Article 31089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03> Subject: Re: skunk problem Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:58:29 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.134.136 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 1001960976 212.137.134.136 (Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:29:36 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:29:36 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31089 Interesting! I have had a problem with rats in one apiary - they chewed away the front of the floor to gain access and then destroyed everything inside - and was thinking of nailing carpet gripper along the front of the floor. Anyone had any experience of using it? "Serving Small Business, Inc" wrote in message news:#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03... > I have heard of people using tack strips for carpeting. Put a couple of > rows of those on the ground in front of hive and the skunks won't like to > step on those very sharp nails. > > Donn > > > "alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria" wrote in message > news:9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > > Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? > > > > > > Article 31090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 18:58:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1001962731 24.248.135.205 (Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:58:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:58:51 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31090 If you try to get them after dark they will fly at a light source so do not use a flashlight. David "Ralph" wrote in message news:trh9jvi65o6lb5@corp.supernews.com... > OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that > yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, > although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out > how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! > > Article 31091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: 1 Oct 2001 13:42:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <700de225.0110011242.360d33bc@posting.google.com> References: <20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.69.193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1001968955 903 127.0.0.1 (1 Oct 2001 20:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 2001 20:42:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31091 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote in message news:<20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com>... > From: "Petroglyph" perna@ilhawaii.net > > >Protea farmers in my area are experience crop destruction from honey bees. > >Protea are a sweet flower originating in South Africa. One type is called > >Sugar Bush (Repens). Is there a safe method to repel bees without affecting > >neighboring farmers who need pollination? > > I'm puzzled as to how the bees could damage the plant?? I searched a > couple papers on Protea culture, and they did not mention bees as a pest. Just > what kind of damage do they do? > (snip) Could this be like the damage that bees do to broad bean flowers (favas in the US I think) in that the flowers are so shaped so that only one of the bumble bees can effectively get access to the nectar glands from the flower front, but the honey bees learn to go in from the back and bite through the flower to get at the nectar. Rob Article 31092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:46:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31092 Thanks for the tip! According to instructions on the can, I can spray the chemical down the hole at dawn or dusk when they are inactive. I'll be sure there's enough light to see. "David" wrote in message news:L13u7.13131$Ef.1002181@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > If you try to get them after dark they will fly at a light source so do not > use a flashlight. > > David > > "Ralph" wrote in message > news:trh9jvi65o6lb5@corp.supernews.com... > > OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that > > yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, > > although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out > > how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! > > > > > > > Article 31093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:25:07 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa6g5bhpc6tNLLBkgihban+pEbjmUNPNw9UFQ4Hdscs4rF8CXtboMjq X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2001 02:25:04 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31093 > OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that > yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, > although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out > how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! If you are in a state that gets below freezing, these yellow jackets will soon be dead anyway. If you must kill them now, soapy water is the best killer out there and it's cheap. Mix 1/2 cup of liquid dish soap to a gallon of water. Of course you need to make contact with the hornets for this solution to be effective. You might give it a try first before going the chemical route. You might find this of interest. http://www.longpestcontrol.com/bees.html Regards, Barry Illinios, USA barry@birkey.com BioBee archives: http://www.bee-l.com/bioarchive/index.htm Article 31094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BB9AB1E.36727383@rapidnet.com> From: Greg Reply-To: gregm@rapidnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:55:12 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.11.168 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1002023657 208.34.11.168 (Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:54:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:54:17 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31094 http://doacs.state.fl.us/~pi/plantinsp/aethinanew.htm Bill Hughes wrote: > > Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. Article 31095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BB9AA3F.99B39EA8@rapidnet.com> From: Greg Reply-To: gregm@rapidnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:51:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.11.168 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1002023433 208.34.11.168 (Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:50:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:50:33 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31095 http://www.msstate.edu/Entomology/Beekeeping/smallhivebeetles.htm Bill Hughes wrote: > > Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. Article 31124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!nt1esc2.esc2.NET!not-for-mail From: !Jones Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:55:49 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3b946c01.34848204@news.mindspring.com> <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nt1esc2.esc2.net (216.63.217.252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002372624 19890555 216.63.217.252 (16 [71507]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3256 alt.guns:1854 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31124 alt.politics:396359 alt.politics.bush:422864 alt.society.liberalism:776786 On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:18:30 -0500, in alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Jones, we're waiting for your description. > >C.K. Description of what? The reference is to a "war story" about how I was once working on a helicopter in Vietnam and mistook bees for bullets or visa versa... I'd only been in country for a week or so at the time. I was saying, "There's BEES up here!" when someone pointed out that they probably weren't bees and maybe I should get down. A projectile can produce any number of sounds depending on its velocity, size and whether or not it's tumbling laterally. A bullet could certainly be perceived as a "buzz" near the limit of its range after it had lost velocity. For example: I heard one once that went, "Oh oooh! Oh BABY! Oh my GOD!" but I suspect that was an exception rather than the rule. Jones Article 31125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Oct 2001 17:11:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Message-ID: <20011006131102.10376.00000609@mb-bg.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31125 Bullets sound different after they start to tumble. Best not to be shot at. Article 31126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 19:11:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 1002395492 65.13.109.136 (Sat, 06 Oct 2001 12:11:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 12:11:32 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31126 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:340 I remember something I read, I believe in "American Bee Journal" that bees are attracted to on of the chemicals people put in their spas. I think it was bromide? You may want to check this out. Dave "Jeff Lea" wrote in message news:jtgi7.6222$Ib.732496@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > For the last several weeks honeybees have been eagerly finding their way > into my outdoor spa through the folding seams in the spa cover. They stay > in there and die, causing some cleanup hassle but, mainly, I hate to see > them expire for no reason. We don't use any perfume in the spa nor does > anyone use it with more than the mildest of scents. Chlorine is about it. > > Any suggestions? > > Article 31127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Giggles" Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters References: <3b946c01.34848204@news.mindspring.com> <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.254.135.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1002418450 ST000 63.254.135.59 (Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:34:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:34:10 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_@SR@TSZUQLD\GS_DM^\BZJ]T@FLNLBWLOOAFQATJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 01:34:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3257 alt.guns:1856 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31127 alt.politics:396779 alt.politics.bush:423491 alt.society.liberalism:777262 And this story is appearing in the Bee Gees newsgroup why? Are you planning on shooting the Bee Gees and wonder what it will sound like to them? !Jones wrote in message ... >On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:18:30 -0500, in >alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Charlie Kroeger > wrote: > >>Jones, we're waiting for your description. >> >>C.K. > >Description of what? The reference is to a "war story" about how I >was once working on a helicopter in Vietnam and mistook bees for >bullets or visa versa... I'd only been in country for a week or so at >the time. I was saying, "There's BEES up here!" when someone pointed >out that they probably weren't bees and maybe I should get down. > >A projectile can produce any number of sounds depending on its >velocity, size and whether or not it's tumbling laterally. A bullet >could certainly be perceived as a "buzz" near the limit of its range >after it had lost velocity. > >For example: I heard one once that went, "Oh oooh! Oh BABY! Oh my >GOD!" but I suspect that was an exception rather than the rule. > >Jones Article 31128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!204.31.215.198!not-for-mail From: !Jones Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:53:07 -0500 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.31.215.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002423528 20929998 204.31.215.198 (16 [71507]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3258 alt.guns:1857 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31128 alt.politics:396813 alt.politics.bush:423539 alt.society.liberalism:777298 On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 01:34:11 GMT, "Giggles" wrote: >And this story is appearing in the Bee Gees newsgroup why? Are you planning >on shooting the Bee Gees and wonder what it will sound like to them? Damn! Are those guys still around? I used to listen to them in *high school* in '66... I didn't think that they were much good then and I haven't changed my opinion after having to put up with disco. All in all, I guess they beat rap. I guess someone posted a discussion of bees to the Bee Gees group. Hey, anyone can make a mistake, you know. We're sorry. Pardon the fuck out of us, please. Jones > > >!Jones wrote in message ... >>On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:18:30 -0500, in >>alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Charlie Kroeger >> wrote: >> >>>Jones, we're waiting for your description. >>> >>>C.K. >> >>Description of what? The reference is to a "war story" about how I >>was once working on a helicopter in Vietnam and mistook bees for >>bullets or visa versa... I'd only been in country for a week or so at >>the time. I was saying, "There's BEES up here!" when someone pointed >>out that they probably weren't bees and maybe I should get down. >> >>A projectile can produce any number of sounds depending on its >>velocity, size and whether or not it's tumbling laterally. A bullet >>could certainly be perceived as a "buzz" near the limit of its range >>after it had lost velocity. >> >>For example: I heard one once that went, "Oh oooh! Oh BABY! Oh my >>GOD!" but I suspect that was an exception rather than the rule. >> >>Jones > Article 31129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.ccs.neu.