Article 21351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:45:17 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-26.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 938776527 37336 209.130.165.26 (1 Oct 1999 11:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 11:15:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21351 What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups opinions... :-) Busybee carman1 wrote in message <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo>... >Greetings both >i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the >spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in >there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage >the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in >the profession so i assumed his information is acurate. >Has anyone else heard of this? > >blessings >carman > >Steve Huston wrote in article ><37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>... >> Hi Jesse, >snip >> >> > My question now is what to do >> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get >> > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had >> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the >> > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. >> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I >> > appreciate any insights. >> >> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the >> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a >> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a >> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees >> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside >> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean. >> >> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing. >> >> -Steve >> >> -- >> Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >> Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >> Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >> Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! >> Article 21352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mmattus@aol.com (MMattus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question regarding verbage Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Oct 1999 17:13:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21352 Hello Beekeepers. Im an executive Producer for intellectual property development at Hasbro (the toy company) My responsibilities are to direct the creative development of film, television and live entertainment annimated features. we are currently developing a property that is based on insects, and after reading the script and advised to make changes, I've identified a small but large issue that you folks may be able to simply answer for me. I don't know where else to look. Simply regarding the words "Hive" and Nest. This property takes place on another planet so we have creative license, but as a naturalist by study, Im calling the script writter on the use of the term Hive. My question to you folks is this. Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Or is the term Nest more correct? Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to "honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Please advise. Thanks Article 21353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.btx.dtag.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: Julia Riesz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help with bee terms (transl. into german) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:13:39 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de> Reply-To: julia.riesz@gmx.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news07.btx.dtag.de 938798407 28690 320068789666-0001 991001 17:20:07 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 320068789666-0001@t-dialin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21353 I am translating an american novel into german. There are two bee terms I don't understand. I would be grateful for an explanation. (If by chance you know the german translation, I would be glad, too) Thank you in advance! What are bee escapes? Apistan strips: must be something against varroa mites Article 21354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.germany.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news1.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? 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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:55:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21354 In Nebraska we have the "master beekeeper" designation .. to earn you attend a 3 day class .. complete a pretty good take home type test, demonstrate proficiency in various aspects of beekeeping to a current "master beekeeper", then need to do 10 service units during the next year to spread this knowledge. Service units are for giving talks about bees, fair booth, society meetings, mentoring new person etc. I guess a "professional beekeeper" would be one that tried to make a living ( their profession ) off of beekeeping You have to define "successful" .. I know a bunch of people that are very successful at keeping bees .. don't know of any that have made themselves financially successful by keeping bees. Just having the desire / patience and inner calm that this takes means you must be somewhat successful in life. IMHO Dave On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:45:17 -0500, "busybee" wrote: >What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a >master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? > >I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups >opinions... :-) > >Busybee > >carman1 wrote in message <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo>... >>Greetings both >>i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the >>spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in >>there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage >>the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in >>the profession so i assumed his information is acurate. >>Has anyone else heard of this? >> >>blessings >>carman >> >>Steve Huston wrote in article >><37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>... >>> Hi Jesse, >>snip >>> >>> > My question now is what to do >>> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get >>> > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had >>> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the >>> > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. >>> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I >>> > appreciate any insights. >>> >>> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the >>> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a >>> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a >>> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees >>> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside >>> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean. >>> >>> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing. >>> >>> -Steve >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >>> Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >>> Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >>> Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! >>> > > Article 21355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:25:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990923091330.08899.00000335@ngol02.aol.com> <19990923153812.29403.00000369@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 01 17:25:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.41 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21355 In article <19990923153812.29403.00000369@ng-cc1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >I too am wondering how the bees most perfect housing evolved over > >time. What are the factors that caused it and isn't it fortunate > >for the beekeeper. > > Simple....God designed it that way . That's a nice myth (and don't take offense; I mean that word only in its sense of "foundational belief," not as a comment on the veracity of the above-stated belief). However the myth does nothing to explain scientifically what is at play in the mathematical nature of nature. Science provides ever-developing explanation of how things work, the physical causes and effects at play in what we recognize as physical reality. Regardless whether or not it's true, saying that God designed the honeybee's honey cell (or anything else in nature) does not begin to answer the question that was asked. If that kind of answer worked, then we could just forget about going to the doctor when we get sick and just depend on God's design. But even most believers, regardless how traditional their belief, go to the doctor when they need to; they drive cars; they use herbicides and pesticides (or reject them and do other things with their basis in scientific research); they use computers and the Internet... My point is that, whether or not the belief in God's designing the physical world in its smallest detail is true, the belief does nothing to help us understand and manage our daily PHYSICAL reality. An individual scientist may believe in God. But science itself cannot do its job on the basis of that belief. It must use its own methods if it is to provide us answers. And scientific answers often translate into technological differences which shape our interrelationship with the physical reality we are conceived in and born into. The question was HOW and not WHY the cell in the honeybee hive came to be shaped as it is. In another branch of this thread, the question is handled well enough. But whether those answers are complete or accurate, the answer "God made it that way" can never answer the question HOW. It may not even answer the question WHY. The traditional Christian concept is essentially one termed "deus ex machina" in drama. That is, while God created and periodically excerts control (in a physical sense) over the cosmos and its details, he is essentially separate from it, over it. Not in physical unity with it, since he is conceived of as spirit, not matter. Questions of HOW can only be answered from within the system of *physical* reality, of which the traditional God is not a component part. Questions of WHY probably cannot be answered at all. And statements of FAITH are just that: statements of FAITH. They can help people psycholgically/ spiritually ground their lives, which can be very good. But they don't help us combat Varroa or build a better mousetrap. And they don't help us understand the intricacies of the world as partially yet more and more explained by theoretical/ observational/ experimental science. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup36.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@u.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moth eggs Message-ID: Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:28:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 938806124 216.80.153.36 (Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:28:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:28:44 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21356 Question,,,, I have a hive that I am getting the wax moths undercontrol. The bees are going to another hive (we moved them from this hive to where they are now) and cleaning up the honey that is left. The question is are wax moth eggs small enough that a bee may transport one (or more) back to the hive withthe honey????? I am new to this bee keeping and am learning each hour new things........ Thanks C. email address is incorrect......... cpierce@usit.net Article 21357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:47:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t2s2p$919$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7srohu$fj7$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990930085638.20803.00000053@ng-cc1.aol.com> <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.41 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 01 17:47:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.41 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21357 Jesse Hunter wrote: > Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of > time, there have been many queens that have created workers that made > less efficient, non-hexagonal comb. However, through survival of the > fittest,only those most efficient of bees survived. It really has > nothing to do with math, math merely predicts what configuration is > the most efficient. Well said! Of course, the question still remains for persons with less scientific understanding (such as myself) HOW the accident of DNA variation (a chemical process which I do understand more or less) translates into behavior (which, unlike internal body functions, is not reductively chemical in nature) which, in the case at hand, conforms to mathematic principles of efficiency. The biologist probably has a pretty good handle on this. But the lay person can easily get lost in the translation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: robbing...? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:08:07 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <000a01bf0c40$4bcc8c80$02000003@allend> References: <37F0CF65.130C@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <37F0CF65.130C@monmouth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6xR5VsSz+a9nt6lhiOPkq28?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21358 > Robbing is always accompanied by fighting at the entrance. If the > robbers kill all the bees in a nuc or very small colony, the robbers > still fight among themselves. Robbers fight most obviously when the amount to be stolen is limited, as it becomes when almost everything is gone. Otherwise, unless the hive being robbed puts up a fight, they may not fight much at all. I sometimes think that the bees from a hoplessly queenless hive or drone layer must go with the robbers, since we see no bee bodies, just an empty hive when we discover that they have been robbed out. > ... 'Robbing normally looks like a bunch of bees zig zagging back > and forth in front of the hive trying to get in. Normal flight in > almost straight in and out. ' True, mostly when new bees are getting familiar with the site, the entrance is restricted, or the number of robbers is far greater than the supply. Otherwise they come and go directly, as if on a flow, which, in a sense, they are. > If there will always be dead bees around then I'm fine. No dead bees so > far and I've been out there watching quite a bit trying to figure out > what's happening. Progressive robbing results in few dead bees and is very common. In this form, strong hives are able to enter weaker hives without being challenged and make off with feed. The victim hive loses weight fairly rapidly, but little if any fighting is observed. If all hives in a yard are pretty well equal, then robbing will not be a huge problem, but if some are weak and others are very strong, robbing will eliminate the weaklings. In fact, we consider it a good thing, since the bees themselves identify hives that cannot make it through the coming hard winter and remove their stores to where they can be better employed. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Article 21359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: today/northern hemisphere/12 hours light - 12 hours dark Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:00:40 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.233.60 X-Trace: news2-hme0 938815782 195.44.233.60 (Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:09:42 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:09:42 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21359 Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >Today is the day after the first night of the Harvest Moon. Today >is also the day when there are exactly the same number of hours >from sunrise to sunset as from sunset to sunrise. > it's called an equinox. Article 21360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GMO CROPS AND SITES Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:33:48 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37F544DC.FA8BB626@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: chartres-2-34.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7m.grolier.fr 938817282 27017 195.36.131.34 (1 Oct 1999 22:34:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 22:34:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21360 Bonjour, At least you know where the trial sites are in G.B. Here in France the authorities refuse to divulge the information to the public or interested parties such as Beekeepers. Peter. Article 21361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!not-for-mail From: "Fernand Pôlet" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with bee terms (transl. into german) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:34:17 +0100 Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t39ag$kfm$1@xenon.inbe.net> References: <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: uu212-190-1-27.unknown.uunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21361 Julia Riesz a écrit dans le message <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de>... >I am translating an american novel into german. There are two bee terms >I don't understand. I would be grateful for an explanation. (If by >chance you know the german translation, I would be glad, too) Thank you >in advance! > >What are bee escapes? > >Apistan strips: must be something against varroa mites Bee escape can be translated by "Bienenflucht". It is placed between the brood chamber and the honey chamber just before the honey harvest and withdrawn just after it. Bees leaving the honey chamber cannot get in anymore, thanks to the bee escape. The honey chamber after some time will become empty of bees and can then be harvested safely without disturbing them. Apistan strips containing an insecticide (fluvalinate) to kill the varroa mites. They are placed into the brood chamber during approximately 3 weeks. To get the maximum efficiency it is recommended that all beekeepers in the same region install them at the same time. Ferdi Article 21362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:50:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 99 Message-ID: <7t3fjl$a9e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37f4d6aa.938906687@news3.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 938820021 10542 209.130.165.61 (1 Oct 1999 23:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 23:20:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21362 Thanks for the response! Next question--can one become a "Master Beekeeper" without the three day class (just take a written test)? What are the benefits of actually "being" a master beekeeper? Successful beekeeper....hmmm...that would be hard to define. I guess it would be up to the individual...one who would set goals for the year...if you met your personal goal...you would be successful. Dave Hamilton wrote in message <37f4d6aa.938906687@news3.usenetserver.com>... >In Nebraska we have the "master beekeeper" designation .. to earn you >attend a 3 day class .. complete a pretty good take home type test, >demonstrate proficiency in various aspects of beekeeping to a current >"master beekeeper", then need to do 10 service units during the next >year to spread this knowledge. Service units are for giving talks >about bees, fair booth, society meetings, mentoring new person etc. > >I guess a "professional beekeeper" would be one that tried to make a >living ( their profession ) off of beekeeping > >You have to define "successful" .. I know a bunch of people that are >very successful at keeping bees .. don't know of any that have made >themselves financially successful by keeping bees. Just having the >desire / patience and inner calm that this takes means you must be >somewhat successful in life. > >IMHO > >Dave > > > >On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:45:17 -0500, "busybee" >wrote: > >>What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >>or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a >>master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? >> >>I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups >>opinions... :-) >> >>Busybee >> >>carman1 wrote in message <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo>... >>>Greetings both >>>i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the >>>spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in >>>there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage >>>the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in >>>the profession so i assumed his information is acurate. >>>Has anyone else heard of this? >>> >>>blessings >>>carman >>> >>>Steve Huston wrote in article >>><37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>... >>>> Hi Jesse, >>>snip >>>> >>>> > My question now is what to do >>>> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get >>>> > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had >>>> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the >>>> > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. >>>> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I >>>> > appreciate any insights. >>>> >>>> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the >>>> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a >>>> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a >>>> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees >>>> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside >>>> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean. >>>> >>>> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing. >>>> >>>> -Steve >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >>>> Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >>>> Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >>>> Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! >>>> >> >> > > > Article 21363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:22:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7t3hnd$mih$5@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21363 "busybee" wrote: >What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? What is a >master beekeeper? How 'bout just a successful beekeeper? >I'm not trying to split hairs or cause a tiff--just want to know groups >opinions... :-) >Busybee Master beekeepers wouldn't exist if they had to make a living keeping bees - they would all starve to death. I think their main goal in life is to spread as much misinformation as possible about bees, based on their keeping of two or three hives. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:22:21 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37F5503D.3911@midwest.net> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com> <01bf0b7f$5d5d2200$39c060cb@leo> <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <37f4d6aa.938906687@news3.usenetserver.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21364 Dave Hamilton wrote: > > In Nebraska we have the "master beekeeper" designation .. to earn you > attend a 3 day class .. complete a pretty good take home type test, > demonstrate proficiency in various aspects of beekeeping to a current > "master beekeeper", then need to do 10 service units during the next > year to spread this knowledge. Service units are for giving talks > about bees, fair booth, society meetings, mentoring new person etc. On the fishin' boat we had to work our way up through steps: Apprentice baiter Journeyman baiter Master baiter :) AL Article 21365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 00:59:12 GMT References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21365 > Simple....God designed it that way . > >That's a nice myth (and don't take offense; I done did ! you sir belittle the memory of Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth , Brother Adam, and all those others that came before them. Science is one thing, blindness before overwhelming , inescapable perfection as with the honey comb is another. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth eggs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:45:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7t3kjr$r7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.90 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 00:45:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.90 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21366 c@u.net (C) wrote: >are wax moth eggs small enough that a bee may transport one (or more) backto the hive with the honey????? > Thanks > C. ********************************************************** Howdy C.-- The bees will not intentionally carry the eggs, and there should be no eggs IN the honey. It may be possible for a few eggs to stick to the fuzz on the bees or their legs, but should pose no problem. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 01:00:31 GMT References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21367 >Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, >there have been many queens that have created workers that made less >efficient, non-hexagonal comb. Oh go eat a duck ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with bee terms (transl. into german) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 01:10:30 GMT References: <7t39ag$kfm$1@xenon.inbe.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991001211030.04652.00000593@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21368 >Apistan strips containing an insecticide (fluvalinate) to kill the varroa >mites. Apistan strips are 1 inch wide 9 inch long thin strips of plastic that have been impregnated with the chemical ( fluvalinate ). In much the same way that plastic collars are impregnated with a flea killing chemical for animal use. The difference being that the Apistan strips are hung down between the frames of a beehive by means of a folding tab cut into the strip itself. The tab allowes the strip to hang without falling. The strips remain inside the hive for 45 days then are removed. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 02:09:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t3ph8$uc1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 02:09:51 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21369 mmattus@aol.com (MMattus) wrote: > Hello Beekeepers. > Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Or is the term Nest more correct? Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Please advise. Thanks ***************************************************** Howdy matt -- "Hive" is actually the wooden house the bees live in, but the term "hive of bees" is frequently used. "Colony" of bees refers to the group of bees wherever they live (hollow tree, cave, wall of house, etc. Wasps build nests. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GM crop separations Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:54:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7t20g9$fch$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-18.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 938771785 15761 62.136.68.18 (1 Oct 1999 09:56:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 09:56:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21370 kjc wrote in message news:37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net... > On 30 Sep 1999 08:18:29 +0100, Chris Eilbeck > posted: > > >Stop Press!! > > > >Bees can fly more than 50m. > > Ahh... and most birds wings are clipped? Most birds don't collect pollen from the crops being 'trialled'. That is, the ones which just happen to be also commercially valuable, OSR and corn. The ones the produce of which will have to be destroyed hem hem. We - beekeepers - have been telling the politicians that bees can and will fly for more than three miles for ages. Suddenly Meacher is getting the message. Mary Article 21371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:52:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7t25p9$38s$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7t0l70$qsb$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990930233841.15846.00000210@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21371 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > greg writes: >>Bees building comb is programed in their DNA. >> >>Here we go again! >> >If it is programmed in their dna as you say they sure got the right answer. The >honey comb conjecture and it's proof says their comb is of the very best >design.Would it be programmed once or reprogrammed over time to get this >answer. >I read that bees are such demanding geometers that they won't accept foundation >unless it conforms to their geomertric standard. The book referred to bees as >geometers(like mathematicians). > Al Hey buddy, ' want to buy a bridge? // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Louis" Newsgroups: fr.rec.apiculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pics from Apimondia `99 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:35:11 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7t2d82$epn$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <37F243D0.E935C767@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: clermont-f-8-164.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 938784834 15159 164.138.196.164 (1 Oct 1999 13:33:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 1999 13:33:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21372 Cinq medailles pour les Slovènes un des plus petit pays d'Europe avant Luxembourg et Monaco Five medals for Slovenians - the biggest country in Europe befor LUXEMBOURG and Monaco 1 gold (or) medal : Cebelarstvo Boznar - Polhov Gradec Slovenija ceb.boznar@siol.net 2 silver(argent) medal Louis Ivanec France (slovenian origine ) Laboratoires Apiphyt / http://apiphyt.com e-mail ivanec@wadaoo.fr 3 bronze (bronze) medal - Franci Sivic - Ljubljana - photo of bees alenka.silvaapis@siol.net 4 Janez Mihelic - gold medal uredniku Slovenskega cebelarja cebelarska.zveza.slo@siol.net 5 Janez Mihelic - honour medal - Book "Begining in apiculture for 7 to 14 years cebelarska.zveza.slo@siol.net Slovenia is organiser of APIMONIDIA 2003 site préliminaire _ http://www.uni-lj.si/~bfbee/congres/main.html honey.road@sympatico.ca a écrit dans le message <37F243D0.E935C767@sympatico.ca>... >Couldn't Make it to Apimondia? I've posted pics from my visit to >Apimondia '99 in >Vancouver. Hope you like them. > >http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road > >Allen B > > > > Article 21373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 04:57:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7t43b2$4nj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 04:57:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.46 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21373 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > you sir belittle the memory of > Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth , Brother Adam, > and all those others that came before them. Balderdash! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:16:10 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> References: <7srohu$fj7$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990930085638.20803.00000053@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21374 Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, there have been many queens that have created workers that made less efficient, non-hexagonal comb. However, through survival of the fittest, only those most efficient of bees survived. It really has nothing to do with math, math merely predicts what configuration is the most efficient. Jesse Article 21375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:28:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7t4tq2$l5e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.195.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 12:28:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.195.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21375 In article <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, > >there have been many queens that have created workers that made less > >efficient, non-hexagonal comb. > > Oh go eat a duck ! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > >After all having been said- nothing much has really been said Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth eggs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:11:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7t4r8d$jps$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21376 c@u.net (C) wrote: >Question,,,, I have a hive that I am getting the wax moths undercontrol. >The bees are going to another hive (we moved them from this hive to where >they are now) and cleaning up the honey that is left. The question is are >wax moth eggs small enough that a bee may transport one (or more) back to >the hive withthe honey????? >I am new to this bee keeping and am learning each hour new things........ >Thanks >C. >email address is incorrect......... cpierce@usit.net Wax moths lay many many eggs. They do not need to lay them inside the hive. The moth lays in cracks such as between the the supers. The newly hatched caterpillers, about the size of a paramecium, can crawl incredibly fast and seek out the combs. Waxmoths do not kill bees, beekeepers do! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Oct 1999 15:15:00 GMT References: <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991002111500.16104.00000365@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21377 "busybee" writes: >What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? In beekeeping there is amateur and professional participants. I think you are right , professionals make a living from keeping bees. Amateurs do not make a living from bees but make quite a contribution. Just because they are amateurs does not mean that they have considerable knowledge on the subject. Amateurs or hobbyists far out number the professional beekeeper. A parallel situation maybe amateur and professional astronomers. Professional astronomers accept amateurs and recognize their talent. Amateur astronomers have made many important discoveries and popularize the science. It is evident from this newsgroup that professional beekeepers help hobbyists. Al Article 21378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Professional Beekeeper? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:08:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Message-ID: <7t5cl5$nc6$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7t254f$14eo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19991002111500.16104.00000365@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 52 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21378 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >"busybee" writes: >>What is a professional beekeeper? Is it someone who keeps bees for a living >>or one who just manages a certain number of hives efficiently??? >In beekeeping there is amateur and professional participants. I think you are >right , professionals make a living from keeping bees. Amateurs do not make a >living from bees but make quite a contribution. Just because they are amateurs >does not mean that they have considerable knowledge on the subject. Amateurs or >hobbyists far out number the professional beekeeper. I have lived off raising bees for quite a while now and do not concider myself to be a professional beekeeper. To me a professional is someone that has studied a subject extensively such as a bee researcher or an extention agent with a degree in entomology. Personally I prefer to be know as a commercial beekeeper. Master beekeepers are more interested in the title than the art itself. There are many, many hobbyists out there who are excellent beekeepers as well. >A parallel situation maybe amateur and professional astronomers. Professional >astronomers accept amateurs and recognize their talent. Amateur astronomers >have made many important discoveries and popularize the science. Bad parallel; Amateur astronomers aren't causing all the stars and planets to die off. Hobbyist and Master beekeepers who seldom look into their hives are breeding grounds for bee diseases scattered over hill and dale. >It is evident from this newsgroup that professional beekeepers help hobbyists. I have always made myself available for anybody with an interest in bees. My apiary is open to anyone who wants to learn. I will travel to any beekeeper in Southern Maryland that needs a little help with their beekeeping. As in any profession you must give back. Public service is good for the soul. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: KJ Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.environment,uk.politics.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,uk.food+drink.misc,sci.bio.botany Subject: Re: GM crop separations Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:03:27 +0100 Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <7sv6vo$j45$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <37F4EDBB.8BFE3985@netcomuk.co.uk> <37F5F8DB.1D7626EE@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-165.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 2 Oct 1999 17:11:24 +0100, ppp47-165.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peernews!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!glitch.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-165.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:171109 uk.environment:24708 uk.politics.misc:206220 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21379 uk.food+drink.misc:2359 sci.bio.botany:10977 On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:21:47 +0100, 'Droid wrote: >> Government scientists must have known for some time that pollen could be >> carried a considerable distance. Surely they are no that stupid? > >Seeing as that information is just coming to light, it has not been known by >anyone. It has only ever been suspected (although it was very likely to be the >case), with no evidence until recently. The problem with Greenpeace et al is >that they are always assuming things are true: they are often not prepared to >wait for actual evidence. They could have asked MAFF, who deal with beekeepers, who have known this for years. See, Von Frisch, More, Meyer, Snodgrass, Dade, Pringle, Butler, Hodges, Mountain, and very much etc. However, it doesn't matter if it's a thousand miles if the pollen is not viable. -- Kidney John, kj@jaf.NOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.co.uk Article 21380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup93.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@u.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth eggs Message-ID: References: <7t3kjr$r7u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:15:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 938859357 216.80.153.93 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 06:15:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 06:15:57 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21380 > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! Amen also thanks for the reply..... C. Article 21381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 90 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:54:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.154 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938883531 38.31.18.154 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:58:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:58:51 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21381 I was hoping more would find this post irresistible but by this morning I see only one response, and that pretty dry. So, I'll just start at the beginning: > I've identified a small but large issue Is this statement some kind of intellectual property development hype as spoken in the board room? We're you in military intelligence? > My responsibilities are to direct the creative development of >film, television and live entertainment annimated features. So, an animated feature is also live entertainment? You mean I suppose entertainment that isn't filmed, or taped, stuff like that? OK, never mind about that, on to: >we are currently developing a property that is based on insects what kind of insects? > This property takes place on another planet so we have creative license In that case, why bother agonizing over anything, since your "property" is not of this world, make up anything you like. You can be like the scripwriters of Zena who do claim to be of this world, but think nothing of having Gabriel try to take over the world with the Titans, and Romans battling phoenicians demons with supernatural powers; or like those Italian script writers that have cowboys escorting princesses across barren parts of Spain being fought over by Saracens and Vikings, why should you care, your audience is ignorant, and happy too, you know what they say, but I won't say it. I really wouldn't have a problem writing a story these days. Facts are the last thing I would worry about. My daughter and most of her generation (x) have yet to distinguish the difference between a fact and an opinion, so this should be the basis of your "property". Maybe your legal department might squeak over some character you've dreamed up, a four legged insect that has the same name as an obscure Maltese war hero, of whose spelling contains two XX'es. Not to worry, if your live animated entertainment is shown on a Rupert Murdock owned station, and where else would it be, he will send a phalanx of lawyers to muck things up. Another planet, yes, just tell your writer to use his or her imagination; Of course this presumes they didn't pay someone to write their term papers in college. Well, on to your quest: >My question to you folks is this. Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Some actually do, and they provide a valuable service of stuffing their tiny "nest" with stunned flies. Some make nest out of paper with hexagonal cells; in reference to a previous post about bee mathematics, and apropos to bees evolving from wasp, maybe that's who they learned it from. Wasp certainly learned to make paper long before humans. There is that largish waspy looking thing called a cicada killer, that many people in Amarillo, Texas believe are bees, and cicadas do spend seven years underground as part of their cycle, that is, if the cicada killer doesn't lay an egg on them while they're waiting. Sometimes you do see a lot of these large wasp together, (hence the public's concern of giant bees, giant killer queen bees, as some guy described them) > Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to >"honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Well, you're probably right, because growing up in Texas every kid knew that wasp, the kind that make paper cells, hang out on "wasp's nest' But think about this: A hive is like a city, huge and teeming, like a great collective, does that remind you of anything? A nest is probably what your room looked like in college. ba dee badee,That's all folks, Charles Kroeger Article 21382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:05:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37F63B5C.EA6C11DD@kingston.net> References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21382 I have always believed that honeybees make nests but we make the hive. The term "beehive" describes the home we make for the bees. But inside the hive is the nest. Kent Stienburg Article 21383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:46:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 118 Message-ID: <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.62 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 02 17:46:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.62 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21383 Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>That's a nice myth (and don't take offense; > >I done did ! > Kevin, OK, I should have written, "No offense intended," rather than telling you what your emotions should do. But the word myth does have several meanings, and I did make clear which one I intended. Surely you would agree, though, that you have "foundational beliefs," i.e., beliefs which are the basis for your self-concept and your worldview? Everyone has beliefs which ground them and allow them to function in life. This does not mean that those beliefs are false, but it also doesn't *necessarily* mean that those beliefs are an accurate depiction of physical reality. A belief is a belief. Everybody's got a set of them. Not everybody's is the same. Some of them seem fairly reasonable to most people, others seem pretty far out. >you sir belittle the memory of >Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth , Brother Adam, and all those others that came >before them. I don't know what you are talking about. Just because I refer to Christianity as a set foundational beliefs you would accuse me of belittling the dead who held those beliefs? And not just dead Christians in general but two beekeeping Christian clerics who made very important contributions to the field of apiculture. Or are you saying that we must share the views held by those we admire? I truly don't follow your accusation. I belittled no one. I merely stated that no foundational belief ever explains the science of HOW something came to be. And even when someone's foundational belief prompts them to pursue research which will advance a field of learning or a technological aspect of that field, it is the research not the foundational belief that locates the new knowledge and makes it useable. Science, not foundational beliefs, is the fount of the technology that shapes our interaction with the physical world. >Science is one thing, blindness before overwhelming , >inescapable perfection as with the honey comb is >another. Did I anywhere in my post state my opinion as to the reason or method through which the honeycomb came to be as it is? Just because I challenged your answer to another poster does not mean that I revealed what MY foundational beliefs are. So now I'll tell you: The truth, always partial, is that I am a pantheist, not a Christian. And, yes, I do believe in evolution. But my belief that evolution is the mechanism through which speciation took place is not a view which is by definition at odds even with Christian thinking. In fact, long before Darwin explained the method of natural selection, St. Augustine believed that forms of life changed over time, giving rise to new species. His was a view from the ancient world not the modern one. But, major Christian theologian that he was, he saw no conflict between that view and his foundational belief that God created physical reality. For him, and for many Christians, evolution is the physical-world mechanism through which God set in motion to bring about creation of life, which he believed culminated in the emergence of the human animal. He believed, however, in the superiority of man over the beasts, not because of our greater brain capacity, but, because he believed that the Genesis account of creation indicated that more than just physical creation was involved, he believed that God breathed a soul into the human animal, making Adam, thus, "in His own image." Now whether you agree with the primitive scientific thinking of Augustine or his theology is not the issue here. The point is that, since Darwin particularly, many Christians across the denominational spectrum and many denominations (the Roman Catholic Church among them) and their leaders have, like St. Augustine, come to find no contradiction between their foundational beliefs and a science which describes physical mechanisms through which most of the modern world believes life arrived at its current forms. To indicate that it is incompatible with Christianity to believe that physical mechanisms (discoverable and explainable by science) were used to achieve creation is (to use your style of accusation) to belittle St.Augustine, one of the greatest theologians of all of Christian history, as well as belittling a very large segment of the Christian people today. That you don't believe evolution is the mechanism God used in creation is clear. But I never disputed your right to believe in traditional, literal, Genesis-style creation. I would never dispute your right to believe that. I only said that that belief did not explain the physical mechanisms of the development of life. If you had said that God suspended the laws of nature and worked a miracle by means of speaking reality into existence, well there's a statement that begins to make a claim as to HOW the honeycomb came to be in its current form. But it is a belief that is totally unverifiable. If you believe it, fine, but admit that you do so on the basis of faith not physical evidence. And it is a belief that flies in the face of the verifiable discoveries of science that indicate there was a physical mechanism which caused life to become the forms of life we currently see around us. Science is and must be unconcerned about whether God exists and is behind everything. That does not mean that scientists may not believe. On the contrary, many do believe in the more or less traditionally thought of Judeo-Christian God. But they know that no foundational belief can explain HOW things come to be. Foundational beliefs posit a largely unKNOWable underlying cause (the unmoved mover or the cosmic watch maker, e.g.), they provide spiritual and psychological grounding for building a life, but they do not explain the mechanisms of physical reality. If you're still reading at this point, I will close. Respectfully (regardless whether you believe it), Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7t2qqd$850$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991001205912.04652.00000588@ng-da1.aol.com> <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:58:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.171 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938894561 38.11.203.171 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:02:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:02:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21384 paul kent oakley spake: >The truth, always partial, is that I am a pantheist, not a Christian. I say, then you must have been to the Pantheon. Truly one of the most impressive man made creations on this planet. A mighty triumph of art. The great oculus open to the sky, and on the marble floor, a bright ellipse moves stately along its mighty shaft of light. In this creation one can still believe; what a work is man. Avoid visiting the Pantheon on a Sunday, there is this annoyance of regularly occurring organ music, booming out, as if the Vatican is reminding you, that you're in the wrong building, or perhaps to distract your reverie, as you may find more to wonder about there, than at their international headquarters, across town; in truth, for the Pantheon, no christian enhancement is required, as it has been making its own music there long before christians arrived. Charles Kroeger Article 21385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More on GM crops Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:15:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-53.tungsten.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 938901336 13724 62.136.36.181 (2 Oct 1999 21:55:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 1999 21:55:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21385 In last Sunday's Observer there was an article by Oliver Morgan in which he wrote "Monsanto, the US biotech corporation, has indicated that it is considering a major climbdown over genetically modified food in Britain. It has offered to use its vast gene databases to help plant breeders create new varieties of crops using traditional cross-breeding techniques." You can find the story at:- http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/AC/setguestcookie.cgi?section=News&host=www%2 Enewsunlimited%2Eco%2Euk&uri=%2Fobserver%2Findex%2Ehtml&userid=4G9Dbb01 This seems quite a strange move by Mosanto and I am not quite sure what to make of it. Could it be that they are becoming "Good Guys"! Harry Article 21386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peernews!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net> <7t20g9$fch$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: GM crop separations Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:16:00 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.213.248 X-Trace: news1-hme0 938904611 195.44.213.248 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:50:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:50:11 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21386 Mary Fisher wrote in message <7t20g9$fch$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >kjc wrote in message >news:37f9c8db.2420890@news.tesco.net... >> On 30 Sep 1999 08:18:29 +0100, Chris Eilbeck >> posted: >> >> >Stop Press!! >> > >> >Bees can fly more than 50m. >We - beekeepers - have been telling the politicians that bees can >and will fly for more than three miles for ages. Suddenly Meacher >is getting the message. > >Mary > Ah yes, but is the pollen viable after it has been collected? Not according to Article 21387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "R.O." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized bees Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:08:53 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19990927075654.08458.00000808@ngol05.aol.com> <7t075a$4cr@news1.snet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21387 Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply wrote in message <7t075a$4cr@news1.snet.net>... >Could be they are working a different species of bee - perhaps Apis Dorsata >instead of Apis mellifera scutellata (AHB). Was it a single large comb in >the open? If so they get a few stings but nothing like what they would get >from a real Africanized Honey Bee colony I'm not sure - it was on the Discovery Channel, it was Africa, they were, Bushman - I believe. I just assumed, from the way they are taking over this continent, that they were the only species in Africa, but then again, why haven't they swarmed their way up to Europe and into Asia, like they are doing here? RO Article 21388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!ftel.ftel.co.uk!newsfeed.eris.dera.gov.uk!nntp.crosslink.net!206.246.124.71.MISMATCH!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:19:03 -0400 From: "L.E.G." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Checkmite strips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn10.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 938970819 138 206.246.124.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21388 Greetings Does anyone have knowlege of the new Checkmite+ strips? Reason for the question is, last week I purchased some of the checkmite strips and replaced the Apistan which had been in place for 30 days.24 hours later I had a varroa count of 28 on the white cardboard. Does anyone have an opinion of whats going on here? I have read that the checkmite strips are 97% effective on varroa, if that is the case how effective is Apistan? Thanks in advance!!! L.E.G. Article 21389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37F3BCDE.83CDB3E8@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: New Fears over GM Crops Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:04:33 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.142.231 X-Trace: news1-hme0 938934086 195.44.142.231 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 08:01:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 08:01:26 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21389 Godfrey Bartlett wrote in message <37F3BCDE.83CDB3E8@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk>... > >The study is the first to find GM pollen in beehives. >Honey packers do their own tests for it, but none has yet been > discovered. They also pay for the testing of imported honey, which is why so little is done >"Most of the honey comes from commercial beekeepers and they're >already well used to moving their hives around to follow the various > crops, and they will avoid GM sites," said Laurie Keys of >the Honey Association, Pigs might fly Article 21390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More on GM crops Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:58:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7t7k98$oqj$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-25.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 938955880 25427 62.136.12.25 (3 Oct 1999 13:04:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 1999 13:04:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21390 Harry Goudie wrote in message news:7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > In last Sunday's Observer there was an article by Oliver Morgan in which he > wrote > > "Monsanto, the US biotech corporation, has indicated that it is considering > a major climbdown over genetically modified food in Britain. It has offered > to use its vast gene databases to help plant breeders create new varieties > of crops using traditional cross-breeding techniques." > > You can find the story at:- > > http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/AC/setguestcookie.cgi?section=News &host=www%2 > Enewsunlimited%2Eco%2Euk&uri=%2Fobserver%2Findex%2Ehtml&userid=4G 9Dbb01 > > This seems quite a strange move by Mosanto and I am not quite sure what to > make of it. Could it be that they are becoming "Good Guys"! > > Harry > You have two options: 1. Don't believe it. 2. Be scared. Be very scared. Mary > Article 21391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rcu05$4dn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7slig8$mfq$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 16:30:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.155 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938986498 38.31.18.155 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:34:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:34:58 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21391 Peter Edwards says: >And I do not drink "light beer" - and never will! My mind is at rest. Charles Kroeger Article 21392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: madQ Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Date: 3 Oct 1999 20:32:59 GMT Organization: madQ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7t8ehr$fu7$550@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-lk2-27.tin.it X-Newsreader: madQ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21392 Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! New site: http://members.xoom.com/IaniSys/ Article 21393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:58:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7t8sj2$72q$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21393 "L.E.G." wrote: >Greetings >Does anyone have knowlege of the new Checkmite+ strips? Reason for the >question is, last week I purchased some of the checkmite strips and >replaced the Apistan which had been in place for 30 days.24 hours later >I had a varroa count of 28 on the white cardboard. Does anyone have an >opinion of whats going on here? >I have read that the checkmite strips are 97% effective on varroa, if >that is the case how effective is Apistan? Thanks in advance!!! >L.E.G. That depends on how resistant the mites are to fluvalinate. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "R.O." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:48:37 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21394 L.E.G. wrote in message <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net>... >Greetings >Does anyone have knowlege of the new Checkmite+ strips? Reason for the >question is, last week I purchased some I'd be interested in getting some. Where would I find them? RO Article 21395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More on GM crops Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <21034-37F826E7-59@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAx38PnxvVx9+KZ3qedEqG5wnmCjUCFFGdl6QJXcNtjcEdEzHjPc+5a2vd Content-Disposition: Inline Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21395 NO, they are not becoming the good guys. They know they are loosing the battle in Great Britain and they are starting damage control in order to keep making MONEY! Article 21396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More on GM crops Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7t5v0o$dcs$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 105 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:05:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.45 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939013800 38.11.203.45 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:10:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:10:00 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21396 Harry Goudie wrote to tell us about: >This seems quite a strange move by Mosanto and I am not quite > sure what to make of it. Could it be that they are becoming "Good Guys"! These are dark days Harry, Monsanto is not becoming the good guys, they are doing press releases to put a concerned "spin" on a flair up of public concern and unleash their campaign of disinformation. They are after all, an American corporation, who has 42 lobbyists in Washington. What this means, in case you don't know what lobbyists do in America, is that they are individuals who bribe selected members of congress (we have two houses of congress, the house and the senate) with gifts and more importantly, lots of money for their re-election campaign. As in all corrupt governments anywhere in the world, these activities are perfectly legal. As you have probably by now, smelled a rat, you would be right, monsanto, for these extensive bribes, costing millions of dollars, expect a much larger return, and they get it in the form of favorable laws, and regulations. FACT: (not an opinion) In 1992, when the FDA (Federal Drug Administration) wrote its policy on transgenic foods (GM crops to you Europeans) it ruled that consumer labeling and safety testing were un-needed unless the genetic modification altered the nutritional content or posed a known health risk. The policy was written by an FDA deputy commissioner who had worked for monsanto for seven years, and who does so again. FACT: Last year monsanto pressured the U.S. to threaten to cancel a trade agreement with New Zealand when the country said it would test and label transgenic food FACT: direct pressure from Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and four cabinet members persuaded France to import monsanto's corn. FACT: The U.S. plans to petition the World Trade Organization if Europe introduces a compulsory labeling system, saying it constitutes a non-tariff trade barrier. FACT: Monsanto hired a Bill Clinton pollster (Stan Greenberg) and launched a $1.6 milllion ad campaign entitled "Let the Harvest Begin" FACT: Monsanto who's chemical division used to manufacture virtually all the world's PCB's and Agent Orange (the Viet Nam defoliate) has now spun off that division and has, since 1996, spent $6 billion (a billion in America is a 1000 million) acquiring seed companies. FACT: Monsanto would have us all using their genetically modified and patented seeds that would produce plants that in turn produced seeds that would not germinate. This is called "Terminator Technology, a genetic alternation that causes seeds to die after a single season. This is an important goal of monsanto and they dream of being the only global supplier of a globally patented seed we all need; like a capitalist who dreams of slave labour. MY OPINION: Monsanto's only concern is to their stockholders, no one or anything else. They may say otherwise to the press or on those phoney television discussion shows, and have expensive full page ads in targeted magazines and newspapers, but what they do will only insure their stockholders the largest return on their investment. This is the way they do things here, (U.S.A.) and they will expect the same results (name any country) in your country. If they can't get the results they want in Britain, they will go to, (pick a poor country) say, Bangladesh, like they went to Mexico, where crops could be assured against insects by the reliable old insecticide, DDT. You remember DDT, it stays in the environment and gets in the food chain, ruins bird's egg shells and mother's milk. It featured big in Rachael Carlson's "Silent Spring" of the 1960's that had a lot to do with DDT eventual ban in the U.S.A. but not the rest of the world. They don't care, even though they say they do. Incidently, if you would like to read the whole gruesome article I've taken my monsanto facts from, please refer to a periodical called: HARPER'S magazine, April, 1999 The article is titled: "The Green Machine" and it's by Jennifer Kahn, a graduate journalism student at the University of California, Berkeley. Charles Kroeger - There is an Bio-industry backed disinformation campaign against organic. It's most vocal crusader, Dennis Avery, author of "Saving the Planet with Pesticides and Plastic," broadcasts the message that organic food is lethal and environmentally damaging, and that only pesticides and genetic engineering can deliver a safe and abundant food supply. Source: New York Times - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. source: League of Conservation Voters 1707 L Street, NW Suite 750 Washington, DC 20036 (202)785-8683 fax: (202)835-0491 email: lcv@lcv.org website: www.lcv.org Article 21397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: organic honey & road work Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 12:41:45 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21397 The chemicals/oil or whatever it is they put on dusty gravel roads. I think the chemicals are used to keep the dust down and help the road. My question is could this process possibly effect the classification of organic honey ? Thanks Al Article 21398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tbasco111@aol.com (Tbasco111) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 14:35:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21398 Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Article 21399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: beekeeping Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:10:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939049826 204.186.180.164 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:10:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:10:26 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21399 >Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Your best bet is to start learning all you can over the winter, then start your bees in the spring. We have some great beginner videos you can view, as well as a beginners kit, and you can call us and ask for advice anytime, that's what we're here for. www.draperbee.com 800-233-4273 Article 21400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!news.gnac.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!news.ums.edu!haven.umd.edu!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:54:25 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37F8BFA1.398C74E4@bms.com> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21400 I didn't mean to offend anyone with my views of evolution. Just for the record, I believe in God's creations and absolutely love Jesus! :) I also believe that God is the divine force behind evolution; the energy to make it all happen if you will. I believe that the two views (evolution and creationism) can exist together. Just look at Genesis and the order that God created the heavens, earth, and ultimately man, certainly parallel to that which Darwin proposes. Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist-- Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >Its purely evolution. I would imagine that since the beginning of time, > >there have been many queens that have created workers that made less > >efficient, non-hexagonal comb. > > Oh go eat a duck ! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 15:16:33 GMT References: <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004111633.16011.00000761@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21401 I uncovered a few other interesting facts/comments The hexagonal shape of the comb has 6 sides the same number as feet on a bee. If you use the premise that bees wanted to design a home that the walls of the comb were contigious to one another. They may have wanted this for economical use of material and they did not want foreign substance to get between the walls and invade the cells of the comb. The choices of the bee are square, triangle and the most efficient hexagon. (Although at this point I don't know why it would take a 19 page proof and time since the 4th century to prove this). Bee have been described as having divine sense of symmetry and that is why they chose the regular shape like the hexagon Al Article 21402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com> Subject: Re: organic honey & road work Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:22:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939050550 204.186.180.164 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:22:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:22:30 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21402 In my opinion, it is not possible to have totally "organic" anything, due to the fact that chemicals used long ago are still present in the soil and are absorbed into the plants. We also have to think about acid rain and air pollution. Even if it were possible to grow organically you can not tell the honeybee which flower to work and which to pass by! Jajwuth wrote in message <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com>... >The chemicals/oil or whatever it is they put on dusty gravel roads. I think the >chemicals are used to keep the dust down and help the road. > >My question is could this process possibly effect the classification of organic >honey ? > >Thanks >Al Article 21403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toonamatic@aol.com (Toonamatic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 15:31:32 GMT References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21403 What is the active ingredient in checkmite? Article 21404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <814K3.4010$JM3.164657@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:50:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939052228 204.186.180.164 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:50:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:50:28 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21404 Toonamatic wrote in message <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com>... >What is the active ingredient in checkmite? Chumphos, I not sure if the spelling is correct. Article 21405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making your own hives Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 17:26:05 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21405 I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any effect on the products of the hive or would it?. Al Article 21406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making your own hives Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:17:06 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37F8FD32.F2C4F714@bms.com> References: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21406 Doesn't everyone make their own hives to some extent or another? I made my own hives by buying the pre-cut wood and nailing and gluing together. Seems as though that spiel might bee a little misleading to the consumer. But I guess everyone has to find their niche. Maybe mine should be "Honey made by Virgin Bees" :) How's that for Immaculate Deception? Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist-- Jajwuth wrote: > I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of > honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. > I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say > something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any > effect on the products of the hive or would it?. > Al Article 21407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making your own hives Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:29:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37F90E2E.815@midwest.net> References: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21407 Jajwuth wrote: > > I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of > honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. > I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say > something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any > effect on the products of the hive or would it?. No. AL Article 21408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Alex Coomes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with extracted frames? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:41:00 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7tb3dd$c1c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: <37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-171-227-246.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21408 Once I have extracted the honey from my combs I too place the combs back on the hive - at the top of the hive separated by a crown board. After a few days (depending on how many supers there are and what the weather is doing ) We do not want the bees to start filling the combs up again!. I remove the cleaned up combs and store them in a cool, dark, dry cupboard with a few moth ball crystals to protect against the dreaded moth. I keep a sheet of newspaper below each super and another on top of each box to help retain the moth crystal vapours. I also use this time of year to look at any supers that have been on the hive and either repair and treat with cuprinol or chop up for firewood if beyond repair. - It is worth the effort for next year as it takes a great deal of energy for bees to make wax and draw out foundation. I reckon a well kept comb will last 4 to 5 seasons if treated correctly. The bees are better employed expending their energies collecting nectar and pollen for us to harvest !! Regards Alex Coomes Jesse Hunter wrote in message news:37F36428.A24D3C55@bms.com... > I just extracted for the first time last night. For all who have > posted advise on removing caps and ultimately getting the honey > into pails, Thank you! That part of the process, though > extremely messy, went very well. My question now is what to do > with the supers, extracted frames and comb. Does this comb get > given back to the hives next year? or do I melt it down? I had > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the > hives above the top board and below the top. Is this advisable. > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY. I > appreciate any insights. > > > Article 21409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup409.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@u.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My hive is fading away Message-ID: Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:49:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.154.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 939070193 216.80.154.159 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:49:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:49:53 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21409 I have a hive (new to this bee game) and the hive swarmed leaving me without a queen but sitll with some bees. The remaning bees started a queen cell but it did not hatch (has been about 6 weeks). My population is dying out and I haven't been able to find any replacement bees to build up the hive. I did locate a queen but did not order her because I felt it would be useless with out the bees to build up the hive for her to survive. Any help or sugestions where I can get some Itilian bees quickly......... I am located in Tennessee.. Thanks for any help Charles Bogus address above / usable e-mail address cpierce@usit.net Article 21410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37F91377.9C31BBF2@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:50:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.124 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 939070216 206.172.183.124 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:50:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:50:16 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21410 Check out my homepage. I have some tips on getting started. http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road Allen B Tbasco111 wrote: > Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Article 21411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping videos Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:19:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004181911.15030.00000475@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21411 > We have some great beginner videos you can view, as howdy ya'll I'm earnestly wondering if you'd consider donating a video or two down this way. I go into the local schools and do presentations to 1-4 grades on beekeeping. It's voluntary on my part and i can't really afford it but the kids love it. We use the magic school bus video that a parent donated and a observation hive built by a local fellow with glass donated by a glass store. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:19:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7tb95p$o3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7t5gdi$rn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991004111633.16011.00000761@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 04 22:19:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21412 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > If you use the premise that bees wanted to design a home [...] > They may have wanted this for economical use of material [...] > The choices of the bee are square, triangle and [...] hexagon.[...] > Bee have been described as having divine sense of symmetry and > that is why they chose the regular shape like the hexagon Al, why do you insist that bees WANTED or CHOSE the design of their cells. Whether you believe that God snapped his fingers, so to speak, and suddenly nature came into being and was already then what it is now, or that God set things in motion and nature emerged in its ever changing form on its own according to the rules God set at the first moment, or that absent an unmoved mover nature emerged and is continuing to emerge and adapt, where does this assignment of consciousness to bees come from? And, I regret to say, the final sentence is absolutely and totally illogical even if bees were self-conscious beings with brains capable of complex analysis. I paraphrase your statement (the one written, since I can only guess what you were thinking): the bees made their choice because they have been described as having a certain quality. Indeed! They knew we would talk about them and what we would say long before we had discovered them and their wonders, and knowing we would discovers the wonders of their comb, they went about making it for us to discover. I regret that I do not share your sense of human importance in the evolution of the species and their behavior. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: folks new to beekeeping Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Oct 1999 22:31:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991004183157.15030.00000479@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21413 Hi gang, sure do love helping folks and answering questions and as we near the end of the season .I got some good advice for some of ya. It's obvious that a few folks have decided to learn about beekeeping the hard way.Some of the recent posts reflect this very much Not knowing about check mite strips what to do with empty extracted supers hives strangely dying out mites foul brood wax worms Now all of the above could easily been handled by any of you if you had started out by reading up on the subject before starting out blind. Most of you have learned by loosing your hives or by having them go into the winter weak. Now would be a good time to go to your library and research the mistakes made this year, Then any of us on the newsgroup can clear up any questions you might have beyond the reading. About once a year I post my phone number ( yeah i know it could be a stuypid idea) and during the year we usually get calls for help. Those of you that called this year know I love to chat bout beekeeping and help all i can. So here's this years post 910-814-0540 Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:36:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7tba61$ouq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> <37F8BFA1.398C74E4@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 04 22:36:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21414 Jesse Hunter wrote: > I didn't mean to offend anyone with my views of evolution. Provided you are not rude (you certainly weren't), there is no reason for anyone to take offense when you state your view of things. (Even if you had been rude, only the rudeness and not the opinion can legitimately be considered offensive.) People who do take offense when someone says they believe something different than the hearer are implying that only they have the right to have an opinion. Everyone else, then, the implication continues, has the duty just to agree. But it doesn't work that way. The fundamentalist most literal in his or her interpretation of origins and Biblical events has a precisely equal right to state that view as does the person who believes absolutely none of what the Bible has to say to state his view. So we disagree. So we argue what we see as the relative merits and demerits of our various positions. Offense is only legitimately taken in response to the person who aims not to discuss an issue (or even just state one's view of an issue with no interest in discussion) but to abuse an individual. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:55:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7tb7o1$n40$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37F79007.BF2DE01A@crosslink.net> <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com> <814K3.4010$JM3.164657@nnrp1.ptd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 04 21:55:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21415 In article <814K3.4010$JM3.164657@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "Royal Draper" wrote: > > Toonamatic wrote in message > <19991004113132.07519.00000002@ng-cg1.aol.com>... > >What is the active ingredient in checkmite? > > Chumphos, I not sure if the spelling is correct. > > coumaphos Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MENTHOL Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:23:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37F93707.62FF5514@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21416 We had one of our beekeepers comment at our last meeting about the menthol. She stated: She laid the menthol on top of the top bars of the first brood box. (Starting counting from the bottom board) Figured she would split the effect between the 2 brood boxes. Next day, temperature averaged 70 degrees F. When she got home from work, there were dead bees in front of the hive and most of the rest of the bees were hanging on the front of the hive. There were only a few bees in the hive. Her queen is unmarked, so she wasn't sure where the queen was. So she removed the menthol. Her discussion led others to state they wouldn't use the menthol. I have concerns about the tracheal mite. I know the crisco patties help to control them but they do not get rid of them. Any ideas on what happened with her menthol? She said she put it on her 5 hives, and only one did this. I'm thinking something else happened. But what? And why the timing? Thanks for any help. Judy in Kentucky, USA Article 21417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:33:04 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7tbd4q$i3i$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0d.72 X-Server-Date: 4 Oct 1999 23:27:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21417 Test Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... Test Text... 