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27306 > > The main one: Is there a beekeeping in the SW Missouri area that I can > > visit. I live in Nevada, MO so anyone within an hour's drive would be > > nice to meet. You may also want to call your local/state cooperative extension as well as your state agricultural department to get information on "beginning beekeeping courses" which will let you learn prior to getting your bees AND let you meet other people who are in your area who also want to learn about bees. The instructor of this course would be a great source of information. Also, the state agricultural department would be able to tell you the phone number and name of your state bee inspector (if your state has one, probably does). Here in Maine, our bee inspector has been outstanding whenever I have had questions or problems. He also will come to your hives to help you with inspections, diseases, pests, etc.. Don't be afraid to contact them - they are a great resource!! Good Luck, Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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With kind regards, Isidore Postmes - Triticum Exploitatie BV - The Netherlands e-mail: isidore.postmes@triticum.nl Article 27308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:47:15 GMT References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Message-ID: <20001018074715.24867.00000218@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27308 There is an excellent bee association that meets in Neosho, MO. Please contact Eric Edmundson, Rt. 1 Box 1622, Pineville,MO 417-435-2672. The club has 100-150 members and would be an excellent source for your bee education. Jim Pickett Fayetteville, Ar. PS Our bee club meets the second Monday of each month at the Cooperative Extentsion BLDg near the fairgrounds In Fayetteville, AR (7:00PM) Please give us a visit. Article 27309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!usenet01.sei.cmu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:51:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8sk2r9$jfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> <8si4os$35r$1@news.jump.net> <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 18 11:51:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; DSCC/DLA) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27309 In article <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > The main one: Is there a beekeeping in the SW Missouri area that I > can > > > visit. I live in Nevada, MO so anyone within an hour's drive would > be > > > nice to meet. > > You may also want to call your local/state cooperative extension as > well as your state agricultural department to get information > on "beginning beekeeping courses" which will let you learn prior to > getting your bees AND let you meet other people who are in your area > who also want to learn about bees. The instructor of this course would > be a great source of information. Also, the state agricultural > department would be able to tell you the phone number and name of your > state bee inspector (if your state has one, probably does). Here in > Maine, our bee inspector has been outstanding whenever I have had > questions or problems. He also will come to your hives to help you with > inspections, diseases, pests, etc.. Don't be afraid to contact them - > they are a great resource!! > > Good Luck, > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I have to second the opinion on this one - that's how my son got started - the local beekeeping organization had a booth at our county fair, and he signed up for classes. The classes were held at our county extension office (and the teacher was the local inspector) - The classes were excellent, the input from the instructor/inspector was great. He also did beekeeping for 4-H - and was selected to go to the state fair from our county (not bad for his first year!!). The amount of information he has learned from this was invaluable in setting up his first hive and maintaining it. You local ag office and any local beekeeping organizations are the best way to get started. -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:58:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8sk38p$jr8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> <8si4os$35r$1@news.jump.net> <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.171 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 18 11:58:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x69.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.171 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27310 In article <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com wrote: >... Also, the state agricultural > department would be able to tell you the phone number and name of your > state bee inspector (if your state has one, probably does). Here in > Maine, our bee inspector has been outstanding whenever I have had > questions or problems. He also will come to your hives to help you with inspections, diseases, pests, etc.. Don't be afraid to contact them - they are a great resource!! Good point, Paul. Here in Florida there are state bee inspectors in several regions. We are fortunate in that ours only lives about 45 miles away and he has been a big help. He is also a member of the local beekeeping association so he knows who the members are and when they meet. Maybe Taylor will get lucky and find one close by. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Gilles RATIA - APISERVICES" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apiexpo - APIMONDIA - Congress in South Africa Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:33:23 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 142 Message-ID: <8sk5h4$qkv$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bayonne-101-2-232.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 971872612 27295 193.249.173.232 (18 Oct 2000 12:36:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 2000 12:36:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27311 The APIMONDIA-Congress in South Africa from the 2. - 6. September 2001. Information for exhibitors, message from the president of APIMONDIA The beginning of a new millennium brings the first ever APIMONDIA Congress in Africa. The organisation of this world Congress in South Africa offers great opportunities for people from all over the world to participate. With excellent connections to South America, South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand, and regular flights to Europe and North America it is guaranteed that this will be a truly global Congress. APIEXPO will feature displays by exhibitors from all over the world. Companies interested in making business in Africa, South America, South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand will find the South African Congress very attractive. As a special feature to help the exhibitors the prices for exhibition spaces are with all facilities included. Those who has been at other congresses will know what that means. For further information on the APIEXPO please contact: Complete Exhibitions (Nigel Walker) P.O.Box 560 IRENE 0062 South Africa Tel: +27 (0) 12 667-2074 FAX: +27 (0) 12 667-2766 e-mail exhibit@iafrica.com South Africa has so much to offer the beekeeping world: To see African bees in their natural environment, the Cape-bee with its special features, and imported bee-races too. Large scale utilisation of bees for pollination and increasing honey production, showing the development from the original "honey hunting" to large scale technology, with related operations adapting to the rapid changes necessary in today's world. The Congress will be for everyone involved in beekeeping: the scientist, the professional beekeeper, the honey trader, the development worker and the hobby-beekeeper. In addition to these professional activities everybody will also have the chance to experience the great tourist opportunities of South Africa. Se the "big five" in their natural environment. I had the experience last month when I was there to organise the congress. I felt humble to face an elephant that close. Durban is in the KwaZulu-Natal province. The Zulus are proud people with a rich culture, that they will present to us. The Scientific programme will be developed by co-operation between scientists of the South African Organising Committee and the Standing Commissions of APIMONDIA, to ensure that we make a world Congress that reflects the special values of South African scientific development. In the Congress Plenary Sessions, selected keynote speakers will review scientific developments for the beekeepers as well as for fellow scientists. Genetically modified crops as bee forage, varroa and the African Bee races, Effects of trade in bees on the spread of pests and diseases, appropriate-technology for professionals and hobby-beekeepers and Honey and its use in self-medication are just a few of the headlines of the programme. At the Plenary sessions all lectures will be translated into English, German, French and Spanish. Seminars and Workshops will allow the scientists to also have smaller, specialist meetings. An important aim of APIMONDIA'S Congresses is to create links between people involved in the beekeeping world. It has always been a definite goal of APIMONDIA to create friendships between people. Receptions, folklore and entertainment will be an integral part of the Congress to ensure that people have good opportunities to meet. The South African people are well know for the hospitality and excellent wines. I have been asked about security problems in South Africa. When I was there last month I did not feel any discomfort. The congress centre in Durban has recently hosted the worlds AIDS-conference with 11.000 participants without any problems. I look forward to meeting you in South Africa at APIMONDIA 2001. What is APIMONDIA APMONDIA is a world organisation of Beekeepers Associations. We work to create links between everybody involved in the Beekeeping world. We want to facilitate exchange of information and discussion of new ideas. We want to provide beekeepers, researchers and others involved in Beekeeping with the latest information. We want to promote apicultural scientific, technical and economical development in all countries and the fraternal co-operation of beekeepers associations, scientists and of individual beekeepers all over the world. We want to put into practice every initiative which can contribute efficiently to improving beekeeping practice and which can contribute to make Beekeeping profitable. APIMONDIA is 103 years old. It was started with the first congress in Brussels in 1897. APIMONDIA is thus one of the oldest NGOs in the world. We have 54 national beekeepers associations as members. With contacts to many beekeeping journals we represent 5-6 million beekeepers around the world. The biannual congress is the main meeting point for the beekeepers. The Federation has its general Assembly at the congress. At the congress you will have the chance to meet the members of the APIMONDIA Executive Council to discuss directly with them about your problems. Asger Søgaard Jørgensen President of APIMONDIA Møllevej 15 DK 4140 Borup Denmark www.apimondia.org www.apimondia2001.com For more information about the congress and the 2. announcment APIMONDIA2001 Conference Planners P.O.Box 82 / 66 Queen Street IRENE 0062 South Africa Tel. +27 (0) 12 667-3681 FAX + 27 (0) 12 667-3680 e-mail: confplan@iafrica.com In French, Spanish or German Apimondia-Bucharest IITEA Bul. Ficusului 42 A R-71544 Bucharest 1 Romania Tel: +40 1 232 0921 FAX +40 1 232 3487 e-mail: apimondia@itcnet.ro APIMONDIA- General Secretariat Riccardo Jannoni-Sebastianini Corso Vittorio Emanuele II, 101 I-00186 Roma RM Italy Tel: + 3906 685 2286 Fax: +39 06 685 2286 e-mail: apimondia@mclink.it Article 27312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <11062-39ED93CB-8@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <25821-39ECB3E1-35@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRercLtg9f3fsDq6jV0oo5EsWiM/gIVAIowBNDxym9aIFWBQQn4GuZ/PbFd Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27312 I now have read e-mails from all over the USA that say it is going to happen. I would like to think all of you that tried to reply to my post in the way it was posted. If anyone has any "information" on the new deal I would think you very much to post it. thanks Bud Article 27313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!teaser.fr!feed.teaser.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Download beekeeping screensaver Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:05:46 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8sk75j$j5b$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-2-175.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 971874291 19627 193.253.230.175 (18 Oct 2000 13:04:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:04:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27313 You will find at www.beehoo.com a new and free screensaver. New and original bees and beekeeping pictures are available in this screensaver. This screensaver was created by Nid d'Abeilles Apiculture and now dealt by BeeHoo Download it at www.beehoo.com It's free ! Best regards. Jean François LONGY www.beehoo.com Article 27314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:14:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8sk7nj$n9i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 18 13:14:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.2) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27314 In article , Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > George Styer wrote: > : Jeez Tim, what's your idea of a bad idea? > > : "Timothy C. Eisele" wrote in message > : news:suojccetbnf123@corp.supernews.com... > : > > : > Standing guard > : > tonight with a spotlight, noisemakers, and a rifle in case they come > : > after you, would probably not be a bad idea. > : > > > Well, doing it *without* the rifle would definitely be a bad idea :-) > Or without the spotlight... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:20:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <39eda388.388902177@news1.radix.net> References: <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> <20001017212127.04442.00000082@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: p36.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27315 On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:48 +1000, Barry Metz wrote: >you blokes aren't too bad > >you take other country's to court to make them accept your exports( which are >amonst the most heavily subsidised in the world > >then you take us to court to keep our product out of your country, which is now a >good place for us to sell because you have slaughtered our currency > >Barry Metz >Australia Hey, what are freinds for? beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall flower visitors in SC Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:48:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001018094810.05183.00000285@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27316 I've been documenting the pollinators, the preditors, and the other visitors to fall flowers of goldenrod and aster this year, with closeup photos, which are available now for all to see. I may have not seen every possible visitor, but I'll bet I've come close, and I have pics of all I have seen, but one megachilid bee and one small wasp, that were too spooky to ever get close to. One thing I have not been able to do is document the night visitors as I wanted. My infrared closeup photography needs some work, perhaps some new tools. There are still a few unidentified, and you may be able to help. Others may just want to learn the identity of those critters that they see. All can enjoy the wonder of these creatures and the little ecosystems based on these two very important plants. You can see them at: http://pollinator.com/goldenrod.htm and http://pollinator.com/aster.htm All pictures are available free for NONPROFIT, educational use, with certain conditions. For commercial use, contact me. Dave Green The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EDBB17.A848B53E@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:05:34 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-jQdCCQeCbmSgApd7pdmXZwh+pe0OeCBRaeebk2Ft272L5HkRObq2Iqxpcv+ekenYU6HnE03VIuMsaKu!VpwROv5VnrmVftc2XoPD+38= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:05:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27317 "Timothy C. Eisele" wrote: < Standing guard > tonight with a spotlight, noisemakers, and a rifle in case they come > after you, would probably not be a bad idea. You might want to check your state's game laws before you try the spotlight and rifle together at night. Here the fine would *start* at $2,000.00. Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 27318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au> From: Barry Metz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam References: <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> <20001017212127.04442.00000082@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:48 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 971861303 210.215.13.158 (Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:23 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:23 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27318 you blokes aren't too bad you take other country's to court to make them accept your exports( which are amonst the most heavily subsidised in the world then you take us to court to keep our product out of your country, which is now a good place for us to sell because you have slaughtered our currency Barry Metz Australia Robert Williamson wrote: > The only help we can expect from uncle sam is the new honey loan program which > is what you are probably talking about. You can go to your local ascs office > and put your honey up on loan. the loan rate is .58 a pound no more no less. > You have nine months to pay it back. > Other than that the only other hope is that this new lawsuit will scaledown > imports, but we can expect that no sooner than a year and a half from now. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Gilles RATIA - APISERVICES" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Info for visitors - Apimondia 2001 Congress - South Africa Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:15:43 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 125 Message-ID: <8skj5k$dl2$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-bayonne-101-2-239.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 971886580 13986 193.249.173.239 (18 Oct 2000 16:29:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:29:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27319 The APIMONDIA-Congress in South Africa from the 2. - 6. September 2001. Information for exhibitors, message from the president of APIMONDIA The beginning of a new millennium brings the first ever APIMONDIA Congress in Africa. The organisation of this world Congress in South Africa offers great opportunities for people from all over the world to participate. With excellent connections to South America, South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand, and regular flights to Europe and North America it is guaranteed that this will be a truly global Congress. South Africa has so much to offer the beekeeping world: To see African bees in their natural environment, the Cape-bee with its special features, and imported bee-races too. Large scale utilisation of bees for pollination and increasing honey production, showing the development from the original "honey hunting" to large scale technology, with related operations adapting to the rapid changes necessary in today's world. The Congress will be for everyone involved in beekeeping: the scientist, the professional beekeeper, the honey trader, the development worker and the hobby-beekeeper. In addition to these professional activities everybody will also have the chance to experience the great tourist opportunities of South Africa. Se the "big five" in their natural environment. I had the experience last month when I was there to organise the congress. I felt humble to face an elephant that close. Durban is in the KwaZulu-Natal province. The Zulus are proud people with a rich culture, that they will present to us. The Scientific programme will be developed by co-operation between scientists of the South African Organising Committee and the Standing Commissions of APIMONDIA, to ensure that we make a world Congress that reflects the special values of South African scientific development. In the Congress Plenary Sessions, selected keynote speakers will review scientific developments for the beekeepers as well as for fellow scientists. Genetically modified crops as bee forage, varroa and the African Bee races, Effects of trade in bees on the spread of pests and diseases, appropriate-technology for professionals and hobby-beekeepers and Honey and its use in self-medication are just a few of the headlines of the programme. At the Plenary sessions all lectures will be translated into English, German, French and Spanish. Seminars and Workshops will allow the scientists to also have smaller, specialist meetings. APIEXPO will feature displays by exhibitors from all over the world. Companies interested in making business in Africa, South America, South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand will find the South African Congress very attractive. An important aim of APIMONDIA'S Congresses is to create links between people involved in the beekeeping world. It has always been a definite goal of APIMONDIA to create friendships between people. Receptions, folklore and entertainment will be an integral part of the Congress to ensure that people have good opportunities to meet. The South African people are well know for the hospitality and excellent wines. I have been asked about security problems in South Africa. When I was there last month I did not feel any discomfort. The congress centre in Durban has recently hosted the worlds AIDS-conference with 11.000 participants without any problems. I look forward to meeting you in South Africa at APIMONDIA 2001. What is APIMONDIA APMONDIA is a world organisation of Beekeepers Associations. We work to create links between everybody involved in the Beekeeping world. We want to facilitate exchange of information and discussion of new ideas. We want to provide beekeepers, researchers and others involved in Beekeeping with the latest information. We want to promote apicultural scientific, technical and economical development in all countries and the fraternal co-operation of beekeepers associations, scientists and of individual beekeepers all over the world. We want to put into practice every initiative which can contribute efficiently to improving beekeeping practice and which can contribute to make Beekeeping profitable. APIMONDIA is 103 years old. It was started with the first congress in Brussels in 1897. APIMONDIA is thus one of the oldest NGOs in the world. We have 54 national beekeepers associations as members. With contacts to many beekeeping journals we represent 5-6 million beekeepers around the world. The biannual congress is the main meeting point for the beekeepers. The Federation has its general Assembly at the congress. At the congress you will have the chance to meet the members of the APIMONDIA Executive Council to discuss directly with them about your problems. Asger Søgaard Jørgensen President of APIMONDIA Møllevej 15 DK 4140 Borup Denmark www.apimondia.org www.apimondia2001.com For more information about the congress and the 2. announcment APIMONDIA2001 Conference Planners P.O.Box 82 / 66 Queen Street IRENE 0062 South Africa Tel. +27 (0) 12 667-3681 FAX + 27 (0) 12 667-3680 e-mail: confplan@iafrica.com In French, Spanish or German Apimondia-Bucharest IITEA Bul. Ficusului 42 A R-71544 Bucharest 1 Romania Tel: +40 1 232 0921 FAX +40 1 232 3487 e-mail: apimondia@itcnet.ro APIMONDIA- General Secretariat Riccardo Jannoni-Sebastianini Corso Vittorio Emanuele II, 101 I-00186 Roma RM Italy Tel: + 3906 685 2286 Fax: +39 06 685 2286 e-mail: apimondia@mclink.it Article 27320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:01:27 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8skvi7$hok$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-4-138.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27320 How this correspondence cheers me up! I was so-o-o-o fed up this past Spring when I discovered that one of my hives had been completely destroyed by..................................mice! Clearly there are advantages in living in boring old England. Mind you, I'm wondering whether I can scale down the electric fence idea, just to make sure. Seriously, the whole correspondence has been fascinating - a real insight; and I do hope you manage to sort the problem out. a écrit dans le message news: 8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got > hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are leaving a > little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as bad > as I had initially thought. > > They knocked over the first and second hive and rummaged through the > empty honey supers on top (bees were cleaning after extracting) but they > left the two brood boxes untouched. > > The third hive they took the bottom brood box and carried it about 15 > feet from the hive and cleaned it out. Only broke two frames but licked > the rest of the hive clean, damaging most of the foundation (Duragilt > torn, etc) but leaving the woodenware warp/bent/twisted but > salvageable. The upper brood box was untouched. > > The fourth hive was untouched. > > I picked up the hives, cleaned up the broken comb ,etc. My questions > are > > 1) should I feed the third hive as much sugar water as they can take or > is it to late in the season to start feeding. They have one brood box > full of honey. If so what is the ratio I should use. > > 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what are > my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a motion > detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either I > would appreciate comments. > > 3) Does this sound like a typical bear "attack" I expected more damage > ie broken frames etc. from a bear. A plug for plasticell, all the > duragilt frames that had obvious marks on them were all broken the > plasticell was cleaned of but intact. Time will tell if the bees will > draw it out. > > > Thanks for any info. > > Jeff > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:05:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8slab0$nbf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 18 23:05:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27321 In article <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, td64008@link.com wrote: > Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got > hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are leaving a > little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as bad > as I had initially thought. > > They knocked over the first and second hive and rummaged through the > empty honey supers on top (bees were cleaning after extracting) but they > left the two brood boxes untouched. > > The third hive they took the bottom brood box and carried it about 15 > feet from the hive and cleaned it out. Only broke two frames but licked > the rest of the hive clean, damaging most of the foundation (Duragilt > torn, etc) but leaving the woodenware warp/bent/twisted but > salvageable. The upper brood box was untouched. > > The fourth hive was untouched. > > I picked up the hives, cleaned up the broken comb ,etc. My questions > are > > 1) should I feed the third hive as much sugar water as they can take or > is it to late in the season to start feeding. They have one brood box > full of honey. If so what is the ratio I should use. > > 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what are > my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a motion > detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either I > would appreciate comments. > > 3) Does this sound like a typical bear "attack" I expected more damage > ie broken frames etc. from a bear. A plug for plasticell, all the > duragilt frames that had obvious marks on them were all broken the > plasticell was cleaned of but intact. Time will tell if the bees will > draw it out. > > Thanks for any info. > > Jeff > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > (cover your eyes if you are anti-hunting)A good solution since its hunting season in a lot of places is a good pack of bear hounds.More fun than a barrel of monkeys! -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1031.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:03:07 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> <20001017212127.04442.00000082@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1031.nts-online.net (216.167.136.140) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 971917388 22064217 216.167.136.140 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27322 >you take other country's to court to make them accept your exports( which are >amonst the most heavily subsidised in the world > >then you take us to court to keep our product out of your country, which is now a >good place for us to sell because you have slaughtered our currency Welcome to a taste of global capitalism and the WTO..If you think those protesters in Seattle were a bunch of weirdos think again, they were just ahead of their time. You can bet the next WTO meetings will be in some place there won't be any protest, say China, or Indonesia maybe. Fight back, develop local markets. Fuck the WTO. C.K. Article 27323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood supers, Reverse or Leave????? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:22:46 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39EE4CE6.340CE83A@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7nsG5.336222$Gh.9983018@news20.bellglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27323 Leave them alone. Kent Eastern Ontario Article 27324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: concrete top bar hives Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 2000 01:31:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20001018213117.19936.00000290@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27324 Anybody use concrete hives of top bar design ?.I think they would be predator resistant. Al Article 27325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 19 Oct 2000 02:04:18 GMT References: <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20001018220418.25588.00000191@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27325 >you blokes aren't too bad > >you take other country's to court to make them accept your exports( which are >amonst the most heavily subsidised in the world > >then you take us to court to keep our product out of your country, which is >now a >good place for us to sell because you have slaughtered our currency > >Barry Metz >Australia > Well Mr. Metz the lawsuit basically only affects those exporters who try to pass adultrated honey into the US. Are you one of those? Then it probably doesn't affect you. Secondly they are trying to make imported honey more competitive with local pricing. Who can compete with honey thats .20 a pound cheaper when its already selling under .48 a pound. I suppose you can now tell me how good a living you can make at .48 a pound. Lets sit down with your books and see how much profit you've at that rate. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001018213117.19936.00000290@ng-ck1.aol.com> Subject: Re: concrete top bar hives Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:46:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 971923567 24.13.215.128 (Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:46:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:46:07 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27326 Sounds interesting, and heavy... -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot Jajwuth wrote in message news:20001018213117.19936.00000290@ng-ck1.aol.com... > Anybody use concrete hives of top bar design ?.I think they would be predator > resistant. > Al Article 27327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:43:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8slu4p$6s7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39ece79c.340796312@news1.radix.net> <20001017212127.04442.00000082@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.132 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 19 04:43:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.132 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27327 In article <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au>, Barry Metz wrote: > you blokes aren't too bad > > you take other country's to court to make them accept your exports( which are > amonst the most heavily subsidised in the world > > then you take us to court to keep our product out of your country, > > If Im not mistaken,the anti-dumping suit only specifies China and Argentina,not Australia.Unless you are re-shipping Chinese honey I dont see where you have a problem.On the other hand we have a hell of a problem with millions of pounds of honey brought in for less than our break even point.You really should make an effort to develop your home market.We would all be better off. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:48:35 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 71 Message-ID: <8slue90l6u@enews3.newsguy.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8slab0$nbf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27328 Hey, Loggermike, What kind of fun do you have with a barrel of monkeys ??? Gene loggermike wrote in message <8slab0$nbf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > td64008@link.com wrote: >> Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got >> hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are >leaving a >> little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as >bad >> as I had initially thought. >> >> They knocked over the first and second hive and rummaged through the >> empty honey supers on top (bees were cleaning after extracting) but >they >> left the two brood boxes untouched. >> >> The third hive they took the bottom brood box and carried it about 15 >> feet from the hive and cleaned it out. Only broke two frames but >licked >> the rest of the hive clean, damaging most of the foundation (Duragilt >> torn, etc) but leaving the woodenware warp/bent/twisted but >> salvageable. The upper brood box was untouched. >> >> The fourth hive was untouched. >> >> I picked up the hives, cleaned up the broken comb ,etc. My questions >> are >> >> 1) should I feed the third hive as much sugar water as they can take >or >> is it to late in the season to start feeding. They have one brood box >> full of honey. If so what is the ratio I should use. >> >> 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what >are >> my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a >motion >> detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either >I >> would appreciate comments. >> >> 3) Does this sound like a typical bear "attack" I expected more >damage >> ie broken frames etc. from a bear. A plug for plasticell, all the >> duragilt frames that had obvious marks on them were all broken the >> plasticell was cleaned of but intact. Time will tell if the bees will >> draw it out. >> >> Thanks for any info. >> >> Jeff >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. >> > (cover your eyes if you are anti-hunting)A good solution since its >hunting season in a lot of places is a good pack of bear hounds.More >fun than a barrel of monkeys! >-- >loggermike > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 27329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EEB895.2F5074F6@interact.net.au> From: Barry Metz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam References: <39ED7B5C.9D767A37@interact.net.au> <20001018220418.25588.00000191@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:02:14 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 971942510 210.215.13.150 (Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:01:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:01:50 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:01:50 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27329 I take it that is 48 cents US a pound or US$1.056 per Kilogram or Aus$1.9924. At the moment a major packers are quoting buying prices of Aus$1.20-$1.80 so yes I would take the Aus$1.99 per kilogram wholesale Barry Metz Robert Williamson wrote: > >you blokes aren't too bad > > > >you take other country's to court to make them accept your exports( which are > >amonst the most heavily subsidised in the world > > > >then you take us to court to keep our product out of your country, which is > >now a > >good place for us to sell because you have slaughtered our currency > > > >Barry Metz > >Australia > > > Well Mr. Metz the lawsuit basically only affects those exporters who try to > pass adultrated honey into the US. Are you one of those? Then it probably > doesn't affect you. Secondly they are trying to make imported honey more > competitive with local pricing. Who can compete with honey thats .20 a pound > cheaper when its already selling under .48 a pound. I suppose you can now tell > me how good a living you can make at .48 a pound. Lets sit down with your > books and see how much profit you've at that rate. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood supers, Reverse or Leave????? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:36:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8smpsp$rfl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nsG5.336222$Gh.9983018@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.17.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 19 12:36:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.17.15 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27330 Here in Maine, I was told that you only reverse brood chambers (supers) in the spring because the hive cluster (and the queen) will have gathered in the upper chamber to conserve heat during the winter. By reversing the hive boxes, you have placed the queen back into the lower hive box so that she will start to lay eggs in the bottom super and then work her way up. Right now, your queen is not laying any eggs, so it doesn't matter which box she is in, besides, if you do reverse the super, the entire colony will only crawl up to the upper chamber anyway. My answer here is a bit longer than Kent's, but we agree. Good Luck Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:49:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8smu55$v3s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8slab0$nbf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8slue90l6u@enews3.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 19 13:49:28 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.135 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27331 > jest a figger o speech us rednecks use > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:48:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8smu47$v3h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8slab0$nbf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8slue90l6u@enews3.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 19 13:48:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.135 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27332 > jest a figger o speech us rednecks use > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: An Hes monthly newsletter Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:01:49 -0400 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.100 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.100 Message-ID: <39eefdac_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 19 Oct 2000 09:57:00 -0500, 64.208.64.100 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27333 Greetings! The below link will connect you to the "An Hes" monthly newsletter of the West Cornwall Beekeepers Association . http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/reports.html Topics:Processing Propolis ,bee venom,bee bites,EFB responds to patties?,Leg-biting studies,Further on EFB,Cell size, Wish to have your club/aasoc. newsletter published on our web site? Let us know and we will bee more than happy to do so. -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 27334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!not-for-mail From: "lorraine" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Australian Beekeepers Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:04:48 +0800 Organization: Interpacket Group Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8smh1b$sb6$1@news.interpacket.net> References: <39c6f702@nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-112.amitar.com.au X-Trace: news.interpacket.net 971949931 29030 203.57.242.112 (19 Oct 2000 10:05:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.interpacket.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Oct 2000 10:05:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27334 i am not a beekeeper but my husband is just getting into beekeeping we are in w.a lorraine "David Moncrieff" wrote in message news:gchG5.39185$O7.480759@ozemail.com.au... > G'day - what is on your mind? > blokey wrote in message <39c6f702@nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au>... > >Good Morning > >Any Aussies out there > >Andrew > > > > > Article 27335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear attack - part two Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:30:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.146.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 19 19:30:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {LMFS - Owego} (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.91.146.35 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27335 The bear got me again last night, this time taking out only two of the hives. One still remains untouched. We (my father and I) are going to close them up and move them about five miles up the road to his house until we can install an electric fence. I would guess the intruder to be one/all of a family of black bears that have been seen in the area. I plan on starting the first hot wire low to the ground (6") to dissuade any wandering skunks and with any luck some of my cats, but not sure how high it should go, maybe 40"? Since I am not close to electricity I am going to use a solar powered charger, rated for 15 miles (not sure of Joules yet) and alternating hot and ground wires (Thanks Tim) Any additional insights/personal experience would be welcomed. Thanks Jeff Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood supers, Reverse or Leave????? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 2000 19:51:48 GMT References: <8smpsp$rfl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001019155148.04883.00000510@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27336 In the fall you want as much honey in the top as possible. In the spring you keep moving empty brood combs to the top. Tom Article 27337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!newsengine.sol.net!nntp.msen.com!nntp1.savvis.net!feed1.primary.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting out... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:44:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 971991928 216.224.203.172 (Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:45:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:45:28 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27337 How many hives should I start with my first year? How big should they big? Brood chamber? Honey chamber? Deep or shallow supers? How many supers? I need to buy/build my supers and I need to know how many. Thanks. -- Taylor Article 27338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!celynnen.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Dick Thompson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Storing honey frames in the UK Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:51:05 +0100 Message-ID: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 971995916 nnrp-02:11380 NO-IDENT celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27338 Several years ago, following advice in a Bee-Keeping book, I bought some Paradichlorobenzine crystals from a local chemist. In 1999 I finished the last of the crystals. I enquired with several chemists recently and was told that under recent legislation they can no longer sell it. So I have two questions: (i) (For anyone to answer) What is the current thinking on PDB? Is there anything as effective and less potentially harmful? (ii) (For people in the UK) Where can I get PDB (or a substitute) from? Article 27339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0700.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: concrete top bar hives Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:47:32 -0500 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <0buuusc58evgrpp5hca0p22m6v4taa2ujn@4ax.com> References: <20001018213117.19936.00000290@ng-ck1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0700.nts-online.net (216.167.135.64) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 971995656 22050311 216.167.135.64 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27339 I use concrete tops they weigh about 35 pounds (16kg) very effective against violent thunderstorms and lower category tornadoes. C.K. Article 27340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0700.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting out... Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:59:00 -0500 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0700.nts-online.net (216.167.135.64) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 971996344 19177590 216.167.135.64 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27340 >How many hives should I start with my first year? two is good. > Brood chamber? yes, one for each hive, if they fill that up add another >Honey chamber? don't worry about that. >Deep or >shallow supers? depends how strong you are, and what kind of bee country you live in. If you have lots of nectar all summer, better go with the larger frames. Smaller frames are studier and easier to work with. >I need to know how many. start with two, after your bees have filled up the two brood chambers respectively, add supers with foundation during good nectar flows, if the super is about to be filled up, add another. Another thing if your one super is full of sealed comb, take it off and extract the honey, then put the empty super back on for a refill. good luck. C.K. Article 27341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting out... Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:57:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8socba$6m1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.97.121.208 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 20 02:57:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.97.121.208 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27341 I think Charlie is basically right on target. The only possible change that I would consider is the area where you plan on starting these hives. A while back I gave very similar advice to a person with the same question. Unfortunately, it was on this very forum and I was quickly flamed (nastily contradicted and shown to be a fool). I don't want to do the same thing here. The only change that I would ask about regards the difference of north and south of the U.S. If you are in the south, I have been told that beekeepers usually over-winter colonies with only one brood chamber, while here in the north, Charlie is right and we usually use 2 brood chambers. For the beginner, I would suggest that you contact a local beekeeper and find out what they do. Also, you could contact your state/local agricultural department and talk with your state bee inspector. These people are absolutely fantastic. They have an incredible wealth of knowledge and are a very good information source for the beginner and experienced beekeeper alike. Good Luck Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *$#@%^* formic acid packets Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 2000 20:59:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001019165919.21676.00000522@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27342 Well they seem to work but the damn things fall apart when it's time to remove them and spill the white stuff from inside all down between the frames. Maybe the next iteration won't leak in shipment and will stay together when it is time to remove them, otherwise they will have to go in a sock or mesh bag. Or the homosote and ziplock routine. Tom Article 27343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: West Nile Virus Spraying!? Date: 19 Oct 2000 19:53:43 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8so1i7$o9j$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <39EBC10B.503351A6@erols.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27343 In article <39EBC10B.503351A6@erols.com>, Rebecca Davis wrote: >Hi. They are spraying for mosquitos here to stem the West Nile Virus. >I understand they will spray tonight in selected parts of Montgomery >County, Maryland. Does anyone know how this will affect my bees? I am >slightly outside the designated spray area, but am concerned. > The Spray is for a different order of insect pest then the Honey Bee. Shouldn't be a probem for your bees. Read md.general and dc.general for more on this topic including some fine flaming. ;) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 27344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: concrete top bar hives Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:58:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8son40$lvh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20001018213117.19936.00000290@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-234.vanadium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 972021696 22513 62.136.22.234 (20 Oct 2000 06:01:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 2000 06:01:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27344 I have seen pictures of hives made of bricks - can't remember where. "Jajwuth" wrote in message news:20001018213117.19936.00000290@ng-ck1.aol.com... > Anybody use concrete hives of top bar design ?.I think they would be predator > resistant. > Al Article 27345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing honey frames in the UK Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:06:31 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8soncl$t05$2@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-27-90.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27345 Dear Dick I I'm still very much of a beginner, so claim no real knowledge. I'm in Rast Midlands (Lincolnshire) and all my stored frames were ruined by wax moth last year, so I needed PDB crystals this year. You're right: retail chemists like Boots and so on (from whom I'm sure I bought some a few years ago) say they don't stock it. It can be obtained very very cheaply from wholesalers like Ellis & Everard in Nottingham - but only in huge quantities (50kg drums, I think.) I had to resort to Thorne's of Wragby who do sell it - but relatively expensively. I haven't got Thornes' address to hand (you probably have it already), but good provide it if you needed it. Paul "Dick Thompson" a écrit dans le message news: 971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk... > Several years ago, following advice in a Bee-Keeping book, I bought some > Paradichlorobenzine crystals from a local chemist. > > In 1999 I finished the last of the crystals. I enquired with several > chemists recently and was told that under recent legislation they can no > longer sell it. > > So I have two questions: > (i) (For anyone to answer) What is the current thinking on PDB? Is there > anything as effective and less potentially harmful? > > (ii) (For people in the UK) Where can I get PDB (or a substitute) from? > > Article 27346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing honey frames in the UK Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:05:07 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8sonck$t05$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-27-90.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27346 Dear Dick I I'm still very much of a beginner, so claim no real knowledge. I'm in Rast Midlands (Lincolnshire) and all my stored frames were ruined by wax moth last year, so I needed PDB crystals this year. You're right: retail chemists like Boots and so on (from whom I'm sure I bought some a few years ago) say they don't stock it. It can be obtained very very cheaply from wholesalers like Ellis & Everard in Nottingham - but only in huge quantities (50kg drums, I think.) I had to resort to Thorne's of Wragby who do sell it - but relatively expensively. I haven't got Thornes' address to hand (you probably have it already), but good provide it if you needed it. Paul "Dick Thompson" a écrit dans le message news: 971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk... > Several years ago, following advice in a Bee-Keeping book, I bought some > Paradichlorobenzine crystals from a local chemist. > > In 1999 I finished the last of the crystals. I enquired with several > chemists recently and was told that under recent legislation they can no > longer sell it. > > So I have two questions: > (i) (For anyone to answer) What is the current thinking on PDB? Is there > anything as effective and less potentially harmful? > > (ii) (For people in the UK) Where can I get PDB (or a substitute) from? > > Article 27347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:04:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8son45$lvh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8skvi7$hok$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-234.vanadium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 972021701 22513 62.136.22.234 (20 Oct 2000 06:01:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 2000 06:01:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27347 "Paul.A.Bowden" wrote in message news:8skvi7$hok$1@uranium.btinternet.com... > How this correspondence cheers me up! I was so-o-o-o fed up this past > Spring when I discovered that one of my hives had been completely destroyed > by..................................mice! Clearly there are advantages in > living in boring old England --------------------------------------------------- Not so bothered about mice, but I have had an apiary virtually destroyed by rats. The damage has to be seen to be believed - all frames shredded into matchwood, lumps chewed out of the brood boxes and the front of the floor chewed away completely. Any sign of gnawing on the corners of the brood boxes at ground level and I would suggest urgent action with bait and/or traps. Article 27348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis-solution? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 2000 07:45:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001020034555.10531.00000532@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27348 That's also (pissing) the Hawaiian solution to jelly fish attacks (if you've never had one--they hurt like hell, leave streaks and scars). Article 27349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:57:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8spmgj$70j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8skvi7$hok$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <8son45$lvh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 20 14:57:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27349 > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Not so bothered about mice, but I have had an apiary virtually destroyed by > rats. > Here in N. CAL. mtns. ground squirrels eat our plywood lids and boxes(exterior plywood).I suspect its the glue they like as they never eat holes in our solid wood. The original subject here was bear attacks,and in our experience building an electric fence IS an effective preventative.This was answered very well in this thread.I would just add that 24 years of experience using electric fences in bear country favors the 4 hot wire design with a chicken wire ground.This is dry country and getting a good ground is important. > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39F05D80.6D5EA6DC@zylay.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:58:08 -0400 From: Gene X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis-solution? References: <20001020034555.10531.00000532@ng-fh1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.143.240.121 X-Trace: 20 Oct 2000 11:03:04 -0400, 205.143.240.121 Lines: 7 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!newsfeed.mia!news.hcs.net!205.143.240.121 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27350 LKLarson1 wrote: > > That's also (pissing) the Hawaiian solution to jelly fish attacks (if you've > never had one--they hurt like hell, leave streaks and scars). And everyone in WW1 pissed on their gas-mask filters to keep out the bad stuff. Article 27351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39F062E9.4FCDF4F4@zylay.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:21:13 -0400 From: Gene X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner's Question References: <39EC78FD.7FF30FD2@yahoo.com> <8si4os$35r$1@news.jump.net> <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8sk38p$jr8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.143.240.121 X-Trace: 20 Oct 2000 11:26:08 -0400, 205.143.240.121 Lines: 27 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!newsfeed.mia!news.hcs.net!205.143.240.121 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27351 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <8sj091$pfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com wrote: > >... Also, the state agricultural > > department would be able to tell you the phone number and name of your > > state bee inspector (if your state has one, probably does). Here in > > Maine, our bee inspector has been outstanding whenever I have had > > questions or problems. He also will come to your hives to help you > with inspections, diseases, pests, etc.. Don't be afraid to contact > them - they are a great resource!! > > Good point, Paul. Here in Florida there are state bee inspectors in > several regions. We are fortunate in that ours only lives about 45 > miles away and he has been a big help. He is also a member of the local > beekeeping association so he knows who the members are and when they > meet. Maybe Taylor will get lucky and find one close by. > > Herb > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. I saw in an earlier post that you lived in NW FL. If my job in Marianna comes through, we're about to move from Tallahassee to Chipley and was wondering if you knew anyone in that area to talk to about beekeeping and getting started for my kids and I. Article 27352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:29:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8spoc3$8km$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 20 15:29:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27352 We had some bear damage recently in a yard with no fence.It had never had problems before.We felt that the damage from just 2 nights was so severe that a fence would not stop the problem so we moved them.As we were driving out with the hives we met a sow with 2 big cubs in the road.They watched us curiously like ,are you delivering dinner? Next year there will be a fence in place.Sorry if this posts twice,Im having Modem problems. > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Julie Subject: Re: Starting out... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e908704.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39F070A2.9C854231@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:19:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27353 I would say to go with only one hive. For a beginner it is a lot of work and going through a hive, looking for queen cups, brood, mites, etc. can be very time consuming. One hive can easily take a beginner 2 hours a week. If you have a life and a family other than beekeeping you may want to limit it to only one hive or you will find yourself overwhelmed. Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > >How many hives should I start with my first year? > > two is good. > > > Brood chamber? > > yes, one for each hive, if they fill that up add another > > >Honey chamber? > > don't worry about that. > > >Deep or > >shallow supers? > > depends how strong you are, and what kind of bee country you live in. If you > have lots of nectar all summer, better go with the larger frames. Smaller > frames are studier and easier to work with. > > >I need to know how many. > > start with two, after your bees have filled up the two brood chambers > respectively, add supers with foundation during good nectar flows, if the > super is about to be filled up, add another. Another thing if your one super > is full of sealed comb, take it off and extract the honey, then put the empty > super back on for a refill. > > good luck. > > C.K. Article 27354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:17:01 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27354 td64008@link.com wrote: : I would guess the intruder to be one/all of a family of black bears that : have been seen in the area. I plan on starting the first hot wire low : to the ground (6") to dissuade any wandering skunks and with any luck : some of my cats, but not sure how high it should go, maybe 40"? Since I : am not close to electricity I am going to use a solar powered charger, : rated for 15 miles (not sure of Joules yet) and alternating hot and : ground wires (Thanks Tim) A 40 inch fence should do, since bears aren't much for jumping and a black bear usually holds its head about 2-3 feet off the ground. Incidentally, don't forget to make the gate multi-stranded as well as the rest of the fence, otherwise the gate will be a weak point where the bear can squeeze under. I'm sorry to hear that the bears got you again, hopefully things will be under control pretty soon. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 27355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> <39F070A2.9C854231@NOTaol.com> Subject: Re: Starting out... Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:18:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 972065893 12.72.48.52 (Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:18:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:18:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27355 If there were 101 effective ways to manage a colony and keep it alive, one will never get to use 100 of them with only 1 colony. IMO, the most difficult way to keep bees with the least opportunity for learning is to have only 1 colony. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Julie" wrote in message news:39F070A2.9C854231@NOTaol.com... > I would say to go with only one hive. For a beginner it is a lot of > work and going through a hive, looking for queen cups, brood, mites, > etc. can be very time consuming. One hive can easily take a beginner 2 > hours a week. If you have a life and a family other than beekeeping you > may want to limit it to only one hive or you will find yourself > overwhelmed. Article 27356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <43ZG5.57813$bI6.2051573@news1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:41:45 -0700 Lines: 101 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust75.tnt16.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.46.0.75 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!HSNX.atgi.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27356 I'll second this about the 'learning' process some animals seem to need. We acquired a 3 year old filly who had spend her life pushing her fences over the eat the grass on the other side & never met an electric fence. She immediately began pushing over fence posts to get to the hay, etc. when she came here & twice actually went over the pipe panel fences. We knew it was time for her to meet an electric fence before she was hurt. At least once a day for almost a month she'd lean over the fence until she touched the wire, then run & jump around after getting the shock. Funny, she seems so smart in other areas! Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Mark" wrote in message news:43ZG5.57813$bI6.2051573@news1.giganews.com... > Well I don't know much about bears, but I do know a fair amount about > electric fences. The fence is probably your best bet. However, you can't > just put one up and expect it to keep animals (bears or most anything else) > out. A large animal will either run over the fence and not really know > what happened or if shocked through all that fur will take off like a shot - > as luck would have it, usually through your fence. So..., if you want to > avoid lots of repairs, and get the results you're looking for, you have to > educate the animals about the fence. How? You have to make sure they get > shocked and shocked when and where you want them to be zapped. It's not so > hard to do, but you will have to be persistent and patient. First, make the > fence visible with something shiny every few feet so the animal can see that > something's there. Then hang something the animal likes on the fence in > such a way that the animal will surely get zapped. You may have to do this > for some time because some animals are a little slower in the thinking area > and will try it more than once. Don't forget that you will have to educate > each animal. This means keeping the bate on the fence for at least a couple > of weeks. Also, you may run into some smarter than average animals (bears) > that try to go under or over the fence. To avoid this, you would be wise to > make a two or even three wire fence with the bottom wire about 6 or 8 inches > off the ground. The good news is, that once educated, most animals will > stop testing the wire after getting zapped two or three times. Notice I > said most. Some never learn! At some point, you MAY be able to turn off > the juice to the fence. Oh yeah, one more important thing about fences. > The most common reason why they don't have the shocking power you think they > should is that they are not grounded well enough. Look at the information > at the following web site to learn more about setting your fence up and the > different types available. http://www.kencove.com/stafix/contents.htm > > Good luck! > Mark > wrote in message news:8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Ok it finally happened. The local(Near Ithaca, NY) bear(s) got > > hungry, and took out three of my four hives. I guess they are leaving a > > little in the lunch box for a snack later on. The damage was not as bad > > as I had initially thought. > > > > They knocked over the first and second hive and rummaged through the > > empty honey supers on top (bees were cleaning after extracting) but they > > left the two brood boxes untouched. > > > > The third hive they took the bottom brood box and carried it about 15 > > feet from the hive and cleaned it out. Only broke two frames but licked > > the rest of the hive clean, damaging most of the foundation (Duragilt > > torn, etc) but leaving the woodenware warp/bent/twisted but > > salvageable. The upper brood box was untouched. > > > > The fourth hive was untouched. > > > > I picked up the hives, cleaned up the broken comb ,etc. My questions > > are > > > > 1) should I feed the third hive as much sugar water as they can take or > > is it to late in the season to start feeding. They have one brood box > > full of honey. If so what is the ratio I should use. > > > > 2) What do I do know, those of you that have been through this, what are > > my options. I am considering a solar powered electric fence or a motion > > detector that make lots of noise. Anyone with experience with either I > > would appreciate comments. > > > > 3) Does this sound like a typical bear "attack" I expected more damage > > ie broken frames etc. from a bear. A plug for plasticell, all the > > duragilt frames that had obvious marks on them were all broken the > > plasticell was cleaned of but intact. Time will tell if the bees will > > draw it out. > > > > > > Thanks for any info. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Article 27357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting out... Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 2000 20:37:21 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001020163721.05962.00000214@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27357 2 colonies for a beginner is the way to go. It gives you some comparison and it allows you to recover from mistakes such as going queenless. Tom Article 27358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: .65 honey Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 20 Oct 2000 20:09:22 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20001020160922.02941.00000293@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27358 Hey guys...I did some checking and there is a bill before Congress to basically reinstate the honey subsidy and if it passes it will be retroactive to this year. You will have to put you honey up on loan for .65 but only have to pay back at what you sell it for. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Sonia Coté" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis-solution? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:21:58 -0400 Organization: PubNIX Inc (http://www.pubnix.net) Message-ID: <972084250.8869@news1.pubnix.net> References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news1.pubnix.net!unknown@ppp13.arobas.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27359 HI ethylic alcohol will do to dissolve propolis ... Russians probably used Vodka :-) even better if you can get 70% or higher alcohol level Eric Lecorney STIG HANSSON a écrit dans le message ... >Hi all! >Has anyone got a recipe for a propolis solution? I heard that the Russian >army used propolis solutioon for disinfecting wounds during the 2nd World >War. I wonder what on earth could be used to solute that stuff? ; ) >Thanks! >Doris > > Article 27360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting out... Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:39:04 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8spi5i$a68$1@news.jump.net> References: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 972049394 10440 207.8.9.139 (20 Oct 2000 13:43:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27360 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:ajuuuskan3ggrc9rlmprkgkrb0kjnmnffn@4ax.com... > >How many hives should I start with my first year? > > two is good. -- three is better ... I've been told (and agree) by many beekeepers that three is a good number to have. Because each colony will have its own personallity, three gives a better cross-section. Also, with three, it is easier to compare strengths of colonies and have the extra bees with which to strengthen weak ones. > > > Brood chamber? > > yes, one for each hive, if they fill that up add another -- For planning purposes, I would have 2 per hive available > > >Honey chamber? > > don't worry about that. > > >Deep or > >shallow supers? -- As stated below, it depends on how much of a honey flow you have in your area. In my area (central texas), I plan to have at least 2 medium supers per hive available. Some are likely to use more and some less, but having 2 each available, I should be prepared. (I know in some areas, where there is huge amounts of forage, 5-8 supers might not be uncommon!) If it is found that the bees fill these supers quickly, and I am short supers, then I will have to extract the full ones and replace them for refilling. > > depends how strong you are, and what kind of bee country you live in. If you > have lots of nectar all summer, better go with the larger frames. Smaller > frames are studier and easier to work with. > > >I need to know how many. > > start with two, after your bees have filled up the two brood chambers > respectively, add supers with foundation during good nectar flows, if the > super is about to be filled up, add another. Another thing if your one super > is full of sealed comb, take it off and extract the honey, then put the empty > super back on for a refill. > > good luck. > > C.K. > > Article 27361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - what now? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:59:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8spmkq$72a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8shfin$dre$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8skvi7$hok$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <8son45$lvh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 20 14:59:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27361 > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Not so bothered about mice, but I have had an apiary virtually destroyed by > rats. > Here in N. CAL. mtns. ground squirrels eat our plywood lids and boxes(exterior plywood).I suspect its the glue they like as they never eat holes in our solid wood. The original subject here was bear attacks,and in our experience building an electric fence IS an effective preventative.This was answered very well in this thread.I would just add that 24 years of experience using electric fences in bear country favors the 4 hot wire design with a chicken wire ground.This is dry country and getting a good ground is important. > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Sonia Coté" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for a honey extractor transmission Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:13:31 -0400 Organization: PubNIX Inc (http://www.pubnix.net) Message-ID: <972083756.865575@news1.pubnix.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news1.pubnix.net!unknown@ppp13.arobas.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27362 Hi I have a custom made honey extractor (50 frames / 36 inches in diameter for the inside holding cage with a 1 inch axel). I am looking for a classic transmission (a used one preferably and not too expensive) to replace the belt system that is fitted for the moment. Alternatively, I looking for some plans to build one transmission myself. Could anyone in this group help me? TIA Eric Lecorney Montreal, Qc Article 27363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing honey frames in the UK Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:59:05 +0100 Message-ID: References: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 972083719 nnrp-12:9791 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 42 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27363 In article <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk>, Dick Thompson writes >Several years ago, following advice in a Bee-Keeping book, I bought some >Paradichlorobenzine crystals from a local chemist. > >In 1999 I finished the last of the crystals. I enquired with several >chemists recently and was told that under recent legislation they can no >longer sell it. > >So I have two questions: >(i) (For anyone to answer) What is the current thinking on PDB? Is there >anything as effective and less potentially harmful? Don't use it. Wax soaks it up like a sponge. In spite of simple-minded chemistry which says it shouldn't get into honey, it does get out of the wax. >(ii) (For people in the UK) Where can I get PDB (or a substitute) from? I have extracted the following mostly from the article quoted below: *Spray Bacillus thuringiensis (Certan) *Expose to acetic acid vapour (80%) 200ml acid per 100 litres - stack of 3 hives - the acid set above them in a small tray or plastic lid and all sealed (parcel tape). It kills eggs and adults instantly but takes a longer time to kill larvae and pupae. Do not breathe fumes or allow contact with the skin. *Formic acid as above (65%) (greater care needed in use as much more dangerous to the beekeeper) *PDCB is not recommended now at all. It can kill colonies. It is ineffective against eggs. It gets into wax and honey. *Burning sulphur - produces sulphur dioxide, a well known disinfectant. It can also be sprayed. Both are very effective against larvae and pupae only. I have not come across this practice in the UK. You can freeze frames if you can manage it - the article gives times but in deep freeze it's not long - just a couple of hours to get everything frozen will be fine. Then using Certan gives you insurance against any moths that get in while stacked and lay eggs which then hatch and start eating the wax (they'll die) or when put back on the hives. Read http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/Themes/Bee_diseases.htm#end and go from there to the page on protecting against wax moth damage which you download as a pdf file at http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/pdf/Deseases/Mottenschaeden_e.pdf -- James Kilty Article 27364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:39:35 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8sqobn$1hic$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <25821-39ECB3E1-35@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <11062-39ED93CB-8@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-99.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 972088503 50764 209.130.165.99 (21 Oct 2000 00:35:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Oct 2000 00:35:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27364 I usually check in the www.usda.gov website. I, too, have heard from a reliable source that the bill was on Clinton's desk. The website lists a cotton subsidy (updated 10/19) so hopefully honey can't be far behind. Sure could use the 10 cent LDP...would pay the interest at the bank!!! --Busybee John Partin wrote in message news:11062-39ED93CB-8@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I now have read e-mails from all over the USA that say it is going to > happen. I would like to think all of you that tried to reply to my post > in the way it was posted. If anyone has any "information" on the new > deal I would think you very much to post it. > thanks Bud > Article 27365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0380.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:40:32 -0500 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0380.nts-online.net (216.167.132.125) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 972092485 21754932 216.167.132.125 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27365 Having never had a problem with bears, I was just curious about all the money it seems to take for fences and electric fences to protect a few hives. How about angle iron frames closed with bolts. Steel is pretty cheap where I live, lots of scrap. I guess the bears could 'knaw' on the hives, but they sure couldn't pull them apart. C.K. Article 27366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed.newsreader.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Starting out... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39F060A8.CBF2F14F@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <39EF6B5B.13747F29@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:11:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27366 Taylor Francis wrote:
How big should they big?  Brood chamber?  Honey chamber?  Deep or
shallow supers?  How many supers?
 
 
Even if you eventually decide to go with shallows for your honey supers, I recommend using deeps as supers your first couple years just to get them drawn out. I have found that it is handy to have a couple extra drawn deeps around for hiving swarms, doing splits, etc. 
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  Article 27367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing honey frames in the UK Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:20:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8srhti$6p4$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> <8soncl$t05$2@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-131.antimony.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 972114674 6948 62.136.42.131 (21 Oct 2000 07:51:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Oct 2000 07:51:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27367 "Paul.A.Bowden" wrote in message news:8soncl$t05$2@plutonium.btinternet.com... > I had to resort to Thorne's of Wragby who do sell > it - but relatively expensively. Agree! > I haven't got Thornes' address to hand Wragby, Lincs Why not leave frames and supers on your hives until November - you can then remove and store without any fear of wax moth damage; or find a large spider (usually one in the hive roof somewhere, and put it in the stored boxes - biological control!) Article 27368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8sqobn$1hic$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRFmMBBTbb5PXJlIm849khJEzHpVgIUFhCQV4YPH2Yn7l93gUnJToLGQPw= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27368 Thanks Busybee this is the kind of info I was looking for. I also here that it will be for the year 00, but if they start it it is hard to stop it. All the other comodites that were kicked out when the honey was kicked has already been given back. Thanks again Bud Article 27369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:51:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8sse1p$a4b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sqobn$1hic$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.167 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 21 15:51:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.167 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27369 In article <5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: > Thanks Busybee this is the kind of info I was looking for. > I also here that it will be for the year 00, but if they start it it > is hard to stop it. All the other comodites that were kicked out when > the honey was kicked has already been given back. > Thanks again > Bud > > Are you saying the rumor is that they will re-instate the former program?Thats hard to beleive since they made out the loan program as the boogyman of them all(when it really was just a tiny part) But it would be great if true.The honey producers are about to go down the drain in good ol USA.John,I would appreciate hearing anything else you might find out.It seems that would also kill the anti-dumping suit? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:50:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8sse0c$a45$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sqobn$1hic$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.167 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 21 15:50:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.167 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27370 In article <5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: > Thanks Busybee this is the kind of info I was looking for. > I also here that it will be for the year 00, but if they start it it > is hard to stop it. All the other comodites that were kicked out when > the honey was kicked has already been given back. > Thanks again > Bud > > Are you saying the rumor is that they will re-instate the former program?Thats hard to beleive since they made out the loan program as the boogyman of them all(when it really was just a tiny part) But it would be great if true.The honey producers are about to go down the drain in good ol USA.John,I would appreciate hearing anything else you might find out.It seems that would also kill the anti-dumping suit? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: .65 honey Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:33:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20001020160922.02941.00000293@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27371 for more on usa honey political economics, see the ahpa's website at: http://www.americanhoneyproducers.org/ Article 27372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strong smell Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyFVXrmYu2SLEojUpMYgEfTuQYo4CFGxqlxmMEaeQBEEC4+W+xYhzzo2/ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27372 We have four hives close together and another one in our yard and the four had a strong odor before the last one did. I visited our other bee yard today and noticed a similar smell coming from them. We have been told by other beekeepers that the bees collect something that causes them to have a strong smell this time of year. Could anyone tell me what they are collecting that could cause a sour smell around northeast Georgia? Thanks You're welcome to visit my website at http://community.webtv.net/pambs/BSHONEY. Article 27373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong smell Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:16:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8sulio$ebc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 972216728 14700 209.130.165.48 (22 Oct 2000 12:12:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 2000 12:12:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27373 Foulbrood? wrote in message news:6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > We have four hives close together and another one in our yard and the > four had a strong odor before the last one did. I visited our other bee > yard today and noticed a similar smell coming from them. We have been > told by other beekeepers that the bees collect something that causes > them to have a strong smell this time of year. Could anyone tell me what > they are collecting that could cause a sour smell around northeast > Georgia? Thanks > > You're welcome to visit my website at > http://community.webtv.net/pambs/BSHONEY. > Article 27374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong smell Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:28:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <39f2eb49.315568295@news1.radix.net> References: <6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27374 On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:57:32 -0400 (EDT), pambs@webtv.net wrote: >We have four hives close together and another one in our yard and the >four had a strong odor before the last one did. I visited our other bee >yard today and noticed a similar smell coming from them. We have been >told by other beekeepers that the bees collect something that causes >them to have a strong smell this time of year. Could anyone tell me what >they are collecting that could cause a sour smell around northeast >Georgia? Thanks > >You're welcome to visit my website at >http://community.webtv.net/pambs/BSHONEY. > ASTERS. It's that time of year again. beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8t2ukg$9l3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: How late can supers? Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:02:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 972439336 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:02:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:02:16 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27375 I am not very active on this newsgroup, but lurk mostly reading very interesting stuff, with the occasional post once ever other month or so. So let me give you a little background. I have 3 hives, I have always had 3 hives since I was about 13 years old. My aunt and uncle bought me a hive for christmas that year and I have been keeping the girls ever since. I have kept bees in Connecticut for 3 years, NJ for 8 and now in Florida or the last 5 or 6 years. My practices have not changed really in the 16 years I have been a hobbyist. Why 3? Its not for production purposes, I get much more honey than I wish, but it started out that way so that I would always have a hive or two if I had a bad winter or something catastrophic happened. I could split a hive, or combine the two weaker ones when necessary. I wouldn't put a super on now, unless it was a very short one. You also will probably not want to harvest anything stored there... Is you present super truly full? If there are even <10% uncapped cells I would leave it alone and not increase the amount of space the bees need to heat over the winter. The new super is not going to be even 25% utilized in this short time and we are still in drought. I personally use two brood chambers for the hive body and always leave them both for the bees regardless of potential harvest...I only disturb the brood chambers twice a year (mid-spring and end of summer) to inspect for even effecient comb use, or when something appears amis. This use of the additional brood chamber gives the bees plenty of honey stores for winter, plus it provides a buffer zone between the brood chamber and the harvested supers. Thus I never have needed an excluder to keep the queen from laying in my harvest supers, the honey from which I use for comb honey gifts and mead making. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot David wrote in message news:8t2ukg$9l3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > Hello All > I am new to bee keeping. Starting out this year with one hive. I am located > in middle Georgia in a wooded area. > The bees did not seem to be collecting much during June/July/August time, we > were in a severe drought and nothing was blooming. September and October > have been better and I have noticed the bees collecting pollen and they have > almost filled the super, about one and a half frames left to fill. > Should I add a super this late in the year? Also should I use the queen > excluder? When I used the excluder earlier in the season they did not > anything in the empty super. When I removed the excluder the bees still did > nothing in the super, little or no flowers in bloom was probable the reason > for the lack of activity. > > Thank you > David A. > > Article 27376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39F657AB.6B75A0F1@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:36:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 972444984 24.112.111.157 (Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:36:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:36:24 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27376 Speaking not from experience......I have read that you can hang a full sardine can from one of the hot wires, slightly opened to allow the oil to drip. A bear will inevitably be attracted and bite or lick the metal can and get the shock of his/her life. Apparently deters interest in the fence, and in future just the look snd smell of a sardine can will make a bear tremble. Hope this helps, Glen. td64008@link.com wrote: > > The bear got me again last night, this time taking out only two of the > hives. One still remains untouched. We (my father and I) are going to > close them up and move them about five miles up the road to his house > until we can install an electric fence. > > I would guess the intruder to be one/all of a family of black bears that > have been seen in the area. I plan on starting the first hot wire low > to the ground (6") to dissuade any wandering skunks and with any luck > some of my cats, but not sure how high it should go, maybe 40"? Since I > am not close to electricity I am going to use a solar powered charger, > rated for 15 miles (not sure of Joules yet) and alternating hot and > ground wires (Thanks Tim) > > Any additional insights/personal experience would be welcomed. > > Thanks > > Jeff > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:08:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.215.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 972439727 24.13.215.128 (Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:08:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:08:47 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27377 Speaking of the healing properties of honey...It is one of the main ingredients in hyppocras and methylglin Hyppocras is named after the "Father of Modern Medicine" Hyppocrates. Methylglyn is the etymological source of the word Medicine Both are fermented drink made principaly from honey...Meth has herbs and spices in it, and hyppo is made with wine grapes. They were both made by Hyppocrates for medicinal purposes. -- -Scot Mc Pherson -Ummm....Just Scot wrote in message news:8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net>, > Bill Truesdell wrote: > > "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > > > > > If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a > centrifugal > > > extractor is not economical. In order to get liquid honey to put in > jars with > > > my comb, I use the microwave and find that works very well....<< > > Bill Truesdale answered: > > > > If you are going to sell the honey you are short changing your > customers > > since the honey will not be the best.... > > Wow!!! Not only will it not be the best, it will be the worst! > > Honey is a natural food, and has many healing or therapeutic > properties. It is anti-bacterial because honey has a low pH, small > amounts of water, fats and proteins, and generally poor "living > conditions" for bacteria. Bioflavonoids in honey are directly > antibacterial and many of the honey's some 43 enzymes are antibacterial > and antibiotic. Honey has been used to treat burns and other wounds as > well as to ward off allergies. Honey is truly an extraordinary product > with multiple qualities. > However, many of enzymes giving honey its best qualities are > destroyed when honey is heated. Also it will crystalize quicker after > heating so the best extraction procedure is one that uses NO HEAT at > all. > But the worst part of your plan is that microwaves destroy almost > all of the honey's enzymes. All you have left is sweet goo. So, > Jerome, I recommend you slow down and notice the difference when you > get unmolested honey. > > Sincerely, > Herb NW Florida USA > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39F65AEC.127CF0C7@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning decapping plane. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:50:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 972445817 24.112.111.157 (Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:50:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:50:17 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27378 I have a hand-held decapping plane that I purchased used. It was fairly clean to begin with but after using it recently it is covered in black, carbon looking, burnt wax and honey. What is an effective way to clean this thing? Short of sandblasting it, I can't figure it out!!! Thanks, Glen. Article 27379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How late can supers? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:07:46 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8t5i05$nub$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8t2ukg$9l3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.db X-Server-Date: 25 Oct 2000 02:53:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27379 Thank you for the advice Scot. I think there is probable at least 10% of uncapped cells. So I will leave well alone. Thank you. David A. Article 27380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: News from the Central Association of Bee-Keepers Re- Social Evening Message-ID: <972409189@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:39:49 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 972411127 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27380 News from the Central Association of Bee-Keepers Social Evening on Thursday 16th November 2000 at the Wax Chandler's Hall, Cresham Street, London EC2V 7AD. Join us after your day at the National Honey Show for a talk, buffet supper and glass of wine in the splendour of the Livery Hall of the Worshipful Company of Wax Chandlers. Speaker: Nicola Bradbear "Beekeeping, a sustainable view". Tickets £18.00 All welcome but numbers are limited. Early application is advisable. SAE please. Details from CABK Secretary Margaret English 6 Oxford Road Teddington, Middx. TW11 OPZ. Tel: 020 8977 5867 Steven Turner st@zbee.com www.beedata.com www.honeyshow.co.uk www.beefarmers.co.uk ... When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees. Article 27382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.144!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Karyn Plank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to Extract? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:44:31 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.217.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 972326662 63.194.217.119 (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:44:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:44:22 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27382 This is my first year of beekeeping and I have a single hive in my backyard in northern california (San Francisco peninsula). My problem is that I'm not sure when would be the best time for honey extraction. The weather continues to be fairly warm so the bees are still out gathering. I have 3 honey supers on top of the brood chambers. In the topmost honey super, the bees are still stashing away nectar, but only about two frames in that super are fully or nearly fully capped. The bees continue to cap the honey in the remaining frames and store additional honey that will still need to be capped. Should I (1) wait a few more weeks until more of the remaining frames are capped or should I (2) go ahead and extract everything I've got that's capped now and leave the remaing uncapped frames for the bees to picnic on this winter? Is there a possibility that I could wait too long? What would happen? Thanks all you experts. I learn a lot from you. Karyn Article 27383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0301.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cost of bee removal? Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:42:33 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <16516-39EA78BF-40@storefull-257.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0301.nts-online.net (216.167.132.46) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 972236556 22868160 216.167.132.46 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27383 In 1988 I removed more than twenty feet of hive and old comb between 2X8 inch rafters and a 'church' ceiling on a 12 in 12 pitch roof going down both sides of the apex at the Hill Chapel at West Texas A&M university, in Canyon, Texas. I charged them $1200. Besides having to tear the roof apart by removing the shakes and tar paper, cutting through 1 X 8 pine tongue and grove (skill saw) that was the roofing substrate and remove the hive between there and the 2X8 rafters, I had to rebuild the roof. The college laid on a few bundles of special thick cut cedar shakes, but the rest was up to me. I did extract about 5 gallons of honey. I Couldn't find the queen but captured the flyers in a roof top box with some of the old comb, and joined them with a queen rite hive later. I charge $50 to remove common or garden bumblebee nest (at night) and charge nothing to remove swarms or easily acquired hives of honeybees. C.K. Article 27384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong smell Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:14:05 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" References: <6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27384 Does it smell kinda like dirty socks? If so, I had the same thing last year & everyone said it was asters. Rodney in Arab, AL **************************** wrote in message news:6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > We have four hives close together and another one in our yard and the > four had a strong odor before the last one did. I visited our other bee > yard today and noticed a similar smell coming from them. We have been > told by other beekeepers that the bees collect something that causes > them to have a strong smell this time of year. Could anyone tell me what > they are collecting that could cause a sour smell around northeast > Georgia? Thanks > > You're welcome to visit my website at > http://community.webtv.net/pambs/BSHONEY. > Article 27385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39F6A9E6.B63C59E3@clinic.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 05:37:42 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-71.clinic.net X-Trace: 25 Oct 2000 04:34:13 -0400, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-71.clinic.net Lines: 51 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.mv.net!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-71.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27385 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net>, > Bill Truesdell wrote: > > "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > > > > > If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a > centrifugal > > > extractor is not economical. In order to get liquid honey to put in > jars with > > > my comb, I use the microwave and find that works very well....<< > > Bill Truesdale answered: > > > > If you are going to sell the honey you are short changing your > customers > > since the honey will not be the best.... > > Wow!!! Not only will it not be the best, it will be the worst! > > Honey is a natural food, and has many healing or therapeutic > properties. It is anti-bacterial because honey has a low pH, small > amounts of water, fats and proteins, and generally poor "living > conditions" for bacteria. Bioflavonoids in honey are directly > antibacterial and many of the honey's some 43 enzymes are antibacterial > and antibiotic. Honey has been used to treat burns and other wounds as > well as to ward off allergies. Honey is truly an extraordinary product > with multiple qualities. > However, many of enzymes giving honey its best qualities are > destroyed when honey is heated. Also it will crystalize quicker after > heating so the best extraction procedure is one that uses NO HEAT at > all. > But the worst part of your plan is that microwaves destroy almost > all of the honey's enzymes. All you have left is sweet goo. So, > Jerome, I recommend you slow down and notice the difference when you > get unmolested honey. > > Sincerely, > Herb NW Florida USA > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. It is not just microwaves that kill the enzymes. Any heat above 120F, and even below that if stored for a long time will do so just not as efficiently. If you check, there is a lot of "dead" honey out there, not just from microwaves. And I agree on the sweet goo comment. I do not heat my honey at all. Bill Truesdell Article 27386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong smell Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Oct 2000 19:00:56 GMT References: <8sulio$ebc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001022150056.10765.00000740@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27386 Rotting shrimp/old lobster shells suspect a brood disease. Old gym socks is the fall asters. Double check the brood and relax. Tom Article 27387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Daniels" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Joe Latshaw Bees Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:29:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.41 X-Trace: news2.atl 972509360 209.214.198.41 (Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:29:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:29:20 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27387 Someone was telling me about a line of honeybees being developed by Joe Latshaw of Ohio State University in the U.S.A. which are distinct from the New World Carniolan project directed by Sue Cobey at the same institution. Does anyone know of the Latshaw project or have references for his strain of bees? I am particularly interested in the characteristics being sought in the Latshaw strain compared to those of the NWC strain. Thanks, Bill Daniels Article 27388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Oct 2000 19:09:22 GMT References: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Storing honey frames in the UK Message-ID: <20001024150922.13926.00000600@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27388 >Several years ago, following advice in a Bee-Keeping book, I bought some >Paradichlorobenzine crystals from a local chemist. > >In 1999 I finished the last of the crystals. I enquired with several >chemists recently and was told that under recent legislation they can no >longer sell it. > >So I have two questions: >(i) (For anyone to answer) What is the current thinking on PDB? Is there >anything as effective and less potentially harmful? > >(ii) (For people in the UK) Where can I get PDB (or a substitute) from? Try your local Thorne's agent if you're in the UK. The current catalogue has PDB in quantities from 250g-25kg. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong smell Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:42:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8svjer$i06$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sulio$ebc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20001022150056.10765.00000740@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 22 20:42:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27389 In article <20001022150056.10765.00000740@ng-fl1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Rotting shrimp/old lobster shells suspect a brood disease. > Old gym socks is the fall asters. > Double check the brood and relax. > > Tom > > Here in the far west USA there is a strong smell of sour socks when bees are gathering from rabbitbrush,our last blooming plant of the year. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!feed1.primary.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39F354B8.7682D625@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More beginner's questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:57:28 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 972248256 216.224.203.44 (Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:57:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:57:36 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27390 Can someone please explain foundation to me. Is it plastic or wax? What are the wires for? How long does it take bees to make the comb? Does it come in the frame or do you put it in later? Any other info would be nice. Thanks! -- Taylor Article 27391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:58:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8svkdb$il7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 22 20:58:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27391 In article <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > Having never had a problem with bears, I was just curious about all the money > it seems to take for fences and electric fences to protect a few hives. How > about angle iron frames closed with bolts. Steel is pretty cheap where I > live, lots of scrap. > > I guess the bears could 'knaw' on the hives, but they sure couldn't pull them > apart. > > C.K. > Where there is a will there is a way.Bears are unbelievably destructive.The fence costs can be reduced by scrounging old fence wire for the ground,recycling car batteries(car gets a new battery,bear fence gets the old one if still good)We quit using barbed wire and so far have had success with regular smooth electric fence wire.(cheap and easy to work with)Sometimes steel T-posts can be found at farm sales.I know others make cheap posts somehow but dont have details.When all else fails ,find a good recipe for roast bear. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:57:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8svkb3$iks$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 22 20:57:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27392 In article <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > Having never had a problem with bears, I was just curious about all the money > it seems to take for fences and electric fences to protect a few hives. How > about angle iron frames closed with bolts. Steel is pretty cheap where I > live, lots of scrap. > > I guess the bears could 'knaw' on the hives, but they sure couldn't pull them > apart. > > C.K. > Where there is a will there is a way.Bears are unbelievably destructive.The fence costs can be reduced by scrounging old fence wire for the ground,recycling car batteries(car gets a new battery,bear fence gets the old one if still good)We quit using barbed wire and so far have had success with regular smooth electric fence wire.(cheap and easy to work with)Sometimes steel T-posts can be found at farm sales.I know others make cheap posts somehow but dont have details.When all else fails ,find a good recipe for roast bear. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Loan Program Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:19:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8svlkt$jh4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001020160922.02941.00000293@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 22 21:19:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27393 > > Does anyone know where to find the definition of "acceptable containers" and "eligible floral sources" regarding the loan program? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Loan Program Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:20:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8svlmd$jj6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20001020160922.02941.00000293@ng-ce1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 22 21:20:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27394 > > Does anyone know where to find the definition of "acceptable containers" and "eligible floral sources" regarding the loan program? -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Strong smell Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:06:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 972252366 209.212.62.31 (Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:06:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:06:06 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27395 It might smell strange, but it makes fabulous creamed honey! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rodney Isom" wrote in message news:sv64g22s66h5ba@corp.supernews.com... > Does it smell kinda like dirty socks? If so, I had the same thing last year > & everyone said it was asters. > > Rodney in Arab, AL > > **************************** > > wrote in message > news:6620-39F273BC-122@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > > We have four hives close together and another one in our yard and the > > four had a strong odor before the last one did. I visited our other bee > > yard today and noticed a similar smell coming from them. We have been > > told by other beekeepers that the bees collect something that causes > > them to have a strong smell this time of year. Could anyone tell me what > > they are collecting that could cause a sour smell around northeast > > Georgia? Thanks > > > > You're welcome to visit my website at > > http://community.webtv.net/pambs/BSHONEY. > > > > Article 27396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39F354B8.7682D625@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: More beginner's questions... Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:09:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 972252577 209.212.62.31 (Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:09:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:09:37 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27396 A visit to our web site will provide loads of info on 'Foundation' and the best way of getting it drawn out into useable comb. http://www.beeworks.com/Foundation.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:39F354B8.7682D625@yahoo.com... > Can someone please explain foundation to me. > Is it plastic or wax? What are the wires for? How long does it take > bees to make the comb? Does it come in the frame or do you put it in > later? Any other info would be nice. > Thanks! > -- > Taylor Article 27397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: David Watson Subject: Aussie spider eats Italian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Summary: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971215 (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.36 (i686)) Date: 22 Oct 2000 22:21:54 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39f36882$0$24712@echo-01.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.24.144 X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 972253314 24712 xtgc94@203.59.24.144 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27397 Pictures of a big bee-eating spider http://www.gumforest.com/places/spider_lunch.html Article 27398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.tele.dk!195.54.122.112!newsfeed1.bredband.net!bredband!news000.worldonline.se!news-sto.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth damage??? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:47:58 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8t4sjq$pt9$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <39F4DD30.8A5B24D2@necessaaryillsions.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-129-198.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 972420538 26537 212.239.129.198 (24 Oct 2000 20:48:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2000 20:48:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27398 Do pile up the suppers filled with frames. Put an empty supper on top. From there the whole pile is sulphurized. That is a sulphur ribbon is suspended and burned, the same procedure our grandmothers prepared jars for preservation. On the frames below the ribbon you better put a metal try or so, for burning sulphur will drip down. Put a lid on the pile, but protect it from the burning sulphur as well. Leave the pile closed. It will be protected not only from waxmots but from fungi as well as all kinds off misfortune during the whole winter. Succes. Hans Wartena "Francis Miquet" schreef in bericht news:39F4DD30.8A5B24D2@necessaaryillsions.ca... > Hello, > > I have this chronic wax moth problem. Whenever I store supers in my > shed, within no time they get infested with wax-moth larvas. I have > tried using moth balls, making sure they are well ventilated etc. but > they always seem to come back I have lost a least 50 built up frames > this year. > > Anyone have any ideas. > > Thanks > > Francis > Article 27399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Joe Latshaw bees Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:14:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8t9ans$cvt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.169.101.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 26 13:14:42 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.169.101.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27399 Address is http://iris.biosci.ohio- state.edu/honeybee/breeding/nwc.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!feed1.primary.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39F38C90.726A3ED7@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More beginner's questions... References: <39F354B8.7682D625@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:55:44 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 972262555 216.224.203.199 (Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:55:55 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:55:55 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27400 OK, I read the page and I'm still pretty confused. How do you start out, if you are not supposed to put 2 sheets of foundation side by side. That's all I'll have next spring. As far as the wires, I think I need a couple of pictures to see what the page is talking about... Thanks, tho... T Article 27401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 26 Oct 2000 14:03:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972568988 17837 128.173.176.162 (26 Oct 2000 14:03:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 2000 14:03:08 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27401 In article <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu says... > >If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal >extractor is not economical. In order to get liquid honey to put in jars with >my comb, I use the microwave and find that works very well. This is much safer >than a conventional oven as there are no red hot elements to ignite the very >flammable liquid wax. I find that the capped comb from one super frame works >nicely in a pyrex bread loaf pan. Five minutes on high melts it all with the >wax rising to the top. In thirty minutes out of the microwave the wax is solid >and can be lifted out of the pan. Then you have a quart or so of liquid honey. >I have seen posting here that say honey should not be heated. If yhou don't >like my idea what do you prescribe? I have seen messages to cold press the >comb, but that gets no more than half the honey. I have been doing this for >over ten years and have found nothing better. The worst part is the wax >cleanup. There is some fire hazard so I am considering buying a second hand >microwave to use outside on an extension cord. > Thank you for all the responses. Unfortunately, they were exactly what I expected and perhaps in error. 1.) I have not found the heated honey subject to crystallization problems and have kept some for several years without a problem. 2.) I detect no difference in flavor or color of the heated versus unheated honey. 3.) About 50% of what I put in a wide mouth mason jar is filled and capped comb and contains the miraculous and magical biochemical ingredients alleged to be present (but never documented very well) in the unheated honey. 4.) I am not cheating any customers as I do not sell any honey. 5.) I suppose, to be consistent, that those of you who think the heated honey is worthless sweet goo, will refrain from pressure canning produce. I would really like to see some objective documentation of the incredible claims some responders have made for the properties of honey. I am beginning to think that honey snobs are worse than wine snobs. Article 27402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!news.imp.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing honey frames in the UK Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:54:21 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8t4su3$qbg$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-129-198.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 972420867 26992 212.239.129.198 (24 Oct 2000 20:54:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2000 20:54:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27402 PDB is carcinogenic! Do pile up the suppers filled with frames. Put an empty supper on top. From there the whole pile is sulphurized. That is a sulphur ribbon is suspended and burned, the same procedure our grandmothers prepared jars for preservation. On the frames below the ribbon you better put a metal try or so, for burning sulphur will drip down. Put a lid on the pile, but protect it from the burning sulphur as well. Leave the pile closed. It will be protected not only from waxmots but from fungi as well as all kinds off misfortune during the whole winter. Succes, Hans Wartena "Dick Thompson" schreef in bericht news:971995916.11380.0.nnrp-02.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk... > Several years ago, following advice in a Bee-Keeping book, I bought some > Paradichlorobenzine crystals from a local chemist. > > In 1999 I finished the last of the crystals. I enquired with several > chemists recently and was told that under recent legislation they can no > longer sell it. > > So I have two questions: > (i) (For anyone to answer) What is the current thinking on PDB? Is there > anything as effective and less potentially harmful? > > (ii) (For people in the UK) Where can I get PDB (or a substitute) from? > > Article 27403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:14:08 -0400 Organization: IT Dept, Lambton College Lines: 38 Message-ID: <39F84A40.70961ECF@lambton.on.ca> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27403 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > Thank you for all the responses. Unfortunately, they were exactly what I > expected and perhaps in error. 1.) I have not found the heated honey > subject to crystallization problems and have kept some for several years > without a problem. 2.) I detect no difference in flavor or color of the heated > versus unheated honey. perhaps you can't. A lot of people can't tell the difference between avegiburger and a hamburger either. > 3.) About 50% of what I put in a wide mouth mason jar is > filled and capped comb and contains the miraculous and magical biochemical > ingredients alleged to be present (but never documented very well) in the > unheated honey. 4.) I am not cheating any customers as I do not sell any honey. > 5.) I suppose, to be consistent, that those of you who think the heated honey > is worthless sweet goo, will refrain from pressure canning produce. how is the issue of long term preservation of vegetables even remotely related to the issue of proper honey extraction? > I would > really like to see some objective documentation of the incredible claims some > responders have made for the properties of honey. if you look into the 'objective documentation' yourself, you'll find that the advice given you here is established fact speaking with a little more authority than a two hive nuking operation. > I am beginning to think that > honey snobs are worse than wine snobs. if, as you say 'they were exactly what I expected and perhaps in error', and those who discourage honey nuking extraction are by default honey snobs, pray tell, why bother asking? Article 27404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More beginner's questions... Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:20:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8t078k$rb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39F354B8.7682D625@yahoo.com> <39F38C90.726A3ED7@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.145 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 23 02:20:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.145 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27404 In article <39F38C90.726A3ED7@yahoo.com>, Taylor Francis wrote: > OK, I read the page and I'm still pretty confused. How do you start > out, if you are not supposed to put 2 sheets of foundation side by > side. That's all I'll have next spring. > > As far as the wires, I think I need a couple of pictures to see what the > page is talking about... > > Thanks, tho... > T > Hi Taylor.I can still remember scratching my head trying to figure out the hows and whys of beekeeping many years ago.I can tell you that a book like "How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey" by Walter Kelley will help explain these things.You can call the Kelley Co.toll free at 1-800- 233-2899 .The book is listed at 5.00 Also ask for there free catalog.It is an education by itself.Also look for a local beekeeper.Most will take the time to show you exactly what you are trying to figure out.You need to know a lot of things before you start if you are going to succeed. -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: When to Extract? Lines: 82 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <4ToJ5.8386$xJ4.275916@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:24:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.0.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 972429888 12.74.0.218 (Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:24:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:24:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27405 Karen, I grew up in San Rafael and kept bees there for a few years before moving to Sacramento. That was 25 years ago so it has been a while and our climate in the valley is a little different in that your winters are a little milder because of the marine influence. If I leave supers on here the bees will use them through the end of October, but there are a few reasons why this is not a good idea. 1. The latest I want to do a fall Apistan treatment is Oct 1st. 2. They may not pack sufficient stores for the winter in the brood chamber(s) if there is space above. 3. If you have Italians, your queen will not shut down with all this laying space below and you will go into winter with too large a population for the available stores. 4. I want everything extracted and packaged for holiday gift sales. 5. I hate the idea of feeding syrup to prevent starvation. I think you are probably too late for the Apistan. I have found that the middle of Oct. is about the latest and you may have losses even then. Last year a back injury prevented me from harvesting until Oct. 17th and I was about 50/50 on survival on those that were showing signs of PMS. Hopefully you treated in the spring and they can make it through the winter. FWIW, I treat 1/year in the fall. IMO, I would not leave a super with the unfilled frames for them on all winter. Chances are the queen will start to lay there around the 1st of Feb. You will do better to have them consolidate their stores now. I think a good approach would be to remove the supers now and after extracting the capped ones return them along with the partially filled frames above an inner cover and empty super. They will move this down below the inner cover. Scratch any capped cells there may be on the partially filled frames. The good news is that it doesn't take a lot of stores to see them through the winter here (or there). Once the nuts and stone fruits start to bloom in Feb. they will be off and running. If you give them about 1 gal. of 60/40 syrup (water/sugar) around Feb 1st you will see them really take off and you will find yourself buying more supers in the summer. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Karyn Plank" wrote in message news:aG%I5.45$nx2.47019@news.pacbell.net... > This is my first year of beekeeping and I have a single hive in my backyard > in northern california (San Francisco peninsula). My problem is that I'm not > sure when would be the best time for honey extraction. > > The weather continues to be fairly warm so the bees are still out gathering. > I have 3 honey supers on top of the brood chambers. In the topmost honey > super, the bees are still stashing away nectar, but only about two frames in > that super are fully or nearly fully capped. The bees continue to cap the > honey in the remaining frames and store additional honey that will still > need to be capped. > > Should I (1) wait a few more weeks until more of the remaining frames are > capped or should I (2) go ahead and extract everything I've got that's > capped now and leave the remaing uncapped frames for the bees to picnic on > this winter? > > Is there a possibility that I could wait too long? What would happen? > > Thanks all you experts. I learn a lot from you. > > Karyn > > Article 27406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:04:28 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-53.clinic.net X-Trace: 23 Oct 2000 06:01:03 -0400, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-53.clinic.net Lines: 28 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-53.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27406 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal > extractor is not economical. In order to get liquid honey to put in jars with > my comb, I use the microwave and find that works very well. This is much safer > than a conventional oven as there are no red hot elements to ignite the very > flammable liquid wax. I find that the capped comb from one super frame works > nicely in a pyrex bread loaf pan. Five minutes on high melts it all with the > wax rising to the top. In thirty minutes out of the microwave the wax is solid > and can be lifted out of the pan. Then you have a quart or so of liquid honey. > I have seen posting here that say honey should not be heated. If yhou don't > like my idea what do you prescribe? I have seen messages to cold press the > comb, but that gets no more than half the honey. I have been doing this for > over ten years and have found nothing better. The worst part is the wax > cleanup. There is some fire hazard so I am considering buying a second hand > microwave to use outside on an extension cord. If you are going to sell the honey you are short changing your customers since the honey will not be the best. However, it is good for cooking honey. You can also let the cappings drip by putting them in the leg of a pantyhose. Takes a while but works. That will get most of the honey. Then zap the remainder and toss the honey or use it for cooking honey. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 27407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4ToJ5.8386$xJ4.275916@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: When to Extract? Lines: 10 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:52:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.0.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 972431544 12.74.0.218 (Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:52:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:52:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27407 Sorry I butchered your name Karyn! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Article 27408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Oct 2000 11:58:11 GMT References: <8t078k$rb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: More beginner's questions... Message-ID: <20001023075811.08619.00000062@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27408 Even after a few years of keeping bees the Walter Kelley book answered questions that were sitting on hold in the back of my mind. Well worth the 5$ Tom Article 27409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Separation by Microwave Date: 23 Oct 2000 03:20:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad240d.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972271215 742 128.173.36.13 (23 Oct 2000 03:20:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Oct 2000 03:20:15 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27409 If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal extractor is not economical. In order to get liquid honey to put in jars with my comb, I use the microwave and find that works very well. This is much safer than a conventional oven as there are no red hot elements to ignite the very flammable liquid wax. I find that the capped comb from one super frame works nicely in a pyrex bread loaf pan. Five minutes on high melts it all with the wax rising to the top. In thirty minutes out of the microwave the wax is solid and can be lifted out of the pan. Then you have a quart or so of liquid honey. I have seen posting here that say honey should not be heated. If yhou don't like my idea what do you prescribe? I have seen messages to cold press the comb, but that gets no more than half the honey. I have been doing this for over ten years and have found nothing better. The worst part is the wax cleanup. There is some fire hazard so I am considering buying a second hand microwave to use outside on an extension cord. Article 27410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.relcom.ru!news.vrn.ru!not-for-mail From: "Oleg B. Moskalev" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: International agrarian site! Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:46:33 +0400 Organization: éÎÆÏÒÍÓ×ÑÚØ-þÅÒÎÏÚÅÍØÅ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8t9uhp$17f5$1@serv.vrn.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2-d50.vsi.ru X-Trace: serv.vrn.ru 972586361 40421 213.24.137.177 (26 Oct 2000 18:52:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@serv.vrn.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 2000 18:52:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:50121 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27410 sci.agriculture.fruit:3819 sci.agriculture.poultry:26610 sci.agriculture.ratites:1671 Hi! Me call Oleg Moskalev. I the writer of a site Manor on Good! http://www.good.vol.ru/agro/index.html Subjects here represented: the technology Seeds Funguses the Wreckers of Illness the Earth the Toeplitzes Problems Tools Chemistry the Help the Dictionary For future use Calendar of operations of the Struik What to do now? The articles represented scientific and working. But problem - all texts on Russian language. I can make poor-quality translation into the English, German and French languages. If you have knowledge that you could edit these translations. Certainly it is possible to do all free of charge - you see the information is shared. But if you will discover the advertizers that 90 % of the income yours! And still I can place your articles on page of appropriate country. All this is charge-free! If the operation of the editor, journalist or publicist is interesting to you; or if you want to place advertising (page visits 60-100 men per day) site, write! P.S. If for you know other conferences on this subjects - transfer please this message there! If you know that who can by it interest, report to him! Excuse if has abstracted. -- Oleg B. Moskalev Article 27411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "John Martin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Research Grants for bees? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:52:48 -0700 Organization: Uniserve Message-ID: <972586342.463710@neptune.uniserve.ca> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Cache-Post-Path: neptune.uniserve.ca!unknown@hope2d32.dial.uniserve.ca X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27411 Hello We have another venue of products for beekeeps to market and are looking for Research Grants to pursue this objective. At the same time this by-product will help in keeping Bees healthy. Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Sincerely John Martin Hope, B.C., Canada Every Beekeep has it.... 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Article 27413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:36:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8t1ie8$78$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.146.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 23 14:36:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {LMFS - Owego} (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.91.146.35 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27413 In article <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > Having never had a problem with bears, I was just curious about all the money > it seems to take for fences and electric fences to protect a few hives. How > about angle iron frames closed with bolts. Steel is pretty cheap where I > live, lots of scrap. > > I guess the bears could 'knaw' on the hives, but they sure couldn't pull them > apart. > > C.K. > We think that we can squeak out a fence for about $200. or so. It will be money that we probably never recoup (for the most part we give away the honey as gifts) We keep the bees for the enjoyment of getting stung every weekend, so our bottom line is pretty flexible. Of course if the fence doesn't work we may be in trouble as we can't keep sinking money in the hives. Reminds me of the story about the old beekeeper that won the lottery. A reporter ask him what he was going to do with all the money. He replied "I will continue beekeeping until it is gone...." Jeff Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!gxsn.com!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning frames Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:55:54 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.167.111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 972597304 1NNUCNF1GA76FC393C gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27414 I have only been keeping bees over the past couple of years and this year is the first that I have had a reasonable amount of frames to deal with. In one of the books I read it said that the best way to clean excess honey from frames you recently extracted honey from was to place the super above a crown board with the access hole or whatever you call it, open. The bees, feeling that the super was not truly a part of the hive because of its separation, would clean off the frames and take the excess honey below. Whilst this did work on most of the frames they actually began storing honey in the central three frames. Being late in the season I was stuck so I took the super home and immersed the frames in a sink of warm water and washed the stored honey out. Does anybody have any comments on this? Did I do something worng? Article 27415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!gxsn.com!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spiders Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:00:34 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.167.111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 972597582 1NNUCNF1GA76FC393C gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27415 Thirs in my little series. This year I have noticed a large number of quite large spiders that seem to like sitting on top of the crown boards under the roof and picking off bees that stray too far. Is this a specific type of spider or just do you get several types that feed off bees? Article 27416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!gxsn.com!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Linseed? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:58:55 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <04ahvs0tcsvu21sm2kcstt514l3q3ganmh@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.167.111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 972597484 1NNUCNF1GA76FC393C gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27416 Another note from a newbie I am afraid. My hives are situated in an old orchard (only a handful of trees. The site is surround by mixed old woodland and a field that was planted with Linseed. The very last lot of honey I got off was reasonably dark (not very) and quite strong in flavour. Quite reminiscient of heather. (There is none around) Any idea what this could be? (I am in Sussex, UK.) Ta. Article 27417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What are my bees doing? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:04:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 972601454 24.27.124.218 (Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:04:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:04:14 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27417 Many of my bees are outside the front entrance. Only a handful are fanning. The others are mainly on the vertical side of the lower brood box facing down toward the entrance. They are not fanning as their wings aren't moving. Instead, they seem to be moving small amounts forward then backward then forward then backward, etc. They have their heads down while doing this and their front legs are moving around. What could they be doing? Article 27418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Spiders Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:04:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 972601497 24.27.124.218 (Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:04:57 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:04:57 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27418 Are they large lime green spiders? "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com... > Thirs in my little series. > > This year I have noticed a large number of quite large spiders that > seem to like sitting on top of the crown boards under the roof and > picking off bees that stray too far. Is this a specific type of spider > or just do you get several types that feed off bees? Article 27419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Daniels" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Joe Latshaw Bees Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:14:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.39 X-Trace: news3.atl 972609259 209.214.198.39 (Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:14:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:14:19 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27419 I've received a couple of replies. Joe Latshaw's Ohio Queen Breeders has information at: http://www.ohioqueenbreeders.com/ Sue Coby's New World Carniolan project is documented at: http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/honeybee/breeding/NWC.html Thanks to all who have sent info. Bill Daniels "Bill Daniels" wrote in message news:QgIJ5.9656$4P2.45008@news2.atl... > Someone was telling me about a line of honeybees being developed by Joe > Latshaw of Ohio State University in the U.S.A. which are distinct from the > New World Carniolan project directed by Sue Cobey at the same institution. > Does anyone know of the Latshaw project or have references for his strain of > bees? I am particularly interested in the characteristics being sought in > the Latshaw strain compared to those of the NWC strain. > > Thanks, > > Bill Daniels > > Article 27420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bear Attack - Part Three Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:57:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8t1jkg$1bv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.91.146.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 23 14:57:26 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {LMFS - Owego} (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 192.91.146.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27420 Another update for those of you who care... After the second attack on Thursday we decided it was time to move the hives until a fence could be built. We figured it needed to be done that night. As luck would have the day was exceptionally warm, so we waited until it cooled off in the evening to start, to give the girls time to get home. We buttoned up three of the four hives, and decided to load those before finishing the fourth. The fourth had a hole somewhere that everytime we started pounding the girls came storming out, loaded for bear. Anyway we went to the house got the truck, backed it up to the edge of the woods. We walked in about ten of the thirty feet to the hives and came across the bear happily munching on one of the hives. At this point it was very dark out and the flashlight suddenly appeared to become very dim. The bear backed up a step, we backed up a step. The bear came forward a step, we backed up a step... Sipping coffee inside we decided that the moving the hives would be easier in the daylight, as we could see the roots/rocks that may trip us. The next morning we cleaned the hives up, again, loaded them and moved them up the road (thankful that we could see the roots/rocks) until we can purchase the material for the fence Now our project is the rig up a motion system that will snap a few pictures of the bear while we are in the house mapping out those pesky roots/rocks.... Jeff Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: craig1966@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Joe Latshaw Bees Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:43:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8taq54$l50$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.182.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 27 02:43:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; formatnec; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.99.182.183 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcraig1966 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27421 Do you know of any commercial queen/bee producers that are using this "strain" of Italian bees? I'd bee interested in buying a couple queens or packages next spring maybe. Thanks. Craig Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0847.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to Extract? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:58:33 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0847.nts-online.net (216.167.135.211) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 972334715 22984962 216.167.135.211 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27422 >Should I... Sounds like pretty good bee country if you expect nectar to continue to be coming in for "a few more weeks" isn't it almost November? I would suggest you extract only those frames with sealed comb and be done with it. Make sure you leave the bees enough to get through those severe San Francisco winters. >Is there a possibility that I could wait too long? Yes. >What would happen? The bees would have ample stores for the winter and coming Spring. C.K. Article 27423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:54:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 972615247 206.130.189.215 (Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:54:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:54:07 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27423 First make sure there is nothing coming in. Too early and the bees re-store, too late and it' too cold for the bees to move up and bring down wet stores. You takes your chances!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:pq9hvsko9sm1gtmnk0osmldb91kibubdgb@4ax.com... > I have only been keeping bees over the past couple of years and this > year is the first that I have had a reasonable amount of frames to > deal with. > > In one of the books I read it said that the best way to clean excess > honey from frames you recently extracted honey from was to place the > super above a crown board with the access hole or whatever you call > it, open. The bees, feeling that the super was not truly a part of the > hive because of its separation, would clean off the frames and take > the excess honey below. Whilst this did work on most of the frames > they actually began storing honey in the central three frames. > > Being late in the season I was stuck so I took the super home and > immersed the frames in a sink of warm water and washed the stored > honey out. > > Does anybody have any comments on this? Did I do something worng? Article 27424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: buzibeelee@aol.com (Buzibeelee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: crystallized honey Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Oct 2000 03:33:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001026233306.22471.00000163@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27424 Had several buckets of honey (10 gallons each) out in my "honey room" where the temperature fluctuates between 50 and 70 degrees, depending on the weather, obviously. I planned to put the honey in "bears" over the Thanksgiving holidays. One of them crystallized. I was told that when you store honey in any place that has temperatures that vary, this is a possibility. That was sure new information to me. How do you store your honey? Do you keep a themostat to keep it at a constant temperature? What temperature? Buzzylee Article 27425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Oct 2000 03:59:59 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Message-ID: <20001026235959.22163.00001980@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27425 Posted by: "Robert Talk" > they seem to be moving small amounts forward then backward then >forward then backward, etc. They have their heads down while doing this and >their front legs are moving around. What could they be doing? It's called washboarding: www.pollinator.com/washboarding.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001026235959.22163.00001980@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:24:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 972620649 24.27.124.218 (Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:24:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:24:09 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27426 That's exactly what they are doing! The referenced page says that this may be a precursor to swarming. I live in Houston, Texas. Surely my bees aren't about to swarm this late in the year? Robert "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20001026235959.22163.00001980@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Posted by: "Robert Talk" > > > they seem to be moving small amounts forward then backward then > >forward then backward, etc. They have their heads down while doing this and > >their front legs are moving around. What could they be doing? > > > It's called washboarding: > www.pollinator.com/washboarding.htm > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:41:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8tb5v0$4tl$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-15.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 972626720 5045 62.136.2.15 (27 Oct 2000 06:05:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2000 06:05:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27427 Quite normal. They also eat queen wasps and wax moths! "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com... > Thirs in my little series. > > This year I have noticed a large number of quite large spiders that > seem to like sitting on top of the crown boards under the roof and > picking off bees that stray too far. Is this a specific type of spider > or just do you get several types that feed off bees? Article 27428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:07:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8tbk4n$99o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39F657AB.6B75A0F1@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.179 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 27 10:07:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.179 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27428 > ...I have read that you can hang a full sardine can from one > of the hot wires, slightly opened to allow the oil to drip. > A bear will inevitably be attracted and bite or lick the metal > can and get the shock of his/her life... This is the main secret to using an electric fence: good bait in the right places to get the bear to notice the fence, and to train the bear. Since fur is a good insulator, a bear may not even notice an otherwise adequate electric fence unless it is drawn to his/her attention by bait that is well attached and makes good contact with a sensitive and non- furry part of the critter. Electric fences don't function by mechanical strength, but by psychology. You cannot build a fence strong enough to keep out a determined starving bear that has gotten used to eating brood and honey, but even a flimsy electric fence can do the trick -- if the bear can be trained. That depends on the bear -- and you. You have to understand what is happening in the bear's mind and anticipate. Just putting up a fence won't do the job. Small nail holes in the sardine can work well to let the smell out. Strips of bacon have also been used successfully for bait. The idea is to be sure the bear notices and examines the fence before he/she wanders right through it, possibly in the dark. Whatever bait is used, it must be on each of the four corners of the square, or where you know the bear will first encounter the fence. You don't want your bear to walk right through the fence on the way to a single bait which could be on the far side of where the bear first approaches. It also *must* be firmly attached by a strong conductive tether to the hot wire. You don't want the bear to go away with *any* reward to console him/her for the pain of that initial shock. Once the bear has noticed the fence , ribbons or survey tape on the wires to make them more visible and are a good idea if you use sheep fencing or thin wire and especially if you are dealing with a bear with poor vision. Some commercial electric fencing uses a high visibility tape with a metallic thread running the length. Remember, if the hive is the only food in the area, the bear is going to return to spend time around the fence after the initial shock wears off, and will examine the fence carefully. If he/she walks through accidentally, then the game is over. Bears can be very big and srong. Other thoughts: The bear must be standing on a good ground when he/she takes that first fateful bite or lick. Sometimes grounded wire mesh must be used if the earth itself is extremely dry and non-conductive around the fence. A fence works best if the bear has never had a chance to try eating the contents of a hive. Once a bear has tried honey and brood, it may be difficult to train him/her, especially if he/she is starving. Barbed wire can ensure that the bear makes actual flesh contact if it decides to try to go through. Re-bar with poly pipe over it has been used to make cheap, non conductive posts. The fence need not be very high or strong if it is properly baited. MAKE SURE THE FENCER ALWAYS HAS POWER and is not shorted to ground by weeds. No sense providing bacon and sardines as appetizers. Try the BEE-L logs at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ for extensive discussions from the past. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strong smell Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:30:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8t33a0$a8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sulio$ebc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20001022150056.10765.00000740@ng-fl1.aol.com> <8svjer$i06$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39f4ff8d$0$15677@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 24 04:30:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.158 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27429 Its pretty strong but some people like that.If the hives are already heavy you can take off the supers of honey and store them for spring feed or splits.Rabbitbrush is just about done blooming here.We have had frosts off and on for over a month now,but rabbitbrush never seems to be effected by it.It is a totally reliable pollen producer and sometimes puts out a lot of nectar.I once heard that it caused wintering problems in the high elevations of Colorado if not fully ripened before winter.But I dont know for sure. > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:44:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8t342t$ap3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com> <8t1ie8$78$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.158 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 24 04:44:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32; Hotbar 2.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.158 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27430 In article <8t1ie8$78$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, td64008@link.com wrote: > In article <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com>, > ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > > Having never had a problem with bears, I was just curious about all > the money > > it seems to take for fences and electric fences to protect a few > hives. How > > about angle iron frames closed with bolts. Steel is pretty cheap > where I > > live, lots of scrap. > > > > I guess the bears could 'knaw' on the hives, but they sure couldn't > pull them > > apart. > > > > C.K. > > > > We think that we can squeak out a fence for about $200. or so. It will > be money that we probably never recoup (for the most part we give away > the honey as gifts) We keep the bees for the enjoyment of getting stung > every weekend, so our bottom line is pretty flexible. Of course if the > fence doesn't work we may be in trouble as we can't keep sinking money > in the hives. Reminds me of the story about the old beekeeper that won > the lottery. A reporter ask him what he was going to do with all the > money. He replied "I will continue beekeeping until it is gone...." > > Jeff > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > And "The secret to being a successful beekeeper is having a wife working full time in town" -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Cleaning frames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39F98F74.2C4EE017@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:21:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27431 Steven Newport wrote:
 

Does anybody have any comments on this? Did I do something worng?

You can always just set the supers outside (off the hives) and let the bees rob them out. The problem here is that it sometimes causes bees to rob other hives as well. However, if you separate the supers from your apiary by around 150 yards or so I have read that this will prevent robbing. I have found that this method works for me. I set a bowl under the stack to catch the chewed beeswax. 