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.224!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:03:48 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> References: <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002427430 20368217 216.167.143.224 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3259 alt.guns:1859 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31129 alt.politics:396879 alt.politics.bush:423630 alt.society.liberalism:777359 >Description of what? I didn't think you knew. Just a shitbird. C.K. Article 31130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!acad6612.ipt.aol.COM!not-for-mail From: "\"The One\" & only Neo" <"TheOne"Neo@theMatrix.com> Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:10:13 +0100 Organization: Scum Haters Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9pouvl$i5djb$1@ID-100995.news.dfncis.de> References: <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> Reply-To: "\"The One\" & only Neo" <"TheOne"Neo@theMatrix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acad6612.ipt.aol.com (172.173.102.18) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002438454 19052139 172.173.102.18 (16 [100995]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3260 alt.guns:1860 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31130 alt.politics:396975 alt.politics.bush:423791 alt.society.liberalism:777487 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com... > >Description of what? > > I didn't think you knew. > > Just a shitbird. Be still my beating heart..... such language. Go get you mom to wash your mouth out with soap, sweet child. Neo Article 31131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!204.31.215.41!not-for-mail From: !Jones Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 07:56:12 -0500 Lines: 63 Message-ID: <0hj0stgj974j6v75besrlg0g8c48pg4h64@4ax.com> References: <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.31.215.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002459716 21051825 204.31.215.41 (16 [71507]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3261 alt.guns:1861 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31131 alt.politics:397012 alt.politics.bush:423892 alt.society.liberalism:777543 On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:03:48 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>Description of what? > >I didn't think you knew. > >Just a shitbird. Well, Charlie... there's *really* no such thing as a shitbird in the scientific world. There are birds that live by following grazing animal heards lending the mistaken notion that they are interested in the dung. Your reference is usually known as Cowbird and there exist several varities. Cowbirds adopted a strategy of laying their eggs in the nests of other birds so they could be free to follow wandering buffalo herds. As a result, they became referred to as nomadic parasites. Of course, they followed the buffalo, because the large bison herds stirred up lots of insects for these birds to feed on. So eventually, the cowbird worked out a strategy of laying its eggs for other birds to raise, enabling it to follow the bison and not go hungry. Nature has endowed the cowbird with wondrous characteristics. Because its eggs require a short incubation period, they hatch in only 11 or 12 days, which is a day or two sooner than most bird eggs. But the trick is, the cowbird has to add her eggs to the nest at the same time the would be foster parent is laying her eggs. So female cowbirds watch other birds from high perches, to determine if its egg laying time. Then, the cowbirds flies in and deposits her egg into the nest. Because the cowbird▓s egg is general in appearance, it matches the eggs of many host birds, like warblers, sparrows, finches, cardinals, and others. And although the cowbird is larger than most host birds it uses, her eggs are relatively small, and this also is a factor in why the cowbird is successful. Cowbird chicks grow quickly because they gobble up most of the food the foster parents bring, resulting in the parents▓ own young to perish, either from starvation, or being pushed from the nest. When the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth Rock, they also brought with them some of their cattle. The cowbirds found the cattle a great substitute for the bison, and as a result, the range of cowbirds expanded. This move provided the cowbird with many more hosts. Hosts that were poor at detecting cowbird eggs in their nests. The eastern bluebird often raises cowbirds, at the expense of their own young, while the western and mountain bluebird, because of their long association with cowbirds, had more time to evolve anti-cowbird tactics. Fragmented forestation, because of growing cities and towns, has increased the forest's edge, where cowbirds thrive. It▓s easy for cowbirds to detect nests in that kind of situation, and that has been devastating to some bird populations, such as wood thrushes, but a boon to cowbird populations. So the expansion of their range, plus the cowbird▓s finding even more suckers to raise its young, has been the result. Have I answered your question? Jones Article 31132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nigel Brooks" Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters References: <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> <0hj0stgj974j6v75besrlg0g8c48pg4h64@4ax.com> Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2u0w7.292$t3.13129@eagle.america.net> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:42:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.216.239 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1002476542 65.224.216.239 (Sun, 07 Oct 2001 13:42:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 13:42:22 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3262 alt.guns:1863 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31132 alt.politics:397123 alt.politics.bush:424147 alt.society.liberalism:777726 "!Jones" wrote in message news:0hj0stgj974j6v75besrlg0g8c48pg4h64@4ax.com... > On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:03:48 -0500, Charlie Kroeger > wrote: > > >>Description of what? > > > >I didn't think you knew. > > > >Just a shitbird. > > Well, Charlie... there's *really* no such thing as a shitbird in the > scientific world. There are birds that live by following grazing > animal heards lending the mistaken notion that they are interested in > the dung. Your reference is usually known as Cowbird and there exist > several varities. > > Cowbirds adopted a strategy of laying their eggs in the nests of other > birds so they could be free to follow wandering buffalo herds. As a > result, they became referred to as nomadic parasites. Of course, they > followed the buffalo, because the large bison herds stirred up lots of > insects for these birds to feed on. So eventually, the cowbird worked > out a strategy of laying its eggs for other birds to raise, enabling > it to follow the bison and not go hungry. > > Nature has endowed the cowbird with wondrous characteristics. Because > its eggs require a short incubation period, they hatch in only 11 or > 12 days, which is a day or two sooner than most bird eggs. But the > trick is, the cowbird has to add her eggs to the nest at the same time > the would be foster parent is laying her eggs. So female cowbirds > watch other birds from high perches, to determine if its egg laying > time. Then, the cowbirds flies in and deposits her egg into the nest. > > Because the cowbird's egg is general in appearance, it matches the > eggs of many host birds, like warblers, sparrows, finches, cardinals, > and others. And although the cowbird is larger than most host birds it > uses, her eggs are relatively small, and this also is a factor in why > the cowbird is successful. > > Cowbird chicks grow quickly because they gobble up most of the food > the foster parents bring, resulting in the parents' own young to > perish, either from starvation, or being pushed from the nest. > > When the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth Rock, they also brought with > them some of their cattle. The cowbirds found the cattle a great > substitute for the bison, and as a result, the range of cowbirds > expanded. This move provided the cowbird with many more hosts. Hosts > that were poor at detecting cowbird eggs in their nests. > > The eastern bluebird often raises cowbirds, at the expense of their > own young, while the western and mountain bluebird, because of their > long association with cowbirds, had more time to evolve anti-cowbird > tactics. > > Fragmented forestation, because of growing cities and towns, has > increased the forest's edge, where cowbirds thrive. It's easy for > cowbirds to detect nests in that kind of situation, and that has been > devastating to some bird populations, such as wood thrushes, but a > boon to cowbird populations. So the expansion of their range, plus the > cowbird's finding even more suckers to raise its young, has been the > result. > > Have I answered your question? > > Jones Absolutely fascinating! Now do these "foster" birds adopt the characteristics and practices of their foster parents and foster siblings? I mean, if a cowbird selects the nest of a waterfowl to be a substitute parent, do the offspring adapt to water? And what about child support? Brooks Article 31133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!nntp.msen.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ross Round Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:38:31 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9prb2a$5mp$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.04.bd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 8 Oct 2001 04:46:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31133 What is the current wholesale and retail prices on Ross Round Cobana honey combs ? Article 31134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "new2" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:25:00 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 86 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31134 Hi, I try to be prudent, about buying bee stuff, but I got caught up in the logic of nine frame hives, and ordered what turned out to be a 3" X 8"(?) box. tightly full of nine frame rabbets . They were the worst mistake I've made buying bee supplies, so far ! You can't just push a frame over, to start working a hive, you've got to pull each frame separately . They are glued in, so tightly, that it not-only requires a frame grabber, but it's got to be the rod type, with the edge that bites into the wood . The friend I've got helping me do extracting, refused to work the nine frame supers, and I'm glad she made the task "priority". Took me three days to pull them all out, and I will NEVER make that mistake again ! I once offered them for free; and no one took me up on it . Kinda tells the story right there . Anyway, I paid not-much less than a buck apiece (I forget) . If you want them; make me an offer; you're paying shipping; and I'll try to recoup as much of my bad buying choice, as I'm willing to do . I'm not going to give them away, maybe I can figure out a way to convert them into the old style, "humped" rabbets that I like . Fair warning, they're best applied, if they get turned into someone's idea of "Fine Art". Ken . "Kent Stienburg" wrote in message news:tmepu2m3p6qi2f@corp.supernews.com. .. > Hi Jim, > > I've weighed both 9 and 10 and they are very close to the same. So the > advantage is you can do a bit less work for the same amount of honey. > Another benifit is you can pull frames out from any spot with the 9, unlike > the 10 were you have to remove a frame before you can begin an inspection. I > only reduce the number of frames in the honey supers though and not from the > nest. > > Kent Stienburg > Kingston Ontario Canada > > Article 31135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "new2" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question Beehives Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:40:28 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BD38298@MailAndNews.