From vision108NOSPAM@yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 06:12:17 EDT 2003 Article: 36534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!r12-159.intnet.MU!not-for-mail From: HoneyB Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:03:47 +0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: r12-159.intnet.mu (202.123.12.159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1064991758 11690679 202.123.12.159 (16 [178757]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36534 Thanks for the input friends. Infact most of the articles i found through Google in that field were dated 2002 while it seems many bans have been lifted by now. Also is there any web site from an authoritative government agency with up to date details in the field? let me know. Many thanks. From ac-buljubasic@os.tel.hr Wed Oct 1 06:12:18 EDT 2003 Article: 36535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!195.29.150.88.MISMATCH!news2.htnet.hr!not-for-mail From: "Dinko" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasps & Hornets Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:17:55 +0200 Organization: HTnet Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ao3-m207.net.hinet.hr X-Trace: ls219.htnet.hr 1064996230 19483 195.29.34.207 (1 Oct 2003 08:17:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@htnet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:17:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36535 Hello from Croatia, coud you advise me what can I use as liquid (or other) bait for wasps and hornets? Thanks in advance From Someone@aol.com Sun Oct 12 06:20:00 EDT 2003 Article: 36536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Someone User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.77.29.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1065006903 ST000 68.77.29.11 (Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:15:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:15:03 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_A\S@UCWTX@JIX_TTDTB_LPLLLVXU@OAQDJ@_@FN@ANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:15:03 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36536 American Bee Journal has a regular column on the honey market. PS: Please learn how to crosspost, or if you think that you are, your news software is broken. HoneyB wrote: > Thanks for the input friends. Infact most of the articles i found > through Google in that field were dated 2002 while it seems many bans > have been lifted by now. > > Also is there any web site from an authoritative government agency > with up to date details in the field? let me know. > > Many thanks. From lazurus106@aol.com Sun Oct 12 06:20:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Oct 2003 12:23:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wasps & Hornets Message-ID: <20031001082300.15743.00000146@mb-m13.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36537 Hi, One of the best is to use sweet soda pop Coca cola ect. put it in a shallow dish with a drop of dish soap in it. We had a very dry summer this year and I ended up with about 4 inches of dead hornets in the bottom of a garbage can, from two of thease traps. I used for a month. Cheap also. Cheers Dave From steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 12 06:20:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.21.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps & Hornets Message-ID: References: <20031001082300.15743.00000146@mb-m13.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:32:49 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.7.246.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net 1065015163 80.7.246.173 (Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:32:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:32:43 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36538 Also vinegar with a banana skin in On 01 Oct 2003 12:23:00 GMT, lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) wrote: >Hi, > One of the best is to use sweet soda pop Coca cola ect. put it in a shallow >dish with a drop of dish soap in it. > We had a very dry summer this year and I ended up with about 4 inches of dead >hornets in the bottom of a garbage can, from two of thease traps. I used for a >month. Cheap also. >Cheers >Dave From bamboo@localnet.com Sun Oct 12 06:20:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews2.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? Date: 1 Oct 2003 06:34:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0310010534.3df6c8f2@posting.google.com> References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1065015263 24894 127.0.0.1 (1 Oct 2003 13:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36539 HoneyB wrote in message news:<263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com>... > I have heard that Honey from China, Argentina and Indian have been > banned onthe international market because they contain some chmical > residues. Is that true? And if yes anyone can direct me to a web site > with these details? Does WHO (Wold Health Organisation) publised > anything on the ban? > > Many thanks for your replies. Last I knew the Chinese honey involved in the ban contained the drug chlorampenicol. In my public library there is a magazine the USDA puts out about enforcement and news. Might be worth a look to see if it is online too. From qfu9@aol.com Sun Oct 12 06:20:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews2.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qfu9@aol.com (Artemesia) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ISO Beekeeper near Pasadena, CA: Please help me remove a bee hive! Date: 6 Oct 2003 15:17:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.81.26.103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1065478655 755 127.0.0.1 (6 Oct 2003 22:17:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36540 The post office sent me a letter daying that a beehive near my mailbox is creating a dangerous hazard for my mailman. It appears that the bees are selled into a shingle on the side of the shouse. I have no experience or expertice in this area. Would anone know of a beekeeper who could help me out with this one? Thanks and regards, Arte. From Craig_M@ALL-THINGS.COM Sun Oct 12 06:20:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!feed-maxim.newsfeeds.com!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!news.storm.ca!not-for-mail From: "BooBee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: At what date would the queen stop laying for the season? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:31:49 -0400 Organization: Storm Internet Services Lines: 20 Sender: allthings@dp-216-106-106-104.storm.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-216-106-106-104.storm.ca X-Trace: news.storm.ca 1065490402 25632 216.106.106.104 (7 Oct 2003 01:33:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@storm.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 2003 01:33:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36541 Hi all, I am a hobbyist in Ottawa Ontario Canada with one 10 frame main hive & one 2 frame observation hive. Both were queen right and doing well a month ago, but the last time I was into the main hive, no eggs, larva or capped brood! Still some capped brood and the odd larva in the observation hive. At what date would the queen stop laying for the season in this area ? Would different hives in the same yard shut down production at such different dates? The main queen was a first year queen with a paint spot on her back and I did find her alive and well in that main hive this past weekend. The queen in the observation hive was raised by me this summer and she too is alive and well in that small 2 frame set-up. Thx for the help, Craig_m (613) 723-7486 From qfu9@aol.com Sun Oct 12 06:20:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qfu9@aol.com (Artemesia) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ISO Beekeeper near Pasadena, CA: Please help me remove a bee hive! Date: 7 Oct 2003 01:39:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <28508f8a.0310070039.13a1973a@posting.google.com> References: <28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.81.26.103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1065515963 28829 127.0.0.1 (7 Oct 2003 08:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36542 qfu9@aol.com (Artemesia) wrote in message news:<28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com>... >> > I have no experience or expertice in this area. Would anyone know of a > beekeeper who could help me out with this one? > > Thanks and regards, > > Arte. Or, is there a beekeeper's organization that I could call for a referral? Thanks, again. Arte From snowball@palacenet.net Sun Oct 12 06:20:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!gemini.dwave.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christine Calnin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Online Support Network for Women in Agriculture/Agribusiness Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:12:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3f82e5f0$0$3746$4bb17d6e@news.dwave.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ef869ac3.news.dwave.net X-Trace: 1065543153 gemini.dwave.net 3746 206.176.207.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@dwave.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36543 Hello and thank you for having me. My name is Christine Calnin and I am a freelance writer and also the owner of AgriWoman.com, which is an online support network for women in agriculture/agri-business. It is our goal to become the largest women's ag network in the world. http://www.agriwoman.com AgriWoman helps women involved in ag to network with each other from their businesses to companionship and even travel. AgriWomen Traveling hopes to network women around the world and encourage visiting other AgriWomen either locally or world wide. Women can travel to visit or assist those in need with projects, etc. We are also involved with BisonRidge Ranch Retreat center and will be hosting a variety of retreats, both ag related as well as other interesting retreats that are non ag related. If you are interested in holding your OWN retreat, seminar or getaway, please contact me and learn how you can enrich the lives of others and supplement your income both personally and for your business, in the process. Please address retreat email to retreats@agriwoman.com all other emails to christine@agriwoman.com If you are involved in agriculture in some form or run a business that is ag related, please stop by the site and email me if you would like to be included in the directory. AgriWoman.com also has a variety of message boards that can be used to get and give advice as well as to make friends. Please stop by and say hi. We are growing every day! Thank you for the opportunity to tell you about my enterprise and I hope to get to know some of you. It's so great to work together! Christine From yadotcom Sun Oct 12 06:20:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "bab" <$ab19901$@yadotcom> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ISO Beekeeper near Pasadena, CA: Please help me remove a bee hive! Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:07:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com> <28508f8a.0310070039.13a1973a@posting.google.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36544 "Artemesia" wrote in message news:28508f8a.0310070039.13a1973a@posting.google.com... > qfu9@aol.com (Artemesia) wrote in message news:<28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com>... > Or, is there a beekeeper's organization that I could call for a referral? > > Thanks, again. > > Arte Try contacting the California State Apiarist. He might be able to refer you to someone. California Mr. Nick Condos, Assoc. Agricultural Biologist Pest Exclusion Branch California Department of Food and Agriculture 1220 N Street, Room A-372 Sacramento, California 95814 http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/ From qfu9@aol.com Sun Oct 12 06:20:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: qfu9@aol.com (Artemesia) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ISO Beekeeper near Pasadena, CA: Please help me remove a bee hive! Date: 9 Oct 2003 00:16:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <28508f8a.0310082316.1bdb14f9@posting.google.com> References: <28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com> <28508f8a.0310070039.13a1973a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.81.26.103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1065683766 30279 127.0.0.1 (9 Oct 2003 07:16:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36545 "bab" <$ab19901$@yadotcom> wrote in message news:... > > Try contacting the California State Apiarist. He might be able to refer you > to someone. > > California > Mr. Nick Condos, Assoc. Agricultural Biologist > Pest Exclusion Branch > California Department of Food and Agriculture > 1220 N Street, Room A-372 > Sacramento, California 95814 > http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/ Thank you very much for this, bab! I really appreciate it. Arte From yadotcom Sun Oct 12 06:20:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "bab" <$ab19901$@yadotcom> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ISO Beekeeper near Pasadena, CA: Please help me remove a bee hive! Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:33:20 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <28508f8a.0310061417.33a3e59@posting.google.com> <28508f8a.0310070039.13a1973a@posting.google.com> <28508f8a.0310082316.1bdb14f9@posting.google.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36546 "Artemesia" wrote in message news:28508f8a.0310082316.1bdb14f9@posting.google.com... > "bab" <$ab19901$@yadotcom> wrote in message news:... > > > > Try contacting the California State Apiarist. He might be able to refer you > > to someone. > > > > California > > Mr. Nick Condos, Assoc. Agricultural Biologist > > Pest Exclusion Branch > > California Department of Food and Agriculture > > 1220 N Street, Room A-372 > > Sacramento, California 95814 > > http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/ > > > Thank you very much for this, bab! I really appreciate it. > > Arte No problem. I hope it helped. I've lived in my house for 20 years and never saw a swarm of honey bees before this year. This summer I had three. Called the Delaware state apiarist and he put me in touch with someone local who was more than happy to come over and collect the swarms. Turns out the beekeeper was someone I umpire baseball with. I never knew he was into beekeeping. He and I had a good time talking bees and baseball. From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 12 06:20:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tunisia Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:51:41 +0100 Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.164.202 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1065826326 32208 217.135.164.202 (10 Oct 2003 22:52:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2003 22:52:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36547 Any beekeepers from Tunisia reading this newsgroup? Peter Edwards From reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 12 06:20:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Charles Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> Lines: 14 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:38:33 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.102.75.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net 1065893072 81.102.75.47 (Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:24:32 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:24:32 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!feed.ac-versailles.fr!proxad.net!proxad.net!194.168.222.21.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36548 Someone wrote: > PS: Please learn how to crosspost, or if you think that you are, your > news software is broken. A: Posting in the wrong order. Q: What is the most anoying thing in news groups? Please learn to post in the correct order, or if you think that you are, your news software is broken. -- Charles From postmost@itcom.net.ua Sun Oct 12 06:20:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!newshub1.home.nl!home.nl!borium.box.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!195.129.110.21.MISMATCH!bnewsfeed00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsinpeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news.taide.net!news.itcom.net.ua!not-for-mail From: "postmost" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:19:45 +0400 Organization: Taide Network AS Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3f88f2a1$1@news.itcom.net.ua> References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mailhost.itcom.net.ua X-Trace: ally.taide.net 1065935384 24979 193.220.130.58 (12 Oct 2003 05:09:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.taide.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 2003 05:09:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gidromash.itcom.net.ua X-Original-Trace: 12 Oct 2003 09:20:17 +0300, gidromash.itcom.net.ua Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36549 ðÒÉ×ÅÔ! Charles ÐÉÛÅÔ × ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ:k1Xhb.350$Cf.3185@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net... > Someone wrote: > > > PS: Please learn how to crosspost, or if you think that you are, your > > news software is broken. > > A: Posting in the wrong order. > Q: What is the most anoying thing in news groups? > > Please learn to post in the correct order, or if you think that you are, > your news software is broken. > > -- > Charles > From Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Wed Oct 15 22:31:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping software update Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:45:43 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3f893edb$0$27385$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.8 X-Trace: 1065959132 dread16.news.tele.dk 27385 195.249.242.8:8806 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36550 Dear fellow beekeepers! Due to the interest for the Bidata queenbreeding and hivenote software I met on Apimondia in Slovenia this yar I decided to do a little more work on the Software. First of there are two new languages added to the language facility. It is Italian and Czech language. The software is now translated into the following languages : English, Danish, Dutch(Belgian), Frensh(Belgian), Russian, Spanish(Argentina) and a Poutuguize(Brasilian) language is on its way. Some items has changed. It is related to the queen breeder part. Dropdown lists is no longer cleared and is now allowed a line length of 40 chars. It is possible to edit the queen line up to ten chars. If a new beeyear starts the fist screen you se will be an import of hives from last year. The software will be a 60 days trial with full blow. after this period it will close down to 20 hives but with no loses of facilities. If you have problems with the download you can order a CD for a price of ?10. On this CD you will get all my beekeeping stuff. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Software will be ported to unicode!! visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. From reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk Wed Oct 15 22:31:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news2.euro.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Charles Subject: Re: Lots of Dead Bees after medicating! Help! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk References: Lines: 24 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:45:35 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.102.75.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net 1065961878 81.102.75.47 (Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:31:18 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:31:18 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36551 Bonnie wrote: > BlankWe live in NE Pa. and medicated our hive with Apistan strips and > menthol this week! Thenectare did it ,the bees went nuts! They were going > nuts around the hive and by night and after the next day hundreds of dead > bees were laying on the ground outside the hive! I followed the > instructions as given. This is my first year in beekeeping ,so is this > normal or what? In the debris of dead bees it looked like a fine powder or > possibly comb "crumbs". Any help please! There are still bees there,don't > look like many though! > > Dennis It sound like you started some robbing. This is often a problem early and late in the seasion when there is no nectar around and you have the hive open for too long. If you are lucky the robbing did not deplete the hive too much. If the hive is now quite week I would close the entrance down to just a small entrance, down to 1" or so, this will help the hive defend its self if this happens again. -- Charles From dreyfus1@ptd.net Wed Oct 15 22:31:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!feed-maxim.newsfeeds.com!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!3831230c!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Bonnie" From: "Bonnie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Lots of Dead Bees after medicating! Help! Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:50:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.238.39.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 1065970203 24.238.39.45 (Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:50:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:50:03 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36552 Boy, I think you hit the nail on the head! We were up to check the hive better and there is no honey left!! Thereis only a hand full of bees left and lots of what look like yellow jackets in and about the hive! I guess there is nothing to do but start over next year! You learn by your mistakes I guess! Any tips would be appeciated and thank you for your input! Dennis "Charles" wrote in message news:qQbib.844$Cf.8314@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net... > Bonnie wrote: > > > BlankWe live in NE Pa. and medicated our hive with Apistan strips and > > menthol this week! Thenectare did it ,the bees went nuts! They were going > > nuts around the hive and by night and after the next day hundreds of dead > > bees were laying on the ground outside the hive! I followed the > > instructions as given. This is my first year in beekeeping ,so is this > > normal or what? In the debris of dead bees it looked like a fine powder or > > possibly comb "crumbs". Any help please! There are still bees there,don't > > look like many though! > > > > Dennis > > It sound like you started some robbing. This is often a problem early and > late in the seasion when there is no nectar around and you have the hive > open for too long. > > If you are lucky the robbing did not deplete the hive too much. If the hive > is now quite week I would close the entrance down to just a small entrance, > down to 1" or so, this will help the hive defend its self if this happens > again. > -- > Charles > From reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk Wed Oct 15 22:31:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Charles Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> <3f88f2a1$1@news.itcom.net.ua> Lines: 9 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:59:30 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.102.75.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net 1065984306 81.102.75.47 (Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:45:06 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:45:06 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36553 postmost wrote: > ðÒÉ×ÅÔ! > bud' laska -- Charles From tarheit@wcoil.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: At what date would the queen stop laying for the season? Date: 14 Oct 2003 17:27:25 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.148.219 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36554 On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:31:49 -0400, "BooBee" wrote: >Hi all, > >I am a hobbyist in Ottawa Ontario Canada with one 10 frame main hive & one 2 >frame observation hive. Both were queen right and doing well a month ago, >but the last time I was into the main hive, no eggs, larva or capped brood! >Still some capped brood and the odd larva in the observation hive. > >At what date would the queen stop laying for the season in this area ? Very hard to say. Queens don't read a calendar :) >Would different hives in the same yard shut down production at such >different dates? Very possible. Breed, weather, nectar flows, age of queen, etc. all effect when the queen stops or slows down laying. We have had a unusuall lack of nectar the past several weeks and the queens virtually stopped laying. I even mistook a few hives as queenless. They have started up again this past week now that we had a bit of rain and warmer weather. A few small nucs that failed to shut down during this peiod starved out without me knowing it. :( In my observation hive the queen obviously keep laying during this period, but there was no larva to be seen for about 3 weeks. I can only assume the workers cleaned out the eggs until the weather improved. I suspect you have the same thing. Poor foraging resulting in little new brood. -Tim From tarheit@wcoil.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:13 EDT 2003 Article: 36555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lots of Dead Bees after medicating! Help! Date: 14 Oct 2003 17:34:04 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.148.219 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36555 On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:50:03 GMT, "Bonnie" wrote: >Boy, I think you hit the nail on the head! We were up to check the hive >better and there is no honey left!! Thereis only a hand full of bees left >and lots of what look like yellow jackets in and about the hive! I guess >there is nothing to do but start over next year! You learn by your mistakes >I guess! Any tips would be appeciated and thank you for your input! > I've had the same problem here. (NW Ohio) It's been so bad for the past several weeks I've avoided opening up hives altogether (heavy robbing starts almost immediately). Never seen anything quite so bad. Finally got some warm weather and some nectar flow this past week and was able to do some things. Still was some robbing, but not nearly as bad. It has (unfortunately perhaps) made my decision of which hives were strong enough to overwinter and which ones needed combined easier. All the weak ones were robbed out and dead :( -Tim From dainton@blueyonder.co.uk Wed Oct 15 22:31:13 EDT 2003 Article: 36556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dainton@blueyonder.co.uk (chrisd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: set honey Date: 14 Oct 2003 12:58:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.48.137.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066161517 26184 127.0.0.1 (14 Oct 2003 19:58:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36556 I usually have no problem seeding my honey but the last 2 years I have difficulty getting it to set. Is there a honey that is disinclined to set? I have extracted from our summer flow which was removed in early August (Gloucestershire UK). Certainly lime and blackberry but perhaps broad bean and balsam might possibly be in the batch. I start by cooling the liquified honey overnight and add the seed by mixing 2lb set to 2lb liquified on the first day.Then that 4lb to 4lb liquified on the second day. Then that 8lb to 8lb liquified etc. etc. After that the idea is to add one 30lb tub of set honey to one tub liquified honey. All hopefully at between 16- 20 degrees C. It usually works by the book but the honey refuses to set and remains as a runny honey with a set appearance. Chris From bamboo@localnet.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:13 EDT 2003 Article: 36557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BBC News Article/ French Bees Date: 14 Oct 2003 15:30:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 80 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0310141430.3db50df6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066170611 1148 127.0.0.1 (14 Oct 2003 22:30:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36557 Plight of France's honey bee By John Laurenson Pertuis, Provence In a normal summer, Provence is full of fields of blue lavender and the air is a-buzz with bees. But this year's heatwave has left the lavender - along with the thyme, rosemary and pink heather - shrivelled to nothing. Patrick Molle, a beekeeper based near the village of Pertuis not far >from Aix-en-Provence, says he usually brings about 400 hives to the lavender fields but this year only 40 made honey. "That won't pay for much more than the cost of moving the hives up there," he says. "It's a disastrous year." Provence is the hardest hit region of France but this has been a bad year for almost every one of France's 80,000 beekeepers. Honey production from their 1.3 million hives is down by more than half this year with hungry bees forced to eat sugary preparations laid out by the beekeepers in order to survive. High bee mortality And even before the drought, French bees were on their knees. Until recently, the normal death rate for bees during the winter months was one in 10. Now, says Vincent Clair of the French National Bee Surveillance Unit, the death rate is six in 10. New swarms have to be replaced more and more often. Opinions are divided about the causes of the rise in bee mortality. "The most likely theory today is that the massive use of pesticides are weakening the colonies so they are becoming more vulnerable to big diseases such as varroa destructor and other viruses," says Mr Clair. Playing God But others say beekeepers themselves are partly to blame. Roland Douai is one of two beekeepers who sell their honey on the street market of Aix-en-Provence. He says that in the past, all beekeepers kept local species of bee which were well-adapted to the area. "But encouraged by so-called scientists and other modernisers, some beekeepers have been importing bees from all over the world, crossing them with local bees... playing the sorcerer's apprentice... in order to increase their honey production," Mr Douai says. "It's upset the natural balance and now we're paying the price." Napoleon's favourite The plight of the bee is a sorry tale for those who love honey, who care about the countryside and, of course, those whose livelihoods depend on it. But here in France it's also a question of history. The decline of the French bee would have infuriated Napoleon Bonaparte who made the insect a symbol of his reign. Napoleon liked bees because they work in an orderly and selfless fashion for the benefit of an undisputed leader. Scientists at the time didn't know that what they took to be a king bee was in fact a queen. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/3178400.stm Published: 2003/10/14 14:44:48 GMT © BBC MMIII From me@home.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:14 EDT 2003 Article: 36558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:47:04 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: set honey Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:47:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.112 X-Trace: sv3-eGP3D//zW8FoNSrznDBk+39sqJ7h877zfoMh1+rFQq3YBi5aw1RvVF0yyN0nPupuQRf3Z51uR0hS94T!JnR7K3jHI7aZnSzIKClxX4bu1UhRI2v9SDDh6GJhOhrp/W8SgHcQA7mpwwOAMwvgkZwGgeg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36558 Chris, I'm no expert in this area, but suspect that your honey began at a moisture content close to 19 %. As it crystallized, more water was freed to go into solution. Now the moisture content of the solution is probably in the 22% plus range. I think you'll need to filter out the crystals to check the moisture content of the solution. Let us know what you find. (West Texas) Mark "chrisd" wrote in message news:70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com... I usually have no problem seeding my honey but the last 2 years I have difficulty getting it to set. Is there a honey that is disinclined to set? I have extracted from our summer flow which was removed in early August (Gloucestershire UK). Certainly lime and blackberry but perhaps broad bean and balsam might possibly be in the batch. I start by cooling the liquified honey overnight and add the seed by mixing 2lb set to 2lb liquified on the first day.Then that 4lb to 4lb liquified on the second day. Then that 8lb to 8lb liquified etc. etc. After that the idea is to add one 30lb tub of set honey to one tub liquified honey. All hopefully at between 16- 20 degrees C. It usually works by the book but the honey refuses to set and remains as a runny honey with a set appearance. Chris From novinger@epix.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:14 EDT 2003 Article: 36559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!199.224.117.12.MISMATCH!news2.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best place to buy Plastic Honey Bottles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:35:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.37.245.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@epix.net X-Trace: news1.epix.net 1066228536 216.37.245.54 (Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:35:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:35:36 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36559 My Dad finally had a good year and got some honey (not as much as some people here only about 25 gallons) He got some plastic bottles and used them all up and I am in charge of finding a place that has a good price and more important good service and quality. Does anybody want to share some good places ? Thanks. ps reply here or change my email to .net From novinger@epix.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:14 EDT 2003 Article: 36560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news2.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: One more question on Packaging Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:38:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.37.245.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@epix.net X-Trace: news1.epix.net 1066228727 216.37.245.54 (Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:38:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:38:47 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36560 A good place to buy Lables for Honey bottles. Either generic or custom made with your name on. Thanks. Reply to the group or change my email to .net From islapro@islapro.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:15 EDT 2003 Article: 36561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!nsnmrro1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: One more question on Packaging Honey Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:09:02 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.151.76.48 X-Trace: news.ya.com 1066230549 3215 62.151.76.48 (15 Oct 2003 15:09:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:09:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36561 We have a page with a label about our honey in several languages, you can adapt it to Microsoft FrontPage or Word, and out of a sheet of paper (8,5 x 11) you get 3 label, colors, pictures, color of paper, etc it is up the user. The hard work of starting the concept is done. The page is: http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/etiquetae.htm If you have comments, suggestions, etc. please let me know and we will upgrade de page. Best wishes from Mallorca, Jose Matas. "Brian" escribió en el mensaje news:XZcjb.5420$Bv6.1661975@news1.epix.net... > A good place to buy Lables for Honey bottles. Either generic or custom > made with your name on. > > Thanks. > > Reply to the group or change my email to .net > From texasdrone@texasdrone.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:15 EDT 2003 Article: 36562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Robert Williamson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: One more question on Packaging Honey Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:06:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.175.246.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1066241189 24.175.246.166 (Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:06:29 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:06:29 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36562 For labels I prefer www.thorne.co.uk Even with shipping they come out to about .04 a label and the designs are fantastic. Robert From bamboo@localnet.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best place to buy Plastic Honey Bottles Date: 15 Oct 2003 15:00:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0310151400.3b2943cb@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066255243 1983 127.0.0.1 (15 Oct 2003 22:00:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36563 Brian wrote in message news:... > My Dad finally had a good year and got some honey (not as much as some > people here only about 25 gallons) > He got some plastic bottles and used them all up and I am in charge of > finding a place that has a good price and more important good service > and quality. > Does anybody want to share some good places ? > > Thanks. > > ps reply here or change my email to .net Shipping costs make quite a difference. Of you don't need water clear pet bottles try the economy poly bottles Betterbee has with flip top closures. From csoderquist@wideopenwest.com Wed Oct 15 22:31:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.wideopenwest.com!news.wideopenwest.