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Article 21418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Oct 1999 00:43:46 GMT References: <7tb95p$o3d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991004204346.15065.00000797@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21418 paul writes: >Al, why do you insist that bees WANTED or CHOSE the design of their >cells. You seem to be very analytical. You lost me a bit in what your saying. Maybe to say wanted or chose does not exactly describe correctly the evolutionary process. I'm sure not going to say that some brainless little insect wound up with a hexagonal comb that just happened to be proven to be mathematically to be the most efficient in design. It could equally be said that the forces of nature caused people to make hurricane and earthquake proof dwellings. Did they choose or want them as a matter of survival. I think it is good to ascribe higher qualities to bees since it makes the products of the hive to be of more valued. Give the bees some credit for their comb whoever designed it. Al Article 21419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My hive is fading away Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <1UbK3.708$4f5.225450@news1.usit.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:46:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.180.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 939084413 216.80.180.228 (Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:46:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:46:53 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21419 Where are you at in TN? C wrote in message ... >I am located in Tennessee.. > >Thanks for any help > >Charles > > >Bogus address above / usable e-mail address cpierce@usit.net Article 21420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: folks new to beekeeping Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:40:13 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7tbl41$a6s$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19991004183157.15030.00000479@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.105.226 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 939087809 10460 12.73.105.226 (5 Oct 1999 01:43:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Oct 1999 01:43:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21420 edit >Now all of the above could easily been handled by any of you if you had started >out by reading up on the subject before starting out blind. >Most of you have learned by loosing your hives or by having them go into the >winter weak. >Now would be a good time to go to your library and research the mistakes made >this year, Then any of us on the newsgroup can clear up any questions you might >have beyond the reading. edit Excellent suggestion! If I might add, a good starter book is entitled "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitabile. It has good narratives, descriptions, drawings and an excellent bibliography. Not cheap at $26 but you should be able to find it in your local library. I also suggest that folks new to beekeeping seek out your local beekeeping association, club, etc. if there is one in your area. Try your local agricultural extension service for help in finding them. We have a strong (70+ active members) association here in the greater Tacoma, WA area. The membership is a mixture of commerical, part-timer and hobbyist beekeepers who are willing to share their experiences. We meet formally once per month and often have demonstrations or hands-on workshops in bee yards. I have learned a lot at these meetings but more from my association with the commericial and master beekeepers. Tonight we have a presentation on Apimondia. We helped (financially) send our association secretary who in return will give this presentation. H. Bowles Article 21421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My hive is fading away Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:45:15 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37F9582B.67098AA2@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21421 Hi Charles, It has always been my understanding that bees will swarm when the cells have been capped. There must have been swarm cells in the hive??? You mentioned that they were building them after the swarm??? You should see evidence of a queen about 2-3 weeks after a swarm. Since I am not familiar with your climate in Tennessee at this time of year it is difficult to give a specific suggestion. If there is still some honey flows and ample time before cold weather then get a new queen and reduce your hive to 1 box with the entrance reduced. I'm assuming from your post that you have checked for a queen and have found none and no eggs after 6 weeks. You could also feed them. If there isn't much time left I wouldn't buy bees because you might not be able to get them enough food for the winter. If your short on time but there is a good supply of honey then try buying a package and uniting it with the remaining bees. Best of luck. Kent Article 21422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990927075654.08458.00000808@ngol05.aol.com> <7t075a$4cr@news1.snet.net> Subject: Re: Africanized bees Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:53:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939102708 209.90.4.83 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:51:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:51:48 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21422 > >instead of Apis mellifera scutellata (AHB). Was it a single large comb in > >the open? If so they get a few stings but nothing like what they would get > >from a real Africanized Honey Bee colony > > I'm not sure - it was on the Discovery Channel, it was Africa, they were, They were Ashwan Bees (or something like that) They are a VERY large breed of bee. About 3 times the normal size, with a stinger about 3 times as large as well as venom several times more potent than anormal honey bee. They are NOT the africanized honey bee AHB, though. John Article 21423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf0a49$84e42da0$76c060cb@leo> <37F229B6.F56B9FE@sympatico.ca> <01bf0abd$9a425b80$d8c060cb@leo> <37F2D48F.45D5@monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Gloves or no gloves? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:02:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939103210 209.90.4.83 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:00:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:00:10 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21423 > more for psychological reassurance than anything. Yes, those big fat > leather gloves keep away the stings but I find them so clumsy to work > with that I end up clanking bars and sending the ladies into a tizzy. > Bad enough that I start out like that, don't want the girls getting > riled ;-) Knowing that I'm not sting proof helps me to take more care > and consequently less stinging happens...I I'm a first year beekeeper also; I wear the gloves for some things and for other things I wear virtually little. When doing intense stuff, like scraping of burr comb and cleaning up or taking off supers, I wear a suit and gloves. When going after some bees for my Bee Sting Therapy, I usually wear no protection. I use a hand held vacumn to grab 30 or 40 and they don't seem to get upset at all. If I get a sting or two (which is infrequent) it's no big deal, I'm going to get 30 more in a few minutes anyway. John > Shari Article 21424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf0860$c6abe560$bdd32dc7@spike> <01bf0a47$dda81840$76c060cb@leo> Subject: Re: Entrance reduction Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:04:09 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939103336 209.90.4.83 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:02:16 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:02:16 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21424 > We use Entrance reducers, not because of mice > we use them in the colder seasons so less cold air enters the hive and it Should they be tacked down or otherwise secured? I just laid mine down in front of the entrance. John Article 21425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Checkmite strips Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Oct 1999 12:14:09 GMT References: <7tb7o1$n40$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991005081409.01822.00001192@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21425 > >What is the active ingredient in checkmite? >> >> Chumphos for the newbies out there please be reminded that coumaphos is an organophosphate, you must use gloves, do not get this stuff on you, don't wipe a sweaty brow with a contaminated hand !! dont blow your nose, dont have a smoke. dont use it if you dont know how !!!!! its not just hung like apistan, a piece is placed under a cardboard slip on the bottom board as well. fluvalinate is a tough one but coumaphas will screw you up if mishandled. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making your own hives Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:17:36 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 939108014 nnrp-06:8642 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21426 In article <19991004132605.07385.00000892@ngol03.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes >I was at the health food store looking at the honey for sale. One brand of >honey gave a spiel about the beekeeper. It said they make their own hives. >I was wondering why this is mentioned to help market their honey. Does it say >something about them as beekeepers? Making your own hives would not have any >effect on the products of the hive or would it?. >Al Making your own hives would not affect the quantity or quality of the honey that the beekeeper could produce. It may, however, have an impact upon his costs (if he is able to reduce input costs) and hence enable him to sell his product at a lower price. -- Paul Walton MBA Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 21427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> Subject: Re: beekeeping Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:55:51 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.231.240 X-Trace: news1-hme0 939142997 195.44.231.240 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:03:17 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 18:03:17 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21427 Tbasco111 wrote in message <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com>... >Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Find a local beekeeper. They are always willing to talk. It you give your locality, someone will no doubt point you toward one. Best of luck Article 21428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: specialty honey production Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Oct 1999 17:05:46 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991005130546.07965.00001126@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21428 I read that the honey type may vary throughout the season at one location according to nectar flows. As such in looking at frames the honey may be of different colours at different times of the season. Do beekeepers harvest the honey throughout the season or could they to get pure specialty honey. Specialty honey may also be obtained by migratory beekeeping.Would the principal of "flower fidelity" (visiting one type of flower) also encourage the production of specialty honey as well as help with pollination. Is there any other ways or techniques of producing specialty honey? Al Article 21429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: folks new to beekeeping Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:41:26 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37FA4656.16EB158D@soils.umn.edu> References: <19991004183157.15030.00000479@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: x160-46.soils.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21429 Regarding learning the beekeeping basics, many land-grant universities have beginning beekeeping short courses that are offered through their extension programs or their departments of entomology. Even experienced beekeepers can benefit. 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Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21433 In article <1UbK3.708$4f5.225450@news1.usit.net>, "Jason Wilson" wrote: > Where are you at in TN? > > C wrote in message ... > >I am located in Tennessee.. > > > >Thanks for any help > > > >Charles > > > > > >Bogus address above / usable e-mail address cpierce@usit.net Centerville Article 21434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attbtf!ip.att.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone question? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:01:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939171561 209.90.4.213 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:59:21 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:59:21 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21434 I've been reading, with interest, elsewhere, about using drone control to control mite infestation. As opposed to using Apistan, which I would like to not use in the future. As soon as I have a grip on everything that the article states, I will give it a try. However, for right now, I have a question which I know somebody may be able to answer. I mentioned this at out last months beekeepers meeting but nobody knew what I was talking about. One person knew that the mites are geared toward the drone development but my question had to do with producing a "Drone Frame". The method involves removing the infested drone larvae and destroying them from what was termed a "drone frame"; then reinstalling the frame and letting more drones be started. This interrupts the mites development but the timing must be precise. So, how do we make a drone frame? John Article 21435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive smell Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.180.50.126 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 939175381 216.180.50.126 (Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:03:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:03:01 EDT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:02:55 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21435 Hi folks, This is my first year beekeeping & I've got two fairly strong hives. I started my fall medication (apistan, menthol, terramycin) about two weeks ago. For about a week now, I've noticed a strange smell around one of my hives. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet but I notice it when I get close enough to the hives to feed them sugar water. It smells kinda like old shoes -- almost a sour smell. Could it be foulbrood? I didn't notice any problems when I first started the medication about 2 1/2 weeks ago & I looked thru both hives pretty thoroughly at that time. Any suggestions on what else could be causing the smell? Thanks, Rodney Isom Arab, AL **************** Please post replies. Article 21436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peer.news.verio.net.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Drone question? Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:09:44 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 939179093 209.69.69.114 (Wed, 06 Oct 1999 03:04:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 03:04:53 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21436 Find some drone size foundation (This may be difficult.) Or, when the bees are eager to produce drones, (Watch for them building drones comb under the frames) give them an empty frame with just a header at the top and let them build their own. At the right season, (For your area) they will build nearly all drone. Inb my TBH, they like to build drone size comb from mid June thru July. (Michigan) Ellen John O'Brien wrote in message news:J9xK3.63$ep3.4098917@alpha.sky.net... > I've been reading, with interest, elsewhere, about using drone control > to control mite infestation. As opposed to using Apistan, which I > would > like to not use in the future. As soon as I have a grip on everything > that the article states, I will give it a try. > > However, for right now, I have a question which I know somebody > may be able to answer. I mentioned this at out last months beekeepers > meeting but nobody knew what I was talking about. One person knew > that the mites are geared toward the drone development but my > question had to do with producing a "Drone Frame". > > The method involves removing the infested drone larvae and destroying > them from what was termed a "drone frame"; then reinstalling the > frame and letting more drones be started. This interrupts the mites > development but the timing must be precise. > > So, how do we make a drone frame? > > John > > Article 21437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives on Ebay Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:40:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7tfegd$7so$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p27.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21437 I saw 30 hives for sale on Ebay in WV. Extracting equipment too. Amazing what can be found for sale there. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticide Violators Caught in the Act! Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 1999 03:44:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991005234400.14978.00000937@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21438 In our efforts to stop these violations that kill our pollinators, we have been monitoring. On Sunday, we caught Horry County mosquito control red-handed, applying malathion in violation of the label. After notification of the violation, the applicator continued - a wilful violation. Details at: http://users.aol.com/gardenbees/ BTW, the server for www.pollinator.com is down all day. Has it been down long? Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles): http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive smell Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 1999 03:47:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991005234711.14978.00000940@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21439 From: "Rodney Isom" sorry@no.spam >I haven't had a chance to open it up yet but I notice it when I get >close enough to the hives to feed them sugar water. It smells kinda like >old shoes -- almost a sour smell. Could it be foulbrood? If you've checked the brood, I wouldn't worry about foulbrood. Goldenrod has a pretty rank smell while bees are processing it, then the smell mostly disappears when the honey is ripe. The smell also tends to draw bears..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed.aone.net.au!ozemail.com.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!cs.mu.OZ.AU!akte From: akte@cs.mu.oz.au (Kate FINLEY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswarm question Date: 6 Oct 1999 03:59:06 GMT Organization: Computer Science, The University of Melbourne Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.cs.mu.oz.au Keywords: bee removal Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21440 Hi there. My apologies for barging in on your newsgroup with a question like this, but I haven't been able to find anyone who can help me and time is not on my side. I've got a swarm of bees just starting to gather near the side of my house. I'm wondering if there's anything I can do that will deter them from making a hive there. I'd be happy enough to leave them be, except that I'm reasonably allergic to bees and would therefore rather they relocated themselves. So far bee removalists I've called can offer no advice, and only offer to exterminate them rather than remove them. I'd *really* rather not have them exterminated, so if there's anything anyone can suggest that would deter then from nesting I'd really appreciate it. They're near a window with flywire, and near a couple of protected ventilation ducts in the wall, so if there's anything I can spray that would deter them, I should be able to get it close enough without exposing myself to the bees at all. (btw - I'm in Australia, so to the best of my knowledge there's no concern about them being particularly aggressive/killer bees or anything) Thanks, Kate -- Article 21441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswarm question Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:49:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.217 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939189228 38.31.18.217 (Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:53:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 01:53:48 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21441 Kate FINLEY ask: >I've got a swarm of bees just starting to gather near the side of my >house Greetings from Texas kate, if it's fall here it must be spring there. A swarm of bees in May (read Oct.) is worth a load of hay. Are you in a sub tropical area, i.e. do palm trees grow there? Judging from the date of your post: 6 Oct 1999 03:59:06 GMT that would be about 2 hours ago at the posting of this letter. So I will just say good afternoon and I would suspect the bees are by now in a tidy cluster. Enjoy their presence, while you can, as it's highly likely they will move on tomorrow morning. If they don't and your house has become the recipient of a new colony consider yourself touched by good luck. Being only "reasonably allergic" you could always consider buying the gear, and the books, and subscribing to the newsgroup. A very exclusive club. By the mere effort of your post you've shown an interest. Watch out, you could be ONE OF US, ONE OF US. Charles Kroeger Article 21442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive smell Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:36:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7tfe8e$7so$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p27.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21442 "Rodney Isom" wrote: >Hi folks, >This is my first year beekeeping & I've got two fairly strong hives. I >started my fall medication (apistan, menthol, terramycin) about two weeks >ago. For about a week now, I've noticed a strange smell around one of my >hives. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet but I notice it when I get >close enough to the hives to feed them sugar water. It smells kinda like >old shoes -- almost a sour smell. Could it be foulbrood? I didn't notice >any problems when I first started the medication about 2 1/2 weeks ago & I >looked thru both hives pretty thoroughly at that time. Any suggestions on >what else could be causing the smell? >Thanks, >Rodney Isom >Arab, AL >**************** >Please post replies. Asters are in bloom. The apiary smells like dirty socks. Fall is here. The turkeys have six weeks to live. Maples will be blooming in 150 days. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswarm question Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 1999 12:18:48 GMT References: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991006081848.14302.00001193@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21443 >I'd *really* rather not have them exterminated, >so if there's anything anyone can suggest that would deter then >from nesting I'd rea Smoke will often cause a swarm to leave if they have not already gotten inside your home. Of course they could move close by or they may just leave the area. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Bruck Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,rec.autos.rotary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Re: Private & Public Offerings Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:20:15 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37FBA0EF.A105EE9D@mindspring.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.2c.b5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 6 Oct 1999 19:18:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: BLKRX Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3868 alt.agriculture.beef:1917 alt.agriculture.fruit:9474 alt.agriculture.misc:11528 rec.autos.rotary:9279 sci.agriculture:37537 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21444 sci.agriculture.poultry:16534 Maybe someone wants to mow their grass REALLY quickly. > > Man....take a look at that Posting list, all agricultural, and Us....how the > H**L did that happen? Unless of course, someone's been putting 13b's in > tractors....yikes, not exactly a well matched setup > > > > blkrx@hotmail.com Article 21445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:54:27 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7tg2ds$ke7@news1.snet.net> References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh3-port72.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21445 The best way to get started is to find someone in your area who keeps bees and ask to chat. Most beekeepers are a friendly and willing to spend some time with a new person, provided the person is reasonably polite. Find a local beekeeper by posting to this newsgroup (and stating your geographic area), contacting your local club, posting a note at the local bee supply shop, or contacting your state entomologist (or was that etomologist :-)). I personally try to have 2 "newbies" at all times. When I moved and registered my hives with the new town, a local beekeeper called and volunteered himself if I had any questions! Books and web sites are great resources, but some things you have to see in person to understand, and a local "mentor" can save you much frustration. As to books, I'm partial to "The Beekeepers' handbook" (Avitable & Sammataro) for a beginner, followed soon by "The Hive and the Honeybee". Tbasco111 wrote in message <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com>... >Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Article 21446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: desirable bee types Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 1999 21:23:42 GMT References: <19991006105202.19637.00000198@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991006172342.11235.00000149@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21446 Hi Al: I live in the State of Maine USA. We have severe winters here. I have three races of bees. Different yards. The Carniolan being one of the three. They do excellent here in my opinion. They shut down early in the fall and don't require the surplus load that the Italians do. It appears that they consume less honey and manage to make it. And, as for swarming, it has been my experience that they swarm far less then the Italians. Much easier to work also. The other type I have are Buckfasts. I just purchased them this year. I cannot comment on their wintering ability. However, they built up with superior vigor and produced a bootle of honey. Article 21447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: desirable bee types Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Oct 1999 14:52:02 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991006105202.19637.00000198@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21447 Could anybody suggest a bee type that would suvive a hardy winter? At this point productiviy is not my main goal. From what I read the the carniolan bee has a quiet and gentle character and can survive a hardy winter. Although it has an annoying tendency to swarm. The black bee can survive the weather of Britain. If it exists I would like a bee type that is easy or easier to manage. Since I'm located in Canada I believe the regulations are that I can't import from the USA. I plan on using package bees when I get around to setting up. Thanks Al Article 21448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BLKRX" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,rec.autos.rotary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry References: Subject: Re: Private & Public Offerings Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:32:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.252.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 939227543 24.112.252.192 (Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:32:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:32:23 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3870 alt.agriculture.beef:1919 alt.agriculture.fruit:9482 alt.agriculture.misc:11530 rec.autos.rotary:9283 sci.agriculture:37539 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21448 sci.agriculture.poultry:16538 > Pleace contact our office if you should need help raising capital for your > new or next venture. Perfect, I'm trying to raise the funds to put a 13b Turbo into my Celica 4wd. Does that qualify? Man....take a look at that Posting list, all agricultural, and Us....how the H**L did that happen? Unless of course, someone's been putting 13b's in tractors....yikes, not exactly a well matched setup blkrx@hotmail.com Article 21449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news5.cableinet.net!cableinet-uk!news1.cableinet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: a.shaw@netcentral.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:46:36 GMT Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <37fba863.3534522@news2.netcentral.co.uk> References: <37F4C22A.6A67F7B4@bms.com> <19991001210031.04652.00000589@ng-da1.aol.com> <37F8BFA1.398C74E4@bms.com> <7tba61$ouq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial53.netcentral.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.cableinet.co.uk 939242726 19007 195.62.193.120 (6 Oct 1999 20:45:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cableinet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 1999 20:45:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21449 On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:36:50 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: In discussing the design of the comb everyone seems to concentrate on the economy of the hexagonal cross section but neglects the shape of the base. If the base were flat then no extra volume would be obtained for the wax used, however, it is domed out wards. If this doming were any greater than it is too much wax would be needed to achieve extra volume. The shape is in fact just right and if you want to work it out for yourself you will require a good grasp of infinitesimal calculus. The bees appear to have been ahead of Newton. Article 21450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.unimelb.edu.au!cs.mu.OZ.AU!akte From: akte@cs.mu.oz.au (Kate FINLEY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswarm question Date: 6 Oct 1999 14:23:07 GMT Organization: Computer Science, The University of Melbourne Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7tfm0c$3f3$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.cs.mu.oz.au Keywords: bee removal Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21450 Hi. Thanks for the responses. Fortunately I did manage to deter the bees with a combination of a few gentle showers with water, and spraying the only smelly stuff I could find in the house (Febreze fabric diodoriser) near where it looked like they were hoping to nest. They moved on after a few hours of these disturbances. No bee casualties and no stings for this paranoid hominid. Thanks again for your time and advice. Kate -- Article 21451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rtaremote1.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Q. Drone Killing in the Tropics Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:20:17 +0100 Message-ID: <939298694.7560.0.nnrp-12.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 939298694 nnrp-12:7560 NO-IDENT rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21451 I had a question asked of me recently which I could not answer, please help if you know. In Northern and Southern climes the bees follow the season by killing off the drones and going dormant in the winter. The question is: in the tropics without a cold season and only a hot and dry season and nectar sources all the year round, do these colonies have a dormant cycle and to they every kill the drones. Cheers Graham Article 21452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining HIves Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 08:36:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37FC93D2.2AC945CB@kingston.net> References: <7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21452 Hi Randy, I have always put the queen in the bottom box. For no other reason then it is a complete hive and the box on top is not. I've often wondered since the queen is below if the scent of the queenright colony rises up to the queenless colony alerting them that there is a queen below?? Anyway, this has always worked for me. Good luck. Kent Ontario, Canada Article 21453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pics from Apimondia `99 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:29:24 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Oct 1999 12:25:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Oct 7 05:35:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-004txdallp329.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <2ZD8N1GOYiHG1l09GStYNkNWUYrj@4ax.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21453 Beekeeping supply companies had some interesting items displayed at the Apimondia '99 conference and also in their catalogs. Some photos are now on my website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/api99.htm And if you haven't already seen Allen's nice Apimondia pictorial tour, check it out at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 21454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining HIves Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:03:57 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-164.jopl.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 939294613 14017 208.149.43.164 (7 Oct 1999 11:10:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Oct 1999 11:10:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21454 We have captured two "wild" hives, one from a tree and one from the wall of a house. Neither is very strong so it seems that they should be combined. Which should go on top? The weak or the stronger? One definitely has a queen, we will go thru the other hive tonight to see if it does. Thanks, Randy Adams Article 21455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: nospam@nospam.com (David C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees out front Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:56:51 GMT Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <37fc94d1.260548286@news.fastlane.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Oct 7 07:54:08 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !_.Vh3I`1 From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with bee terms (transl. into german) References: <37F45F23.61710BDC@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:09:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 939308988 147.25.198.43 (Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:09:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:09:48 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21456 Julia Riesz wrote: > I am translating an american novel into german. There are two bee terms > I don't understand. I would be grateful for an explanation. (If by > chance you know the german translation, I would be glad, too) Thank you > in advance! > > What are bee escapes? This is a small piece of equipment (usually plastic) which is placed in the hole of an 'inner cover' and allows the bees to exit a super (honey box) and not re-enter. In other words, it allows them to "escape" from a box and not get back in. It is used to clear honey supers of bees just prior to robbing the hive. > Apistan strips: must be something against varroa mites It is a plastic strip put in the hive which contains a mitecide; thus killing the varroa mites and not the honeybees. In Europe, they use a similar product called 'Bayvarol' which happens to be made in Germany by one of the worlds largest pharmaceuticals companies (Bayer, as in Bayer Aspirin... a German company). Article 21457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:59:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37FCC35B.5622FFF7@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21457 Hi David, I can't help you because I don't know where you're from. Kent Article 21458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BLKRX" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,rec.autos.rotary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry References: <37FBA0EF.A105EE9D@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Private & Public Offerings Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:57:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.252.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 939315444 24.112.252.192 (Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:57:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:57:24 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3874 alt.agriculture.beef:1921 alt.agriculture.fruit:9486 alt.agriculture.misc:11532 rec.autos.rotary:9293 sci.agriculture:37546 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21458 sci.agriculture.poultry:16557 DAhahahahaha....damn, LOL....that's what people keep saying about me winter car, Turbo? Why? I say, so I can go over the snow REALLY fast :) -- Blkrx@hotmail DOT com Remove NOSPAMZ > Maybe someone wants to mow their grass REALLY quickly. Article 21459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: nospam@nospam.com (David C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:17:07 GMT Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <18B3EF633E0E7798.E42E8D87161FF5D2.B7BD658C5DDD351F@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <37fce397.280717211@news.fastlane.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Oct 7 13:14:24 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !dl4C3I`0VnY//m (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21459 East Texas Article 21460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <939298694.7560.0.nnrp-12.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Q. Drone Killing in the Tropics Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:01:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939326494 204.186.180.165 (Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:01:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:01:34 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21460 In warmer climates the hive will produce and maintain drones year round. The number of drones in the hive will change with the honey flow. If there is a large flow, the hive is more likely to swarm and will produce more drones, in contrast if there is not a substantial flow in progress, the number of drones will dwindle. www.draperbee.com Article 21461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: madQ Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Date: 7 Oct 1999 19:20:14 GMT Organization: madQ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7tirpe$4sp$261@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-cs6-15.tin.it X-Newsreader: madQ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21461 Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! New site: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/byte/517/ Article 21462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 01:34:31 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bf10b7$8e1eb560$93b972ce@default> References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21462 Contact a local beekeeping club or beekeeper. It is not really hard, just buy some equipment and a package of bees. If you would like addresses, pls email and I will respond. dnorth@dreramscape.com Tbasco111 wrote in article <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com>... > Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? > Article 21463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, equipment for sale, central NY Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 01:36:02 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bf10b7$c39d78c0$93b972ce@default> References: <37F20A33.F1F71E5C@twcny.rr.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21463 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:191 How much, where located, still available? dnorth@dreamscape.com JGinNY wrote in article <37F20A33.F1F71E5C@twcny.rr.com>... > 25 colonies, mosly double deeps, healthy, > with fall crop still on > prefer to sell together > > also Maxant hand plane > Maxant 3/6 frame extractor > assorted medium and deep supers, hive bodies > > (moving) > 607.347.6566 > > Article 21464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 01:52:17 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21464 What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey prices? Time to write congress and impose tarriffs on imported honey. Is anyone behind me? Article 21465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 22:22:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <37FD5548.AA2AB7CF@kingston.net> References: <37FCC35B.5622FFF7@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21465 I'm not familiar with the climate or seasonal patterns in East Texas. Hopefully someone one the list is. Here in Ontario its approaching winter. I feed until the hive (2 deep) is very heavy. It is at this point that the bees will slow down taking the syrup down. I suspect your winter is much milder then mine and possible shorter in terms of natural food availability. These factors will determine the hive weight that is necessary for the bees to survive in your area. This information can be found from local beekeepers. Are the bees drones? If they are workers has there been any evidence of robbing? It sounds like you feel that the dead bees appeared only after you started to feed? When I feed a hive that is not strong I will reduce the entrance. But there are other possibilities as to why there are dead bees at the entrance. Mites, pesticide. Hope this helps a bit! Kent Article 21466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Message-ID: References: <18B3EF633E0E7798.E42E8D87161FF5D2.B7BD658C5DDD351F@lp.airnews.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1540 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 939357527 216.100.16.37 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 00:38:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 00:38:47 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:44:28 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21466 Down in that West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl.... (Marty Robbins) In article <18B3EF633E0E7798.E42E8D87161FF5D2.B7BD658C5DDD351F@lp.airnews.ne t>, nospam@nospam.com says... > East Texas > Article 21467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janine@HealthyU.net (Janine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Message-ID: <37fd923b.190757081@news.gvn.net> References: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990902201009.16333.00000682@ng-fh1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.139.223 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 939365478 209.63.139.223 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 02:51:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 02:51:18 EDT Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:47:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21467 On 03 Sep 1999 00:10:09 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: What about bumble bee bites? I was bitten by a bumble bee in July while on vacation. Made the vacation shortened by about 3 days. I have learned that B bees don't sting. It was on the soft underside of my right arm, 4 inches down from my arm pit. It became *very* swollen, from 1 inch below my pit to 1.5 inches below my elbow. It was red, hot to the touch and painful. We were miles from anywhere. I tried fresh yarrow on it, didnt' help, and an old antihistamine, didn't help much, but put me to sleep. Nothing else was available. Do you think that Epi pen would have helped? Yes, I am allergic to any kind of sting. Honey/bumble bees, wasps, etc. Thanks. Janine Article 21468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "R & S Adams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:31:11 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7tkhg2$a6r$1@news.ipa.net> References: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> <37fd9999.192643407@news.gvn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-4-183.jopl.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 939379010 10459 208.149.43.183 (8 Oct 1999 10:36:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1999 10:36:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21468 Check www.knoxcellars.com They sell a good book (Humble Bumble Bee) & observation Bumble Bee houses, with tips on how to attract a queen. Early spring will be your best time to get a queen, before she sets up housekeeping elsewhere. Article 21469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: nospam@nospam.com (David C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:28:04 GMT Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <37fdd45a.342361262@news.fastlane.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Oct 8 06:25:11 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !] References: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990902201009.16333.00000682@ng-fh1.aol.com> <37fd923b.190757081@news.gvn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21470 Janine@HealthyU.net (Janine) wrote: >What about bumble bee bites? I was bitten by a bumble bee in July >while on vacation. Made the vacation shortened by about 3 days. I would love to watch you kiss a horse! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping videos Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:42:09 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7tkn2p$7iq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19991004181911.15030.00000475@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-109.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 939384729 7770 209.130.165.109 (8 Oct 1999 12:12:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1999 12:12:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21471 Hi Kevin- Reading Rainbow has an excellent video that is popular with that age group too! (actually every age group finds it interesting in my opinion). I did pay a hefty price for it though...$50 or so, because of copyright or for the use of public showing...something like that. Check with your school beforehand to see if it can be ordered through the library system. --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19991004181911.15030.00000475@ng-fl1.aol.com>... >> We have some great beginner videos you can view, as > >howdy ya'll >I'm earnestly wondering if you'd consider donating a video or two down this >way. >I go into the local schools and do presentations to 1-4 grades on beekeeping. >It's voluntary on my part and i can't really afford it but the kids love it. >We use the magic school bus video that a parent donated and a observation hive >built by a local fellow with glass donated by a glass store. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 21472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janine@HealthyU.net (Janine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Message-ID: <37fd9889.192372013@news.gvn.net> References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.139.223 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 939366855 209.63.139.223 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 03:14:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 03:14:15 EDT Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 07:10:29 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21472 On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:41:22 -0700 (PDT), tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) wrote: >temperature up to about 90 degrees F it will be much quicker to strain. >Keep strained honey for about 5 days to let pieces of wax, etc. rise to What happens to honey when it is heated to 180 degrees? Isn't all the good in honey removed because of the heat? Is it impossible to remove the honey without heating it? Where can I find honey that hasn't been heated? I'm in California. Thanks, Janine http://www.HealthyU.net Article 21473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:05:38 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7tkoer$155c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-109.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 939386139 38060 209.130.165.109 (8 Oct 1999 12:35:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1999 12:35:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21473 Assuming you know the basic workings of the hive and general bee terminology...and as others have already suggested: 1. Find a mentor - for the million and one questions you will have once you actually start. 2. Attend meetings - as many as you can to keep on top of current issues and to meet others in the industry. 3. Jump right in! You can read and read and read but you won't get like the wisdom that you get from actual hands on experience. (Kind of like parenting with your first-born) :-) Other important tips and advice (if you asked me...and if you will take it...) 4. Set manageable goals for the year...don't expect it to be easy the first few years. Many things to be considered ie. weather, prices, just getting set up and figuring out the best possible ways to suit your style. 5. Don't get too frustrated...many things are beyond one's control in beekeeping. 6. It's expensive and costly so the first years don't think you are going to make any money at it. Consider it an entertainment. Make it a family hobby if they have the slightest interest... 7. Realize your locales' floral sources and when your honey flows are on...be prepared. 7. Relax and have fun :-) --Busybee (So. MN - 2000 colony - migratory commercial) Tbasco111 wrote in message <19991004103544.15730.00000527@ng-fb1.aol.com>... >Just wondering the best way to get started ,Any ideas? Article 21474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janine@HealthyU.net (Janine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Message-ID: <37fd9999.192643407@news.gvn.net> References: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.139.223 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 939367200 209.63.139.223 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 03:20:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 03:20:00 EDT Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 07:16:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21474 On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:33:24 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>David Smith ask: How does one attract or raise bumblebees? > >Well that's tricky. I don't what you can do to attract them. snip Well, my experience with bumble bees has been on the wrong side of them. But they were all over the mullein in the mountains. I was gathering the mullein and one got under my arm. This JUST after I said happily that I was NOT being paranoid about the bees and bumble bees being around me. yeah. she gets bit/stung, she gets sick, she lives, she learns. LOL Janine Article 21475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Oct 1999 13:12:02 GMT References: <7tkcc4$qqg$92@nslave1.tin.it> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991008091202.21951.00000179@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21475 In article <7tkcc4$qqg$92@nslave1.tin.it>, madQ writes: > >Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! >New site: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/byte/517/ > Isnt it remarkable that this keeps appearing with a new site? Well, as PT Barnum said...., and he.made millions on his understanding of human nature. Looks like he has successors. Article 21476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:37:11 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37FE0197.D6BC23B8@riverace.com> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: qvWr8fFviNSpXAfSJPk8XnyAOFytktjo4rU399QqD3o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1999 14:37:13 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21476 See the October 99 issue of American Bee Journal. There are 2 (I think) articles related to honey prices and what to do. I faintly remember one of them saying something to the effect that waiting for the feds to help is useless. When the Chinese (?) were stopped from dumping a few years ago, that temporarily raised prices here. Lots of beekeepers increased colony numbers to take advantage of the prices. That tipped the supply/demand scale and the prices leaned back down. It's a business problem. When some person (or group) gets enterprising enough to solve the problem, that'll be it. mrnorth wrote: > > What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey > prices? Time to write congress and impose tarriffs on imported honey. Is > anyone behind me? -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! Article 21477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:41:52 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37FE02B0.692D9571@riverace.com> References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37fd9889.192372013@news.gvn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: DJMVzS0rPmNKWXNks7n3CCm8WAEQl1IppaeVYrc3RCc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1999 14:41:54 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21477 Janine wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:41:22 -0700 (PDT), tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank > Mishima) wrote: > > >temperature up to about 90 degrees F it will be much quicker to strain. > >Keep strained honey for about 5 days to let pieces of wax, etc. rise to > > What happens to honey when it is heated to 180 degrees? As you say, it's probably damaged. But the temperature of the honey in the hive is probably near 100F, so warming it to 90F to make it easier to work should not be a problem. > Isn't all the > good in honey removed because of the heat? Is it impossible to remove > the honey without heating it? Where can I find honey that hasn't been > heated? I'm in California. Ask around for unheated honey, or raw, honey. You probably won't find it in large supermarkets. Health food stores are more likely to have it. If you can find a local beekeeper to get it from, all the better. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! Article 21478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:02:53 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <37FDA52D.AE244BF7@islapro.com> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip228.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BB024725F0E622FA5C08C3A2" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en-US,de Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21478 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BB024725F0E622FA5C08C3A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Obviously the fall in prices is due to the strengh of the dollar. The current rate for European currency is 1 Dollar = .990 Euros. The last year was 1 Dollar = .776 Euros So for each dollar you get more euros. HONEY. The current TON rate $780 (Buenos Aires, Argentina rate). Here we have a double effect (1. Dollar up) and (2. Wholesale price down)working against the US producers. Again with less dollars you get more products from Brasilian, Chilean, Europeans. Who is behind? No doubt the Federal Reserve. This agency makes the monetary policy. Tariffs does not god. For example: if you place a tariff on the honey, they should in turn place a tariff on the computer software... The US at last has a superavit(s)... with tariffs everything: all the understandings, stable commercial relations will go down the drain. mrnorth wrote: > > What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey > prices? Time to write congress and impose tarriffs on imported honey. Is > anyone behind me? --------------BB024725F0E622FA5C08C3A2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="islapro.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for islapro Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="islapro.vcf" begin:vcard n:Matas;Jose x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr:;;Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN version:2.1 email;internet:islapro@islapro.com title:marketing tel;fax:971-140-870 tel;work:971-620-115 x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Jose Matas end:vcard --------------BB024725F0E622FA5C08C3A2-- Article 21479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: thunder@nospam.primenet.com (David Langston) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping and the Peace Corps Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 18:34:44 GMT Organization: PacRim Consulting Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37fe3853.62304372@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pop21.cornhusker.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: @208.228.32.41 (thunder) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21479 Does anyone here have any current knowledge of Peace Corps beekeeping programs? I was accepted into the Peace Corps in 1990 and originally given the assignment of going to Belize to breed Africanized bees with the more docile Italian ones. (something for which I was completely unqualified to do although I do have beekeeping experience) That program was subsuquently cancelled and I was sent to Thailand - where I had nothing whatsoever to do with beekeeping. Anyway, I just wondered if anyone had heard of current Peace Corps programs. Also, for anyone who is interested, beekeeping skills are almost guaranteed to get you accepted into the PC - at least they were a few years ago. Article 21480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Oct 1999 20:12:58 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991008161258.23205.00000027@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21480 There was a legend about how bees got their stingers. There is a book (something like a childeren's book) called How The Bees Got Their Stingers. In the legend the bee was given the stinging ability by a spirit. To repel the bear it took multiple stings and losing his grip and falling out of a tree to give the bear second thoughts about raiding the honey. Does anybody know of other legends about bees.? Al Article 21481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:24:00 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> <37FDA52D.AE244BF7@islapro.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21481 I'm not sure where I stand on the imposition of tariffs, but I do think the low prices are going to drive a lot of US beekeepers out of business. Funny how the US packers insist they have no choice but to give us the current market rate for our wholesale honey (assuming it is the same quality), when prices in the stores have not changed in the past 5 years. In the end, the packers are shooting themselves and the rest of US agriculture in the foot by eliminating future production of US honey. Another thing, why do they have to "blend" US honey with Chinese honey? Could it be that one is of superior quality and should bring a substantially higher price? islapro wrote: > Obviously the fall in prices is due to the strengh of the dollar. > The current rate for European currency is 1 Dollar = .990 Euros. > The last year was 1 Dollar = .776 Euros > So for each dollar you get more euros. > HONEY. The current TON rate $780 (Buenos Aires, Argentina rate). > Here we have a double effect (1. Dollar up) and (2. Wholesale price > down)working against the US producers. > Again with less dollars you get more products from Brasilian, Chilean, > Europeans. > Who is behind? > No doubt the Federal Reserve. This agency makes the monetary policy. > Tariffs does not god. For example: if you place a tariff on the honey, > they should in turn place a tariff on the computer software... > The US at last has a superavit(s)... with tariffs everything: all the > understandings, stable commercial relations will go down the drain. > > mrnorth wrote: > > > > What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey > > prices? Time to write congress and impose tarriffs on imported honey. Is > > anyone behind me? Article 21482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <6U7+NzsLHjzCtxo9+JPX69WVWfRG@4ax.com> References: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> <37fd9999.192643407@news.gvn.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:30:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.192 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939414911 38.31.18.192 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:35:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:35:11 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21482 Janine said: >But they (bumblebees) were all over the mullein in the mountains. Ah..must have been beautiful. Do you harvest the mullein for it's medicinal properties? Do you make a tincture of mullein for sore throats? >This JUST after I said happily that I was NOT being paranoid about > the bees and bumble bees being around me. yeah. she gets > bit/stung, she gets sick, she lives, She lives..glad to hear it. You grow wise. Do you blame yourself or the bee, or do you require blame? Feeling paranoid is acceptable if it regards your fellow humans, who are very dangerous indeed; but not the bees and bumble bees. They won't harm you unless you invade their hive/nest, or put one under your arm. C.K. - The more we exploit nature, the more our options are reduced, until we have only one: to fight for survival. Morris K. Udall Article 21483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Refn: Professional Beekeeper Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:14:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7tlota$8bi$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p46.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21483 Notice how no Master Beekeepers replied to my coments. Just goes to show that they don't need to read and learn anymore about beekeeping now that they have their title! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, equipment for sale, central NY Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Oct 1999 21:52:39 GMT References: <01bf10b7$c39d78c0$93b972ce@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991008175239.07203.00000429@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21484 I am very interested in any bee suits you may have for sale. I am a new beekeeper and have yet to get a bee suit. I have the veil and the gloves but looking for a good new or used suit. Richard Flanagan I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 21485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <81T+N2sj=PDYuXPmtKjiLWTle3Oe@4ax.com> References: <7tkcc4$qqg$92@nslave1.tin.it> <19991008091202.21951.00000179@ngol06.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:45:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.192 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939415780 38.31.18.192 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:49:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:49:40 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21485 Bob Pursley draws our attention (once again) to the: Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2beta. >Isnt it remarkable that this keeps appearing with a new site? Well, as PT >Barnum said...., and he.made millions on his understanding of human nature. >Looks like he has successors. Still P.T. never gave anything away, the 1.2 beta seems to be "free." > Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. What is the i.a.n.i. remote control system 1.2 beta, does it contain a virus? Find out and post a report, that is, if your hard drive still functions. C.K. Article 21486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tektites@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmc5eMk9gEY1hnEgLDy/+a75eIRQCFCjTKODA0cDyTlZziJvFD3SAkjMz Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21486 You are exactly right! The reason they blend U.S. and Chinese honey is to cover up the poor quality of the Chinese honey. The only U.S. packer that I know of that is packing only U.S. produced honey is Draper's Super Bee in Penn. they also are paying .65 lb last time I checked. The big packers just do not care about the small beekeeper. 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Article 21488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <5Zv+N60Q5kTJ=imHh0ui7JnCbL6d@4ax.com> References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37fd9889.192372013@news.gvn.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:54:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.250 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939434318 38.11.203.250 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:58:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:58:38 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21488 >What happens to honey when it is heated to 180 degrees? it becomes golden karo syrup >Isn't all the good in honey removed because of the heat? absolutely >Is it impossible to remove the honey without heating it? it makes the job go better if the room one is using to extract honey is warm, but (high) heat isn't used to extract honey; think about what would happen to the wax. >Where can I find honey that hasn't been heated? I'm in California. find a local beekeeper, so you may enjoy the advantages of eating your local honey. If that isn't possible, go to one of those posh health food stores and buy some "raw" honey. Look for a thin line of white residue along the top of the honey (in the jar) this should be micro bits of wax called slum gum. A sure sign that only extraction has taken place, not "pasteurizing" or filtration under "heated" conditions; avoid buying "crystal" clear honey, go for honey that "appears" clear but isn't; there's a subtle difference. If you need a reference, go buy a supermarket brand of honey and put it in a clear jar. Take it with you to the health food store or place that sells only extracted honey. You will see what I mean. Charles Kroeger Article 21489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:03:00 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.250 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939434856 38.11.203.250 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:07:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:07:36 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21489 >Chinese honey is to cover up the poor quality of the Chinese honey. Humm, one hears this a lot, but exactly why is Chinese honey poor quality? High levels of sucrose perhaps? bad flavor? I would be interested to know the details of what poor quality means. Thanks, Charles Kroeger Article 21490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990902201009.16333.00000682@ng-fh1.aol.com> <37fd923b.190757081@news.gvn.net> Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:10:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939442135 209.90.4.158 (Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:08:55 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:08:55 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21490 Janine wrote in message . > > I have learned that B bees don't sting. It was on the soft underside Not true; they sting but it is much harder to provoke them to sting than a regular honey bee. The effects of a B.Bee sting are about the same as a honey bee. >Do you think that Epi pen would have helped? >Yes, I am allergic to any kind of sting. Honey/bumble bees, wasps, >etc. Thanks. From what you wrote, you don't seem to be much, if any more, allergic to stings than the next person. A true anaphylactic shock would have swollen your whole body up with in 10-15 minutes and shut off your breathing and you would have died. You had a strong reaction which many people have, but it would not have required an Epi-pen injection. John (who gets about 100 stings a week) Article 21491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ANEL-STANDARD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining HIves Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:47:59 -0700 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Message-ID: <7tn9lo$phg$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> References: <7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-h072.otenet.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 939469304 26160 195.167.115.200 (9 Oct 1999 11:41:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1999 11:41:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21491 If the two swarms are really small , you should consider the idea to combine the two swarms with their two queens in the same floor . There is an equipment cold `` beehive divider `` that is designed for this work . Put the divider between the swarms and close the drawers for at list 24 hours.In that way , the two deferent swarms will have the same smell and when you will open the drawers after 24 hours ), the workers will act like they are from the same colony , and you will have two queens which they will not able to kill each other because there is a double queen excluder on the divider . In spring , it will be very easy to separate the two swarms . This technique is very popular even to combine meekly swarms that are week or small . If it is difficult for you to obtain one of those dividers , cut a piece of wood exactly at the dimension of the inner part of the hive , open holes less than 3 mm to be sure workers can not go through and use this as to divide the hive divider . Separate with this the two different swarms by placing it between the frames for more than 24 hours and then replace it then . Of coarse in that way you will loose the one queen when you will remove your hand made divider but you will have the workers combined . R & S Adams wrote in message news:7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net... > We have captured two "wild" hives, one from a tree and one from the wall of > a house. Neither is very strong so it seems that they should be combined. > Which should go on top? The weak or the stronger? One definitely has a > queen, we will go thru the other hive tonight to see if it does. > > Thanks, Randy Adams > > > Article 21492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Honey Prices Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:22:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939475339 204.186.180.181 (Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:22:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:22:19 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21492 Chinese honey defiantly has an "off" flavor. But I think the main concern that I have is the handling and storage of honey in China. In the U.S. we are held to tight rules and regulations, as to the way we handle, process and pack honey. In China they are not held to such rules, for all we know they still spray deadly pesticides or store their honey in used oil drums, we just do not know. We would all be better off if consumers would read the label and choose not to purchase foreign honey. We as beekeepers need to do more self promotion, and not rely on the NHB, as they have the big packers backing them. Charlie Kroeger wrote in message ... >>Chinese honey is to cover up the poor quality of the Chinese honey. > >Humm, one hears this a lot, but exactly why is Chinese honey poor >quality? High levels of sucrose perhaps? bad flavor? I would be >interested to know the details of what poor quality means. > >Thanks, > >Charles Kroeger Article 21493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 07:45:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7tnbke$77u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37fd9889.192372013@news.gvn.net> <5Zv+N60Q5kTJ=imHh0ui7JnCbL6d@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-100.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 939471310 7422 209.130.165.100 (9 Oct 1999 12:15:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1999 12:15:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21493 I whole-heartily agree with your response to Janine except for "the thin white line of residue is wax called slum gum" ... Slumgum is what remains after wax is rendered by melting combs. Brood nest combs will have more slumgum because of the cocoons...slumgum is really cocoons. The thin white line is foam and small wax particles. Not splitting hairs... Busybee Charlie Kroeger wrote in message <5Zv+N60Q5kTJ=imHh0ui7JnCbL6d@4ax.com>... >>What happens to honey when it is heated to 180 degrees? > >it becomes golden karo syrup > >>Isn't all the good in honey removed because of the heat? > >absolutely > >>Is it impossible to remove the honey without heating it? > >it makes the job go better if the room one is using to extract honey is >warm, but (high) heat isn't used to extract honey; think about what >would happen to the wax. > >>Where can I find honey that hasn't been heated? I'm in California. > >find a local beekeeper, so you may enjoy the advantages of eating your >local honey. If that isn't possible, go to one of those posh health >food stores and buy some "raw" honey. Look for a thin line of white >residue along the top of the honey (in the jar) this should be micro >bits of wax called slum gum. A sure sign that only extraction has taken >place, not "pasteurizing" or filtration under "heated" conditions; avoid >buying "crystal" clear honey, go for honey that "appears" clear but >isn't; there's a subtle difference. If you need a reference, go buy a >supermarket brand of honey and put it in a clear jar. Take it with you >to the health food store or place that sells only extracted honey. You >will see what I mean. > >Charles Kroeger > > > > > > Article 21494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 95 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:51:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.97 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939491776 38.31.18.97 (Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:56:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:56:16 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21494 Royal Draper discusses reasons why Chinese imported honey should be avoided; and don't get me wrong Royal, I'm on your side: >Chinese honey defiantly has an "off" flavor Well this doesn't tell me much, as I think most honeys have an off flavor, (excluding my own of course) if the bulk of the Chinese honey was from buckwheat, or that stuff from Eucalyptus trees in Australia I would definitely agree, but some people like these honeys I'm told and light beer too. >But I think the main concern that I have is the handling and storage of > honey in China. In the U.S. weare held to tight rules and regulations, I would like to hear what these tight rules and regulations are, and how these rules are enforced. Can you list them, and tell me what happens to the unscrupulous (American) honey producer if he does not abide by them? Also, if the big (American) packers are happily using this imported and illegally handled and stored honey, why are the large packers able to use it instead of having it confiscated by the USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) upon arrival to this country? Aren't USDA agents out there swarming over these container ships when they arrive, assuring our high American standards are being met? Royal if you believe that is happening, I can steer you to some "certified organic" fruits and vegetables produced in Mexico and Chile, well, that's what it says, right on the box. > or store their honey in used oil drums, we just do not know. Used oil drums, if cleaned properly, make excellent storage for honey. Honey is a powerful substance unto itself. Take for instance the common practice in India observed during the British Raj, that dead (Hindu) bodies would be preserved in honey until proper arrangements could be made. (it is like Texas, a hot country) Later, the honey was sold in the marketplace, to no detriment of the honey, apparently; however, this known practice did cause the British to avoid buying honey in the local markets. They were all probably using Lyons Golden Syrup as a safe alternative. >they still spray deadly pesticides as in this country (U.S.A.) you mean? I know there are more than 600 pesticides and herbicides in use in this country by farmers and agri-business including beekeepers and yet only a small number of those are actually "approved" for use on food crops by the USDA. Doesn't it sound odd to you that these unapproved herbicides and pesticides are allowed to be used until proven dangerous? It does me. There are lots of reasons why 30% of the population will and is developing some form of cancer in the U.S., and this example is just one of them. Americans eat tons of fruits and vegetables brought in from Mexico among other South American places, Chile being another, and in these places they freely use DDT as the premier insecticide to insure the success and appearance of the crop they will export to the U.S.; in many instances, from fields owned by American agri-business and supermarket concerns. That's American owned Royal. The authorities in these countries have been bought and paid for as well as any American politician, and choose to look the other way when it comes to the environmental damage done by DDT to their own land. If you're a Star Trek fan, you will remember Quark's famous question: "what, humans test nuclear weapons on their own planet?" >We as beekeepers need to do more self promotion, You're right, see a post of mine regarding that (currently under construction) that will appear under this thread: Honey prices. Watch this space. Charles Kroeger - Facts are stupid Ronald Reagan - A new age of magic interpretation of the world is coming, of interpretation in terms of the will and not of the intelligence. There is no such thing as truth, either in the moral or the scientific sense. Adolf Hitler Article 21495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37fd9889.192372013@news.gvn.net> <5Zv+N60Q5kTJ=imHh0ui7JnCbL6d@4ax.com> <7tnbke$77u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:59:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.97 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939492244 38.31.18.97 (Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:04:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:04:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21495 Busybee points out a misused definition: >slumgum is really cocoons. >The thin white line is foam and small wax particles OK, if this is so, I stand corrected. Charles Kroeger Article 21496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining HIves Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:38:47 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 71 Message-ID: <7to2gb$45i$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net> <7tn9lo$phg$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.251 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 939494731 4274 12.72.48.251 (9 Oct 1999 18:45:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1999 18:45:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21496 I had to read this a couple of times and then look to see where the post came from. What you suggest may work in Greece, but in other temperate climates in the world it is bad advice to suggest you attempt to overwinter 2 queens separated by a queen excluder (or 2 in this case) in a single hive. One of the queens will ultimately be stranded as the bees form their cluster. I think it is best to combine the 2 using the newpaper method. I wouldn't worry about where the queens are and let the bees sort it out. In the spring either buy or raise 2 queens and make the split. That said, without knowing Randy's location, I would doubt there is much chance of overwintering in any case unless he managed to get some brood and stores out of the wild colonies. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there ANEL-STANDARD wrote in message news:7tn9lo$phg$1@newssrv.otenet.gr... > If the two swarms are really small , you should consider the idea to combine > the two swarms with their two queens in the same floor . There is an > equipment cold `` beehive divider `` that is designed for this work . Put > the divider between the swarms and close the drawers for at list 24 hours.In > that way , the two deferent swarms will have the same smell and when you > will open the drawers after 24 hours ), the workers will act like they are > from the same colony , and you will have two queens which they will not able > to kill each other because there is a double queen excluder on the divider . > In spring , it will be very easy to separate the two swarms . This > technique is very popular even to combine meekly swarms that are week or > small . > > If it is difficult for you to obtain one of those dividers , cut a piece of > wood exactly at the dimension of the inner part of the hive , open holes > less than 3 mm to be sure workers can not go through and use this as to > divide the hive divider . Separate with this the two different swarms by > placing it between the frames for more than 24 hours and then replace it > then . Of coarse in that way you will loose the one queen when you will > remove your hand made divider but you will have the workers combined . > > > > R & S Adams wrote in message > news:7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net... > > We have captured two "wild" hives, one from a tree and one from the wall > of > > a house. Neither is very strong so it seems that they should be combined. > > Which should go on top? The weak or the stronger? One definitely has a > > queen, we will go thru the other hive tonight to see if it does. > > > > Thanks, Randy Adams > > > > > > > > Article 21497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Honey Prices Lines: 92 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF1268.0089E8C0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <1tML3.5153$JM3.210133@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:13:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939496381 204.186.180.48 (Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:13:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:13:01 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21497 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF1268.0089E8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see the point that you are making. That even if produced in the U.S. = this doesn't necessarily make it better, and you are right.=20 But, have you ever had straight Chinese honey, it is far worse tasting = than light beer.=20 This comes down to mostly the economics. The imports are hurting U.S. = beekeepers, and it's the same for hundreds of other industries in the = U.S. and it sucks! Down with NAFTA! I can say however that we as packers take pride in selling all U.S. = produced honey. The following from your post says it best. Charles Kroeger said, "The authorities in these countries have been bought and paid for as = well as any American politician, and choose to look the other way when = it comes to the environmental damage done by DDT to their own land. If you're a Star Trek fan, you will remember Quark's famous question: = "what, humans test nuclear weapons on their own planet?" Speaking of Quark's quote, I wonder how much radiation is in Chinese = exports with all the nuclear tests they have been doing lately?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF1268.0089E8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I see the point that you are making. That even if produced in the = U.S. this=20 doesn't necessarily make it better, and you are right.
 