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 79 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31135 Hi, I started with one; and that was a mistake . If you really know that you want to get into beekeeping, then three, or four would be an absolute minimum, and I really think that something like seven would be a sensible minimum . You need to be able to see, if a hive is getting weak, and if it might just be a bad time, or a bad season, and they're all a bit down . Put them high enough, to make it as inconvenient for mice, and low enough for y'all to pick up a hundred pound super . One watch-out, a skunk will locate a hive; and live off eating the bees, till it wipes out a hive . Good luck, I think EVERYBODY ought to have bees, but nothing is free . A "honeymaker" bee suit, is expensive, but a "must", as far as I'm concerned . Two hive tools are cheap, and for me, they're a necessity; I constantly misplace the one I'm working with . Other than that; ask somebody who is doing better than I've done this rotten year . Ken . "Nicole Seal" wrote in message news:3BD38298@MailAndNews.com... > I would like to start beekeeping, how many hives do I need and where do you > buy them from please. > > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: > http://MailAndNews.com > > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "new2" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question Beehives Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:39:49 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BD38298@MailAndNews.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 79 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31136 Hi, I started with one; and that was a mistake . If you really know that you want to get into beekeeping, then three, or four would be an absolute minimum, and I really think that something like seven would be a sensible minimum . You need to be able to see, if a hive is getting weak, and if it might just be a bad time, or a bad season, and they're all a bit down . Put them high enough, to make it as inconvenient for mice, and low enough for y'all to pick up a hundred pound super . One watch-out, a skunk will locate a hive; and live off eating the bees, till it wipes out a hive . Good luck, I think EVERYBODY ought to have bees, but nothing is free . A "honeymaker" bee suit, is expensive, but a "must", as far as I'm concerned . Two hive tools are cheap, and for me, they're a necessity; I constantly misplace the one I'm working with . Other than that; ask somebody who is doing better than I've done this rotten year . Ken . "Nicole Seal" wrote in message news:3BD38298@MailAndNews.com... > I would like to start beekeeping, how many hives do I need and where do you > buy them from please. > > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: > http://MailAndNews.com > > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.ukr.net!news.donbass.net!news.taide.net!master.ITCOM.net.ua From: "postmost" <2@2.2> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: анекдот Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:07:29 +0300 Organization: Taide Network AS Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3bc2769b@master.ITCOM.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.220.130.34 X-Trace: ally.taide.net 1002600298 21526 193.220.130.34 (9 Oct 2001 04:04:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.taide.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 2001 04:04:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.220.128.125 X-Original-Trace: 9 Oct 2001 07:01:31 +0300, 193.220.128.125 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31137 Разговор двух пчеловодов: -Ты доволен своими пчелами -Очень -что, много меда накачал? -Нет, но зато перекусали всех соседей... Article 31138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC2A58B.1083D646@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <9pkv2f$gah2@news.vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:21:47 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1002612009 194.37.60.57 (Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:20:09 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:20:09 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31138 Was the "Small-Hive-Beetle" already found in Spain and(or) the South of France? Wurde der "kleine Stockkaefer" schon in Spanien und(oder)Suedfrankreich gefunden? Can anybody give an exact information? Martin-Paul Broennimann schrieb: > please spell out your question moe precisely > > It is a rumor! > > Is there the SHB in Spain or the South of France? > > Can anybody give an exact information? -- mfg. Ernst HЭttinger Article 31139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "mark" From: "mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: frozen honey.. help! Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:25:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 160.84.80.2 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon2.gnilink.net 1002637549 160.84.80.2 (Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:25:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:25:49 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31139 help! i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process ruin the honey???? temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey supers.. g8 Article 31140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:51:38 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9pv2ts$ksr8h$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002639100 21916945 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31140 I would warm them up and extract them if you can in the next few days! If you can't warm them up soon I would place them in a freezer until you can get to them to warm up and extract. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > Article 31141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:08:00 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9pvavl$6f7@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p44.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31141 once th bees have left because of the cold, take them into a nice warm place and extract... -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 GenХve Suisse tИl. portable 0041 78 6272967 "mark" a Иcrit dans le message de news: NNDw7.1$416.1843@typhoon2.gnilink.net... > help! > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey > supers.. > > g8 > > Article 31142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: is302122.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BC33658.9F0491B1@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Reply-To: Billy.Y.Smart@boeing.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:39:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31142 IF the honey is still on the hives then it probably isn't frozen. The colony is warm and warm air rises... If you take the supers off and extract immediately the honey will probably be warm enough to spin right out. Otherwise you can warm them in a stack with a light bulb underneath overnight. Don't put any of those meds on until you get the supers off. Billy Smart Rock, KS mark wrote: > > help! > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey > supers.. > > g8 Article 31143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Billy Smart Subject: Heat Gun as Uncapper X-Nntp-Posting-Host: is302122.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BC338D7.D6950C18@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Reply-To: Billy.Y.Smart@boeing.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:50:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31143 Group, Used a heat gun this time to do my uncapping and found that it worked fairly well. Found that not all the cells would open up with molten wax re-coagulating to cover the cell - but this was a small percentage of cells, approx. 5%. I think the losses higher in cappings using a heated knife. Another advantage is that there were no cappings to deal with, no capping tank and no heated, inferior honey to get rid of. Sped the extraction process a lot. Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 21:41:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3bc36ed4.90946114@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31144 On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:25:49 GMT, "mark" wrote: >help! > >i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication >in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. >YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives >through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > >the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen >honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. >then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process >ruin the honey???? > >temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there >with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally >made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey >supers.. > >g8 > > HONEY DON"T FREEZE! beekeep Article 31145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:12:43 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002669166 21132918 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31145 and to add to the others, don't treat the wax until you extract the honey. Otherwise, count on burning the bunch, as the honey will be contaminated and will probably even kill bees if fed back to them. -K "mark" wrote in message news:NNDw7.1$416.1843@typhoon2.gnilink.net... > help! > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey > supers.. > > g8 > > Article 31146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002714786 22260251 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31146 Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. Thanks! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "KOland" wrote in message news:9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > and to add to the others, don't treat the wax until you extract the honey. > Otherwise, count on burning the bunch, as the honey will be contaminated and > will probably even kill bees if fed back to them. > > -K > > "mark" wrote in message > news:NNDw7.1$416.1843@typhoon2.gnilink.net... > > help! > > > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod > honey. > > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that > frozen > > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation > process > > ruin the honey???? > > > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that > finally > > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the > honey > > supers.. > > > > g8 > > > > > > Article 31147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:22:06 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9q1i20$lu5mh$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> <9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002720128 23008977 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31147 You would dispute that after treating the honey by fumigating with paradichlorobenzine, that it would kill bees? Just putting the treated wax on the bees and not letting them air out sufficiently will do that. With the honey on, how will you air them out for 2-3 weeks without the bees being exposed to the chemical? (or, if you keep your bees more than 6 miles from you airing out area, from killing all the local insects that like to rob out the stored honey). Or, that the honey is then ruined for human consumption once treated? If you cared to relese it to the unsuspecting public, it is at the least illegal to do so after an off-label use of the chemical (which is for treating wax, not supers full of honey). K Oland Article 31148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:34:49 -0400 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9q1mab$ljpqs$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> <9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9q1i20$lu5mh$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002724492 22669148 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31148 I was hoping you could point me to the source of that information as it appeared to be a bit different to what I have read. It is interesting that there are many beekeepers that store dry supers, wet supers, and green honey over the winter prior to the next spring feeding or honey flow that during storage use paradichlorobenzine. I guess what really got my attention was don't know of anyone that has had to burn their equipment due to the use of paradichlorobenzine. I don't recall disputing anything just wanted to know where you got your facts. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "KOland" wrote in message news:9q1i20$lu5mh$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > You would dispute that after treating the honey by fumigating with > paradichlorobenzine, that it would kill bees? Just putting the treated wax > on the bees and not letting them air out sufficiently will do that. With > the honey on, how will you air them out for 2-3 weeks without the bees being > exposed to the chemical? (or, if you keep your bees more than 6 miles from > you airing out area, from killing all the local insects that like to rob out > the stored honey). > > Or, that the honey is then ruined for human consumption once treated? If > you cared to relese it to the unsuspecting public, it is at the least > illegal to do so after an off-label use of the chemical (which is for > treating wax, not supers full of honey). > > K Oland > > Article 31149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:36:27 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGAkC5kY+efVEhrsrjkdWxnPGGVqjSuPn5bJ7Fu8kmXVTlTeIU+5aG X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 14:36:26 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31149 Start here: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm > From: "BeeFarmer" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! > > Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the > bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you > have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. > > Thanks! Article 31150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:08:05 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9q1o9b$lfgfk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002726508 22528500 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31150 Thanks for your info, it was confort to find out there wasn't any instructions to burn equipment when using Paradichiorobeuzene (PDCB). I am aware that you need to air out equipment before placing it back on the hive. It was the burning part that confused me. BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B7E9C71A.5D97%barry@birkey.com... > Start here: > http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm > > > From: "BeeFarmer" > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 > > Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! > > > > Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the > > bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you > > have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. > > > > Thanks! > Article 31151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!starship.infonie.fr!vulcain.infosources.fr!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:19:36 +0200 Organization: Infonie Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: remus.infonie.fr X-Trace: vulcain.infosources.fr 1002741036 3619 212.232.33.73 (10 Oct 2001 19:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@infosources.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 19:10:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Cache-Post-Path: remus.infonie.fr!unknown@195.242.80.63 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31151 Hello everybody, I never heard about any SHB reported in south of France were I am living. Unfortunately I feel not confident we will miss that pest for a long time..;-(( apipop (Montpellier south of France) "Ernst Huettinger" a Иcrit dans le message news: 3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at... > Hello beekeepers, > > It is a rumor! > Is there the SHB in Spain or the South of France? > Can anybody give an exact information? > > -- > mfg. > Ernst HЭttinger > > http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen oder http://www.i-net.at/oeib > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at > BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde > Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ > A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 > priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Article 31152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:04:14 -0300 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com> References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 1002744161 23190 129.173.88.206 (10 Oct 2001 20:02:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31152 What is the current status of the SHB in the US? Is it a real problem or under control? Ulli apipop wrote: > Hello everybody, > I never heard about any SHB reported in south of France were I am living. > Unfortunately I feel not confident we will miss that pest for a long > time..;-(( > apipop (Montpellier south of France) > "Ernst Huettinger" a Иcrit dans le message > news: 3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at... > > Hello beekeepers, > > > > It is a rumor! > > Is there the SHB in Spain or the South of France? > > Can anybody give an exact information? > > > > -- > > mfg. > > Ernst HЭttinger > > > > http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen oder http://www.i-net.at/oeib > > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at > > BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde > > Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ > > A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 > > priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Article 31153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: Carsimex@Mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Gun as Uncapper Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:38:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3825f765.0110101238.1cf9f133@posting.google.com> References: <3BC338D7.D6950C18@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1002746293 13838 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2001 20:38:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:38:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31153 Sonds like an iteresting alternative. Do you know where I can get more information about this process. I would like to try it out because personally I do not like heated knives. Thanks, Andrey. Article 31154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: Carsimex@Mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ????Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:07:29 +0300 Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:50:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3825f765.0110101250.272b5506@posting.google.com> References: <3bc2769b@master.ITCOM.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1002747052 14086 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2001 20:50:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:50:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31154 "postmost" <2@2.2> wrote in message news:<3bc2769b@master.ITCOM.net.ua>... > Разговор двух пчеловодов: > -Ты доволен своими пчелами > -Очень > -что, много меда накачал? > -Нет, но зато перекусали всех соседей... Do you know any more of jokes like that? Pleas post Andrey. Article 31155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "mark" From: "mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:46:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 160.84.80.2 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 1002746803 160.84.80.2 (Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:46:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:46:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31155 dang, wish i never used paradichlorobenzine after that article. Barry Birkey wrote in message news:B7E9C71A.5D97%barry@birkey.com... > Start here: > http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm > > > From: "BeeFarmer" > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 > > Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! > > > > Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the > > bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you > > have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. > > > > Thanks! > Article 31156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "aghn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3bbb7a9d@thunder.sound.net> Subject: Re: Swarm question Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Inktomi-Trace: arninkcluster 1002749842 22959 213.93.124.13 (10 Oct 2001 21:37:22 GMT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:37:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.187.37.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 1002749842 212.187.37.7 (Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:37:22 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:37:22 MET DST Organization: Chello Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31156 Steve, The old queen flies with the swarm. If she is a good queen, leave her in peace. If you want to combine the swarm with the original, you have a tough job to fulfill. You must prevent further swarming in order to keep all the bees together. In order to do that you could place a queen-seperator in your hive, put the remainder of the original bees above the excluder and the swarm underneath it. You have to get rid of all the queen cells or swarm cells in the original hive, so that you're sure there is no other queen raised. So far you have two possibilities: one is that the remainder of the original hive has no new queen. Joining the old queen and her swarm with the original would result in one queen in your hive. The other possibility is that you have more than one queen. One or more above and the old one underneath the seperator. The old one is the only one that has mated. The bees in the hive will decide which queen they want to preserve. They will "take care" about the redundant queens. For the sake of your hive this is risky business. You end up with young queens that have not mated. Maybe the old queen is too old to get a strong hive. Maybe the old queen leaves again. The risk is very real that you end up with a queenless hive. It is very difficult to prevent swarming if the bees want to swarm. Better to keep the two swarms apart for a while and wait untill the thrive to swarm is over. Join the two hives a few weeks later, have them "read the paper" (a sheet of journalpaper between two layers of the hive will help in a more gradual joining process). The bees will chose for themselves wich queen is best for them if you cannot make a choice. Good luck "Steve" schreef in bericht news:3bbb7a9d@thunder.sound.net... > Greetings, > I had a hive swarm today which I promptly caught (so far). The plan is to > recombine this swarm with the parent hive, or perhaps a weaker hive. Since > one queen must be destroyed, which hive has the best queen, the swarm or the > parent hive. Another way to phrase this would be to say 'when a hive > swarms, which queen leaves with the swarm and which queen stays with the > parent hive'. Is there even a hard and fast rule for this situation? I > have heard that the old queen goes with the swarm. > > > > Article 31157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!hamster.europeonline.net!newsfeed.europeonline.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:44:52 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1002778992 194.37.60.57 (Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:43:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:43:12 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31157 Ulli schrieb: > > What is the current status of the SHB in the US? > Is it a real problem or under control? SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests together. -- mfg. Ernst HЭttinger ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at **************************************************************** BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Tel.: 0664 234 0 780 *** eMail-restrictions 2MB and extensions, please contact me *** Article 31158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC53546.60014016@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:59:34 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1002779874 194.37.60.57 (Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:57:54 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:57:54 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31158 hallo beekeepers, This is good. I feel just like you. I hope we get import confinements. > I never heard about any SHB reported in south of France were I am living. > Unfortunately I feel not confident we will miss that pest for a long > time..;-(( > apipop (Montpellier south of France) -- mfg. Ernst HЭttinger ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at **************************************************************** BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Tel.: 0664 234 0 780 *** eMail-restrictions 2MB and extensions, please contact me *** Article 31159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: File Under: "Truth is Stranger Than Fiction" Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:39:35 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.c4 X-Server-Date: 11 Oct 2001 05:39:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31159 Let's hope we don't start carpet bombing the bee yards: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/11/international/middleeast/11HONE.html You might need to register to read this article, but it's free to do so. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:59:25 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com><3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZmVESetNz8PpuRXXm5J8CkYuI62EveXIAbHaC92QZfY9I4Zg9MsrNw X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 2001 11:59:24 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31160 Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? Regards, Barry > From: Ernst Huettinger >> What is the current status of the SHB in the US? >> Is it a real problem or under control? > > SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests > together. > > -- > mfg. > Ernst HЭttinger > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at Article 31161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:48:59 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9q480e$m17el$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9q1o9b$lfgfk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002808144 23109077 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31161 Since it is toxic to bees and not legal to use on honey for human consumption, how would you dispose of honey stored in that manner? And the wax will never be completely clear of contamination, although no longer lethal after several days of airing out. But would you want to expose your customers to this in cosmetics or fumes from burning wax? Yes, you can reclaim the wood and after airing sufficiently the wax is usable. But the original poster was going to treat honey in this way. I suppose you could extract that honey and dispose of it somehow, then de-contaminate your extracting equipment. To quote from the beesource page: "-PDCB evaporates reluctantly from honey and only from the topmost layer. -Honey cannot be aired as long as needed, since it attracts water and odors. -There is no possibility of significantly reducing paradichlorobenzene content of honey later." And, of course, if you export to the EU, any detectable residue will result in rejection of a shipment. But, many just abuse the labels and release these chemicals on the unsuspecting public, although not just in the US. Unlike thymol, most don't have an overpowering smell/taste that will give the culprits away. "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9q1o9b$lfgfk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Thanks for your info, it was confort to find out there wasn't any > instructions to burn equipment when using Paradichiorobeuzene (PDCB). I am > aware that you need to air out equipment before placing it back on the hive. > It was the burning part that confused me. > Article 31162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.mailgate.org!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Heat Gun as Uncapper X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BC5AC02.E5355319@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3BC338D7.D6950C18@boeing.com> <3825f765.0110101238.1cf9f133@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:26:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31162 Andrey wrote: > > Sonds like an iteresting alternative. Do you know where I can get > more information about this process. I would like to try it out > because personally I do not like heated knives. > > Thanks, > Andrey. I first heard about it on this forum and have never read anywhere a specific process. I bought one at the local Wal-Mart and just tried it out. It's a $20 item and I can see where they would be useful things to have around the house regardless. Just point the heat at it long enough to melt the cappings. Heat too much and the side walls of the cells start to melt and will then harden back to seal the cell. The caps will start to melt first in the center and peel back - just heat enough to allow the cell cap to peel back and then stop. The cell tops should appear wet after the wax has cooled. Ones that are sealed over will appear dull. You can open these with a cappings scratcher. Watch out for your thumbs and fingers while holding the frame to uncap - the air from those guns is really hot! Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wt: bee keeping equip. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31163 I live in New Brunswick, Canada Article 31164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com><3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 38 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:13:22 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1002874302 194.37.60.57 (Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:11:42 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:11:42 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31164 My English isn't good, I want to try it. 1. He is absolutely fatally. As the varroamite on Apis mellifera 2. He develops also on different fruits. He can survive in a bee free surroundings. 3. He is an insect like the bee and not a mite like the Varroa. You can't fight with akaricides. This is a great problem. 4. He can fly and looks actively for the next bee colony. 5. He has a very high increase rate. 6. He has occupied all of the USA already. He is in the north of 45 degree latitude. At the border to Canada, he survives also cold winters. 7. He destroys the beecolony. The honey also gets useless. I think these are strong arguments. Best regards, Ernst Huettinger Barry Birkey schrieb: > > Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB > does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? > > Regards, > Barry > > > From: Ernst Huettinger > > >> What is the current status of the SHB in the US? > >> Is it a real problem or under control? > > > > SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests > > together. > > > > -- > > mfg. > > Ernst HЭttinger > > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at Article 31165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <4a7dsto9a6s66h031fd9d5qgomlm5dqsif@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:11:03 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.220.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1002876131 62.255.220.106 (Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:42:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:42:11 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31165 On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0300, "Bob Seaman" wrote: >I live in New Brunswick, Canada > Congratulations. Article 31166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 85 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Oct 2001 10:44:49 GMT References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31166 >Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? >Path: >lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MI SMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.n et!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail >Message-ID: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> >From: Ernst Huettinger ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) >X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> ><1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> ><3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com><3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Organization: bfl >Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at >X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) >Lines: 38 >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:13:22 +0200 >NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 >X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at >X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1002874302 194.37.60.57 (Fri, 12 Oct 2001 >10:11:42 MET DST) >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:11:42 MET DST > > > >My English isn't good, I want to try it. > >1. He is absolutely fatally. As the varroamite on Apis mellifera >2. He develops also on different fruits. He can survive in a bee free >surroundings. >3. He is an insect like the bee and not a mite like the Varroa. You >can't fight with akaricides. This is a great problem. >4. He can fly and looks actively for the next bee colony. >5. He has a very high increase rate. >6. He has occupied all of the USA already. He is in the north of 45 >degree latitude. At the border to Canada, he survives also cold winters. >7. He destroys the beecolony. The honey also gets useless. > >I think these are strong arguments. > >Best regards, Ernst Huettinger > > >Barry Birkey schrieb: >> >> Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB >> does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? >> >> Regards, >> Barry >> >> > From: Ernst Huettinger >> >> >> What is the current status of the SHB in the US? >> >> Is it a real problem or under control? >> > >> > SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests >> > together. >> > >> > -- >> > mfg. >> > Ernst HЭttinger >> > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at > > > Hi Ernst. David Miksa from Florida, USA. We are in production of queens and queen cells for over 35 years. There have been SHB in our area since the start of SHB in the USA. Most of your ideas about SHB are correct, except the problem only occurs in poorly kept apiaries. We have over 2,000 colonies and just family members work in the bees 3-4 people rearing 80,000+ per year queen cells and 20,000 mated quens. WE HAVE not lost one colony from SHB, so there..... Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 31167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:36:52 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <4a7dsto9a6s66h031fd9d5qgomlm5dqsif@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31167 thanks "JAF" wrote in message news:4a7dsto9a6s66h031fd9d5qgomlm5dqsif@4ax.com... > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0300, "Bob Seaman" > wrote: > > >I live in New Brunswick, Canada > > > Congratulations. > Article 31168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Oct 2001 09:11:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Message-ID: <20011013051142.22486.00007110@mb-fi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31168 I know that bowling alley. Article 31169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.frii.net!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:06:48 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20011013051142.22486.00007110@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31169 we have two also "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20011013051142.22486.00007110@mb-fi.aol.com... > I know that bowling alley. Article 31170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "zipzop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:40:25 -0400 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9qbti402v3a@enews4.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip.209.249.191.160.ioip.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31170 I am thrilled to read these e-mails. I have always had a desire to raise bees but thought I was allergic. Now I find that an increase in swelling is normal. What relief. My dream has been revived by this single e-mail. Thank you ever so much! "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns910F889B21C2Aallendinternodenet@198.161.156.10... > Something we are now realising -- after several good workers suddenly quit > after visiting doctors -- is that people are concerned and ignorant about > the normal progression of reactions to bee stings. When they start to > react, some go to local doctors and get told they are allergic. Of course > they believe the doctor, even if the average GP (and some allergists) know > little about normal reactions to stings. > > I'm working on a page to hand to new employees, neighbours, and doctors, > etc. so that they are not taken by surprise when they people to swell after > having initially had very little reaction. > > The page I'm building is at > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/stings.htm > > I'd also like to know any good bee sting URLs beyond what I have found and > listed there. I'd appreciate constructive comments and criticisms, and of > course, when finished the sheet is free for all to share and distribute. > > allen > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 31171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed.utanet.at!not-for-mail From: Ernst Huettinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:03:16 +0200 Organization: UTA Telekom AG Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hagakure.utanet.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsfeed.utanet.at 1003064535 17011 195.70.253.31 (14 Oct 2001 13:02:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utanet.at NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:02:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de Cache-Post-Path: hagakure.utanet.at!unknown@mibeu02-0159.utaonline.