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:10:07 -0500 From: "csoderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Best place to buy Plastic Honey Bottles Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:10:02 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.151.50.130 X-Trace: sv3-PYcq9DgqHlekzmwSck90ltJvbk2VMOxoWYpRXn5tqzlQ+cVLs4t4QmHmkquptsAnRfTlITeggmBrl4S!YoY+ZBHhN/uLGmTMjME+idlBU+YG6vbV5KDInWnJ+OYEelDc4RESZ3/uwe1AxEJAJhWQjpbGG318!0u9oM5Te0OCdjs0TR6KxBZA3drFceybfcju4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36564 http://www.sailorplastics.com "Brian" wrote in message news:YWcjb.5419$Bv6.1661925@news1.epix.net... > My Dad finally had a good year and got some honey (not as much as some > people here only about 25 gallons) > He got some plastic bottles and used them all up and I am in charge of > finding a place that has a good price and more important good service > and quality. > Does anybody want to share some good places ? > > Thanks. > > ps reply here or change my email to .net > From Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Wed Oct 15 22:31:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is new Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:58:08 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3f8ddef3$0$54871$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.31 X-Trace: 1066262259 dread11.news.tele.dk 54871 195.249.242.31:43416 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36565 Chances done in new software! 2003/10/15 Expanded some fields to capture more text. Made it possible to edit queen lines. Lines on queen screen not shown in full lengths will be shown full in hints. Changed the appearance of screens so that if a new bee year starts, the first screen will be the import of previous bee year. The import screen now shows hives instead of queens. When running the queen entry screen more than once, the Combo box drop down lists got cleared. This was an error and is now fixed. The grouping of hives is removed from the Auto create hives screen, but is still active from quick entry. On quick entry the default structure button is removed. It had no useful function. If no structure is present the English will be loaded. Fields will be in selected language but groups must be renamed separately from structure editor. Both the search and filter structure editor. Please see the hive number as a index number needed to get the database to work. If you want to give your hives a number then mark the bottom board, because all the other parts of the hive can be shifted around so that the number can be placed on wrong hive. You will have three choices for updating the software. 1. a zip file You have to extract yourself beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.zip on Apimo 2. an install issue of the same beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.exe on Apimo 3. a zip file You have to extract yourself beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.zip on TDC -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. From Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Wed Oct 15 22:31:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is new Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:03:51 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3f8de04a$0$54850$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.31 X-Trace: 1066262602 dread11.news.tele.dk 54850 195.249.242.31:1766 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36566 Chances done in new software! 2003/10/15 Expanded some fields to capture more text. Made it possible to edit queen lines. Lines on queen screen not shown in full lengths will be shown full in hints. Changed the appearance of screens so that if a new bee year starts, the first screen will be the import of previous bee year. The import screen now shows hives instead of queens. When running the queen entry screen more than once, the Combo box drop down lists got cleared. This was an error and is now fixed. The grouping of hives is removed from the Auto create hives screen, but is still active from quick entry. On quick entry the default structure button is removed. It had no useful function. If no structure is present the English will be loaded. Fields will be in selected language but groups must be renamed separately from structure editor. Both the search and filter structure editor. Please see the hive number as a index number needed to get the database to work. If you want to give your hives a number then mark the bottom board, because all the other parts of the hive can be shifted around so that the number can be placed on wrong hive. You will have three choices for updating the software. 1. a zip file You have to extract yourself beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.zip on Apimo 2. an install issue of the same beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.exe on Apimo 3. a zip file You have to extract yourself beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.zip on TDC -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. From lithar@hcis.net Sun Oct 19 08:37:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:50:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:45:50 -0500 From: AL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best place to buy Plastic Honey Bottles References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.111 X-Trace: sv3-NoF2Y02lHN5cQqzTh4a6Ey9JDFgwFX9rhjqwes81JQ38q5OBGJ655btL1N5R4qHLHmWjRz++7jJpxB4!FwSYl77kV1amGjqVXvkGuJh6M3TkenXMluEn9MxGRLj2b3laprKRTWvJXJ+HCaWgiSWc7CDpFBxk!3pTOyu9Z8lg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36567 Brian wrote: > My Dad finally had a good year and got some honey (not as much as some > people here only about 25 gallons) > He got some plastic bottles and used them all up and I am in charge of > finding a place that has a good price and more important good service > and quality. > Does anybody want to share some good places ? > > Thanks. > > ps reply here or change my email to .net > I've always been pleased with the business I've done with Brushy Mtn. http://www.beeequipment.com/ AL From bamboo@localnet.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chinese honey Date: 16 Oct 2003 08:49:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0310160749.5904e2a8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.15.131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066319341 17488 127.0.0.1 (16 Oct 2003 15:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36568 This Saturday at 9AM Pacific, the Food Chain with Michael Olson hosts Gene Brandi, Chairman of the National Honey Board, for a conversation about the tide of Chinese honey flooding into the United States. (Listen here: http://www.metrofarm.com/index.asp?cat=40088) From dainton@blueyonder.co.uk Sun Oct 19 08:37:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dainton@blueyonder.co.uk (chrisd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: set honey Date: 16 Oct 2003 12:01:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: <70b9802c.0310161101.449865c1@posting.google.com> References: <70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.48.99.145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066330914 27262 127.0.0.1 (16 Oct 2003 19:01:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36569 Thanks Mark I suspect the problem is unlikely to be a high moisture content. Weve had a very dry summer and this batch is at 17.5% which is good. It could be something to do with the type of sugar content perhaps but I know little about that. Chris "me" wrote in message news:... > Chris, I'm no expert in this area, but suspect that your honey began at a > moisture content close to 19 %. As it crystallized, more water was freed to > go into solution. Now the moisture content of the solution is probably in > the 22% plus range. I think you'll need to filter out the crystals to check > the moisture content of the solution. Let us know what you find. > > (West Texas) Mark > > "chrisd" wrote in message > news:70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com... > I usually have no problem seeding my honey but the last 2 years I have > difficulty getting it to set. Is there a honey that is disinclined to > set? I have extracted from our summer flow which was removed in early > August (Gloucestershire UK). Certainly lime and blackberry but perhaps > broad bean and balsam might possibly be in the batch. I start by > cooling the liquified honey overnight and add the seed by mixing 2lb > set to 2lb liquified on the first day.Then that 4lb to 4lb liquified > on the second day. Then that 8lb to 8lb liquified etc. etc. After > that the idea is to add one 30lb tub of set honey to one tub liquified > honey. All hopefully at between 16- 20 degrees C. It usually works by > the book but the honey refuses to set and remains as a runny honey > with a set appearance. > Chris From galt_57@hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 16 Oct 2003 14:23:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.107.242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066339430 1519 127.0.0.1 (16 Oct 2003 21:23:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36570 I am interested in constructing an observation hive. What features would minimize the troublesomeness? I get the impression that the small size is the primary factor which causes trouble. I would like to construct a hive that would mount against a 30"x50" window consisting of a number of sections that could be re-ordered to bring different areas of the hive into view as well as to allow expansion of the depth of the hive. I'm also hoping to have some sections be top-bar type so I can see how these work. I will be studying whatever plans I can find to gain a better understanding of the "beespace" dimensions that work best. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks! From openit_400@hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: openit_400@hotmail.com (QQ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inforamtion Date: 17 Oct 2003 03:50:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 202 Message-ID: <511d3bc1.0310170250.3b469513@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.113.233.133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066387800 4457 127.0.0.1 (17 Oct 2003 10:50:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36571 Please forward these message to your Chinese fellows, Taiwanese, as well as people from Hong Kong., Macao. Thank you for your kind help. Attention to Chinese Student and Scholars studying aboard, some DaLai Lama, Lama monks from Tibet, monks from Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macao, Tai Wan as well as US, Canada, Australia, Japan etc countries pretend to be staff of Chinese consult, someone practicing Yoga, or God and talk to students and scholars in their head all day long. Telling them that they are tagged and monitored by FBI, police or security. A portion of these temples are listed as followed.: St. Louis Wang Jue Temple,, St. Louis, MO, USA Chicago Area： TIAN LONG TEMPLE ,106 West Cermak Rd; Chicago, IL 60616, U.S.A Zhen Jue Yemple, 5414 N. Broadway, Chicago, IL 60640, U.S.A, QUAN AM TU BUDDHIST TEMPLE ,1509-9th St. E. East Moline , IL 61244, U.S.A.， TARA TEMPLE 1 S. 171 Pine Lombard, IL 60148,USA, MIDWEST BUDDHIST TEMPLE ,435 West Menomonee Street Chicago, IL 60614, USA Los Angeles Area: Fa Yun Temple, 1185 Lawrence Rd., Danville, CA 94506, U. S. A Thubten Dhargye Ling ，3500 E. 4th Street, Long Beach, CA 90814, U.S.A, Yuan Jue Temple, 2451 Workman Street, Los Angeles, CA 90031, U.S.A， Yuan Rong Temple，6310 E. Olympic Blvd, Los Angeles, CA.90022, U.S.A）， San Francisco Buddhist Church of San Francisco，1881 Pine St, San Francisco, CA, USA Toronto Area： Hong Fa Temple (1330 Bloor St. W, Toronto, Ont. M6H 1P2, Canada), Toronto Buddhist Church（918 Bathurst Street, Toronto, O.N. Canada M3R 3G5， Canada）， Cham Shan Temple,7254 Bayview Ave., Thornhill, Ont. L3T 2R6, Canada Thunder Bay Buddhist Fellowship,Thunder Bay, Ontario，Canada Tai Bay (Ching Kwok) Buddhist Temple of Toronto, Chùa Chánh Giác, 300 Bathurst St.,Toronto, Ont. M5T 2S3, Canada, Tengye Ling Tibetan Buddhist Temple (11 Madison Ave.,(near Bloor and Spadina), Toronto, Ont. M5R 2S2, Canada Fu Sien Tong Buddhist Temple (185 Niagara St., Toronto, Ont. M5V 1C9, Canada), Fo Guang Shan Temple of Toronto (International Buddhist Progress Society of Toronto--IBPS),6525 Millcreek Dr.,Mississauga, Ont. L5N 7K6, Canada Pho Hien Buddhist Community Temple ,722 The Queensway (at Royal York Road) , Etobicoke, Ont. M8Y 1L3, Canada Tara Vihara,70 East Beaver Creek Road, Unit 32 Richmond Hill, Ont. L4B 3B2, Canada Hamilton Buddhist Temple，671 Tate Ave.,Hamilton, Ont. L8H 6L5 Po Chai Temple， 84 Swanwick Ave ，Toronto, Ont. M4E 1Z7 ，Canada Zen Buddhist Temple(Buddhist Society of Compassionate Wisdom)，297 College St. ,Toronto, Ont. M5T 1S2, Canada Riwoche Tibetan Buddhist Temple (Riwoche Society)，28 Heintzman St., Toronto, Ont. M6P 2J6, Canada Vancouver Area： Vancouver Buddhist Temple （220 Jackson Avenue Vancouver, BC V6A 3B3）， Steveston Buddhist Temple （4360 Garry Street ，Richmond, BC V7E 2V2, Canada）， Vernon Buddhist Temple ，P.O. Box 1886 ，Vernon, BC V1T 8Z7， Canada）， Institute of Buddish Learning & practice (Vancouver) (4411 Brown Road, Richmond, B.C. Canada), Taiwan Jixiong, Taiwang Beijing Area Bai Ta Temple, Fu Chen Gate, Xi Chen Distric， Beijing， P。R。 China Ci Yun Temple， Chao Yang District, P.R. China Chen Sou Temple, Chong Wen District, Beijing, P.R. China Tian Ning Temple, Xuan Wu District, Beijing, P. R. China Shi Jia Temple, Xuan Wu District, Beijing, P. R. China Da Fei Temple, Xi Chen District, Beijing, P.R. China Bao Fu Temple, Hai Dian District, Beijing, P.R China Bei Ji Temple, Hai Dian Temple, Beijing, P.R. China Guang Ji Temple, Xi Chen District, Beijing, P. R. China Ji Tu Temple, Xi Zhi Men Wai, Beijing， PR China A temple in Bei Xiao Yin, Mai Zhuan, Shui Nan, Tong Zhou District, Beijing, P. R. China BaiYun Guan， Xuan Wu District, Beijing, P. R. China Shanghai Jing An Temple, Jingan District, Shanghai, P.R. China Fujian Province Guang Hua Temple, Putian, Fujian, P.R. China Zhao Ming Temple, Fuding, Fujian, P.R. China Zhao Guo Temple, Fuding, Fujian, P. R. China Chan Lin Temple, Fuding, Fujian, P. R. China Xiao Huang Yan， Putian， Fujian, Fujian, P. R. China He Yi Temple, Han Jian, Putian, Fujian, P.R. China Lai Yuan Temple， Jian Kou， Putian, Fujian, P. R. China, Some temples in Xiapu, Fujian, P.R. China Some temples in Zherong, Fujian, P.R. China Minhou, Fujian，P.R.China Changle，Fujian, P.R. China Zhejiang Province Lin Yin Temple, Hanzhou, Zhejiang, P. R. China Wu Tai Mountain (Wu Tai Shan), Zhejiang, P.R. China Wen Zhou, Zhejiang, P.R. China Pingyang, Zhejiang, P,R. China Cangnan, Zhejinag, P.R. China Ruian，Zhejiang , P.R.China Jiangshu Lin Gu Temple， Nanjing， Jiangsu， P.R. China Ji Mi Temple. Nanjing, Jiangsu, P.R. China Bi Ru Temple, Nanjing, Jiangsu, P.R. China Shi Zhi Lin Temple, Nanjing, Jiangsu, P.R. China Da Jue Temple, Nanjing, Jiangsu, P.R. China Ji Le Temple, Jiang Pu, Jiangsu, P.R. China Jing Hai Temple, Nanjing, Jiangsu, P.R. China Lai Fu Temple Su Zhou, Jiangsu, P. R. China Tianjin ` Wen Temple, Tianjin, P.R. China Da Bei Temple, Tianjin, P.R. China Gua Jia Temple, Tianjin, P.R. China Hai Guang Temple, Tianjin, P.R. China Guang Yuan Temple, Xi Qing District, Tianjin, P.R. China Henan Province Shao Lin Temple, Song Shan, Dengfen, Henan，P.R. China Hong Kong Area Bao Lian Temple, Hong Kong Zhi Lian Temple, Jiu Rong, Hong Kong Shan Bao Temple, Jiu Rong, Hong Kong Rong Hua Temple, Jiu Rong , Hong Kong Hunan Province An Ju Temple, Changsa， Hunan， P.R.China Le Tu Temple, Changsa， Hunan， P.R.China Shenzhen Qing Yun Temple. Xian Hu, Shenzhen, P.R. China A temple in the area of Zhao Xia, Bao An District, Shenzhen, P.R. China In addition to above temples, there are more temples from US , Canada, Taiwan as well as some temples from Shanghai, Zhejiang, Tianjin, Beijing, Fujian, Hebei, Hunan, Shandong, Jiangsu , Tibet and Hong Kong,. as well as some monks from Peng Lai in Shandong Province, Pan Zhi Hua， Zhi Gong in Shichuan province, Xi Shuan Ban Na in Yunnan Province. The monks from these temples are sinful in circumvent Students and Scholars. They are modern Hitler. These monks have deep conflicts each other. They utilize small things and always make up something to dame students and scholar’s life. Monks also utilized talking to student all day long and control students to fight each other. Actually, These student and scholars are not monitored at all. At most their telephone are tagged. Those who hear these voice in their head make sure do not anxious. Those who talking to students and scholars are Dalai Lama and monks from Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macao, Tai Wan , Tibet, as well as US, Canada, Australia, Japan etc. who having “ special functions” (te yi gong neng). They are able to talk to people in someone’s head and control them from several yards to several hundred miles away. They utilized these “ special functions” (te yi gong neng) and talk to students and scholars all day long. They are able to move their “soul” to normal people by “ special functions”. Then they utilize their “soul” to control another person’ s behavior, even what another person talks. They are living in the temples and obtain these “ special functions” (te yi gong neng) by practicing Qigong , Meditate(Da Zuo), Yoga, etc. Most students and scholars who hear these voice are very honest. Usually, they are not good at social. Some of them are not get along with people very well. If going to visit doctors, they will be considered to be depress. Some of them are forced back to Chine by these malicious monks, Some of them are forced to suicide. Some of their urine are being suppressed and being killed slowly. The students and scholar’s food，food containers are poisoned and beat by acupuncture (Dian Xue) from long distance. Their electric applicances, such as computer, TV, heaters, are being broken. These students and scholar’s life as well as their relative’s life are being threaten by these malicious monks. These malicious monks even threaten students and scholar’s next generation ’s life. Sometime, they are not able to study and work as their usual way because there are being controlled by monks. Actually, these students and scholars are normal. Modern science can not explain how these monks talk and control students. But this phenomenon does exist. Some literature in Qigong and Buddhist sutra do describe these phenomenon. If you hear these voices in the heard, make sure that you do not have to come back to China no matter how they threaten you . Try you best to stay in the US and visit American churches (not Chinese or Tibetan temples) may help. Things will not changed if you backed to China as instructed., sometime even worse. Social with classmate and people around you may be helpful. Talk to them and make more friends.. Take cold water bath, especially when they just start to talk to you. Those who talk to you are monks who has “ special functions” (te yi gong neng). They are not God. God will condemn these malicious monks. We are students and scholars who have nothing to do with monks, why these monks do these to students? From tarheit@wcoil.