But, have you ever had straight Chinese honey, it is far worse = tasting than=20 light beer.
 
This comes down to mostly the economics. The imports are hurting = U.S.=20 beekeepers, and it's the same for hundreds of other industries in the = U.S. and=20 it sucks! Down with NAFTA!
 
I can say however that we as packers take pride in selling all U.S. = produced honey.
 
The following from your post says it best.
 
Charles Kroeger said,
"The authorities in these countries have been bought = and paid=20 for as well as any American politician, and choose to look the other way = when it=20 comes to the environmental damage done by DDT to their own land.
If = you're a=20 Star Trek fan, you will remember Quark's famous question: "what, = humans=20 test nuclear weapons on their own planet?"
 
Speaking of Quark's quote, I wonder how much radiation is in = Chinese=20 exports with all the nuclear tests they have been doing lately? =
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BF1268.0089E8C0-- Article 21498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-Related Mailing Lists & Chats Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:54:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7to6hg$qpq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: allend@internode.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 To: allend@internode.net X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 09 19:54:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21498 If you are looking for information on almost any beekeeping topic, after you have checked out the bee texts available, the BEE-L archives and sci.agriculture.beekeeping archives are a good place to look. You can search on any keyword or combination of words at the links below. BEE-L is a mailing list, and messages are sent direct to subscribers by email as they are received. More info on subscribing is available at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L . There are other beekeeping lists available now on the net. Perhaps some of the members here will post information on them and how to subscribe. I have a page devoted to these lists and also list several chat areas (I've never yet encountered anyone on the chats), as do several other who have compiled lists, but I think that these pages are getting out of date. Mine is at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/Default.htm . Suggestions for additions are appreciated. While you are there, check out 'What's New'. I have added some pictures of treating with formic acid and added quite a few details to the 'Varroa & Formic' Page. Allen Dick ------- BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <=pn=N2EGjx7F39Caf=QSLfrh3BBJ@4ax.com> References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <1tML3.5153$JM3.210133@nnrp1.ptd.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:02:16 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.153 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939506813 38.31.18.153 (Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:06:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:06:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21499 Royal Draper says further: >The imports are hurting U.S. beekeepers, and it's the same > for hundreds of other industries in the U.S. and it sucks! > Down with NAFTA! This reminds me of what Abraham Lincoln said about "free trade" and bear in mind he never had the advantage of the Harvard Business School: Abe said: "When we buy a steel rail from England, we have the rail and they have the money, when we buy the same rail from ourselves, we have the rail and the money." When General Motors and Ford establish factories in Mexico, and pay their workers $10 for a twelve hour shift, and import the finished vehicles into America, tariff free, this is supposed to be a triumph of free trade. You might think they would involve the American public in this shameful exploitation by passing on low prices for these Mexican made vehicles, but they don't, because they know that the average American working stiff who's wife also has to work, is a sap; your local patriot will buy a GM pickup and think he's buying American. This is globalization. The only benefit from NAFTA as regarding Mexico at least, is where American corporations can build a factory and hire a work force without unions and pay that force near slave labour wages by American standards. The paradox is, if you interview a Mexican working in this factory, he will tell you he's never had it so good. He's making $50 a week and this will enable him to buy and live in a concrete block house in a neighborhood of many other houses just like his own, and he thinks it's great. In a nation as wealthy as America, I consider this to be the opinion of slaves, with the underlying message that the American worker could have a job like this if only he would be so happy as his Mexican counterpart. This is not "free trade" this is ruthless exploitation, and, you know what they say about history, for those that don't learn from it. This triumph of greed will finally become the reason for revolution, not in Mexico, but here. Americans should become informed and politicize themselves and unite against supporting American manufacturing in countries that are oppressive of human rights and allow their populations to be exploited by foreign capitalist. ("we have seen the enemy, and it is us") You don't have to be in an organization to do this, we can, as individuals make a difference on our own, acting and thinking as free men and women. Abe Lincoln was speaking for all nations when he said: ...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Article 21500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.cs.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.com (TexasDrone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 10 Oct 1999 00:25:31 GMT References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <19991009202531.10014.00000259@ng-ca1.news.cs.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21500 >What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey >prices? Time to write congress and impose tarriffs on imported honey. Is >anyone behind me? Sometimes you have to take matters in your own hands... if someones not paying the price you want find somebody who will... I feel the same way about the price drop... but instead of giving up to the packers "Big Fix" I started processing and marketing my own honey...yes its time consuming , but in the end the money worth it. I'm making about $1.50 per pound..sure beats the .46 cents the local packer is offering and its great advertisement for your other products such as pollen and wax. Its also a great way to find new bee locations. You will also find that most people prefer to buy direct from a "Bee Guy" than off a store shelf. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. Article 21501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ANEL-STANDARD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining HIves Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:02:08 -0700 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Message-ID: <7tpra9$n82$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> References: <7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net> <7tn9lo$phg$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> <7to2gb$45i$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <7tpr12$n2v$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-c032.otenet.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 939552905 23810 195.167.121.160 (10 Oct 1999 10:55:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 10:55:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21501 I am sorry i didn't write the name of the special beekeeper of the US ministry of agriculture i note on my last replay . He was W. E. Dunham . Article 21502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: desirable bee types Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:09:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7tphk2$mub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991006105202.19637.00000198@ngol07.aol.com> <19991006172342.11235.00000149@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.60 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 10 08:09:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.60 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21502 Al, I believe the Canadian regs allow importation of bees from Hawaii, because, though Hawaii is US, it is able as a state of islands to maintain its stock Varroa-free and Africanized-gene-free. But I have seen ads for Hawaiian bees only specifying Italians. And most of the Hawaiian breeders seem, according to the ads, to sell only queens, not packages to mainland destinations. For Buckfast there are now breeders in Ontario, at least, to supply the Canadian need. You might want to check out this website to find the names and addresses of five Ontario breeders, supplying Buckfast, Carniolan, Italian, and Ontario Italian bees. Gentleness is claimed more for Carniolan and Buckfast than for Italian bees. Buckfast are highly productive, according to the literature. The presence of breeders of all the above in Ontario should indicate something of their ability to winter well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ANEL-STANDARD" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining HIves Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:57:11 -0700 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 107 Message-ID: <7tpr12$n2v$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> References: <7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net> <7tn9lo$phg$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> <7to2gb$45i$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-c032.otenet.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 939552610 23647 195.167.121.160 (10 Oct 1999 10:50:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 10:50:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21503 You have a point , but the combination of two queens is possible and we have learn this technique in Greece from US scientists ( Dr. C. L. Farrar of theGoverment experimental station in Madison and from the special beekeeper of the US ministry of agriculture ) . This combination will guide to the one of the two queens death if there is not enough incoming or stored pollen in the hive and the swarms continue to be combined for a long period . I have try this on my own hives in order to make some weak swarms pass the cold by giving one the same floor one frame with pollen to each swarm and in most of cases , after the end of the winter , both of the queens where present . I admit that in some cases I did lost the one queen , but in generally I won from this technique . Of coarse in Greece we have a small winter . Early in the spring , with the first inspections when the bees are in progress I place a double queen excluder and I place the one queen on the first floor . It depend from the blooming when I will separate the two swarms , but this have to be IF both swarms are strong and before the blooming and never in the middle of it . It would be my pleasure to send you a sample of this divider . Send me your address . George Styer wrote in message news:7to2gb$45i$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net... > I had to read this a couple of times and then look to see where the post > came from. > > What you suggest may work in Greece, but in other temperate climates in the > world it is bad advice to suggest you attempt to overwinter 2 queens > separated by a queen excluder (or 2 in this case) in a single hive. One of > the queens will ultimately be stranded as the bees form their cluster. > > I think it is best to combine the 2 using the newpaper method. I wouldn't > worry about where the queens are and let the bees sort it out. In the spring > either buy or raise 2 queens and make the split. > > That said, without knowing Randy's location, I would doubt there is much > chance of overwintering in any case unless he managed to get some brood and > stores out of the wild colonies. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > > ANEL-STANDARD wrote in message > news:7tn9lo$phg$1@newssrv.otenet.gr... > > If the two swarms are really small , you should consider the idea to > combine > > the two swarms with their two queens in the same floor . There is an > > equipment cold `` beehive divider `` that is designed for this work . Put > > the divider between the swarms and close the drawers for at list 24 > hours.In > > that way , the two deferent swarms will have the same smell and when you > > will open the drawers after 24 hours ), the workers will act like they are > > from the same colony , and you will have two queens which they will not > able > > to kill each other because there is a double queen excluder on the divider > . > > In spring , it will be very easy to separate the two swarms . This > > technique is very popular even to combine meekly swarms that are week or > > small . > > > > If it is difficult for you to obtain one of those dividers , cut a piece > of > > wood exactly at the dimension of the inner part of the hive , open holes > > less than 3 mm to be sure workers can not go through and use this as to > > divide the hive divider . Separate with this the two different swarms by > > placing it between the frames for more than 24 hours and then replace it > > then . Of coarse in that way you will loose the one queen when you will > > remove your hand made divider but you will have the workers combined . > > > > > > > > R & S Adams wrote in message > > news:7thv2l$dm1$1@news.ipa.net... > > > We have captured two "wild" hives, one from a tree and one from the wall > > of > > > a house. Neither is very strong so it seems that they should be > combined. > > > Which should go on top? The weak or the stronger? One definitely has > a > > > queen, we will go thru the other hive tonight to see if it does. > > > > > > Thanks, Randy Adams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 21504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:42:15 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3800FA26.2C84470A@club-internet.fr> References: <37FE52E0.9CB2B7FF@mwci.net> <2118-37FE71C7-19@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-1-234.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 939584604 18466 195.36.153.234 (10 Oct 1999 19:43:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 19:43:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21504 bonjour, Regarding the question of Chinese honey quality - an indication of what can be found on the European market is described in the results of an enquiry under taken by the Union of French honey Producers on the following site: http://apiservices.com/spmf/market.htm The results are very interesting to those who worry about honey quality, even though some might not consider this the best way of advertising the problems in the industry. Happy reading- make the effort to visit the site and let me know what you think. All opinions welcome!! Best wishes Peter Article 21505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Christiansen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Drone question? Lines: 85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:34:19 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.142.199.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 939587748 129.142.199.213 (Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:35:48 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:35:48 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21505 >So, how do we make a drone frame? > >John I will show you two methods we use in Denmark when removing droneframes. = They are probbebly used in other countries as well. =20 Method A: A frame is devided verticaly in three areas as shown below. The middle = area, which is the largest, is used for worker bees (W), and the areas = toward the sides are used for dronecells (D). In the drone-areas, they = get no foundation and no steel thread/wire at all. The middle part for = the workerbees are mounted as usual. With this method, it takes a visit every 10 days. First time, one, and = only one drone-area (D1) is remouved. After 10 days, the other = drone-area (D2) is removed, then after another 10 days the first = drone-area (D1) again, and so on. The bees will here in our country = build dronecells (without drone foundation) all spring til about mid = July.=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * = * * * * = * * D1 * W * D2 = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Method B: A frame is also here devided verticaly in three areas as shown below. = All areas are used for dronecells (D). There are no foundation and no = steel thread/wire at all.=20 With this method, it takes a visit every 7 days, where one, and only one = drone-area is removed. First time D1, second time D2, thrid time D3, = forth time D1.... and so on.=20 =20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * = * * * * = * * D1 * D2 * D3 * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * = * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * =20 The good thing with thise methods is, that the varoa mite has dronecells = to enter most of the time. It is important to get the remouval of the dronecells done in time. The = varoa mite prefer as known the drone cells, because they are multiplying = faster in those cells. If not remouved, they will have a negative = effect. Lennart Christiansen Article 21506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: madQ Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Date: 10 Oct 1999 20:19:30 GMT Organization: madQ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7tqsci$uo$1126@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-mz12-29.tin.it X-Newsreader: madQ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21506 Download Ia.n.i. RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! New site: http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/apple/1030/ Article 21508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: Honey Prices Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:47:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7tr5jk$4ff$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: nw.carbon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 939596212 4591 62.136.2.128 (10 Oct 1999 22:56:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 22:56:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21508 Two that I know of: Unregulated medication of bees leading to contamination of the honey. Use of low grade drums - apparently some Chinese honey can be identified from the high levels of iron in it - from the rusty drums. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: 09 October 1999 03:03 Subject: Re: Honey Prices > >Chinese honey is to cover up the poor quality of the Chinese honey. > > Humm, one hears this a lot, but exactly why is Chinese honey poor > quality? High levels of sucrose perhaps? bad flavor? I would be > interested to know the details of what poor quality means. > > Thanks, > > Charles Kroeger Article 21509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!news.uva.es!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dar=EDo=20S=E1nchez=20Gonz=E1lez?= Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:44:23 +0200 Organization: Universidad de Valladolid - Spain Lines: 20 Message-ID: <380124D6.4FB1FFFA@uva.es> References: <19991008161258.23205.00000027@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: conserjeria.alfviii.uva.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: simancas.uva.es 939598852 19107 157.88.176.1 (10 Oct 1999 23:40:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uva.es NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 1999 23:40:52 GMT To: Jajwuth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: es Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21509 Jajwuth escribió: > There was a legend about how bees got their stingers. There is a book > (something like a childeren's book) called How The Bees Got Their Stingers. In > the legend the bee was given the stinging ability by a spirit. To repel the > bear it took multiple stings and losing his grip and falling out of a tree to > give the bear second thoughts about raiding the honey. Does anybody know of > other legends about bees.? > Al Many years ago, I read about a legend that at the begining bees didn't have stings. But they was tired because humans robbed their honey. Then they talked with God and told him that they would like to have anything for their defence. God told them that they have enought honey for all. "Yes -they answered- but we want stings for our defence". "O.K. -God said- I will give you stings, but I will punish you because you are very avaricius and so you will die if you sting". I hope you like it, and excuse me for my bad english (from Spain). Article 21510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:19:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7trcge$h1v$7@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19991008161258.23205.00000027@ngol06.aol.com> <380124D6.4FB1FFFA@uva.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21510 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dar=EDo=20S=E1nchez=20Gonz=E1lez?= wrote: >Jajwuth escribió: >> There was a legend about how bees got their stingers. There is a book >> (something like a childeren's book) called How The Bees Got Their Stingers. In >> the legend the bee was given the stinging ability by a spirit. To repel the >> bear it took multiple stings and losing his grip and falling out of a tree to >> give the bear second thoughts about raiding the honey. Does anybody know of >> other legends about bees.? >> Al >Many years ago, I read about a legend that at the begining bees didn't have >stings. But they was tired because humans robbed their honey. Then they talked >with God and told him that they would like to have anything for their defence. God >told them that they have enought honey for all. "Yes -they answered- but we want >stings for our defence". "O.K. -God said- I will give you stings, but I will >punish you because you are very avaricius and so you will die if you sting". >I hope you like it, and excuse me for my bad english (from Spain). You forgot the part where the bees got out their analytical geometry book and studied conic sections so that their stingers would have a point at the end! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Oct 1999 01:49:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991010214947.01861.00000773@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21511 While working with one of my hives about a month ago I was stung by a yellow jacket and found out how allergic I was. I have been stung about 20 times by honeybees this year with mild local swelling along with pain and irritation, but this (yellow jacket sting) was in a completely diffferent category. Within 15 minutes, I was sweating profusely and had the shivers. I began to break out in itchy hives all over my body. Hives appeared like great mounds radiating out from my armpits much larger than the ones that appeared on the rest of my skin. I got a headache and felt dizzy and stoned. I turned beet red all over. I had a slight pain like a cramp in my chest. I finished up my choirs (I was playing a little hookey that morning from work) and arrived at the office about 1 hour after the sting. I walked in the door and people reacted to the sight of me like I was covered in blood ("Oh my god? What's wrong? What's wrong?"). One of my coworkers gave me some antihistamines, and about 20 minutes later they started to work. By late afternoon I was mostly over it, but the ankle remained swollen like it was broken for 3 days. I've been meaning to call my doctor for information but haven't had a chance, and I don't have insurance (which provides a financial disincentive not to call, actually). Question #1: do I need a prescription to get an Epipen? #2: The next time I get stung by a yellow jacket, will the reaction be any different? #3 WIll over-the-counter antihistamines provide reasonable protection? Article 21512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Drone question? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:03:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939607292 209.90.4.83 (Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:01:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:01:32 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21512 Lennart Christiansen < >A frame is devided verticaly in three areas as shown below. The middle area, This sounds interesting; What is used to divide the areas? John Article 21513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Oct 1999 10:36:24 GMT References: <19991010214947.01861.00000773@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991011063624.09272.00000008@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21513 >Question #1: do I need a prescription to get an Epipen? yes >#2: The next time I get stung by a yellow jacket, will the reaction be any >different? yes, you could very possibly die >#3 WIll over-the-counter antihistamines provide reasonable protection? > absolutely NOT !!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Refn: Professional Beekeeper Message-ID: <3801d64d.484067750@news.usenetserver.com> References: <7tlota$8bi$3@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 20 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:16:07 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:21:45 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21514 Sorry Greg .. I though I did reply Dave On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:14:49 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: >Notice how no Master Beekeepers replied to my coments. Just >goes to show that they don't need to read and learn anymore >about beekeeping now that they have their title! > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > Article 21515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Epipen vs. Anakit etc. Date: 11 Oct 1999 15:18:03 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bf13fc$3cdf0b80$33d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-1-51.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 939655083 44132 199.45.211.51 (11 Oct 1999 15:18:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 1999 15:18:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21515 The recent discussions about anaphylaxis etc. have started me thinking seriously about protection. I'm not allergic, but members of my family, guests, etc. might be, and we're quite a ways away from the nearest hospital. So, I'm wondering... What are the available "sting kits"? Do any (or all) of them require refrigeration for storage? I'd rather choose one that's not, if possible. Any pros or cons to the various types? thanks -- remove spamfree to reply Article 21516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: 11 Oct 1999 16:03:16 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Message-ID: <7tt1o4$rcg$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: <19991010214947.01861.00000773@ng-da1.aol.com> <19991011063624.09272.00000008@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21516 Hk1BeeMan wrote: : >Question #1: do I need a prescription to get an Epipen? : yes : >#2: The next time I get stung by a yellow jacket, will the reaction be any : >different? : yes, you could very possibly die Speaking of which, I was just re-reading the last chapter of _The_Hive_ _and_the_Honey_Bee_ last night (the chapter that talks about sting reactions and allergies). One of the things that was pointed out was that, in the U. S., only about 40 people die every year from insect sting allergies (which is far less than the 300 or so who die every year from penicillin allergies, for example). This number incidentally includes wasp, hornet, and ant stings, as well as honeybees. This is out of the estimated 0.4% of the population (about 1 to 2 million people) that has a potentially life-threatening reaction to stings. So, it sounds like even the serious reactions are more frightening than anything else, and not really that likely to kill, particularly if the victim gets reasonably timely treatment. That isn't to say that you shouldn't get an epi-pen, and get treatment if you are having a generalized reaction (as opposed to a large local reaction, or a skin-only reaction), but it sounds like it isn't anything to get terrorized about, either. This chapter had a lot of other interesting information in it, I recommend that everyone interested in these things read it. If nothing else, it will make you less likely to blindly accept it when somebody tells you, "I'm terribly allergic to beestings, if I'm stung, I might die." It turns out a lot of people have been very misled about these things. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 21517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf13fc$3cdf0b80$33d32dc7@spike> Subject: Re: Epipen vs. Anakit etc. Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:06:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 939661604 204.186.180.30 (Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:06:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:06:44 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21517 We keep a Epipen, Auto-injector on site at all times, thankfully we have never had to use it, so I can not comment on its use. It does not need to be refrigerated, but does have an expiration date. You will need to get a prescription for it. www.draperbee.com Article 21518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rachel Workman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie looking for local group Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:40:14 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21518 Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to start some bees next year after doing my homework this winter. I'm in southcentral Kansas and would appreciate any referrals one could make. Thanks! Article 21519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "My Thoughts about Bee Diseases, Mites, and Pests" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:09:17 -0000 Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.254 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.254 Message-ID: <3802433a@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 11 Oct 1999 16:06:18 -0500, 209.222.81.254 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.81.254 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21519 Greetings! We have updated the following link: "Bee Articles" Titled::"My Thoughts about Bee Diseases, Mites, and Pests" http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Article 21520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Oct 1999 20:29:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991011162956.26066.00000087@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21520 In article , "Rachel Workman" writes: > >Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to start some bees next year after >doing my homework this winter. I'm in southcentral Kansas and would >appreciate any referrals one could make. > >Thanks! Call your local county agricultural agent. Article 21521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:15:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7ttngu$ij8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.193 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 11 22:15:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.193 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21521 In article , nospam@nospam.com (David C) wrote: > Thanks Kent for your insight. I found a local beekeeper and he says > it's more likely I haven't been feeding my bees enough. He says the > local pollen has been slow this year & I should have started feeding > earlier. His 2nd guess was roober bees. I haven't reduced the entrance > when I started feeding & I should have. I'm going in for an inspection > this weekend to check how strong they are and what's going on inside. > I should be able to better judge what to do afterwards. > > Thanks again, > David > David I am in Texarkana- have several hives- where in East Texas are you? will be glad to help if I can Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:21:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ttm45$1dg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 939678661 46600 209.130.165.79 (11 Oct 1999 21:51:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 1999 21:51:01 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21522 Hi Rachel- I would contact the Kansas Honey Producers Assn. for starters. The American Beekeeping Federation membership directory lists Vera L. Young as a contact person...phone # 913-299-9366. Good Luck! --Busybee Rachel Workman wrote in message ... >Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to start some bees next year after >doing my homework this winter. I'm in southcentral Kansas and would >appreciate any referrals one could make. > >Thanks! > > Article 21523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee laws Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1999 00:11:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991011201132.18180.00000431@ng-bj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21523 I thought I remember reading somewhere that it was illegal to kill honey bees or destroy colonies. Does any know if any laws exist. I have been telling people it is illegal in hopes of protecting the bees. There are still morons out there that believe in killing what scares them or what they dont understand., Keith Article 21524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "beemanone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:14:13 -0400 References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-ELN-Date: 12 Oct 1999 01:15:01 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Oct 11 18:25:00 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-003fltampp230.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <7tu22l$383$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21524 If you started them from packages that would be normal. The old bees die of and you have yet to see the new ones.A hive will take a quart of sugar water a day easy but if they have plenty of stores you are not doing them any favers. I have found that a quart jar with just one or two small holes in the lid will stimulate brood production. beemanone@earthlink.net David C wrote in message news:A328502640036D23.8EABFDE91B1FB015.BEE0411F16769397@lp.airnews.net... > Excuse me for what is probably a newbie question. But I recently > (about 4 months ago) started three hives and there are now about 50 > dead bees out front of 2 of my 3 hives. I medicated them last week w/ > apistan strips and stated feeding them for the 1st time w/ sugar water > (2 to 1 ratio) and they sucked it (almost a quart) almost gone in one > day. Is this normal? Do I need to feed them as much as they will eat? > Can anyone help. Each hive has 2 brood boxes and I haven't put on any > supers yet. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance, > David Article 21525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.inc.net!news.inc.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Fulton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mesh floors to control varroa Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:29:37 -0500 Organization: Time Warner Telecom, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38029D11.90BCCFEC@kusd.edu> Reply-To: tfulton@kusd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.25.139.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.inc.net 939699745 25355 192.25.139.80 (12 Oct 1999 03:42:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@twtelecom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 1999 03:42:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21525 Just read a report from APIS on the advantages of a wire mesh hive floor vs. solid floorboards.  Has anyone tried this and are there plans for a substantial structure?  The discussion was very compelling in favor of this system in all the the far northern climates.  What do you think? T. Fulton Wisconsin Article 21526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee laws Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1999 03:54:50 GMT References: <19991011201132.18180.00000431@ng-bj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991011235450.21263.00000327@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21526 >There are still morons >out there that believe in killing what scares them or what they dont >understand., > edcuating the public is the key there never was a law that worked just check out the crime rate in your locality. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen vs. Anakit etc. Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1999 03:59:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991011235901.21263.00000328@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21527 >It does not need to be refrigerated, but does have an expiration date. >You will need to get a prescription for it. > >www.draperbee.com one important note though epi will degenerate quickly in sunlight and or stored at temps above 85 degrees Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1999 04:06:09 GMT References: <7tt1o4$rcg$1@campus3.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991012000609.21263.00000329@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21528 > So, it sounds like even the serious reactions >are more frightening than anything else, and not really that likely >to kill, particularly if the victim gets reasonably timely treatment. famous last words....... Adding to the previous post, Usually the first sting isn't the killer anyway,the antibodies generated may not even be evident till the next one when full anaphylaxis could set in. My point was that if the person had that bad of a reaction the first time then that should be a clear warning of things to come. My advice as a medic would be an immediate visit to the MD for desensitivity treatments and an epi pen avail at all times Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Melanie von Orlow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:01:22 +0200 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <380306F2.823334CD@chemie.fu-berlin.de> References: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> <37fd9999.192643407@news.gvn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.de (160.45.227.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Access: 16 17 19 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 939722426 14913 (none) 160.45.227.8 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321e (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21529 Hi, folks, if you check out the link & literature-page at http://www.hymenoptera.de you will find some useful links and even books (yess, in english, even if the page is still in german only). There is a pretty good booklet by Prys-Jones (british) which has some basic description about bumble bee boxes. But anyway, you don't need to buy one - it's simple to satisfy bumble bees. A basic box with a hole, filled with stray, turf and upholsterer's wool in the middle is fine. A tube (plastic or paper) connecting the entrance with the wool cluster leads the queen directly to the nest. The wool should be enclosed in a small box which can later be removed when the colony is growing. It's more difficult to get the queens in there - you need to catch a still searching queen (a queen which is not collecting pollen but circling over the ground; inspecting shadows and dark places) in spring and let her crawl into the nest. Keep the entrance hole closed for a couple of minutes so that no light distracts the queen while observing the nest site. A drop of sugar solution right at the entrance hole will convince her on the way out - watch her leaving the box: if she curves around the box, observing all edges and corners, she will return later and start nesting. Keep the box dry and warm but not directly sun-exposed - and your colony will grow. Certainly, you can attract bumble bees with bumble bee-flowers - flowers like the snapdragon which need force and a long tongue to reach the nectar are ideal. Melanie --------------------www.hymenoptera.de------------------------------------------ Article 21530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <1KgCOKKVnxIWBJcnR+L9DIsS1800@4ax.com> References: <19991011162956.26066.00000087@ngol01.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 84 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:02:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.211 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939708402 38.31.18.211 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:06:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:06:42 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21530 Rachel Workman ask: >wanting to start some bees next year and then, >I'm in southcentral Kansas I'm just south of Amarillo, Tx. so we have similar weather and climate, although I believe your location will be better. Are you near any rivers? Feel free to contact me if you want. Then Bob Pursley suggested: >Call your local county agricultural agent. Humm, well maybe where Bob is there is a county agent worth calling but don't bother calling the one for Randall Co. Texas. He hardly know's his arse, and is possibly a salesman for Dow Chemical. My suggestion for you is to continue to monitor closely this newsgroup and peruse the many domestic and foreign sites about beekeeping. I don't know what your web prowling rig is but if you don't already have it, copernic 99 is a "free" (banner ads, but not overbearing) bit of well done software for searching out sites on the WWW. http://www.copernic.com Start with: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/beekeeping/beebooks.html (connections to amazon.com beebooks) http://www.internode.net/honeybee/_disc3/0000010c.htm (an excellent site, very extensive) http://www.jandmar.com/books/bees.htm (a site for novices) http://spirit.lib.uconn.edu/waterbury/beebks.html (possibly THE list of beekeeping titles) http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/links.html (Planet beekeeping) http://www-sci.lib.uci.edu/HSG/Ref.html (complete reference for everything) up up and away C.K. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzcr9rMAAAEEAL5yIZSb7FzsKNUqfUgAlDBUfAtZFQnNQslYav/55RUdt8XH RVIl8R+RkqDnbR+z/3uHQWZkpTERkgrBPjVIPGUgxWYAAgrN7SESRvgJOTVyNyWu M7Vuk0rboLQL2rw4BvdD8n+mkECrzkCJyJ5nk4UnR8u6JB4bHJF1tXrzGMUNAAUR tC5DaGFybGVzIEtyb2VnZXIgPGNrcm9ncnJAZnJhbmtlbnN0ZWluZmFjZS5jb20+ iQCVAwUQNyv29JF1tXrzGMUNAQHfqgQAqWYVpAN5yWnzTetfTJQasQnT2xFZZE7K jpzr5QuRVnPsX5p12Y8rNSAVDcnhacpYddZ/eZ/Jwi/3vFqMwp6Nq/5F6+TSsspp 3jkyI4HQyJJ95OwCxdXbQG3A1lbjmp+AejOx86neMrsebUX2TzOViCIexcoO6008 dS1mGW8kTvI= =HB6v -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Article 21531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7tt1o4$rcg$1@campus3.mtu.edu> <19991012000609.21263.00000329@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:06:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939733483 209.90.4.100 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:04:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:04:43 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21531 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message > > So, it sounds like even the serious reactions > >are more frightening than anything else, and not really that likely > >to kill, particularly if the victim gets reasonably timely treatment. > > famous last words....... > Usually the first sting isn't the killer > My advice as a medic would be an immediate visit to the MD for desensitivity > treatments and an epi pen avail at all times > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Certainly a bee sting kit should always be close by when you are near bees. However, I think you are just "fanning the flames" by your advice. Of course, fatal reactions do occur. But you have a better chance of winning the "Power Ball" lottery than you do of having a fatal reaction. It's not bad advice to get desensitivity treatments but they can be done yourself. As for the antibodies generating and resulting in anaphylaxis, usually the opposite is true. The reaction to bee stings recedes after a certain amount of time (in the majority of people). I receive approx. 100 stings per week as part of my treatment for MS. I've been getting stings for over a year and others have been getting them for years longer. The local reaction I get currently is a tiny brown dot at the sting spot. No itching, no redness, no swelling. Very little at least. I have no fear of being stung, but I do have Epi-pens nearby, because, as you say, it can happen at anytime. But it usually does NOT. John Article 21532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38036A2E.42AAB903@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epipen vs. Anakit etc. References: <01bf13fc$3cdf0b80$33d32dc7@spike> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:01:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.110 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 939747706 206.172.183.110 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:01:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:01:46 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21532 Hi there Spike, I am also a paramedic, and my recomendation is go for an epipen. It's fast and simple to use. If something happens, a regular anakit kit is very hard to use. The epipen is about twice as much, (about 70-90$ here in Canada), but are wirth the extra money. Allen B Spike Psarris wrote: > The recent discussions about anaphylaxis etc. have started me thinking > seriously about protection. I'm not allergic, but members of my family, > guests, etc. might be, and we're quite a ways away from the nearest > hospital. So, I'm wondering... > > What are the available "sting kits"? > > Do any (or all) of them require refrigeration for storage? I'd rather > choose one that's not, if possible. > > Any pros or cons to the various types? > > thanks > -- > remove spamfree to reply Article 21533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ID (location and guidelines) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:14:49 +0200 Organization: ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <38019C79.62121899@islapro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip212.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A16DC039BFFE03A04915665B" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en-US,de Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21533 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A16DC039BFFE03A04915665B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could some one post if there is some kind of "SIGN" to place on the sites where the hives are located. And the distance to maintain from a road, farmhouse, etc. In Italy they have some legislation, could some direct to it... --------------A16DC039BFFE03A04915665B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="islapro.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for islapro Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="islapro.vcf" begin:vcard n:Matas;Jose x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:ISLA producciones digitales, S.L. adr:;;Bdo. de Santa Eugenia, 14;Santa Maria;Mallorca;07320;SPAIN version:2.1 email;internet:islapro@islapro.com title:marketing tel;fax:971-140-870 tel;work:971-620-115 x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Jose Matas end:vcard --------------A16DC039BFFE03A04915665B-- Article 21534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ID (location and guidelines) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:56:05 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38039255.841@midwest.net> References: <38019C79.62121899@islapro.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21534 islapro wrote: > > Could some one post if there is some kind of "SIGN" to place on the > sites where the hives are located. "No Trespassing - Violators will be prosecuted, if I miss" AL Article 21535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ID (location and guidelines) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <38019C79.62121899@islapro.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:28:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.138 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939760373 38.31.18.138 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:32:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:32:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21535 islapro ask >Could some one post if there is some kind of "SIGN" to place on the >sites where the hives are located. A bright red sign with black gothic script; skull and crossbones and biohazard symbol above, with script below saying: "CDC BIOHAZARD US ARMY CRASH SITE. To delay litigation, have message translated into French, German, Spanish, Japanese, Arabic and Russian. In light of recent events, copy Blair Witch Project logo, i.e sticks tied together with string and hang in trees near hives, Ju Ju is no joke in Africa, and should work well here too. (U.S.A.) Anywhere south of Connecticut, green white and red sign with the warning: CUIDADO, ABEJAS AFRICANAS MUY PELIGROSO Glad I could help, Charles Kroeger - "Innocence is no defense against the death penalty" Recent ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in regard to the Mumia case. FREE MUMIA Article 21536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee laws Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Oct 1999 20:36:13 GMT References: <19991011201132.18180.00000431@ng-bj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991012163613.27646.00000458@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21536 From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) >>I thought I remember reading somewhere that it was illegal to kill honey >bees >or destroy colonies. Does any know if any laws exist. I have been telling >people it is illegal in hopes of protecting the bees. There are still morons >out there that believe in killing what scares them or what they dont >understand., If the colony is on your property, you can kill it. I believe this is true in all the states in the US, though I don't know about other countries. I have heard mention of some such law in Europe. When a hive is living in the wall of someone's house they have a legal right to kill it. I usually try to talk them out of it, unless the hive entrance is right next to a people passageway. We had bees in the second floor wall of our house when I was a kid and they lived there for years without bothering anyone. You may be thinking of pesticide laws, which refer not to the hive, but to the bee on the blossom. All insecticides in the US, that are hazardous to bees have prohibitions/directions when bees are foraging in the application area. In effect, it is illegal to kill bees on blossoms, though it is hard to enforce. We occasionally have people try to get us to take or exterminate bees, when they are merely foraging on a blooming plant, such as holly. One lady, last spring was spraying Raid on her hollies. I tried to explain to her that the bees were guaranteeing berries to feed the birds come winter. I also told her that the bees were someone's livestock, and asked if she would shoot someone's cattle in the field? As you say, there are plenty of dipwads who are entirely driven by fear and will not listen to reason. As people get farther and farther away from nature, they fear it more. Our local paper had a scare story about bats and rabies today. The article claimed that 20 people have died from bat carried rabies in the past THIRTY years in the US. I am skeptical, if even that many really have, but, good grief! More people die from lightning strikes on golf courses in Florida than that. So let's exterminate golfing! Or lightning! A good population of bats is a great natural mosquito control device! A school friend in elementary school (waaaaay back more than I want to admit) was bitten by a mosquito, scratched it a bit, got infected and went into blood poisoning. She was in the hospital for weeks, and nearly died. She was so skinny for the next couple years that we all got around her whenever the wind blew. Yikes! How'd I get rambling so? Ummm....is that a sign of senility, or of lack of sleep? Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com The Pollination Scene http://members.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html (Still chasin' spray planes, documenting violations) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Honey Prices Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:08:48 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 31 Message-ID: <000501bf14f5$f9f3a2e0$02000003@allend> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6xu42YYaGZ+ACQeS3UWizQY?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21537 > Chinese honey defiantly has an "off" flavor. China is an *immense* country with a huge and diverse population and many different areas with different floral sources. There are many different types and sources of honey in China, and I would imagine that there are some pretty advanced facilities there. I have no doubt that a great deal of Chinese honey -- perhaps the majority of it -- is of high quality. Nontheless, Chinese honey has deservedly earned a bad in export markets name due to some shipments that were of very questionable quality. > But I think the main concern > that I have is the handling and storage of honey in China. In the U.S. we > are held to tight rules and regulations, as to the way we handle, process > and pack honey. In China they are not held to such rules, for all we know > they still spray deadly pesticides or store their honey in used oil drums, > we just do not know. That is a genuine concern. We just don't know. Our inspectors hold us to high standards, but we are competing with a product from unknown facilities. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE BEEKEEPING CLASSIFIEDS are Working Again Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:10:21 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 46 Message-ID: <000601bf14f6$3146d820$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Sci. Agriculture. Beekeeping@List. Deja. Com" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6wB3wbZUfrZu5CZ4mPOR2M1?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21538 Just a note to let everyone know that the popular FREE BEEKEEPING CLASSIFIEDS are working again (I hope), after a period of difficulties. If you are not familiar with FREE BEEKEEPING CLASSIFIEDS, it is 'a place for beekeepers and suppliers worldwide to advertise bee related websites or coming events of interest to beekeepers such as courses or meetings and to trade bees, supplies, etc... You may Post Ads to buy or sell new or used beekeeping supplies, equipment or bees, or to advertise courses, products, services or websites of direct interest to beekeepers. Dealers, publishers and traders are welcome, too.' If you have been wondering about whether it would be right to try posting an ad to BEE-l or sci'agriculture.beekeeping and concluded it would be in poor taste, you are probably right. But all appropriate ads are welcome on FREE BEEKEEPING CLASSIFIEDS. BTW, I'm using a new system at Delphi for the ads, and am not sure how everyone will like the way it works, so please let me know if you think it is an improvement, or you find it cumbersome or unsatisfactory. The new site accepts pictures and HTML in ads and supports direct email responses, so I hope everyone loves it as much or more than the old site. THe old site is still there with all the ads going back several years. I suppose I should delete some of the old ads, but some of the stuff is still for sale. Maybe I should ask everyone to repost on the new site any items or events that were posted more than six months ago on the old site so I can delete the old material. Please? To get to FREE BEEKEEPING CLASSIFIEDS go to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee and choose the 'Free Bee Ad Page' link or go direct to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BeeAds/ Enjoy. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page.de.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Periodical Archive Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <_MNM3.359$X57.34382@news.corecomm.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:32:07 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.214.206.84 X-Trace: news.corecomm.net 939763898 216.214.206.84 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:31:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:31:38 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21539 I was hoping someone might know where to find a back issue of ABJ to download? Volume 138 # 5 page 382. It concerns an insemination device, "The Latshaw Instrument". If someone saves the previous issues and could send just this article, I would be greatful. Does anyone know who / where in the U.S. the instrument is made or any details? Thanks. mb ymbelluso@yahoo.com Article 21540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesh floors to control varroa Message-ID: References: <38029D11.90BCCFEC@kusd.edu> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1575 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 939771009 216.100.16.37 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:30:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:30:09 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:35:54 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21540 I put a swinging bottom floor on my top bar hive. It has hinges on one side and gate hooks on the other. It is handy for scraping debris off the bottom and for getting to combs that I might drop down inside the hive while harvesting honeycombs. I haven't found any varroa this year, no stunted wings, etc., but what do I know? In article <38029D11.90BCCFEC@kusd.edu>, tfulton@kusd.edu says... > Just read a report from APIS on the advantages of a wire mesh hive floor > vs. solid floorboards.  Has anyone tried this and are there plans for a > substantial structure?  The discussion was very compelling in favor of > this system in all the the far northern climates.  What do you think? > > T. Fulton > Wisconsin > > Article 21541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Oct 1999 00:58:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991012205822.02732.00000381@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21541 Thanks. I will contact my doctor, and let you all know what her advice is. Article 21542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ID (location and guidelines) Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Oct 1999 01:33:51 GMT References: <38039255.841@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991012213351.19159.00000365@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21542 I like it AL! Article 21543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesh floors to control varroa Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Oct 1999 03:41:29 GMT References: <38029D11.90BCCFEC@kusd.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19991012234129.12609.00000495@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21543 >Just read a report from APIS on the advantages of a wire mesh hive floor >vs. solid floorboards.  Has anyone tried this and are there plans for a >substantial structure?  The discussion was very compelling in favor of >this system in all the the far northern climates.  What do you think? > >T. Fulton >Wisconsin > > Have been using 6 mesh wire for bottoms on 4 way pallets for about 6 years. They work great for all conditions. Have wintered colonies near Keil, Wisconsin 15 years ago with open (no bottoms) on pallets with only two cross boards that two colonies sat on and they wintered well except for mice problems. With 6 mesh bees can not go through and trash drops through better and the bottoms are drier. 6 mesh is best, can be purchased at WT Kelley or direct from National Standard Wire Corbin KY (requires Min size order like 500'). David Miksa Groveland Florida Article 21544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!ctu-gate!news.nctu.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!attbt1!attbtf!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "oBw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question regarding verbage Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:06:49 -0500 Organization: Smart Lines: 53 Sender: mlee4321@freewwweb.com@*@1cust178.tnt26.chi5.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7u1365$bnv$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust178.tnt26.chi5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21544 This distinction is very important in my part of the country, because far to many people see yellow jackets, which are wasps, and believe they are bees and my fellow hobbyists and I get blamed for the stings they get. A local Doctor that sees a lot a sting victims in the emergency room tells me that over 90% of the "bee stings" he sees are actually wasp stings. Wasps eat meat & make paper nests. Bees eat nectar (and the honey they make from it) and pollen. Bees build their hives out of wax which they make from nectar. If this property is about bees; when this property is released we beekeepers will be asked is this or that is really true? And do bees really do that? I personally thank you for being concerned enough to get it right. Micky Lee MMattus wrote in message <19991001131317.11953.00000512@ng-fz1.aol.com>... >Hello Beekeepers. >Im an executive Producer for intellectual property development at Hasbro (the >toy company) My responsibilities are to direct the creative development of >film, television and live entertainment annimated features. we are currently >developing a property that is based on insects, and after reading the script >and advised to make changes, I've identified a small but large issue that you >folks may be able to simply answer for me. I don't know where else to look. > >Simply regarding the words "Hive" and Nest. This property takes place on >another planet so we have creative license, but as a naturalist by study, Im >calling the script writter on the use of the term Hive. My question to you >folks is this. Do Wasps have Hives under ground? Or is the term Nest more >correct? Im under the assumption, as a beekeeper myself, that a hive related to >"honeybees? and that Wasps create nests. Please advise. Thanks Article 21545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38048383.9D70C1F8@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesh floors to control varroa References: <38029D11.90BCCFEC@kusd.edu> <19991012234129.12609.00000495@ng-fp1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:05:14 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 939819688 24.24.11.225 (Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:01:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:01:28 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21545 > > Have been using 6 mesh wire for bottoms on 4 way pallets for about 6 years. > They work great for all conditions. < David - Any noticeable reduction in swarming tendencies with the mesh bottoms, IYE? Article 21546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: radio talk show airing 10/14 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:58:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21546 Greeting group, On Thursday the radio talk show Agri Talk based in Kansas City will have the beekeeping industry as their topic. Host Ken Root, a quite level headed fellow, said it will go beyond "of interest stuff" and deal with issues our industry is facing. Just thought you all might like to know. I listen to his show quite regular. Unlike most talk shows, this one has some substance. Check for stations and times on their web site www.agritalk.com. Ken's email address is host@agritalk.com. They air on WJAG from Norfolk, NE at 10:00 AM. Article 21547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: radio talk show airing 10/14 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:10:16 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21547 www.agritalk.com. >Ken's email address is host@agritalk.com. They air on WJAG from Norfolk, NE >at 10:00 AM. That's 780 AM. Article 21548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:08:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7ttm45$1dg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21548 > >I would contact the Kansas Honey Producers Assn. for starters. The American >Beekeeping Federation membership directory lists Vera L. Young as a contact >person...phone # 913-299-9366. > Another Kansan I'm familiar with is Gary Reynolds at Concordia who has Rainbow Honey Farms. He always went to LA and raised queens. May be a source of bees or info. Article 21549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 57 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Oct 1999 13:19:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Message-ID: <19991013091948.01307.00000402@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21549 Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Barren Spring Predicted for Farmers, Gardeners 10-10-99 Conway, SC: The environmental destruction of Hurricane Floyd has now been augmented by the destruction of pollinators, one of our most important environmental resources, during ongoing pesticide misuse by county officials. Farmers who lost their crops this year from drought and flood, will likely lose more next year from lack of pollination. Horry County has many crops that require bee pollination, including strawberries, blueberries, watermelons, cantaloupes, and cucumbers. Gardeners will find their cucumbers curled and knotty, and their melons small and tasteless from lack of bee visits to the blossoms. Malathion is being used in a massive assault against mosquitoes. Unfortunately, when misused, malathion seems to cause more damage to bees than to mosquitoes. In areas that were sprayed yesterday, mosquitoes were still fierce, while bees were dead and dying. It is obvious that these daytime applications are not only illegal, but ineffective as well. The malathion label prohibits application while bees are foraging in the application area, but county sprayers seem to be getting away with ignoring the label directions and spraying full-tilt while bees are out doing their work. Bees foraged today from 9:45 AM to 6:20 PM. This was determined by observations of bees carrying pollen to the hives, and/or by actual sightings of bees on the flowers. But county mosquito control personnel refuse to monitor the times that bees forage, which is necessary, if they are to comply with the law. Sunday morning, after bees began foraging, L. W. Rabon, of Aynor, SC, observed aerial applications over his home bee yard and other yards beginning at 10:50 and repeated passes occurring for about an hour. Bees had definitely begun foraging, so this was a clear violation of the malathion label. He has serious damage to his bees, with many dead and dying bees at the entrances of the hives. Beekeepers know that many of the bees never make it back to the hives, so the damage that is seen is only a part of the total. I estimate Rabon's damage to be in excess of $10,000 when all is said and done. Requests to the Department of Pesticide Regulation, the Attorney General and the Governor have met with stonewalling so far. What really hurts is that Extension Apiary Specialist, Dr. Mike Hood, has been totally silent, despite pleas for help for beekeepers, in the form of official monitoring of forage times, and helping beekeepers determine when label violations are occurring. We would think that, of these, the extension bee man would be the best advocate for bees and beekeepers. Perhaps the list members could add their pleas for him to GIVE US SOME HELP! His address is mhood@clemson.edu The applications continue today, probably in violation.... More info is available at a special web site created for this situation: http://members.aol.com/gardenbees/ Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles): http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rachel Workman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:55:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <7ttm45$1dg8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21550 thanks for the pointers. I do plan on getting some books and reading, as well as keeping an eye out here! Bob Nelson wrote in message news:s093jngvbhk20@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > >I would contact the Kansas Honey Producers Assn. for starters. The > American > >Beekeeping Federation membership directory lists Vera L. Young as a contact > >person...phone # 913-299-9366. > > > > Another Kansan I'm familiar with is Gary Reynolds at Concordia who has > Rainbow Honey Farms. He always went to LA and raised queens. May be a > source of bees or info. > > Article 21551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.119!