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31171 hallo david, > >1. He is absolutely fatally. As the varroamite on Apis mellifera > >2. He develops also on different fruits. He can survive in a bee free > >surroundings. > >3. He is an insect like the bee and not a mite like the Varroa. You > >can't fight with akaricides. This is a great problem. > >4. He can fly and looks actively for the next bee colony. > >5. He has a very high increase rate. > >6. He has occupied all of the USA already. He is in the north of 45 > >degree latitude. At the border to Canada, he survives also cold winters. > >7. He destroys the beecolony. The honey also gets useless. > >I think these are strong arguments. > >Best regards, Ernst Huettinger > >Barry Birkey schrieb: > >> Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB > >> does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? > >> Regards,Barry > Hi Ernst. > David Miksa from Florida, USA. We are in production of queens and queen cells > for over 35 years. There have been SHB in our area since the start of SHB in > the USA. > Most of your ideas about SHB are correct, except the problem only occurs in > poorly kept apiaries. We have over 2,000 colonies and just family members work > in the bees 3-4 people rearing 80,000+ per year queen cells and 20,000 mated > quens. WE HAVE not lost one colony from SHB, so there..... > Miksa Honey Farms > 13404 Honeycomb Road > Groveland, Fl 34736 > home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html I am from Austria and I spent this year some time in Georgia and Florida. I wanted to see the beetle before he is imported in Europe. I have seen small apiaries and large honey industrial apiaries. We could establish this problem with the beetle independently of the size of the apiary. We could see Cumafoss insecticide (2-6 stripes per colony) against the beetle. Beetles always were in the treated colonys, too. I see the problem of resistant mites and beetle. We found these stripes at the floor on a massive scale around the big and small Apiaries. And we saw much despaired beekeeper. See the pictures 9-11 they are from very big apiaries: http://www.i-net.at/oeib/wiss/aethina/aethi_01.htm Best regards, Ernst Huettinger huetti@utanet.at --//-- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Floesserweg 6, A-3251 Purgstall - Austria Article 31172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <4Cqy7.12310$zG.1056712@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:04:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1003107840 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:04:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:04:00 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31172 Apart from Cumafoss and Guardstar are there any other treatments to combat the SHB? I am in Georgia. As they can fly it would seem almost impossible to keep them out of your hives once they are in an area. David. > > home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html > > I am from Austria and I spent this year some time in Georgia and > Florida. I wanted to see the beetle before he is imported in Europe. I > have seen small apiaries and large honey industrial apiaries. > > We could establish this problem with the beetle independently of the > size of the apiary. We could see Cumafoss insecticide (2-6 stripes per > colony) against the beetle. Beetles always were in the treated colonys, > too. I see the problem of resistant mites and beetle. > > We found these stripes at the floor on a massive scale around the big > and small Apiaries. > > And we saw much despaired beekeeper. > > See the pictures 9-11 they are from very big apiaries: > http://www.i-net.at/oeib/wiss/aethina/aethi_01.htm > > > Best regards, Ernst Huettinger > > huetti@utanet.at --//-- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge > Floesserweg 6, A-3251 Purgstall - Austria Article 31173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "CJ Link Service" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good book on beehive making??? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:38:56 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-695.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31173 Hi, First of all thank you for paying attention to my search. I would like to build my own beehive and naturally I'm looking for a book on it, or a web site. Any suggestions? Article 31174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "CJ Link Service" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Place for bee keeping equi. closest to Yukon??? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:44:41 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9qf7mv02c14@enews1.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-815.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31174 HI, I would like to find a place closest to the Yukon, Canada, to order beekeeping equipment, new queen, brood, etc.... Any suggestions? Pierre Halotier Article 31175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good book on beehive making??? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:05:33 -0400 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9qfc1u$n4gq0$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1003172734 24265536 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31175 BeeSource.com -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "CJ Link Service" wrote in message news:9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com... > Hi, > First of all thank you for paying attention to my search. I would like to > build my own beehive and naturally I'm looking for a book on it, or a web > site. > Any suggestions? > > Article 31176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Good book on beehive making??? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:36:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1003196181 24.248.135.205 (Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:36:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:36:21 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31176 Here is a site with some plans, it may help you. http://www.beesource.com/plans/ David A. CJ Link Service wrote in message news:9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com... > Hi, > First of all thank you for paying attention to my search. I would like to > build my own beehive and naturally I'm looking for a book on it, or a web > site. > Any suggestions? > > Article 31177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!news.panix.com!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: 16 Oct 2001 09:27:47 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9qhckj$knv$1@panix3.panix.com> References: <20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com> <700de225.0110011242.360d33bc@posting.google.com> <80Hu7.95879$hh.8449169@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1003238867 26467 166.84.1.3 (16 Oct 2001 13:27:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2001 13:27:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31177 There was some research done on general aerosol bee repellant. Not much came of it. The compounds are so volatile there's no real way to keep them around for very long. email me for citations. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 31179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: musonmk@webtv.net (Musing On life) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mystical Insight Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ/RfpD6ijRhEQlx5KdBg9lHl1YCgIVAIdAvQaVBySNhm7WChG3A9K/hsr4 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31179 The ALL is th essence in all. A thing in itself is nothing. Only in relation to something else does it become. In its becoming it is either Yin or Yang. The interaction or encounter between what comes in, what goes out, what is given, what is received, determines what is this, what is that. That which is the strongest or most dominant will prevail. =A0 ( Understand this and it will hep you to understand EVERYTHING ) Article 31180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystical Insight Date: 17 Oct 2001 09:24:21 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9qk0q5$bf0$1@panix1.panix.com> References: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1003325062 21405 166.84.1.1 (17 Oct 2001 13:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2001 13:24:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31180 In article <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Musing On life wrote: > >is that. That which is the strongest or most dominant will prevail. =A0 >( Understand this and it will hep you to understand EVERYTHING ) What is "EVERYTHING"? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 31181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystical Insight (or as some people say, Bollocks) Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:03:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.220.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1003324812 62.255.220.216 (Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:20:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:20:12 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31181 On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT), musonmk@webtv.net (Musing On life) wrote: How can things 'come in' or 'go out' if they don't exist? Article 31182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BCC96BA.C7D9CE04@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PBS Program on Bees Is Tonight!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 X-Trace: +KpfwVHCmEKgoaE/PexqRueYiDxUs7cUMUZRMgqypNwSp9yIZFpsnqnETjqw0ZP2yJdwfu24bZcD!gCADYyg5IB2qSzUiKdemhqT6pAHA4F/p4O/K4ec/F8w3tAQpBfvxNpMcT3CNQDfEFW2ZwcIr X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:05:41 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:05:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31182 Don't forget the beekeeping program on PBS tonight. Check your local listings. -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 31183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.gtei.net.MISMATCH!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp140.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Disappearing Honey! Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:15:40 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.cc X-Server-Date: 17 Oct 2001 19:15:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31183 Greetings, all... I've been out of town for a while, and just checked on the medium super on our backyard beehive today. Last time I checked, probably in August, it was pretty much filled with capped honey. Now, it's virtually empty! The hive seems healthy and active. Is it possible I waited too long to pull the super off, and the bees moved the honey back down into their own deep supers? Thanks for your insight. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disappearing Honey! Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:45:21 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9qkn4j$ovji0$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1003347923 26201664 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31184 Either that or someone extracted the super while you were gone : ) -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-1710011315400001@sdn-ar-004cocsprp140.dialsprint.net... > Greetings, all... > > I've been out of town for a while, and just checked on the medium super on > our backyard beehive today. > > Last time I checked, probably in August, it was pretty much filled with > capped honey. Now, it's virtually empty! > > The hive seems healthy and active. > > Is it possible I waited too long to pull the super off, and the bees moved > the honey back down into their own deep supers? > > Thanks for your insight. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disappearing Honey! Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <2tsrsto098tjr11rmm6o9o6b8nr4lrk832@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:37:50 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.225.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1003355536 62.255.225.4 (Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:52:16 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:52:16 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31185 On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:15:40 -0600, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > >Is it possible I waited too long to pull the super off, and the bees moved >the honey back down into their own deep supers? I should say that's exactly what happened. I had a half super, which I decided wasn't worth extracting, so put it back on the hive, and it's now in the shed, empty. They don't need much brood space over winter, so they fill up with honey, so that the bees don't have too far to go to get food, and can keep the cluster tight. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee show Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:12 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31186 cant find the show on PBS Article 31187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee show Date: 18 Oct 2001 16:15:01 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9qmv65$pvh$0@65.201.241.16> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.16 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31187 On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:12 -0300, "Bob Seaman" wrote: >cant find the show on PBS > > It's not on our PBS either (NW Ohio). I suspect since PBS stations are basically independent, that schedules will differ greatly, and shows aired in one location might not be aired elsewhere. :( -Tim Article 31188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BCED110.C3128EBA@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 X-Trace: /K+neRuoy7xNqV1KqJuGqat4pEndmfhEu97rayXy6LNK9lNDhpdYXftzz3IzEDLNHAm4E9GQJUDo!9eD7KLFla7s/Zyafy9KSew5v2KDwyCUbaYBOFH1vUHeY0P2no5pPTckZiNZ+CDfHuFVF3yJD2w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:03:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:03:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31188 Bob Seaman wrote: > > cant find the show on PBS I e-mailed the post on Tuesday, but it didn't post on the newsgroup until Wednesday. The show aired at 8 PM Tuesday. I picked the show up on my cable network, but I don't know whether it was available on satellites. The show was very interesting and tapes are available from PBS stations, at least it is here in North Carolina. I taped it myself. I've never seen a show that had such detailed shots of the inner workings of a hive. I thought that the setup of hives was quite unique. The beekeeper enters the hives from the rear. He has two rows of 12 hives in each (stacked one row on top of the other) in a shed type inclosure with an extended cover in the front and back, and the ends were solid. The hives were pastel colors with alternating colors, maybe to help the bees. I'm not sure where this was filmed; I wonder if anyone on the newsgroup is familiar with this type setup of hives. I would like to learn how to build one of these if anyone knows where I might get the plans. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 31189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee show Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:47:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BCED110.C3128EBA@atlas.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31189 No plans available, but this method is quite common in Germany and Austria. Incidently the film was also made over there. Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3BCED110.C3128EBA@atlas.localdomain... > Bob Seaman wrote: > > > > cant find the show on PBS > > I e-mailed the post on Tuesday, but it didn't post on the newsgroup > until Wednesday. The show aired at 8 PM Tuesday. I picked the show up > on my cable network, but I don't know whether it was available on > satellites. The show was very interesting and tapes are available from > PBS stations, at least it is here in North Carolina. I taped it myself. > > I've never seen a show that had such detailed shots of the inner > workings of a hive. I thought that the setup of hives was quite > unique. The beekeeper enters the hives from the rear. He has two rows > of 12 hives in each (stacked one row on top of the other) in a shed type > inclosure with an extended cover in the front and back, and the ends > were solid. The hives were pastel colors with alternating colors, maybe > to help the bees. I'm not sure where this was filmed; I wonder if > anyone on the newsgroup is familiar with this type setup of hives. I > would like to learn how to build one of these if anyone knows where I > might get the plans. > > Louise > -- > Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim > | Article 31190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystical Insight Date: 18 Oct 2001 13:11:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0110181211.2a23ea2c@posting.google.com> References: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.6.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1003435900 30211 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2001 20:11:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:11:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31190 musonmk@webtv.net (Musing On life) wrote in message news:<9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > The ALL is th essence in all. A thing in itself is nothing. Only in > relation to something else does it become. In its becoming it is either > Yin or Yang. The interaction or encounter between what comes in, what > goes out, what is given, what is received, determines what is this, what > is that. That which is the strongest or most dominant will prevail. ? > ( Understand this and it will hep you to understand EVERYTHING ) I'm starting to understand. As a relation, (by marriage) Dale, my brother-in-law, often will have encounters with me. Because his essence is so strong, it makes me become: YANGRY. Thanks for the enlightenment. Article 30473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apitherapy Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:20:52 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 15 Message-ID: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR5ZgEmXD6n2ctBoRB3nruaXGoLgAIUHMvwGB/VkGIYk6FJ6L3ebg2nB38= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30473 A friend of mine recently visited me to get bees for her stings while she is in the state visiting her daughter. She has been doing bee stings for several years for MS and she has had great success with this therapy. She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. She has not informed her doctor that she is doing bee stings for fear (I assume) that her insurance will not cover her medical bills or that her doctor will not approve. Any input would be greatly appreciated? Article 30474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure vs CheckMite+ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:59:48 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BDD9C1F.87154FEC@home.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30474 We used Apicure last fall and had a relatively good overwintering rate for our area with 40% deadouts. Most beekeepers in NE Iowa had between 50 and 100% deadout. Was Apicure the main factor? I don't think so. We also were feeding during the amazing goldenrod bloom that produced almost no surplus nectar. By November most hives were incredibly light and were deadouts by January. I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I was happy putting in a less toxic treatment, I can't say that is why we had better luck than others. I think the name of the game is reducing as many stresses on the hive as you can. It seems that any combination of mite load (tracheal and varroa), cold (or lack of warm spells for cleansing) and adequate feed and assorted other ailments spell doom for a hive. We haven't used Checkmite and don't intend to. Now that Apivar is coming on the market and Mann Lake is getting close to releasing another formulation of formic, I think we'll have enough different mite treatments to avoid using nasty organo-phosphates. IHMO, of course. BTW, your handle Maverick is an interesting one for a post about miticides... chris ne iowa www.greathoney.com Article 30475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 53 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: geirsmith@aol.com (GeirSmith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Oct 2001 10:05:04 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.fr Subject: Olympics Hit ? Sign Anti-b.Laden Petition to US Government. Message-ID: <20011030050504.17131.00000565@mb-fh.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30475 "Publishing the lists of Muslim victims of the WTC" http://www.petitiononline.com/mvwtc/petition.html To: United States Government Osama bin Laden is using the forces he has pitted against him to appear in the eyes of the Islamic world as it's foremost defender. He may even want to appear as the world Messiah that the Muslims are awaiting, as are Judeo-Christian religions. I thus have a simple question : how could the Messiah, if he were a Muslim, be the Messiah, if He were to go against the precept of Islam which states that the murder of innocent Muslims (I don't mention innocent non-Muslims, as their murder is a Virtue for Osama bin Laden) is prohibited and is the murder of all Humanity ? The Messiah would not be the Saviour if He *killed* all Humanity. There were Muslims in the World Trade Center tragedies on September 11. I thus want to have the names of these irrefutable proofs of the falseness of Osama bin Laden's pretences (if he should have such) that he be the Messiah or of peoples' beliefs that he be that, as he may certainly manage to make innocent and ignorant people believe, now that he has managed to league great forces against him. Indeed if he succeeded in this, the end of the world would surely be near as his goal seems to be the same as Hitler's, ie. kill everybody on Earth ! If you also would like this religio-terrorist fraud to be denounced, sign on to the petition for "Publishing the list of Muslim victims of the WTC" and show a citizen-support to the fight against Terrorism that weakens this man instead of strengthening him as he has conned us to do. Attacking him by conventional means, indeed, makes him arise from the shadows and become more and more famous. Stop his fame ! Shame him ! The religion he uses as his basis doesn't - cannot endorse him ! He is famous as it is : he and we don't need to be laden with a Messiah, at least not him. Geir Smith. http://www.geocities.com/shambalakingdom/ Sincerely, The Undersigned The Publishing the lists of Muslim victims of the WTC Petition to United States Government was created by and written by Geir Smith. Send this to a friend Olympics Hit ? Sign Anti-b.Laden Petition to US Government. Publish Muslim WTC-victims' list. Sign petition to US Government before the Winter Olympics and danger of a new attack. Article 30476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: КУПИ МЕНЯ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:04:16 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 656 Message-ID: <9rm1vq$2evr$11@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-223.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1004440378 80891 195.64.228.223 (30 Oct 2001 11:12:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2001 11:12:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!uunet!dca.uu.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!solar.carrier.kiev.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191482 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30476 sci.agriculture.fruit:4014 sci.agriculture.poultry:32309 sci.agriculture.ratites:1732 РЕМКОМПЛЕКТЫ: - гидрораспределитель; - гидроцилиндр тракторный; - г/цилиндры погрузчиков, стогомётов; - г/цилиндры экскаватора ЭО2621; - моторокомпл. упл. колец гильз двигателей; - гидронасосы шестеренные; - ГУР, механизм поворота, рулевой механизм; - ходовая часть, трансмиссия тракторов; - трактор Т-40М; Т-40АМ; - водяной насос; - топливная аппаратура и другое. 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("`@("!(WR($UI8W)O Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.77 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004490501 31921608 216.167.138.77 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.77!