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 17 Oct 2003 13:40:12 GMT Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.148.235 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36572 On 16 Oct 2003 14:23:50 -0700, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: >I am interested in constructing an observation hive. What features >would minimize the troublesomeness? I get the impression that the >small size is the primary factor which causes trouble. I would like to >construct a hive that would mount against a 30"x50" window consisting >of a number of sections that could be re-ordered to bring different >areas of the hive into view as well as to allow expansion of the depth >of the hive. I'm also hoping to have some sections be top-bar type so >I can see how these work. I will be studying whatever plans I can find >to gain a better understanding of the "beespace" dimensions that work >best. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks! See www.beesource.com for some observation hive plans. It should give you a good idea on general dimentions and bee spacing. To minimize problems with an observation hive it needs to be as large as reasonably possible. Larger observation hives can also be overwintered. A couple sources I've read recommend a size of 3 deeps and 3 mediums as a minimum overwintering size. My observation hive is 8 medium frames (roughly equivalent area to 3 deeps and 3 medium frames). It is single wide and hangs inside the house sticking out from the wall on hinges (fence hinges) so it can rotate flush to the wall or be removed easily. The entrance is though a 1" inner diameter tube which seems to work well. Don't forget ventelation in the hive, I would error on the size of two much (cover the holes with 8 wire mesh) and the bees will close off the ones they want. Light doesn't bother them, but direct sunlight will cause big problems (heat). Mine is in a location where it doesn't get direct sunlight so both sides are uncovered plexiglass. An easily accessable and secure feeder is important as well. It must be easy to change without letting bees out, but not just sitting on top so the cat can knock it off. Mine is mounted on the side on the opposite side as the opening and seems to work well. I installed a swarm this may on foundation, and so far have had to do little maintenance (the less prolific old queen may help). I don't have a website set up with pictures yet, so email me if you want pictures. -Tim From treasure_55@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Kemp LaMunyon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:00:57 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kemp LaMunyon" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36573 I was wondering if anyone here was from SE Washington state? Around the Walla Walla area? -- Thanks Kemp From galt_57@hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 17 Oct 2003 12:26:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 56 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310171126.75f0b20b@posting.google.com> References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.108.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066418787 29475 127.0.0.1 (17 Oct 2003 19:26:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36574 tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > On 16 Oct 2003 14:23:50 -0700, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: > > >I am interested in constructing an observation hive. What features > >would minimize the troublesomeness? I get the impression that the > >small size is the primary factor which causes trouble. I would like to > >construct a hive that would mount against a 30"x50" window consisting > >of a number of sections that could be re-ordered to bring different > >areas of the hive into view as well as to allow expansion of the depth > >of the hive. I'm also hoping to have some sections be top-bar type so > >I can see how these work. I will be studying whatever plans I can find > >to gain a better understanding of the "beespace" dimensions that work > >best. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks! > > See www.beesource.com for some observation hive plans. It should give > you a good idea on general dimentions and bee spacing. > > To minimize problems with an observation hive it needs to be as large > as reasonably possible. Larger observation hives can also be > overwintered. A couple sources I've read recommend a size of 3 deeps > and 3 mediums as a minimum overwintering size. > > My observation hive is 8 medium frames (roughly equivalent area to 3 > deeps and 3 medium frames). It is single wide and hangs inside the > house sticking out from the wall on hinges (fence hinges) so it can > rotate flush to the wall or be removed easily. The entrance is though > a 1" inner diameter tube which seems to work well. Don't forget > ventelation in the hive, I would error on the size of two much (cover > the holes with 8 wire mesh) and the bees will close off the ones they > want. > > Light doesn't bother them, but direct sunlight will cause big problems > (heat). Mine is in a location where it doesn't get direct sunlight > so both sides are uncovered plexiglass. > > An easily accessable and secure feeder is important as well. It must > be easy to change without letting bees out, but not just sitting on > top so the cat can knock it off. Mine is mounted on the side on the > opposite side as the opening and seems to work well. > > I installed a swarm this May on foundation, and so far have had to do > little maintenance (the less prolific old queen may help). > > I don't have a website set up with pictures yet, so email me if you > want pictures. > > -Tim Thanks for the info. Beesource has a nice collection of plans. Due to the level of paranoia at my house I will have to mount this hive outside the window, but there are some advantages to that. I hope to at least come up with a design that will let me shuffle sections to find the most interesting view. Does anyone have a proven scheme to count bees as they come and go? I was pondering the idea of using photocells. Thanks. From news@apimo.dk Sun Oct 19 08:37:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <5591d176.0310171126.75f0b20b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:25:59 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3f907a87$0$29409$edfadb0f@dread15.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.57 X-Trace: 1066433159 dread15.news.tele.dk 29409 195.249.242.57:50245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36575 > Does anyone have a proven scheme to count bees as they come and go? I > was pondering the idea of using photocells. Take a look at this url! http://users.pandora.be/lowland/ From treasure_55@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Kemp LaMunyon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: strange bee Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:17:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kemp LaMunyon" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36576 I was just out looking at the Mums that my wife planted and they are really popping blooms now. I also noticed that all but one was being visited by bees and hover flies and other flyers. I saw one that really caught my eye. It is about half inch long..shaped like a yellow jacket. But it had a green head and mid-section with what looked like a black striped rear. It's wings laid flat and straight back. The hover flies wings pointed straight out so I am not mistaking them. There was also a black `1/4" wasp looking bee, then another similar to that only about an eighth inch long maybe..but it had two very long antennae...I was really amazed they would be out this late in the year. I did go out and take some dig pics but they turned out pretty bad.. could someone tell me what I just saw? -- Thanks Kemp From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Sun Oct 19 08:37:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:00:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1066471210 4.62.104.58 (Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:00:10 PDT) jcaldeira@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:00:10 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36577 galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: >I am interested in constructing an observation hive. What features >would minimize the troublesomeness? The bottom of the second web page in my Observation Bee Hives section lists some designs considerations: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/index.htm John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/ From plater122@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 08:37:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.gbronline.com!news.gbronline.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:16:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:27:30 -0400 From: plater User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.9.66.30 X-Trace: sv3-UKGpOfsFalbMHbo+jgKVkSMlStQImssBk+65yS9CrYRtXN/dtLQ3/1FthYfUE6f3fKEwg2PvdtF/AGL!7gEtX1G89FNyvtuL00a5lF8iuc8wmzOeemkFjnPeONpsdKErJTazQZE9VoKzWXg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36578 Tim Arheit wrote to galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave): > I don't have a website set up with pictures yet, so email me if you > want pictures. > > -Tim Tim, If it is not too much trouble, I, also, would like to see pictures of your abservation hive. Sounds interesting. How long have you had yours installed? -=- terry -=- From kadney@turbotek.net Sun Oct 19 08:37:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inforamtion Date: 18 Oct 2003 11:20:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0310181020.6a7fd986@posting.google.com> References: <511d3bc1.0310170250.3b469513@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.75.200.54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066501246 22605 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2003 18:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36579 Just when you think life is as strange as it can be...it gets stranger. From steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 19 08:37:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!194.168.4.91.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Museum Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:01:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.7.246.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net 1066518067 80.7.246.173 (Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:01:07 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:01:07 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36580 Hello all, When visiting Brittany in France a couple of year agi I saw a bee museum of some form advertised in Arras. Has anybody been there? Do you know what it is like? Thinking of taking a group of local beekeepers on a visit and thought this might be a good idea. Is there anything else bee-related in Northern France that might be worth a visit at the same time? Thanks From bamboo@localnet.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:44 EST 2003 Article: 36581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: strange bee Date: 19 Oct 2003 07:41:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0310190641.12341808@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066574478 7513 127.0.0.1 (19 Oct 2003 14:41:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36581 "Kemp LaMunyon" wrote in message news:... > I was just out looking at the Mums that my wife planted and > they are really popping blooms now. I also noticed that all > but one was being visited by bees and hover flies and other > flyers. > > I saw one that really caught my eye. It is about half inch > long..shaped like a yellow jacket. But it had a green head and > mid-section with what looked like a black striped rear. It's > wings laid flat and straight back. The hover flies wings > pointed straight out so I am not mistaking them. > > There was also a black `1/4" wasp looking bee, > > then another similar to that only about an eighth inch long > maybe..but it had two very long antennae...I was really amazed > they would be out this late in the year. I did go out and take > some dig pics but they turned out pretty bad.. could someone > tell me what I just saw? Halictids, virescent bees , bee flies.and etc some work well after the honeybee stays home in cool weather. Be a bit easier to determine if you gave a location. From treasure_55@yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:45 EST 2003 Article: 36582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Kemp LaMunyon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: strange bee Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:34:32 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kemp LaMunyon" References: <23e8adb1.0310190641.12341808@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36582 I live in SE Washington State. It was pretty cool yesterday, I saw yellow jackets, Honeybees, Wasps, Hover flies, Bald faced Hornets, and the before mentioned bees. They were attacking this Ivy. I have never seen anything like it before.. All those bees and wasps just swarming on the flower heads of that Ivy. I wish my dig camera would have taken a better picture. Anyway I am very excited about learning about this hobby. and thanks for any assistance. -- Thanks Kemp From bertie.cannon@tiscali.co.uk Sun Oct 26 05:25:45 EST 2003 Article: 36583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bertie.cannon@tiscali.co.uk (albert cannon) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on placement of queen excluder Date: 19 Oct 2003 13:50:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9f3de94d.0310191250.74b7462a@posting.google.com> References: <9C98b.1488$ev2.922919@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> <23e8adb1.0309220633.198a2b0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.123.250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066596643 23671 127.0.0.1 (19 Oct 2003 20:50:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36583 ldq1@fsmail.net (Lester Quayle) wrote in message news:... > ways of doing anything. There is 'My way' and the wrong way. > France Albert was obviously a beekeeper. > In the UK QXs are universally used. Small brood boxes , short season > and small supers mean that without QXs you get brood everywhere in the > supers. Small brood chambers? Then why not use Modified Commercials they give you plenty of room, but of course each to his own. As regards the shifting brood frames about between hives, be very careful that you dont shift disease about. Otherwise take care and enjoy your beekeeping. One golden rule is.JOIN YOUR LOCAL BEEKEEPERS CLUB. Take Care and Stay Lucky. Albert From yellow.jacket@eudoramail.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:45 EST 2003 Article: 36584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:27:25 -0500 From: "Magnus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:27:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.80.241.172 X-Trace: sv3-QMm9ryYR0B4J5/Nxr7erSQ5b8MSJGTM7kGQvv9c9kzONbpy6qg3wKivdk5eXZ8cUrtwLV4Bh8r7phSk!B5e2vyfZLsx/jertrH7oj3REzSu2c7svWxlrg66OV0JSJDQ//enNucdZy4fqFA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36584 An old homecure for bee and wasp sting is to wet the area and apply salt, actually the best you can do is to apply a salca seltzer pill or a salty headache pill of the type you dissolve in water. Apply as soon as possible and the salt sucks much of the poison out of the sting. A medical explaination is that the high levels of salt on one side make fluids move towards the salt, bringing the poison, it's called osmosis and is used in many medicinal areas. mvh magnus "k.adey" wrote in message news:Ete7b.7717$cQ1.2142384@kent.svc.tds.net... > I would get a sack of diazonon crystals and spread them liberally on the > sand or ground where you suspect the wasps are coming from. Diazonon > crystals work well to kill just about all insects if you can place it near > their abode. > "Sonnie B." wrote in message > news:2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com... > > bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote in message > news:<23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com>... > > > > HERE'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW: > > > > > > > > I did some research on them and realized they are Eastern Sand Wasps: > > > > They look like black & white yellowjackets. > > > > > > > > Are these insects dangerous to children? > > > Allergy is rare but observe the kids for a while to make sure they > > > don't break out in hives or have difficulty breathing. > > > > > > > > How do you treat this kind of sting? > > > Put an ice cube on it. > > > > What could have prompted such a brutal attack? > > > These wasps raise their young in sand' don't confuse defense with > > > brutality. > > > > > > > Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? > > > Stay out of the sand. > > > > I am at a loss and we cannot play in the back yard until these bees > are gone. > > > Wasps are not bees > > > > How long will they be around for? > > > As long as there is an attractive sand bed it will be inviting to > > > these wasps. > > > > > > Well, I looked around to see any "holes" but I don't know exactly what > > I'm looking for. > > I went out in the morning, so there weren't any flying around, but > > again, I detected no "holes" > > in the sandbox or nearby. It is possible there are underground nests > > nearby in the brush. > > > > I have called a specialist/exterminator who is scheduled to come out > > in the morning. > > If I learn anything else I shall post the results. > > > > They did inform me that symptoms of allergic reaction of these bees > > are: > > - dizziness > > - numbness (in sting area extending as far as whole limb) > > - nausea and/or vomitting > > - confusion > > - slight panic or deliria > > - swelling of the membranes and throat > > - loss of consciousness > > > > More to come... > > From OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:46 EST 2003 Article: 36585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best place to buy Plastic Honey Bottles Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:06:05 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1066651567 28433783 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36585 I get mine from Simpson's Beekeeping Supplies. Shipping location will be a key factor. Also, BetterBee.. depends on the type I am looking for ...-- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Brian" wrote in message news:YWcjb.5419$Bv6.1661925@news1.epix.net... > My Dad finally had a good year and got some honey (not as much as some > people here only about 25 gallons) > He got some plastic bottles and used them all up and I am in charge of > finding a place that has a good price and more important good service > and quality. > Does anybody want to share some good places ? > > Thanks. > > ps reply here or change my email to .net > From martinez@nojunkrica.net Sun Oct 26 05:25:46 EST 2003 Article: 36586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:38:09 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36586 I'm intruigued byt the 'tube' type open bottom board. Can someone point me to plans and/or source for one? I've spoken with a fellow (very helpful BTW!) in France who makes them, but I think shipping is prohibitive and he has no US distributors yet... See: http://www.apiculture.com/happykeeper/index_us.htm a From tarheit@wcoil.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:47 EST 2003 Article: 36587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 20 Oct 2003 16:24:41 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.6 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36587 On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:27:30 -0400, plater wrote: > >Tim Arheit wrote to galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave): > >> I don't have a website set up with pictures yet, so email me if you >> want pictures. >> >> -Tim > > > Tim, > > If it is not too much trouble, I, also, would like to see > pictures of your abservation hive. Sounds interesting. > How long have you had yours installed? > It's been installed since about May of this year so it is relatively new. I'll try to get some pictures up in the next day or two and I'll drop you a link then. -Tim From user@host.domain Sun Oct 26 05:25:47 EST 2003 Article: 36588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:39:13 -0500 From: Peter KERR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Organization: spambusters References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:39:02 +1300 Message-ID: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 21 Oct 2003 14:39:23 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-Wm3biHYEfO3oihqseguVEM8ZhfrNHHN1o+yQUVC8RSNqyqGJgklpsMTaZHONEjcXZViPuyEeSriHHRh!xzjgnJxGrrQPaC4Qy8salI7zpb28iTRcytslRvb/bUCEa+kAXPqEcDc/7A9pOKwQfV/dVV+nmEXK!OMVlDdLhKxNC9kw= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36588 In article , "AMG" wrote: > I'm intruigued byt the 'tube' type open bottom board. Can someone point me > to plans and/or source for one? > > I've spoken with a fellow (very helpful BTW!) in France who makes them, but > I think shipping is prohibitive and he has no US distributors yet... See: > http://www.apiculture.com/happykeeper/index_us.htm > Well, not exactly what you're looking for, but there's an ineteresting story: New Scientist, 31 May 2003, p. 18 From kauhl-tbg@t-online.de Sun Oct 26 05:25:47 EST 2003 Article: 36589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "kauhl-mbg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:10:47 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1066767167 04 7053 ygEzV1uSTkHpyN 031021 20:12:47 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: rkhhTOZlge8XrrHoWIsbtX0wGKZwjXTm+NOHOtHrVlEzrwFyGut3UM X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36589 hello Peter & amg, I have looked to this mentionned article in New Scientist and will try this mirror method also, because when experimenting with bees in a brood chamber I noticed also an augmented falling rate of mites when bees were agitated - what concerns the bottom grid, I use it already for years to count the falling number of mites - but 90 % of them are dead, so the solution of your french fellow cannot work - ask him to count them also and then multiply this number by 200 and you have the quantity of the mites still existing inside the cluster - I am sure, we will hear from one another soon again - what about the british experiments with cluttering medicated flour over the cluster - mites will loose their hold (also confirmed by own experiments) - when I look at the mites under the stereoscope I wonder if there is any adhesive underpressure of their big dorsal shell, which protects them against all attacks - with apicultural passion from the Lake of Constance kauhl "Peter KERR" wrote in message news:user-A6FDA8.14390121102003@scream.auckland.ac.nz... > In article , > "AMG" wrote: > > I'm intruigued byt the 'tube' type open bottom board. Can someone point me > > to plans and/or source for one? > > > > I've spoken with a fellow (very helpful BTW!) in France who makes them, but > > I think shipping is prohibitive and he has no US distributors yet... See: > > http://www.apiculture.com/happykeeper/index_us.htm > > > > Well, not exactly what you're looking for, but there's an ineteresting > story: New Scientist, 31 May 2003, p. 18 From galt_57@hotmail.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:47 EST 2003 Article: 36590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: 21 Oct 2003 18:04:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310211704.6db5950d@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.106.138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066784682 6437 127.0.0.1 (22 Oct 2003 01:04:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36590 "AMG" wrote in message news:... > I'm intruigued byt the 'tube' type open bottom board. Can someone point me > to plans and/or source for one? > > I've spoken with a fellow (very helpful BTW!) in France who makes them, but > I think shipping is prohibitive and he has no US distributors yet... See: > http://www.apiculture.com/happykeeper/index_us.htm > Looks interesting. I'd think this could be constructed out of PVC water pipe. Might want to paint it to make the surface more slippery though. From galt_57@hotmail.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:48 EST 2003 Article: 36591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: 22 Oct 2003 10:42:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310220942.34ea1c9b@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.109.112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1066844541 20271 127.0.0.1 (22 Oct 2003 17:42:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36591 "kauhl-mbg" wrote in message news:... > hello Peter & amg, > I have looked to this mentionned article in New Scientist and will try > this mirror method also, because when experimenting with bees > in a brood chamber I noticed also an augmented falling rate of mites > when bees were agitated - > what concerns the bottom grid, I use it already for years to count > the falling number of mites - but 90 % of them are dead, so the > solution of your french fellow cannot work - > ask him to count them also and then multiply this number by > 200 and you have the quantity of the mites still existing inside > the cluster - > I am sure, we will hear from one another soon again - > what about the british experiments with cluttering medicated > flour over the cluster - mites will loose their hold (also confirmed > by own experiments) - > when I look at the mites under the stereoscope I wonder if > there is any adhesive underpressure of their big dorsal shell, > which protects them against all attacks - > with apicultural passion from the Lake of Constance > kauhl > Hi. Very interesting. So are you saying the method is disproven -- or that it might work if the bees are also periodically floured and stirred? Is it possible some other mechanical method (a brush?) might help to dislodge the mites? The drones seem to be a particular target. From martinez@nojunkrica.net Sun Oct 26 05:25:48 EST 2003 Article: 36592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:20:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310220942.34ea1c9b@posting.google.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36592 "Dave" wrote in message news:5591d176.0310220942.34ea1c9b@posting.google.com... > "kauhl-mbg" wrote in message news:... > > hello Peter & amg, > > I have looked to this mentionned article in New Scientist and will try > > this mirror method also, because when experimenting with bees > > in a brood chamber I noticed also an augmented falling rate of mites > > when bees were agitated - > > what concerns the bottom grid, I use it already for years to count > > the falling number of mites - but 90 % of them are dead, so the > > solution of your french fellow cannot work - > > ask him to count them also and then multiply this number by > > 200 and you have the quantity of the mites still existing inside > > the cluster - > > I am sure, we will hear from one another soon again - > > what about the british experiments with cluttering medicated > > flour over the cluster - mites will loose their hold (also confirmed > > by own experiments) - > > when I look at the mites under the stereoscope I wonder if > > there is any adhesive underpressure of their big dorsal shell, > > which protects them against all attacks - > > with apicultural passion from the Lake of Constance > > kauhl > > > > Hi. Very interesting. So are you saying the method is disproven -- or > that it might work if the bees are also periodically floured and > stirred? Is it possible some other mechanical method (a brush?) might > help to dislodge the mites? The drones seem to be a particular target. As I understand the argument for 'open' bottom boards, and tube types in particular, mites are known (?) to fall off and then re-attach to bees entering the hive (presumably walking on conventional bottom board). The Legris board would prevent this from happening. I figure it's worth a try if nothing else. a From user@host.domain Sun Oct 26 05:25:48 EST 2003 Article: 36593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:23:58 -0500 From: Peter KERR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Organization: spambusters References: <5591d176.0310220942.34ea1c9b@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:24:26 +1300 Message-ID: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 23 Oct 2003 18:24:11 +1300, scream.auckland.ac.nz Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-cqnbUR0hcLY60kjUgG48hykbu0rlzzbG45kDup/1h1RsLZNsbM3CF2WZHXRqAzeiBFIX+EuKqSN6eHS!H/TvPaXofvDVTLfBNBScGeMpSSwuYKks8GgtLRlHG0QGQmDMturqILJU76ol3exGfoCvt7rjArHN!uy9SfIJwOGZiCOg= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36593 In article , > > > > Hi. Very interesting. So are you saying the method is disproven -- or > > that it might work if the bees are also periodically floured and > > stirred? Is it possible some other mechanical method (a brush?) might > > help to dislodge the mites? The drones seem to be a particular target. > > As I understand the argument for 'open' bottom boards, and tube types in > particular, mites are known (?) to fall off and then re-attach to bees > entering the hive (presumably walking on conventional bottom board). The > Legris board would prevent this from happening. > > I figure it's worth a try if nothing else. What is not proven is that these mechanical methods (shaking, flouring, etc) can consistently remove enough mites to make it a useful tool. I have seen it suggested that anything less than 80% kill is not worth your time & effort. Two mechanical methods score well: drone brood removal, and that is labor intensive... and 4.9mm foundation, and the jury's still measuring honey production on that one... From dbyates@cox-internet.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:49 EST 2003 Article: 36594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!freenix!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Bruce Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:16:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36594 Went out to water my onions this afternoon. Approx 90 degrees. Bees were completely covering front of a 3 super hive and flying in large numbers all around. Started hitting me (not stinging) about 60 to 70 feet from the hive. A few even came in the house on me. Hive is almost 1 year old. Did not rob this year. Did not get this much action when I put a Crisco patty in about 2 months ago. We have a front that is supposed to be here in a couple of days and drop the temp down to the 40s & 50s. Any ideas on what might be causing this? Thanks, Bruce From me@home.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:49 EST 2003 Article: 36595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:03:30 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:03:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.175 X-Trace: sv3-eJcDothcnyhBuP+i3YYX1bzNjJgiRdMJrTJOE948ohdw869OIsF3/5bBrnnAsVFaNfuvzY5PqoGocA+!3xHlFcUbOwlbsFd26LnouYTCSD/LT5F0rGWFvF/Unj/ttWpJAEgFGimNLASibKv7ViHKMaM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36595 Your bees were on the verge of swarming. -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) Went out to water my onions this afternoon. Approx 90 degrees. Bees were completely covering front of a 3 super hive and flying in large numbers all around. Started hitting me (not stinging) about 60 to 70 feet from the hive. A few even came in the house on me. Hive is almost 1 year old. Did not rob this year. Did not get this much action when I put a Crisco patty in about 2 months ago. We have a front that is supposed to be here in a couple of days and drop the temp down to the 40s & 50s. Any ideas on what might be causing this? Thanks, Bruce From bobpursley@aol.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:49 EST 2003 Article: 36596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 30 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Oct 2003 00:27:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: usenet_offline-m16) Subject: Re: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Message-ID: <20031023202757.05539.00001802@mb-m16.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36596 In article , "me" writes: > >Went out to water my onions this afternoon. Approx 90 degrees. >Bees were completely covering front of a 3 super hive and flying in >large numbers all around. > >Started hitting me (not stinging) about 60 to 70 feet from the hive. A >few even came in the house on me. > >Hive is almost 1 year old. Did not rob this year. > >Did not get this much action when I put a Crisco patty in about 2 >months ago. > >We have a front that is supposed to be here in a couple of days and >drop the temp down to the 40s & 50s. > >Any ideas on what might be causing this? > Mark, I just looked at the Texas A&M listing of counties quarantined for the Africanized Bee. http://agnews.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/ENTO/Jun0702a.htm I am south of you, had the same and worse experience, it was Africanized Bees, my area (Hays County) it has almost taken all the fun out of keeping bees. Call your county agent. Bob Pursley From daniel@x.y Sun Oct 26 05:25:50 EST 2003 Article: 36597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!newsfeed.cwix.com!opentransit.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.is.co.za!news.is.co.za.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:37:02 -0500 X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 196.34.157.219 From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20031023202757.05539.00001802@mb-m16.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:37:01 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.209.98.67 X-Trace: sv3-RR7A4LalNso3/xC91M9mKezkRYng9O531JloqA79AYtSjPzCVJhhF9jQePMbshNtDA20NC0942sL7/y!r+hIJVlCxGyYZv7ffO4DytWRBYq72OL+98sygPT2cjORH5C86sC/4W9Fg5uRru+qC3s= X-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@is.co.za X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36597 Are you not allowed to colonise Africanized Bees? Regards D. > Mark, I just looked at the Texas A&M listing of counties quarantined for the > Africanized Bee. > > http://agnews.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/ENTO/Jun0702a.htm > > I am south of you, had the same and worse experience, it was Africanized Bees, > my area (Hays County) it has almost taken all the fun out of keeping bees. > Call your county agent. > Bob Pursley From paxwax1@ozonline.com.au Sun Oct 26 05:25:50 EST 2003 Article: 36598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: "paxwax1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Leafcutter bee Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:28:00 +1000 Organization: Australia On Line Pty Ltd Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1066994882.648940@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ozonline.com.au X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 1066994887 17945 203.4.248.42 (24 Oct 2003 11:28:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2003 11:28:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cache-Post-Path: kangaroo.ozonline.com.au!unknown@as-bri-1-161.ozonline.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36598 I'm looking for information on leafcutting bees native to Australia. Any idea of sites I could explore, would be welcome. Cheers for now. Pax From tarheit@wcoil.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:51 EST 2003 Article: 36599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Date: 24 Oct 2003 16:20:37 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.148.26 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36599 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:16:44 -0500, Bruce Yates wrote: >Went out to water my onions this afternoon. Approx 90 degrees. >Bees were completely covering front of a 3 super hive and flying in >large numbers all around. > >Started hitting me (not stinging) about 60 to 70 feet from the hive. A >few even came in the house on me. > >Hive is almost 1 year old. Did not rob this year. > >Did not get this much action when I put a Crisco patty in about 2 >months ago. > >We have a front that is supposed to be here in a couple of days and >drop the temp down to the 40s & 50s. > >Any ideas on what might be causing this? > >Thanks, >Bruce Lots of conditions can cause this. Queenlessness No nectar available. Pests bothering the hive. (Skunks repeatedly bothering the hive at night can result in a nasty hive even during the day, for example.) Robbing Bad weather Genetics (hive may have requeened itself and the result is agressive. (Not necessaryly a sign of AHB, it can happen in all areas, even areas without AHBs)) And probably more. -Tim From me@home.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:51 EST 2003 Article: 36600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:11:59 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20031023202757.05539.00001802@mb-m16.