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Message-ID: References: <19991013091948.01307.00000402@ng-fc1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1575 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 939844501 216.100.16.37 (Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:55:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:55:01 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:00:47 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21551 What I would like to know is if mosquitos can transmit the west nile-like virus from birds to humans, why do the medical specialists say that mosquitos can't transmit the AIDS virus from queers and fornicators to humans? In article <19991013091948.01307.00000402@ng-fc1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam says... > Malathion is being used in a massive assault against mosquitoes. > Unfortunately, when misused, malathion seems to cause more damage to bees > than to mosquitoes. In areas that were sprayed yesterday, mosquitoes were > still fierce, while bees were dead and dying. It is obvious that these > daytime applications are not only illegal, but ineffective as well. > > The malathion label prohibits application while bees are foraging in the > application area, but county sprayers seem to be getting away with ignoring > the label directions and spraying full-tilt while bees are out doing their > work. > Article 21552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Christiansen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net> Subject: Re: Drone question? Lines: 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:14:00 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.142.194.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 939847630 129.142.194.35 (Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:47:10 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:47:10 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21552 John O'Brien skrev i meddelelsen <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net>... >Lennart Christiansen < >>A frame is devided verticaly in three areas as shown below. The middle >area, >This sounds interesting; What is used to divide the areas? > >John A wood-list, maybe 1 x 2 cm (1/4 x 1/2 inch?). (I have used the type of = list that the rest of the frame is made of).=20 Lennart Christiansen=20 Article 21553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone question? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:53:47 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3804FF6B.3B46@midwest.net> References: <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21553 Lennart Christiansen wrote: > > John O'Brien skrev i meddelelsen <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net>... > >Lennart Christiansen < > >>A frame is devided verticaly in three areas as shown below. The middle > >area, > >This sounds interesting; What is used to divide the areas? > > > >John > > A wood-list, maybe 1 x 2 cm (1/4 x 1/2 inch?). (I have used the type of list that the rest of the frame is made of). > wood-list??? I don't understand the term. Maybe a wood slat? It was my understanding the drone areas were left open (no foundation) to encourage the building of natural comb, which in your area was largely drone comb. I assummed the central region of the frame contained a section of foundation like we would use for brood. Did I misunderstand? Is the "wood-list" something added to reinforce the foundation? AL Article 21554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <22695-38052282-23@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAm/ricDkJQ50NQRV8oghtq/h1DDECFGVi4qlAWzvs3zFbm1CT1pjCk2d+ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21554 Peter, are you worried you might get AIDS from a bite????????? Article 21555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:13:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7u3cpd$8qk$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <22695-38052282-23@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21555 tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) wrote: >Peter, are you worried you might get AIDS from a bite????????? Shouldn't he be? They transmit other diseases. Just because the government says something, doesn't make it true. Remember the warnings about flashbacks that you would get from smoking pot? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.comxxx (Jeff Reader) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesh floors to control varroa Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 1999 04:17:07 GMT References: <19991012234129.12609.00000495@ng-fp1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991014001707.14124.00000907@ng-fg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21556 The report in APIS said to use 8 mesh to keep down mites. The idea is the mites will fall through and can't get back to the bees. Will this still work with 6 mesh? Have you noticed less mite probles since you went to the mesh floor? Can you give me a better idea of how yours are constructed? (I know lotst of questions) >Have been using 6 mesh wire for bottoms on 4 way pallets for about 6 years. >They work great for all conditions. Have wintered colonies near Keil, >Wisconsin 15 years ago with open (no bottoms) on pallets with only two cross >boards that two colonies sat on and they wintered well except for mice >problems. >With 6 mesh bees can not go through and trash drops through better and the >bottoms are drier. 6 mesh is best, can be purchased at WT Kelley or direct >from National Standard Wire Corbin KY (requires Min size order like 500'). > >David Miksa Groveland Florida No XXX in my E-mail Article 21557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "stacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Strips - Newbie Question Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:35:25 -0700 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: rdts1-145.connect.ab.ca Message-ID: <3803fd8f_1@skylite.connect.ab.ca> X-Trace: 12 Oct 1999 21:33:35 -0600, rdts1-145.connect.ab.ca Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tac.net!skylite.connect.ab.ca!rdts1-145.connect.ab.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21557 Hi all....this is my first yr beekeeping and I have a question about medicating with apistian strips. I placed the strips in my hives a cpl of weeks ago and am wondering how long I can leave them in the hive. The instructions on the pkg stated to leave the strips in the hive for up to 42 days. As It is starting to cool off for the winter, I am preparing to winterize my hives and am wondering what todo with the apistan strips. Should I pull the strips now while I can before I winterize, or can they be left inside the hives for the winter. It is starting get cool here and I am reluctant to go into the hives anymore this fall. Would prefer to leave the strips in for the winter. I would appreciate any insight the experienced beekeepers in this NG can offer...thanx DÁrcy P.S. I am located in Alberta, Canada. Article 21558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 1999 16:54:36 GMT References: <01bf1627$8b242280$16a24cc6@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991014125436.20849.00000095@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21558 >Around here they're using Dibrom applied from C130's by the Air Force. I'll >just have to go a couple of yards this weekend and see what kind of shape >they're in. Dibrom is extremely potent. It also has a label direction prohibiting use when bees are foraging. Most of the bees who catch one of these ultrafine droplets will just drop right where they are, so they never make it back to the hive. With malathion, more make it back, and the damage is more obvious, in the form of piles of dead bees at the entrance. Either will make your bees too weak to winter, because the field force is stripped off. You need to move quickly to document any damage. What was the time of application, weather conditions, bees foraging? Get your state pesticide enforcement people to take samples quickly, before they deteriorate, or preditors carry the dead bees off. Read up on the subject: www.pollinator.com/cotton/ I am using a camcorder to document the applications and the bees foraging. You might want to do the same. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!jw7402 From: jw7402@mgmt.purdue.edu (james ward) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:54:30 -0500 Organization: purdue Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: k539a.mgmt.purdue.edu X-Trace: mozo.cc.purdue.edu 939919896 7794 128.210.131.69 (14 Oct 1999 16:51:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mozo.cc.purdue.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Oct 1999 16:51:36 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21559 I applied Apistan strips to my hive several weeks ago. They were placed in the main part of the hive, below a super with a bee escape (one-way door so bees would leave super but can't retrun). Hence no bee should have been able to get near the strips and return to the super. There was one frame in the supper that was filled with honey. Is this honey safe to eat? Article 21560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <22695-38052282-23@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7u3cpd$8qk$4@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:31:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.244 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 939922554 38.31.18.244 (Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:35:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:35:54 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21560 >Remember the warnings about flashbacks that you would get >from smoking pot? Yes, but they meant Viet Nam. You remember the old Richard Pryor joke, his uncle told him "boy don't you eat no pussy" so he said: "I couldn't wait to eat a pussy, he'd been wrong about everything else." C.K. Article 21561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:08:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38060DF7.916@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21561 james ward wrote: > > I applied Apistan strips to my hive several weeks ago. They were placed > in the main part of the hive, below a super with a bee escape (one-way > door so bees would leave super but can't retrun). Hence no bee should have > been able to get near the strips and return to the super. There was one > frame in the supper that was filled with honey. Is this honey safe to > eat? Why did you install Appistan strips and *not* remove the super??? AL Article 21562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 1999 18:35:42 GMT References: <19991012205822.02732.00000381@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991014143542.07590.00000311@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21562 My doctor gave me a prescription for 3 epipens, without even making me come in for an appointment. Turns out the epipens are only $5 each, not a bad price for what you're getting. However, they need to be purchased anew each year. A course of desensitization treatments would require more than a few visits to an allergist, which would be cost-prohibitive to the uninsured like me. Article 21563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: Steve Hird Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:17:59 -0500 Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38061E57.C61ADFC2@hp.No.com> References: Reply-To: Steve_Hird@hp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mtdsteve.lvld.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21563 A group in Isreal experimented with this and found no trace of the chemical in Apistan in the Honey when it was used according to directions (for up to 45 days). Apistan tends to biuld up in the wax over time and increases the chances for honey contamination. I'm no expert, this is just what I read. james ward wrote: > I applied Apistan strips to my hive several weeks ago. They were > placed > in the main part of the hive, below a super with a bee escape (one-way > > door so bees would leave super but can't retrun). Hence no bee should > have > been able to get near the strips and return to the super. There was > one > frame in the supper that was filled with honey. Is this honey safe to > > eat? Article 21564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Oct 1999 20:06:21 GMT References: <19991014143542.07590.00000311@ng-fi1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991014160621.28838.00000155@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21564 In article <19991014143542.07590.00000311@ng-fi1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: > >My doctor gave me a prescription for 3 epipens, without even making me come >in >for an appointment. Turns out the epipens are only $5 each, not a bad price >for >what you're getting. However, they need to be purchased anew each year. >A course of desensitization treatments would require more than a few visits >to >an allergist, which would be cost-prohibitive to the uninsured like me. > > Why did he give you three? These are used in an Emergency only, when the ambulance is coming to you. Article 21565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991012205822.02732.00000381@ng-ci1.aol.com> <19991014143542.07590.00000311@ng-fi1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:37:09 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939933345 209.90.4.141 (Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:35:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:35:45 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21565 > for an appointment. Turns out the epipens are only $5 each, not a bad price for You are referring to a co-pay amount which is not indicative of the actual price. > A course of desensitization treatments would require more than a few visits to > an allergist, which would be cost-prohibitive to the uninsured like me. This, as I have said before, can be done by ones self. John Article 21566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: dbuzz@honeycombers.com (dbuzz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-Related Mailing Lists & Chats Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Originating-Host: 152.205.99.69 References: <7to6hg$qpq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Lines: 24 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:31:02 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.3.176 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 939939828 10.0.3.176 (Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:23:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:23:48 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21566 Greetings, Allen: Speaking of apiary websites, I just wanted to drop you and everyone else here a line and let you know of a new U.S.-wide apiary directory website that is now online. The site, www.honeycombers.com, has a growing database that currently holds contact information for nearly 1,500 beekeepers in all fifty states. The database is searchable by phone area code, ZIP code, or apiary/beekeeper name. Registering an apiary with the Honeycombers.com database is a simple process and is currently free. After February 1, 2000, membership subscriptions may be purchased for $15 per year, or $27 for a two-year subscription. There's a good deal more information available at the site. I hope you all will drop by and check it out some time. Best Regards, Mark Waldron Honeycombers.com -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?b ****- Real Discussions for Real People Article 21567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991013091948.01307.00000402@ng-fc1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bf1627$8b242280$16a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:37:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.22 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 939893877 198.76.162.22 (Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:37:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:37:57 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21567 Hello Dave, Around here they're using Dibrom applied from C130's by the Air Force. I'll just have to go a couple of yards this weekend and see what kind of shape they're in. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Dave Green wrote in article <19991013091948.01307.00000402@ng-fc1.aol.com>... > Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! > Malathion is being used in a massive assault against mosquitoes. > Unfortunately, when misused, malathion seems to cause more damage to bees > than to mosquitoes. In areas that were sprayed yesterday, mosquitoes were > still fierce, while bees were dead and dying. It is obvious that these > daytime applications are not only illegal, but ineffective as well. > $10,000 when all is said and done. Article 21568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Swienty A/S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment suppliers in Holland/Belgium Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:31:20 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7u4ehp$d2t$1@news1.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-08.dia.dk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21568 Hallo beekeepers, Can anyone tell me about beekeeping equipment suppliers in the region of Holland/Belgium. I am looking for resellers of my beekeeping equipment. Excuse my commercial interest posted to this excellent newsgroup, however, I am convinced about the good quality of my equipment and would like to find resellers of my equipment in this region as well. Any information will be very welcome. Thank you very much. -- Bjørn Andresen SWIENTY A/S BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT Hortoftvej 16 6400 Sonderborg Denmark Ph.: +45 74 48 69 69 Fax: +45 74 48 80 01 e-mail swienty@swienty.com www.swienty.com Article 21569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Drone question? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net> <3804FF6B.3B46@midwest.net> Message-ID: <01bf1628$3fd3a0c0$16a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 21 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:43:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.22 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 939894180 198.76.162.22 (Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:43:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:43:00 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21569 Hello Al, I've used 3/16" dowels with a 1" starter strip of plain foundation at the top. The bees will build worker or drone foundation depending on what they want at the time. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > wood-list??? I don't understand the term. Maybe a wood slat? > > It was my understanding the drone areas were left open (no foundation) > to encourage the building of natural comb, which in your area was > largely drone comb. I assummed the central region of the frame contained > a section of foundation like we would use for brood. Did I > misunderstand? Is the "wood-list" something added to reinforce the > foundation? > > AL > Article 21570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips - Newbie Question Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:01:25 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3805F045.2EBDA7B5@riverace.com> References: <3803fd8f_1@skylite.connect.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: MD7UpxbkDa08eVQtKdQW/YSmUyFLoSmWsTJo1KkmoJU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Oct 1999 15:01:27 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21570 As you've heard from this group before (and will again, I'm sure) the lable is the law. The label I have with my Apistan says to leave the strips in 42 to 56 days. That's at least 2 brood cycles. Removing them early reduces the effectiveness of the treatment. Do not leave them in all winter - that helps to get the mites resistant to the treatment, and then all beekeepers suffer. I'd wait the whole 42 days, then pick the warmest day in your weather forecast, pop open the hive and remove the strips as quickly as you can if it's cool out. I've seen people with two deeps staple two strips together (so it reaches all the way through both boxes) when they put the strips in, and then they only have to take the cover off to pull the strips out. I think this is against the label's recommendations, but if you have to treat in colder weather, it may be a decent tradeoff. -Steve stacker wrote: > > Hi all....this is my first yr beekeeping and I have a question about > medicating with apistian strips. I placed the strips in my hives a cpl of > weeks ago and am wondering how long I can leave them in the hive. The > instructions on the pkg stated to leave the strips in the hive for up to 42 > days. > As It is starting to cool off for the winter, I am preparing to winterize my > hives and am wondering what todo with the apistan strips. Should I pull the > strips now while I can before I winterize, or can they be left inside the > hives for the winter. It is starting get cool here and I am reluctant to go > into the hives anymore this fall. Would prefer to leave the strips in for > the winter. > > I would appreciate any insight the experienced beekeepers in this NG can > offer...thanx > > DÁrcy > > P.S. I am located in Alberta, Canada. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! Article 21571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellow Jackets Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:24:46 -0400 Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <38070f01@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 15 Oct 1999 07:24:49 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21571 I have yellow jackets all over one hive... they are going in and out of it at will ... I have closed the opening as much as possible and my little cordovans just can battle them. The hive is fairly strong and I use a top feeder on it.. so I know what the yj's are heading for... any help appreciated... Article 21572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers -- wet or dry? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:00:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7u7j2o$nuc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38073207.84FB57AF@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.209.114.144 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 15 16:00:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 171.209.114.144 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21572 > JGinNY wrote: > It is sometimes claimed that leaving a residue of honey in the combs > encourages granulation in the next season's new honey. > > On the other hand, a honey residue is said to discourage wax moths, *********************************************************************** Howdy JG -- I have not found honey to be much of a deterrant for wax moths -- and the residue of honey will certainly speed up granulation of new honey. I recomment allowing bees to clean the combs when placed above the inner cover with hole left open and store the supers of dry comb with PDB. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: g25778@aol.com (G25778) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The color of honey Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Oct 1999 16:24:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991015122408.09562.00000335@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21573 I just started to extract my first honey. Some frames have light and dark honey on the same frame, about half dark half light. Also some frames have all light honey with 2 or 3 cells of real dark honey. Is this just because of different flowers used by the bees? Why would some frames be practically all light with only a couple of cells of real dark honey? Thanks. Learned a good lesson too, don't put extracted frames on front porch. And if you do, don't expect many visits by the neighbors afterward. Article 21574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!jw7402 From: jw7402@mgmt.purdue.edu (james ward) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:04:45 -0500 Organization: purdue Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <38060DF7.916@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: k539a.mgmt.purdue.edu X-Trace: mozo.cc.purdue.edu 940006911 980 128.210.131.69 (15 Oct 1999 17:01:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mozo.cc.purdue.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 1999 17:01:51 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21574 In article <38060DF7.916@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: > james ward wrote: > > > > I applied Apistan strips to my hive several weeks ago. They were placed > > in the main part of the hive, below a super with a bee escape (one-way > > door so bees would leave super but can't retrun). Hence no bee should have > > been able to get near the strips and return to the super. There was one > > frame in the supper that was filled with honey. Is this honey safe to > > eat? > > > > Why did you install Appistan strips and *not* remove the super??? > > > AL Poor Planning. Article 21575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers -- wet or dry? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:35:30 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38079012.DF505C73@mwci.net> References: <38073207.84FB57AF@twcny.rr.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21575 Here in north-eastern Iowa I store my supers wet. I haven't noticed any problems with granulation in the next crop. We do not treat with PDB; the freezing weather pretty much eliminates the moths. If you can avoid using this nasty chemical, you should. Some beekeepers believe that the wet supers get the bees to work the supers during the following season, kind of like bait. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries http://www.greathoney.com JGinNY wrote: > Wondering what readers' preferences are -- to store extracted supers > wet, or to have the bees clean them out first. > > It is sometimes claimed that leaving a residue of honey in the combs > encourages granulation in the next season's new honey. Not sure if this > is true. (?) > > On the other hand, a honey residue is said to discourage wax moths, and > it hastens the bees' activity in the super-combs when they are added > next season. > > What say? Article 21576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.ebone.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!umdac!umu.se!not-for-mail From: Jan.Sundstrom@educ.umu.se Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The color of honey Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:41:05 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3807acdc.1570474@news.umu.se> References: <19991015122408.09562.00000335@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipcs4-3.modem.umu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: hudsucker.umdac.umu.se 940023782 18703 130.239.8.185 (15 Oct 1999 21:43:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@umu.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 1999 21:43:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21576 On 15 Oct 1999 16:24:08 GMT, g25778@aol.com (G25778) wrote: >on the same frame, about half dark half light. Also some frames have all light >honey with 2 or 3 cells of real dark honey. Is this just because of different >flowers used by the bees? Yes! > Why would some frames be practically all light with >only a couple of cells of real dark honey? II'm not sure, but it seems the bees try not to mix different kinds of nectar too much, Article 21577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The color of honey Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Oct 1999 23:23:05 GMT References: <3807acdc.1570474@news.umu.se> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991015192305.05018.00000029@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21577 I'd say they needed a refill. Article 21578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38073207.84FB57AF@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Storing supers -- wet or dry? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:54:21 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 939995432 24.24.11.225 (Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:50:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:50:32 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21578 Wondering what readers' preferences are -- to store extracted supers wet, or to have the bees clean them out first. It is sometimes claimed that leaving a residue of honey in the combs encourages granulation in the next season's new honey. Not sure if this is true. (?) On the other hand, a honey residue is said to discourage wax moths, and it hastens the bees' activity in the super-combs when they are added next season. What say? Article 21579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Storing supers -- wet or dry? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38073207.84FB57AF@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <01bf1768$f5caa7c0$87a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:58:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.135 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 940031924 198.76.162.135 (Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:58:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:58:44 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21579 I'll have to weigh in on the wet side, but it might be just a little bit of lazy on my part. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA JGinNY wrote in article <38073207.84FB57AF@twcny.rr.com>... > Wondering what readers' preferences are -- to store extracted supers > wet, or to have the bees clean them out first. Article 21580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991015122408.09562.00000335@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: The color of honey Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:37:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 940034151 209.90.4.145 (Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:35:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:35:51 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21580 > Learned a good lesson too, don't put extracted frames on front porch. > And if you do, don't expect many visits by the neighbors afterward. > I learned this the hard way also. Doesn't take them long to strip that honey out and ship it back to the hive, does it? John Article 21581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!WCG2!216.176.128.3!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:10:19 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3807EC9B.AB01585A@netnitco.net> References: <22695-38052282-23@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7u3cpd$8qk$4@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-81.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 940044056 27907 216.176.151.81 (16 Oct 1999 03:20:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1999 03:20:56 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21581 Man that really pisses me off. The damn government and it's departments are run by a bunch of assholes. What is so difficult about following directions on a fricken label of poison that they approved? It's typical of our government to dive head first into a problem without evaluating all options. Need I say agent orange? I hope that someone will be held accountable for this total disregard of safety. If it kills our bees then what could it possibly do to us? As for the state apiarist, if it's true,what in the hell does he still have a job for? I don't know about the rest of you beekeepers on this group but I feel like my bees are a part of my family and I take offense when something like this happensto them. Chad Howell Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >Remember the warnings about flashbacks that you would get > >from smoking pot? > > Yes, but they meant Viet Nam. > > You remember the old Richard Pryor joke, his uncle told him "boy don't > you eat no pussy" so he said: "I couldn't wait to eat a pussy, he'd been > wrong about everything else." > > C.K. Article 21582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:26:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3807FE80.CDC@midwest.net> References: <22695-38052282-23@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7u3cpd$8qk$4@news1.Radix.Net> <3807EC9B.AB01585A@netnitco.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21582 Chad Howell wrote: > > Man that really pisses me off. The damn government and it's departments are > run by a bunch of assholes. What is so difficult about following directions > on a fricken label of poison that they approved? Ever heard the old addage "Do as I say, not as I do" ? Government exercises this to the limit. Any body with the authority to make laws to control the masses must surely stand on ground that places it above the law. AL Article 21583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Daniel D. Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone question? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:27:57 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38080c51.4405918@news.tco.net> References: <0ybM3.92$ep3.7099345@alpha.sky.net> <3804FF6B.3B46@midwest.net> <01bf1628$3fd3a0c0$16a24cc6@default> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21583 On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:43:00 GMT, "Ernie Scofield" wrote: >Hello Al, > >I've used 3/16" dowels with a 1" starter strip of plain foundation at the >top. The bees will build worker or drone foundation depending on what they >want at the time. >-- >Ernie Scofield >Virginia Beach, Virginia USA I missed ashallow frame and put it in a deep lots of drone comb on the bottom of it Dan Dempsey Red Bluff Ca. Article 21584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dave Green...I need you! Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:59:25 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7u9r2q$ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-89.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 940076954 24068 209.130.165.89 (16 Oct 1999 12:29:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1999 12:29:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21584 Trouble a'brewin on rec.gardens...I haven't seen any postings from you yet! I need your help. --Busybee Article 21585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991015122408.09562.00000335@ng-fl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: The color of honey Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <7c%N3.6389$JM3.278150@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:37:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 940081027 204.186.180.80 (Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:37:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:37:07 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21585 Sounds like a lot of ours, the dark is bamboo and the light, mostly goldenrod, and aster. We are from NE Pennsylvania, may be different where you are. www.draperbee.com Article 21586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood for hives Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:54:22 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 940085558 209.90.4.174 (Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:52:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:52:38 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21586 Is Cedar an option for building hives? John Article 21587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Wood for hives Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:54:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 940089298 204.186.180.208 (Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:54:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:54:58 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21587 John O'Brien wrote in message ... >Is Cedar an option for building hives? Yes, an expensive option! We use cedar bottom boards and covers on our hives and they last longer than pine. Have not heard of anyone using cedar supers or frames though. www.draperbee.com Article 21588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for hives Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:09:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3808B13C.1EFB@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21588 Royal Draper wrote: > > John O'Brien wrote in message ... > >Is Cedar an option for building hives? > > Yes, an expensive option! We use cedar bottom boards and covers on our > hives and they last longer than pine. > Have not heard of anyone using cedar supers or frames though. > > www.draperbee.com I'm constructing some new boxes this weekend out of Ponderosa pine. Cedar was a consideration, but I was concerned that it wouldn't hold up to the prying and scraping. AL Article 21589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <7OgIOF5lcW=XWy5umacK120R1sjA@4ax.com> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 286 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:40:55 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.250.187 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 940113936 38.31.250.187 (Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:45:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:45:36 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21589 mrnorth ask the concerned question: >What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey Then islapro relates his understanding of the federal reserve and yet offers no answer, excepting his views on tariffs as: >with tariffs (on) everything: all the understandings, stable commercial > relations will go down the drain. Good, I welcome it. Our country is like a heroine addict, when it comes to consumption of foreign goods. We have a record trade deficient with almost all of our trading partners, save Mexico, which doesn't have anything to trade but labour. If that national drain of wealth continues, the dollar will become more and more devalued against currencies of countries you might want to visit. My son gets tired of hearing me talk about "Europe on $5.00 a day. (a celebrated travel guide of the 1960's) I noticed that over the past year, the dollar has even dropped 10% in value against the Mexican Peso. (I wonder who decides that valuation) I for one remember when the U.S. dollar was worth 5 swiss franks. (sorry dude that was 1968) Now it will cost you a hundred dollars to have lunch in Geneva, and my friend who lives in Barcelona says that she was traveling through Paris last week and one of those pissy Euro breakfasts with the croissant coffee and jam was $25 a person at the hotel, she said they could get it for half that on the street. Yeah, the dollar is really strong in Paris. >Obviously the fall in prices is due to the strengh of the dollar. >The current rate for European currency is 1 Dollar = .990 Euros. >The last year was 1 Dollar = .776 Euros Think again, this has more to do with the Euro, which is a sort of European instrument that can be used as a "common currency" between the members of the EU and is designed to be more like the dollar in value. (I noticed they just gave some bird the Nobel Prize in Economics for figuring this out) Now all those Marshall Plan Euro dollars can now be converted into Euro's. The value of the dollar against the real currency of our major trading partners, like Japan and Europe, has fallen. A few months ago you could buy 115 Japanese Yen for each dollar, now about 108. Remember when Ronald Reagan devalued the dollar against the yen by about 50%, and suddenly Japanese tourist were very rich in our country, and they did a lot environmental damage speculating on real estate in the Hawaiian islands. They wanted to ship their aged citizens (the one's with money) there apparently; get them out of Japan. Remember as the money devalues slowly over the years, the "National debt" now in the Trillions, will not be hard to repay. It's like that conservative senator said: "well, the national debt is just money we owe ourselves"; so, apparently no worries mate. Remember in Germany in the 1920's when a million marks couldn't get you a cup of coffee? Hey, if you think it can't happen here, think again; and, we already have a jump on the Germans of the 1920's. Our nazis are already well placed in government. When your money is worth less and less over the years because more of your country's wealth is flowing out instead of in, pretty soon you develop a class system, and then you just have rich and poor and the police. If there is a lot of overt complaining the army arrives. there's a few battles, blood everywhere, lots of assassinations, concentration camps, then a lot of oppression and repression, and then a national emergency and then a military coup. After that the republic is no more. But forget all that, what we're on about is honey prices. I would venture to say that the demand for honey is a pretty stable thing, no matter what the price. I think the National Honey Board is like the Sierra Club, an organization that pays it's employees a lot of money, they're not worth. I'm sure the NHB is responsible for creating that crystal clear honey and thinking up ways to market honey as something it's not; and I think they are merely an arm of the large packers, who are content with providing supermarkets with a sterilized sweet syrup, and they really don't care where it comes from. It's no wonder the demand is pretty stable. You take a superior product like honey and process it through the minds of lawyers and corporate men, then you're flying in the face of Nature. Regardless of how you think I sound, I don't think people are inherently stupid en mass, as such; if a local beekeeper puts (if he can) a display of his honey next to the usual supermarket honey, all in its natural clarified state, with his label containing his local address, with his information on the label explaining to the customer that this honey came directly from the comb, and contains all the pollen and natural plant sugars from the area, in a natural and unadulterated state, I think people will buy that honey and start to use more, like in their coffee (like me) and on everything you want to taste sweet. It's not a perfect world Virginia. I know the supermarket manager would catch a lot of heat if the very large bottler found out a local beekeeper was selling local pure honey along side theirs. There would be trouble because "they" know your product is better than theirs and so it wouldn't happen as you would be dealing with a company that was owned by faceless men far away and you would also be dealing with a little piss ant of a manager that can't even check the oil on his sport utility vehicle. The outcome of an attempt like that, i.e. selling your honey next to the big bottler's fare, is not going to happen, so here's the deal: Once people understand the difference after using the natural thing, they will want more. Back in the days when there was enough to go around and greed was still a deadly sin, producers, bottlers, and supermarkets could all make a living. Now as you know, things are different. If you're a commercial beekeeper and feel angry and cheated about the wholesale price of honey, think what the local farmers around Amarillo, Texas thought when they were offered $8.00 for a grown pig at the local market. This apparently being what a local pig is worth when produced in an intensive pig battery. Don't bother to rejoice and expect this to mean your Christmas pork roast will be the price of a loaf of bread, because it won't. It will continue to cost $6.50 a pound and taste like nothing. This is "competition" were all invited to think is so good for prices. In my opinion this type of production is pseudo efficient and lowers quality while using corporate financial clout to wreck local markets in the short term. Another thing, as our Carolina citizens noticed during the recent floods, these places of intensive pig production are, if I may use an old expression: an abomination and affront to God, and his creatures. Even within the wide expanse of the high plains of Texas, these pig batteries can be smelled for 20 miles when the wind is right. Just imagine what it's like for the humans who work there and the pigs therein. Don't eat it. In short for everyone in this country (U.S.A.) that produces anything of quality, it's time to cut your associations with your former service companies, also known as middlemen and let them take their chances like everyone else. One thing to consider in these dark times, it is better to make something, than service something. As beekeepers, we will never be replaced when it comes to intensive corporate bee farming, Ho, Ho, the mind boggles. So I say, if you're the only one's producing the honey, you should be the only one's bottling and selling it. The oil companies have been doing it for years, they call it "downstreaming" the big meat packers around here, (Xcel and Iowa Beef) that run those 24 hour killing and processing plants (5000 cows a day) maintain a controlling interest in the local feed lots, (the intermediate feeding place for cattle off the range) and subsequently the "live" price of beef. It doesn't really have a lot to do with supply and demand, it has a lot to do with freezers and price maintenance. Of course they will tell you differently. Don't eat this either. Right now in a local health food store in Amarillo, Texas someone is selling to the cognoscenti, honey, in special looking 4 pound jars that appears to contain honey that has been crystallized and or whipped and rebottled and some extraction scrap tossed in the top, and allowed to settle in, probably with the help of a little acceptable heat. I'm sure it's nice honey, but it cost $4.00 a pound. The honey comes in these largish bottles cylindrical in shape and looks like a section out of a Paschal candle. The honey is sold with it's own little display and brochures, extolling the virtues of "untreated" honey. I don't know if it sells or not, but the type of people who buy stuff there have money, and are concerned about nutrition. Such devices (bottling honey with comb scrap) are available to all producers of surplus honey. I would think the extra work and expense of containers would eventually pay off. A lot of people I talk to consider honey in the state I'm talking about to be a "medicinal" thing and as everyone in America knows, that means get out your checkbook. At this time of year, it stands to reason the price game is being played out on the producers of honey at a time when they've just produced it and it's sitting around in barrels. As we all know, honey can be stored indefinitely, without refrigeration. There is something basically wrong with someone trying to sell a product at the same time everyone else is trying to sell it too. The dark thing about globalization is that where ever you are on the planet, you will never get a break, because while you're enjoying a rest with your feet up by the fire, someone else's honey is being harvested south of the equator. By the nature of honey, meaning it can be stored an awfully long time, a honey bottler can buy the Argentine honey crop in March so there is no real reason to look forward to buying your honey in August, because the bottler has still got barrels stored from three years ago anyway, and can afford to act less than interested about your full drums of honey and instead talk about poor demand and falling prices. Because most large honey produces are like other farmers, they have to turn the crop over when it's in; they are victims of this system, and like farmers, just accept it. At least dirt farmers have far more subsidies and welfare legislated to them than a large scale beekeeper. I don't know any details about the buy back program, or if it even still exist, since it was a constant topic of conversation when honey was selling at 30 cents (U.S.) a pound but you didn't hear much about it after the anti dumping campaign was successful in establishing some protection and the price went over a dollar. Now if the price is falling, I suppose the subject will once again flourish whenever honey producers meet. However, as we're all invited to believe, protecting your local markets is counter to "free trade." This term free trade seems to me to be synonymous with free to be exploited. So, basically it boils down to bottling your own honey and driving around and establishing "markets" of your own. Sell the previous year's crop at spring and summer Farmer's markets. I personally think that honey bottled over one year is superior in bouquet and flavor to honey sold fresh from the comb. Lots of people go to Farmer's Markets and they pay top prices because they know the quality is high. Invest in some good looking barrels and store your honey in a cool dark place. Bottle what you can and sell it year round. Keep a surplus on hand. There are probably thousands of people within a short driving distance of your place, maybe millions. Your honey and your label showing your phone number and your website, (don't forget to sell online, UPS will deliver a 60lb bucket, properly sealed, and forget about volume discounts, they're gone; in the globalized world everything becomes negotiable) If your bottle and top (that holds 4 pounds of honey) and label cost you 1.50, and you figure 50 cents a bottle for packing and delivery, you've still cleared $6.00 for 4 pounds of honey, and that's $1.50 a pound. I don't recall any wholesale prices coming close to that. I think people will pay that for good honey, from the man, since they're already paying that much for the supermarket grade now. I remember reading that book by Sue Hubbel a few years ago; she was living in the Arkansas outback and had 200 hives. I remember two things about the book that impressed me; first it was that business about stinging her nephew an awful lot to determine if he was allergic to stings, and I remember thinking at the time: hummm, how do I meet this woman?, and the other thing was, how she loaded up her car with cases of honey and went around and sold them to local stores. I thought that was a good thing to do and proper too for any beekeeper as the culmination of one's hard work and special symbiotic relationship between one's self and one's bees. Remember if you plan it right, you can have sales year round. Don't forget about producing propolis tincture, it is very easy to do, and it sells for big bucks. In summer, I put regular metal screening on a cheap frame and make that the top. During the season, some of the bees will fill these screens, or almost fill them, with propolis. At the end of the year, remove the frames, cut out the screens and put them in the freezer. To harvest the propolis, just take out the screen and crumple it up over a piece of newspaper. You get a neat pile of small crystals of propolis, just measure out by volume what you want and add the alcohol. There are some very fancy applicator bottles (cost about $5.00 from a lab supply) that look really nice, and hold 250cc, with glass stoppers and grooves to line up for dripping out the tincture. Makes a great presentation and looks beautiful, on display. $25.00 a bottle. 1:2 mixture of propolis crystals and grain alcohol (Ethanol 90%by vol. Americans know it as "Everclear") by volume. Leave this mixture to stand for two weeks while giving it a shake every two or three days. When the time is up, decant by siphon or pouring, the extracted tincture. It will be a deep translucent red orange, very beautiful. If you have a lot of money, buy a centrifuge and get just about all the liquid back. Propolis is a powerful medicine, make no mistake. Convert your surplus wax to new foundation, and sell what you don't need along with your other bee products on your WEB SITE. I've always thought that wholesale wax prices were more derisory than wholesale honey prices. They certainly don't reflect the labour that produced it. Charles Kroeger - The Civil War has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic, but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. From Abraham Lincoln's letter to a friend (1864) Source: Washington Spectator vol.25, No. 18 http://www.newslet.com/washingtonspectator Article 21590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:29:24 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 289 Message-ID: <38090A54.61C8499A@netnitco.net> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> <7OgIOF5lcW=XWy5umacK120R1sjA@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-hyper-2-29.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 940117202 31709 216.176.150.29 (16 Oct 1999 23:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 1999 23:40:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21590 bravo Charlie, bravo!!!!!!! Charlie Kroeger wrote: > mrnorth ask the concerned question: > > >What are we a beekeepers going to do about the fall in wholesale honey > > Then islapro relates his understanding of the federal reserve and yet > offers no answer, excepting his views on tariffs as: > > >with tariffs (on) everything: all the understandings, stable commercial > > relations will go down the drain. > > Good, I welcome it. Our country is like a heroine addict, when it comes > to consumption of foreign goods. We have a record trade deficient with > almost all of our trading partners, save Mexico, which doesn't have > anything to trade but labour. If that national drain of wealth > continues, the dollar will become more and more devalued against > currencies of countries you might want to visit. My son gets tired of > hearing me talk about "Europe on $5.00 a day. (a celebrated travel guide > of the 1960's) > > I noticed that over the past year, the dollar has even dropped 10% in > value against the Mexican Peso. (I wonder who decides that valuation) I > for one remember when the U.S. dollar was worth 5 swiss franks. (sorry > dude that was 1968) Now it will cost you a hundred dollars to have > lunch in Geneva, and my friend who lives in Barcelona says that she was > traveling through Paris last week and one of those pissy Euro breakfasts > with the croissant coffee and jam was $25 a person at the hotel, she > said they could get it for half that on the street. Yeah, the dollar is > really strong in Paris. > > >Obviously the fall in prices is due to the strengh of the dollar. > >The current rate for European currency is 1 Dollar = .990 Euros. > >The last year was 1 Dollar = .776 Euros > > Think again, this has more to do with the Euro, which is a sort of > European instrument that can be used as a "common currency" between the > members of the EU and is designed to be more like the dollar in value. > > (I noticed they just gave some bird the Nobel Prize in Economics for > figuring this out) > > Now all those Marshall Plan Euro dollars can now be converted into > Euro's. > > The value of the dollar against the real currency of our major trading > partners, like Japan and Europe, has fallen. A few months ago you could > buy 115 Japanese Yen for each dollar, now about 108. Remember when > Ronald Reagan devalued the dollar against the yen by about 50%, and > suddenly Japanese tourist were very rich in our country, and they did a > lot environmental damage speculating on real estate in the Hawaiian > islands. They wanted to ship their aged citizens (the one's with money) > there apparently; get them out of Japan. > > Remember as the money devalues slowly over the years, the "National > debt" now in the Trillions, will not be hard to repay. It's like that > conservative senator said: "well, the national debt is just money we owe > ourselves"; so, apparently no worries mate. Remember in Germany in the > 1920's when a million marks couldn't get you a cup of coffee? Hey, if > you think it can't happen here, think again; and, we already have a > jump on the Germans of the 1920's. Our nazis are already well placed in > government. > > When your money is worth less and less over the years because more of > your country's wealth is flowing out instead of in, pretty soon you > develop a class system, and then you just have rich and poor and the > police. If there is a lot of overt complaining the army arrives. > there's a few battles, blood everywhere, lots of assassinations, > concentration camps, then a lot of oppression and repression, and then a > national emergency and then a military coup. After that the republic is > no more. > > But forget all that, what we're on about is honey prices. > > I would venture to say that the demand for honey is a pretty stable > thing, no matter what the price. I think the National Honey Board is > like the Sierra Club, an organization that pays it's employees a lot of > money, they're not worth. I'm sure the NHB is responsible for creating > that crystal clear honey and thinking up ways to market honey as > something it's not; and I think they are merely an arm of the large > packers, who are content with providing supermarkets with a sterilized > sweet syrup, and they really don't care where it comes from. > > It's no wonder the demand is pretty stable. You take a superior product > like honey and process it through the minds of lawyers and corporate > men, then you're flying in the face of Nature. > > Regardless of how you think I sound, I don't think people are inherently > stupid en mass, as such; if a local beekeeper puts (if he can) a display > of his honey next to the usual supermarket honey, all in its natural > clarified state, with his label containing his local address, with his > information on the label explaining to the customer that this honey came > directly from the comb, and contains all the pollen and natural plant > sugars from the area, in a natural and unadulterated state, I think > people will buy that honey and start to use more, like in their coffee > (like me) and on everything you want to taste sweet. > > It's not a perfect world Virginia. I know the supermarket manager would > catch a lot of heat if the very large bottler found out a local > beekeeper was selling local pure honey along side theirs. There would > be trouble because "they" know your product is better than theirs and so > it wouldn't happen as you would be dealing with a company that was owned > by faceless men far away and you would also be dealing with a little > piss ant of a manager that can't even check the oil on his sport utility > vehicle. The outcome of an attempt like that, i.e. selling your honey > next to the big bottler's fare, is not going to happen, so here's the > deal: > > Once people understand the difference after using the natural thing, > they will want more. Back in the days when there was enough to go > around and greed was still a deadly sin, producers, bottlers, and > supermarkets could all make a living. > > Now as you know, things are different. If you're a commercial > beekeeper and feel angry and cheated about the wholesale price of honey, > think what the local farmers around Amarillo, Texas thought when they > were offered $8.00 for a grown pig at the local market. This apparently > being what a local pig is worth when produced in an intensive pig > battery. Don't bother to rejoice and expect this to mean your Christmas > pork roast will be the price of a loaf of bread, because it won't. It > will continue to cost $6.50 a pound and taste like nothing. > > This is "competition" were all invited to think is so good for prices. > In my opinion this type of production is pseudo efficient and lowers > quality while using corporate financial clout to wreck local markets in > the short term. > > Another thing, as our Carolina citizens noticed during the recent > floods, these places of intensive pig production are, if I may use an > old expression: an abomination and affront to God, and his creatures. > > Even within the wide expanse of the high plains of Texas, these pig > batteries can be smelled for 20 miles when the wind is right. Just > imagine what it's like for the humans who work there and the pigs > therein. Don't eat it. > > In short for everyone in this country (U.S.A.) that produces anything of > quality, it's time to cut your associations with your former service > companies, also known as middlemen and let them take their chances like > everyone else. > > One thing to consider in these dark times, it is better to make > something, than service something. As beekeepers, we will never be > replaced when it comes to intensive corporate bee farming, Ho, Ho, the > mind boggles. > > So I say, if you're the only one's producing the honey, you should be > the only one's bottling and selling it. The oil companies have been > doing it for years, they call it "downstreaming" the big meat packers > around here, (Xcel and Iowa Beef) that run those 24 hour killing and > processing plants (5000 cows a day) maintain a controlling interest in > the local feed lots, (the intermediate feeding place for cattle off the > range) and subsequently the "live" price of beef. It doesn't really > have a lot to do with supply and demand, it has a lot to do with > freezers and price maintenance. Of course they will tell you > differently. Don't eat this either. > > Right now in a local health food store in Amarillo, Texas someone is > selling to the cognoscenti, honey, in special looking 4 pound jars that > appears to contain honey that has been crystallized and or whipped and > rebottled and some extraction scrap tossed in the top, and allowed to > settle in, probably with the help of a little acceptable heat. > > I'm sure it's nice honey, but it cost $4.00 a pound. The honey comes in > these largish bottles cylindrical in shape and looks like a section out > of a Paschal candle. The honey is sold with it's own little display and > brochures, extolling the virtues of "untreated" honey. I don't know if > it sells or not, but the type of people who buy stuff there have money, > and are concerned about nutrition. > > Such devices (bottling honey with comb scrap) are available to all > producers of surplus honey. I would think the extra work and expense of > containers would eventually pay off. A lot of people I talk to consider > honey in the state I'm talking about to be a "medicinal" thing and as > everyone in America knows, that means get out your checkbook. > > At this time of year, it stands to reason the price game is being played > out on the producers of honey at a time when they've just produced it > and it's sitting around in barrels. As we all know, honey can be stored > indefinitely, without refrigeration. There is something basically wrong > with someone trying to sell a product at the same time everyone else is > trying to sell it too. The dark thing about globalization is that where > ever you are on the planet, you will never get a break, because while > you're enjoying a rest with your feet up by the fire, someone else's > honey is being harvested south of the equator. > > By the nature of honey, meaning it can be stored an awfully long time, a > honey bottler can buy the Argentine honey crop in March so there is no > real reason to look forward to buying your honey in August, because the > bottler has still got barrels stored from three years ago anyway, and > can afford to act less than interested about your full drums of honey > and instead talk about poor demand and falling prices. > > Because most large honey produces are like other farmers, they have to > turn the crop over when it's in; they are victims of this system, and > like farmers, just accept it. At least dirt farmers have far more > subsidies and welfare legislated to them than a large scale beekeeper. > > I don't know any details about the buy back program, or if it even still > exist, since it was a constant topic of conversation when honey was > selling at 30 cents (U.S.) a pound but you didn't hear much about it > after the anti dumping campaign was successful in establishing some > protection and the price went over a dollar. Now if the price is > falling, I suppose the subject will once again flourish whenever honey > producers meet. However, as we're all invited to believe, protecting > your local markets is counter to "free trade." This term free trade > seems to me to be synonymous with free to be exploited. > > So, basically it boils down to bottling your own honey and driving > around and establishing "markets" of your own. Sell the previous year's > crop at spring and summer Farmer's markets. I personally think that > honey bottled over one year is superior in bouquet and flavor to honey > sold fresh from the comb. Lots of people go to Farmer's Markets and > they pay top prices because they know the quality is high. > > Invest in some good looking barrels and store your honey in a cool dark > place. Bottle what you can and sell it year round. Keep a surplus on > hand. There are probably thousands of people within a short driving > distance of your place, maybe millions. Your honey and your label > showing your phone number and your website, (don't forget to sell > online, UPS will deliver a 60lb bucket, properly sealed, and forget > about volume discounts, they're gone; in the globalized world everything > becomes negotiable) > > If your bottle and top (that holds 4 pounds of honey) and label cost you > 1.50, and you figure 50 cents a bottle for packing and delivery, you've > still cleared $6.00 for 4 pounds of honey, and that's $1.50 a pound. I > don't recall any wholesale prices coming close to that. I think people > will pay that for good honey, from the man, since they're already paying > that much for the supermarket grade now. > > I remember reading that book by Sue Hubbel a few years ago; she was > living in the Arkansas outback and had 200 hives. I remember two things > about the book that impressed me; first it was that business about > stinging her nephew an awful lot to determine if he was allergic to > stings, and I remember thinking at the time: hummm, how do I meet this > woman?, and the other thing was, how she loaded up her car with cases of > honey and went around and sold them to local stores. I thought that was > a good thing to do and proper too for any beekeeper as the culmination > of one's hard work and special symbiotic relationship between one's self > and one's bees. > > Remember if you plan it right, you can have sales year round. Don't > forget about producing propolis tincture, it is very easy to do, and it > sells for big bucks. In summer, I put regular metal screening on a > cheap frame and make that the top. During the season, some of the bees > will fill these screens, or almost fill them, with propolis. At the end > of the year, remove the frames, cut out the screens and put them in the > freezer. To harvest the propolis, just take out the screen and crumple > it up over a piece of newspaper. You get a neat pile of small crystals > of propolis, just measure out by volume what you want and add the > alcohol. There are some very fancy applicator bottles (cost about $5.00 > from a lab supply) that look really nice, and hold 250cc, with glass > stoppers and grooves to line up for dripping out the tincture. Makes a > great presentation and looks beautiful, on display. $25.00 a bottle. > > 1:2 mixture of propolis crystals and grain alcohol (Ethanol 90%by vol. > Americans know it as "Everclear") by volume. Leave this mixture to stand > for two weeks while giving it a shake every two or three days. When the > time is up, decant by siphon or pouring, the extracted tincture. It will > be a deep translucent red orange, very beautiful. > > If you have a lot of money, buy a centrifuge and get just about all the > liquid back. Propolis is a powerful medicine, make no mistake. > > Convert your surplus wax to new foundation, and sell what you don't need > along with your other bee products on your WEB SITE. I've always > thought that wholesale wax prices were more derisory than wholesale > honey prices. They certainly don't reflect the labour that produced it. > > Charles Kroeger > > - > The Civil War has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic, > but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves > me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. > As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and > an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money > power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign > by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth > is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. > > From Abraham Lincoln's letter to a friend (1864) > > Source: Washington Spectator vol.25, No. 18 > http://www.newslet.com/washingtonspectator Article 21591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: grizzly bearnolds Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswarm question Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:37:22 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991016203722.009d7c10@10.10.10.1> References: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: mkittner@10.10.10.