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  Article 27432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting out... Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:03:11 GMT References: <39F060A8.CBF2F14F@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001024020311.12290.00000325@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27432 Get two hives--I started off with one and, unfortunately, had some problems and lost almost all of that first season. It is such a joy to keep bees (as a hobbyist, anyway) and two hives will give you flexibility and allow you to do all sorts of manipulations, if there are problems. As a new beekeeper, you need encouragement and positive reinforcement! And, as Geo mentioned, you'll be able to easily compare hives, as well. Buzzylee Article 27433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info for visitors - Apimondia 2001 Congress - South Africa Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:10:15 GMT References: <8skj5k$dl2$1@wanadoo.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001024021015.12290.00000326@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27433 Having attended the last Apimondia I take exception with some of your words. I did not find that it was easy to connect like in small "rap" groups (possibly organized by areas of interest or people just wanting to hang out with each other) and proceedings were overly formal and stuffy. I wrote a long letter to your Rome office--never even had an acknowledgement. It would be my suggestion that in order to make Apimondia a satisfying experience for those who come alone that you consider becoming sensitive to making what is otherwise a very LARGE and somewhat sterile proceedings into a "celebration" of beekeeping. This can be done with looking at forming a number of small get-together occasions, during the day and evening, among other techniques which any "training" or human resources professional could assist Apimondia's steering committee with. The most enjoyable part of Apimondia, for me, was simply the exhibitors area. I wrote other suggestions to your office so I won't go into them here. Buzzylee Article 27434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:03:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27434 sometimes referred to as "washboarding" and still a mystery as to what its function is...possibilities include self-grooming and/or scraping of resinous surface (paint/pinewood) for propolis collection, maybe just young adolescent workers hanging out with nothing better to do much as mature macho drones loiter in congregation areas waiting for some action... Article 27435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!195.161.0.180!newsfeed.rt.ru!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.relcom.ru!news.vrn.ru!not-for-mail From: "Oleg B. Moskalev" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: International agrarian site! Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:56:20 +0400 Organization: éÎÆÏÒÍÓ×ÑÚØ-þÅÒÎÏÚÅÍØÅ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8tc8po$11ns$1@serv.vrn.ru> References: <8t9uhp$17f5$1@serv.vrn.ru> <20001026210425.02911.00001301@ng-ce1.aol.com> <8tatjm$2aas$1@serv.vrn.ru> <261020002250263125%toast@juice.com> <8tbtf6$j54$1@serv.vrn.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: tf-pool-60.vrn.ru X-Trace: serv.vrn.ru 972662392 34556 195.98.67.60 (27 Oct 2000 15:59:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@serv.vrn.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2000 15:59:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:50211 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27435 sci.agriculture.fruit:3820 sci.agriculture.poultry:26652 sci.agriculture.ratites:1672 http://www.good.vol.ru/agro/projekt.html I have made pilot variant of an international site is certainly, to look so will not be, but it is possible to estimate titles of many subjects! -- Oleg B. Moskalev Article 27436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Well worth reading Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:10:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.169.101.149 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 27 15:10:42 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.169.101.149 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27436 EVERYONE should check this site. www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contactspage/articles.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:13:56 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: "Jerome R. Long" Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-12.clinic.net X-Trace: 27 Oct 2000 11:10:25 -0400, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-12.clinic.net Lines: 24 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-12.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27437 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: 4.) I am not cheating any customers as I do not sell any honey. > 5.) I suppose, to be consistent, that those of you who think the heated honey > is worthless sweet goo, will refrain from pressure canning produce. I would > really like to see some objective documentation of the incredible claims some > responders have made for the properties of honey. I am beginning to think that > honey snobs are worse than wine snobs. Not really snobs but looking to use what the bees give us and try not to diminish its quality. Using a microwave to heat honey is the quickest way to make it "out of spec" and unsalable in many countries. True, change in taste will be small for most consumers, but why not have the best for both you and those who you give honey to? It will also not be useable as an antiseptic for burns and wounds. It will be darker after microwaving. I use the microwave to separate honey and cappings, but I toss out the honey or use it for cooking only, since it will be heated again. Even if you have one hive, you are talking about the loss of three pounds of honey to 75+ pounds from a typical hive. So why bother to try and save and use the less than best. As far as documentation, there is plenty concerning heated honey loss of quality. Check the hive and the honeybee for some good info. Bill Truesdell Article 27438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:31:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8t38lb$5a0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-220.iodine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 972367339 5440 62.136.44.220 (24 Oct 2000 06:02:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:02:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27438 "Bill Truesdell" wrote in message > If you are going to sell the honey you are short changing your customers > since the honey will not be the best Agree! > You can also let the cappings drip by putting them in the leg of a > pantyhose Ugh!!! I know that beekeepers are not renowned for spending money unnecessarily - but surely a decent piece of straining cloth is not too much to ask? Article 27439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help from Uncle Sam Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8t2iiu$1bo0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8sqobn$1hic$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 972344734 44800 209.130.165.75 (23 Oct 2000 23:45:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Oct 2000 23:45:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27439 Wool and mohair was added today (10/23)... --Busybee John Partin wrote in message news:5304-39F18C33-11@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > Thanks Busybee this is the kind of info I was looking for. > I also here that it will be for the year 00, but if they start it it > is hard to stop it. All the other comodites that were kicked out when > the honey was kicked has already been given back. > Thanks again > Bud > Article 27440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39F9ADC4.28AF65F6@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39F98F74.2C4EE017@nospam.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27440 Hi Everyone, I have been following this topic with interest. I for one, store the supers wet. I try to get the extracted weight of the medium box down to 14 - 16 lbs. I store the boxes in my basement. I used to let the bees rob them, but in my experience unless you can get the boxs a good distance away from the hives the bees will start to rob, and I find the mood of all the hives to become some what grumpy. Also, I really don't like feeding wasps either. It must be a real battle because I always find dead bees. so I stopped. Besides, the bees do a great job themselves cleaning out the comb next year. Kent Stienburg Article 27441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info for visitors - Apimondia 2001 Congress - South Africa Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:45:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <8tcbeg$sdn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8skj5k$dl2$1@wanadoo.fr> <20001024021015.12290.00000326@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 27 16:45:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.188 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27441 > Having attended the last Apimondia I take exception with some of > your words. I did not find that it was easy to connect like > in small "rap" groups (possibly organized by areas of interest > or people just wanting to hang out with each other) and > proceedings were overly formal and stuffy... I had quite the opposite experience at Vancouver Apimondia to what is reported above, but I must confess I already knew many, many people from previous meetings, and from BEE-L. I also had my wife (also a beekeeper) with me for company so I never got that lonely, ignored feeling that can so easy hit a solitary attendeee to such events, and which often leads to withdrawl which then leads to further loneliness and alienation. Besides, I am an extrovert. Not only did I already know lots of attendees from being at other meetings in Canada and the US, but Jim Bach arranged to have a BEE-L meeting in one of the conference rooms upstairs, and as I recall, *at least* 30 (maybe it was 40) friends from around the entire world appeared to meet face-to-face and rap. We had a few group photos taken when we broke up into smaller groups and most of us went to a bar nearby and had a hilarious time. Some of us subsequently attended the Apimondia meetings with our friends from the Internet or met them for lunch, etc. We even had little red dots on our name tags so we could recognise one another. The scheduling of the meetings may not have been quite as user-friendly as it could have been, since the assumption seemed to be that people would stay in one room and listen to a series of talks organised along interest group lines, rather than run from room to room cherry picking the best talks and ignoring the ones that did not seem to be of interest. I found myself leafing back and forth through the program and running up and down halls. There were also arrangements for minor presenters to meet with interested parties at the back of the exhibition hall in booths where they had set up their material on bulletin boards. For me that did not work out too well. I thought that part could have been better organised. I never managed to make it to even one of those little confabs although I would have liked to have done so. There were small discussion groups and presentations scheduled upstairs and I did attend some of those. All-in-all, though, the meeting was reportedly the best Apimondia congress ever. I know I got a lot out of it, both informationally and socially, but I can see how some people might not have. It takes a lot of determination and effort to overlook minor flaws and to make the most of such a large and diverse smorgasbord. I am sure that no one left feeling that there was not at least something exciting that he or she had missed, but that is just the way it is. There is always room for improvement and suggestions and complaints can be constructive, but we all must realise that we only get out of something what we are willing ourselves to put in. We must remember that such meetings are put on by volunteers in a minor and relatively poor industry who receive no pay and may never have done such a job before. If we are not willing or able to make an effort to make new friends and organise a little meetings ourselves, how can we expect someone else to do it for us? The organisers can do things to try to get people mixing, but it is up to each individual to learn what is available and to make the best of the situation. Apimondia is a volunteer organisation made up of people of many nationalities, cultures and languages. It is amazing it works as well as it does. I had my doubts when I went to Apimondia -- I went out of a sense of duty seeing as it was in Canada -- but had an experience I will long remember fondly, and I have a new respect for the people who organised and ran it. Will I go to South Africa? Dunno -- right now at least. I don't look forward to a 17 hour airplane ride, but I AM considering it. If it is even 1/4 of what the Vancouver meeting was, it will be good. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave -the evil nuker. Date: 27 Oct 2000 17:44:13 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8tcetd$s26$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F84A40.70961ECF@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972668653 28742 128.173.176.162 (27 Oct 2000 17:44:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Oct 2000 17:44:13 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27442 In article <39F84A40.70961ECF@lambton.on.ca>, mveltman@lambton.on.ca says... > >"Jerome R. Long" wrote: > >> Thank you for all the responses. Unfortunately, they were exactly what I >> expected and perhaps in error. 1.) I have not found the heated honey >> subject to crystallization problems and have kept some for several years >> without a problem. 2.) I detect no difference in flavor or color of the >> heated versus unheated honey. >****** >perhaps you can't. A lot of people can't tell the difference between a >vegiburger and a hamburger either. >****** >> 3.) About 50% of what I put in a wide mouth mason jar is >> filled and capped comb and contains the miraculous and magical biochemical >> ingredients alleged to be present (but never documented very well) in the >> unheated honey. 4.) I am not cheating any customers as I do not sell any >> honey. 5.) I suppose, to be consistent, that those of you who think the >> heated honey is worthless sweet goo, will refrain from pressure canning >> produce. >****** >how is the issue of long term preservation of vegetables even remotely related >to the issue of proper honey extraction? >****** Well, I think that is a core issue. I prefer produce right out of my garden, but that is only possible for relatively short times in good seasons. The stuff I can is degraded in many ways when I preserve it by pressure canning, but it is still of value to me. Likewise, I do the best I can with my honey and I keep as much as possible in the comb. I cannot justify an extractor and have no access to one, so what am I to do? It has been suggested that I smash the comb and hang it in old panty hose or the equivalent. Well, perhaps, but I am still looking for a better solution. When I posted this I expected to be flamed as the evil nuker, but what I had hoped for was the possibility of a viable and better solution than nuking 50% of the honey and I have not heard one. I have tried storing it in the supers and using it a frame at a time, but the wax moths and ants have a way of finding it even indoors. ****** >> I would >> really like to see some objective documentation of the incredible claims >> some responders have made for the properties of honey. ****** >if you look into the 'objective documentation' yourself, you'll find that the >advice given you here is established fact speaking with a little more >authority than a two hive nuking operation. ****** Make that one hive and provide a legitimate citation. I do not regard a rant in Prevention magazine as a legitimate citation. Some of these claims have comparable scientific basis to claims that copper bracelets help arthritics. Obviously, I think honey is good stuff and appreciate that its value is best if kept the way the bees made it. If I didn't believe that I would not have kept bees for the past 27 years, but I believe that many claims made for the properties of honey are without objective foundation. If the objective foundation has been established where can I find it in peer reviewed objective journals? Article 27443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39F4DD30.8A5B24D2@necessaaryillsions.ca> From: Francis Miquet Organization: Necessary Illusions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moth damage??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Forwarded: by CAM Internet (newsmaster@cam.org) Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:00 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.168.100.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.net X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 972348559 198.168.100.62 (Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:49:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:49:19 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27443 Hello, I have this chronic wax moth problem. Whenever I store supers in my shed, within no time they get infested with wax-moth larvas. I have tried using moth balls, making sure they are well ventilated etc. but they always seem to come back I have lost a least 50 built up frames this year. Anyone have any ideas. Thanks Francis Article 27444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!gxsn.com!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:35:13 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <25mjvs4lm3sv3613bq50vo5v9nahjok87i@4ax.com> References: <39F98F74.2C4EE017@nospam.boeing.com> <39F9ADC4.28AF65F6@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.168.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 972675264 1NNUCNF1GA832C393C gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27444 Thanks fior your nreply on this. I am quite interested in what you say but I wonder, how you protect against wax moth with wet frames? I considered this but am concerned about things like PDB or suplher compounds getting into the honey. On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:31:00 -0400, kent stienburg wrote: >Hi Everyone, >I have been following this topic with interest. I for one, store the supers wet. I try to get the extracted weight of the medium box down to >14 - 16 lbs. I store the boxes in my basement. I used to let the bees rob them, but in my experience unless you can get the boxs a good >distance away from the hives the bees will start to rob, and I find the mood of all the hives to become some what grumpy. Also, I really don't >like feeding wasps either. It must be a real battle because I always find dead bees. so I stopped. Besides, the bees do a great job >themselves cleaning out the comb next year. >Kent Stienburg Article 27445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!gxsn.com!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:36:58 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: References: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.168.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 972675368 1NNUCNF1GA832C393C gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27445 Nope. And if they were you sure as hell wouldn't see me beekeeping again! Seriously these are long legged, black, thin legs, quite fast. On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:04:57 GMT, "Robert Talk" wrote: >Are they large lime green spiders? > >"Steven Newport" wrote in message >news:59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com... >> Thirs in my little series. >> >> This year I have noticed a large number of quite large spiders that >> seem to like sitting on top of the crown boards under the roof and >> picking off bees that stray too far. Is this a specific type of spider >> or just do you get several types that feed off bees? > Article 27446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How late can supers? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:25:30 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8t2ukg$9l3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4e.2c X-Server-Date: 24 Oct 2000 03:11:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27446 Hello All I am new to bee keeping. Starting out this year with one hive. I am located in middle Georgia in a wooded area. The bees did not seem to be collecting much during June/July/August time, we were in a severe drought and nothing was blooming. September and October have been better and I have noticed the bees collecting pollen and they have almost filled the super, about one and a half frames left to fill. Should I add a super this late in the year? Also should I use the queen excluder? When I used the excluder earlier in the season they did not anything in the empty super. When I removed the excluder the bees still did nothing in the super, little or no flowers in bloom was probable the reason for the lack of activity. Thank you David A. Article 27447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!arb.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8sulio$ebc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20001022150056.10765.00000740@ng-fl1.aol.com> <8svjer$i06$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Strong smell Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:19:41 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <39f4ff8d$0$15677@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 972357517 15677 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27447 Is rabbitbrush honey consumable? I haven't tried it yet, I've always left it for winter feed, but there's such a strong flow here (Colorado) I could harvest extra if I wanted. > Here in the far west USA there is a strong smell of > sour socks when bees are gathering from rabbitbrush,our last blooming > plant of the year. > > loggermike Article 27448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:06:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.166 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 24 16:06:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.166 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27448 In article <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net>, Bill Truesdell wrote: > "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > > > If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal > > extractor is not economical. In order to get liquid honey to put in jars with > > my comb, I use the microwave and find that works very well....<< Bill Truesdale answered: > > If you are going to sell the honey you are short changing your customers > since the honey will not be the best.... Wow!!! Not only will it not be the best, it will be the worst! Honey is a natural food, and has many healing or therapeutic properties. It is anti-bacterial because honey has a low pH, small amounts of water, fats and proteins, and generally poor "living conditions" for bacteria. Bioflavonoids in honey are directly antibacterial and many of the honey's some 43 enzymes are antibacterial and antibiotic. Honey has been used to treat burns and other wounds as well as to ward off allergies. Honey is truly an extraordinary product with multiple qualities. However, many of enzymes giving honey its best qualities are destroyed when honey is heated. Also it will crystalize quicker after heating so the best extraction procedure is one that uses NO HEAT at all. But the worst part of your plan is that microwaves destroy almost all of the honey's enzymes. All you have left is sweet goo. So, Jerome, I recommend you slow down and notice the difference when you get unmolested honey. Sincerely, Herb NW Florida USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 28 Oct 2000 02:52:38 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8tdf1m$cnj$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad23cd.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972701558 13043 128.173.35.205 (28 Oct 2000 02:52:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 02:52:38 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27449 In article <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com says... > >In article <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net>, > Bill Truesdell wrote: > Honey is a natural food, and has many healing or therapeutic >properties. It is anti-bacterial because honey has a low pH, small >amounts of water, fats and proteins, and generally poor "living >conditions" for bacteria. Bioflavonoids in honey are directly >antibacterial and many of the honey's some 43 enzymes are antibacterial >and antibiotic. Honey has been used to treat burns and other wounds as >well as to ward off allergies. Honey is truly an extraordinary product >with multiple qualities. > However, many of enzymes giving honey its best qualities are >destroyed when honey is heated. Also it will crystalize quicker after >heating so the best extraction procedure is one that uses NO HEAT at >all. > But the worst part of your plan is that microwaves destroy almost >all of the honey's enzymes. All you have left is sweet goo. So, >Jerome, I recommend you slow down and notice the difference when you >get unmolested honey. > What is your source or sources for the statements made above? These are strong claims? Have these been subject to objective study and reported in a respectable journal with peer review? Article 27450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:15:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 28 11:15:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.32 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27450 In article <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net>, Bill Truesdell wrote: > As far as documentation, there is plenty concerning heated honey loss of quality. Check the hive and the honeybee for some good info. > Bill Truesdell > Bill, I apologize for spelling your name wrong in my first post. Jerome, you have been at beekeeping a lot longer than I have and have probably looked up more documentation than I have so I'm not sure there is anything I could say that would help you. But Bill is right. There is plenty of documentation out there. I don't remember where I read about the heat tests, and am not inclined to do the research for you because your mind seems to be already made up. However, if I can find the source I'll post the link here. I do know that I had been telling our customers that a good way to make crystallized honey liquid again was to put it in the microwave. As soon as I learned how bad that was for the honey I quit telling them that. But of course I haven't been a beekeeper long enough yet to get set in my ways. I'm still learning. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:43:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 28 11:43:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.32 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27451 In article <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > However, if I can > find the source I'll post the link here. > Haven't found it yet but here is one I just discovered. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/EnzThem.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39FAC8F8.F516F006@clinic.net> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:39:20 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tdf1m$cnj$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-54.clinic.net X-Trace: 28 Oct 2000 07:35:46 -0400, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-54.clinic.net Lines: 11 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-54.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27452 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > What is your source or sources for the statements made above? These are strong > claims? Have these been subject to objective study and reported in a > respectable journal with peer review? You can do a little research. Check here for a wealth of beekeeping information. http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/others.htm Bill Truesdell Article 27453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning decapping plane. Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:29:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8t5nj7$fqi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39F65AEC.127CF0C7@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.97.121.232 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 25 04:29:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.97.121.232 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27453 Well, Glen & Zoe, I purchased a brand new uncapping plane (knife) so it was VERY clean. Here's what I do... After uncapping all the frames that I'm going to, I let the knife heat up for a few minutes so that the wax and honey will flow off easily, then I use a paper towel or rag to carefully wipe down the entire blade until it is clean (while it is still hot). I find that almost all of the wax and honey are removed. Occasionally, there may be a little wax that solidifies in some of the small depressions of the blade along the soldered joints. To clean these, I let the knife completely cool and then I carefully scrape the wax off with a jacknife. That's all. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:27:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 69 Message-ID: <8tdp07$341$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39F98F74.2C4EE017@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-156.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C04065.25ADDE00" X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 972711751 3201 62.136.4.156 (28 Oct 2000 05:42:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 05:42:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27454 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C04065.25ADDE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message = news:39F98F74.2C4EE017@nospam.boeing.com... You can always just set the supers outside (off the hives) and let the = bees rob them out. The problem here is that it sometimes causes bees to = rob other hives as well. However, if you separate the supers from your = apiary by around 150 yards or so I have read that this will prevent = robbing. I have found that this method works for me. I set a bowl under = the stack to catch the chewed beeswax.=20 ------------------------------- Excellent method of starting robbing and spreading disease. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C04065.25ADDE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
"Billy Y. Smart II" <Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boei= ng.com>=20 wrote in message news:39F98F74.2C4EE017@= nospam.boeing.com...
You can always just set the supers outside (off the hives) and = let the=20 bees rob them out. The problem here is that it sometimes causes bees = to rob=20 other hives as well. However, if you separate the supers from your = apiary by=20 around 150 yards or so I have read that this will prevent robbing. I = have=20 found that this method works for me. I set a bowl under the stack to = catch the=20 chewed beeswax.
 
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Excellent method of starting = robbing and=20 spreading disease.