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30478 DRHelmick2 seeks input: >She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. >It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. It's like when William Randolph Hearst cabled Percival Lowell (after his famous book of 1894 in which he concluded: "that the broad physical conditions of the planet are not antagonistic to some form of life" and he went on to describe what he thought were "irrigation" canals and "fertilized" areas.): "IS THERE LIFE ON MARS CABLE 300 WORDS" Percival cabled back: "NO ONE KNOWS" 100 times. This is the answer to your questions regarding apitherapy. However, I have thought about this business and written about it before (1st. Nov. 2000) but this is only thinking. Remember that Einstein, just by thinking, sorted out 'relativity' and even admitted he wasn't a good enough mathematician to 'prove' his 'theories.' So..this is my theory: I've decided that substituting one pain for another causes predictable chemical responses when the body is invaded by pain creating toxins like bee venom. Cortisone is a substance produced from the cortex of the adrenal gland that has shown dramatic effects on rheumatoid arthritis. Epinephrine, a catecholamine, together with norepinephrine, is secreted principally by the medulla of the adrenal gland. Heightened secretion will result in increased heart rate and the hydrolysis of glycogen to glucose. This reaction, prepares the body for strenuous activity. Endorphins, a group of opiate proteins with pain-relieving properties that are found naturally in the brain. These chemicals are real and their effects are dramatic. Bee stings may not be so curative as previously believed. Each time your body is invaded by a 'foreign substance,' there is a reaction from the immune system; everyone can agree on this. Where the disagreement lies is between those that believe either from experience or what they've heard about bee stings being good and those like myself that believe they are bad, and this also goes for similar views on strengthening or weakening the immune system. After nothing more than thinking about it, I believe excessive stings can in fact weaken the immune system until one day you're stung, and go into anaphylactic shock. ** The Medical Experts relate this experience to being "sensitized by previous exposure." Arthritis is now understood to be one's immune system turning on itself. No one really knows why some people get it and some don't. My idea is that it is best to not over stress your immune system with a lot of un-natural and invasive substances within your environment. This means of course general environmental pollution but also, in my thinking at least, any steady assault by bee venom. Now I know that some people with MS are involved in 'apitherapy' as it is called, and they swear it gives relief. Not having had the experience of MS, I cannot say what I would do or how I would feel before or after 'apitherapy.' However, from what you've suggested i.e. the swelling of lymph nodes, I think this could be an adverse reaction to the bee stings. Again, I don't think, and I would hope that anyone having to live in a state of 'pain' that was relieved by 'bee stings' would not stop 'treatments' (apitherapy), even if there is a risk, as I've suggested. In my limited experience with pain, (major motorcycle crash once) I would rather be dead than in severe pain, for too long a time (the length of which would be decided by me) and if apitherapy brings relief to those with MS, then no one should oppose it, even if it kills them. Besides, who among us can say death is worse than earthly pain? **anaphylactic shock n (1910): an often severe and sometimes fatal systemic reaction in a susceptible individual upon exposure to a specific antigen. (as wasp venom or penicillin) C.K. Article 30479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:08:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30479 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:20:52 -0500 (EST), DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) wrote: > > >A friend of mine recently visited me to get bees for her stings while >she is in the state visiting her daughter. She has been doing bee stings >for several years for MS and she has had great success with this >therapy. > >She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. >It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. >She has not informed her doctor that she is doing bee stings for fear (I >assume) that her insurance will not cover her medical bills or that her >doctor will not approve. > >Any input would be greatly appreciated? > I have shipped bees to over 2000 people with MS and have never heard of this problem. beekeep Article 30480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:00:56 -0700 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9rp05j$u4vhv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004536820 31620671 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30480 > I have shipped bees to over 2000 people with MS and have never heard > of this problem. That's a large sample of people. Are you in personal contact with some or all of them? Is there a mailing list? Seems to me that it should be possible to assemble some kind of tabulated statistical study of those who try it, those who keep with it, and out of all those people, those who claim it works and those who don't. Moreover if there are adverse effects, they should assert themselves visibly somewhere in such a large group. Also seems to me that the official study being done in the US is employing injections of either trapped bee venom or extracts with a syringe, rather than examining what is already being done by practitioners. If so, what is being studied is different in several ways from what apitheripists and self-treated users of bee stings claim to be effective. This concerns me, since the study may be barking up a wrong tree. Is there any large scientific attempt to tabulate empirical data on MS and bee stings? allen Article 30481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "crispin foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Heating devices Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:28:33 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 Message-ID: <3be01790$1_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 31 Oct 2001 10:24:00 -0500, 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news3.paonline.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30481 I use a metal trash can with a 100 watt incandescent light bulb in it. I place the bucket of granulated honey on brick inside the can. After switching on the light and putting the lid in the trashcan it takes 18-24 hours to liquefy the honey. It brings the temperature up to about 100 degrees Fahrenheit. The trashcan cost me $12 at the local hardware store. The light fitting and wire shouldn't cost more than a few dollars. Hope this helps. BeeFarmer wrote in message <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>... >I am looking for devices to heat up honey in 5 gallon buckets. I have heard >of straps you can wrap around a five gallon bucket and I have seen homemade >devices that you place a light bulb in. Can anyone give me some first hand >experiances on either or a solution to keep both bottled and bucket honey >liquid? > > > Article 30482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "crispin foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Backyard bees Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:31:48 -0500 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 Message-ID: <3be01854_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 31 Oct 2001 10:27:16 -0500, 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news3.paonline.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30482 Insect eating bats fly and feed after sundown and before sunup. Normally bees only fly when the sun is up. They'll be in the hive when bats feed. I don't think you have a problem. Tronni wrote in message ... >My son built a "bat box" and wants to hang it in a tree in our back >yard. We have one hive of bees (we're new at this) and are concerned >about whether any bats the box attracts might eat the bees. We've >inquired about this with our local extension service but nobody seems >to be able to answer whether or not bats eat honeybees. Thanks! Article 30483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating devices Message-ID: References: <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3be01790$1_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:57:41 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:55:18 -0600 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30483 I have a bulb in a box that I put in my extractor ( without the wheel ) .. set either jars or one bucket in and make a styrofoam lid to cover for a day (lid with motor is removed as well). On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:28:33 -0500, "crispin foster" wrote: >I use a metal trash can with a 100 watt incandescent light bulb in it. I >place the bucket of granulated honey on brick inside the can. After >switching on the light and putting the lid in the trashcan it takes 18-24 >hours to liquefy the honey. It brings the temperature up to about 100 >degrees Fahrenheit. The trashcan cost me $12 at the local hardware store. >The light fitting and wire shouldn't cost more than a few dollars. Hope this >helps. >BeeFarmer wrote in message <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>... >>I am looking for devices to heat up honey in 5 gallon buckets. I have >heard >>of straps you can wrap around a five gallon bucket and I have seen homemade >>devices that you place a light bulb in. Can anyone give me some first >hand >>experiances on either or a solution to keep both bottled and bucket honey >>liquid? >> >> >> > Article 30484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: small cell foundation Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:39:27 -0600 Lines: 3 Message-ID: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.250 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004553567 32530248 216.167.143.250 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.250!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30484 Anyone selling the 'natural size' foundation besides Dadant? C.K. Article 30485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: simonarcher@altavista.co.uk (Simon Archer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old beekeeping book Date: 31 Oct 2001 11:11:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.133.147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004555502 29641 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2001 19:11:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2001 19:11:42 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30485 Practical Beekeeping and Honey Production by DT Macfie Super little book with a number of full page plates and a number of illustrations in the text.Not dated but I would guess it to be late 40s.Some chapter headings are:- Bee Keeping as a practical proposition,frames and comb foundation,races of honey bee,uniting and increasing stocks,Queen rearing,A Bee Keepers calender. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1480443811 Check our other auctions for similar items! Article 30486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Infested Hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Trace: /K49oBflSFygU6R9T1jdz7Ai68rdve6/SZ5CR0BFmIL9M1Zy9H7PgoRDU4iqFeJsaz7FdAopEjke!VgFOE6pF2WdPL/oAsA4M+kLcFebb7AjR5NluHWbnG7ET0QtgXh12mz09NtRXJVI+9flEabxGdw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:07:46 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:07:46 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30486 I have (or rather I HAD) four healthy hives, I thought. Today when I opened the hives to remove the apistan strips, two hives were completely destroyed by moths. I had checked the hives several weeks ago and had seen no trace of the moths. I didn't know that they could work so fast. I am freezing the hives and the supers to kills the moths. Unfortunately, any remaining bees will also be killed. My questions are as follows: 1. How could I have prevented this infestation? 2. After I kill the moths and clean the frames, hives, and supers, how do I make sure there are no moth larvae remaining? Is there any other treatment for the hives before I use them again? I feel that I have failed these hives. What a waste. These are the first hives that I have lost. I am very angry with myself and those dastardly moths! Thanks for any help. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 30487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:47:05 -0700 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-9.internode.net (198.161.229.185) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004557584 32880668 198.161.229.185 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-9.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30487 Pierco cells measure 5.25 mm, which is within the range of natural sizes made most popular domestic North American bee types. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Anyone selling the 'natural size' foundation besides Dadant? Article 30488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@LineOne.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hand cream Date: 31 Oct 2001 15:11:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.7.100.161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004569873 2242 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2001 23:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2001 23:11:13 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30488 Can anyone help me by sending me any information re hand cream? I have already got recipes for beeswax polish and furniture cream. thanks in advance Albert.