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:12:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.130 X-Trace: sv3-RJ3r5KgXXgY2vcFr18adenNYBKf+4b+URGX6575TvW7mX+Jt8LC8tuAMp6da2Zs/GIXWpgzBNMFbYnK!NWzRElSZoqaVylATwp4szRBjSdqLKpu7cpZvyO95WU0RI4Q6d2fjQk9Th7613AhgL9BATgE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36600 If you find some that has "Africanized" stamped on their head, let me know. Normal honey bees have cranky moments too. What's your point? -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message news:i5-dnXd_zOwdJwWiU-KYgw@is.co.za... Are you not allowed to colonise Africanized Bees? Regards D. > Mark, I just looked at the Texas A&M listing of counties quarantined for the > Africanized Bee. > > http://agnews.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/ENTO/Jun0702a.htm > > I am south of you, had the same and worse experience, it was Africanized Bees, > my area (Hays County) it has almost taken all the fun out of keeping bees. > Call your county agent. > Bob Pursley From me@home.com Sun Oct 26 05:25:51 EST 2003 Article: 36601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:19:39 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20031023202757.05539.00001802@mb-m16.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees are ticked off / any ideas? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:19:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.130 X-Trace: sv3-2aKO/Cl9X/CZZF9eZM1lCUCxrIB822QiefKx9ov+rkmfwcLQKgom+rFBYjtfUUgFRYrP1QZfpWe4bjp!3fOqVjqs0Ul0uDjjE5UgKx/WnRSrvGzerH24qAIokVmiBFJ8hO2XWO/Z44hTTm8SlD3E5HI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36601 Hays County south of me? Are you sure? What are you close to? (West Texas) Mark "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20031023202757.05539.00001802@mb-m16.aol.com... In article , "me" writes: > >Went out to water my onions this afternoon. Approx 90 degrees. >Bees were completely covering front of a 3 super hive and flying in >large numbers all around. > >Started hitting me (not stinging) about 60 to 70 feet from the hive. A >few even came in the house on me. > >Hive is almost 1 year old. Did not rob this year. > >Did not get this much action when I put a Crisco patty in about 2 >months ago. > >We have a front that is supposed to be here in a couple of days and >drop the temp down to the 40s & 50s. > >Any ideas on what might be causing this? > Mark, I just looked at the Texas A&M listing of counties quarantined for the Africanized Bee. http://agnews.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/ENTO/Jun0702a.htm I am south of you, had the same and worse experience, it was Africanized Bees, my area (Hays County) it has almost taken all the fun out of keeping bees. Call your county agent. Bob Pursley From ajo@notrealaddress.invalid Sun Oct 26 05:25:52 EST 2003 Article: 36602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter bee Message-ID: References: <1066994882.648940@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:30:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.199.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1067041841 198.164.199.107 (Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:30:41 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:30:41 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36602 On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:28:00 +1000, "paxwax1" wrote: >I'm looking for information on leafcutting bees native to Australia. Any >idea of sites I could explore, would be welcome. > Have you tried Google? Entering "leafcutting bees" shows 1570 entries. -- Ajo Wissink From paxwax1@ozonline.com.au Sun Oct 26 05:25:52 EST 2003 Article: 36603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: "paxwax1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Leafcutter bee Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:49:52 +1000 Organization: Australia On Line Pty Ltd Lines: 39 Message-ID: <1067050198.821214@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au> References: <1066994882.648940@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ozonline.com.au X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 1067050200 11897 203.4.248.42 (25 Oct 2003 02:50:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Oct 2003 02:50:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cache-Post-Path: kangaroo.ozonline.com.au!unknown@as-bri-1-115.ozonline.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36603 Yeah... Tried several search engines, (WebFerret). Yes there are many returns for 'leafcutter,' but if you refine the search to native+australian+leafcutter+bee, many entries are still referring to 'introduced' leafcutting bees. I have only found the sites below: they describe native leafcutter bees. http://faunanet.gov.au/wos/factfile.cfm?Fact_ID=242 http://www.floraforfauna.com/downloads/Factsheet_on_Native_Bees.pdf I still seek more information. I have been lucky enough to rectify my problem with the insect by moving the potted plant that they had been mining for about 6 months. The plant has begun to regenerate. But on my journey of looking into this insect, I have become quite enthused, and find the insect quite amazing. Hence I have posted in the hope that someone might share my interest and so know helpful sites. Cheers Pax "Ajo Wissink" wrote in message news:c0hjpvss7eu4teo7i0vhsn36hu2v20c73v@4ax.com... > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:28:00 +1000, "paxwax1" > wrote: > > >I'm looking for information on leafcutting bees native to Australia. Any > >idea of sites I could explore, would be welcome. > > > > Have you tried Google? > Entering "leafcutting bees" shows 1570 entries. > -- > Ajo Wissink From edeaver@NOSPAAMMMadelphia.net Sun Oct 26 05:25:52 EST 2003 Article: 36604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:08:59 -0500 From: Eric Deaver Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees in front of landing board Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: <5dblpv8nb1ssg59iisusl48dhssimfga3j@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Trace: sv3-TxlGvh7VOYyo6r4wrJLUC4u/Jg1MuNYL+KPl/E0j4xRbEfu2E1z4b5JsenJcSLrN6xlmDzcUn2EE1Hh!IQbDiMLgnHTQsz86cgabN7T0qylhzNsNNrcJ6FCj6mJN10MB/mjHBJeGL/Wv4nbZWDvm X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36604 It seems I have had a late season swarm from both of my two hives. Both have successfully requeened and I have new brood in both. One of my hives, though, has some strange things happening. Might be nothing but... I am feeding with a bucket feeder set on top the inner cover and inside an empty deep. This week (getting colder) some of the bees were grouped in a cluster in one corner of the deep - but above the inner cover. It was cold the night before but was not cold at the time I entered. The same hive had a whole bunch of rotten dead bees in the grass below the landing board. The other hive had none. Any ideas - might be nothing - I'm a little paranoid as this is my first winter with bees. TIA, Eric From Dickm@snet.net Sun Oct 26 05:25:53 EST 2003 Article: 36605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr16.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!7d212f99!not-for-mail From: "Dick Marron" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5591d176.0310211704.6db5950d@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.60.230.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr16.news.prodigy.com 1067123762 ST000 204.60.230.11 (Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:16:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:16:02 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDONQJTURS\XN[OX_TDB[X_LPO@FWY^D]\YIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:16:02 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36605 Can someone tell me how this is better that a simple screen? With a slide under the screen you can count the mites. HOw do you count the mites on theis thing? Dickm From tarheit@wcoil.com Tue Oct 28 10:02:43 EST 2003 Article: 36606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees in front of landing board Date: 27 Oct 2003 17:17:09 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <5dblpv8nb1ssg59iisusl48dhssimfga3j@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36606 On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:12:20 -0400, Eric Deaver wrote: >It seems I have had a late season swarm from both of my two hives. >Both have successfully requeened and I have new brood in both. One of >my hives, though, has some strange things happening. Might be nothing >but... > >I am feeding with a bucket feeder set on top the inner cover and >inside an empty deep. This week (getting colder) some of the bees >were grouped in a cluster in one corner of the deep - but above the >inner cover. It was cold the night before but was not cold at the >time I entered. > >The same hive had a whole bunch of rotten dead bees in the grass below >the landing board. The other hive had none. > >Any ideas - might be nothing - I'm a little paranoid as this is my >first winter with bees. Possibly a sign of robbing. How many bees and how much honey is left in the problem hive? Are there other signs of robbing? (chewed comb, etc.) -Tim From tarheit@wcoil.com Tue Oct 28 10:02:43 EST 2003 Article: 36607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 27 Oct 2003 17:17:57 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36607 The pictures are now posted: http://www.watchtv.net/~honeyrun/observation_hive/ -Tim On 20 Oct 2003 16:24:41 GMT, tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: >On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:27:30 -0400, plater >wrote: > >> >>Tim Arheit wrote to galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave): >> >>> I don't have a website set up with pictures yet, so email me if you >>> want pictures. >>> >>> -Tim >> >> >> Tim, >> >> If it is not too much trouble, I, also, would like to see >> pictures of your abservation hive. Sounds interesting. >> How long have you had yours installed? >> > >It's been installed since about May of this year so it is relatively >new. I'll try to get some pictures up in the next day or two and I'll >drop you a link then. > >-Tim From tarheit@wcoil.com Tue Oct 28 10:02:44 EST 2003 Article: 36608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: 27 Oct 2003 17:21:21 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310211704.6db5950d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36608 On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:16:02 GMT, "Dick Marron" wrote: >Can someone tell me how this is better that a simple screen? With a slide >under the screen you can count the mites. HOw do you count the mites on >theis thing? > >Dickm > > I'd assume you can count the mites that fall though just like the screen. Though I'm not sure that it would have any benifits over a screened bottom board except perhaps a reduced open area potentially reducing drafts in the hive? (I didn't see anything to this effect though). -TIm From reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk Tue Oct 28 10:02:44 EST 2003 Article: 36609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Charles Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> Lines: 16 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:51:18 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.102.75.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net 1067276824 81.102.75.47 (Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:47:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:47:04 GMT Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36609 Tim Arheit wrote: > The pictures are now posted: > > http://www.watchtv.net/~honeyrun/observation_hive/ > > -Tim That's a nicly designed and made hive, but I just have to ask ... How do you work the hive inside the house? When I had my observation hive in New Zealand I had it in the shed :) -- Charles Bob IS my uncle. From martinez@nojunkrica.net Tue Oct 28 10:02:45 EST 2003 Article: 36610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "AMG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legris bottom board - anti Varroa Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:14:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310211704.6db5950d@posting.google.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36610 "Tim Arheit" wrote in message news:bnjk6h$qd6$2@65.17.149.141... > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:16:02 GMT, "Dick Marron" > wrote: > > >Can someone tell me how this is better that a simple screen? With a slide > >under the screen you can count the mites. HOw do you count the mites on > >theis thing? > > > >Dickm > > > > > > I'd assume you can count the mites that fall though just like the > screen. Though I'm not sure that it would have any benifits over a > screened bottom board except perhaps a reduced open area potentially > reducing drafts in the hive? (I didn't see anything to this effect > though) Several benefits have been suggested (supported by empirical data): - bees have 'insulated' bottom to walk on - reduced chance of mites landing surface from which they can re-attach to bees - less open area, resulting in less stress on hive Unfortunately I cannot speak to any of these claims from personal experience. I regurgitate what I was told, FYI only. I do hope to try a 'tube' bottom board, when and if I can acquire or make one. a From galt_57@hotmail.com Tue Oct 28 10:02:45 EST 2003 Article: 36611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 27 Oct 2003 18:09:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310271809.7339e985@posting.google.com> References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.105.42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1067306945 6537 127.0.0.1 (28 Oct 2003 02:09:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36611 tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > > The pictures are now posted: > > http://www.watchtv.net/~honeyrun/observation_hive/ > > -Tim > Very interesting. Do you carry it outside to tend it? Too many cowards here for me to consider an indoor unit although I think that would be best. In the hive2 photo do I see comb being built on the glass? Do they seem to have any trouble finding the exit or do you keep the room lighting somewhat dim? Thanks. Dave From tarheit@wcoil.com Thu Oct 30 12:09:04 EST 2003 Article: 36612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 28 Oct 2003 17:23:49 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36612 On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:51:18 +0000, Charles wrote: >Tim Arheit wrote: > >> The pictures are now posted: >> >> http://www.watchtv.net/~honeyrun/observation_hive/ >> >> -Tim > >That's a nicly designed and made hive, but I just have to ask ... > >How do you work the hive inside the house? > >When I had my observation hive in New Zealand I had it in the shed :) >-- It's attached to the wall by a set of gate/fence hinges so that the whole unit can simply be lifted off and taken outside. (after the tube is detached and the opening taped shut of course). The hinges also alow the unit to be folded back flat against the wall should it be in the way. Not terribly light to move, but not bad. One person an move it reasonably. Fortunately I don't have to work it often. Based on this years experience I may only have to open it once or twice a year. This year I only needed to open it once to mark the queen after the swarm was originally installed. (submissions to the fair required a marked queen). -Tim From tarheit@wcoil.com Thu Oct 30 12:09:04 EST 2003 Article: 36613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 28 Oct 2003 17:34:43 GMT Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> <5591d176.0310271809.7339e985@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36613 On 27 Oct 2003 18:09:05 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: >tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... >> >> The pictures are now posted: >> >> http://www.watchtv.net/~honeyrun/observation_hive/ >> >> -Tim >> > >Very interesting. Do you carry it outside to tend it? Too many cowards >here for me to consider an indoor unit although I think that would be >best. Yes, it's mounted on hinges so it can easily be lifted off the wall. They make a acrylic sheet (under various names) that is 5 times stronger than glass or normal plexiglass. My original though was to make it two layers, one of glass so it could be cleaned more easily (inside) and one of the tough acrylic outside to protect from breakage. In the end I went with a single layer of acrylic. > In the hive2 photo do I see comb being built on the glass? Yes, they have eventually built some comb on the glass/plexiglass. Not too badly though, I'll probably want to scrape it about once a year to maintain visibility. It has made me wonder why bees won't build on damaged duraguilt when they will build on plexiglass (even if it is just burr comb) >Do >they seem to have any trouble finding the exit or do you keep the room >lighting somewhat dim? Thanks. They don't seem to have any problem finding the entrance. It's not kept in a dark room. The room gets the morning sun (though the hive is positioned so it doesn't get direct sunlight) -Tim From galt_57@hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 12:09:05 EST 2003 Article: 36614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 28 Oct 2003 10:54:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310281054.5037c2e6@posting.google.com> References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.109.66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1067367288 19896 127.0.0.1 (28 Oct 2003 18:54:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36614 tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > > The pictures are now posted: > > http://www.watchtv.net/~honeyrun/observation_hive/ > > -Tim > These photos of yours are quite inspirational and remind me that I need to go buy a digital camera. The padlocks are a nice touch. I am puzzling over the design trying to consider what I might do. I'm asking myself; 1. Will such a tall design create a condensation problem? I plan an outdoor hive and have high humidity. 2. Will the door get solidly glued shut? If so would something like a felt spacer help? Would wingnuts be more practical than door hinges? 3. In using standard frames is the proper beespace created against flat sides such as windows? 4. Would using larger frames be more efficient? 5. Would use of drawn comb be helpful to restrict the beespace immediately? 6. For a stable size I'm guessing at least three units like yours are needed? True? 7. For several such units, how could they be arranged? 8. Over what temperature range could bees be happy in such a thin hive? Thanks! Dave From BEE143@webtv.net Thu Oct 30 12:09:05 EST 2003 Article: 36615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: BEE143@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: shelf Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:13:18 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1269-3F9FAEDE-13@storefull-2137.