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C04065.25ADDE00-- Article 27455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning decapping plane. Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:29:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8tdp0f$341$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39F65AEC.127CF0C7@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-156.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 972711759 3201 62.136.4.156 (28 Oct 2000 05:42:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 05:42:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27455 Sounds a bit too hot to me - but then, I simply use a cold ham knife. "Glen & Zoe" <6archers@home.com> wrote in message news:39F65AEC.127CF0C7@home.com... > I have a hand-held decapping plane that I purchased used. It was fairly > clean to begin with but after using it recently it is covered in black, > carbon looking, burnt wax and honey. What is an effective way to clean > this thing? Short of sandblasting it, I can't figure it out!!! Thanks, > Glen. Article 27456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rooskwy@aol.com (Rooskwy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new to this-any help for a beginner-yorkshire-based u.k. Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Oct 2000 13:52:18 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001028095218.21593.00000239@ng-mj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27456 help!!! Article 27457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!stl-feed.news.verio.net!feed1.primary.net!news1.primary.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39F6D2CA.B1E611B8@yahoo.com> From: Taylor Francis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Using new foundation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:32:11 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.203.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@primary.net X-Trace: news1.primary.net 972477135 216.224.203.146 (Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:32:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:32:15 CDT Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27457 I've heard that you aren't supposed to put two frames of foundation next to each other as the bees won't build them evenly...one will be bigger than the other. How do I start out, then? All I'll have to begin with is foundation... Help. -- Taylor Article 27458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Using new foundation Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Oct 2000 13:21:14 GMT References: <39F6D2CA.B1E611B8@yahoo.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001025092114.27802.00000815@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27458 Taylor start with boxes containing 10 frames of foundation. Feed heavily or install during a good strong honey flow. If you mix drawn and undrawn foundation you get the oddball ones. Sometimes you get oddball ones no matter what you do, fix these with a hive tool. Tom Article 27459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 28 Oct 2000 14:47:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2535.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972744470 27595 128.173.37.53 (28 Oct 2000 14:47:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 14:47:50 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27459 In article <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com says... > >In article <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net>, > Bill Truesdell wrote: > > >> As far as documentation, there is plenty concerning heated honey loss >of quality. Check the hive and the honeybee for some good info. >> Bill Truesdell >> > Bill, I apologize for spelling your name wrong in my first post. > > Jerome, you have been at beekeeping a lot longer than I have and >have probably looked up more documentation than I have so I'm not sure >there is anything I could say that would help you. But Bill is right. >There is plenty of documentation out there. I don't remember where I >read about the heat tests, and am not inclined to do the research for >you because your mind seems to be already made up. However, if I can >find the source I'll post the link here. > > I do know that I had been telling our customers that a good way to >make crystallized honey liquid again was to put it in the microwave. As >soon as I learned how bad that was for the honey I quit telling them >that. But of course I haven't been a beekeeper long enough yet to get >set in my ways. I'm still learning. > I would not have made the original post if I did not hope for something better. None of you guys have a practical alternative to what I do. I suppose you are extractor owners or have a club or something with a shared extractor, or maybe you do this "hang it in old pantyhose" thing. You denounce me as "nuking my honey into a worthless sweet goo," but offer me nothing better. So you tell me I am set in my ways and can't be educated through the technique of denouncing what I do without providing any solid evidence that what I do is so horrible or proposing a viable alternative. It is like a religious argument. Article 27460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:01:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2535.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972745308 27595 128.173.37.53 (28 Oct 2000 15:01:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:01:49 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27460 In article <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com says... > >In article <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > >> However, if I can >> find the source I'll post the link here. >> > > Haven't found it yet but here is one I just discovered. > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/EnzThem.html > Thank you. I looked at that and found it interesting, but mysterious. I features graphs that show a systematic change of something in the honey when held at temperatures just a little above hive temperature for extended times. I don't yet know what that something is or its value. I don't doubt it may be something valuable, but the same sorts of things can be shown for almost anything consumed by people, even without heating. Say you pick green beans. You can eat them raw. That is probably best. If you cook them you cause significant changes. Do those changes render the beans nutritionally worthless? Probably not. Suppose you have more beans than you can eat raw immediately and you hold them in the bottom of the refrigerator for a week and then try them raw or you cook them. Either way they are not so good. In fact, they can be rather poor. Is unheated honey in the comb the same in February as it was when taken from the hive in August? I don't know, but I suspect that changes have taken place. Ayway, thanks for sending the site. It is a start. Article 27461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:03:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8tepsd$qub$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tdf1m$cnj$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39FAC8F8.F516F006@clinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2535.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972745421 27595 128.173.37.53 (28 Oct 2000 15:03:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:03:41 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27461 In article <39FAC8F8.F516F006@clinic.net>, mister-t@clinic.net says... > >"Jerome R. Long" wrote: > >> What is your source or sources for the statements made above? These are strong >> claims? Have these been subject to objective study and reported in a >> respectable journal with peer review? > > >You can do a little research. Check here for a wealth of beekeeping >information. >http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/others.htm My Netscape 4.6 installation cannot find this site. >Bill Truesdell Article 27462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well worth reading Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:07:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8teq3r$qub$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2535.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972745659 27595 128.173.37.53 (28 Oct 2000 15:07:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:07:39 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27462 In article <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2smart2late@my-deja.com says... > >EVERYONE should check this site. >www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contactspage/articles.html When I attempt to open the above URL I get the message: Not Found The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 27463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:56:05 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8tf3ms$n83$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip46.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 972755484 23811 195.249.242.46 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27463 Never heat the honey over 40 degrees Celsius. Here is an other url for you to look at. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/hmf.html -- Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-200 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:46:45 -0500 Organization: EnterAct Corp. Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F41B3C.456D2268@clinic.net> <8t4c2b$ai3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tdf1m$cnj$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39FAC8F8.F516F006@clinic.net><8tepsd$qub$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-229-151-155.d.enteract.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.enteract.com 972755252 19547 207.229.151.155 (28 Oct 2000 17:47:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@enteract.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 2000 17:47:32 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27464 in article 8tepsd$qub$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu, Jerome R. Long at jrlong@vt.edu wrote on 10/28/00 10:03 AM: >> You can do a little research. Check here for a wealth of beekeeping >> information. >> http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/others.htm > My Netscape 4.6 installation cannot find this site. http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/contacts/others.htm Article 27465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Lines: 70 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:09:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 972760181 12.72.51.197 (Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:09:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:09:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27465 Nothing worst than an argument about religion, a heated debate on the subject however..... Jerome, here is an alternative for you. I confess that I have not myself tried it, being the owner of an extractor but I see no reason why it would not work and would probably be no more time consuming than your current method. A salad spinner might do a fine job as a mini-extractor. You could probably un-cap a frame and cut the comb in about 3" wide strips, spin them and then turn them over. Maybe fit in a frame at a time. The downside is that you lose your drawn comb, but you are losing that anyway. Now the economics. A good salad spinner will cost at least $20 USD. An inexpensive new extractor will cost $100 USD. Lets assume you have 10 frames to extract. You will have to replace the foundation each time and the bees will consume about 8 lb. of honey/lb. of wax they must produce. This is honey you could otherwise sell. I value my honey at $2.75 USD/lb un-packaged. I am guessing that 10 medium frames contain about 10 oz. wax, so I'll use .625 lb. Foundation 10 x .75 = $7.5 Cost of honey .625 x 8 x 2.75 = $13.75 Total cost $21.25 Cost/frame $2.125 Payback $100 / 2.125 = $47.06 frames You may disagree with the specific amounts used above, but if you substitute your amounts the concept remains unchanged. You can come up with your own cost/frame and determine the payback period. I will not attempt to assign a value to your time for extracting vs your current method, but it has to be worth something. I doubt you can argue that it is less time consuming to process a frame using your method with the necessary labor of re-inserting foundation each time than it is to use an extractor. For now I will not even argue the merits of drawn supers vs. foundation for honey production and swarm reduction or the reluctance of bees to draw out foundation above an excluder. Now I'll let you argue you original statement- "If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal extractor is not economical." -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > > I would not have made the original post if I did not hope for > something better. None of you guys have a practical alternative to what I do. > I suppose you are extractor owners or have a club or something with a shared > extractor, or maybe you do this "hang it in old pantyhose" thing. You denounce > me as "nuking my honey into a worthless sweet goo," but offer me nothing > better. So you tell me I am set in my ways and can't be educated through the > technique of denouncing what I do without providing any solid evidence that > what I do is so horrible or proposing a viable alternative. It is like a > religious argument. > Article 27466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Using new foundation Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Oct 2000 22:18:13 GMT References: <20001025092114.27802.00000815@ng-cr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20001028181813.05212.00000942@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27466 >Taylor start with boxes containing 10 frames of foundation. >Feed heavily or install during a good strong honey flow. >If you mix drawn and undrawn foundation you get the oddball ones. >Sometimes you get oddball ones no matter what you do, fix these with a hive >tool. > > I had this problem with one frame last summer, I just cut off the excess, sweetened my tea with it (it was syrup honey, unfit for anything else), and next time I opened the hive up, the bees had drawn out both sides evenly. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 27467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info for visitors - Apimondia 2001 Congress - South Africa Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:54:50 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8tfooa$p7m$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8skj5k$dl2$1@wanadoo.fr> <20001024021015.12290.00000326@ng-fx1.aol.com> <8tcbeg$sdn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip14.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 972777034 25846 195.249.242.14 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27467 I still remember the fun it was to meet the Bee-L people at this Vancouver apimondia meeting. So even if I have no money to go to the next I would recommend to take actions for replication of this nice meet together! How it can be done is up to you who will go there, but I don't think you will regret it. Best regards Jorn Johanesson -- Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FC3054.B9C358C@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack - part two References: <8sni3d$gdv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3ls1vssug0sn3m4a03mnkbbtvontmeqdtq@4ax.com> <8svkb3$iks$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:12:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 972828650 206.231.24.54 (Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:10:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:10:50 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27468 I don't find bear fences so expensive - especially when you consider the 30 or 40 colonies in each of my yards. Scrounging cheap materials may sound economical, but if he gets through the fence even once you've lost more than you've saved. Gallagher makes a truly great fencer. The B-11 runs on 6 "D" cell batteries. They last 10 weeks. Car battery types last about 3. Here's a plan for a good fence. Assuming your fence is square or rectangular - place a cedar post ($1.50 @) at each of four corners. Two more are needed for a gate - usually in the center of one side. A three strand fence is quite sufficient. Start on one side of the gate. Screw in a gate eyebolt (looks like an insulator with an eyelet on each side of the screw). Cost a couple bucks for two. Attatch the wire to one end, and walk the wire around the outside of the posts until you get back to the eyelet. Cut the wire, and attatch an electric fence handle (3 or 4 dollars @). For fence posts along the sides, use 4" fiberglass posts with 3 plastic insulators on each. Corner insulators are the plastic nail on insulators. Each corner gets two per wire, nailed to the cedar post on the tangent. This keeps the wire on the outside of the post so bruin can't push on the post. The opposite side of the gate from the handles gets three nail on insulators. This allows each wire to be a continuous loop, easily tightened at the handle. Next you need a good ground for the fencer. I cut an 8' ground rod in half. Use one section at the fencer. Attatch a wire to it, and run it as far as you can (up to 100 feet), and attatch it to the second half of the rod. Cut pieces of wire 6" long, bend them in a "U" shape, and use them to hold the ground wire against the ground.Repeat this procedure with a secon ground system for a lightning arrestor if you feel that you need one. I have never had a bear go through this type of fence. Sometimes I place strips of bacon along the top wire, and sometimes I don't (depends whether or not I've remembered it at the market). It doesn't seem to matter. I would say this fence costs less than $200. loggermike wrote: > Where there is a will there is a way.Bears are > unbelievably destructive.The fence costs can be reduced by scrounging > old fence wire for the ground,recycling car batteries(car gets a new > battery,bear fence gets the old one if still good)We quit using barbed > wire and so far have had success with regular smooth electric fence > wire.(cheap and easy to work with)Sometimes steel T-posts can be found > at farm sales.I know others make cheap posts somehow but dont have > details.When all else fails ,find a good recipe for roast bear. > > -- > loggermike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39FC157B.DF1477FF@clinic.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:18:03 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-16.clinic.net X-Trace: 29 Oct 2000 06:14:34 -0500, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-16.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-16.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27469 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > I would not have made the original post if I did not hope for > something better. None of you guys have a practical alternative to what I do. > I suppose you are extractor owners or have a club or something with a shared > extractor, or maybe you do this "hang it in old pantyhose" thing. You denounce > me as "nuking my honey into a worthless sweet goo," but offer me nothing > better. So you tell me I am set in my ways and can't be educated through the > technique of denouncing what I do without providing any solid evidence that > what I do is so horrible or proposing a viable alternative. It is like a > religious argument. You, unfortunately, are rejecting a method I used for quite some time, before I got an extractor- that is the pantyhose method. It works very well and gets most of the honey. So we have offered you the best and you demand better. The better way is an extractor. There are cheap and do-it-yourself extractors you might want to use. If you do not accept this, the by all means, nuc your honey. I did, way back when, but you are missing out on the besy and settling for a lower grade of honey, one which would not pass muster in most countries. Check Jan's site for good info on heating honey. Bill Truesdell Article 27470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:11:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 29 12:11:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27470 In article <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: > In article <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, hcampb@my-deja.com says... > > > >In article <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > > >> However, if I can > >> find the source I'll post the link here. > >> > > > > Haven't found it yet but here is one I just discovered. > > > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/EnzThem.html > > Jerome's predictable response > Thank you. I looked at that and found it interesting, but mysterious. It features graphs that show a systematic change of something in the honey ... Well, yes it does! And when I discovered the site for the first time yesterday I actually read what was written there and was puzzled (as you were) about what this mysterious something could be. But unlike you I kept reading and worked my way on through until I found out what HMF is. Then today I see that Jorn Johanesson has provided the link to make it easy for us. I guess that's the difference between searching for truth and going at it with a mind that is already made up. As a result of my little bit of research I have decided to never again feed any heated honey to our bees. Thank you Jorn Johanesson. And thank you Jerome for causing me to do the research. You both have saved countless lives among our bees. My change of behavior means I learned something. BTW, even as I write this I've got two frames of honey leaning against each other in teepee fashion slowly draining through a screen into a stainless steel container below. I put them there yesterday with a plastic cover over them to keep bees, moths, etc out and plan to look at them today and turn them over. This may take several days to drain them but the honey will be worth the wait. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:22:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8th4qh$crh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 29 12:22:42 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27471 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > Nothing worst than an argument about religion, a heated debate on the > subject however..... > > Jerome, here is an alternative for you.... > > Now I'll let you argue you original statement- "If one runs just one or two hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal > extractor is not economical." Excellent presentation, George. BTW, Jerome, when you argue your original statement be sure and factor in the cost of electricity to operate the microwave. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teq3r$qub$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Well worth reading Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:16:22 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-MHydf35xtFtYovsB/n4UnlSp23t2DD1KzlK6bH6yKJzwPMLrNEKRvEaWogt8J7UB2ZA7MghZ0SZadsP!sD4KDg4swZYqQbPjL7Q39Wbp X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:15:27 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27472 It was just typed wrong. I found it at. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html It is very good reading. Mark "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8teq3r$qub$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2smart2late@my-deja.com says... > > > >EVERYONE should check this site. > >www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contactspage/articles.html > > When I attempt to open the above URL I get the message: > > Not Found > > The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is > either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you > have it. > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > Article 27473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:38:54 +0100 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8ti555$62n$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tee4q$ftc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tepot$qub$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8th469$cfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip58.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 972855269 6231 195.249.242.58 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27473 No need to thank me, it was just result of a simple search for HMF on the net :-) -- Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-2000 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Well worth reading Date: 30 Oct 2000 18:32:33 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8tkes1$ert$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teq3r$qub$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972930753 15229 128.173.176.162 (30 Oct 2000 18:32:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2000 18:32:33 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27474 In article , me@home.com says... > >It was just typed wrong. I found it at. >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html >It is very good reading. > >Mark > > >> In article <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2smart2late@my-deja.com says... >> > >> >EVERYONE should check this site. >> >www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contactspage/articles.html I agree. This is really excellent! I have bookmarked the site. Apparently this fellow uses the Midnite Bee exclusively. I used Midnites many years ago. I found them no more or less gentle than Italians and about equally productive. A plus is the beautiful white cappings they make. A negative is that they propolize excessively. Article 27475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teq3r$qub$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tkes1$ert$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Well worth reading Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:09:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.218.229.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 972932943 207.218.229.2 (Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:09:03 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:09:03 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27475 Hmm... my personal experience with Midnite bees was that they are extremely gentle. I worked them with no protection at all (just in my cut-off jeans)! The Midnites I got from Drapers Superbee did not propolize very much at all. maybe it was because they were in a top bar hive? just my 2 cents Jerome R. Long wrote in message news:8tkes1$ert$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article , me@home.com says... > > > >It was just typed wrong. I found it at. > >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html > >It is very good reading. > > > >Mark > > > > > >> In article <8tc5ta$nb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2smart2late@my-deja.com says... > >> > > >> >EVERYONE should check this site. > >> >www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contactspage/articles.html > > I agree. This is really excellent! I have bookmarked the site. > Apparently this fellow uses the Midnite Bee exclusively. I used Midnites > many years ago. I found them no more or less gentle than Italians and about > equally productive. A plus is the beautiful white cappings they make. A > negative is that they propolize excessively. > Article 27476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Cleaning frames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39FDBE76.909574CE@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <39F98F74.2C4EE017@nospam.boeing.com> <8tdp07$341$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:31:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27476 Peter Edwards wrote:
-  Excellent method of starting robbing and spreading disease.


So what is your method? 

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  Article 27477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE104E.DA85C0D4@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Round Supers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:21:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.94.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972951719 168.191.94.125 (Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:21:59 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:21:59 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27477 Saw an article (brief) on experiements with round supers....anybody know anything about these? Scott Article 27478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE1087.564F3A72@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying Bee Business Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:22:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.94.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972951776 168.191.94.125 (Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:22:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:22:56 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27478 I am looking at buying a bee business from a man who has a 400 hive commercial operation. Anyone have experience buying a business of this size? Scott Article 27479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE10BB.5F6B5FAF@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Best Honey? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:23:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.94.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972951827 168.191.94.125 (Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:23:47 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:23:47 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27479 What type of premium honey is considered the best, or the hardest to get? Scott Article 27480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers00@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Best Honey? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:41:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8tl815$l83$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39FE10BB.5F6B5FAF@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 31 01:07:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.96 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27480 >Scott G. Perry wrote: > What type of premium honey is considered the best, or the hardest to get? > Scott ****************************************************************************** Howdy Scott -- Everyong has their favorite. Mine happens to be Huajillo. Unfortunately it is also the hardest to get. If you want to make an effort, contact beekeepers in the Uvalde, Texas area. Pete **************************************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers00@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Bee Business Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:41:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8tlbhh$o4t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39FE1087.564F3A72@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 31 02:41:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27481 > Scott G. Perry"wrote: > I am looking at buying a bee business from a man who has a 400 hive > commercial operation. Anyone have experience buying a business of > this size? > > Scott ************************************************************ Howdy Scott -- The first thought which comes to my mind is a question. How much experience have you had with bees? Pete Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers00@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:41:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8tl817$l84$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 27 02:10:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.96 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27482 > "Robert Talk" wrote: > Many of my bees are outside the front entrance. Only a handful are fanning. > The others are mainly on the vertical side of the lower brood box facing > down toward the entrance. They are not fanning as their wings aren't moving. > Instead, they seem to be moving small amounts forward then backward then > forward then backward, etc. They have their heads down while doing this and > their front legs are moving around. What could they be doing? ***************************************************************************** Howdy Robert -- You will find this in the literature as "Washboard movement". No one seems to know for sure the reason. They appear to be scraping or polishing, but the surface does not change. This happens after the summer or fall flow when the population is large, but there is a dearth of nectar. Remember that these critters are workaholics. I think they are doing it from boredom. Kinda like caged or penned animals who pace constantly. I consider it a sign of a healthy colony. Pete ***************************************************************************** ************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers00@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning frames Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:42:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8tl819$l85$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 27 02:42:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.96 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27483 >Steven Newport wrote: > Being late in the season I was stuck so I took the super home and > immersed the frames in a sink of warm water and washed the stored > honey out. Does anybody have any comments on this? Did I do something worng? ******************************************************************************************* Howdy Steve -- That's a new twist, but doesn't sound too serious to me. Some folks store the combs wet (with honey) after extracting and feel that the bees will start using them quicker in the spring when they are placed on hives. In your case, I suggest allowing free air circulation through the supers in a warm room for a day or so to dry the water. Tlhen store them with PDB in the usual manner to prevent waxworm damage. Pete ***************************************************************************** ** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round Supers? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:50:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8tlc21$oj3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39FE104E.DA85C0D4@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 31 02:50:42 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27484 > Scott G. Perry" wrote: > Saw an article (brief) on experiements with round supers....anybody > know anything about these? > > Scott ******************************************************** Howdy Scott -- This is a new one on me. Could the reference have been about round sectlions in producing comb honey ? Pete So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE84EB.99527C96@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Bee Business References: <39FE1087.564F3A72@hotmail.com> <8tlbhh$o4t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:39:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.255.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972981575 168.191.255.142 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:39:35 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:39:35 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27485 Not that much. My experience is in packaging, marketing, etc. There are experienced beekeepers on the site. hrogers00@my-deja.com wrote: > > Scott G. Perry"wrote: > > I am looking at buying a bee business from a man who has a 400 hive > > commercial operation. Anyone have experience buying a business of > > this size? > > > > Scott > ************************************************************ > Howdy Scott -- > > The first thought which comes to my mind is a question. How much > experience have you had with bees? > > Pete > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE8534.55A31C5A@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Imported Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:40:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.255.