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: "sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com" In-Reply-To: X-DejaID: _S7vnF8xsBK7dmFgCgZFVbA= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21591 >>>At 99.10.06, you wrote: >>>If they don't and your house has become the recipient of a new colony consider yourself touched by good luck. Being only "reasonably allergic" you could always consider buying the gear, and the books, and subscribing to the newsgroup. One problem though for anyone like me, I certainly don't want any bees near the house or its entrances. My experience has always been that a lot of bees go to great efforts to hunt me down. They curve around the people standing near me and they beeline towards me. Bingo. And I get stung again, unless I run pretty fast inside the safety of the house, and stay inside for some hours, because one bee will for sure wait outside for me, trying to catch me unaware, thinking that they would forget. It's no fun, believe me. No one believes me when I say that they chase me. I'm probably only "reasonably allergic" myself too but any sting is a big bother for at least one week. I envy anyone who can work their hives unprotected - I certainly can't. Call me paranoid if you want to, but still - I really would suggest to make sure that you are safe enough and that the bees leave you alone, before you allow them to nest in or near your house. Consider yourself lucky, yes, but also be careful a bit. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Daniel D. Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for hives Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 04:48:06 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38095383.9167092@news.tco.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21592 On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:54:58 GMT, "Royal Draper" wrote: > >John O'Brien wrote in message ... >>Is Cedar an option for building hives? > > >Yes, an expensive option! We use cedar bottom boards and covers on our >hives and they last longer than pine. >Have not heard of anyone using cedar supers or frames though. I bought some home made top bars that were made from western Incense Cedar and they work ok. At least the bees did not throw them out of the hive. Dan Article 21593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The color of honey Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 1999 06:45:13 GMT References: <7c%N3.6389$JM3.278150@nnrp1.ptd.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991017024513.04417.00000239@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21593 >Sounds like a lot of ours, the dark is bamboo I thought bamboo bloomed only once every 25 to 50 years...??? Kelly Article 21594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The color of honey Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 1999 14:05:36 GMT References: <19991017024513.04417.00000239@ng-fu1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991017100536.14715.00000370@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21594 >>Sounds like a lot of ours, the dark is bamboo > >I thought bamboo bloomed only once every 25 to 50 years...??? > Beekeepers call Japanese Knotweed "Bamboo" Polygonum cuspidatum A gift from the government like kudzu. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 21595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The color of honey Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Oct 1999 18:28:35 GMT References: <19991017100536.14715.00000370@ng-fc1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991017142835.21927.00000080@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21595 From: beecrofter@aol.comBee >>>Sounds like a lot of ours, the dark is bamboo >> >>I thought bamboo bloomed only once every 25 to 50 years...??? >> > >Beekeepers call Japanese Knotweed "Bamboo" >Polygonum cuspidatum >A gift from the government like kudzu. Very nice honey! It's a mild, wild buckwheat. I used to make it on the Susquehenna.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: grizzly bearnolds Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswarm question Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:53:24 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991017125324.007a6870@10.10.10.1> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: mkittner@10.10.10.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com X-DejaID: _S7vnFcxsBK7s0VaDoDQRog= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21596 >>>At 99.10.06, you wrote: >>>If they don't and your house has become the recipient of a new colony consider yourself touched by good luck. Being only "reasonably allergic" you could always consider buying the gear, and the books, and subscribing to the newsgroup. One problem though for anyone like me, I certainly don't want any bees near the house or its entrances. My experience has always been that a lot of bees go to great efforts to hunt me down. They curve around the people standing near me and they beeline towards me. Bingo. And I get stung again, unless I run pretty fast inside the safety of the house, and stay inside for some hours, because one bee will for sure wait outside for me, trying to catch me unaware, thinking that they would forget. It's no fun, believe me. No one believes me when I say that they chase me. I'm probably only "reasonably allergic" myself too but any sting is a big bother for at least one week. I envy anyone who can work their hives unprotected - I certainly can't. Call me paranoid if you want to, but still - I really would suggest to make sure that you are safe enough and that the bees leave you alone, before you allow them to nest in or near your house. Consider yourself lucky, yes, but also be careful a bit. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: myoungtx@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic honey & road work Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:20:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7udej7$dco$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.136.60.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 17 21:20:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.136.60.156 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmyoungtx Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21597 Many areas of the country still use some pretty harsh chemicals on their roads. I am trying to get out the message that environmentally safe roads are possible. Please direct your elected officials to http://www.soilscontrol.com for safe solutions to maintaining roads. We are safer, cheaper, and do a better job at the same time. This is a win win for everyone except the people who sell Sulphuric Acid to pour out on the roads. Why would anyone want a road made from battery acid? It won't get better until folks start complaining and insisting that safer ways are found to maintain roads. Regards, Mark In article , "Royal Draper" wrote: > In my opinion, it is not possible to have totally "organic" anything, due to > the fact that chemicals used long ago are still present in the soil and are > absorbed into the plants. We also have to think about acid rain and air > pollution. Even if it were possible to grow organically you can not tell the > honeybee which flower to work and which to pass by! > > Jajwuth wrote in message <19991004084145.07385.00000866@ngol03.aol.com>... > >The chemicals/oil or whatever it is they put on dusty gravel roads. I think > the > >chemicals are used to keep the dust down and help the road. > > > >My question is could this process possibly effect the classification of > organic > >honey ? > > > >Thanks > >Al > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <3.0.6.32.19991016203722.009d7c10@10.10.10.1> Subject: Re: beeswarm question Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <2_sO3.140$ep3.11162849@alpha.sky.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:31:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 940203006 209.90.4.171 (Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:30:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:30:06 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21598 > One problem though for anyone like me, I certainly don't want any bees near > the house or its entrances. My experience has always been that a lot of > bees go to great efforts to hunt me down. They curve around the people > standing near me and they beeline towards me. Bingo. And I get stung again, Truly funny; It does seem like that is the case sometimes. But that probably is not what is really happening. It's kind of ironic the situation that I'm in; I get about 100 stings per week to control my M.S. symptoms and I find it difficult to get the bees (and other insects also; like mosquitoes) to bite me. Some of it has to do with the fear which you are exhibiting. Most critters can sense/smell the fear and it in turn cause their hormones to flare up and they will go after you. Metal Jewelry will also set the bees "off" after you. Notice where they sting you, when they do. It will often be close to some metal article you are wearing. John Article 21599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!peer.news.verio.net.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> <7OgIOF5lcW=XWy5umacK120R1sjA@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Honey Prices Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:51:53 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 940210466 209.69.69.108 (Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:34:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:34:26 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21599 OK- so if I make up propolis ticture, what do I tell people it is for? Topical use on wounds? do people take the drops medicinally? What are the selling points for thes $25 bottles? I am sure people will ask...... Ellen > Remember if you plan it right, you can have sales year round. Don't > forget about producing propolis tincture, it is very easy to do, and it > sells for big bucks. In summer, I put regular metal screening on a > cheap frame and make that the top. During the season, some of the bees > will fill these screens, or almost fill them, with propolis. At the end > of the year, remove the frames, cut out the screens and put them in the > freezer. To harvest the propolis, just take out the screen and crumple > it up over a piece of newspaper. You get a neat pile of small crystals > of propolis, just measure out by volume what you want and add the > alcohol. There are some very fancy applicator bottles (cost about $5.00 > from a lab supply) that look really nice, and hold 250cc, with glass > stoppers and grooves to line up for dripping out the tincture. Makes a > great presentation and looks beautiful, on display. $25.00 a bottle. > > 1:2 mixture of propolis crystals and grain alcohol (Ethanol 90%by vol. > Americans know it as "Everclear") by volume. Leave this mixture to stand > for two weeks while giving it a shake every two or three days. When the > time is up, decant by siphon or pouring, the extracted tincture. It will > be a deep translucent red orange, very beautiful. > > If you have a lot of money, buy a centrifuge and get just about all the > liquid back. Propolis is a powerful medicine, make no mistake. > Article 21600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <19991008161258.23205.00000027@ngol06.aol.com> <19991017234555.01323.00000386@ngol01.aol.com> <7uev7n$f8r$3@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:51:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.8 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 940265758 38.11.203.8 (Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:55:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:55:58 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21600 Jajwuth muses: >I'm wondering in fact whether a bear would climb a tree to go after a bee hive. Without fail, they will, and it's all on film. Back in the 1950's Walt Disney of Disneyland fame, used to make full length "nature films" that required heroic patience from photographers he's pay to sit in a tree for six months and subsequently capture some amazing footage of creatures all within their natural surroundings in forests and deserts. One year Walt won all the marbles at the American Academy awards ceremony for (I think) "The Painted Desert". In regard to your question, in another feature, a bear is filmed not only climbing up the tree but sticking his paw in the hole the bees were using and hauling out the goodies. I've always admired the way Bears eat. The Bear was covered in angry bees and wasn't perturbed one bit, and it would seem he ate a number of bees as well. The Narrator said the bear was sometimes stung on the nose, but apparently he liked this too. So there you are, without electric fences, or laser beams or platforms to confound the bear, the bee hive will be ravaged and scattered to hell. I still like bears, and feel sad when I see them in Circuses. Charles Kroeger Article 21601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1999 03:45:55 GMT References: <19991008161258.23205.00000027@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991017234555.01323.00000386@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21601 previously i wrote: >To repel the >bear it took multiple stings and losing his grip and falling out of a tree to >give the bear second thoughts about raiding the honey I'm wondering in fact whether a bear would climb a tree to go after a bee hive. With the stinging insects and the height it may prove too much for the bear and decide not to go after a hive in a tree. Maybe the legend is based on actual observation by native indians. Al Article 21602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in isolation Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1999 03:45:57 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991017234557.01323.00000387@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21602 If you keep hives in an area where there is no other beekeepers would this lessen the chance of you bees contracting diseases etc. Al Article 21603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping and the Peace Corps Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1999 17:50:01 GMT References: <37fe3853.62304372@news.primenet.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991018135001.02381.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21603 I looked at their web site regarding their publications on beekeeping. They seem to be very pricey and I don't know why that would be when there looking for volunteers. I can't get them at my library, either. Al Article 21604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: earmails Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswarm question Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 03:49:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7ue5cd$r2u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7tehea$9c2$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.115.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 18 03:49:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.244.115.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDearmails Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21604 >>>At 99.10.06, you wrote: >>>If they don't and your house has become the recipient of a new colony consider yourself touched by good luck. Being only "reasonably allergic" you could always consider buying the gear, and the books, and subscribing to the newsgroup.<<< One problem though for anyone like me, I certainly don't want any bees near the house or its entrances. My experience has always been that a lot of bees go to great efforts to hunt me down. They curve around the people standing near me and they beeline towards me. Bingo. And I get stung again, unless I run pretty fast inside the safety of the house, and stay inside for some hours, because one bee will for sure wait outside for me, trying to catch me unaware and thinking that they would forget. It's no fun. No one believes me when I say that they chase me. I'm probably only "reasonably allergic" myself too but any sting is a big bother for at least one week. I envy anyone who can work their hives unprotected - I certainly can't. Call me paranoid if you want to, but still - I really would suggest to make sure that you are safe enough and that the bees leave you alone, before you allow them to nest in or near your house. Consider yourself lucky, yes, but also be careful a bit. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping & development-cover picture Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1999 18:06:29 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991018140629.02382.00000093@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21605 In the sept/99 issue of the above journal there is a picture of a Kurumba honey hunter holding a huge crescent shaped comb. It puzzles me how this magnificent comb shape would come from a wild hive. The man holds it like a trophy fish. Seems that in a lot of pictures of beekeepers it shows them holding comb, even if it is a LH frame. Has anybody else seen the picture from this fine publication? Al Article 21606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:38:20 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <38061E57.C61ADFC2@hp.No.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: mercury.wright.edu 940271905 26503 130.108.128.35 (18 Oct 1999 18:38:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@wright.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 1999 18:38:25 GMT To: Steve Hird In-Reply-To: <38061E57.C61ADFC2@hp.No.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21606 On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Steve Hird wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:17:59 -0500 > From: Steve Hird > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey > > A group in Isreal experimented with this and found no trace of the > chemical in Apistan > in the Honey when it was used according to directions (for up to 45 > days). Apistan tends to biuld up in the wax over time and increases the > chances for honey contamination. I'm no expert, this is just what I > read. > > james ward wrote: > > > I applied Apistan strips to my hive several weeks ago. They were > > placed > > in the main part of the hive, below a super with a bee escape (one-way > > > > door so bees would leave super but can't retrun). Hence no bee should > > have > > been able to get near the strips and return to the super. There was > > one > > frame in the supper that was filled with honey. Is this honey safe to > > > > eat? > Why would you want to put a super above a brood nest with a one-way bee escape for several weeks at a time? Bee escapes are for clearing the super just prior to harvest. If you leave a bee escape on too long you risk robbing from other hives through any cracks. Perhaps that explains why there was "one frame" of honey in the super. Field bees route the nectar into the brood nest to house bees who in turn carry it up to the super for evaporation and storage. Your long-term use of the one-way bee escape is self-defeating to both you and your bees. Better to follow directions: remove honey supers at time of application and do not return until strips are removed. Is it safe? You eat store-bought honey which has Chinese honey in it, don't you? Ever see anybody die from eating contaminated Chinese honey? Do you want to take a chance? Do you want to risk the health and welfare of your customers? Do you want to risk the reputation of over 200 years of American beekeepers who sell an uncontaminated product? Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University Article 21607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-186.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Quick Help! Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:41:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ba X-Server-Date: 18 Oct 1999 19:50:15 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21607 Greetings all... I've been over in Turkey photographing the aftermath of the earthquake, so I've not been in the discussion for a while. (Great honey over there, btw!) We're in the middle of a cold snap here in Colorado Springs, with temps below freezing at night, not far above it during the day, and with snow this past weekend. I went out to check the hive a few minutes ago and got a scare. The landing board has a dozen or so dead bees on it... This didn't worry me too much, as I expected some of them to freeze during the cold weather. Here's what's alarming... There are yellow jackets flying in and out of the hive at regular intervals! What gives? Are all the bees dead, and the evil YJ's are eating the bodies? The temperature outside the hive is 45; inside the hive it's 55. I'm afraid to open the hive because of the current temp. Thanks in advance for your help! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 21608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!EU.net!newssrv.ita.tip.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "Balcazar" Newsgroups: aus.culture.china,aus.culture.gothic,aus.culture.hellenic,aus.culture.lesbigay,fido7.culture,relcom.culture.underground,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,soc.culture Subject: ALL W.W.W. 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The Search Engine of Search Engines http://www.balcazar.com The Search Engine of Search Engines Article 21609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping & development-cover picture Message-ID: References: <19991018140629.02382.00000093@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1575 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 940287152 216.100.16.35 (Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:52:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:52:32 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:58:21 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21609 National Geographic magazine about 10 months ago had a picture of some combs like that being harvested by men in South Asia. The bees had selected a gigantic tree with white bark. The combs were gigantic and, as you mentioned, it was just one single big gigantic comb, not a series of little crescent combs like we are used to seeing in the top bar hives. In article <19991018140629.02382.00000093@ngol02.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > In the sept/99 issue of the above journal there is a picture of a Kurumba honey > hunter holding a huge crescent shaped comb. It puzzles me how this magnificent > comb shape would come from a wild hive. The man holds it like a trophy fish. > Seems that in a lot of pictures of beekeepers it shows them holding comb, even > if it is a LH frame. Has anybody else seen the picture from this fine > publication? > Al > Article 21610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!ratbert.tds.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:35:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7uev7n$f8r$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19991008161258.23205.00000027@ngol06.aol.com> <19991017234555.01323.00000386@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21610 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >previously i wrote: >>To repel the >>bear it took multiple stings and losing his grip and falling out of a tree to >>give the bear second thoughts about raiding the honey >I'm wondering in fact whether a bear would climb a tree to go after a bee hive. >With the stinging insects and the height it may prove too much for the bear and >decide not to go after a hive in a tree. Maybe the legend is based on actual >observation by native indians. >Al If your talking Native Americans, there weren't any bees here until the settlers brought them over. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping in isolation Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1999 11:33:43 GMT References: <19991017234557.01323.00000387@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991018073343.19517.00000023@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21611 >f you keep hives in an area where there is no other beekeepers would this >lessen the chance of you bees contracting diseases etc. >A yep thats true, but i've seen drones drift up to 10 miles Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Tobi Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive smell Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:53:40 -0500 Organization: Arsenal Technical High School Lines: 25 Message-ID: <380BEB43.7C9D4630@indy.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21612 Asters make a strong smell in hives. Tobi Rodney Isom wrote: > Hi folks, > > This is my first year beekeeping & I've got two fairly strong hives. I > started my fall medication (apistan, menthol, terramycin) about two weeks > ago. For about a week now, I've noticed a strange smell around one of my > hives. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet but I notice it when I get > close enough to the hives to feed them sugar water. It smells kinda like > old shoes -- almost a sour smell. Could it be foulbrood? I didn't notice > any problems when I first started the medication about 2 1/2 weeks ago & I > looked thru both hives pretty thoroughly at that time. Any suggestions on > what else could be causing the smell? > > Thanks, > Rodney Isom > Arab, AL > > **************** > Please post replies. 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New site: http://jump.to/IaniProject Article 21614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Beekeepers Clobbered by Illegal Spraying! Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Oct 1999 14:44:53 GMT References: <3807EC9B.AB01585A@netnitco.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991018104453.00748.00000027@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21614 I was listening to a radio program regarding an interview of a biologist concerning bees and beekeeping. I made some notes. He said that bees are good environmental indicators. He could walk through field and tell by the diversity of the bees he could tell whether a pesticide had been used. If it weren't for bees we would lose about a third of the food in our grocery store. The practise of beekeeping hasn't changed in 100 years. Other than the forklift there has been little change in mechanization. This is unlike other areas in agriculture. Perhaps this may be a cause of why they are beekeepers are poor government lobbyists regarding pesticide usage. Some of the other tacky comments in this thread regarding hiv etc. do not help with this important issue. Al Article 21615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rezzub@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumble bee stings Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:35:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.107.252.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Oct 19 10:35:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 WOFPX1, 1.0 ITB-Carp-Member-2, 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 153.107.252.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrezzub Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21615 Has anyone ever died from a bumble bee sting? Sorry to pose such a morbid question, but I am trying to find out if bumble bees pose any threat to humans. Most bumble bee enthusiasts I've spoken to insist that these bees are totally harmless. Is this true?!! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:32:39 -0400 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <380c56da@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 19 Oct 1999 07:32:42 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21616 In the last two weeks or so I have noticed an increase in drone population. I have also noticed the drones being kicked out as expected as the weather start to dip. In August and Sept when the drought was on the drone population was almost zero and now they appear to have increased. Just wondering what caused the increase of drones or.. is the cold weather and the normal kick the drone out season making it look like more drones than usual? Is it possible that when I put on extra syrup during the drought that this caused an increase in the drone population that I am seeing now? Too many questions for such a small bee! Bob New Concord, Ohio Article 21617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: nospam@nospam.com (David C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out front Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:22:52 GMT Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <0938835E893F8B98.B292E21A69CE38C3.B3A44003798A0948@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <380c61ff.67143235@news.fastlane.net> References: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Oct 19 07:19:59 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Zna"3I`/!P;HVm (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21617 I live in Tyler and I have 3 hives. Of the 3 hives 1 is taking a quart a day, the other 2 are taking about 1/2 quart a day. I found a guy in Jacksonville that sells sugar syrap for a buck a gallon. I bought a drum full. Article 21618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:33:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 940336393 204.186.180.125 (Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:33:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:33:13 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21618 >Has anyone ever died from a bumble bee sting? I am sure that somewhere in the world that someone has died from a bumble bee sting. Probably due to being allergic to the venom. Like the honeybee when they are out and about working they are pretty much harmless. Just watch out for their nests, they usually will burrow into the ground, so it is hard to see. I have more than once, accidentally disturbed a bumble nest and have been stung may times, with the same results as being stung by any other bee. www.draperbee.com Article 21619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping in isolation Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:17:12 -0500 Organization: The Birkey Group, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7uhqvq$fcr$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <19991017234557.01323.00000387@ngol01.aol.com> <19991018073343.19517.00000023@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.150.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21619 Yikes! You have far better eye sight than I have. I have a hard time following them much past 50 feet. -Barry ---------- In article <19991018073343.19517.00000023@ng-cc1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > yep thats true, but i've seen drones drift up to 10 miles Article 21620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Quick Help! Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:42:27 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <380C7543.683B881F@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: qnL7t6P5QlxAQoS4YNCmiTSTlqSKKVpE4ldqll9gvbg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Oct 1999 13:42:29 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21620 Hi Charles, I'm just at the end of my first year of beekeeping, but I don't see any other replies to your post, so I'll take a shot. > We're in the middle of a cold snap here in Colorado Springs, with temps > below freezing at night, not far above it during the day, and with snow > this past weekend. > > I went out to check the hive a few minutes ago and got a scare. > > The landing board has a dozen or so dead bees on it... This didn't worry > me too much, as I expected some of them to freeze during the cold weather. Sure - and if the bees aren't flying, they won't carry off the dead too quickly. > Here's what's alarming... There are yellow jackets flying in and out of > the hive at regular intervals! > > What gives? Are all the bees dead, and the evil YJ's are eating the bodies? It would seem they are either dead/weak, or huddled up from the cold and not defending the entrance. > The temperature outside the hive is 45; inside the hive it's 55. I'm > afraid to open the hive because of the current temp. You could shrink the entrance way down and give it a day or so and see if it makes a difference, but I (remember, relatively inexperienced) would pop it open quickly and take a fast look. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! 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Last year we had a 'photos and captions' competition, but have failed to find something for this year......nothing like leaving it to the last minute! Yours hopefully, Alison and Ian Lawson Article 21622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping & development-cover picture Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 1999 17:56:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991019135635.24019.00000011@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21622 Peter Amschel t> writes: >National Geographic magazine about 10 months ago had a picture of >some combs like that being harvested by men in South Asia. Thank you for the reference, I will try to find it at my local library. 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  Article 21625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apis dorsata Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Oct 1999 20:28:15 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991019162815.03612.00000008@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21625 Does anybody have a reference book that would give some detail on this subject. Or is there a field guide to others. Thanks Al Article 21626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wrongly accused bees Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 00:49:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991019204906.22858.00000114@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21626 I recently read in our local paper Charlotte Observer of a few people who were stung inthe mouth and throat when the accidently swallowed a 'bee' that was found in their soda can. 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New site: http://jump.to/IaniProject Article 21629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <0xQNOP2vajZTtsBK88zgO4zdQr0m@4ax.com> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> <7OgIOF5lcW=XWy5umacK120R1sjA@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 164 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:50:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.177 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 940384490 38.11.203.177 (Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:54:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:54:50 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21629 Ellen Anglin ask: >OK- so if I make up propolis ticture, what do I tell people it is for? Ahh..tell them it's big medicine. There is a book called: "The Miracle of Propolis" by Mitza Vosnjak. He published this in 1978. Mitza is a guy that became enthusiastic about propolis after hanging out with beekeepers and a country doctor that used propolis tincture on his patients, especially children with fever. Mitza was also a Yugoslav Ambassador to the GDR and is apparently known as a poet and novelist. Judging from Mitza's writing style in "The Miracle of Propolis" he tends to express himself along the style of Victorian melodrama and his writing suffers from excessive tedium; but, I'll give him a break, as maybe this is how Jugoslav sounds when translated into English. However, he went on to include some interesting results from "reasonably" scientific experiments. If you take everything in the book as presented, there would be no reason to have any other medicines in your house but propolis, if you were injured topically, or ill or becoming ill, or had pimples. There are chapters on propolis healing ulcers, (this is believable now that they know ulcers are caused by bacteria) and young girls clearing up their facial blemishes, and healing infected dental wounds, and a prophylaxis for the flu. Propolis is also represented as a natural antibiotic, and a cure for cancer (question mark) and test results to indicate many viruses vanquished. Although every publication about keeping bees will give a fearless description of what propolis is, and how bees collect resins from the trees and do their sacred mantra " hummmm" over it and other mysterious incantations and only then is it transformed into propolis and gets spread all over the inside of the hive. I'm not so sure I've ever read a satisfactory explanation of exactly why propolis seems to be such a steady state in the universe, like beeswax. In other words, to say that resins are collected and used by the bees as propolis is a very weak answer to what exactly propolis is, and if I was writing a book on bees, I wouldn't presume to know what it is or how, precisely, it's produced. If there are those among us who feel they can post a factual account regarding this substance and how it's done, I would enjoy reading it. If you have any dealings with propolis you will know that it's nothing like the resin from trees, so the question is what do the bees do to produce this stuff that is practically insoluble in naturally occurring liquids, save alcohol, which in itself is not so natural in the strengths required to tincture propolis. The bees literally cover everything in the hive with it. As soon as a new wax cell is used to raise a bee for the first time, it gets a coating of propolis for every subsequent egg laid in that cell. If the combs are used for years, they are completely black with propolis. Anyone that has melted down old brood comb knows that propolis "capsules" are not easily changed by the heat required to melt the wax. In fact the amount of propolis capsules produced compared to the wax rendered, is not so good, unless you just have a lot of time to spend for a little wax, and not such a good quality wax either. Old brood combs on clapped out frames make impressive fire starters if you have a fireplace, a better thing to do with them if you're like me, and only have a small number of hives. Getting back to Mr. Vosnjak's book, in a chapter he titles: "the medicine of tomorrow" he talks about a meeting of doctors, veterinarians, pharmacist, chemists, biologist and microbiologist and they called it the: "Second International Symposium on Propolis, Bratislava, 1976" and I quote: >The symposium on propolis consisted of sixty reports on its value in > mending broken bones, speeding up cell growth, curing diseases of > mucous membranes, skin, high blood pressure, and various other conditions. >The organizer of the symposium, Dr. Chizmarik from the University of Bratislava >was able to report that science had been able to analyze more than half of the >components of propolis. Only three and a half years earlier, at the first symposium >less than a third of the components had been isolated. >A scientist from Halle in Germany had been trying to establish which of all the >substances in propolis had the highest value, which was the most effective in the > fight against microbes. Many times he thought he was on the brink of finding >the answer. It would be of real value, since factories throughout the >world would be able to use his discoveries to produce a medicine from >the most useful substance. But it seemed that this would, afterall, not >be achieved for some time: to date research has not been able to >surmount the unexpected difficulties which arose almost at the end of >the research programme. Perhaps there is not just one substance in >propolis which is more valuable than all the others; perhaps propolis >exist only as a whole, and can only be repoduced by one factory in the >entire world, the beehive! MY EXPERIENCE: We use propolis tincture at our house. We believe and have experienced evidence of it's abilities in calming an upset stomach when taken with a mint tea. (recipe to follow) to lowering and removing a fever, and inducing a relaxed feeling that promoted sleep. We take it in tea if we feel we are catching a cold or flu. We use it as a topical dressing on small wounds much like the medical experts use iodine. It has an effect on skin problems from fungus (it does not cure the fungus, but stops the itching) to fever blisters. Basically it does everything Echinacia does without Echinacia's side effects and allergies associated with that herbal remedy. We have never experienced any side effects from propolis tincture. We take propolis internally as follows: To a mug of boiling water add an infusion of mint. It can be a mint tea bag. We like celestial seasonings peppermint, also Taso "refresh" and to the tea add the juice from 1/2 of a small lemon, and sweeten to taste with lots of honey. Now add a 1/2 teaspoon (5 cc.) of the 1:2 propolis tincture to the tea and give it a stir. Propolis tincture has a strong "medicinal" smell and flavor that may necessitate the use of more honey. To use the propolis topically, just dab a "Q" tip or cotton swab (puds to you Aussies) in the tincture and paint on. >What are the selling points for thes $25 bottles? There are two big expenses in the way I sell propolis, one is the fancy glass bottle, it looks nice like an old fashion apothecary bottle with a glass top that has a way to dispense drops of the tincture by turning the ground glass stopper. The ethanol I use, is from the local liquor store (off license) and is sold with a lot of tax. It's called "everclear." I pay about $10.00 for a pint. (16oz. 473 ml.) If you had a neighbor that made good moonshine, white lightening, corn squeezings, and the like, and would trade you a bottle of that for one of honey, you would lower your cost considerably. By the fact that I'm mixing up 250cc amounts for each dispensing bottle, I really have to buy two pints of everclear because I don't have a centrifuge to recover that part of the tincture within the undissolved bits left over. I loose about a fifth of the overall amount. That means $10 for the dispensing bottles, and $20 for the alcohol, and hopefully $50 in sales for the two bottles to cover harvesting, processing, and bottling. Plus the "X" factor one is invited to believe propolis offers. Now, in America, the American Medical Association (A.M.A.) has at least as many lobbyists in Washington to bribe the lawmakers as Monsanto, and they take their position as guardians of the prescribed drug very seriously. I will just say that to avoid the AMA calling their man at the FDA (Federal Drug Administration) to dispatch the black helicopters to our house and have their agents break down our door and shoot our pets and wreck our house, clap us in irons, and confiscate our bottles of propolis, because it may have been construed that I was prescribing medicine (now known as medications) without the proper credentials and that I may have suggested a better course for the common cold than say an antibiotic, that, believe it or not, is still prescribed by some licensed general practitioners for that common endemic illness; in short, I'm not telling you that propolis can cure any illness, I'm just relating my experience and certain details of Mr. Vosnjak's interesting book. Charles Kroeger Article 21630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbee! Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 02:04:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991019220446.19062.00000202@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21630 Wetness during winter, short flows. Laura Article 21631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wrongly accused bees Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:28:11 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7uj7jc$11g0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19991019204906.22858.00000114@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 940384684 34304 209.130.165.48 (20 Oct 1999 01:58:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 1999 01:58:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21631 It is a rare occasion that you will find a honeybee near a "pop" can. You can never say never...but I'll bet against the odds that those would be yellow jackets in those beverage cans. --Busybee (from MN) Richard Flanagan wrote in message <19991019204906.22858.00000114@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >I recently read in our local paper Charlotte Observer of a few people who were >stung inthe mouth and throat when the accidently swallowed a 'bee' that was >found in their soda can. Seems the local poison control has stated that a hand >full of people each year are treated for 'Bee stings" in their throat after >accidently swallowing a bee that was climbing in their open soda can on our >typical hot summer days. Are these really bees or yellow jackets??? I have seen >lots of yellow jackets swarming around open soada cans all summer long but >never a honey bee. Am I wrong in my observations?? Are honey bees getting a >bad rap?? are they falsely accused for a crime they have not committed??? > > Richard Flanagan > > > >I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 21632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:16:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 940385713 209.90.4.186 (Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:15:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:15:13 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21632 wrote in message > Most bumble bee enthusiasts I've spoken to insist that > these bees are totally harmless. Is this true?!! > Not totally harmless; but very unlikely to sting as compared to a honeybee. Even some/many honeybees are unlikely to sting. I was out working my bees today; my son does the heavy labor and wears the beesuit and I direct what needs to be done. We were removing apistan strips and had to take the hive apart. I was wearing a pair of pants and sitting about 10 feet from where the "action" was. They were all over him and some came out to see what I was doing. probably a dozen or so landed on various parts of my anatomy. Feet, back, shoulders, head .... None of them stung me. John > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 21633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail From: "party2go" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where to buy equipment? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:44:42 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ujaa1$c1o$1@news.laserlink.net> Reply-To: "party2go" NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust114.tnt25.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21633 I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a site on the net where used beekeeping equipment is sold? I am looking for bee suits for my two kids to get them interested in bees but don't want to put out the money for new ones. OK so I'm cheap. I also have a boy scout troop that is wanting me to help them earn the newly reinstated Apiary badge. I'm not sure what that entails but if it is going to the hives I'll need more suits. Is anyone using cough drops to control tracheal mites? An old beekeeper told me that the eucalyptus oil in the cough drop is what helps control the mites. He specifically mentioned the blue ones. Maybe it is the menthol that is in the drops? I think I am going to try it. I don't see what it would hurt. Does anyone have any thoughts on this. By the way this is my first year keeping bees am I am loving it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Article 21634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 03:02:51 GMT References: <19991014160621.28838.00000155@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991019230251.13200.00000179@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21634 Why did he give you three? These are used in an Emergency only, when the ambulance is coming to you. I wanted one for each vehicle or locale where I may need it -- That would include one for my car (always near at work or at home), one for my wife's car (whenever we go somewhere, we take her car), and one for my inlaw's house, which is in a farmland/outer suburban area where yellow jackets seem to be very common. My father-in-law stumbled on a new nest in the front yard a month ago. He was stung nine times. Article 21635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 03:06:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991019230618.13200.00000180@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21635 You are referring to a co-pay amount which is not indicative of the actual price. Right you are, as confirmed when i looked over the documentation. Article 21636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy equipment? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 03:22:31 GMT References: <7ujaa1$c1o$1@news.laserlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991019232231.13194.00000167@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21636 >boy scout troop that is wanting me to >help them earn the newly reinstated Apiary badge. I'm not sure what tha Tell me its true !!!!!!!!! are you sure ????????? have we beekeepers finally won a fight ??? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy equipment? Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 03:32:55 GMT References: <7ujaa1$c1o$1@news.laserlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991019233255.16232.00000261@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21637 From: "party2go" party2go@gateway.net >I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a site on the net where used >beekeeping equipment is sold? I am looking for bee suits for my two kids to >get them interested in bees but don't want to put out the money for new >ones. OK so I'm cheap. I also have a boy scout troop that is wanting me to >help them earn the newly reinstated Apiary badge. I'm not sure what that >entails but if it is going to the hives I'll need more suits. I haven't worn a bee suit in years, nor have any of my visitors who go with me to bee yards. I wear tan Dickies for pants, and usually a white t-shirt. I encourage newbies to wear a long sleeve white shirt or Dickie shirt. I usually have a couple in the truck, though I rarely wear them myself. If you are determined to wear a bee suit, and want something cheap, I'd get the thin white plastic disposable suits used for pesticide applications. A good farm store should have them, and they only cost a couple dollars each. The are so smooth and slippery, a bee couldn't hang on to insert stinger. But I sure wouldn't want one on a hot day! > >Is anyone using cough drops to control tracheal mites? An old beekeeper >told me that the eucalyptus oil in the cough drop is what helps control the >mites. He specifically mentioned the blue ones. Maybe it is the menthol >that is in the drops? I think I am going to try it. I don't see what it >would hurt. Does anyone have any thoughts on this. > Cough drops don't deliver enough menthol to have any significant effect. This is an old wives tale. The best remedy for tracheal mites is good breeding. I haven't treated for them for several years, though I might slap a veggie oil patty on them once a year, maybe. If the stock is good, breed it, if it stinks, cull it. You'll get rid of tracheal mites. Treating them just perpetuates a weakness that is quite easy to get rid of. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: mike.somers@zbee.com (Mike Somers) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone question? Message-ID: <940370620@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:06:06 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/164 77d44dea REPLY: 240:44/0 12a8f684 PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.13 EH00027 O> From: "John O'Brien" O> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping O> Subject: Drone question? O> Lines: 22 O> X-Priority: 3 O> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal O> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express O> 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft O> MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: O> O> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:01:12 -0500 O> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.213 O> X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net O> X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 939171561 209.90.4.213 (Tue, O> 05 Oct 1999 19:59:21 CDT) XRef: zbee.com O> sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8242 O> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:59:21 CDT O> Organization: SkyNET Corporation O> Path: O> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news O> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newsfeed.icl.net! O> news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4 O> feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!ip.att.n O> et!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 940397463 22438 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21638 O> I've been reading, with interest, elsewhere, about O> using drone control to control mite infestation. O> As opposed to using Apistan, which I would O> like to not use in the future. As soon as I have a O> grip on everything that the article states, I will O> give it a try. O> However, for right now, I have a question which I O> know somebody may be able to answer. I mentioned O> this at out last months beekeepers meeting but O> nobody knew what I was talking about. One person O> knew that the mites are geared toward the drone O> development but my question had to do with O> producing a "Drone Frame". O> The method involves removing the infested drone O> larvae and destroying them from what was termed a O> "drone frame"; then reinstalling the O> frame and letting more drones be started. This interrupts the mites O> development but the timing must be precise. O> So, how do we make a drone frame? O> John The easiest way is to put a shallow frame with worker foundation in the deep brood box. The bees will usually (but not invariably) buils an arc of drone comb below the bottom bar. When the majority of cells are sealed you can quite simply cut off the drone comb and replace the frame. The bees will repaet the performance and you can cull two or three generations of drones in a season. But be warned: it will not effect a permanent cure; it only slows down the build up of mites. We have been doing that in Surey, UK for several years as part of our management. Good luck Mike --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/164) Article 21639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: johnbkpr@aol.com (JOHNBKPR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Quick Help! Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 10:34:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991020063427.24855.00000005@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21639 This happened to me a few years back. Put an entrance reducer on to limit their atttack. There probably stealing any brood that you have left in the hive. We had to move my hive and it never recovered. It was probably not do to the yellow jackets but the mites as I had losted a lot of hives that year. Good luck John>There are yellow jackets flying in and out of >the hive at regular intervals! > >What gives? Article 21640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:52:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 169 Message-ID: <380DC92B.F9559342@mwci.net> References: <01bf10ba$0945e400$93b972ce@default> <7OgIOF5lcW=XWy5umacK120R1sjA@4ax.com> <0xQNOP2vajZTtsBK88zgO4zdQr0m@4ax.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21640 I have even heard of bees making propolis with road tar on hot days. It's hard to believe that patching tar would cure cancer... Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries Charlie Kroeger wrote: > Ellen Anglin ask: > > >OK- so if I make up propolis ticture, what do I tell people it is for? > > Ahh..tell them it's big medicine. > > There is a book called: "The Miracle of Propolis" by Mitza Vosnjak. He > published this in 1978. Mitza is a guy that became enthusiastic about > propolis after hanging out with beekeepers and a country doctor that > used propolis tincture on his patients, especially children with fever. > > Mitza was also a Yugoslav Ambassador to the GDR and is apparently known > as a poet and novelist. Judging from Mitza's writing style in "The > Miracle of Propolis" he tends to express himself along the style of > Victorian melodrama and his writing suffers from excessive tedium; but, > I'll give him a break, as maybe this is how Jugoslav sounds when > translated into English. > > However, he went on to include some interesting results from > "reasonably" scientific experiments. If you take everything in the book > as presented, there would be no reason to have any other medicines in > your house but propolis, if you were injured topically, or ill or > becoming ill, or had pimples. > > There are chapters on propolis healing ulcers, (this is believable now > that they know ulcers are caused by bacteria) and young girls clearing > up their facial blemishes, and healing infected dental wounds, and a > prophylaxis for the flu. Propolis is also represented as a natural > antibiotic, and a cure for cancer (question mark) and test results to > indicate many viruses vanquished. > > Although every publication about keeping bees will give a fearless > description of what propolis is, and how bees collect resins from the > trees and do their sacred mantra " hummmm" over it and other mysterious > incantations and only then is it transformed into propolis and gets > spread all over the inside of the hive. > > I'm not so sure I've ever read a satisfactory explanation of exactly > why propolis seems to be such a steady state in the universe, like > beeswax. In other words, to say that resins are collected and used by > the bees as propolis is a very weak answer to what exactly propolis is, > and if I was writing a book on bees, I wouldn't presume to know what it > is or how, precisely, it's produced. > > If there are those among us who feel they can post a factual account > regarding this substance and how it's done, I would enjoy reading it. > > If you have any dealings with propolis you will know that it's nothing > like the resin from trees, so the question is what do the bees do to > produce this stuff that is practically insoluble in naturally occurring > liquids, save alcohol, which in itself is not so natural in the > strengths required to tincture propolis. > > The bees literally cover everything in the hive with it. As soon as a > new wax cell is used to raise a bee for the first time, it gets a > coating of propolis for every subsequent egg laid in that cell. If the > combs are used for years, they are completely black with propolis. > Anyone that has melted down old brood comb knows that propolis > "capsules" are not easily changed by the heat required to melt the wax. > In fact the amount of propolis capsules produced compared to the wax > rendered, is not so good, unless you just have a lot of time to spend > for a little wax, and not such a good quality wax either. > > Old brood combs on clapped out frames make impressive fire starters if > you have a fireplace, a better thing to do with them if you're like me, > and only have a small number of hives. > > Getting back to Mr. Vosnjak's book, in a chapter he titles: "the > medicine of tomorrow" he talks about a meeting of doctors, > veterinarians, pharmacist, chemists, biologist and microbiologist and > they called it the: "Second International Symposium on Propolis, > Bratislava, 1976" and I quote: > > >The symposium on propolis consisted of sixty reports on its value in > > mending broken bones, speeding up cell growth, curing diseases of > > mucous membranes, skin, high blood pressure, and various other conditions. > > >The organizer of the symposium, Dr. Chizmarik from the University of Bratislava > >was able to report that science had been able to analyze more than half of the > >components of propolis. Only three and a half years earlier, at the first symposium > >less than a third of the components had been isolated. > > >A scientist from Halle in Germany had been trying to establish which of all the > >substances in propolis had the highest value, which was the most effective in the > > fight against microbes. Many times he thought he was on the brink of finding > >the answer. It would be of real value, since factories throughout the > >world would be able to use his discoveries to produce a medicine from > >the most useful substance. But it seemed that this would, afterall, not > >be achieved for some time: to date research has not been able to > >surmount the unexpected difficulties which arose almost at the end of > >the research programme. Perhaps there is not just one substance in > >propolis which is more valuable than all the others; perhaps propolis > >exist only as a whole, and can only be repoduced by one factory in the > >entire world, the beehive! > > MY EXPERIENCE: > > We use propolis tincture at our house. We believe and have experienced > evidence of it's abilities in calming an upset stomach when taken with a > mint tea. (recipe to follow) to lowering and removing a fever, and > inducing a relaxed feeling that promoted sleep. We take it in tea if we > feel we are catching a cold or flu. We use it as a topical dressing on > small wounds much like the medical experts use iodine. It has an effect > on skin problems from fungus (it does not cure the fungus, but stops the > itching) to fever blisters. Basically it does everything Echinacia does > without Echinacia's side effects and allergies associated with that > herbal remedy. We have never experienced any side effects from propolis > tincture. > > We take propolis internally as follows: > > To a mug of boiling water add an infusion of mint. It can be a mint tea > bag. We like celestial seasonings peppermint, also Taso "refresh" and > to the tea add the juice from 1/2 of a small lemon, and sweeten to taste > with lots of honey. Now add a 1/2 teaspoon (5 cc.) of the 1:2 propolis > tincture to the tea and give it a stir. Propolis tincture has a strong > "medicinal" smell and flavor that may necessitate the use of more honey. > > To use the propolis topically, just dab a "Q" tip or cotton swab (puds > to you Aussies) in the tincture and paint on. > > >What are the selling points for thes $25 bottles? > > There are two big expenses in the way I sell propolis, one is the fancy > glass bottle, it looks nice like an old fashion apothecary bottle with a > glass top that has a way to dispense drops of the tincture by turning > the ground glass stopper. > > The ethanol I use, is from the local liquor store (off license) and is > sold with a lot of tax. It's called "everclear." I pay about $10.00 for > a pint. (16oz. 473 ml.) > > If you had a neighbor that made good moonshine, white lightening, corn > squeezings, and the like, and would trade you a bottle of that for one > of honey, you would lower your cost considerably. By the fact that I'm > mixing up 250cc amounts for each dispensing bottle, I really have to > buy two pints of everclear because I don't have a centrifuge to recover > that part of the tincture within the undissolved bits left over. I > loose about a fifth of the overall amount. That means $10 for the > dispensing bottles, and $20 for the alcohol, and hopefully $50 in sales > for the two bottles to cover harvesting, processing, and bottling. Plus > the "X" factor one is invited to believe propolis offers. > > Now, in America, the American Medical Association (A.M.A.) has at least > as many lobbyists in Washington to bribe the lawmakers as Monsanto, and > they take their position as guardians of the prescribed drug very > seriously. I will just say that to avoid the AMA calling their man at > the FDA (Federal Drug Administration) to dispatch the black helicopters > to our house and have their agents break down our door and shoot our > pets and wreck our house, clap us in irons, and confiscate our bottles > of propolis, because it may have been construed that I was prescribing > medicine (now known as medications) without the proper credentials and > that I may have suggested a better course for the common cold than say > an antibiotic, that, believe it or not, is still prescribed by some > licensed general practitioners for that common endemic illness; in > short, I'm not telling you that propolis can cure any illness, I'm just > relating my experience and certain details of Mr. Vosnjak's interesting > book. > > Charles Kroeger Article 21641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!not-for-mail From: a.shaw@netcentral.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EU Suppliers Message-ID: <380f0238.1040067@newsgroup.netcentral.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:01:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.109.121 X-Trace: newreader.ukcore.bt.net 940442461 62.6.109.121 (Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:01:01 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:01:01 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21641 I should like to compile a directory of at least one major supplier of beekeeping equipment, by mail order, in each EU country. Can you please send me the name and address of any that you deal with or may know of. J'ai l'intention de dresser un repertoire d'adresses de fournisseurs de materiel apicole par correspondance qui contienne au moins un fournisseur principal par pays de l'UE. Je vous saurais gre de m'envoyer les coordonnes de tous ceux avec qui vous traitez ou dont vous avez connaissance. Ich mochte ein Verzeichnis fur Bienenzuchtausrustung durch Mail-Order verfassen, das zumindest einen Hauptlieferanten pro EU-Land umfasst. Wurden Sie mir bitte den Namen und die Adresse von jedem Versandhaus zuschicken, mit dem Sie Geschafte machen, bzw das Sie kennen/von dem Sie gehort haben. Querria confeccionar un registro de proveedores por correo de material de apicultura. Este registro debe contener al menos un proveedor de cada pais de la UE. Podria Vd. enviarme las senas de todos los proveedores con quienes Vd. trata o de quienes tiene conocimiento. -- Regards Alex Shaw a.shaw@netcentral.co.uk 32 Albert Street Longton Stoke on Trent Staffs ST3 5ED Phone: +44 (0)1782 341066 Article 21642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1E33AC28AA83B6DEA94995E7" Message-ID: <380E1D43.8484A9A4@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:51:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 141 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21642 --------------1E33AC28AA83B6DEA94995E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel, Hi Rachel. My name is Billy Smart and I am located in the Udall/Rock area in S. Central Kansas. As I am a newbee myself I am afraid I may not be that much help to you but I will lend any help that I can. I have been studying up on bees for about a year now and plan to start my first hives this Spring. I have to tell you that I was amazed when I saw your post on this newsgroup. I have posted several times to this group over the course of this past year looking for beekeeping contacts in our area but have had absolutely no luck whatsoever. I contacted the extension office in sedgwick county and got the name of a master gardener, Wayne Holt, who resides in Derby. The lady from the extension office said that he kept bees and was willing to work with beginners. The Cowley County office (where I live) also gave me a name of a commercial operator who resides in Ark City. Other than these two contacts, that was about all the help I got from the extension offices. I was beginning to think that beekeeping was almost dead in this state when my neibor gave me the name and number of a Butler county couple who keep bees, and also happen to live just 6 miles from me! I haven't contacted any of these folks yet myself but I plan on contacting the Butler county couple soon. I can send the info on to you if you wish, hopefully one of them will be close to you. I understand there is a lot of beekeepers in the KC area as well. In some literature you may run across something called the "Central Kansas Beekeeping Association" located in Belle Plaine. I drafted a letter to this association 6 months ago and still haven't gotten a response. I think it may be defunct as I can find no mention of it in the Belle Plaine phone book. The address is listed as a RR Box # and I know that Belle Plaine has converted to a street address system. So I think the info is out of date. At least it is good to know that somebody else in Kansas is interested in beginning beekeeping besides myself. I live in a rural area and have seen only one honey bee in my area over this season! I look forward to further correspondence and would be able to provide assistance as best I can. After all, I am just a beginner myself. Thanks, Billy Smart Rachel Workman wrote: > Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to start some bees next year after > doing my homework this winter. I'm in southcentral Kansas and would > appreciate any referrals one could make. > > Thanks! -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ --------------1E33AC28AA83B6DEA94995E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Rachel,