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmPcSETgw43oa7B7caNtVzZSYlXwCFEmLtYkuEq06eVqb5mdc8cPE5p8H Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36615 Does anyone have drawings on how to build a small shelf to hold 6to8 1pound bottles that can be put on a store counter and not take up much room. thanks Rodney From tarheit@wcoil.com Thu Oct 30 12:09:05 EST 2003 Article: 36616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed2.kddnet.ad.jp!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd7cy1no!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 29 Oct 2003 17:50:49 GMT Lines: 98 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> <5591d176.0310281054.5037c2e6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36616 On 28 Oct 2003 10:54:48 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: > >These photos of yours are quite inspirational and remind me that I >need to go buy a digital camera. The padlocks are a nice touch. They're mostly there to keep the kids from 'accidently' opening it inside :) > I am >puzzling over the design trying to consider what I might do. I'm >asking myself; > >1. Will such a tall design create a condensation problem? I plan an >outdoor hive and have high humidity. It hasn't on mine. It may not be apparent from the photographs, but there is a 1" hole (screened on the inside), on either side of each frame, with three more from the top. Even on hot, humid summer days there was very little, if any condensation. The bees will propolize shut the screens if they think it is too much, so I would error on the side of too many vent holes. One thing to protect against if placing a observation hive outdoors is direct sunlight (or they will overheat). > >2. Will the door get solidly glued shut? If so would something like a >felt spacer help? Would wingnuts be more practical than door hinges? I've applied petrolium jelly around the door, and so far it hasn't been a problem. Some way to forceably remove the door would be good in any case. Time will tell, if it becomes a problem, I can just remove the hinges and replace it with something else > >3. In using standard frames is the proper beespace created against >flat sides such as windows? The width of the hive was designed so that the beespace was proper against the windows. Some (much) of the burr comb I've experienced was because the frame shifted someone in the slots and was uneven side to side. Next time I'll put spacers on the ears of the frame (making them slighly wider than the end bars) so they don't slip side to side. > >4. Would using larger frames be more efficient? I would use whatever size frame you have most of. I'm switching to using mediums for all my brood chambers and supers, so I used mediums in the observation hive so it would be compatible. If you use deeps in your brood chambers, then I would use the same in your observation hive. > >5. Would use of drawn comb be helpful to restrict the beespace >immediately? That didn't appear to be a problem. The bees built nice perfect comb (no burr comb) from the foundation at first. Only after several months did they start building any on the glass. > >6. For a stable size I'm guessing at least three units like yours are >needed? True? I've read that you need at least 3 deeps and 3 mediums or the equivalent space for a stable hive. (about a 5 frame nuc) It may swarm more often than a large hive but should overwinter and be pretty stable. > >7. For several such units, how could they be arranged? End to end, star/radially (might make an interesting free standing display.) I've seen some interesting designs that include several single wide frames at the bottom with almost a regular honey super on top. I'd love to do a 3 frame end to end by about 8-10 medium frames tall obersvation hive at the office (equivalent to a full size double deep in space), but I haven't talked them into it yet. :) (Some offices have a fish tank in the reception area, so why not an observation hive?) > >8. Over what temperature range could bees be happy in such a thin >hive? I suspect a single width hive would have some problem overwintering outdoors because they can't get a thick cluster. Insulation may help. I have observed established hives in the walls of a shed that overwinter just fine (3.5" wide, or about 2 frames wide), so I suspect they would do ok 2-3 frames wide. > >Thanks! > >Dave From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Oct 30 12:09:06 EST 2003 Article: 36617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: set honey Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:01:57 -0000 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.167.87 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1067459895 31393 217.135.167.87 (29 Oct 2003 20:38:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 2003 20:38:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36617 That is an awful lot of seed honey! I usually add 6-8lb of seed (fine set honey) to around 150lbs of liquid at 75-80F. Stir for 15 mins, 4 times a day (mechanical stirrer on timer) until it is too thick to stir. It can then be left until needed or bottled. Warm until it is sufficiently fluid to bottle (varies from 95-104F depending on the honey), but be careful not to melt it too much! Stir again before bottling. I suspect that you have a low glucose honey. Any borage in the area? This can have very high sucrose and not set for years! What about colour? Pure borage is white and looks like sugar syrup - it shines silvery. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "chrisd" wrote in message news:70b9802c.0310141158.4cc1793b@posting.google.com... > I usually have no problem seeding my honey but the last 2 years I have > difficulty getting it to set. Is there a honey that is disinclined to > set? I have extracted from our summer flow which was removed in early > August (Gloucestershire UK). Certainly lime and blackberry but perhaps > broad bean and balsam might possibly be in the batch. I start by > cooling the liquified honey overnight and add the seed by mixing 2lb > set to 2lb liquified on the first day.Then that 4lb to 4lb liquified > on the second day. Then that 8lb to 8lb liquified etc. etc. After > that the idea is to add one 30lb tub of set honey to one tub liquified > honey. All hopefully at between 16- 20 degrees C. It usually works by > the book but the honey refuses to set and remains as a runny honey > with a set appearance. > Chris From alanzen@nohostinvalid.com Thu Oct 30 12:09:06 EST 2003 Article: 36618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!7f138d70!not-for-mail From: Alanzen Subject: Re: shelf User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1269-3F9FAEDE-13@storefull-2137.public.lawson.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:15:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.74.154.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1067490938 67.74.154.129 (Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:15:38 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:15:38 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36618 On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:13:18 -0600, BEE143 wrote: > Does anyone have drawings on how to build a small shelf to hold 6to8 > 1pound bottles that can be put on a store counter and not take up much > room. thanks > Rodney Rodney, If you'll tell me what your skill level is at carpentry or metal working, and the tools you have to work, with I'll be happy to post a plan to fit both requirements. (I will post as a jpeg or png attachment if I hear no objections from the group, since this is not normally a binary group.) Alan S. From galt_57@hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 12:09:06 EST 2003 Article: 36619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 30 Oct 2003 07:45:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 131 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310300745.61f1f212@posting.google.com> References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> <5591d176.0310281054.5037c2e6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.117.66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1067528748 3263 127.0.0.1 (30 Oct 2003 15:45:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36619 tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > On 28 Oct 2003 10:54:48 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: > > > >These photos of yours are quite inspirational and remind me that I > >need to go buy a digital camera. The padlocks are a nice touch. > > They're mostly there to keep the kids from 'accidently' opening it > inside :) > > > I am puzzling over the design trying to consider what I might > >do. I'm asking myself; > > > >1. Will such a tall design create a condensation problem? I plan an > >outdoor hive and have high humidity. > > It hasn't on mine. It may not be apparent from the photographs, but > there is a 1" hole (screened on the inside), on either side of each > frame, with three more from the top. Even on hot, humid summer days > there was very little, if any condensation. The bees will propolize > shut the screens if they think it is too much, so I would error on the > side of too many vent holes. > > One thing to protect against if placing a observation hive outdoors is > direct sunlight (or they will overheat). > > > > >2. Will the door get solidly glued shut? If so would something like a > >felt spacer help? Would wingnuts be more practical than door hinges? > > I've applied petrolium jelly around the door, and so far it hasn't > been a problem. Some way to forceably remove the door would be good > in any case. Time will tell, if it becomes a problem, I can just > remove the hinges and replace it with something else > > > > >3. In using standard frames is the proper beespace created against > >flat sides such as windows? > > The width of the hive was designed so that the beespace was proper > against the windows. Some (much) of the burr comb I've experienced > was because the frame shifted someone in the slots and was uneven side > to side. Next time I'll put spacers on the ears of the frame (making > them slighly wider than the end bars) so they don't slip side to side. > > > > >4. Would using larger frames be more efficient? > > I would use whatever size frame you have most of. I'm switching to > using mediums for all my brood chambers and supers, so I used mediums > in the observation hive so it would be compatible. If you use deeps > in your brood chambers, then I would use the same in your observation > hive. > > > > >5. Would use of drawn comb be helpful to restrict the beespace > >immediately? > > That didn't appear to be a problem. The bees built nice perfect comb > (no burr comb) from the foundation at first. Only after several > months did they start building any on the glass. > > > >6. For a stable size I'm guessing at least three units like yours are > >needed? True? > > I've read that you need at least 3 deeps and 3 mediums or the > equivalent space for a stable hive. (about a 5 frame nuc) It may > swarm more often than a large hive but should overwinter and be pretty > stable. > > > > >7. For several such units, how could they be arranged? > > End to end, star/radially (might make an interesting free standing > display.) > > I've seen some interesting designs that include several single wide > frames at the bottom with almost a regular honey super on top. > > I'd love to do a 3 frame end to end by about 8-10 medium frames tall > obersvation hive at the office (equivalent to a full size double deep > in space), but I haven't talked them into it yet. :) (Some offices > have a fish tank in the reception area, so why not an observation > hive?) > > > > >8. Over what temperature range could bees be happy in such a thin > >hive? > > I suspect a single width hive would have some problem overwintering > outdoors because they can't get a thick cluster. Insulation may help. > I have observed established hives in the walls of a shed that > overwinter just fine (3.5" wide, or about 2 frames wide), so I > suspect they would do ok 2-3 frames wide. > Thanks Tim! I'm puzzling over a version that would be similar to yours but would mount outdoors on a window and consist of three units that would open like a book. They would be attached to each other with hinges and the glass would be recessed so that when closed the glass on adjacent sections would touch. The window frames would wrap around the internal frame on three sides and probably attach with countersunk screws. Let me list a few thoughts and questions; 1. In such a hive how much interconnection between the sections would be desirable? Would the queenless sections behave properly or could they tend toward swarmy behavior? (The interconnect method that seems most favorable to me would be loops of opaque flexible plastic pipe at the "spine" of the "book." An alternate scheme might be ridged passages that could be closed before the "book" is opened) 2. What various schemes could provide an optimal exit for such a hive? 3. I'm considering glass because outdoors I'm not too worried about breakage, however I am very worried about warping of the wood due to wet weather. 4. I'm thinking each section might as well have a feeder, but what feeder height is optimal? 5. You did not modify the frames so the top rail and upper third of each frame touch the glass? Does this accumulate debris? 6. After one season have you seen any problems occur? Pests? Robbing? 7. How did you populate your hive? Thanks much! Dave From news@apimo.dk Thu Oct 30 12:09:07 EST 2003 Article: 36620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stirring honey Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:56:26 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3fa13ac7$0$95067$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.112 X-Trace: 1067530951 dread11.news.tele.dk 95067 195.215.97.112:18026 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36620 Dear fellow Beekeepers! By stirring honey you should be aware of that a lot of aroma is leaving the honey and getting lost. By adding fine crystallized Honey you speed up the crystallizing, but it also give you the advantage of controlling the time when it is needed to stir. I myself only stir twice. first time when it starts to crystallize. then I stir until the honey turn into marbled sight. Next time I stir is when I want to bottle. I have a hand driven bottle machine so I stir the honey out of the storing container into the bottle container, and then bottle the honey. I am speaking of creamed honey . -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software since 1997 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk From news@apimo.dk Thu Oct 30 12:09:07 EST 2003 Article: 36621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My activity! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:20:24 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3fa13ac8$0$95067$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.112 X-Trace: 1067530952 dread11.news.tele.dk 95067 195.215.97.112:18026 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36621 Dear fellow beekeepers. For a very long long time ago I got the idea to make a computer software to help me out remembering stuff around my beekeeping. The idea got known to a foundation consisting of 60 Danish beekeeper fellows and I was asked to make this software available to the foundation. Since then it has developed into what it is today. It was not easy to go this way, because I am autodidact in programming, and the help I got and needed I had to look for on the net. This difficulties has some times produced programming errors and because of the size of the software it was not easy to keep personal track and remove all errors, but as times went on I got better and better to figure out what got wrong. But I was not always lucky, because my software consists of a lot of forms and to be alone in this job was not easy. I had hoped on response, but am not getting much, so I had to live with that errors I was not aware of I could not fix. Lately I am getting response again, and I am very thankful for every reaction, be it no no or it is god. Now the winter comes, so I think it is time to get this software to perform as I want to. I therefore ask you to do me a favour and give me some response to my software. every one helping me out to get this done will get a free registration for 20 twenty hives. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software since 1997 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk From tarheit@wcoil.com Mon Nov 3 09:42:18 EST 2003 Article: 36622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 30 Oct 2003 17:56:13 GMT Lines: 110 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> <5591d176.0310281054.5037c2e6@posting.google.com> <5591d176.0310300745.61f1f212@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36622 On 30 Oct 2003 07:45:47 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: >Thanks Tim! I'm puzzling over a version that would be similar to yours >but would mount outdoors on a window and consist of three units that >would open like a book. They would be attached to each other with >hinges and the glass would be recessed so that when closed the glass >on adjacent sections would touch. The window frames would wrap around >the internal frame on three sides and probably attach with countersunk >screws. Let me list a few thoughts and questions; > >1. In such a hive how much interconnection between the sections would >be desirable? Would the queenless sections behave properly or could >they tend toward swarmy behavior? > >(The interconnect method that seems most favorable to me would be >loops of opaque flexible plastic pipe at the "spine" of the "book." An >alternate scheme might be ridged passages that could be closed before >the "book" is opened) The obvious answer is the more connected the sections are the better. How little you can get away from before it causes a problem I'm not sure. Vent holes on the faces of the sections which line up when they are folded may help solve the queenright problem. It wouldn't allow travel, but would allow smell and food to be passed more directly from section to section. Your tube idea may be the best. Too elaborate an idea (sliding pannels between sections, etc.) would just run afoul of propolis and burr comb. I would be someone concerned about the bees not being able to move and cluster appropriately in the winter, but screened vent holes between the sections may fix that problem. I've had bees caught above the screen I place over the inner cover hole in normal hives, and they often survive quite a long time just on the warmth and food passed to them though the screen. (In winter I place a screen over the hole in the innercover so I can place a jar over it without distrubing the bees in bad weather or at night when days get short) If you are normally viewing the hive though the window (and thereby only seeing one side of one of the frames) why not do a 3 wide observation hive with no glass in between individual frames? > >2. What various schemes could provide an optimal exit for such a hive? Small entrances don't seem to be much of a problem. My entrance is about 1' of 1" diameter pipe sticking though the wall (it sticks out 4" or so.) > >3. I'm considering glass because outdoors I'm not too worried about >breakage, however I am very worried about warping of the wood due to >wet weather. Shouldn't be a problem. Use screws instead of nails, a good exterior wood glue and prime and paint the outside well. Also varnish the inside. This will keep moisture from entering one side of the wood and causing it to warp. I know many books advise against finishing the inside of a hive, often because the wood supposedly absorbs moisture helping the bees control it in the hive. While it may absorb some, the bees produce many, many times the moisture the wood can absorb and in the end does no good. Once the wood is saturated, then where does the moisture go? Venting the moisture works much better. > >4. I'm thinking each section might as well have a feeder, but what >feeder height is optimal? A long as the feeder is placed so the bees can easily get to it in poor weather, and isn't placed so as to cause robbing, I don't think it matters. In my case it's positioned away from the entrance, and while it is on the bottom (i didn't want to add additional height when carrying it though doors), it's also inside the house so it doesn't get too cold for the bees to access it. Outdoors I'd probably place it at the top, perhaps just a quart jar in a recessed hole on top of one of the sections. You may provide such a hole on all three sections (with a cover when you are not using it of course), just so you have the option of feeding in the section where the bees may be. I prefer gallon jars in normal hives, but quart jars match the width of the hive better and are more stable. > >5. You did not modify the frames so the top rail and upper third of >each frame touch the glass? Does this accumulate debris? A little bit, but they seal it in with wax/propolis so it really isn't a problem. > >6. After one season have you seen any problems occur? Pests? Robbing? The entrance is fairly small (1" ID tubeing) so no problems with robbing. Did see some varroa, but I treat with wintergreen oil and bee calmer, and those can be applied either in feed or though the vent holes, so minimal disturbance to the hive. > >7. How did you populate your hive? I populated it with a swarm. I first captured/shook the swarm into a cardboard box (from a swarm call I got several miles from my home). When I got the swarm home, I laid the observation hive down on it's side with the one side open, and shook the bees from the box into the hive. As they spread out enough on the foundation I brushed the edges around the door and closed it. Then I set the hive upright and left it outside untill the bees all found the entrance. I did this outside the house right where the tube exits the house so any stragglers might find their way in once the hive was mounted inside. -Tim From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 3 09:42:18 EST 2003 Article: 36623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stirring honey Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:17:18 -0000 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3fa13ac7$0$95067$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.131.248 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1067545270 17143 217.135.131.248 (30 Oct 2003 20:21:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2003 20:21:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36623 "Jorn Johanesson" said > By stirring honey you should be aware of that a lot of aroma is leaving the > honey and getting lost. Sorry, I disagree with that statement. If the paddles are submerged and the tank has a close fitting lid I think it unlikely that much aroma is lost - certainly nothing like the amount lost in an extractor. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ From bertie.cannon@tiscali.co.uk Mon Nov 3 09:42:18 EST 2003 Article: 36624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bertie.cannon@tiscali.co.uk (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps & Hornets Date: 30 Oct 2003 14:31:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9f3de94d.0310301431.637e7fc3@posting.google.com> References: <20031001082300.15743.00000146@mb-m13.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.123.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1067553068 32425 127.0.0.1 (30 Oct 2003 22:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36624 lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) wrote in message news:<20031001082300.15743.00000146@mb-m13.aol.com>... > Hi, > One of the best is to use sweet soda pop Coca cola ect. put it in a shallow > dish with a drop of dish soap in it. > We had a very dry summer this year and I ended up with about 4 inches of dead > hornets in the bottom of a garbage can, from two of thease traps. I used for a > month. Cheap also. > Cheers > Dave Unless hornets bother you why try to kill them? They are good at keeping pests down and though they may kill a few bees they are good for the environment now wasps, thats a different matter, they are a pesky nuscience and they do sting more. Hornets are really reluctant to sting, I leave the ones that come around my place alone and have never had (apart from a nest in the attic)any problem with them. Albert From news@apimo.dk Mon Nov 3 09:42:18 EST 2003 Article: 36625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3fa13ac7$0$95067$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Stirring honey Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:48:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3fa1950d$0$45320$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.41 X-Trace: 1067554061 dread11.news.tele.dk 45320 195.249.242.41:33698 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36625 > > By stirring honey you should be aware of that a lot of aroma is leaving > the > > honey and getting lost. > > Sorry, I disagree with that statement. If the paddles are submerged and the > tank has a close fitting lid I think it unlikely that much aroma is lost - I aggree with this, but most people are not doing it this way, as far as I know of. I myself is not having a lid on when stirring, and if you use a motor driven dril then a lot is turned up down in the honey and getting to the surface. I also aggree in thing getting lost in the extraxtor, but that can not be avoided unless you press the honey instead of. to get an idea of how much is getting loast is to dip the finger in the honey on the frame before you extract it and taste it then do the same with the stirred and buttled honey, there is a world of difference. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software since 1997 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk "Peter Edwards" skrev i en meddelelse news:bnrrrm$gnn$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Jorn Johanesson" said > > > By stirring honey you should be aware of that a lot of aroma is leaving > the > > honey and getting lost. > > Sorry, I disagree with that statement. If the paddles are submerged and the > tank has a close fitting lid I think it unlikely that much aroma is lost - > certainly nothing like the amount lost in an extractor. > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > From galt_57@hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 09:42:19 EST 2003 Article: 36626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 30 Oct 2003 16:02:09 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 64 Message-ID: <5591d176.0310301602.3cc8c99@posting.google.com> References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> <5591d176.0310281054.5037c2e6@posting.google.com> <5591d176.0310300745.61f1f212@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.85.106.100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1067558530 6220 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2003 00:02:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36626 tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > On 30 Oct 2003 07:45:47 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: > >[...] > > > [...] > If you are normally viewing the hive though the window (and thereby > only seeing one side of one of the frames) why not do a 3 wide > observation hive with no glass in between individual frames? I am considering a location on the edge of a deck that would be quite accessible -- so the ability to open the "book" seems desirable -- unless this would result in aggressive bees on the deck! Not quite sure. In the winter I might be able to remove the inner windows to allow them to group for warmth, as long as the windows don't get stuck on! > > [...] wood warpage [...] > > > Shouldn't be a problem. Use screws instead of nails, a good exterior > wood glue and prime and paint the outside well. Also varnish the > inside. This will keep moisture from entering one side of the wood > and causing it to warp. I know many books advise against finishing > the inside of a hive, often because the wood supposedly absorbs > moisture helping the bees control it in the hive. While it may absorb > some, the bees produce many, many times the moisture the wood can > absorb and in the end does no good. Once the wood is saturated, then > where does the moisture go? Venting the moisture works much better. This brings up the venting issue. As does... > >5. You did not modify the frames so the top rail and upper third of > >each frame touch the glass? Does this accumulate debris? > > A little bit, but they seal it in with wax/propolis so it really isn't > a problem. I misspoke about the top rail and have obviously misunderstood your dimensions. You spaced your glass one beespace away from the top rail, right? That means they will close up the top third of the side rail. I was thinking of having that side rail touch the glass and was wondering how that could work since they would close up the top rail -- unless the top rail was cut back. Now I see. I also wonder whether the entire top and entire bottom of each section should be made ventable? Perhaps screened areas that can be opened? > > > >7. How did you populate your hive? > > I populated it with a swarm. I first captured/shook the swarm into a > cardboard box (from a swarm call I got several miles from my home). > When I got the swarm home, I laid the observation hive down on it's > side with the one side open, and shook the bees from the box into the > hive. As they spread out enough on the foundation I brushed the > edges around the door and closed it. Then I set the hive upright and > left it outside untill the bees all found the entrance. I did this > outside the house right where the tube exits the house so any > stragglers might find their way in once the hive was mounted inside. > Very good! Thanks! Dave From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 3 09:42:19 EST 2003 Article: 36627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stirring honey Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:23:57 -0000 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3fa13ac7$0$95067$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> <3fa1950d$0$45320$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.189.176 X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1067583121 20165 217.135.189.176 (31 Oct 2003 06:52:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2003 06:52:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36627 "Jorn Johanesson" said: > to get an idea of how much [aroma] is getting loast is to dip the finger in the > honey on the frame before you extract it and taste it then do the same with > the stirred and buttled honey, there is a world of difference. But the honey in the frame is clear, whereas that in the bottle has been seeded (with what type of honey and how much?) and is set. Would you not expect a considerable difference if we are not comparing like with like? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ From lazurus106@aol.com Mon Nov 3 09:42:19 EST 2003 Article: 36628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 31 Oct 2003 13:32:29 GMT References: <9f3de94d.0310301431.637e7fc3@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wasps & Hornets Message-ID: <20031031083229.10516.00000058@mb-m10.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36628 As you might be able to figure out from my post there was a huge imbalance here this year in the population of ground hornets. They then swarmed around my honey house and home by the thousands, literally thousands. There by the 4 inchs of dead hornets in the bottom of a 52 gallon trash can that sounds like a balanced population in an ecosystem doesnt it. If you want them next year you are welcome to stop over carefully live trap them and take them home with you so you can hug and care for them. I have friend who is trying to redo an old resturant building and has thousands of cockroachs and rats by the dozens they would like you to also stop by. So you can save them from the exterminator. Any other arrogant simplistic rants you wish to inflict on me? From tarheit@wcoil.com Mon Nov 3 09:42:21 EST 2003 Article: 36629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stable Observation Hive? Date: 31 Oct 2003 17:28:33 GMT Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <5591d176.0310161323.117fd55f@posting.google.com> <3F9131B2.9040308@yahoo.com> <5591d176.0310281054.5037c2e6@posting.google.com> <5591d176.0310300745.61f1f212@posting.google.com> <5591d176.0310301602.3cc8c99@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.141 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36629 On 30 Oct 2003 16:02:09 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: >tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... >> On 30 Oct 2003 07:45:47 -0800, galt_57@hotmail.com (Dave) wrote: >> >[...] >> > >> [...] >> If you are normally viewing the hive though the window (and thereby >> only seeing one side of one of the frames) why not do a 3 wide >> observation hive with no glass in between individual frames? > >I am considering a location on the edge of a deck that would be quite >accessible -- so the ability to open the "book" seems desirable -- >unless this would result in aggressive bees on the deck! Not quite >sure. In the winter I might be able to remove the inner windows to >allow them to group for warmth, as long as the windows don't get stuck >on! You might consider a frame holding the glass simply screwed (though the frame) to the body of the section (no hindges or a recessed door like mine). This would allow you to remove the screws and pry off the glass/frame or even remove it for the winter. > >> > [...] wood warpage [...] >> > >> Shouldn't be a problem. Use screws instead of nails, a good exterior >> wood glue and prime and paint the outside well. Also varnish the >> inside. This will keep moisture from entering one side of the wood >> and causing it to warp. I know many books advise against finishing >> the inside of a hive, often because the wood supposedly absorbs >> moisture helping the bees control it in the hive. While it may absorb >> some, the bees produce many, many times the moisture the wood can >> absorb and in the end does no good. Once the wood is saturated, then >> where does the moisture go? Venting the moisture works much better. > >This brings up the venting issue. As does... > >> >5. You did not modify the frames so the top rail and upper third of >> >each frame touch the glass? Does this accumulate debris? >> >> A little bit, but they seal it in with wax/propolis so it really isn't >> a problem. > >I misspoke about the top rail and have obviously misunderstood your >dimensions. You spaced your glass one beespace away from the top rail, >right? That means they will close up the top third of the side rail. I >was thinking of having that side rail touch the glass and was >wondering how that could work since they would close up the top rail >-- unless the top rail was cut back. Now I see. I think you got it. I probably errored just a bit on the side of too much bee space after observations made from my single frame observation hive. The single frame observation hive is much closer the the perfect bee space, but this has the problem of frames removed >from normal hives without perfect spacing may not fit in the observation hive well. I've found newly drawn comb much easier to fit into the observation hive. I'm sure you have observed this with normal hives. New frames in a new box are very loose and have extra space beside them, but older frames sometimes barely fit in the box due to the propolice/wax buildup. > >I also wonder whether the entire top and entire bottom of each section >should be made ventable? Perhaps screened areas that can be opened? Wouldn't hurt. You could always design it with the screen, and close it if necessary. A screened bottom would be the same as normal hives with a sbb, which I've found do just fine though the winter leaving the screen open. -Tim From reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk Mon Nov 3 09:42:21 EST 2003 Article: 36630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!peernews3.colt.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Charles Subject: Re: Stirring honey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: reply2news@csfryett.fsnet.co.uk References: <3fa13ac7$0$95067$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> <3fa1950d$0$45320$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Lines: 27 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:46:33 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.102.75.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net 1067632849 81.102.75.47 (Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:40:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:40:49 GMT Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36630 Jorn Johanesson wrote: >> > By stirring honey you should be aware of that a lot of aroma is leaving >> the >> > honey and getting lost. >> >> Sorry, I disagree with that statement. If the paddles are submerged and > the >> tank has a close fitting lid I think it unlikely that much aroma is lost >> - > > I aggree with this, but most people are not doing it this way, as far as I > know of. I myself is not having a lid on when stirring, and if you use a > motor driven dril then a lot is turned up down in the honey and getting to > the surface. I also aggree in thing getting lost in the extraxtor, but > that can not be avoided unless you press the honey instead of. > > to get an idea of how much is getting loast is to dip the finger in the > honey on the frame before you extract it and taste it then do the same > with the stirred and buttled honey, there is a world of difference. The fact that the honey has set would affect the way the volatiles are sensed on the tongue. This alone would account for a huge difference in the taste. -- Charles Bob IS my uncle.