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972981651 168.191.255.142 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:40:51 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:40:51 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27486 Some one told me that imported honeys can cause allergic reactions more readily than doemstic honey. Truth? Scott Article 27487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: 30 Oct 2000 16:28:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 77 Message-ID: <8tk7jp$9ct$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 972923321 9629 128.173.176.162 (30 Oct 2000 16:28:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2000 16:28:41 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27487 Thank you for a most interesting reply. Where can I get a centrifugal extractor for $100? In article , gstyer@worldnet.att.net says... > >Nothing worst than an argument about religion, a heated debate on the >subject however..... > >Jerome, here is an alternative for you. I confess that I have not myself >tried it, being the owner of an extractor but I see no reason why it would >not work and would probably be no more time consuming than your current >method. > >A salad spinner might do a fine job as a mini-extractor. You could probably >un-cap a frame and cut the comb in about 3" wide strips, spin them and then >turn them over. Maybe fit in a frame at a time. The downside is that you >lose your drawn comb, but you are losing that anyway. > >Now the economics. A good salad spinner will cost at least $20 USD. An >inexpensive new extractor will cost $100 USD. Lets assume you have 10 frames >to extract. You will have to replace the foundation each time and the bees >will consume about 8 lb. of honey/lb. of wax they must produce. This is >honey you could otherwise sell. I value my honey at $2.75 USD/lb >un-packaged. I am guessing that 10 medium frames contain about 10 oz. wax, >so I'll use .625 lb. > >Foundation 10 x .75 = $7.5 >Cost of honey .625 x 8 x 2.75 = $13.75 >Total cost $21.25 >Cost/frame $2.125 >Payback $100 / 2.125 = $47.06 frames > >You may disagree with the specific amounts used above, but if you substitute >your amounts the concept remains unchanged. You can come up with your own >cost/frame and determine the payback period. I will not attempt to assign a >value to your time for extracting vs your current method, but it has to be >worth something. I doubt you can argue that it is less time consuming to >process a frame using your method with the necessary labor of re-inserting >foundation each time than it is to use an extractor. > >For now I will not even argue the merits of drawn supers vs. foundation for >honey production and swarm reduction or the reluctance of bees to draw out >foundation above an excluder. > >Now I'll let you argue you original statement- "If one runs just one or two >hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal >extractor is not economical." >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > >"Jerome R. Long" wrote in message >news:8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... >> >> I would not have made the original post if I did not hope for >> something better. None of you guys have a practical alternative to what I >do. >> I suppose you are extractor owners or have a club or something with a >shared >> extractor, or maybe you do this "hang it in old pantyhose" thing. You >denounce >> me as "nuking my honey into a worthless sweet goo," but offer me nothing >> better. So you tell me I am set in my ways and can't be educated through >the >> technique of denouncing what I do without providing any solid evidence >that >> what I do is so horrible or proposing a viable alternative. It is like a >> religious argument. >> > > Article 27488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <39F9A9C4.DE51B28A@clinic.net> <8tecgg$ern$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8tk7jp$9ct$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Lines: 112 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:56:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 972924973 12.72.51.74 (Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:56:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:56:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27488 Dadant sells a plastic 2 frame tangential that is "imported from Asia" for $97.50 USD. It is in their 2000 catalog but not on their web site. If you can't get hold of a catalog, I can scan the page and send it to you if you like. I know some on the NG have used this and reported it as adequate for small-scale extracting. You might ask the NG for opinions. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:8tk7jp$9ct$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > Thank you for a most interesting reply. Where can I get a centrifugal > extractor for $100? > > In article , > gstyer@worldnet.att.net says... > > > >Nothing worst than an argument about religion, a heated debate on the > >subject however..... > > > >Jerome, here is an alternative for you. I confess that I have not myself > >tried it, being the owner of an extractor but I see no reason why it would > >not work and would probably be no more time consuming than your current > >method. > > > >A salad spinner might do a fine job as a mini-extractor. You could probably > >un-cap a frame and cut the comb in about 3" wide strips, spin them and then > >turn them over. Maybe fit in a frame at a time. The downside is that you > >lose your drawn comb, but you are losing that anyway. > > > >Now the economics. A good salad spinner will cost at least $20 USD. An > >inexpensive new extractor will cost $100 USD. Lets assume you have 10 frames > >to extract. You will have to replace the foundation each time and the bees > >will consume about 8 lb. of honey/lb. of wax they must produce. This is > >honey you could otherwise sell. I value my honey at $2.75 USD/lb > >un-packaged. I am guessing that 10 medium frames contain about 10 oz. wax, > >so I'll use .625 lb. > > > >Foundation 10 x .75 = $7.5 > >Cost of honey .625 x 8 x 2.75 = $13.75 > >Total cost $21.25 > >Cost/frame $2.125 > >Payback $100 / 2.125 = $47.06 frames > > > >You may disagree with the specific amounts used above, but if you substitute > >your amounts the concept remains unchanged. You can come up with your own > >cost/frame and determine the payback period. I will not attempt to assign a > >value to your time for extracting vs your current method, but it has to be > >worth something. I doubt you can argue that it is less time consuming to > >process a frame using your method with the necessary labor of re-inserting > >foundation each time than it is to use an extractor. > > > >For now I will not even argue the merits of drawn supers vs. foundation for > >honey production and swarm reduction or the reluctance of bees to draw out > >foundation above an excluder. > > > >Now I'll let you argue you original statement- "If one runs just one or two > >hives like myself the purchase of a centrifugal > >extractor is not economical." > >-- > >Geo > >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > >gstyLer@att.net > >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > > > >"Jerome R. Long" wrote in message > >news:8teoum$qub$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > >> > >> I would not have made the original post if I did not hope for > >> something better. None of you guys have a practical alternative to what I > >do. > >> I suppose you are extractor owners or have a club or something with a > >shared > >> extractor, or maybe you do this "hang it in old pantyhose" thing. You > >denounce > >> me as "nuking my honey into a worthless sweet goo," but offer me nothing > >> better. So you tell me I am set in my ways and can't be educated through > >the > >> technique of denouncing what I do without providing any solid evidence > >that > >> what I do is so horrible or proposing a viable alternative. It is like a > >> religious argument. > >> > > > > > Article 27489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE854B.21ED87B2@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQ List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:41:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.255.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972981671 168.191.255.142 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:41:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:41:11 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27489 Is there an FAQ for this newsgroup? Article 27490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separation by Microwave Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:29:42 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8tm65n$q8i$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw87.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 972987383 26898 62.188.8.81 (31 Oct 2000 10:16:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2000 10:16:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27490 Jerome R. Long wrote in message news:8t9dis$hdd$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article <8t0apf$n6$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu says... > > > >If one runs just one or two hives ....(long snip) ....considering buying a second hand > >microwave to use outside on an extension cord. > > > Thank you for all the responses. Unfortunately, they were exactly what I > expected and perhaps in error. 1.) I have not found the heated honey > subject to crystallization problems and have kept some for several years > without a problem. 2.) I detect no difference in flavor or color of the heated > versus unheated honey. 3.) About 50% of what I put in a wide mouth mason jar is > filled and capped comb and contains the miraculous and magical biochemical > ingredients alleged to be present (but never documented very well) in the > unheated honey. 4.) I am not cheating any customers as I do not sell any honey. > 5.) I suppose, to be consistent, that those of you who think the heated honey > is worthless sweet goo, will refrain from pressure canning produce. I would > really like to see some objective documentation of the incredible claims some > responders have made for the properties of honey. I am beginning to think that > honey snobs are worse than wine snobs. > With you all the way, Jerome! You are not alone in feeling this about the magical properties claimed for infinitesimal amounts of substances that have apparently no function in honey, being residual from either the nectars used or the bees doing the processing. There are a lot more enzymes in a handful of earth than in a jar of hney, and who says it's a god thing to eat enzymes, anyway? I regularly heat honey, often using a microwave, and have won many prizes with it, the latest this week. Martin MK UK. Article 27491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FE84A1.996AB0C2@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Round Supers? References: <39FE104E.DA85C0D4@hotmail.com> <8tlc21$oj3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:38:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.255.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 972981500 168.191.255.142 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:38:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:38:20 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27491 It came from a beekeeping journal. It was actually a round super, stacked just like a standard super, only it was round. Reportedly, had higher production. That is all I know. Article was written by a Ohio University professor. Pete wrote: > > Scott G. Perry" wrote: > > Saw an article (brief) on experiements with round supers....anybody > > know anything about these? > > > > Scott > ******************************************************** > > Howdy Scott -- > > This is a new one on me. Could the reference have been about round > sectlions in producing comb honey ? > > Pete > So Much to Learn -- so Little Time > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.rt.ru!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: BeeFarmer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: State Farm Commercial Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:51:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 31 14:51:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.100.169.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbee_keeper Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27492 I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? -- BeeFarmer Southeastern Ohio http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FF01F1.1054554E@hotmail.com> From: "Scott G. Perry" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:33:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.95.52 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973013595 168.191.95.52 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:33:15 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:33:15 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27493 Frankly, that was my main concern getting into this...and no two people have given the same response to the question. If I am going to get stung every day, I'll just stay in the chemical business. Scott Perry- BeeFarmer wrote: > I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have > to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know > about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? > -- > BeeFarmer > Southeastern Ohio > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FF055C.8B5F6328@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:46:04 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 973014333 209.248.4.136 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:45:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:45:33 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27494 BeeFarmer wrote: > > I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have > to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know > about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? Stung, not bitten - besides, it was a commercial, *not* a documentary - lighten up. AL Article 27495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tl817$l84$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: What are my bees doing? Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:55:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.162.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 973014944 209.30.162.72 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:55:44 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:55:44 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27495 Good to hear that it may be the sign of a healthy colony, because there are more and more doing it everyday now. It's becoming quite a crowd on the outside of the hive. Robert wrote in message news:8tl817$l84$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > "Robert Talk" wrote: > > Many of my bees are outside the front entrance. Only a handful are fanning. > > The others are mainly on the vertical side of the lower brood box facing > > down toward the entrance. They are not fanning as their wings aren't moving. > > Instead, they seem to be moving small amounts forward then backward then > > forward then backward, etc. They have their heads down while doing this and > > their front legs are moving around. What could they be doing? > **************************************************************************** * > > Howdy Robert -- > > You will find this in the literature as "Washboard movement". No one seems > to know for sure the reason. They appear to be scraping or polishing, but > the surface does not change. This happens after the summer or fall flow when > the population is large, but there is a dearth of nectar. > > Remember that these critters are workaholics. I think they are doing it > from boredom. Kinda like caged or penned animals who pace constantly. I > consider it a sign of a healthy colony. > > Pete > **************************************************************************** * > ************** > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF055C.8B5F6328@midwest.net> Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:18:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973019887 24.147.172.21 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:18:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:18:07 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27496 He doesn't say how long he's been keeping bees or getting stung but.. 30 years equals 10950 days 75000 divided by ... 6.8 times A DAY!! Ouch! Dave Article 27497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF055C.8B5F6328@midwest.net> Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:58:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.218.229.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 973025885 207.218.229.200 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:58:05 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:58:05 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27497 I've only been stung six times since June. At least two were my own fault. I hive one hive. Robert David Verville wrote in message news:PVEL5.10758$Cn4.101161@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > He doesn't say how long he's been keeping bees or getting stung but.. > > 30 years equals 10950 days > 75000 divided by ... > > 6.8 times A DAY!! > > Ouch! > > Dave > > > Article 27498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: 31 Oct 2000 21:24:59 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973027499 10748 128.173.176.162 (31 Oct 2000 21:24:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2000 21:24:59 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27498 My daughter in law is a doctor and my grandson is ten months old. I am told he cannot be fed any honey until he is at least three years old. The word botulism was mumbled. Can anyone enlighten me on this restriction? I thought honey had all these miraculous positive qualities (that are allegedly destroyed by heat). Article 27499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: 31 Oct 2000 21:40:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8tne7i$afs$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp13.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 973028402 10748 128.173.176.162 (31 Oct 2000 21:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2000 21:40:02 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27499 In article <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, BeeFarmer@Homestead.com says... > >I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have >to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know >about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? >-- >BeeFarmer >Southeastern Ohio >http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. A bee sting is no big deal unless it is on the face. I always wear my vail and am seldom stung. As many here will attest it makes a great deal of difference what the weather is when you go to work and of course how much you disturb the hive organization. I find I can usually interchange hive bodies, add or remove supers and stuff like that without being stung. If I decide to get into the brood chambers and hunt for the queen on a stormy cool morning then I will probably take a few stings on the hands. I think gloves are counterproductive. and I generally am wearing shorts and white tee shirt. My BIG GRIPE is that most people cannot tell a honey be from a yellow jacket wasp and ascribe the stings of those things to bees. Article 27500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!den-news-02.qwest.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader0.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how much cold can wax moths stand? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:49:07 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <39fe5d04$0$17367@wodc7nh0.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader0.news.uu.net 972971268 17367 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27500 I have my drawn supers stacked in the garage, sealed up against mice invasion etc., but no PDB or anything. (It's all honey comb, I've always cut out the brood sections when I extracted.) I figure that (being in the mountains of Colorado), it's already down to 30 degrees F each night, and any wax larvae will be killed by the cold. I don't seem to have any larvae in them anyway (there was only one webby spot when I extracted, and that was on a patch of brood that I cut out, and this was even after sitting in my house unextracted for a couple of weeks), but assuming I did - would these temperatures suffice for taking care of any wax moth problem? Also - if wet supers are given to the bees to clean out (above the inner cover), do they clean out any wax moth larvae that might be there too? If not, how long after extraction would moth damage begin to show up? Thanks for any input! Article 27501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39FF055C.8B5F6328@midwest.net> Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:37:29 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-j6ZUXpHIHWIMSS5GbX2XvyYLAF9FZHyYTN8rfHfLpUyXq0XppP3FiPmmDq7jSLgM+tMcrPaGfnYmyxa!khAa/MsgNuCjvze6ZMG/DhaY X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:37:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27501 SIX TIMES SINCE JUNE!!!!!! Aaaaaakkkkk!! Heaven Forbid if you had 200!!!!! J u s t ......... Kidding............. :-) Mark "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:xnGL5.1373$pq3.103165@news.flash.net... > I've only been stung six times since June. At least two were my own fault. I > hive one hive. > > Robert > > David Verville wrote in message > news:PVEL5.10758$Cn4.101161@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > > He doesn't say how long he's been keeping bees or getting stung but.. > > > > 30 years equals 10950 days > > 75000 divided by ... > > > > 6.8 times A DAY!! > > > > Ouch! > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > Article 27502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:27:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <39ff45cd.345821704@news1.radix.net> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27502 On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:51:13 GMT, BeeFarmer wrote: >I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have >to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know >about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? >-- >BeeFarmer Normam Gary is a rather pompus fellow to start with. He introduces himself as Dr. Gary and nick names himself "the bee wrangler". He does most of the bee stunts for Hollywood with no reguard as to the truthfulness about bees that he displays. While he may be a great sensationalist he does little for our industry except exploit it. It takes all kinds to make a world. beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:38:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973035492 24.147.172.21 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:38:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:38:12 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27503 I have heard 18 months is a good amount of time to wait, three years sounds like a long time. I have also heard that as soon as they're eating "big people" food its ok. Dave Article 27504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:30:35 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39FF642B.4DD0D561@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27504 http://www.honeycouncil.ca/chc-ccm/honey.html What your daughter in law is trying to say is that honey MIGHT contain spores that can cause infant botulism. What should be noted is that these spores are also found in many other items. I didn't give my son honey until he was past 12 months and eating solid baby food. I hadn't heard of waiting 3 years, just 12 months. From what I've researched the risk is minimal. However, there is a risk! Anyway I've attached a page you might find interesting. Hope this helps. Kent Stienburg Article 27505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: ellenjay@fan.net.au (Les Redding) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax processing Organization: Ellen Jay Health & Beauty Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: Les Message-ID: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:47:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.42.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 973035837 210.215.42.172 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:43:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:43:57 EST X-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:43:57 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27505 We are currently using beeswax in some of our processes, and find adding a relatively large (2 kg.) top-up amount of wax in one lump causes temperature instability that is rather hard to predict. The effects depend on factors such as the volume being added to, temperature / time at that temperature etc.. As we refine/process our own (local) wax, I figured if we can produce it in a pelletised ( read beads, pearls whatever), the top-up could be introduced with much more finesse. After much searching, I can find no information on making these pellets, and wonder if anyone here may be able to help. Thanks for your time, Les Redding Article 27506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39ff45cd.345821704@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:39:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.172.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 973035551 24.147.172.21 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:39:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:39:11 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27506 Is he really doctor? "beekeep" wrote in message news:39ff45cd.345821704@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:51:13 GMT, BeeFarmer > wrote: > > >I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have > >to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know > >about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? > >-- > >BeeFarmer > > Normam Gary is a rather pompus fellow to start with. He introduces > himself as Dr. Gary and nick names himself "the bee wrangler". He > does most of the bee stunts for Hollywood with no reguard as to the > truthfulness about bees that he displays. While he may be a great > sensationalist he does little for our industry except exploit it. It > takes all kinds to make a world. > > beekeep > > The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> Subject: Re: Beeswax processing Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:51:04 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-2yVVzCKx6Iqwsi4wIMnT5tUY1bIPHkZfXxu1jz4fPEQHcwwjE/nc7Qj4wb2tHhBmex4Vn+dFUFvO6c9!FIcsga19D1+cEimkpCHUlQ5u X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:51:06 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27507 Les, I don't know how old you are, but do you remember the old meat grinders that made hamburger. It came out in numerous strands. Seems like with little alteration, the wax could be made into strands that could be cut into small pellets as they it came out - with the right temperature control of course. What do you think? Might work! Mark "Les Redding" wrote in message news:39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au... > We are currently using beeswax in some of our processes, and find > adding a relatively large (2 kg.) top-up amount of wax in one lump > causes temperature instability that is rather hard to predict. The > effects depend on factors such as the volume being added to, > temperature / time at that temperature etc.. > > As we refine/process our own (local) wax, I figured if we can produce > it in a pelletised ( read beads, pearls whatever), the top-up could be > introduced with much more finesse. > > After much searching, I can find no information on making these > pellets, and wonder if anyone here may be able to help. > > Thanks for your time, > > Les Redding > > > > Article 27508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Grandson Cannot Have Honey Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:42:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <39ff6622.354096142@news1.radix.net> References: <8tndbb$afs$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27508 On 31 Oct 2000 21:24:59 GMT, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: >My daughter in law is a doctor and my grandson is ten months old. I am told he >cannot be fed any honey until he is at least three years old. The word botulism >was mumbled. Can anyone enlighten me on this restriction? I thought honey had >all these miraculous positive qualities (that are allegedly destroyed by heat). > You need to let their immune system build up. I fed both of mine honey when they were a year old. It was my honey not the store bought stuff that comes from God knows where, being handled by people without running water, in the middle of the jungle where they wipe their tails with leaves. Get my drift. beekeep The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:38:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <39ff65a5.353970414@news1.radix.net> References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39ff45cd.345821704@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27509 On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:39:11 GMT, "David Verville" wrote: >Is he really doctor? I think he has a doctorate in entomology beekeep > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:39ff45cd.345821704@news1.radix.net... >> On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:51:13 GMT, BeeFarmer >> wrote: >> >> >I saw a new commercial with a BeeKeeper and his bees. Why did he have >> >to say he had been bitten so much! Is that all anyone wants to know >> >about keeping bees? How many times you can get bitten? >> >-- >> >BeeFarmer >> >> Normam Gary is a rather pompus fellow to start with. He introduces >> himself as Dr. Gary and nick names himself "the bee wrangler". He >> does most of the bee stunts for Hollywood with no reguard as to the >> truthfulness about bees that he displays. While he may be a great >> sensationalist he does little for our industry except exploit it. It >> takes all kinds to make a world. >> >> beekeep >> >> The more people I meet the more I like my bees. > > The more people I meet the more I like my bees. Article 27510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax processing Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 01:48:55 GMT References: <39ff5813.6685022@news.asiaonline.net.au> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20001031204855.02408.00000776@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27510 Since you are refining your own beeswax, why not pre-melt it into smaller batches then break it up into manageable sizes for later use? This could be done by melting it into half inch, or one inch, deep containers. Freeze it to help make it a bit more brittle, then break it up with a hammer, jig saw, circular saw or something like that? Good luck. Article 27511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: crystallized honey Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 01:53:05 GMT References: <20001026233306.22471.00000163@ng-ct1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001031205305.07702.00000443@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27511 I've heard it crystallized at temp. 57F. Kitchen would be best place. Article 27512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee requeen them self Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 02:08:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001031210819.07702.00000457@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27512 HI guys, This is just early head start. How does u let the bee requeen them self? Normal killing old queen before 12 month up? As what time of the yr. would be the best as the East coast? Va. Thanks. Tim Article 27513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20001031210819.07702.00000457@ng-bk1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee requeen them self Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:30:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 973045804 206.130.189.233 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:30:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:30:04 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27513 Take my advice and don't do it! This will start a real argument, but we have been doing a great deal of work in this area and it is our considered opinion that the quality of your stock will go down with a bang. Give it 4-5 generation changes and you won't recognise them as your bees. Drop by our web site and have a read! If you still insist. Nip her out when there is time for the bees to replace her. Takes about a month in total, and all that time your hive is in decline. Hardly seems worth the risk to save just the price of a good hamburger and fries. Regards Dave...-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20001031210819.07702.00000457@ng-bk1.aol.com... > HI guys, > This is just early head start. How does u let the bee requeen them self? > Normal killing old queen before 12 month up? As what time of the yr. would be > the best as the East coast? Va. Thanks. > Tim Article 27514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spiders Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 02:00:46 GMT References: <59ahvs8egj73v7r8r3ar2reqejqkir0qtk@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001031210046.07702.00000451@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27514 Be careful when lift the lid, I have BlackWidow under the edge of the cover. Good things I wore gloves. Article 27515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee's Magazines Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 2000 02:21:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20001031212138.07702.00000461@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27515 Hi, I would like to order a great year round ( 12 month) Bee's Magazines for my Father birthday this coming next month which I think it would be a great ideas.. He is retired and he got 9 bee's hive. He still use old fash style. Me, I like to keep update of all the new stuff. Most of the time he would talk me out of it and sometime I win and sometime I lose. I have never seen him so excite when I give him one of my Bushmountain Catolog. I'm telling he could almost crying. This yr. I bough him 4 box of Apis.strips to save his bees and when feed them med. early Fall. Tim Article 27516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Daniels" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:15:11 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.82 X-Trace: news4.atl 973048512 209.214.198.82 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:15:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:15:12 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27516 Is it Aye'-pis, ap'-is, or something else? Is it mel-lif'-er-a, mel-i-fer'-a, or something else? TIA, Bill Article 27517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ne.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39FFA632.AB58F688@yahoo.com> From: "Rev. Mike Martin" Organization: Crescent Moon Computers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: State Farm Commercial References: <8tmm8u$on4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8tne7i$afs$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:12:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.22.131.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ne.home.com 973055545 24.22.131.116 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:12:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:12:25 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27517 "Jerome R. Long" wrote: > > A bee sting is no big deal unless it is on the face. I always wear my vail and I was stung this summer on the outside of my left eyebrow... it swelled VERY little and didn't really bother me the next morning. (I was moving a hive, lifting it off the truck without a veil when my brother let the super slide a bit... a bee came out of the crack, drove HARD into my forehead and stung my eyebrow... BANG! ;) ouch) > am seldom stung. As many here will attest it makes a great deal of difference > what the weather is when you go to work and of course how much you disturb the I OPENED two of my top bar hives on a crappy day (overcast, cool, no honey flow at ALL) and got stung 6 times in about 10 minutes, that sucked. > probably take a few stings on the hands. I think gloves are counterproductive. > and I generally am wearing shorts and white tee shirt. I also wear no gloves, most of my stings are on my forearms and stomach. (through my t-shirt) Rev. Mike -- Lord Hrothgar the Smith Rev. Mike Martin http://members.home.net/mmartin139 http://setiathome.ssl.berkely.edu/ [32WU/729hrs] Article 27518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl> Subject: Re: How to pronounce "apis mellifera"? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:45:38 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.182 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 973056967 209.100.115.182 (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:36:07 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:36:07 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27518 "Bill Daniels" wrote in message news:4VLL5.5018$M85.43440@news4.atl... > Is it Aye'-pis, ap'-is, or something else? This one is Latin, and I think it should be pronounced with the acsent on the (i) ap(i)s and it means bee. > Is it mel-lif'-er-a, mel-i-fer'-a, or something else? This one is from Greek and is made from 2 words meli with the accent on the (e) m(e)li which means honey, and the 2nd word is from fero with the accent on the (e) f(e)ro which means I carry. If you put both words together it is pronounced with the accent on the (i) mel(i)-fera and it means honey-carrier. Apis melifera=honey-carrier bee. Hope this helps.