Hi Rachel. My name is Billy Smart and I am located in the Udall/Rock area in S. Central Kansas. As I am a newbee myself I am afraid I may not be that much help to you but I will lend any help that I can. I have been studying up on bees for about a year now and plan to start my first hives this Spring.

I have to tell you that I was amazed when I saw your post on this newsgroup. I have posted several times to this group over the course of this past year looking for beekeeping contacts in our area but have had absolutely no luck whatsoever. I contacted the extension office in sedgwick county and got the name of a master gardener, Wayne Holt, who resides in Derby. The lady from the extension office said that he kept bees and was willing to work with beginners. The Cowley County office (where I live) also gave me a name of a commercial operator who resides in Ark City. Other than these two contacts, that was about all the help I got from the extension offices. I was beginning to think that beekeeping was almost dead in this state when my neibor gave me the name and number of a Butler county couple who keep bees, and also happen to live just 6 miles from me! I haven't contacted any of these folks yet myself but I plan on contacting the Butler county couple soon. I can send the info on to you if you wish, hopefully one of them will be close to you. I understand there is a lot of beekeepers in the KC area as well.

In some literature you may run across something called the "Central Kansas Beekeeping Association" located in Belle Plaine. I drafted a letter to this association 6 months ago and still haven't gotten a response. I think it may be defunct as I can find no mention of it in the Belle Plaine phone book. The address is listed as a RR Box # and I know that Belle Plaine has converted to a street address system. So I think the info is out of date.

At least it is good to know that somebody else in Kansas is interested in beginning beekeeping besides myself. I live in a rural area and have seen only one honey bee in my area over this season! I look forward to further correspondence and would be able to provide assistance as best I can. After all, I am just a beginner myself.

Thanks,

Billy Smart
 
 
 
 

Rachel Workman wrote:

Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to start some bees next year after
doing my homework this winter.  I'm in southcentral Kansas and would
appreciate any referrals one could make.

Thanks!

  
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  --------------1E33AC28AA83B6DEA94995E7-- Article 21643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruth Thomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:37:36 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: da136d147.dialup.callnetuk.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: da136d147.dialup.callnetuk.com Message-ID: <380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com> X-Trace: 20 Oct 1999 23:38:01 GMT, da136d147.dialup.callnetuk.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peernews!eeyore.callnetuk.com!da136d147.dialup.callnetuk.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21643 The sting is more dangerous to the stinger than to the stung. The stung receive a harpoon-like sting which can be removed with eyebrow tweezers. The stinger dies as a side-effect of injecting it. rezzub@my-deja.com wrote in message <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Has anyone ever died from a bumble bee sting? Sorry to pose such a >morbid question, but I am trying to find out if bumble bees pose any >threat to humans. Most bumble bee enthusiasts I've spoken to insist that >these bees are totally harmless. Is this true?!! > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 21644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Quiz/crossword needed! Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:57:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7ula7s$a13$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ui450$k2b$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-117.vanadium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 940452924 10275 62.136.11.117 (20 Oct 1999 20:55:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 1999 20:55:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21644 Have a look at 'Do you know?' in Bee Culture magazine. I.Lawson wrote in message news:7ui450$k2b$1@gxsn.com... > Help! Please can anyone supply a quiz or crossword related to Bees and > BeeKeeping, to liven up our end of year Social this Friday? > Last year we had a 'photos and captions' competition, but have failed to > find something for this year......nothing like leaving it to the last > minute! > > Yours hopefully, > > Alison and Ian Lawson > > Article 21645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis dorsata Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:21:14 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7uk90i$396@news1.snet.net> References: <19991019162815.03612.00000008@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh1-port20.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21645 Eva Crane's "Archaeology of Beekeeping" talks about Apis Dorsata with particular emphasis on use by low tech cultures. She also includes information on other bee species less well known in modern commercial beekeeping, including Apis Cenera and the Meliponi (sp? the stingless bees). It focuses more on historical use than modern (as you would guess by the title) but judging by your previous posts that may be a bonus for you. It is also not dry as its scholarly topic might lead you to suspect. She also has a new book out that I have not read yet, and it may provide even more information. Jajwuth wrote in message <19991019162815.03612.00000008@ngol02.aol.com>... >Does anybody have a reference book that would give some detail on this subject. >Or is there a field guide to others. >Thanks >Al Article 21646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail From: "party2go" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie looking for local group Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:16:40 -0500 Lines: 221 Message-ID: <7ulig1$k6i$1@news.laserlink.net> References: <380E1D43.8484A9A4@nospam.boeing.com> Reply-To: "party2go" NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust66.tnt17.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF1B27.41455300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21646 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF1B27.41455300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Billy & Rachel, You should try contacting Mid-Con Agrimarketing in Olathe Kansas. Joli = Weiner (913) 768-8967. I believe she is the Kansas Honey producers = President past President or board member I'm not sure but she could = probably help you find and organization. They mainly sell equipment so = they should know. Last spring they hosted a wonderful all day = beekeeping work shop. Swarm demonstration, royal jelly production, = Disease & pest updates as well as things for the kids. They won't be = hosting it this next spring but they will be able to tell you the = gentleman that is. I believe his place is out towards the Lawerence = area. Well worth the trip. I'm a newbie myself. This was really = helpful for me I would highly recommend it. Cost was minimal. You can = get a lot of good info right here in this newgroup too. Dan Williams party2go@gateway.com=20 Billy Y. Smart II wrote in message = news:380E1D43.8484A9A4@nospam.boeing.com... Rachel,=20 Hi Rachel. My name is Billy Smart and I am located in the Udall/Rock = area in S. Central Kansas. As I am a newbee myself I am afraid I may not = be that much help to you but I will lend any help that I can. I have = been studying up on bees for about a year now and plan to start my first = hives this Spring.=20 I have to tell you that I was amazed when I saw your post on this = newsgroup. I have posted several times to this group over the course of = this past year looking for beekeeping contacts in our area but have had = absolutely no luck whatsoever. I contacted the extension office in = sedgwick county and got the name of a master gardener, Wayne Holt, who = resides in Derby. The lady from the extension office said that he kept = bees and was willing to work with beginners. The Cowley County office = (where I live) also gave me a name of a commercial operator who resides = in Ark City. Other than these two contacts, that was about all the help = I got from the extension offices. I was beginning to think that = beekeeping was almost dead in this state when my neibor gave me the name = and number of a Butler county couple who keep bees, and also happen to = live just 6 miles from me! I haven't contacted any of these folks yet = myself but I plan on contacting the Butler county couple soon. I can = send the info on to you if you wish, hopefully one of them will be close = to you. I understand there is a lot of beekeepers in the KC area as = well.=20 In some literature you may run across something called the "Central = Kansas Beekeeping Association" located in Belle Plaine. I drafted a = letter to this association 6 months ago and still haven't gotten a = response. I think it may be defunct as I can find no mention of it in = the Belle Plaine phone book. The address is listed as a RR Box # and I = know that Belle Plaine has converted to a street address system. So I = think the info is out of date.=20 At least it is good to know that somebody else in Kansas is interested = in beginning beekeeping besides myself. I live in a rural area and have = seen only one honey bee in my area over this season! I look forward to = further correspondence and would be able to provide assistance as best I = can. After all, I am just a beginner myself.=20 Thanks,=20 Billy Smart=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Rachel Workman wrote:=20 Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to start some bees next year = after=20 doing my homework this winter. I'm in southcentral Kansas and would = appreciate any referrals one could make.=20 Thanks! =20 --=20 Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ =20 /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF1B27.41455300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Billy & Rachel,
 
You should try contacting Mid-Con = Agrimarketing in=20 Olathe Kansas.  Joli Weiner (913) 768-8967.  I believe she is = the=20 Kansas Honey producers President past President or board member I'm not = sure but=20 she could probably help you find and organization.  They mainly = sell=20 equipment so they should know.  Last spring they hosted a wonderful = all day=20 beekeeping work shop.  Swarm demonstration, royal jelly production, = Disease=20 & pest updates as well as things for the kids.  They won't be = hosting=20 it this next spring but they will be able to tell you the gentleman = that=20 is.  I believe his place is out towards the Lawerence = area.  Well=20 worth the trip.  I'm a newbie myself.  This was really helpful = for me=20 I would highly recommend it. Cost was minimal. You can get a lot of good = info=20 right here in this newgroup too.
 
Dan Williams
party2go@gateway.com = ;
Billy Y. Smart II <Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boei= ng.com>=20 wrote in message news:380E1D43.8484A9A4@= nospam.boeing.com...

Rachel,=20

Hi Rachel. My name is Billy Smart and I am located in the = Udall/Rock area=20 in S. Central Kansas. As I am a newbee myself I am afraid I may not be = that=20 much help to you but I will lend any help that I can. I have been = studying up=20 on bees for about a year now and plan to start my first hives this = Spring.=20

I have to tell you that I was amazed when I saw your post on this=20 newsgroup. I have posted several times to this group over the course = of this=20 past year looking for beekeeping contacts in our area but have had = absolutely=20 no luck whatsoever. I contacted the extension office in sedgwick = county and=20 got the name of a master gardener, Wayne Holt, who resides in Derby. = The lady=20 from the extension office said that he kept bees and was willing to = work with=20 beginners. The Cowley County office (where I live) also gave me a name = of a=20 commercial operator who resides in Ark City. Other than these two = contacts,=20 that was about all the help I got from the extension offices. I was = beginning=20 to think that beekeeping was almost dead in this state when my neibor = gave me=20 the name and number of a Butler county couple who keep bees, and also = happen=20 to live just 6 miles from me! I haven't contacted any of these folks = yet=20 myself but I plan on contacting the Butler county couple soon. I can = send the=20 info on to you if you wish, hopefully one of them will be close to = you. I=20 understand there is a lot of beekeepers in the KC area as well.=20

In some literature you may run across something called the "Central = Kansas=20 Beekeeping Association" located in Belle Plaine. I drafted a letter to = this=20 association 6 months ago and still haven't gotten a response. I think = it may=20 be defunct as I can find no mention of it in the Belle Plaine phone = book. The=20 address is listed as a RR Box # and I know that Belle Plaine has = converted to=20 a street address system. So I think the info is out of date.=20

At least it is good to know that somebody else in Kansas is = interested in=20 beginning beekeeping besides myself. I live in a rural area and have = seen only=20 one honey bee in my area over this season! I look forward to further=20 correspondence and would be able to provide assistance as best I can. = After=20 all, I am just a beginner myself.=20

Thanks,=20

Billy Smart
 
 
 
 =20

Rachel Workman wrote:=20

Well... not even a newbie yet, wanting to = start some=20 bees next year after
doing my homework this winter.  I'm in = southcentral Kansas and would
appreciate any referrals one could = make.=20

Thanks!

  
-- 
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coincidental.    */    
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 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF1B27.41455300-- Article 21647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:27:55 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7ulj51$8cl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.204.239 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 940462049 8597 12.72.204.239 (20 Oct 1999 23:27:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Oct 1999 23:27:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21647 Huh? This would be a poor survival strategy for a solitary insect if it were the case, but I don't know of a bombus that loses it's stinger and thus dies. Is there such a species? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Ruth Thomas wrote in message news:380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com... > The sting is more dangerous to the stinger than to the stung. The stung > receive a harpoon-like sting which can be removed with eyebrow tweezers. > The stinger dies as a side-effect of injecting it. > rezzub@my-deja.com wrote in message <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >Has anyone ever died from a bumble bee sting? Sorry to pose such a > >morbid question, but I am trying to find out if bumble bees pose any > >threat to humans. Most bumble bee enthusiasts I've spoken to insist that > >these bees are totally harmless. Is this true?!! > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > Article 21648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax prices Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 23:36:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991020193659.24527.00000126@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21648 I have a customer who will take all of my wax. How much per pound is the going rate for blocks of cappings wax? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 21649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 23:38:05 GMT References: <380DC92B.F9559342@mwci.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991020193805.24527.00000128@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21649 >I have even heard of bees making propolis with road tar on hot days. It's >hard to >believe that patching tar would cure cancer... > Plenty of medicines based on coal tar. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 21650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 15:31:20 GMT References: <7ucrjj$gcn$823@nslave1.tin.it> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991020113120.28034.00000070@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21650 You are really getting to be a pain in the ass posting this all the time!!!!!! Article 21651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ujaa1$c1o$1@news.laserlink.net> Subject: Re: Where to buy equipment? Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:23:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 940436597 204.186.180.106 (Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:23:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:23:17 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21651 We do have used suits from time to time. If you send me your name, when I get some I will contact you. You can also find used equipment on our website, there is not much posted right now, but keep checking. Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Article 21652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to buy equipment? Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:27:29 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <380DED71.3C2E1D27@lambton.on.ca> References: <7ujaa1$c1o$1@news.laserlink.net> <19991019233255.16232.00000261@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21652 Dave Green wrote: > From: "party2go" party2go@gateway.net > > > If you are determined to wear a bee suit, and want something cheap, I'd get > the thin white plastic disposable suits used for pesticide applications. A good > farm store should have them, and they only cost a couple dollars each. The are > so smooth and slippery, a bee couldn't hang on to insert stinger. But I sure > wouldn't want one on a hot day! > > Indeed! I am a first year beekeeper, and used the disposable suit. They are terribly hot! The don't breathe at all, so even on a semi mild day, it doesn't take long before one is covered in sweat. Mark Veltman Article 21653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives in buildings Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Oct 1999 16:46:17 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991020124617.05540.00000091@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21653 I was reading my journal on beekeeping and it states that in the Himalayas the people keep hives in house walls and rivetements. It even shows a picture of the hive. The hive is a log hive (top bar hive design). I was wondering why they keep it in the house wall. I can only speculate that it may be to keep the hive out of the weather or away from predeators. Aren't observation hives kept in walls. Also I heard of a guy who moved his hives indoors out of sight of the bylaw enforcement guys. Are there any special considerations or advantages in operating in this manner? Al Article 21654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax prices Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 21 Oct 1999 02:32:15 GMT References: <19991020193659.24527.00000126@ng-fl1.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <19991020223215.26299.00000246@ng-ci1.news.cs.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21654 >How much per pound is the going rate for blocks of cappings wax? > We generally get $2.75 a lb. and thats a pretty fair price. Just make sure your wax is clean. you can always ask for more but you really don't want to price yourself out of a market. This guy may come back year after year. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 21655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com> <7ulj51$8cl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:51:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 940474199 209.90.4.160 (Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:49:59 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:49:59 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21655 George Styer wrote in message > Huh? This would be a poor survival strategy for a solitary insect if it were > the case, but I don't know of a bombus that loses it's stinger and thus > dies. Is there such a species? > True; the BumbleBee does NOT lose the stinger after a sting as don't wasps. Honey Bee may be one of few which do lose it. If I could get a regular supply of Bumbles I'd probably like to use them instead of honeybees, but they look soooo scary and I guess I wouldn't get any honey either. So, guess I'll stick with the honeybees. John > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > Ruth Thomas wrote in message > news:380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com... > > The sting is more dangerous to the stinger than to the stung. The stung > > receive a harpoon-like sting which can be removed with eyebrow tweezers. > > The stinger dies as a side-effect of injecting it. > > rezzub@my-deja.com wrote in message <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > >Has anyone ever died from a bumble bee sting? Sorry to pose such a > > >morbid question, but I am trying to find out if bumble bees pose any > > >threat to humans. Most bumble bee enthusiasts I've spoken to insist that > > >these bees are totally harmless. Is this true?!! > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > >Before you buy. > > > > > > Article 21656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax prices Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:46:11 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7um420$1a36$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19991020193659.24527.00000126@ng-fl1.aol.com> <19991020223215.26299.00000246@ng-ci1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-58.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 940479360 43110 209.130.165.58 (21 Oct 1999 04:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Oct 1999 04:16:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21656 $2.75 seems a fair price. Open market only pays in the $1.50 range but you need to make a little profit if you want to stay in business. I have to tell you that I saw a 1lb. block of beeswax selling for $12.99 in a retail craft supply store! YIKES! Consumers need to learn to cut out the middleman for the best deals (and better quality), IMO! --Busybee Robert Williamson wrote in message <19991020223215.26299.00000246@ng-ci1.news.cs.com>... >>How much per pound is the going rate for blocks of cappings wax? >> > >We generally get $2.75 a lb. and thats a pretty fair price. Just make sure your >wax is clean. you can always ask for more but you really don't want to price >yourself out of a market. >This guy may come back year after year. >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 21657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:31:57 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <380E973D.4EA9@midwest.net> References: <380DC92B.F9559342@mwci.net> <19991020193805.24527.00000128@ng-fl1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21657 BeeCrofter wrote: > > >I have even heard of bees making propolis with road tar on hot days. It's > >hard to > >believe that patching tar would cure cancer... > > > > Plenty of medicines based on coal tar. > > Tom Don't know the relationship of coal tar to coal oil but I've used plenty of coal oil to treat plenty of wounds - some were pretty serious. My dad wasn't one to run to the doctor, especially when the injury was not his. AL Article 21658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nitrouzx@aol.com (NiTRouZx) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Log keeping Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Oct 1999 05:31:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991021013156.26291.00000346@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21658 Is it smarter to keep records and if so what should i put in the records. Please email all responses to: nitrouzx@aol.com with a subject of: BeeKeeping Thank you. Article 21659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: francis.capener@zbee.com (Francis Capener) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: World Class Honey Show in London this November 1999 Message-ID: <940499592@zbee.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:53:12 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 940500125 22438 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21659 Hello to all Beekeepers world wide, Please come to The National Honey Show this November in England - With International classes. - A World Class Honey Show - Lecture programme - Traders Held in London Kensington On the 11th, 12th & 13th November 1999. Meet other Beekeepers from round the world. Much more than a honey show. Need more information http://www.honeyshow.co.uk Or email: nathon@zbee.com Article 21660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping & development-cover picture Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:31:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7un125$tr2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991018140629.02382.00000093@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 To: allend@internode.net X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 21 12:31:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21660 > In the sept/99 issue of the above journal there is a picture of a Kurumba honey hunter holding a huge crescent shaped comb. It puzzles me how this magnificent comb shape would come from a wild hive. I was impresssed by the picture too. I would imagine that the comb comes from dorsata which build a single large comb, usually in a tree. It is discussed in the same issue on page 4. There is another picture of dorsata comb at http://www.internode.net/honeybee/fairview/Philippi.htm -- Allen Dick ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee types-wax production Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Oct 1999 13:28:12 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991021092812.27772.00000001@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21661 Are there bee types that produce more wax by way of stronger combs, I guess? Seem to me that they would be ideal for top bar hives since there is no foundation used. Al Article 21662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: book -honey hunter/gatherer Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Oct 1999 14:07:52 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991021100752.04869.00000005@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21662 I remember seeing a book at the bookstore years ago. It was a large book and showed pictures of honey gatherers scaling cliffs to harvest honey from wild hives. Does anybody recall the book title or author? Thanks Al Article 21663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The National Honey Show Message-ID: <940487598@zbee.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:33:18 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 940487885 22438 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21663 The National Honey Show Web Site URL: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk/ --- STEVEN TURNER Beenet UK Host. http://www.kentbee.com/ Email: st@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress, Wildcat 5, Mailtraq......What else! Article 21664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax prices Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:46:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <380F2733.676ED98C@mwci.net> References: <19991020193659.24527.00000126@ng-fl1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21664 We sell all of ours for $5.00 a pound. I figure I need that after the time I spend processing it and my customers are willing to pay that. I think the aforementioned wholesale prices (1.25/lb) are ridiculously low. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries BeeCrofter wrote: > I have a customer who will take all of my wax. > How much per pound is the going rate for blocks of cappings wax? > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 21665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wrongly accused bees Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:40:50 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7umlit$7cq$1@gxsn.com> References: <19991019204906.22858.00000114@ng-xa1.aol.com> <7uj7jc$11g0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.236.35 X-Trace: 940497309 1NNUCNF1GEC23C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21665 busybee wrote in message <7uj7jc$11g0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >It is a rare occasion that you will find a honeybee near a "pop" can. You >can never say never...but I'll bet against the odds that those would be >yellow jackets in those beverage cans. > Well, well I used to hear of an urban beekeeper of who believed he regularly had an out of season flow from the disposed of cola cans at the Tower of London best wishes to ng Chris UK Article 21666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cfw.com!paxfeed.eni.net!DAIPUB.DataAssociatesInc..com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.64.45.236 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: <67821AB23987D311ADB100A0241979E53BD50B@news.ykm.com> From: sbsyze@hetronet.com Subject: Rudolph The Rednose Hooters Here Lines: 4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21666 sci.agriculture.fruit:3168 THis IS it: The site where they talk about when you are 50 years old. http://huizen.dds.nl/~jansen20 Article 21667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cfw.com!paxfeed.eni.net!DAIPUB.DataAssociatesInc..com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.64.45.236 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:51:55 -0700 Message-ID: <67821AB23987D311ADB100A0241979E53DC659@news.ykm.com> From: ubczpi@YoDanet.com Subject: Sharon Stone goes SPREADWIDE Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21667 sci.agriculture.fruit:3169 Answers all your questions (if you know what i mean) http://www.sports.tmfweb.nl/ Article 21668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991021100752.04869.00000005@ngol08.aol.com> Subject: Re: book -honey hunter/gatherer Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:24:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 940537451 204.186.180.228 (Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:24:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:24:11 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21668 >I remember seeing a book at the bookstore years ago. It was a large book and >showed pictures of honey gatherers scaling cliffs to harvest honey from wild >hives. >Does anybody recall the book title or author? >Thanks >Al Hi Al, The book title is - Honey Hunters of Nepal - By: Eric Valli and Diane Summers Published in 1988 by Harry N. Abrams, Inc., New York Printed in France Royal www.draperbee.com Article 21669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: EU Suppliers Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:25:21 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7uo3re$dnp7@news.vtx.ch> References: <380f0238.1040067@newsgroup.netcentral.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p31.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21669 http://www.bienen-meier.ch/ -- Best regards... visit our website => www.broennimann.com mailto => info@broennimann.com a écrit dans le message : 380f0238.1040067@newsgroup.netcentral.co.uk... > I should like to compile a directory of at least one major supplier > of beekeeping equipment, by mail order, in each EU country. Can > you please send me the name and address of any that you deal with or > may know of. > > J'ai l'intention de dresser un repertoire d'adresses de fournisseurs > de materiel apicole par correspondance qui contienne au moins un > fournisseur principal par pays de l'UE. Je vous saurais gre de > m'envoyer les coordonnes de tous ceux avec qui vous traitez ou dont > vous avez connaissance. > > Ich mochte ein Verzeichnis fur Bienenzuchtausrustung durch Mail-Order > verfassen, das zumindest einen Hauptlieferanten pro EU-Land umfasst. > Wurden Sie mir bitte den Namen und die Adresse von jedem Versandhaus > zuschicken, mit dem Sie Geschafte machen, bzw das Sie kennen/von dem > Sie gehort haben. > > Querria confeccionar un registro de proveedores por correo de material > de apicultura. Este registro debe contener al menos un proveedor de > cada pais de la UE. Podria Vd. enviarme las senas de todos los > proveedores con quienes Vd. trata o de quienes tiene conocimiento. > -- > Regards Alex Shaw > > a.shaw@netcentral.co.uk > > 32 Albert Street > Longton > Stoke on Trent > Staffs ST3 5ED > > Phone: +44 (0)1782 341066 > Article 21670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <380FB9AA.FD36C245@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:11:06 -0400 From: "L.E.G." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: medication Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn24.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 940554329 10764 206.246.124.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21670 Greetings Group!!!! It's that time of the year to medicate for Foulbrood and Nosema, I don't want to sound like an old hand at this beacuse I am not , just started this year. That's why I am asking these questions ... Anyway I have read alot of posts to this group about medication. Some people choose to do it , so people choose not to do it . I choose to do it . So here is the question--Is it ok to medicate for foulbrood and nosema at the same time, or should there be a period of time between the two meds???? Thanks in advance L.E.G. 50 miles south of D.C. 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Calgary, Alberta T2X 2X7 Bus: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 E-mail: info@westcan.ab.ca Internet: http://www.westcan.ab.ca Article 21672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: book -honey hunter/gatherer Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Oct 1999 03:23:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991021232302.04871.00000135@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21672 In article , "Royal Draper" writes: >Hi Al, > >The book title is - Honey Hunters of Nepal - >By: Eric Valli and Diane Summers >Published in 1988 by Harry N. Abrams, Inc., New York >Printed in France > >Royal > >www.draperbee.com > Thank you for replying Al Article 21673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medication Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:23:45 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38105751.11B72129@riverace.com> References: <380FB9AA.FD36C245@crosslink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wG7ciDRGf+WkHNJMwvEX2k3jZp2xVGGxWlHeW26O1+A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 1999 12:23:47 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21673 I am also a first year beekeeper. The directions I got from the place I bought bees from said to do the Terramycin (foulbrood) first, then the Fumidil-B (nosema) after. I suspect this is because if the Fumidil-B syrup is on at the same time as the Terramycin, the bees will prefer the syrup and not touch the Terramycin mix. This is, however, somewhat of a guess. -Steve "L.E.G." wrote: > > Greetings Group!!!! > It's that time of the year to medicate for Foulbrood and Nosema, I don't > want to sound like an old hand at this beacuse I am not , just started > this year. That's why I am asking these questions ... Anyway I have read > alot of posts to this group about medication. Some people choose to do > it , so people choose not to do it . I choose to do it . So here is the > question--Is it ok to medicate for foulbrood and nosema at the same > time, or should there be a period of time between the two meds???? > > Thanks in advance > > L.E.G. > 50 miles south of D.C. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! Article 21674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:33:12 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 47 Message-ID: <000101bf1c89$9aa587e0$02000003@allend> References: <38060DF7.916@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38060DF7.916@midwest.net> X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6wE/mduk7FkPrDqkYYUAitr?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21674 > james ward wrote: > > > > I applied Apistan strips to my hive several weeks ago. They were placed > > in the main part of the hive, below a super with a bee escape (one-way > > door so bees would leave super but can't retrun). Hence no bee should have > > been able to get near the strips and return to the super. There was one > > frame in the supper that was filled with honey. Is this honey safe to > > eat? Sure it's safe. If it isn't, it has nothing to do with the Apistan. I sometimes wonder how safe it is to eat honey from novice beekeepers who hobby around with bees. Don't misunderstand me, I know many hobbyists are as knowledgeable and careful -- and sometimes more so -- compared to those who make their living from bees, but I also know there is a significant group of uninformed or misinformed backyard beekeepers who experiment with using odd things in their hives and build or paint their hives with unsafe materials. (Of course that number would not include any of those who read this group) . FWIW, the Apistan (r) instructions vary from country to country. Seems to me that some of the European instructions do not forbid using Apistan (r) when supers are on. Tau-fluvalinate, the active ingredient, is attracted primarily to oily substances and not particularly soluable in water or honey. Honey contamination from this chemical is not very common, compared to the contamination of beeswax, which is becoming pretty universal. Anyhow, there is *no* chance that any Apistan (r) got into the super in your case unless you handled the Apistan (r) and then the honeycomb with the same hands. Even then the minute amount of transfer should not be a matter for concern. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. 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Article 21675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ojibwe-Odawa Legend Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Oct 1999 13:28:15 GMT References: <7uev7n$f8r$3@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991022092815.04869.00000191@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21675 Greg writes: >If your talking Native Americans, there weren't any bees >here until the settlers brought them over. > Bees were here just after 1500, that would be enough time for observation and establishing the legend. Al Article 21676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Apistan Strips - Newbie Question Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:56:50 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 60 Message-ID: <000201bf1c8c$e8575560$02000003@allend> References: <3805F045.2EBDA7B5@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3805F045.2EBDA7B5@riverace.com> X-DejaID: _9S5sGRHcNJLYIwaKI45CKQ= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21676 > As you've heard from this group before (and will again, I'm sure) the > lable is the law. Interestingly, the label, and thus the law, varies quite a bit from country to country. In Canada, the label says the treatment period is 42 days and to take the strips out after the treatment period before placing supers on, but does not say 'immediately' after the treatment period. > The label I have with my Apistan says to leave the strips in 42 to 56 > days. The label I have with my Apistan says to leave the strips in 42 to 56 > days. That's at least 2 brood cycles. Removing them early reduces the > effectiveness of the treatment. Agreed. > Do not leave them in all winter - that helps to get the mites resistant > to the treatment, and then all beekeepers suffer. I think this is unproven, particularly in Canada where wise beekeepers typically rotate Apistan (r) with formic acid treatment. FWIW, I think the biggest cause of the resistance to Apistan (r) that now threatens North American beekeepers is US governments' failure to certify alternate treatments for varroa in time to ensure that a proper IPM system with rotation of dissimilar treatments could legally be used. This failure to certify alternates was in *full knowledge* that tau-fluvalinate would have a fairly short useful product life without alternate treatments. Formic acid has proven to be an inexpensive, safe, simple and effective tool in both Europe and Canada for many years now, and yet the US forbids its use. And -- to add insult to injury -- beekeepers tend to be blamed by the authorities for the decline in usefulness of Apistan (r). I recently spoke with a well know Canadian extension/research individual who privately recommends leaving Apistan (r) in over winter *if* it is too late to get it out without disruption, for the simple reason that the bees withdraw from contact with the fluvalinate when the weather gets cold and do not get into contact again until spring, and that formic treatments will deal with any mites that briefly show resistance to Apistan (r). > I'd wait the whole 42 days, then pick the warmest day in your weather > forecast, pop open the hive and remove the strips as quickly as you can > if it's cool out. If you have only a few hives and they are accessible without too much problem, this is the wisest way to go. > > P.S. I am located in Alberta, Canada. allen (also in Alberta) ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. 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Article 21677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wrongly accused bees Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:17:55 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7uqa4d$8j4$1@gxsn.com> References: <19991019204906.22858.00000114@ng-xa1.aol.com> <7uj7jc$11g0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.237.39 X-Trace: 940616653 1NNUCNF1GED27C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21677 busybee wrote in message <7uj7jc$11g0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >It is a rare occasion that you will find a honeybee near a "pop" can. You >can never say never...but I'll bet against the odds that those would be >yellow jackets in those beverage cans. > Well, well I used to hear of an urban beekeeper of who believed he regularly had an out of season flow from the disposed of cola cans at the Tower of London best wishes to ng Chris UK busybee wrote in message <7uj7jc$11g0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >It is a rare occasion that you will find a honeybee near a "pop" can. You >can never say never...but I'll bet against the odds that those would be >yellow jackets in those beverage cans. > >--Busybee (from MN) > >Richard Flanagan wrote in message ><19991019204906.22858.00000114@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >>I recently read in our local paper Charlotte Observer of a few people who >were >>stung inthe mouth and throat when the accidently swallowed a 'bee' that was >>found in their soda can. Seems the local poison control has stated that a >hand >>full of people each year are treated for 'Bee stings" in their throat after >>accidently swallowing a bee that was climbing in their open soda can on our >>typical hot summer days. Are these really bees or yellow jackets??? I have >seen >>lots of yellow jackets swarming around open soada cans all summer long but >>never a honey bee. Am I wrong in my observations?? Are honey bees getting >a >>bad rap?? are they falsely accused for a crime they have not committed??? >> >> Richard >Flanagan >> >> >> >>I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John >4 > > Article 21678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: book -honey hunter/gatherer Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:30:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7uqarr$t8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19991021100752.04869.00000005@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-59.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 940617403 29967 62.136.27.59 (22 Oct 1999 18:36:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 1999 18:36:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21678 Hi Al, I don't know which book you saw but Eva Crane's Archaeology of Beekeeping has illustrations of cave paintings with honey hunters and may also have the same illustration on the dust cover. She has a new book which has just come out called " The World History of Bee Keeping and Honey Hunting" By Dr. Eva Crane ( Duckworth). This book is very expensive but you might be able to get a copy from the library. -- Harry, Scottish Bee Issues:- http://www.luichartwoollens.freeserve.co.uk Article 21679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: book -honey hunter/gatherer Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Oct 1999 22:17:52 GMT References: <7uqarr$t8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991022181752.06579.00000051@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21679 Harry Goudie writes: >Hi Al, > >I don't know which book you saw but Eva Crane's Archaeology of Beekeeping >has illustrations of cave paintings with honey hunters and may also have the >same illustration on the dust cover. She has a new book which has just come >out called " The World History of Bee Keeping and Honey Hunting" By >Dr. Eva Crane ( Duckworth). This book is very expensive but you might >be able to get a copy from the library. > > >-- >Harry, > >Scottish Bee Issues:- http://www.luichartwoollens.freeserve.co.uk > Thanks for the references I found a library that has the first book and the second book looks good too. The second book is very new I hope the library gets it. Presently I have Dr. Crane's "Honey A Comprehensive Survey" from the library. I like it. Yeah I know everybody, I am cheap, I use the library. Al Article 21680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: book -honey hunter/gatherer Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:06:31 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ur950$3vj$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7uqarr$t8f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <19991022181752.06579.00000051@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.65 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 940648416 4083 12.72.51.65 (23 Oct 1999 03:13:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Oct 1999 03:13:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21680 Well, feel fortunate it's not your public library system that is "cheap". The way it works down here is we squeeze the schools, under-fund the library system and spend a ton of money to study why we are a country full of illiterates. Oh yeah, we also spend a ton of money to print everything in a lot of languages so that we all have an equal opportunity to not be able to read. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Jajwuth wrote in message news:19991022181752.06579.00000051@ngol04.aol.com... > Yeah I know everybody, I am cheap, I use the library. > Al > Article 21683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ui450$k2b$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: Bees Quiz/crossword needed! Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:38:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.189 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 940682310 204.186.180.189 (Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:38:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:38:30 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21683 Check out the following link, you will find a crossword, wordsearch & maze. http://www.draperbee.com/games/games.htm Royal W. Draper I.Lawson wrote in message <7ui450$k2b$1@gxsn.com>... >Help! Please can anyone supply a quiz or crossword related to Bees and >BeeKeeping, to liven up our end of year Social this Friday? >Last year we had a 'photos and captions' competition, but have failed to >find something for this year......nothing like leaving it to the last >minute! > >Yours hopefully, > >Alison and Ian Lawson > > Article 21684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 05:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <29921-3811AFB9-4@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19991023041837.09827.00000099@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxXbwO0hTbNC2LDX0wt00wEzs7ocCFBNXo2UOVssD0yx4C7u9O9CnZfFC Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21684 Crimp wire foundation is wax foundation with vertical wires which adds strength to "plain" foundation. This helps to keep the foundation straight in the frame and helps prevent the foundation from breaking when honey is being extracted. Duragilt is a brand of plastic foundation rather than wax, although there is a small amount of wax applied to encourage bees to build comb. There is also another type of plastic brand like Pierco which has the comb form on the plastic sheet itself rather than just in the wax. One noted problem with duragilt is that if wax gets rubbed off the plastic, bees will not build comb on that part of the foundation. Foundation is placed in a frame so bees can build comb for brood, storage of nectar and pollen. It is customarily suggested to many with questions of this type to refer to one of the basic bee texts if you are planning to raise bees. I started with "Honey Bees & Beekeeping" by Keith Delaplane. However there are others that would do just as well too. Article 21685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nitrouzx@aol.com (NiTRouZx) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundation Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Oct 1999 08:18:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991023041837.09827.00000099@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21685 What is Crimp Wire, Duargilt and plain? Do you need to put in a peice of already made comb into the frame so the bees work off that? Article 21686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Control Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Oct 1999 19:29:36 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991023152936.05739.00000379@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21686 >What I found to be >difficult was that you are trying to kill an insect that lives on an >insect.. sorry dude but the varroa is more kin to a spider than a insect either way she's a bitch Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Varroa Control Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:42:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 940714929 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:42:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:42:09 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21687 Gordon Hayes > It sounds to me, from what I've read in this group, that Varroa control is > most effective if approached from a multi-faceted attack. What I found to be > difficult was that you are trying to kill an insect that lives on an > insect.. > Gordon, you are right that varroa control requires Integrated Pest Management (Multi-faceted attack ) While it is true that it is difficult to kill an insect parasite without killing the insect it lives on, the main reason to use IMP is because the varroa have such a short life cycle, leaving the mite to breed from resistant ( to poisons/management practises) stock quicker than a life form that has a longer generational cycle If a product kills 98% of the varroa, the stronger/ tolerant mites are left to breed and you end up with mitres that are resistant to the control you are applying. In time that one control becomes impotent. By switching poisons/ management you keep killing off the remaining 2 % , that you missed. While you never get completly get rid of the mite ( so far ) it allows you to maintain a number of options in regard to mite control. You have heard of the results when only one poison is used (Apistan), resulting in Apistan resistance.It is like switching pitchers in a baseball game once the opposition has got the origional pitchers number. As an interesting side note researchers at Apomondia stated that mite resistance, is bred backwards once the poisons ( apistan) is removed over a period of time. More simply that resistance in mites is not stable once established, and if the pressure/poison is removed over generations it disappears. Possibly this would make Apistan useful later in the game. These are some of the reasons to use different multi-faceted attacts on the vampire mites. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Article 21688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.92.226.72!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38124A98.F6E6C658@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carolina woman who buys "raw" honey? (ISO) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:54:02 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 940722602 24.24.11.225 (Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:50:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:50:02 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21688 Anybody on the ng know about a woman in NC or SC (or therabouts) who is a buyer of raw honey, in bulk? Trying to find out who she is, a/o contact her. Word is she is rather "hillbilly"-ish, and retails honey and other natural foods, but beyond that I don't have much info. Slim chance with this description, I know, but figured it might be worth a shot.... thanks Article 21689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carolina woman who buys "raw" honey? (ISO) Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 1999 02:34:41 GMT References: <38124A98.F6E6C658@twcny.rr.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991023223441.15999.00000408@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21689 You might be referring to Really Raw Honey in Baltimore? The owner is a woman, though I can't recall her name right now. She likes goldenrod honey, with pieces of bees in it..... Try: http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/keepers.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Gatorgold Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey from grape vines. Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:59:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7utsms$jt3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.88.65.214 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 24 02:59:41 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.88.65.214 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgatorgold Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21690 Just wondering what kind of honey grape vines produce. Anybody have experience with collecting honey made mostly from grape vines? Thanks and sorry if this posted twice. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Y además todo ello en nuestro idioma el Castellano. ¡Esperemos tu visita! Article 21692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Control Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:42:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Message-ID: <7uv0k5$ajq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19991023152936.05739.00000379@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-21.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 940770757 10874 209.130.165.21 (24 Oct 1999 13:12:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 1999 13:12:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21692 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19991023152936.05739.00000379@ng-cb1.aol.com>... >>What I found to be >>difficult was that you are trying to kill an insect that lives on an >>insect.. > >sorry dude but the varroa is more kin to a spider than a insect > >either way she's a bitch > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Now that REALLY adds to the confusion...varroa...is it an insect, spider or a dog? ...sorry...couldn't resist... --Busybee Article 21693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ratbert.tds.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey from grape vines. Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:45:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7uv13s$li$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7utsms$jt3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21693 Gatorgold wrote: >Just wondering what kind of honey grape vines produce. Anybody have >experience with collecting honey made mostly from grape vines? Thanks >and sorry if this posted twice. None. Grapes are wind pollenated. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3812FE56.6CEDAD2D@together.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:40:54 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: book -honey hunter/gatherer References: <19991021100752.04869.00000005@ngol08.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-182-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 24 Oct 1999 09:00:44 -0500, dial-182-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-182-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21694 The book is called Honey Hunters of Nepal. Authors are Eric Valli and Diane Summers. Great book. Especially like the photos of the swollen eyed helpers - look just like some of mine! Mike Jajwuth wrote: > I remember seeing a book at the bookstore years ago. It was a large book and > showed pictures of honey gatherers scaling cliffs to harvest honey from wild > hives. > Does anybody recall the book title or author? > Thanks > Al Article 21695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "dm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: newbee! Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:18:17 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-Z0quvM//MAW9JLLMISw0HemB4hoSVpU1OYV6iLVzsV/jw0sKBwbTTL5nlxJ4c1+Hdm4FqxeUk6v0Vaz!hfs5al+aSt1Fgy85okQ6qjQIKEs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:21:31 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21695 I am in Port Angeles area...would agree completely with "Laura" and add that our season is SO short that I feel I've really don e it good with only 20 pounds per hive. Lot of feeding in the spring too. Warms up enough for queen laying in February, but no nector source until Dandy-lions in April...so it is race for honey in the hive from last fall....welcome, however...... "DM" ronald a carlson wrote in message ... >plan to move to one of the San Juan islands in the Pacific Northwest next >spring and would appreciate any alerts to problems I might have with hives >in this geographic area > > > Article 21696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey from grape vines. Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 1999 18:42:47 GMT References: <7uv13s$li$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991024144247.12715.00000373@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21696 From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) >Gatorgold wrote: > >>Just wondering what kind of honey grape vines produce. Anybody have >>experience with collecting honey made mostly from grape vines? Thanks >>and sorry if this posted twice. > > >None. Grapes are wind pollenated. > >Greg the beekeep Scuppernongs are the only grapes I know of, that bees visit during bloom, and the grapes do benefit from the cross pollination. But I don't think there is enough nectar in them to make any significant honey. I presume they are visiting for pollen. In a hot, dry year we sometimes get a few hives that work on the fruit of grapes, elderberries, etc (occasionally even watermelons!), and make a very dark, purplish, fruity "honey" that I presume is largely concentrated fruit juice. Bees pay fruit little attention if there is nectar available, and they still won't bother fruit, unless yellow jackets and hornets are there first to break the skin. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEBncm9XZWIgbGEgcOFnaW5hIEhpc3BhbmEgZGUgQWdyaWN1bHR1cmEgeSBHYW5hZGVy7WE=?= Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 1999 18:53:09 GMT References: <3812ed62@news.arrakis.es> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19991024145309.12715.00000377@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21697 From: "Usuario_Inves" aaaaa@aaaaaaa >@groWeb la Página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: > >http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ > >Te invita a que visites sus diferentes secciones: > >@groEscuela >Donde encontrarás más de 35 documentos artículos y Boletines Técnicos. > >@groCafé: >Para dar tu opinión libremente sobre los temas de mayor actualidad Agrícola >y Ganadera > >@groPreguntas: >Si tienes alguna Duda o Cuestión este es el sitio indicado para resolverla. > >@groCursos: >Donde encontraras el Curso, Jornada o Congreso al que estas interesado en >Asistir. > >@groNoticias: >Para estar bien informado de lo que ocurre en el mundo Agrícola y Ganadero > >@groEnlaces: >La forma más fácil de encontrar en Internet las páginas sobre Agricultura y >Ganadería. > > >Y además todo ello en nuestro idioma el Castellano. > >¡Esperemos tu visita! FYI, This is a Spanish language referral page for agricultural topics. For those who don't speak Spanish (or several other languages), you can get a rough translation (computer-generated) at: http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis dorsata Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Oct 1999 21:55:37 GMT References: <7uk90i$396@news1.snet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991024175537.06946.00000419@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21698 does anybody know if this bee has been hived on an ongoing basis There is a reference "Honey a comprehensive survey" that Thaker in 1974 used unorthodox methods to accomplish. The article is in Bee Wld (world?) 54(1):24-27. I don't have access to that reference. Also would i be correct in saying that a wild bee is one that is incapable of being hived. Also a domesticated bee has been hived but it is essentially a wild bee after being hived. Thats what i gather from two sources but it seems like a contridiction. Al Article 21699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kentucky and Coumaphos Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:09:11 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3813ADB6.3D98B984@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21699 Kentucky has filed for the Section 18 exemption to use Coumaphos. They feel they have identified 2 apiaries with resistant mites. Should hear in about 2 or 3 weeks. Judy in Kentucky Article 21700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Turkeys and Bees Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:11:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3813AE27.7FA4F209@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21700 I have asked quite a few people, no one seems to know. How about it? Wild turkeys have been hanging around our beehives. About 15 turkeys. Can't watch them to see if they are eating the bees. Turkeys spook real easy. Anyone know if they eat bees? Very many? Thanks Judy in Kentucky Article 21701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:51:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7v0k48$bub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991023041837.09827.00000099@ng-cn1.aol.com> <29921-3811AFB9-4@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.208.211.141 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Oct 25 03:51:36 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 171.208.211.141 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21701 >(Hank Mishima) wrote: > Crimp wire foundation is wax foundation with vertical wires which adds > strength to "plain" foundation. This helps to keep the foundation > straight in the frame and helps prevent the foundation from breaking > when honey is being extracted. Duragilt is a brand of plastic > foundation rather than wax, although there is a small amount of wax > applied to encourage bees to build comb. There is also another type > of plastic brand like Pierco which has the comb form on the plastic >sheet itself rather than just in the wax. One noted problem with >duragilt is that if wax gets rubbed off the plastic, bees will not >build comb on that part of the foundation. > > Foundation is placed in a frame so bees can build comb for brood, > storage of nectar and pollen. > > It is customarily suggested to many with questions of this type to > refer to one of the basic bee texts if you are planning to raise bees. > I started with "Honey Bees & Beekeeping" by Keith Delaplane. However >there are others that would do just as well too. **************************************************************** Howdy Hank -- I just want to congratulate you on a very good answer to the newbee. Too often I notice answers from us "older" keepers to just --- go look it up in a book. We forget that some are so new they are not acquainted with the books. Thanks ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carolina woman who buys "raw" honey? (ISO) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:25:47 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7v0u3r$2nr$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <38124A98.F6E6C658@twcny.rr.com> <19991023223441.15999.00000408@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p187.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 940833723 2811 159.134.232.187 (25 Oct 1999 06:42:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Oct 1999 06:42:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21702 Dave Green wrote in message <19991023223441.15999.00000408@ng-cc1.aol.com>... > > You might be referring to Really Raw Honey in Baltimore? She likes goldenrod honey, >with pieces of bees in it..... > Does this make it organic honey ? ;-) Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 21703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7uk90i$396@news1.snet.net> <19991024175537.06946.00000419@ngol02.aol.com> Subject: Re: apis dorsata Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:27:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 940836442 24.65.132.209 (Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:27:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:27:22 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21703 > > Also would i be correct in saying that a wild bee is one that is incapable of > being hived. Also a domesticated bee has been hived but it is essentially a > wild bee after being hived. Thats what i gather from two sources but it seems > like a contridiction. > Al Interesting, got me thinking. I think that all bees would have to be considered wild, in that they basically act the same regardless of being given help or not. They are not friendlier to me because they are in a box I have provided, except that they may be in a better mood because life is not so hard. Apis dorsata is exploited for honey and wax the same as our bees. If someone leaves a tree or the equivelent untouched for the bees use ( in trade for exploitation), are they wild? Ants can be put in an aquarium, are they wild or domesticated once they are put in that aquarium. Agreement of termonology is important or communication is lost. I define that a lifeform is domesticated when it changes its behavior substantially from what it would be in the wild left to its own devises. Bees do not do this, so I propose they are all wild, until someone can show me a bee that seeks affection or can do circus tricks. " when the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro" Hunter S. Thompson hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Article 21704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Excluder Variability Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:41:09 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 49 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "BEE-L" Cc: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6wWQUtobHWByIb7csT+LKTU?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21704 Well, I've been wondering, with all the talk of big bees and little bees and whether virgins can get through excluders, what the facts are. No one has presented any numbers, so I decided to measure some excluders that we have accumulated over the years. I've put the results at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/Excluders.htm rather than plug up the list with the numbers. We did not have any zinc excluder or 5 mesh hardware cloth handy when we were measuring. Both work nicely as excluders, so if anyone has any measurements for these, I'd appreciate the input. Now that I'm thinking about this, I wonder about the origin of excluders and who did the original work. It appears that the various brands and ages (up to 40 or 50 years old) of excluders we have are all built to pretty much the same gap specs, even if the wire size and orientation does vary. I might mention here that the variations in the older excluders shown in the table did not seem to bother the bees at all. All the excluders seemed to work very well. We see only a handful of queens above excluders in a year - much less than 1%, and some excluders I come across have wires bent enough that there is almost double the normal gap in one or two small spots. As far as whether virgins can get through excluders as some have asserted here, it is my understanding that although the abdomen is somewhat compressible and also varies with the condition of a queen, it is the thorax size that determines whether or not a bee can get through the gap, and that this characteristic does not vary over the life of a queen. Is this true? Anyhow, all this leads to the questions: * How wide a gap could we have in a successful queen excluder? Would a wider gap work just fine and make things easier for the bees and beekeeper? * Is the present excluder specification a result of careful repeated research or copycats of one successful design? * How much do various strains and individual specimens of currently popular honey bees vary, and if using varying sizes of foundation results in different bee sizes as suggested, should we be using matching excluders? allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ratbert.tds.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Turkeys and Bees Date: 25 Oct 1999 07:30:43 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7v1f13$s1g$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3813AE27.7FA4F209@fuse.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21705 In article <3813AE27.7FA4F209@fuse.net>, Judy and Dave wrote: >I have asked quite a few people, no one seems to know. How about it? > >Wild turkeys have been hanging around our beehives. About 15 turkeys. >Can't watch them to see if they are eating the bees. Turkeys spook real >easy. > >Anyone know if they eat bees? Very many? I'd bet they do. How long are they there? Why don't you make them into a nice meal? Wild Turkey is one of the better things to eat imho. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 21706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Excluder Variability Date: 25 Oct 1999 07:34:50 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7v1f8q$s9r$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21706 In article , Allen Dick wrote: > >As far as whether virgins can get through excluders as some have asserted here, >it is my understanding that although the abdomen is somewhat compressible and >also varies with the condition of a queen, it is the thorax size that determines >whether or not a bee can get through the gap, and that this characteristic does >not vary over the life of a queen. Is this true? Hi Allen, If anyone surveyed thorax size variation in populations, they were bored and well funded! I'd venture to say that once a virgin emerges, here thorax size remains constant, but I could be wrong since morphology is almost never consistent. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 21707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.92.226.137!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3814417D.D070A00@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Excluder Variability References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:39:47 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 940851343 24.24.11.225 (Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:35:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:35:43 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21707 Hi Allen and all -- Just wanted to relate that this past spring, two of the queens I reared were produced in hives consisting of a single brood chamber with excluder and medium super above. (The super contained honey stores and was left there in lieu of a feeder.) The queens were "hatched" in these hives -- i.e., each of the two colonies -- queenless at the time -- received a brood comb containing two or more ripe queen cells, which were placed in there for emergence and acceptance. Well, when I returned a couple weeks later to check them, there was a lot of new brood in both hives. Looked great. Only problem was, the brood was all in the supers, above the excluders! Both queens mated fine, and the resulting brood was all first-class worker brood. So I must presume the queens got up through the excluders while still young, after mating successfully. There were no gaps or exits above the excluders. I'm surprised that BOTH queens ended up upstairs like that. later, Joel Article 21708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!WCG!WCG2!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apis dorsata Date: 25 Oct 1999 07:26:54 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7v1epu$rq4$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7uk90i$396@news1.snet.net> <19991024175537.06946.00000419@ngol02.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21708 In article , Hugh Tait wrote: >Ants can be put in an aquarium, are they wild or domesticated once they are >put in that aquarium. > >Agreement of termonology is important or communication is lost. I define >that a lifeform is domesticated when it changes its behavior substantially >from what it would be in the wild left to its own devises. Bees do not do >this, so I propose they are all wild, until someone can show me a bee that >seeks affection or can do circus tricks. > >" when the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro" Hunter S. Thompson Yay for the good doctor! "Wild" versus "domesticated" is relative depending on your frame of reference. When C. Darwin was postulating his "decent with modification" theory, he used agricultural domestication as a theoretical template for adaptation through natural selection. As far as honey bees and other _Apis_ go, wouldn't you call non-wild or "domesticated" bees, ones that make more honey, and build up more than they'd actually need? The example of colonies that make brood when they need that honey to stay insulated and warm. They've been *selected for* by the beekeeper. "Wild bees" are populations that are *selected for* without any human input. One may argue that bees have always had human input in their evolutionary ontogeny. A great term for this: Synanthropy. Roaches and dogs experience synanthropy. I think bees do to. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 21709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Turkeys and Bees Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:21:16 GMT References: <3813AE27.7FA4F209@fuse.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991025082116.13623.00000790@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21709 >Turkeys spook real >easy. > >Anyone know if they eat bees? Very many? them varmits is good eatin ! and they will eat anything bug like that moves. I've seen em chase a grasshopper bout a country mile. so if theys discovered a free meal at your hives they'll clean em out. a pie pan on a string hung from a tobacco stick will keep em out a there. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NC State Fair Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:30:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991025083055.13623.00000792@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21710 Well she's come and gone, another year in the trenches I'd say we averaged 200 questions a day and course everybody wanted to see the queen. Our volunteer students from over at State were quite interesting. I assume most liked to fish since they kept their tackle hanging from their faces. There seemed to be some sincere interest from the public concerning the varroa problem although many didn't actually know what the whole deal was. Well if ya missed the fun, come see us next year. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Lacy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing my bees - Seems to be a lot of condensation? Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:48:40 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7vaju7$ret$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: <7v7m5s$h2v$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-172-202-31.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21776 > so I figure it is condensation from the bees Here in the mid UK we have mild and wet winters. Condensation is a problem. We put a piece of perforated zinc over the open feed-hole in the top board and open up the entrance to its largest size, but fit a guard over it to keep out the mice. Food and ventilation ar essential. Keith Article 21777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Russell Conine" References: <3814ce81@news.arrakis.es> Subject: Re: @groWeb Galardonada por Agricultura (La revista) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:45:31 -0400 Lines: 55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21777 sci.agriculture.fruit:3181 sci.agriculture.poultry:17419 sci.agriculture.ratites:1543 HUH?????????? Usuario_Inves wrote in message <3814ce81@news.arrakis.es>... >@groWeb >http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ >La página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería >ha sido galardonada con la nominación de página del Mes, por la revista >Agricultura, en su edición de Septiembre > >Agricultura es la revista líder del sector Agrícola y Ganadero en España, >llegando a numerosos países tanto de Europa como América. > >Este galardón solo hace confirmar que estamos en el buen camino respecto a >nuestra trayectoria, empesada hace casi dos años. > >A continuación relato lo escrito en la revista Agricultura de nuestro >espacio @groWeb: > >"@groweb > >http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ > >Según sus propios creadores @groweb nace por la inquietud de un grupo de >personas relacionadas con la Agricultura y aficionadas a Intemet, que veían >de interés crear una página Web sobre temas Agrícolas y Ganaderos dirigida a >la población Hispano hablante. Desde la página de presentación podemos >acceder a la @groEscuela, en la que encontraremos un espacio dedicado a >Documentos Técnicos, Boletines y Artículos sobre Agronomía, dejar nuestra >opinión sobre temas de actualidad en el @grocafé, Resolver nuestras dudas o >intercambiar información en la sección @groPreguntas, encontrar información >sobre cursos y jornadas técnicas, o anunciar gratuitamente un evento en >@grocursos o dar un repaso a lo que sucede en el mundo agrícola y ganadero >en @groNoticias. > >El servidor ofrece además una lista con más de 1400 enlaces clasificados por >temas y acceso al "Agriculture Webring", un gran anillo al que pertenecen >más de 350 páginas de todo el mundo relacionadas con la agricultura y la >ganadería. > >Desde aquí felicitamos a los creadores de esta página y animamos a nuestros >lectores a que la visiten." > > > > > > > > > > > Article 21778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: corn syrup Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:55:32 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7var15$png$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-47.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 941158245 26352 208.232.214.47 (29 Oct 1999 00:50:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 1999 00:50:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21778 I am looking for a supplier of high frutose corn syrup. I would like to use this instead of sugar water thanks preacher Article 21779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm hints? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 04:34:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7vb84v$1j2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.218.104.84 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 29 04:34:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 171.218.104.84 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21779 (Owen Watson) wrote: > I've just collected my first 2 swarms (the first one a cockup, the >second one seemed to go OK) and wondered whether others had any good suggestions. > > What I do is brush all the bees (well, as many as I can gather) into a > cardboard box, partially close the box, leave it near the remnants of >the swarm, and come back in the early evening. I then seal the box and take it away. Should I leave the box there till night, when most of the bees will be inside? Do others have special boxes? To combine with an existing hive, does anyone have a better method than dumping the bees thru a queen excluder to extract the queen, then using the newspaper method to combine them? *************************************************************** Howdy,Owen -- I use an apple box from the grocery store. It is strong, has a telescoping top and a crack in the top just the right size. I break off a few small tree branches and place them in the open box. Get the bees in by bumping the limb if possible. If this is not possible, scrape or brush them in -- put the lid on and leave as near the swarm spot as possible. Leave until night if possible. To hive them, take one or two frames containing larvae from another colony and place them in your receiving hive. Place cloth or plastic in front of the hive and be sure there is an inclined path for the swarm to negotiate. Wait until LATE afternoon (dusky dark) before hiving the swarm. The babies need attention, so you couldn't drive them out with a whip if you got the queen with the swarm. (If you did not get the queen, the swarm would probably leave the box and go up to join Mama. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nitrouzx@aol.com (NiTRouZx) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pasturization??? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Oct 1999 05:27:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991029012753.01145.00001949@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21780 do put honey through a process of pasturization? if so how do you do it ? i thought you only needed to heat it you can contact me here or send me an email: nitrouzx@aol.com With the Subject related to beekeeping or pasturization. Thank you --David Article 21781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mesh floors to control varroa Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:44:25 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7vbc6t$c6a$2@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <19991012234129.12609.00000495@ng-fp1.aol.com> <19991014001707.14124.00000907@ng-fg1.aol.com> <7v2ibc$p8n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-1.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 941175837 12490 194.158.120.1 (29 Oct 1999 05:43:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 1999 05:43:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21781 Bonjour, Were are you from, happy varroaless guy ? -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ a écrit dans le message : 7v2ibc$p8n$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I cannot comment on the efficacy of the varroa control aspect of mesh > floors as to the best of my knowledge we as yet are still free of these > delightful people. I can however comment on ventilated floors. If a > colony is given a mesh floor and a mesh crown-board only one gets > propolised over and it's not below! > Listen to the bees... > Best wishes for a good winter, or full supers depending on your season.. > Pete Watt > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 21782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasturization??? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Oct 1999 14:05:55 GMT References: <19991029012753.01145.00001949@ng-bh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991029100555.10978.00000009@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21782 With this years wierd weather the honey was not pastuerized it was only up to my belt. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 21783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "James Slowik" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New York Property Tax Cuts? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:59:52 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7vccdc$gk4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.205.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 941208812 17028 12.79.205.159 (29 Oct 1999 14:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Oct 1999 14:53:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.02 (298) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21783 I've heard rumors that if one wants to have a hive or two on their property then they can get a small cut in property taxes. Does anyone know the facts on this? Article 21784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3819BD83.82CEEE19@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old English Brown Bee References: <19991027155017.18117.00000038@ngol03.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:30:26 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 941210771 24.24.11.225 (Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:26:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:26:11 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21784 comments below... Jajwuth wrote: > From what i read this bee had a number of qualities including: > small brood area > longevity > wing power > did not require much feeding > self-supporting > extreme thrift > hardiness > incomparable cappings > built combs a pitch of perfect > > unfortunately the whole race was lost 50 years ago. (many dispute this, and claim the bee can still be found in pockets of the UK) > > > Is there a modern day equivalent? Particularly with the small brood area, > hardiness, thrift and superior comb building attributes. From what I've seen, the Carniolans are the closest thing, according to those attributes. They have a very compact nest and are extremely thrifty. Also, they fly at quite cool temperatures, when the other bees are staying inside. I believe Susan Cobey has said that the New World Carniolans require a large brood area, but in my experience they are adapted very well to single brood chambers, without undue swarming, and the colonies don't get as large as Italians. Their crops are no less, though. (The quality of their cappings is choice -- especially good for comb honey.) Generally speaking, they seem to be more economical to manage. For me, they certainly winter better, and use a lot less stores than other bees. A number of northern commercial beekeepers I have run into prefer them, which I think says something in their favor. Just my 2 cents; I hope it's helpful. -J. Article 21785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing my bees - Seems to be a lot of condensation? Message-ID: <38197e1a.566414453@news.usenetserver.com> References: <7v7m5s$h2v$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <7v7qhe$hj3$2@news1.Radix.Net> <3817CA8F.1CE3577E@povn.com> <7v9t2f$4p8$1@campus3.mtu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 32 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:54:53 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:01:06 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21785 I take a full newspaper and staple it closed ( so it doesn't blow about) Lay this between the inner cover and telescoping lid. This will absorb moisture .. costs nothing. Next year you will have start fuel available at that apiary Dave On 28 Oct 1999 16:19:27 GMT, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: >Hugh Tait wrote: > >: That being said and getting back to the context, you must do two things for >: sure to insure your bees make it through the winter. They must have enough >: feed, and the must have enough ventalation to keep the hive dry as possible. >: In the north we have top entrances to let the vapour made by the bees out. > >: In lue of a top entrace, I suggest your phone some supplier and order those >: two sticks, ASAP as they may not have any in stock. > >I have one other question about winterizing: Where I am (upper peninsula >of Michigan, next to Lake Superior, about 89 deg. W, 48 deg. N) we get >a lot of snow. By "a lot", I mean an average of about 200 inches per >winter (about 5 meters). At any given time from mid-December until about >the middle of April, most (if not all) of the hive will be buried in >snow. Will it be sufficient to just go out every couple of days and >dig them out to expose the upper entrance, or will I need to dig all >the way down to the lower entrance to keep good ventilation? > >Tim Eisele >tceisele@mtu.edu Article 21786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rtaremote1.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Basic extraction questions Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:23:27 +0100 Message-ID: <941196077.12733.0.nnrp-14.c2deff79@news.demon.co.uk> References: <7v4qei$oga$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 941196077 nnrp-14:12733 NO-IDENT rtaremote1.demon.co.uk:194.222.255.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21786 Try using a hot air gun to flash melt the cappings or an uncapping fork. Graham > > The problem I had was, when using the hot knife to uncap the comb, the wax > > that the knife melted just ran back over the comb and re-capped it! > > Anyone have suggestions as to avoiding this minor problem next year? > > > > Article 21787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ronald a carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vccdc$gk4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: New York Property Tax Cuts? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.102.74.62 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 941240283 209.102.74.62 (Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:38:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:38:03 EDT Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:38:56 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21787 How about Washington State as well? James Slowik wrote in message news:7vccdc$gk4$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net... > I've heard rumors that if one wants to have a hive or two on their property > then they can get a small cut in property taxes. Does anyone know the facts > on this? Article 21788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ID (location and guidelines) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <3S4aOCGJR1Zjt+wdL5Faxj4cDXV9@4ax.com> References: <38019C79.62121899@islapro.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:40:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.250.161 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 941240683 38.31.250.161 (Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:44:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:44:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21788 >A bright red sign with black gothic script; skull and crossbones and >biohazard symbol above, with script below saying: >"CDC BIOHAZARD US ARMY CRASH SITE. OK, here's a better one: CDC BIOHAZARD US ARMY CRASH SITE if small monkeys are found don't touch call: 1-800-CONTAIN that should protect most apiaries. Better do that in Spanish too. Sharles K. Article 21789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasturization??? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:04:04 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <381A35F4.F6E13788@kingston.net> References: <19991029012753.01145.00001949@ng-bh1.aol.com> <19991029100555.10978.00000009@ng-fl1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21789 BeeCrofter wrote: > > With this years wierd weather the honey was not pastuerized it was only up to my belt. > > Tom Nice one Tom! Article 21790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: becky65476@aol.com (Becky65476) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Baking with honey? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Oct 1999 00:58:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991029205839.11286.00000189@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21790 Hi Could anyone help with receipe(s) and /or books for baking with honey? I have the formula for changing from sugar to honey but wondered about recipes that enhance and bring out the taste of honey. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Rebecca Article 21792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!harpo.ctel.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keeping honey liquid From: malioto@ctel.net (Mary) Message-ID: <09990929235307.OUI02.malioto@ctel.net> Organization: Pleasant Pond Orchard Reply-To: malioto@ctel.net X-Newsreader: OUI 1.8 Pro X-Priority: 3 Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 03:49:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.102.31 X-Trace: harpo.ctel.net 941255394 209.222.102.31 (Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:49:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:49:54 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21792 Hi... We have a shop where we sell apples from our orchard as well as some other orchardy type stuff, and honey from our hives. I keep the shop pretty much unheated unless it gets *really* cold, but I would say I don't ever heat it much above 60 degrees (the apples spoil quickly in warm temperatures)during the day, and not at all at night. Of course, the honey would like to be warmer.... I was thinking about installing lights over the honey - like under counter lights - hoping that they would generate some heat, but was told they probably wouldn't help at all. Does anybody have any helpful ideas how to keep the honey warm enough to prevent crystalization? I personally prefer it that way, but most of my customers don't... thanks Mary Article 21793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991029205839.11286.00000189@ng-fd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Baking with honey? Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:25:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 941286355 204.186.180.81 (Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:25:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:25:55 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21793 Rebecca, If you are looking for cookbooks, we have quite a few available, follow this link to see them. http://www.draperbee.com/catalog/page4.htm I recommend Item # BK-004 and Item # BK-028. There are also some good receipes on the National Honey Board's website, to get there while on our site click home then links. Good luck and happy baking! Royal W. Draper www.draperbee.com Becky65476 wrote in message <19991029205839.11286.00000189@ng-fd1.aol.com>... >Hi >Could anyone help with receipe(s) and /or books for baking with honey? >I have the formula for changing from sugar to honey but wondered about recipes >that enhance and bring out the taste of honey. >Any help would be greatly appreciated! >Rebecca Article 21794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pasturization??? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Oct 1999 12:32:14 GMT References: <19991029012753.01145.00001949@ng-bh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991030083214.16694.00000246@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21794 This is provided thanks to Ted Fischer, from a post he made recently to the bee-l list: According to the Chamber's Technical Dictionary (3rd. edition), pasteurization is a process whereby a fluid (such as milk) is heated to 62.8 - 65.5 C (145 - 150 F) and held at this temperature for 30 minutes. I suppose that commercially honey may be heated momentarily to these temperatures (flash heating) to facilitate filtering (as oppposed to straining, which is easily done at 37.8C (100F)), but holding it there for 30 minutes would damage its flavor. Therefore, it cannot be said that honey is ever really "pasteurized", and consequently any label statement that honey is unpasteurized would be unnecessary. Thanks again to Ted Fischer for looking that up. John Article 21795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <09990929235307.OUI02.malioto@ctel.net> Subject: Re: Keeping honey liquid Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:38:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 941287085 204.186.180.81 (Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:38:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:38:05 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21795 Mary, Your best bet would be to only display enough jars to get you through say a week of sales, and freeze the rest until you are ready to sell it, honey will not crystallize in the freeze and can be store indefinitely. Make sure the lid is on tight when you put the jars in the freezer. You also will want to put your label on the jars after you take them out of the freezer, otherwise they may get wrinkled. Having lights on your display will not help with crystallization but, it will increase your sales of honey. Light shining through honey is very attractive. Royal W. Draper 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com Article 21796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing my bees - Seems to be a lot of condensation? Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:46:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7vepag$fsm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7v7m5s$h2v$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <7v7qhe$hj3$2@news1.Radix.Net> <3817CA8F.1CE3577E@povn.com> <7v9t2f$4p8$1@campus3.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Oct 30 12:46:07 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21796 Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > I have one other question about winterizing... we get > a lot of snow... most (if not all) of the hive will be buried in > snow. Will it be sufficient to just go out every couple of days and > dig them out to expose the upper entrance, or will I need to dig all > the way down to the lower entrance to keep good ventilation? We have never dug out hives that get covered up. Snow covering hives seems to be a good thing. They seem to be able to get enough air down there, and don't get moldy either. I've been concerned about suffocating after ice storms, but have not experienced any loss that I can attribute to that. Nonetheless, we don't have the hives drifted in often enough for me to be an expert on the subject. Maybe some other would know more? allen -- Allen Dick ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baking with honey? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Oct 1999 14:09:27 GMT References: <19991029205839.11286.00000189@ng-fd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991030100927.21455.00000052@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21797 In article <19991029205839.11286.00000189@ng-fd1.aol.com>, becky65476@aol.com (Becky65476) writes: > >Hi >Could anyone help with receipe(s) and /or books for baking with honey? >I have the formula for changing from sugar to honey but wondered about >recipes >that enhance and bring out the taste of honey. >Any help would be greatly appreciated! >Rebecca > http://www.honey.com/ is the place to visit. Bob Article 21798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:21:28 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7vfc8r$rlt$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.2b.82 X-Server-Date: 30 Oct 1999 18:09:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21798 Nobody mentioned medicines in their responses to you. Some people have much worse than normal reactions to bee stings of they are taking over the counter medicines like Advil or Motrin. And it sounds like the guy who is suggesting getting stung more has been stung in the brain one to many times! Article 21799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Lacy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re:Varroa mite problem !!! Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:52:03 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7vfh4v$d68$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <7v43li$r5k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-62-148.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21799 Is it not a good idea to use them both in alternate years to limit the possibilty of the varroa mites developing resistance? Keith Article 21800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Giant flying varroa mites! Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:19:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7vfig0$ga3$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21800 Never mind, it's a swarm of lady bugs! 8>0 Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!news.gnac.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vfc8r$rlt$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:15:16 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 941318023 209.90.4.132 (Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:13:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:13:43 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21801 Phillip Knowles wrote in message > And it sounds like the guy who is suggesting getting stung more has been > stung in the brain one to many times! > Okay; let's keep the venomous flame type responses to a minimum. Top of the head, yes; but so far I haven't figured out how to get to the brain. John (I know you weren't talking about me, but I agree that getting more stings is the best way to reduce the reactions to them) > Article 21802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!isdnet!proxad.net!feeder2.proxad.net!nnrp1.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "bernard schmitlin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com> <7ulj51$8cl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <5oKS3.999$0%7.1474684@nnrp1.proxad.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:34:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.27.40.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp1.proxad.net 941322881 212.27.40.209 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:34:41 MEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:34:41 MEST Organization: Guest of ProXad - France Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21802 I can confirm that bumble bees do not loose the stinger having been stung myself by bumble bees of several species. Bernard Schmitlin. John O'Brien a écrit dans le message : rbvP3.187$ep3.13038436@alpha.sky.net... > George Styer wrote in message > > Huh? This would be a poor survival strategy for a solitary insect if > it were > > the case, but I don't know of a bombus that loses it's stinger and > thus > > dies. Is there such a species? > > > True; the BumbleBee does NOT lose the stinger after a sting > as don't wasps. Honey Bee may be one of few which do lose > it. If I could get a regular supply of Bumbles I'd probably like > to use them instead of honeybees, but they look soooo > scary and I guess I wouldn't get any honey either. > So, guess I'll stick with the honeybees. > John > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > > > Ruth Thomas wrote in message > > news:380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com... > > > The sting is more dangerous to the stinger than to the stung. The > stung > > > receive a harpoon-like sting which can be removed with eyebrow > tweezers. > > > The stinger dies as a side-effect of injecting it. > > > rezzub@my-deja.com wrote in message > <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > > >Has anyone ever died from a bumble bee sting? Sorry to pose such a > > > >morbid question, but I am trying to find out if bumble bees pose > any > > > >threat to humans. Most bumble bee enthusiasts I've spoken to > insist that > > > >these bees are totally harmless. Is this true?!! > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > >Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 21803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!proxad.net!feeder2.proxad.net!nnrp1.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "bernard schmitlin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <09990929235307.OUI02.malioto@ctel.net> Subject: Re: Keeping honey liquid Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <6oKS3.1000$0%7.1474684@nnrp1.proxad.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:34:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.27.40.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp1.proxad.net 941322882 212.27.40.209 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:34:42 MEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:34:42 MEST Organization: Guest of ProXad - France Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21803 I agree with Royal Draper as far as plastic jars are concerned but is he sure that glass jars will not break at freezing? Bernard Schmitlin Royal Draper a écrit dans le message : NEBS3.2568$IJ3.94671@nnrp1.ptd.net... > > Mary, > > Your best bet would be to only display enough jars to get you through say a > week of sales, and freeze the rest until you are ready to sell it, honey > will not crystallize in the freeze and can be store indefinitely. > Make sure the lid is on tight when you put the jars in the freezer. You also > will want to put your label on the jars after you take them out of the > freezer, otherwise they may get wrinkled. > > Having lights on your display will not help with crystallization but, it > will increase your sales of honey. Light shining through honey is very > attractive. > > Royal W. Draper > 800-233-4273 > www.draperbee.com > > > > Article 21804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bugsyrt@aol.com (Bugsyrt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Software Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Oct 1999 03:32:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991030233227.14043.00000297@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21804 I hope you do not mind a question from someone lurking in the peanut gallery. Can anyone recommend a good software program for beekeepers? I was hoping for something to help keep track of things - a sort of who's-who of my hives :-P what hives have had/need maintainance, what hives in what areas produce most or least etc... I cant say as much for my computer but at least I am confident the bees are y2k ready :-D Bugsyrt@aol.com - Cornng NY Article 21805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive carrier Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Oct 1999 03:57:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991030235716.24400.00000501@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21805 Does anyone have plans for a two-man hive carrier? Or a picture of one? Thanx, Jim Pickett Article 21806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!not-for-mail From: a.shaw@netcentral.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old English Brown Bee Message-ID: <381d51ec.419822@newsgroup.netcentral.co.uk> References: <19991027155017.18117.00000038@ngol03.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:34:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.109.206 X-Trace: newreader.ukcore.bt.net 941380399 62.6.109.206 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:33:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:33:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21806 On 27 Oct 1999 19:50:17 GMT, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: I saw an apiary of about 20 hives in Shropshire about 40 years ago. I would be surprised if it had gone completely. There must be something of them in the modern gene pool and I would also be interested if anyone has still them. This would have been the bee taken to the Americas. I know a few hundred years have elapsed since but it was not until earlier this century, following the "Isle of Wight disease" (Nosema), that the Italian bee became popular. I wonder if it still exists in the back-woods there. >From what i read this bee had a number of qualities including: >small brood area >longevity >wing power >did not require much feeding >self-supporting >extreme thrift >hardiness >incomparable cappings >built combs a pitch of perfect > >unfortunately the whole race was lost 50 years ago. > >Is there a modern day equivalent? Particularly with the small brood area, >hardiness, thrift and superior comb building attributes. >Thanks >Al >Al . Article 21807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ripsheets@aol.com (Ripsheets) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Custom Sized Laser and Inkjet Labels Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Oct 1999 15:48:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991031104831.07766.00000609@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21807 Rippedsheets.com manufactures custom inkjet or laser labels of any size or shape for your requirements. 31 label materials including waterproof-smearproof-solvent resistant are available to you. Rippedsheets.com supplies custom labels to facilities. Labels are custom die-cut to meet your needs with no die charge on short runs (as little as 10 sheets). All materials have been tested for printer compatiblity. Please go to http://www.rippedsheets.com Email: ripsheets@aol.com Article 21808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ravenstandalone" Subject: Wild Honey. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: spider-tk051.proxy.aol.com/152.163.206.196 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 941385421735 Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:53:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.203 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 941370782 216.200.3.203 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 03:53:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 03:53:02 PST Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21808 While living in the mountains of West (By God) Virginia, I was priveleged to acquire a few gallons of wild bee honey. Still have quite a bit of it left. Does wild honey have any monetary value and, if so, about how much per pound should I look for? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). Article 21809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Honey. Message-ID: References: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1611 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 941387375 216.100.16.37 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:29:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:29:35 EST Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 08:35:21 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21809 That depends on your marketing. I had a secretary who was convinced that honey made exclusively from local honeybees (not mingled honey from all areas as with the big processors) would help her with her allergies. She would have paid $20 for a pound of such honey, because of these medicinal properties, but I gave her more than that for free. My honey from my top bar hive is all locally foraged. (Would that be right Big Johnson - locally foraged, or would it be more accurate to say - locally regurgitated - since nectar is foraged, but honey is regurgitated - or am I all mixed up? What is a tobacco stick?) In article , ravenstandsalone@yahoo.com says... > While living in the mountains of West (By God) Virginia, I was > priveleged to acquire a few gallons of wild bee honey. Still have quite > a bit of it left. Does wild honey have any monetary value and, if so, > about how much per pound should I look for? > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > > Article 21810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Software Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <19991030233227.14043.00000297@ngol02.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:46:58 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.41 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 941392299 38.11.203.41 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:51:39 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:51:39 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21810 bugsyrt@aol.com ask: >Can anyone recommend a good software program for beekeepers? Do a search on Copernic 2000 which is free software (with banner ads, but not excessive flashers) besides you don't need to use it long. http://www.copernic.com/download/ Humm I see you're on AOL. Search for "beekeeping software" and configure the search to find the exact phrase. There was a deal a while back, it is in the archives of this year, about some program (they basically spammed the list) seemed like it was from Sweden or Denmark, can't recall. It was not cheap, and I don't know what it did. You probably don't need to save money being an AOL subscriber so I may be wasting my text here, but why don't you just keep a JOURNAL. You know, name or number your hives, and write about them in your journal. A good program for that is Yeah Write: http://www.wordplace.com. There are options that include a registered version with more features but, the free version contains about half the features of the full version but still comes with the following documents, and features: diary, general purpose, journal, business letter, personal letter, memo, and notes; bold, underline, italics, center, flush right, bullets, indents, hanging indents, check boxes, numbered lists, titles, headings, and a US English speller. Plus it's easy on the resources. Charles Kroeger - Everything in the world may be endured except continual prosperity. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Article 21811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive carrier Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:35:38 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <381C8BFA.B98@midwest.net> References: <19991030235716.24400.00000501@ng-fv1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21811 Nopcme wrote: > > Does anyone have plans for a two-man hive carrier? Or a picture of one? > Thanx, > Jim Pickett John Calderia has a pic of one on his site: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/gadgets.htm AL Article 21812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Giant flying varroa mites! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Oct 1999 21:40:34 GMT References: <7vfig0$ga3$2@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991031164034.09845.00000761@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21812 From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) >Never mind, it's a swarm of lady bugs! 8>0 > >Greg the beekeep You sure, Greg? Betcha they're afro-beetles. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news2.aha.ru!aha!not-for-mail From: "Viacheslav Sheveliov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Software Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:57:14 +0300 Organization: Home, sweet home Lines: 20 Sender: slavash@aha.ru@p181.n87.dip.aha.ru Message-ID: <7vieie$eem$1@news2.aha.ru> References: <19991030233227.14043.00000297@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p181.n87.dip.aha.ru X-Trace: news2.aha.ru 941407630 14806 195.2.87.181 (31 Oct 1999 22:07:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@zenon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 1999 22:07:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21813 Hi Bugsyrt! Try EDBi software on beekeeping. It seems that their www is http://wn.com.au/apimo or http://www.wn.com.au/apimo/ but it don't work. Try to search by keyword "Bidata". However, this software has very much bugs so my advice is to use any common database software - MS Access, Paradox or similar to store records of your bee farm. In this case you will be able to tune database to you needs. But in this case you should have some knowledge on db software or/and VB programming. -- Slava Sheveliov slavash@aha.ru Article 21814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: kbulmash@webtv.net (Kathie Bulmash) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aging Honeycomb Honey? Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 17 Message-ID: <20690-381CD85F-71@storefull-123.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQQNItlz1ETbleHheGePstJUlIT5gIVALUWuoSuUUwwE6CPEXzWKCrq9csU Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21814 Hope someone can help me with this rather mundane question. I recently purchased a jar of honey with the honeycomb included. The seller said that "in ten years, it'll really be great" (or something close to that). My question is this: does a jar of honey age to perfection (a la certain wines)? If so, is the comb the specific factor in said process? Just what does it age into? Are we talking fancy moonshine here? Or was he joshing me? (He had seemed reluctant to sell that particular jar, but I went to his store hoping to find comb honey again, after getting a delicious jar the year before on a previous trip to his parts. When I asked for it, not finding it on the shelf, he went to a back room and came back out with the jar mentioned above.) Thanks for any answers! Article 21815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin Mixture Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 02:27:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7vitr7$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.195.208 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 01 02:27:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.195.208 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21815 Can anyone tell me what proportions of powdered sugar and terramycin to mix together for placing in hives? I have the packets of Terramycin- which weigh 6.4 Oz. each. Also- is the powder just sprinkled on top of the brood frames?- and if so - how much per hive? Thanks Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!usc!newshub.csu.net!newshub.nntp.mr.net!news7.onvoy.net!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3805F045.2EBDA7B5@riverace.com> <000201bf1c8c$e8575560$02000003@allend> Subject: Re: Apistan Strips - Newbie Question Lines: 46 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <7d5T3.21$24.5324@news7.onvoy.net> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:31:40 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 941416387 209.32.197.29 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:33:07 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:33:07 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21816 Hahoooooooo, I am glad to see someone else say this. There has been too close of a relationship between the Feds and the Apistan people. The government should get out of the bee business they only screw things up when they get involved. Allen, I really liked your web site I am glad to get the address again, I had a hard drive crash and lost every thing a year ago. Elroy PS I know these thoughts are my own and some don't like to hear what I had to say in the past. I hope the person who is smarter than I doesn't block me again from this news group. >FWIW, I think the biggest cause of the resistance to Apistan (r) that now >threatens North American beekeepers is US governments' failure to certify >alternate treatments for varroa in time to ensure that a proper IPM system with >rotation of dissimilar treatments could legally be used. > >This failure to certify alternates was in *full knowledge* that tau-fluvalinate >would have a fairly short useful product life without alternate treatments. >Formic acid has proven to be an inexpensive, safe, simple and effective tool in >both Europe and Canada for many years now, and yet the US forbids its use. > And -- to add insult to injury -- beekeepers tend to be blamed by the >authorities for the decline in usefulness of Apistan (r). > >I recently spoke with a well know Canadian extension/research individual who >privately recommends leaving Apistan (r) in over winter *if* it is too late to >get it out without disruption, for the simple reason that the bees withdraw from >contact with the fluvalinate when the weather gets cold and do not get into >contact again until spring, and that formic treatments will deal with any mites >that briefly show resistance to Apistan (r). > Article 21817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!newshub.nntp.mr.net!news7.onvoy.net!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38060DF7.916@midwest.net> <000101bf1c89$9aa587e0$02000003@allend> Subject: Re: Apistan Strips, Bee Escape and Save Honey Lines: 6 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <_o5T3.23$24.5393@news7.onvoy.net> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:44:19 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 941417146 209.32.197.29 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:45:46 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:45:46 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21817 Hi Allen, how did your experiment work out for nosema. I am going to buy a microscope this winter to use for nosema and tracheal mites next spring. Elroy Article 21818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.netins.net!newshub.nntp.mr.net!news7.onvoy.net!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7var15$png$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Subject: Re: corn syrup Lines: 19 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:33:36 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 941420103 209.32.197.29 (Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:35:03 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:35:03 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21818 The number for Minnesota corn processors is 507-537-2676 the price is $9 per hundred lbs. Unless your buying at least 10,000 lbs they won't sell to you. If you need a few barrels of syrup and live close too southwest minnesota I may be able to help you get it. I have a little pull at this plant, my wife works in the lab there. Elroy Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <7var15$png$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... > I am looking for a supplier of high frutose corn syrup. I would like to use >this instead of sugar water >thanks >preacher > > Article 21819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mite problem !!! Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:32:10 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7v43li$r5k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7vfh4v$d68$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 941459588 nnrp-11:3057 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21819 I have a problem on which Chemical/poison to use Bayvarol or Apistan ? >Is it not a good idea to use them both in alternate years to limit the >possibilty of the varroa mites developing resistance? > >Keith > > Perhaps not as good an idea as it would seem. Fluvalinate and Flumethrin, the active ingredients in the two products are so alike that in many ways that they do not constitute different treatments. (Both are synthetic pyrethroids) Tests for true resistance show that resistance to one of these confers resistance to the other, so you would not get rid of any resistant mites by interchanging these. Therefore, whilst alternating treatments is a very good thing to restrict development of resistance, it should be done with significantly different substances. Formic acid, oxalic acid and drone trapping (possibly as supplements to a main treatment) are, amongst several others, ways in which you could perhaps weed out any pyrethroid resistant mites which could crop up. -- Murray McGregor murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Article 21820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aging Honeycomb Honey? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 1999 13:46:17 GMT References: <20690-381CD85F-71@storefull-123.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991101084617.04142.00000850@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21820 From: kbulmash@webtv.net (Kathie Bulmash) >Hope someone can help me with this rather mundane question. > >I recently purchased a jar of honey with the honeycomb included. The >seller said that "in ten years, it'll really be great" (or something >close to that). The guy's a master salesman! Made you come back, eh? He should be selling used cars. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 21821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee card Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:01:06 -0000 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.222 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.222 Message-ID: <381daa33_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 1 Nov 1999 09:56:51 -0500, 209.222.80.222 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.222 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21821 Greetings! We can not send a zip file using this format. If you would like to receive a bee card(movie) from us,please direct your request to our email address. This zip file is 1.09mg. Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 21822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Honey. Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:40:06 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.168 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 941471087 38.11.203.168 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:44:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:44:47 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21822 ravenstandalone ask: >Does wild honey have any monetary value and, if so, >about how much per pound should I look for? Only in the mind of the buyer. However if it is local honey in my opinion, and the amount you've indicated, it will have more value to you and your family perhaps than the money you might make. I've noticed that one can never receive in monetary terms the true value of local honey, unless perhaps you have a large surplus. To sell what you could better use yourself for a few dollars rather sounds like one of those biblical warnings about the value of money versus birthrights. If you only have enough for yourself, keep it and use it. Charles Kroeger Article 21823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <09990929235307.OUI02.malioto@ctel.net> <6oKS3.1000$0%7.1474684@nnrp1.proxad.net> Subject: Re: Keeping honey liquid Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:13:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 941479988 204.186.180.197 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:13:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:13:08 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21823 I have not had a problem freezing glass jars as honey does not expand like water. You may have a problem if you use a poor quality of the glass and or if the temperature setting of your freezer is set to low. 30 degrees F is sufficient to stop crystallization. bernard schmitlin wrote in message <6oKS3.1000$0%7.1474684@nnrp1.proxad.net>... >I agree with Royal Draper as far as plastic jars are concerned but is he >sure that glass jars will not break at freezing? >Bernard Schmitlin >Royal Draper a écrit dans le message : >NEBS3.2568$IJ3.94671@nnrp1.ptd.net... >> >> Mary, >> >> Your best bet would be to only display enough jars to get you through say >a >> week of sales, and freeze the rest until you are ready to sell it, honey >> will not crystallize in the freeze and can be store indefinitely. >> Make sure the lid is on tight when you put the jars in the freezer. You >also >> will want to put your label on the jars after you take them out of the >> freezer, otherwise they may get wrinkled. >> >> Having lights on your display will not help with crystallization but, it >> will increase your sales of honey. Light shining through honey is very >> attractive. >> >> Royal W. Draper >> 800-233-4273 >> www.draperbee.com >> >> >> >> > > Article 21824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vitr7$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Terramycin Mixture Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:25:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 941480735 204.186.180.197 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:25:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:25:35 EST Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21824 Use powdered instead of granulated sugar to make it easier to mix the Terramycin in with the sugar. The basic mixture is 1 teaspoon TM-24 (your 6.4 oz is TM 24) in 2 tablespoons of powdered sugar; feed this mixture of 1 once (200 mg, 2 tablespoons) to each colony on top of the brood camber, three times at three to five day intervals. The total dosage should be about 600 mg. Terramycin. www.draperbee.com repbees@my-deja.com wrote in message <7vitr7$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Can anyone tell me what proportions of powdered sugar and terramycin to >mix together for placing in hives? I have the packets of Terramycin- >which weigh 6.4 Oz. each. > >Also- is the powder just sprinkled on top of the brood frames?- and >if so - how much per hive? > >Thanks > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 21825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "petebarrett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new to beekeeping Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:24:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-48-18-60-62.vip.uk.com Message-ID: <381de998_3@news1.vip.uk.com> X-Trace: 1 Nov 1999 19:27:20 GMT, modem-48-18-60-62.vip.uk.com X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!modem-48-18-60-62.vip.uk.com Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21825 Hi. all. Just thought i would say hi to all fellow beekeepers out there. I am new to the hobby, half way through a basic beekeepers course. No bees yet, just learning. I did get to "play" at my local society's apiary. What an amazing experience. Hope to talk to a few you in the coming weeks. Article 21826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Wife's Pissed Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:37:46 -0500 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <381DDDFA.D7DDDD19@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21826 Help, a valve on my bottling tank must have not closed all the way. As a result, I have about 2 gallons of honey on my concrete basement floor. (about a 10'x10' area) Of course Mamma is not a happy camper right now. Anyone have any surefire tips for cleaning up QUICKLY and thoroughly. (I think she is reaching for the rolling pin) Help!!!!! Jesse Article 21827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <381DF829.CC589394@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Wife's Pissed References: <381DDDFA.D7DDDD19@bms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:29:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.77.170 X-Trace: news3.atl 941488169 209.214.77.170 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:29:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:29:29 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21827 Scrape as much of it up as you can, then get some warm water and a shop vac.... Better than trying to wipe it up. Hottest water you can get, and vacuum it up. cdlynes Jesse Hunter wrote: > Help, > a valve on my bottling tank must have not closed all the way. As > a result, I have about 2 gallons of honey on my concrete basement > floor. (about a 10'x10' area) Of course Mamma is not a happy > camper right now. Anyone have any surefire tips for cleaning up > QUICKLY and thoroughly. (I think she is reaching for the rolling > pin) Help!!!!! > > Jesse Article 21828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Honey. Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:30:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991101063019.02706.00000931@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21828 >(Would that be right Big Johnson - locally foraged, or would it >be more accurate to say - locally regurgitated - since nectar is >foraged, but honey is regurgitated - or am I all mixed up? What >is a tobacco stick? yep that bee vomit is good eatin !!!! I jus calls it local honey and if'n the hive is within 5-10 miles from where you sneeze then it'll help the allergies !!!! Tobacco stick : 1. a 1x1 piece of wood aprox 5 feet long used to hang the leaves of tobacco in a barn for curing. 2. a 1x1 piece of wood aprox 5 feet long used to beat the hell outa a youngen who is just too tired to keep hanging tobacco today. 3. a 1x1 piece of wood aprox 5 feet long used to simulate a horse during play when ya ain't got the real thing. 4. a ( oh hell you know this part ) used to inflict severe pain and death on snakes found to be inthe top of the barn with you !!! 5. ditto.... you think of it you can just about use a bacco stick fer it. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Usuario_Inves" From: "Usuario_Inves" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: @groWeb se Actualiza en Noviembre Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:25:17 +0100 Lines: 88 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.72.139 Message-ID: <381e142c@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 1 Nov 1999 23:29:00 +0100, 195.5.72.139 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.arrakis.es!195.5.72.139 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21829 sci.agriculture.fruit:3184 sci.agriculture.poultry:17536 sci.agriculture.ratites:1549 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ Entre las Novedades más destacadas están: @groEscuela posee 39 Documentos Técnicos, después de añadir 2 Nuevos: Influencia de la luna en los Cereales Influencia de la luna en el Olivo ----------------------------------------- @groCafé continúa siendo el lugar de debate para los Dos Temas que Tratamos: Trangénicos y Agricultura de Conservación. ----------------------------------------- @groPreguntas se ha convertido en poco tiempo en la sección Estrella para Resolver Cuestiones o Solicitar Información. 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Article 21830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "workerbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Wife's Pissed Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:14:13 -0500 References: <381DDDFA.D7DDDD19@bms.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 1 Nov 1999 22:17:44 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Nov 1 14:25:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust221.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7vl3i8$qpj$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21830 Hot soapy water works real good or open the door and let the bees clean it up. Article 21831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "workerbee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to beekeeping Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:16:20 -0500 References: <381de998_3@news1.vip.uk.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 1 Nov 1999 22:19:51 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Nov 1 14:25:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust221.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7vl3m7$r12$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21831 Well, just tell us where you are in the world. It is always nice to know. petebarrett wrote in message news:381de998_3@news1.vip.uk.com... > Hi. all. > Just thought i would say hi to all fellow beekeepers out there. > I am new to the hobby, half way through a basic beekeepers course. > No bees yet, just learning. I did get to "play" at my local society's > apiary. What an amazing experience. Hope to talk to a few you in the coming > weeks. > > Article 21832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Wife's Pissed Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:35:24 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7vlbl9$1fnq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <381DDDFA.D7DDDD19@bms.com> <7vl3i8$qpj$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-83.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 941502953 48890 209.130.165.83 (2 Nov 1999 00:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1999 00:35:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21832 I was about to suggest the bee thing...but then instead of the rolling pin...it might be a revolver? Good Luck! --Busybee workerbee wrote in message <7vl3i8$qpj$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... >Hot soapy water works real good or open the door and let the bees clean it >up. > > > Article 21833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Wife's Pissed Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 01:02:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7vlbsa$jlk$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <381DDDFA.D7DDDD19@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21833 Jesse Hunter wrote: >Help, >a valve on my bottling tank must have not closed all the way. As >a result, I have about 2 gallons of honey on my concrete basement >floor. (about a 10'x10' area) Of course Mamma is not a happy >camper right now. Anyone have any surefire tips for cleaning up >QUICKLY and thoroughly. (I think she is reaching for the rolling >pin) Help!!!!! >Jesse Wheeeew! I thought for a minute there that he took my advice and used the washing machine for an extractor. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!resonance From: abcdhughes@aero.tamu.edu (Declan Hughes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:53:20 GMT Organization: Tamu/Aero Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: resonance.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1999 00:54:46 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21834 Hello, I would like to remove a wasps nest that is located inside the roof of a home, and accessed through the eaves. The catch is that I have to do it with minimal wasp kill, so I understand that my options are limited to smoking out the critters, then removing the nest if accessible, and finally blocking up the hole. I understand that larvae will die, and the wasps may not have a very happy life after that. My questions are, will any old wood smoke do, and is there a reccommended source of smoke ? The wasps are red/brown (paper wasps ?). Killing wasps is best done at night when they are all at home, but for smoking them the day time should do. I will be dressed like Barney. Thank you, Declan Hughes dhughes@aero.tamu.edu. Article 21835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problem with Yellow Jackets Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:48:40 -0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7vlj86$sd3$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.21.52 X-Server-Date: 2 Nov 1999 02:45:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21835 Here in Lincoln, Ma... I started to feed my hives with 2:1 sugar syrup and had a big problem with Yellow Jacket robbing as well as robbing from one another. It seems like the syrup attracted the yellow jackets. I reduced the entrance quite a bit which seems to have helped. Has anyone tried a yellow jacket trap with some meat or fish in the bottom, something that honeybees would not go after??? any other solutions?? Article 21836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <381E5927.ABFC08AE@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with Yellow Jackets References: <7vlj86$sd3$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:23:19 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.60 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 941512745 206.107.251.60 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:19:05 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:19:05 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21836 Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria wrote: > Has anyone tried a > yellow jacket trap with some meat or fish in the bottom, something that > honeybees would not go after??? any other solutions?? Yo Alan: You betcha. Take either a liter Coke bottle or a gallon milk jug, cut a couple of nickel sized holes about 2/3 of the way up the side, then either hang some meat from the top (run a string through the cap) or dab a bit of jelly (I find raspberry works best for me) inside the jug. Run about 3-4" of water into the jug, add just a dollop of dish detergent and set one of these on each hive top- or spread them around the bee yard - and you will collect prodigious amounts of dead yellow jackets for the compost pile. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 21837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem with Yellow Jackets Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Nov 1999 04:42:52 GMT References: <7vlj86$sd3$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991101234252.04214.00001227@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21837 Hi Alan, I keep the bees down the road from you also in Lincoln... I've been reading up on the yellow jackets since I got stung by one while working a hive and found out I'm allergic. I believe in having as much information as possible about a pest, so I'll pass on what I've learned. The following quote is from a book titled, "Outwitting Critters: A Humane Guide for Confronting Devious Animals and Winning": At the height of the season, new queens and males are produced; they will mate and only the queens will hibernate through the winter. As the weather gets cooler, activity increases in the yellow jacket nest, and the workers concentrate on quick energy, high-sugar foods instead of the proteins they sought earlier in the summer. They're more aggressive late in the season...A cold winter kills a lot of the queens, but after a warm winter, more queens survive and produce many more offspring. From this, I now know two things: 1. Why YJs are so aggressive against bee hives in the fall--Their preference for food changes. 2. We can predict how bad the YJs are going to be in the fall by how mild the previous winter was. Last winter was pretty mild for New England, so now we have more YJs. This winter is shaping up to be pretty warm, so we can expect bigger yellow jacket problems next fall too. Good luck, John Article 21838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Hayes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> Subject: Re: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <5ZtT3.30097$YB4.486743@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.120.21.99 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 941517761 204.120.21.99 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:42:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:42:41 EST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:43:52 -0600 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21838 Declan, If you live in a colder climate the wasps should already be hatched out and gone by now. They are here in southwestern IN, USA. Good Luck. I got nailed five times while taking out a hornet's nest a few years ago. Smarted something fierce. -- flashgh@evansville.net http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 Declan Hughes wrote in message news:7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu... > Hello, > > I would like to remove a wasps nest that is located inside the roof of a... Article 21839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Hayes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vitr7$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Terramycin Mixture Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.120.21.99 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 941518166 204.120.21.99 (Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:49:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:49:26 EST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:50:37 -0600 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21839 Correct me if I'm wrong ( gently :-)> ). I was told a couple of years ago that you don't want to put the terramycin patties directly over the brood itself. The beekeeper suggested putting it on the outside frames of the brood chamber. He said the grease and terramycin could kill the brood. And thanks for the recipe. I haven't had bees for about twoo years and am getting back into beekeeping this next spring, Lord willing. -- flashgh@evansville.net http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 Royal Draper wrote in message news:zWkT3.3342$IJ3.119223@nnrp1.ptd.net... > Use powdered instead of granulated sugar to make it easier to mix the Article 21840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!resonance From: abcdhughes@aero.tamu.edu (Declan Hughes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 05:24:14 GMT Organization: Tamu/Aero Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7vlskl$b6s$1@news.tamu.edu> References: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> <5ZtT3.30097$YB4.486743@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: resonance.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1999 05:25:41 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21840 Gordon, this is near Houston, Texas, so the weather is still fairly warm. Also, I was advised that the wasps might winter here if there is enough heat coming from the house. I was stung twice about three weeks ago, and I was planning to smoke the nest this weekend; it would be convenient if they have departed. Declan Hughes dhughes@aero.tamu.edu In article <5ZtT3.30097$YB4.486743@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>, "Gordon Hayes" wrote: >Declan, > >If you live in a colder climate the wasps should already be hatched out and >gone by now. They are here in southwestern IN, USA. > >Good Luck. I got nailed five times while taking out a hornet's nest a few >years ago. Smarted something fierce. Article 21841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rezzub@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bee stings Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:10:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7vm2q0$d2u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7uhhhc$2lm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <380e4449@eeyore.callnetuk.com> <7ulj51$8cl$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <5oKS3.999$0%7.1474684@nnrp1.proxad.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.107.252.59 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 02 07:10:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 WOFPX1, 1.0 ITB-Carp-Member-3, 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 153.107.252.59 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrezzub Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21841 In article <5oKS3.999$0%7.1474684@nnrp1.proxad.net>, "bernard schmitlin" wrote: > I can confirm that bumble bees do not loose the stinger having been stung > myself by bumble bees of several species. > Bernard Schmitlin. > I was very interested (and impressed!) by Bernard Schmitlin's message. What effects did the bumble bee stings have? Are they similar to honey bee stings? Do different species have stings that differ in potency? If so, which species are the worst? Are bumble bee stings dangerous?! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 21842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.27.155!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:32:45 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7vmi5s$hqe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-102.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 941542396 18254 209.130.165.102 (2 Nov 1999 11:33:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1999 11:33:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21842 Hi Declan, Sounds like you are working on a good plan of action....one question though... Why will you be dressed like Barney? Please explain :-) --Busybee Declan Hughes wrote in message <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu>... > Hello, > > I would like to remove a wasps nest that is located inside the roof of a >home, and accessed through the eaves. The catch is that I have to do it with >minimal wasp kill, so I understand that my options are limited to smoking out >the critters, then removing the nest if accessible, and finally blocking up >the hole. I understand that larvae will die, and the wasps may not have a very >happy life after that. > > My questions are, will any old wood smoke do, and is there a reccommended >source of smoke ? > > The wasps are red/brown (paper wasps ?). Killing wasps is best done at night >when they are all at home, but for smoking them the day time should do. I will >be dressed like Barney. > > Thank you, > > Declan Hughes > dhughes@aero.tamu.edu. Article 21843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vlj86$sd3$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Problem with Yellow Jackets Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:26:26 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 Message-ID: <381ed873@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 2 Nov 1999 07:26:27 -0500, 12.4.231.14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!12.4.231.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21843 I had really good luck using beer in a long neckbottle! I don't think the YJs are concerned about the beer being Draft or Lite! Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria wrote in message news:7vlj86$sd3$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net... > Here in Lincoln, Ma... I started to feed my hives with 2:1 sugar syrup and > had a big problem with Yellow Jacket robbing as well as robbing from one > another. It seems like the syrup attracted the yellow jackets. I reduced the > entrance quite a bit which seems to have helped. Has anyone tried a > yellow jacket trap with some meat or fish in the bottom, something that > honeybees would not go after??? any other solutions?? > > Article 21844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:42:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7vmdrq$p5m$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21844 abcdhughes@aero.tamu.edu (Declan Hughes) wrote: > Hello, > I would like to remove a wasps nest that is located inside the roof of a >home, and accessed through the eaves. The catch is that I have to do it with >minimal wasp kill, so I understand that my options are limited to smoking out >the critters, then removing the nest if accessible, and finally blocking up >the hole. I understand that larvae will die, and the wasps may not have a very >happy life after that. > My questions are, will any old wood smoke do, and is there a reccommended >source of smoke ? > The wasps are red/brown (paper wasps ?). Killing wasps is best done at night >when they are all at home, but for smoking them the day time should do. I will >be dressed like Barney. > Thank you, > Declan Hughes > dhughes@aero.tamu.edu. Make sure your fire insurance is paid up. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 21845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Wife's Pissed Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Nov 1999 11:40:05 GMT References: <7vlbsa$jlk$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991102064005.10564.00000166@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21845 >Jesse > >Wheeeew! I thought for a minute there that he took my >advice and used the washing machine for an extractor. > >Greg the beekeep > heheheheheheheheeeeeeee hahaahahaahaahaahhaaaahaaaaaa hooohohhohhhhohohhhohohhoohhhooo boy you jus plum tic me !!!!!! take ya a flat point shovel and scoop it up into a 5 gal bucket, then jus wash the floor good, mostly cause you is gonna be sleeping on it fer a while !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 21846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!resonance From: abcdhughes@aero.tamu.edu (Declan Hughes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:31:04 GMT Organization: Tamu/Aero Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7vn77h$ctt$2@news.tamu.edu> References: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> <7vmi5s$hqe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7vn746$ctt$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: resonance.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1999 17:32:33 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21846 Busybee, I should have said "dressed like an astronaut". Barney is well protected and that is the effect that I am aiming for. Regards, Declan dhughes@aero.tamu.edu In article <7vmi5s$hqe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: >Hi Declan, > >Sounds like you are working on a good plan of action....one question >though... > >Why will you be dressed like Barney? Please explain :-) > >--Busybee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (please remove anti-spam abc from my return email address) Article 21847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!resonance From: abcdhughes@aero.tamu.edu (Declan Hughes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want To Smoke Out Some Wasps Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:29:16 GMT Organization: Tamu/Aero Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7vn746$ctt$1@news.tamu.edu> References: <7vlcom$k81$1@news.tamu.edu> <7vmi5s$hqe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: resonance.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 1999 17:30:46 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21847 Busybee, I should have said "dressed like an astronaut". Barney is well protected and that is the effect that I am aiming for. Regards, Declan In article <7vmi5s$hqe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: >Hi Declan, > >Sounds like you are working on a good plan of action....one question >though... > >Why will you be dressed like Barney? Please explain :-) > >--Busybee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (please remove anti-spam abcd from my return email address) Article 21848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "petebarrett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: workerbee Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:01:31 -0000 Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <381f35a5_3@news2.vip.uk.com> X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.176.194.174 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.250.101.2 X-Trace: 2 Nov 1999 19:04:06 GMT, 10.250.101.2 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!10.250.101.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21848 Thanks for the message. I am located in bristol England. Thats on the west coast just about in line with Welsh border. Article 21849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7vfig0$ga3$2@news1.Radix.Net> <19991031164034.09845.00000761@ng-cp1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Giant flying varroa mites! Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:17:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 941570275 24.65.109.115 (Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:17:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:17:55 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21849 Dave Green wrote in message news:19991031164034.09845.00000761@ng-cp1.aol.com... > From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) > > >Never mind, it's a swarm of lady bugs! 8>0 > > > >Greg the beekeep > > You sure, Greg? Betcha they're afro-beetles. If they are between 4 and 6 inches big. and make a humming sound, they just might be a Canadian prarie mosquito. Don,t usually see them that far south though. We ususally use a tabacco stick ( imported ) to smack em. Some summers they pick up small dogs to eat later at their pleasure.;) hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries >