Article 30897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Sep 2001 16:14:46 GMT References: <9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010901121446.13049.00002447@mb-dd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30897 Emest W Jennings Died of a Heart attack He had a enlarged heart an gerneralized cardiovascular desease. You can all read it at (www.ctnow.com) ...... Article 30898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Sep 2001 16:16:10 GMT References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010901121610.13049.00002448@mb-dd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30898 Emest E Jennings died form a heart attack. You can read the artical at www.ctnow.com Article 30900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings From: Allen Dick Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.06.22 Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:23:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 999372219 198.161.229.184 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:23:39 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:23:39 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30900 Something we are now realising -- after several good workers suddenly quit after visiting doctors -- is that people are concerned and ignorant about the normal progression of reactions to bee stings. When they start to react, some go to local doctors and get told they are allergic. Of course they believe the doctor, even if the average GP (and some allergists) know little about normal reactions to stings. I'm working on a page to hand to new employees, neighbours, and doctors, etc. so that they are not taken by surprise when they people to swell after having initially had very little reaction. The page I'm building is at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/stings.htm I'd also like to know any good bee sting URLs beyond what I have found and listed there. I'd appreciate constructive comments and criticisms, and of course, when finished the sheet is free for all to share and distribute. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <794ccde.0108270638.2b5bc21e@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:19:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.8.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 999371954 62.252.8.19 (Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:19:14 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:19:14 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30901 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:mminot8v0t7lica8b9gvqhuvq5ie77c1pa@4ax.com... > Point is, no beekeepers should mess with a 'swarm' of bees (well the > newspaper did say 'swarm') without being well protected. I believe > gone are the days when old Clem the mild mannered beekeeper takes a > swarm out of a tree with nothing more than a cardboard box. Not so in the UK, I still take swarms most years (when our summers are warm enough for the bees to swarm !!!!) with just a simple veil thrown over my head and a cardboard box (and an old sheet to tie round the box once the swarm is in), often I do not even need the veil. I cannot remember the last time a bee from a swarm stung me. Ben. Article 30902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:46:30 -0400 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9mtdf9$4465c$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com> <9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999438634 4331692 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30902 I wonder how he got 30 stings on his face, when he supposedly had his full suit and veil on? "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9mo5a2$3cnjk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > The comments below confused me! > Jennings had been working with his bees around 11:30 a.m. Sunday when they > attacked. He had on his protective suit and a "smoker" used to subdue the > bees, but the attack was apparently so massive and aggressive that Jennings > was overwhelmed. > > He tried to escape in his pickup truck to his home a quarter-mile away, but > the bees followed. His wife, who has allergic reactions to bee stings, > attempted unsuccessfully to use a garden hose and insecticides to disperse > the swarm. > > > -- > BeeFarmer > Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > "BeeCrofter" wrote in message > news:20010831082815.13084.00000320@mb-bg.aol.com... > > Well the latest report in the local paper said the bees did not have the > > physical characteristics of AHB . > > Are morphometrics just snake oil ? > > And they await the results of a DNA analysis. > > Toxicology reports are not out nor is a count of the stings.. > > A neighbor is claiming to have seen a swarm take over the hive involved in > the > > attack. > > You can read the article in todays paper at www.theday.com scroll down to > the > > region section on the opening page. > > The big question I have right now involves whether the physical > characteristics > > of a honeybee tell you anything at all about AHB or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Sep 2001 14:17:01 GMT References: <9mtdf9$4465c$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beekeeper killed, what went wrong???? Message-ID: <20010902101701.13025.00000703@mb-bg.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30903 >I wonder how he got 30 stings on his face, when he supposedly had his full >suit and veil on? > > Lay on the ground having a heart attack and see if the veil affords full coverage. Where the veil touches your face the bees have no problem at all stinging. Article 30904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For Scott Moser Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 12:42:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B926F6F.C3EED305@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30904 Scott, I recently lost all my old e-mail (including your address). Earlier this year, you sent me a recipe for candy to put on a bee hive through the winter. Would you please send the recipe again? thanks, Taylor Article 30905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela & Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen supplier website Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:39:29 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9mutti$55q$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbgQ93xr1lf7DvP0N8+qpk2NZpA5pXApDe3K1TR3CVKxzH0JY6KmOk5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 03:37:22 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30905 Folks, A few months ago I stumbled across a site that listed a bunch of queen suppliers broken down by state. I could have sworn I bookmarked it, but now can't find it. Does anyone have any idea what I am refering to, or did something funny get slipped in my smoker that day? Keith Article 30906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Antique honey extractor for sale Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:13:56 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: <9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.05.c8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 3 Sep 2001 04:20:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30906 1935 Superior Lifetime 8 frame reversible. Big. With motor, ran fine ten years ago, extracted many tons of honey on it for years.stored indoors. Near San Francisco. Stand even. Article 30907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!uutiset.saunalahti.fi!not-for-mail From: "deded@eded.df" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feral Hive Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:16:54 +0300 Organization: SAUNALAHDEN asiakas Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9n0of3$iil$1@tron.sci.fi> References: <3b5f5478.92429342@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhols22.adsl.netsonic.fi X-Trace: tron.sci.fi 999548195 19029 194.29.198.22 (3 Sep 2001 20:16:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@saunalahti.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2001 20:16:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2505.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30907 "loot" wrote in message news:3b5f5478.92429342@news... > I'm going to attempt to pull a feral hive from a rotting down shed > this weekend. I'll be using my trusty new homemade bee-vac. I live > in the Deep South. I'm also open to suggestions. Thanks. > > Will Article 30908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 48 Message-ID: <18307-3B93FD30-78@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQBpbTH4y4X7W4g9tkjHAzEF4s5IAIUWyRLzJH9tfduDG7fgYqlE9D8csA= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30908 I enjoy your web site very much and this fact sheet is a wonderful addition. We had an experience several years ago that gave me a quick lesson the difference between being allergic and having a reaction and if you will bear with me, I'd like to share it with you. Back before I learned everything there is to know about beekeeping (^: , all I really knew was that if you weren't wearing shoes and stepped on a honey bee, you would be stung and it would hurt. My daughter was was always getting stung because she hated shoes. She missed a lot of school in her early years because her swollen foot would not fit her shoe. She'd been stung on the face a few times that always caused at least one eye to swell shut (there were a lot of bees back then.) I also knew that you should not step on honey bees because they made honey. I had no idea where or how but somewhere along the line, that bit of knowledge was passed on to me and I passed it on to my children. I will also note that I called them honey bees to differentiate between them and all the other stinging insects that I believed were different kinds of bees. I might add that most people I know believe the same thing and it is near impossible to get anyone to believe any differently. Anyway, several years ago this same daughter, at the tender age of sixteen, stepped on a dead yellow jacket that resulted in a life-threatening allergic reaction. Her first sign of trouble was when hives began to appear on her abdomen and back. This required a trip to the ER and the aid of a team or doctors and nurses to get her irregular heartbeat and breathing difficulties under control not to mention the severe overall itching and pain. To make a long story short she was fine within the hour and left the hospital with an order for an anaphalactic injection kit. She was also advised that if she was every stung again to get to the hospital ASAP because once you have a reaction the next one could be fatal. A couple of years later (while there were still bees in the yard) she was stung again when she stepped one. Needless to say, she was horrified. But guess what, she did not have any reaction at all other than the pain and swelling at the site of the sting. She's been stung by bees since and always with the same results. I am making an assumption here that she is not allergic to bee stings. She hasn't been stung by a yellow jacket or wasp since, but I can only assume that she will have the same allergic reaction if she ever is and have strongly advised her to get (and carry at all times) a new EPI pen every year just in case. Article 30909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 00:43:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999564187 24.17.209.35 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:43:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:43:07 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30909 I hope you try to save the hive. If you're sure the queen is right (you find eggs, larvae, and a decent pattern), it would be great to try to save them. You're talking not very much money for the cost of sugar. Have you considered requeening and giving them a couple of frames from other hives, assuming you have that resource? "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in message news:3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I save > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > what mix? > > -- > Darrell > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > > > Article 30910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Antique honey extractor for sale Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 18:26:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999541580 24.17.209.35 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:26:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:26:20 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30910 What are you asking for the extractor? Sounds like such a great find for someone. "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > 1935 Superior Lifetime 8 frame reversible. Big. > With motor, ran fine ten years ago, extracted many tons of honey on it > for years.stored indoors. > Near San Francisco. Stand even. > Article 30911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software for Beekeeping Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 18:28:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999541704 24.17.209.35 (Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:28:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:28:24 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30911 I'm searching for good software for managing my hives. I've looked at little at Beekeeper 2.0 and the another from an author in Sweden, but his flora list isn't going to do a Georgia beekeeper in the USA any good. Any ideas? Article 30912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-3.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: allen dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:56:55 GMT Lines: 53 Message-ID: <1103_999601015@allen> References: <18307-3B93FD30-78@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-3.internode.net (198.161.229.179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 999601003 5093472 198.161.229.179 (16 [58605]) User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows ME) Opera 5.12 [en] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30912 > A couple of years later (while there were still bees in the yard) she > was stung again when she stepped one. ...she did not have any > reaction at all other... She's been stung > by bees since and always with the same results. > > I am making an assumption here that she is not allergic to bee stings. At the bottom of my page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ , I list a link to Tom Sanford's page on the same subject at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis87/apjul87.htm Tom's page, as always is very factual and well written, but is is a bit technical for the average reader, Nonetheless it is very illuminating, especially in light of a recent beekeeper death discussed here in the past week. I'll quote a small part here: --- begin quote --- Multiple causes of bee sting deaths are the rule, rather than simply anaphylaxis, according to Dr. Rubenstein. Other potential complications besides atherosclerosis include sepsis, cerebral oedema, defibrination syndrome, haemorrhages, emboli and neuroencephalomyelitis variants. The fact that 90% of those who die after a bee sting are over 25, whereas most who sustain allergic reactions are children argues strongly against allergy. Only 12% adults in one set of necropsy findings died of anaphylaxis, 20% had severe and 42% mild atherosclerosis and about one-third had pulmonary oedema. Fright cannot be ruled out, Dr. Rubenstein said, nor can very warm environmental temperature. As he stated: "One may readily see how (1) a hot summer day, plus (2) strenuous exercise, plus (3) coronary atherosclerosis, plus (4) a bee may add up to death, whether or not one invokes an allergic mechanism..." Finally, there is a lack of detailed epidemiological study on systemic reactions, according to Dr. Rubenstein. Often cited studies showed that systemic reactions to bee stings were rather frequent, benign and self- limiting, with a prevalence in the U.S. of 0.4% to 0.8%. The authors of two studies of 8000 boy scouts which produced the above figures found no reason for alarm and did not call the reactions they witnessed either life- threatening or anaphylactic. Another study revealed that prevalence of sustained systemic reactions was no greater in an allergic population than the population at large, again not referring to the those experienced as life- threatening or anaphylactic, and further arguing against an allergic basis. In two more studies where where the combined number of systemic reactions reached over 700, no deaths were reported... ---end quote--- This flies in the face of conventional thought -- both medical and lay -- on bee sting allergies. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B8BF19D.BEF0C42@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Honey at the County Fair Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999611491 65.224.190.102 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:51:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:51:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:48:42 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30913 Congratulations on your Blue Ribbon! Hmmmm - how to thank the bees - seems to me - some nice lavender plants will do the trick??? Lucy "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3B8BF19D.BEF0C42@atlas.localdomain... > This year I didn't get much honey, but it is good. Today, I received a > Blue Ribbon on my amber honey at the county fair here in western North > Carolina. Now, how can I thank those bees? > -- > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin > Article 30914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:00:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999612025 65.224.190.102 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:00:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:00:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 06:57:35 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30914 Very Nice article! It's incredible when people hear you are a beekeeper - 9 times out of 10 the response is "Oh, i'm allergic to bees." Ouch that stings everytime i hear it! Is there a webpage or book available to the public - showing a Yellow Jacket, a Wasp, a bumble bee and a honey bee - in full color? Comparisons? I would appreciate any input! Thank you! Lucy lucychic@earthlink.net "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns910F889B21C2Aallendinternodenet@198.161.156.10... > Something we are now realising -- after several good workers suddenly quit > after visiting doctors -- is that people are concerned and ignorant about > the normal progression of reactions to bee stings. When they start to > react, some go to local doctors and get told they are allergic. Of course > they believe the doctor, even if the average GP (and some allergists) know > little about normal reactions to stings. > > I'm working on a page to hand to new employees, neighbours, and doctors, > etc. so that they are not taken by surprise when they people to swell after > having initially had very little reaction. > > The page I'm building is at > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/stings.htm > > I'd also like to know any good bee sting URLs beyond what I have found and > listed there. I'd appreciate constructive comments and criticisms, and of > course, when finished the sheet is free for all to share and distribute. > > allen > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Article 30915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Steven D. Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming???? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:02:14 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-221.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30915 Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever has experienced this, please let me know. Thank you Steve Article 30916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:39:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.236.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999621545 168.191.236.25 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:39:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:39:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:36:15 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30916 It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? -- Darrell http://www.machinemaster.com "Wayne Hunsucker" wrote in message news:vsVk7.153474$k7.38395431@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com... > I hope you try to save the hive. If you're sure the queen is right (you > find eggs, larvae, and a decent pattern), it would be great to try to save > them. You're talking not very much money for the cost of sugar. > > Have you considered requeening and giving them a couple of frames from other > hives, assuming you have that resource? > > "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in message > news:3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net. .. > > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I save > > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. > > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > > what mix? > > > > -- > > Darrell > > > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Sep 2001 18:31:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fall feeding Message-ID: <20010904143146.14005.00002023@mb-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30917 5lbs of sugar in a gallon jar plus hot water makes spring feed, Come fall you want as much as will dissolve in boiling water about 9 or 10 lbs plus water . Article 30918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@eds.com (Glenn West) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen supplier website Date: 4 Sep 2001 12:48:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <68065404.0109041148.31f68df8@posting.google.com> References: <9mutti$55q$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999632913 27615 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 2001 19:48:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 2001 19:48:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30918 "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote in message news:<9mutti$55q$1@bob.news.rcn.net>... > Folks, > > A few months ago I stumbled across a site that listed a bunch of queen > suppliers broken down by state. I could have sworn I bookmarked it, but now > can't find it. Does anyone have any idea what I am refering to, or did > something funny get slipped in my smoker that day? > > Keith Here's one place ---> http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/index.htm Article 30919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B95745D.CB6E9524@mail.verizon.net> From: "George T. Comeau" Reply-To: gcomeau@suffolk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming???? References: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:37:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.154.16.217 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon2.gnilink.net 999650230 141.154.16.217 (Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:37:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:37:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30919 I have heard that at this time of year the drones are beginning to be kicked out of the hive. I have noticed several days of active drones just dive bombing the entrance and being kicked out agian within a few moments. Sometimes the drones hang out together close to the hive in a rather large group. Maybe this is what is going on. "Steven D. Hagerty" wrote: > Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives > yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores > up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be > a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree > (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It > looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to > encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom > board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar > water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... > they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain > this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever > has experienced this, please let me know. > Thank you > Steve Article 30920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antique honey extractor for sale Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:01:05 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <9n48er$ni8$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9mv0er$pk8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d8.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 5 Sep 2001 04:07:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30920 Don't know what it's worth. Will entertain any offer. Article 30921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:20:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 999696040 66.31.162.165 (Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:20:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:20:40 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30921 > Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > > > It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive > > has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the > > top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a > > board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single > > brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box > > with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half > > full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to > > dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? I use the 5lb bag in a gal jug and fill with hot water for 1:1, which is probably ok for now (though I don't recall where you live... here in Massachusetts, it's ok for a bit more). I've got a whole 3 seasons experience, so temper this advice with that... I would put the other brood box back on, and move one or two brood frames from the first box up into the second to encourage the bees to work up there, and feed, feed, feed. Whatever they can draw out and store honey in for the winter will only help them. When it starts getting colder (daytime 60s) then thicken the syrup up (2:1), but keep feeding as long as the bees can keep flying, at least. -Steve Article 30922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What should I do without You :-) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:27:09 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3b963383$0$254$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.103 X-Trace: 999699331 dread02.news.tele.dk 254 195.249.242.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30922 A big thank you to Waine Hunsucker because he pointed me in some directions of errors, related to the non queenbreader mode that prevented a new hive to be entered. So here goes : new software uploaded at the web http://apimo.dk update is located at http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_up.zip A real expansion to the software is coming up. This combines Bidata with a real accounting software with accounts, items, invoices , currency, budgets and a lot more. I am now working on the items part to make it also a stock item with stock prices and sale prices all together a professional business accounting solution. If you want to have a look at this solution take down the big package and the Update called : http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_account.zip You will need a password for both update archives but you will obtain this for free if you just e-mail me at password@apimo.dk -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 04-09-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 30923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall feeding References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 66 X-Trace: +Lz3Y4DiPdYKI9TVHkBhLEDVXZwjtet3lvXoSeupLZvBmdMUdayAVOR/9HJMM26jhJ6UmWbX3HbJ!/VuvzD7lJxqHzaIZZkEiIfDfbYMf2d75shwuPWYBPqyqH6jo4jS7eDz9AgywtiA1W7HAHwyZ5Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:02:30 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:02:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30923 Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive > has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the > top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a > board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single > brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box > with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half > full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to > dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? > > -- > Darrell > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > "Wayne Hunsucker" wrote in message > news:vsVk7.153474$k7.38395431@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com... > > I hope you try to save the hive. If you're sure the queen > is right (you > > find eggs, larvae, and a decent pattern), it would be > great to try to save > > them. You're talking not very much money for the cost of > sugar. > > > > Have you considered requeening and giving them a couple of > frames from other > > hives, assuming you have that resource? > > > > "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in > message > > > news:3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net. > .. > > > I have a weak hive (it was a small swarm and it rained > > > during every blossom). It has almost no stores. Can I > save > > > it by feeding or should I just get new bees next spring. > > > If feeding, should I use corn syrup or cane sugar and at > > > what mix? > > > > > > -- > > > Darrell > > > > > > http://www.machinemaster.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darrell, There are different recipes. A successful beekeeper that I know says that he fills a quart jar full of cane sugar and then fills the jar with boiling water. He feeds from the front of the hive. I prefer to put an empty super on top and feed inside it. He feeds his bees this mixture 3 times during the winter. He doesn't leave a super of honey above the hive body, but I do. If the winter is very mild, the bees will eat this store and have to be fed. You need to check on them all winter to help them if necessary. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.mntp1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fermented Honey Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:22:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.22.112.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.mntp1.il.home.com 999710539 24.22.112.101 (Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:22:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:22:19 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30924 I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. Ed Hale Article 30925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:45:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 999715540 24.248.135.205 (Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:45:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:45:40 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30925 Is this a good time to feed unusable honey back to the bees? I have about a gallon of honey from last year that may be contaminated with Apistan. If it is what is the best method of feeding it to them? I also have a hive that was a swarm that I got in late spring/early summer, they do not seem to have a lot of winter stores. I would try to feed the honey to them. I am in middle Georgia so there is still time to collect some late stores. David "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:IEpl7.1797$CR2.2367249@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > > Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > > > > > It is my only hive. I captured a swarm late spring. The hive > > > has built up to filling one hive body. Last week I took the > > > top hive box off because it was completely empty. I put a > > > board with a hole that fits a jar lid on top of the single > > > brood box and am feeding sugar. I have an empty super box > > > with a lid covering the sugar water jar. I fill the jar half > > > full of sugar and then fill the jar with hot water to > > > dissolve the sugar. Am I close to the right mix? Article 30926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Repairing elderly extractor Date: 5 Sep 2001 14:10:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.48.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999724244 17949 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2001 21:10:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 2001 21:10:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30926 I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me how to treat it to stop any corrosion? Rob Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hathaway@geneseo.net (Jerry) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamed Honey recipe? Date: 5 Sep 2001 20:26:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.175.26.246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999746791 23687 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2001 03:26:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 03:26:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30927 Hello all, I would like to try to make some cinnamon flavored creamed honey this year but have no idea how much cinnamon to add per gallon. I understand that this may be up to personal taste but I am not sure how much to start with. Are there any good web sites or other creamed honey recipes you could share with me? Thanks, Jerry Article 30928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:05:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 999785105 66.31.162.165 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:05 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30928 "David" wrote in message news:opul7.147956$w5.13346543@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > Is this a good time to feed unusable honey back to the bees? I have about a > gallon of honey from last year that may be contaminated with Apistan. As long as there are no supers on, you can feed this back to them. > If it is what is the best method of feeding it to them? I would say thin it out a little with water and feed it as you would sugar syrup. > I also have a hive that was a swarm that I got in late spring/early summer, > they do not seem to have a lot of winter stores. I would try to feed the > honey to them. > I am in middle Georgia so there is still time to collect some late stores. Good idea - again, no supers on while you're feeding Apistan-ized honey. -Steve Article 30929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Date: 6 Sep 2001 15:52:49 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 23 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com) Message-ID: <9n864h$p5b$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 999791569 25771 66.24.21.168 (6 Sep 2001 15:52:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 15:52:49 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30929 Not sure where you are, but wait until the end of the season, when most of the flowers are gone, but the bees are still flying, and set it out for them to rob out. It won't be wasted. If you are concerned about this instigating robbing of other colonies, then instead, set the super of honey on the floor of a strong colony, beneath the brood chamber, and they will recycle the old honey and move it up for winter stores. In early spring the super will be empty, or just about, and you can remove it then before the queen produces brood in it. In article , edhale2@home.com says... > >I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is >fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? >Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. > >Ed Hale > > > Article 30930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Date: 6 Sep 2001 16:19:36 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9n87mo$36q$0@65.201.241.3> References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.3 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30930 On 5 Sep 2001 14:10:43 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. >It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the >suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some >sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated >steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me >how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > >Rob >Edinburgh, Scotland Can't tell you were to find it, but I would use a food safe paint or epoxy. 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Kind regards, Joseph Crnicki, editor news@focusbest.net Article 30932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3vUg7.3220$OG4.316432@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3B95AC0C.972A4D01@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Fall feeding Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:39:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 999815958 24.248.135.205 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:39:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:39:18 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30932 Steve Thank you for the reminder to remove the supers before feeding the Apistan tainted honey. I have only one super on the hive at the moment and they have very little in it at the moment, I need to check the brood chamber to see how they are doing down there. I was planning to leave the super for them for the winter. David Steve Huston wrote in message news:loLl7.2715$CR2.2888578@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > "David" wrote in message > news:opul7.147956$w5.13346543@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > As long as there are no supers on, you can feed this back to them. > > > I would say thin it out a little with water and feed it as you would sugar > syrup. > > > Good idea - again, no supers on while you're feeding Apistan-ized honey. > > -Steve Article 30933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:42:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 999816172 24.248.135.205 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:42:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:42:52 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30933 Would a bath tub/sink resurfacing kit work? I think it is some type of epoxy material. David Rob Graham wrote in message news:700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com... > I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. > It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the > suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some > sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated > steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me > how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > > Rob > Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming???? Date: 6 Sep 2001 16:42:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0109061542.71e2fd7b@posting.google.com> References: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999819737 10649 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2001 23:42:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2001 23:42:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30934 It could have been a swarm, although late in the season for many northern locations. If for some reason the queen doesn't fly out with the swarm, they will eventually return to the hive. Nuc. "Steven D. Hagerty" wrote in message news:<9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com>... > Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives > yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores > up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be > a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree > (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It > looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to > encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom > board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar > water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... > they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain > this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever > has experienced this, please let me know. > Thank you > Steve Article 30935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B981D7B.AFC48D2F@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:06:04 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 999824292 206.231.24.248 (Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:58:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:58:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30935 A.I. Root company used to sell a paintable coating for extractoer and honey tanks called cam cote. I uaed it on an old galvanized 4 frame extractor. Did the job quite nicely. Rob Graham wrote: > I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. > It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the > suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some > sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated > steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me > how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > > Rob > Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dark Hive? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 X-Trace: /wq5/b+CyaYxcVAWZiWG4bHhqIjnf7OUOq5rvH6bUrs/9J2DFA9w3mss4D2eQbNeTea0tGCeN8ZI!C9As5UIqo7BbXCkOyiphtFsY/Xo3DSDmR1/1I+6w+ziuLg0hzN7CEEaP7mZc7w8YECrUxfBLJw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:07:16 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:07:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30936 Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 or 6 years old. Thanks. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: glena@cruzio.com (Glen Appleby) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Commute Chronicles Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:06:36 GMT Organization: Dirt Devil's Home of FREE EATS Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3b992785.5220892@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <9natj5$pi@u1.netgate.net> <3B9909A3.88485655@123.com> <9nb4n0$771@u1.netgate.net> <3B99228A.C1345745@123.com> <9nbaqi$c79@u1.netgate.net> Reply-To: glena@cruzio.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-565.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30937 On 7 Sep 2001 13:31:14 -0700, in ba.mountain-folk,geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) wrote: >knobsauce writes: > >> Self-absorbed crank in car behind, thinks only of himself and how >> much women bunch his undies all the time. > >> his solution - dream of rape and torture > >Golly-gee-willikers, you don't even know me, and yet you're assured >enough to describe me as a "self-absorbed crank." Pretty amazing >stuff. Just to clarify for the reading audience, perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us exactly what type of crank you are. You know -- just as a public service. >Speaking of cranks, I have one that needs kissing. Ob Geoff Miller: But mind the teeth. (sorry, when I see a good one, I seldom forget it) >> There really is no one in the world but you, is there? And Geoff slips into his Tim May cape, crotchless panties and tights, and says: >If the rest of the world doesn't watch its collective step, there >soon won't be. Now, would that be nukes or a slow, painful death by boredom? Knowing you, I have trouble imagining the second. Glen (hang on -- lemme get my shades on) Appleby "Who we are and who we become depends, in part, on who we love." -- "A General Theory Of Love" Thanks, Mom ______________________________________________________________ Glen Appleby glena@armory.com Article 30938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raising Queens Lines: 17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:22:20 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-BbG/y9y016l/hPvQLsiMDc0PW3woarvGCD2sKqA5QlN/+HhqzMMts5Ww24yOiiJbHAnd0SlrCzwZ6dS!aPuyff0QU6TXqr5jCTiSWvBZ2QGLIoszFSZd/6GYlnRU9w1ZmnYo8P2npT0776iQ5hVbtv1e4gkU!EhV6RsiYWtG1ESpvmA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:22:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30938 I tried this on another group, but didn't get much response. Maybe I'll have better luck here. I sure hope so. :-) It'll be time to requeen soon here in west Texas. I would like to try to breed my own queens. I've heard of some different kits that are available, but don't know which one is the best for me. I'm fairly new at this whole thing, but am working towards commercial beekeeping. Currently, I only have 10 hives, but will be building to 300 as soon as possible. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments on the best way to raise my own queens and what kit or technique to use. Thanks Mark Horse sense is just stable thinking. Article 30939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!nntp.cadvision.com!207.228.64.17.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: "K. 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For more information please call: Westcan Business Development Corp. 265-16 Midlake Blvd, SE Calgary, AB T2X 2X7 Canada Toll Free: (888) 447-FARM (3276) Phone: (403) 201-7713 Fax: (403) 201-7719 info@westcan.ab.ca Article 30940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.newsreader.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raising Queens Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 01:15:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3b997107.449149275@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30940 On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:22:20 GMT, "Me" wrote: >I tried this on another group, but didn't get much response. Maybe I'll >have better luck here. I sure hope so. :-) > >It'll be time to requeen soon here in west Texas. I would like to try to >breed my own queens. I've heard of some different kits that are available, >but don't know which one is the best for me. I'm fairly new at this whole >thing, but am working towards commercial beekeeping. Currently, I only have >10 hives, but will be building to 300 as soon as possible. I would >appreciate any suggestions or comments on the best way to raise my own >queens and what kit or technique to use. > >Thanks >Mark > >Horse sense is just stable thinking. > > Before you invest that kind of money why don't you go work for a queen breeder for a year? beekeep Article 30941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raising Queens Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 03:10:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 999918635 4.33.104.69 (Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:10:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:10:35 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:06:54 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30941 "Me" wrote: >It'll be time to requeen soon here in west Texas. I would like to try to >breed my own queens. I've heard of some different kits that are available, >but don't know which one is the best for me. I'm fairly new at this whole >thing, but am working towards commercial beekeeping. Currently, I only have >10 hives, but will be building to 300 as soon as possible. I would >appreciate any suggestions or comments on the best way to raise my own >queens and what kit or technique to use. Grafting is a very low cost and easy-to-learn method, but the Jenter queen rearing kit is the best among the kits that I've seen. It available from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm. A page on my web site (link below) gives an overview on how to use the Jenter kit. Whether using a kit or grafting, a good book on queen rearing would be an excellent investment. One of my favorites is "Rearing Queen Honey Bees" by Roger Morse. Also, Marla Spivak has a short video and book combination titled "Successful Queen Rearing" that I highly recommend (available through U. of Minnesota). Best wishes for your queen rearing! John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> From: Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What kind of bee is this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:57:11 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.180.94.252 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 999925031 209.180.94.252 (Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:57:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:57:11 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30942 I am in my first year as a hobby bee keeper and have just opened my eyes to the bee world. Until this year I had never noticed a beautiful bee with an orange stripe across its abdomen. What kind of bee is it? You can see two photos I took of one at the following link. http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&UV=485044652241_77911080203&US=0&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3FshowSlide%3Dtrue%26m%3D15871080203%26n%3D668513700&Un=668513700&Um=15871080203&collid=97361080203 Thanks Rich Article 30944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 12:44:48 GMT References: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Message-ID: <20010908084448.24277.00000449@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30944 Is the orange stripe the bee or it's pollen load? Article 30945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 12:43:32 GMT References: <5564f45f.0109072157.1ffd1ba9@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: drones this late Message-ID: <20010908084332.24277.00000448@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30945 > but at the >same time I saw a lot of sealed drone brood! What is this >mean, A strong healthy colony. Some prosperous colonies even carry some drones right on through winter. I bet you still have a goldenrod/aster/knotweed/clematis flow Article 30946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 14:03:10 GMT References: <20010908084332.24277.00000448@mb-cb.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: drones this late Message-ID: <20010908100310.09598.00000664@mb-fa.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30946 Hi, Yes here in south central wisconsin we have hills and corners just covered in goldenrod. The purple losestrife is going strong as well. Cheers, Dave Article 30947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: zadigvolta@aol.comnojunk (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 14:39:00 GMT References: <20010908100310.09598.00000664@mb-fa.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: drones this late Message-ID: <20010908103900.08827.00000405@mb-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30947 If the presence of drones continues on past the normal "expulsion period" then the presence/condition of your queen becomes suspect. Check for the presence of day old eggs. Being a swarm, it may have had the "old" queen from the previous hive and she may be failing or dead. You could just unite the colony with another if there is a problem. Article 30948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sdd.hp.com!news-west.eli.net!telocity-west!TELOCITY!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9n864h$p5b$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <0_qm7.179996$k7.42563510@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:40:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.17.209.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 999963644 24.17.209.35 (Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:40:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:40:44 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30948 Or--you could make some mead with it. "JG in NY" wrote in message news:9n864h$p5b$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu... > Not sure where you are, but wait until the end of the season, when most of the > flowers are gone, but the bees are still flying, and set it out for them to > rob out. It won't be wasted. > > If you are concerned about this instigating robbing of other colonies, then > instead, set the super of honey on the floor of a strong colony, beneath the > brood chamber, and they will recycle the old honey and move it up for winter > stores. In early spring the super will be empty, or just about, and you can > remove it then before the queen produces brood in it. > > > In article , edhale2@home.com > says... > > > >I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is > >fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? > >Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. > > > >Ed Hale > > > > > > > Article 30949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drones this late Date: 7 Sep 2001 22:57:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0109072157.1ffd1ba9@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999928652 3152 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 05:57:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 05:57:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30949 Greetings everyone! I need a little help here. I am in south-central Wisconsin, I was pulling frames out yesterday and in one of my hives with a very large population (it is a late April beginning of May swarm) I found sealed brood (expected) but at the same time I saw a lot of sealed drone brood! What is this mean, this late in the season? Thank you for your help! Fr. Athanasios Article 30950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B926F6F.C3EED305@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: For Scott Moser Lines: 18 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:02:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.157.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 999972266 159.134.157.158 (Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:04:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 19:04:26 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30950 Hi One part water to five parts sugar, dissolve and then bring up to 234 degrees Fahrenheit , take it off the heat and cool stirring until it just starts to go cloudy, pour into mould quickly as it sets rapidly. Ruary Rudd Taylor Francis wrote in message news:3B926F6F.C3EED305@yahoo.com... > Scott, I recently lost all my old e-mail (including your address). > > Earlier this year, you sent me a recipe for candy to put on a bee hive > through the winter. Would you please send the recipe again? > > thanks, > Taylor Article 30951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!not-for-mail From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 18:59:04 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 18 Sender: jwg6@cornell.invalid (on syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com) Distribution: world Message-ID: <9ndppo$36l$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: syr-66-24-21-168.twcny.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 999975544 3285 66.24.21.168 (8 Sep 2001 18:59:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 18:59:04 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30951 Hi there, Louise. Hope your bees are faring well. In article <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>, louise@atlas.localdomain says... > >Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into >our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and >found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 >or 6 years old. ("racks" = Presume you mean COMBS, or frames, in common beekeeping terminology. [There are other beekeeping implements called racks -- completely different. Not to bee too nit-picky, but...]) Answer is "Yes!" Brood combs darken, from yellow to brown, to black, with age. 5 or 6 years? (How you been inspecting this colony over time?) It's no problem -- they should be pretty dark by now. SO everything is A - OK. Article 30952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 19:52:34 GMT References: <0_qm7.179996$k7.42563510@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Message-ID: <20010908155234.25089.00000567@mb-mc.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30952 Don't make mead with your honey that has gone off, use the best honey your bees can produce. Do you really want to invest a year or more of your time waiting for a product started with less than optimum ingrediants? As for fermented honey it is not considered to be good bee feed in the fall because it contains materials the bees will have to eliminate. You would do better feeding it in the spring when the bees have the ability to make cleansing flights daily. Feed em sugar syrup in the fall if they need feeding. Article 30953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2001 19:53:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: For Scott Moser Message-ID: <20010908155345.25089.00000568@mb-mc.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30953 just remember 1 2 3 4 5 1 and 5 are ingrediants 234 is the temp Article 30954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 20:53:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3b9a84f3.519781381@news1.radix.net> References: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30954 On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:57:11 -0600, Rich wrote: >I am in my first year as a hobby bee keeper and have just opened my eyes >to the bee world. Until this year I had never noticed a beautiful bee >with an orange stripe across its abdomen. What kind of bee is it? You >can see two photos I took of one at the following link. > >http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&UV=485044652241_77911080203&US=0&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3FshowSlide%3Dtrue%26m%3D15871080203%26n%3D668513700&Un=668513700&Um=15871080203&collid=97361080203 > >Thanks >Rich > It is the Red-tailed Bumble Bee (Bombus ternarius) beekeep Article 30955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drones this late Date: 8 Sep 2001 15:27:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0109081427.65d91dc@posting.google.com> References: <5564f45f.0109072157.1ffd1ba9@posting.google.com> <20010908084332.24277.00000448@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999988037 14609 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 22:27:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 22:27:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30955 > A strong healthy colony. > Some prosperous colonies even carry some drones right on >through winter. I bet you still have a goldenrod/aster/ >knotweed/clematis flow Many thanks to all for all the responses!! Yes we do have a *lot* goldenrod around here now! Fr. Athanasios Article 30956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 16:55:05 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0109081555.dca3aa3@posting.google.com> References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.73.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999993305 15888 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 23:55:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 23:55:05 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30956 Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>... > Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > or 6 years old. > >It is normal for combs to darken over time especially brood combs, I would suggest that when your next season starts that you remove one or two old dark combs and get the bees to draw out new ones, queens much prefer clean combs and it also helps to keep down disease. ultimately get rid of all the old combs and get new ones drawn out. take care and stay lucky albert. Article 30957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 16:59:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0109081559.1ead5603@posting.google.com> References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.73.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999993572 15922 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2001 23:59:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2001 23:59:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30957 Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>... > Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > or 6 years old. > > Thanks. It is normal for brood combs to darken over time, six years is i reckon a bit long to keep such combs. when your next season starts remove one or two old combs and get the bees to draw out new ones. aim to get them all changed over a couple of years.Queens much prefer to clean combs to lay in and apart from it helping to keep disease down, its also easier to see eggs. take care and stay lucky albert Article 30958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? Date: 8 Sep 2001 17:59:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.138.243.227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 999997143 16557 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2001 00:59:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2001 00:59:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30958 Howdy Louise -- You got a good answer from JG concerning the dark combs, but I am concerned about your saying the colony is inactive. Did you find only a few bees? Any brood? This seems to be the critical question. Pete ************************************************************ Article 30959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey robber ??? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: 9ngR4xBheTNgzFhj2JsX+//CgQzJ61dcJoNQJUU33mm+g7tl1wXWvS/FPuQDN0kRJRZCOXCkfUCF!DvAf6JNjZqozp5hNLHZK1SPvoipfv0IXcUO0Pszt/xZYujY2PUsQFEd84D52a/ESIFd71wIsLyt7!oMtSNXVAqC4jP7+qOQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:46:41 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:46:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30959 I have a bottle of honey robber that I bought 2 years ago and it doesn't seem to be working too well. Does it lose its potency? Guess i will shake and brush tomorrow...Yikes. btw temp was in high 60's may be part of it i suppose. Joe Article 30960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: colin@smile-plastics.co.uk (colin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bayverol and verroa Date: 9 Sep 2001 06:46:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.32.143.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000043193 25192 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2001 13:46:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2001 13:46:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30960 Some years ago my company manufactured plastic sheeting which included various insect control chemicals. An essential element of these was that the chemical should migrate to the outside of the plastic from whence it could evaporate and control the insects (and other creatures).The time taken for all the active ingredient to migrate to the surface and to evaporate depended on the concentration in the plastic, the temperature and the nature of the plastic itself. So, my query is, why are Bayverol and similar strips not made so that all the active ingredients migrate and evaporate over, say, two life cycles of the mite. We are advised to remove the strips after six weeks in the hive, but why not make them so that they are no longer active after this time so that 'forgetful' beekeepers don't help build up an immunity in the mites.Furthermore, it reduces the number of times that the hive needs to be opened, as you could remove them the following spring. Second question re Bayverol. Has any work been published on the most effective place to put the strips ? I know that we are recommended to slide them between brood frames, but as ventilation and circulation of air is pretty efficient in a hive, would they act just as well if laid on the top of and across the frames so that each frame is exposed to the chemical? Article 30961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:00:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <6s0nptoutl5e2fbu9oa6n1ifd2tkidbg90@4ax.com> References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30961 The Walter T. Kelly Company sells a clear plastic you can paint on for just this reason. I cannot find my catalog right this minute, so I cannot give you the telephone munber. I think it runs around $9.00 a quart. On 5 Sep 2001 14:10:43 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >I have a vintage 18 frame extractor which is in need of maintenance. >It's at least 60 years old and appears to have been made by one of the >suppliers to the whisky industry in the north of Scotland so has some >sentimental value as well. It works fine but the drum is tin-plated >steel and the tin is almost non-existent now. Can anyone advise me >how to treat it to stop any corrosion? > >Rob >Edinburgh, Scotland You know what to delete from the email address to respone directly to me. Article 30962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bayverol and verroa Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:08:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.216.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1000058891 62.255.216.163 (Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:08:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:08:11 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30962 On 9 Sep 2001 06:46:33 -0700, colin@smile-plastics.co.uk (colin) wrote: > would they act just as well if laid >on the top of and across the frames so that each frame is exposed to >the chemical? AFAIK, the bees need to be able to walk over them for them to be effective. BICBW. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey robber ??? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: 9ngR+y4PX15YR7Y7MVlqGPJkfkiA5zW+xkwutScRBgFd/fqX/rjijEHbcurqY1TH6Rwf19IuGRcX!lcZROw93GS3BAb5ofwki6dzMslZNxWOL6Gg276dQ7h/w3Wk7gX2z09/uY0rp1UyFimR/7xF6Fcja!4Wm1R/zprc/MLgSL X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:13:13 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:13:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30963 Never mind....warm afternoon did the trick...infact one hive reacted so well....they poored out the bottom as if someone sounded the swarm alrarm....oops Joe Article 30964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Sep 2001 00:45:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Mini mating nuc plans Message-ID: <20010909204501.20890.00000296@mb-mb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30964 Does anyone know where I might find plans for a Mini mating nuc? Thanx, Jim Article 30965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010909204501.20890.00000296@mb-mb.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mini mating nuc plans Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 02:07:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1000087625 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:07:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:07:05 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30965 Try this address: http://www.beesource.com/plans/ David Nopcme wrote in message news:20010909204501.20890.00000296@mb-mb.aol.com... > Does anyone know where I might find plans for a Mini mating nuc? > Thanx, > Jim Article 30966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C22C1.F927C9AE@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey robber ??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:17:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 1000087821 206.231.24.57 (Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:10:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:10:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30966 Try painting your fumeboards black. They will work better on cool days if the sun is out. BearLc wrote: > Never mind....warm afternoon did the trick...infact one hive reacted so > well....they poored out the bottom as if someone sounded the swarm > alrarm....oops > > Joe Article 30967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B9CFC43.629F2986@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:45:39 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: So far so good in S.E.IL. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.20 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1000136422 66.20.225.20 (10 Sep 2001 10:40:22 -0500) Lines: 21 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30967 After a dry spell this summer, the S.E.corner of IL has rec'd several nice showers and the Goldenrod is blooming like crazy. Many other assorted wildflowers are in abundance but the goldenrod is more lush and plentiful than I have seen in a long long time. The bees are in a feeding frenzy. Hopefully this bodes well for good survival rates this winter. Someone posted a comment not long ago about placing a super under the hive during the winter to provide food *below* the brood where the queen would be laying. The idea being since the cluster moves up during the winter, this would reduce the chances of the queen laying the the supers and the workers would bring the food up as needed. I don't recall seeing a response to this approach but it sounds plausible. Any comments? AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C314F.5A6CDD06@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 X-Trace: /wLwTfHQcO9h3ojvuh8lg6CbvVtNqXwPhCz1U53BredGquACKpK4QwY2FnQYRuNOqMgDckw7XiPP!AS2trcc+KwLaDhzm9UsvMtxvew67jXgxG+z/5Y0G6tlPqh0or/b4FjVNMbxXYbee0w35Rkidpw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:03 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30968 Pete wrote: > > Howdy Louise -- > > You got a good answer from JG concerning the dark combs, but I am concerned > about your saying the colony is inactive. Did you find only a few bees? > Any brood? This seems to be the critical question. > > Pete > ************************************************************ Pete, I will check the hive more closely this week and report on what I find out. I have started feeding this hive with sugar water and they are drinking fast. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C30C7.1C8600A4@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> <4169b71c.0109081555.dca3aa3@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 X-Trace: /Kw5eGgqpIYNxq8FiIquB56n8+XgtWj5dkcHDLNvjPkmUNNqW/SLiR2wtbGIkYDXCCfetjPLqd4l!uIsBpisAzMCWLgzN8bTn1Q/caFYMz0drBq7HqaNHBx3sQVtGupTv5hC6uZQWVkdpnnPg3LflPw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:00 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:05:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30969 albert cannon wrote: > > Louise Adderholdt wrote in message news:<3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>... > > Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > > our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > > found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > > or 6 years old. > > > >It is normal for combs to darken over time especially brood combs, > I would suggest that when your next season starts that you remove one or two > old dark combs and get the bees to draw out new ones, queens much prefer clean > combs and it also helps to keep down disease. ultimately get rid of all the > old combs and get new ones drawn out. > > take care and stay lucky > albert. Thanks, Albert. Should I start from the outside frames? Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 30970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B9C307F.F4DC0743@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dark Hive? References: <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain> <9ndppo$36l$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 X-Trace: /K+neRuosUQxBWEhG4oovwCyzxur9SwPebE/KlFtq1UDWaoD6DyAKGHKKuCRJdGmc5e2mKBHmC0R!hySMgLYBrl8J2xD4cfvOkY6G3uTjFs1/JSkyNLqoLv5qmfphRwAto40A4HD1bNhyKsj93Wth7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:04:59 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:04:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30970 JG in NY wrote: > > Hi there, Louise. Hope your bees are faring well. > > In article <3B98C5BA.C4A8CE44@atlas.localdomain>, louise@atlas.localdomain > says... > > > >Yesterday, a friend and I put the Apistan strips and menthol packs into > >our hives. One hive seems very inactive. I checked the hive body and > >found several racks that were VERY dark; is this natural? The hive is 5 > >or 6 years old. > > ("racks" = Presume you mean COMBS, or frames, in common beekeeping > terminology. [There are other beekeeping implements called racks -- completely > different. Not to bee too nit-picky, but...]) > > Answer is "Yes!" Brood combs darken, from yellow to brown, to black, with > age. 5 or 6 years? (How you been inspecting this colony over time?) It's no > problem -- they should be pretty dark by now. SO everything is A - OK. Yes, I do inspect the hives, but not so thoroughly in the brood chamber, in fear of damaging the queen and the brood. Thanks for the info (and the correction about the 'racks.' I do know the difference; I should have said 'frames'). Louise Article 30971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Sep 2001 18:42:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mini mating nuc plans Message-ID: <20010910144204.08444.00000915@mb-mn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30971 Those plans are for a 5 frame nuc. I'm interested in a Mini mating nuc- Jim Article 30972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Processing cappings Date: 10 Sep 2001 14:06:07 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.40.156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000155967 18897 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2001 21:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2001 21:06:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30972 After 40 years of very laid back country garden bee keeping, I've never really solved the problem of what to do with cappings. I heat them up gently to get as much honey out of them as possible and then they tend to get stuck in a honey bucket as I'm never convinced that there is enough honey left in them to make it worth while feeding the mass back to the bees. And then what is the best way to do it - an open container in the hive creates all sorts of problems and an old feeder doesn't really have the volume - so what do other keepers do? Rob Article 30973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Proper way to do sugar roll???? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:42:34 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30973 What is the proper way to test for varroa with the sugar roll method and at what level would your treat??? Joe -- ===================================== http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/joe.html ===================================== Article 30974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa monitoring technique Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:29:06 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <9nji91$7ue$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.148 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30974 Try this web site: http://entomology.unl.edu/beekpg/tidings/btid2000/btdjan00.htm#Article2 Article 30975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Processing cappings Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:38:16 -0700 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-144.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b9d5b45@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 10 Sep 2001 17:31:01 -0700, tc1-144.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!newspeer.cts.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-144.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30975 I'm strickly a hobbyist with a couple of hives, but I strain my extracted honey through a mesh bag I got at the paint store. After extracting, I add the cappings & let it drain over a bucket for a day. Then I dump the whole sticky mess out on a sheet of cardboard about 100' from the hive. I don't see any real evidence of robbing although I'll lose a few bees to fights over the honey (a dozen or two). Then I've got clean cappings to make candles from. Ken Rob Graham wrote in message <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com>... I've >never really solved the problem of what to do with cappings... Article 30976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: roseybeeapiary@aol.com (ROSEY BEE APIARY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2001 00:37:02 GMT References: <20010910144204.08444.00000915@mb-mn.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mini mating nuc plans Message-ID: <20010910203702.00441.00000119@mb-bh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30976 Try checking at www.equinoxbeestudio.com--I believe that in 1999 or 2000 he had plans in an ABJ article. Tim Morris Article 30977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How's it been for you this summer ? Date: 11 Sep 2001 14:22:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <700de225.0109111322.f0bfdfb@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.74.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000243372 4801 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2001 21:22:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2001 21:22:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30977 Well its been a funny summer here near Edinburgh in Scotland as we haven't really had a summer. There was a great fortnight in May when we all got out as much as possible but since then the number of days when it got hot enough to enjoy sitting out have been very few and there's been quite a lot of rain. So beekeeping was very 'let alone' for my 2 hives; there was no likelihood of any swarms and having checked them out in April, they've been left alone with a bit of a worry in the back of my mind that perhaps they might need feeding - its been that wet a summer. Hey but no - I just don't understand bees even after 40 years - there's stacks of honey; 90 pounds off the two hives and its all run honey, no setting in the comb. Obviously just the sort of year when you wish you had more hives ! But I can't understand why its been so good - do I want to understand when I can't really influence it anyway ? How about other people? How has it been elsewhere? Rob Edinburgh, Scotland Article 30978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repairing elderly extractor Date: 11 Sep 2001 14:09:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <700de225.0109111309.12b65e1c@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0109051310.442fbbd7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.74.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000242551 4603 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2001 21:09:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2001 21:09:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30978 Thanks to all who helped although I'm no further forward - one of the problems being in UK and most of the sources of materials suggested being in the US. I'm sure that I'll find the answer somewhere on the internet, its just a matter of where. Rob Article 30979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proper way to do sugar roll???? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:10:48 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:15:36 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30979 Here is the article from our newsletter http://entomology.unl.edu/beekpg/tidings/btid2000/btdjan00.htm#Article2 IN NEBRASKA we treat when when there are > 8 mites on the sugar shake .. we are using Coumaphos for 2 years due to high mite resistance to Apistan. Your location and number of mites may very .. your state inspector can give you the exact number. Dave On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:42:34 -0700, "BeArLc" wrote: >What is the proper way to test for varroa with the sugar roll method and at >what level would your treat??? > >Joe Article 30980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: zadigvolta@aol.comnojunk (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2001 13:19:43 GMT References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Processing cappings Message-ID: <20010911091943.08912.00000945@mb-cl.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30980 Rob, Just add "enough" clean water to the fresh cappings, strain the cappings and keep the water and allow it to ferment. Some years, it makes quite a load of "mead". Then put the cappings in a solar wax melter, later exchange the wax at Kelly and Co. in Kentucky for wax foundation. Joe in MA. Article 30981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Processing cappings Date: 11 Sep 2001 14:04:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <700de225.0109111304.557a36c5@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.74.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000242248 4525 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2001 21:04:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2001 21:04:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30981 Thanks guys - that's good suggestions all round and they both solve the problem from totally different directions and with very different end results :>) Rob Article 30982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010912083345.01446.00000004@mb-ft.aol.com> Subject: Re: nosema Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:00:27 -0700 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-158.reachone.com Message-ID: <3ba00356@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 12 Sep 2001 17:52:38 -0700, tc1-158.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-in.superfeed.net!nntp2.savvis.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-158.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30982 It's what I use & what was recommended by my state apiarist. Don't know of any cons. Pros are that it's easy to add to the spring syrup. I don't treat for nosema in the fall. POTENTS wrote >thinking of treating for nosema with fumadil b > >please give me the pros and cons Article 30983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!sac.uu.net!osa.uu.net!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do with queenless colony? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:35:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1000236900 66.31.162.165 (Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:35:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:35:00 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30983 I'm looking for advice from experienced folks... I'm in Massachusetts, US. I have 4 colonies; one of them (very strong) swarmed mid-August (big swarm) - that colony is now queenless. There are a fair number of bees still there, though they are mean as hell. I ordered a queen that was to ship today... that's not going to happen due to the attack on the US. So, I need to decide what to do. My ideas: 1. Give a frame of eggs from another colony to the queenless one and let them make a new queen. My concern is that it'll be mid-October before I get a mated queen, and that's getting late. 2. Combine them with another colony - one of the other 3 queen-right colonies is medium-strength and could benefit from being combined. This queen-right one is New World Carniolan, and the queen-less one is Russian... any problems trying to combine them? 3. Wait til next week and hope that air travel clears and I can get a queen shipped. What would you do and why? Thanks! -Steve Article 30984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What to do with queenless colony? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:21:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1000347696 66.31.162.165 (Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:21:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:21:36 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30984 Thanks for your suggestions Pete and BeeCrofter! I gave them a frame with eggs this afternoon... if they don't do something useful with it, they get combined. -Steve Article 30985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Sep 2001 12:33:45 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: nosema Message-ID: <20010912083345.01446.00000004@mb-ft.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30985 thinking of treating for nosema with fumadil b please give me the pros and cons cheers pete Article 30986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with queenless colony? Date: 12 Sep 2001 08:17:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.171.215.29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000307839 17162 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2001 15:17:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 15:17:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30986 Howdy Steve -- I vote for #1 -- you might have a young queen which has not started laying yet. From mid August to now is barely 3 weeks. Sometimes it takes longer than that for the young queen to start laying, especially late in the year when the slow-down has started. You can tell in a few days whether they start Q cells on the comb with eggs you give them. If they do start Q cells, you can let them grow a queen or to combine with another colony. If you have to combine, I suggest that you put the queenright colony on TOP over paper. Pete Article 30987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2001 20:36:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What to do with queenless colony? Message-ID: <20010911163602.06052.00001158@mb-cp.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30987 If you do not have laying workers (look for drone caps on worker size cells ormultiple eggs per cell) Take the colony and give it's boxes to your strong colonies uniting by the newspaper method. Come spring make some splits of the hives wintering with extra boxes. Even though we are having a bit of a flow in the northeast feeding never hurt. Article 30988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010912083345.01446.00000004@mb-ft.aol.com> <3ba00356@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: nosema Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:53:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.97 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000356826 32.100.218.97 (Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:53:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:53:46 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30988 Hi I Had sluggish hives that were just sitting. Made no honey and I had done everything by the book but the fumadil b. THey told me in our area we didnt need it. But hey they didnt get honey either. So I tried it. I have noticed a 100% in activity in the hives since I used it. I wished I had used it in the spring. Good luck Michael "K Adney" wrote in message news:3ba00356@news.turbotek.net... > It's what I use & what was recommended by my state apiarist. Don't know of > any cons. Pros are that it's easy to add to the spring syrup. I don't > treat for nosema in the fall. > > POTENTS wrote > >thinking of treating for nosema with fumadil b > > > >please give me the pros and cons > > > Article 30989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need recipte for artifitial bee pollen Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:57:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.97 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000357046 32.100.218.97 (Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:57:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:57:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30989 has anyone made artifitial bee pollen to feed their bees. I would like an info on it you might have . Thanks Article 30990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Price of Honey Date: 12 Sep 2001 05:53:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <700de225.0109120453.78f87ae6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.120.138.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000299189 15016 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2001 12:53:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 12:53:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30990 I haven't had any decent honey to sell for the last couple of years and am a bit out of touch with prices in the UK - can someone give me some guidance please. Rob Edinburgh Article 30991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> <3b9d5b45@news.turbotek.net> Subject: Re: Processing cappings Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:48:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.88.157.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1000385291 63.88.157.153 (Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:48:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:48:11 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30991 My wife did her first extracting ever this year. After she spun the honey out she took the caps and put them in a double boiler and melted it all down. After it was cool she pried off the wax cap and saved the honey. She then tried various things to clean up the wax and finally ended up with a nice looking piece of wax. She says she needs to work on the part about cleaning the wax, but intends to keep doing it this basic way. ================ Scott Mattes TheMattesFamily@va.prestige.net http://www.geocities.com/TheMattesFamily Article 30992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.compaq.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Richard" From: "Richard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fermented Honey Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:34:00 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.184.200 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 1000427535 166.82.184.200 (Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:32:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:32:15 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30992 Ed, There was a good article about this very thing in the American bee journal this mth. 1st you need to slow cook this honey & bring it to boil . This will get rid of all the alcohol in the honey from the fermentation, after that it is ok to feed back to the bee's but be aware you need to feed it to them only if they have plenty of time left in the yr for flying . it will give them a case of the runs for a time & you don't want that in the hive during the winter. Good Luck Richard "Ed Hale" wrote in message news:fbtl7.36910$xb.19114394@news1.mntp1.il.home.com... > I have a super from last year that I neglected to process and it is > fermented now. I am not about to sell/give it, but are there other option? > Can I feed it back to the bees without any problems? What? What? Thanks. > > Ed Hale > > > Article 30993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Richard" From: "Richard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: bayverol and verroa Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:43:46 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.184.200 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 1000428125 166.82.184.200 (Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:42:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:42:05 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30993 Colin, No they won't work as well if they are placed on top of the hive frames. the chemical in the strips works on a contact method. the bee's crawl around between the frames & they rub up against the strips . the chemical gets on them & it kills the mites. the reason for putting the strips between the brood chamber frames is that this is the most visited place in the hive, hence the chemical has a better chance of reaching more bee's , I'm not at all aware of any research on the way they make them chemical on the strips or how it is dispersed I am after all just a bee keeper ...lol Good Luck Richard "colin" wrote in message news:cde6a39d.0109090546.3dbf8b57@posting.google.com... > Some years ago my company manufactured plastic sheeting which included > various insect control chemicals. An essential element of these was > that the chemical should migrate to the outside of the plastic from > whence it could evaporate and control the insects (and other > creatures).The time taken for all the active ingredient to migrate to > the surface and to evaporate depended on the concentration in the > plastic, the temperature and the nature of the plastic itself. So, my > query is, why are Bayverol and similar strips not made so that all the > active ingredients migrate and evaporate over, say, two life cycles of > the mite. We are advised to remove the strips after six weeks in the > hive, but why not make them so that they are no longer active after > this time so that 'forgetful' beekeepers don't help build up an > immunity in the mites.Furthermore, it reduces the number of times that > the hive needs to be opened, as you could remove them the following > spring. > Second question re Bayverol. Has any work been published on the most > effective place to put the strips ? I know that we are recommended to > slide them between brood frames, but as ventilation and circulation of > air is pretty efficient in a hive, would they act just as well if laid > on the top of and across the frames so that each frame is exposed to > the chemical? Article 30994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:49:49 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall Feeding of Strong Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.164.50 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 1000438260 13621 207.199.164.50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30994 Hello Group, I pulled my supers in late August here in Northern Virginia, and because of the large population in each hive I put on an empty super to give the large colonies room 'til the summer bee's died and could reduce the hive to two brood chambers. In early September around here we have what I call "DEVILS WALKING STICK" (a plant growing 7 to 20 feet tall with a single stalk covered with large thorns and produces berries similar to those of the Elderberry but can not be eaten) blooming and each hive produced another super of honey. This honey is very strong to the taste and to me not worth saving. So why not feed it back to the bees to finish filling the winter stores. Does anyone remember the dilution of honey to water for fall feeding. I must be having a senior moment 'cause I can't. Thanks in advance L.E.G. Article 30995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA14913.92062D5B@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:02:28 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming???? References: <9n2qaj01frj@enews2.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.164.50 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 1000439019 13621 207.199.164.50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30995 Steve it sounds like a mating swarm, check and see if there are any queen cells maybe the queen was bad or died. OR maybe they where going to abscond the hive because of disease or varroa, but more likely a mating swarm. L.E.G. "Steven D. Hagerty" wrote: > Have a question folks.. Something I observed from one of my hives > yesterday. I have started feeding them, to try to get their honey stores > up, they still have plenty of room in the hive. I noticed what looked to be > a swarm going on.... The loud buzzing.... and they went to the top of a tree > (about 35 feet in the air) I couldn't figure a way to get them down. It > looked to be a rather large swarm. I tried to put a swarm trap out, to > encourage the swarm to go there... also another brood chamber and bottom > board near the hive. I noticed this hive went through a quart of sugar > water in about 5 hours. After sitting in this tree for about 4 hours... > they decided to go back into the hive they came from. What might explain > this? Did the queen fly out to mate? It boggles my mind, so if anyone ever > has experienced this, please let me know. > Thank you > Steve Article 30996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA1DF0A.15A236FC@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Feeding of Strong Honey References: <3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:42:18 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 1000463650 206.231.24.226 (Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:34:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:34:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30996 Why dilute it. I would think it ok to feed it straight. L.E.G. wrote: > Hello Group, > I pulled my supers in late August here in Northern Virginia, and because > of the large population in each hive I put on an empty super to give the > large colonies room 'til the summer bee's died and could reduce the hive > to two brood chambers. In early September around here we have what I > call "DEVILS WALKING STICK" (a plant growing 7 to 20 feet tall with a > single stalk covered with large thorns and produces berries similar to > those of the Elderberry but can not be eaten) blooming and each hive > produced another super of honey. This honey is very strong to the taste > and to me not worth saving. So why not feed it back to the bees to > finish filling the winter stores. Does anyone remember the dilution of > honey to water for fall feeding. I must be having a senior moment 'cause > I can't. > Thanks in advance > L.E.G. Article 30997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newspump.sol.net!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: Fall Feeding of Strong Honey Lines: 17 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:38:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000478308 12.72.48.36 (Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:38:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:38:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30997 Don't discount the possibility that others may find it tasty. After all, there are some people who don't like the taste of chocolate. Try it on some friends first. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net... > This honey is very strong to the taste and to me not worth saving. Article 30998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey good till date.. Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:16:14 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9ntagf$9uhuj$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1000484176 10438611 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30998 Just a quick question, I was asked to place a good until date on my honey in order to provide it to a food bank. I don't recall seeing any good until dates on other honey. Can someone give me some ideas on how they handle this? -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 30999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa strips Date: 14 Sep 2001 15:44:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0109141444.44ab9af5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.1.124.237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000507466 30373 127.0.0.1 (14 Sep 2001 22:44:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 2001 22:44:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30999 putting bayvarol strips in for the bees to walk over is not good practice there has been an example of doing this in the UK and some varroa mites have been found to have a degree of immunity. so please do as the box states hang the strips in the brood chamber and please take them out after 6weeks Article 31000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Feeding of Strong Honey Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:54:50 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9nunbp$8g0$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d3.6b Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 15 Sep 2001 05:01:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31000 Feeding honey back to bees can spread foulbrood, I speak from experience. Article 31001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Put a light against terror at the web Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:31:16 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ba32c14$0$82085$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.106 X-Trace: 1000549396 dread03.news.tele.dk 82085 195.215.97.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31001 It will only take a minute of your time. http://hhsrv.n.dk/taendetlys/frLightALight.asp -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated10-09-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA4B739.E8CE7E34@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:29:13 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Feeding of Strong Honey References: <3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net> <9nunbp$8g0$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.164.41 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 1000663819 16264 207.199.164.41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31002 Thanks Oliver but this honey is going back to the same bee's that made it..... Oliver Frank wrote: > Feeding honey back to bees can spread foulbrood, I speak from > experience. Article 31003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: lucien winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pool/bees Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:03:39 -0500 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3BA559FA.83747C49@erols.com> Reply-To: lwinslow@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaItjGdjH1Xb86ZrusgKDfyuoArUwHpUJZ8v8baq1QFONbs2eNb1LzM X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 2001 01:07:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31003 my bees have been drinking out of my pool all summer,with only a few drounding, now there are all kinds of bees floating , are they drounding or has a neighbor put something in my pool, water, some thoughts? Article 31004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA51B63.D46B15C7@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Put a light against terror (This address clogged my computer.) References: <3ba32c14$0$82085$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Trace: /wObnc+C8DaU1T6gmYgtJJmHWZsT84KzzfRxGx4QRNpbnx5OrZn/wQanmVeRsD1PrmmfEc23bc/7!uycK3nYBdZQfg7CfhuzvQVnIWUkjyqrL/hQFW3SJLxY+DjlKTEWwVj0FMOTtfLqLgvlE1sMfBA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:02:38 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:02:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31004 Jorn Johanesson wrote: > > It will only take a minute of your time. This address caused my computer to seize up for 5 minutes; it used up all physical memory and started swapping out virtual memory. You might want to look at your web page design. > http://hhsrv.n.dk/taendetlys/frLightALight.asp > > -- > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 31005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ba32c14$0$82085$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <3BA51B63.D46B15C7@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Put a light against terror (This address clogged my computer.) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:46:39 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3ba5a764$0$23918$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.42 X-Trace: 1000712036 dread01.news.tele.dk 23918 195.249.242.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31005 Hello Louise! The traffic on this web is overwhelming. So many want to pay their feelings that in one day there were more than 200 000 lights turned on. My web design is simple. there is no javaapplets or the like on http:\\apimo.dk on the url for the turning on lights there are javaapplets, but it is not my design. sorry. until now 400 000 candles have been lit on the http://hhsrv.n.dk/taendetlys/frLightALight.asp I checked to day. I have no problems going to this url. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 10-08-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Louise Adderholdt" skrev i en meddelelse news:3BA51B63.D46B15C7@atlas.localdomain... > Jorn Johanesson wrote: > > > > It will only take a minute of your time. > > This address caused my computer to seize up for 5 minutes; it used up > all physical memory and started swapping out virtual memory. You might > want to look at your web page design. > > > > http://hhsrv.n.dk/taendetlys/frLightALight.asp > > > > -- > > Best regards > > Jorn Johanesson > > > -- > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 31006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Sep 2001 12:12:19 GMT References: <3BA559FA.83747C49@erols.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: pool/bees Message-ID: <20010917081219.08459.00002185@mb-mn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31006 It got colder out, also a lot may be dropped bodies from the house cleaner /undertaker bees. Article 31007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA65606.3EF3FEEB@sympatico.ca> From: Mike Romain X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey good till date.. References: <9ntagf$9uhuj$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:59:02 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.31.184 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1000756858 64.230.31.184 (Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:00:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:00:58 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31007 There was something on Discovery a while ago that said they found honey dating from the Pyramid age that was still edible.... Mike BeeFarmer wrote: > > Just a quick question, I was asked to place a good until date on my honey in > order to provide it to a food bank. I don't recall seeing any good until > dates on other honey. Can someone give me some ideas on how they handle > this? > -- > BeeFarmer > Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html Article 31008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.newsreader.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pool/bees Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:48:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ba68b7b.4423666@news1.radix.net> References: <3BA559FA.83747C49@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31008 On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:03:39 -0500, lucien winslow wrote: >my bees have been drinking out of my pool all summer,with only a few >drounding, now there are all kinds of bees floating , are they drounding >or has a neighbor put something in my pool, water, some thoughts? > A properly maintained pool should not attract bees. Put out a pan of dirty water for them. beekeep Article 31009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Sep 2001 01:43:41 GMT References: <3BA65606.3EF3FEEB@sympatico.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey good till date.. Message-ID: <20010917214341.26227.00000961@mb-mi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31009 See if the food bank has a bag of sugar than see if the sugar has a good til date. Good til the last drop. Article 31010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SMR / 4.9 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:13:58 -0500 Lines: 55 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZnWIsaY8CPy19jeyx9FS5vX8zlVGHt3L5JgvFMlOjpc8GSEY1La8EE X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2001 06:15:47 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31010 From: Pav Organization: BombusMaximus Subject: SMR / 4.9 At 17/09/01 14:19:00, Clay wrote: >I see SMR as trying to swim up a water fall, >totally unnatural and impossible to >maintain in the long run (I could be wrong). Hi Clay For what its worth, i think the "SMR" trait is both natural and inevitable, and would be a lot further along by now without human interferance. I am continually bemused that genetic variation leading to eventual resistance is taken as fact when it comes to the mites overcoming our poisons - yet the same process is unacknowledged for the bees to get used to their problem (mites) without our 'help'. Our continual use of poison to prop up our bees means that any survivor genes out there are swamped by susceptible human-assisted genes, and thereby not positively selected for - the natural concentration and relative inbreeding that would reinforce the trait if only other survivor genes were about, doesn't happen, and we see this as proof that the bees NEED our help. Instead (and this is the funny part of this tragi-comedy), a few good scientists identify those bees with NATURALLY OCCURING survivor traits, and artificially inbreed them to concentrate/attempt to fix the trait - and then the bee-world is very impressed with such an amazing feat, especially when this NATURALLY OCCURING trait is given an official techno-industry tag (SMR). If it comes via SCIENCE (our new religion, after money), then it MUST be the genuine article! However, while we continue to pollute the open-mating pool with poison-propped drones, then it will indeed be an uphill battle to get those Essemar genes to spread wide in the real world - with miticides, we are removing/lessening the selection pressure that would favour mite-resistant bees. Small-cell on the other hand, has NOT been PROVEN by science, therefore it can't be genuine. Of course, science has yet to prove via peer-reviewed research that i actually woke-up this morning, so maybe this email didn't actually get written... -Pav, thinking maybe the Salmon haven't heard that what they're doing is impossible and unnatural... ________________________________________________ (\ Pav Bobhog@pin.co.nz {|||8- Ahaura, New Zealand (/ http://homepages.win.co.nz/bobhog/picpointer.html Visit my index of over 150 beekeeping pictures and movies. Article 31011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chewing out varroa mites in the purple eye stage Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:36:47 -0500 Lines: 60 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYwFimk206E/aCGdUKmAswKAZzWTqT5rtjixpbc1pPpzlk/bZw09UlP X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2001 06:38:37 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31011 We are now seeing a trait among the 4.9 bees that is not seen with bees on larger comb. http://www.beesource.com/mitechew/index.htm The Lusby's have written about this in ABJ. (http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/lusbyjun1997.htm) "Concerning chewing out varroa We have had several beekeepers want to know how and what to look for, to see if their worker bees are chewing out and/or removing varroa mites from infested larvae cells. This is what we have told them to look for. Here in Arizona, you will see this chewing out of varroa mites on the downside of the honey flow. It will start slowly as the queens stop raising drones, pick-up speed as the drones are expelled from the hive, then taper-off just prior to brood nest cleansing time. By the time the brood nest is resituated and cleaned by the workers, with the pulling out of old larvae cocoons and reshellacked, you will find varroa mites down to a non-detectable level in most cases; and under control by the workers. In Arizona, we see it happening approximately twice a year with the primary chewing out season in the Fall. Other times you will see it occurring in spurts and will be right after requeening, when the hive workers are throwing out drones and getting ready to roll again. You will see it mostly around the edge of the brood nest of sealed worker cells, although it can occur as a buck-shot brood pattern in weaker hives or in a strong hive where large numbers of mites are transferring from drone to workers. Look for uncapped worker brood with the pupae exposed and in many cases cannibalized. If there was only one varroa and it was located on the head between the eyes, many times the pupae will be unharmed, as the worker bees have only to remove the mite to rectify the situation. If the varroa is on the back of the head between the thorax, the worker bees will eat the head off to get to the varroa. If the varroa and/or another is on the thorax, they will eat down to that also. If the Varroa and/or more are located on the abdomen, lodged with the tergits, the bees will continue eating down. You will notice that when the worker bees are doing this and working only with removing varroa mites from healthy bees, the pupae will be a healthy white color, which shows that the worker bees are not removing diseased or infected larvae/pupae. When the varroa is removed from the top of the head and the pupae left unharmed, you will usually notice that the pupae are at a stage of purple darkening eyes. The bees seem to chew out the varroa when other chores of the hive are not pressing i.e. honey gathering and major brood rearing. Until then, the varroa mainly infest drone larvae and pupae. Thus the drones, although they do no work physically in the hive, do act as the best attractant by body mass and therefore a better basil food target, to pull disease and parasites to themselves, so workers can survive throughout the active season by raising vital brood and gathering stores or honey and pollen. Then as the season winds down the drones are thrown out, the worker brood acts as a living liver in the hive purging the overpopulation of varroa mites to bring it into a balanced parasitic mite host relationship similar to Apis cerana in Southeast Asia. Each new brood rearing season, the cycle starts again. Check of sealed worker brood, not uncapped by workers, have revealed non-infested pupae by varroa. When you see this, you know that your bees are doing what they should to handle the problem. Caution: Do not confuse this phenomena with starving bees that need pollen and or honey or both. These hives were not starving and had plenty of stores in them. Beekeepers must learn to see with their eyes and understand the difference. If you look close, you will see which types of queens and characteristics to recognize, to know by body color and conformity. that your bees can handle mites." Article 31012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!www.eas2002.cornell.edu!user From: mhg3@cornell.edu (Mike Griggs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fall Feeding of Strong Honey Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:03:53 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 25 Sender: mhg3@cornell.invalid (on www.eas2002.cornell.edu) Message-ID: References: <3BA1461C.A81B30D8@crosslink.net> <9nunbp$8g0$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <3BA4B739.E8CE7E34@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.eas2002.cornell.edu X-Trace: news01.cit.cornell.edu 1000814801 8188 128.253.66.35 (18 Sep 2001 12:06:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news01.cit.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2001 12:06:41 GMT User-Agent: NewsWatcher-X 2.2.3b1 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31012 There are four advantages to feeding sugar water/HFCS back rather than honey 1. less chance for spread of foulbrood 2. you can sell the honey (even if it is only baking grade) 3. honey contains ash which fills up the hind gut of the bee more quickly than the "cleaner" sugar water. 4. an older honey may crystalize rapidly making it a less desirable winter store. Your choice. Everyone need s to operate under their own operating procedures. What works for someone does not work for another in this endevorer. Mike In article <3BA4B739.E8CE7E34@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > Thanks Oliver but this honey is going back to the same bee's that made > it..... > > Oliver Frank wrote: > > > Feeding honey back to bees can spread foulbrood, I speak from > > experience. Article 31013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: formula for home made pollen substitute Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:51:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000860707 32.100.218.61 (Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:51:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:51:47 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31013 anyone have a formula for a good homade pollen substitute Article 31014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: formula for home made pollen substitute Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:07:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1000861657 4.33.104.214 (Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:07:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:07:37 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:04:18 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31014 "Michael Mcelroy" wrote: >anyone have a formula for a good homade pollen substitute Michael, Pollen substitute recipes appear on these web sites: http://tenacrewoods.com/Bees/pollen.htm http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis92/apfeb92.htm#2 http://beeclub.virtualave.net/info/recipe.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/html/pollen_sub.html John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Date: 19 Sep 2001 08:24:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0109190724.75b5f07a@posting.google.com> References: <3B99A526.AD9933F@qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.24.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000913099 12484 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2001 15:24:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 15:24:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31015 I also am a new beekeeper this year and had a very good year indeed. My hives are kept out in the country away from my house and garden This past weekend I was out picking basil and pruning basil flowers when I had several bee visitors. I have not had honeybee visitors for several years, only bumblebees and wasps so I was very pleased. However, these bees were very different from my own bees (carnolians); they were golden! Their bodies were very light gold color with just a hint of a light grey stripe at the very tip, the stinger end. So is this something special, or just a different colored bee? Cheers Chuck meadmaker beekeeper Geneva, IL Article 31016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey good till date.. Date: 19 Sep 2001 16:39:55 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9oahor$822$0@65.201.241.2> References: <9ntagf$9uhuj$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3BA65606.3EF3FEEB@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.2 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31016 On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:59:02 -0400, Mike Romain wrote: >There was something on Discovery a while ago that said they found honey >dating from the Pyramid age that was still edible.... > >Mike > >BeeFarmer wrote: >> >> Just a quick question, I was asked to place a good until date on my honey in >> order to provide it to a food bank. I don't recall seeing any good until >> dates on other honey. Can someone give me some ideas on how they handle >> this? >> -- >> BeeFarmer >> Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping >> http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html I'd just put 2 years on it, It's safe, probably conservative. Stored properly it could last a long, long time. I always make sure to tell people (or put it on the label) NOT to store it in the refrigerator. It's amazing how many people insist on doing that then complain when it crystalizes prematurely. -Tim Article 31017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: MaGa Subject: Re: SMR / 4.9 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221106.nw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BA8D7C0.4E8FF3D9@starband.net> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:37:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 59 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31017 And, just for my edification, SMR means?... Some Mite Resistance? Barry Birkey wrote: > > From: Pav > Organization: BombusMaximus > Subject: SMR / 4.9 > > At 17/09/01 14:19:00, Clay wrote: > >I see SMR as trying to swim up a water fall, > >totally unnatural and impossible to > >maintain in the long run (I could be wrong). > > Hi Clay > > For what its worth, i think the "SMR" trait is both natural and inevitable, > and would be a lot further along by now without human interferance. > > I am continually bemused that genetic variation leading to eventual > resistance is taken as fact when it comes to the mites overcoming our > poisons - yet the same process is unacknowledged for the bees to get used to > their problem (mites) without our 'help'. > > Our continual use of poison to prop up our bees means that any survivor > genes out there are swamped by susceptible human-assisted genes, and thereby > not positively selected for - the natural concentration and relative > inbreeding that would reinforce the trait if only other survivor genes were > about, doesn't happen, and we see this as proof that the bees NEED our help. > > Instead (and this is the funny part of this tragi-comedy), a few good > scientists identify those bees with NATURALLY OCCURING survivor traits, and > artificially inbreed them to concentrate/attempt to fix the trait - and then > the bee-world is very impressed with such an amazing feat, especially when > this NATURALLY OCCURING trait is given an official techno-industry tag > (SMR). If it comes via SCIENCE (our new religion, after money), then it > MUST be the genuine article! > > However, while we continue to pollute the open-mating pool with > poison-propped drones, then it will indeed be an uphill battle to get those > Essemar genes to spread wide in the real world - with miticides, we are > removing/lessening the selection pressure that would favour mite-resistant > bees. > > Small-cell on the other hand, has NOT been PROVEN by science, therefore it > can't be genuine. Of course, science has yet to prove via peer-reviewed > research that i actually woke-up this morning, so maybe this email didn't > actually get written... > > -Pav, thinking maybe the Salmon haven't heard that what they're doing is > impossible and unnatural... > > ________________________________________________ > (\ Pav Bobhog@pin.co.nz > {|||8- Ahaura, New Zealand > (/ http://homepages.win.co.nz/bobhog/picpointer.html > Visit my index of over 150 beekeeping pictures and movies. Article 31018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA676E1.3FC5DBF@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pool/bees References: <3BA559FA.83747C49@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 X-Trace: /w5MH7STVWtwyR5cfHtFrsK3Fsn1k2AQ5F8C4HjJIQXnAIBdn00Oovv7NDy77UO2mFI4Tj3WkTI3!QqtCV0uTtS05mC/luiRCAVjom+Xbnx6XKfenAkccslxJ6mwLpuGX8burowbsSrFMm6pV8yPW X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:07:02 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:07:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31018 lucien winslow wrote: > > my bees have been drinking out of my pool all summer,with only a few > drounding, now there are all kinds of bees floating , are they drounding > or has a neighbor put something in my pool, water, some thoughts. They are probably just drowning. I've had some to drown in the dog's water bowl. Or they might be near death anyway. I hate to find some floating though. I try to have shallow water in a container with a lip so that they won't fall in. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 31019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Helen Ward" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: One Last Plethitude of Questions Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9e7q7.6215$9j.1092607@news1.telusplanet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:28:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.38.179 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1000931333 142.59.38.179 (Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:28:53 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:28:53 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31019 Please forgive the hyperactive irritability that I seem to exude...(I was born that way! : ) I wish to re-thank those patient one's who helped me with my earlier bee honeycomb and hive queries. I've done a fair bit of educating myself on the net since then - but I am still unable to find the last dimension of the honeycomb frame that I desperately need - it's thickness. I know a Langstroth frame is apprx 12" long x 9 1/2" deep - but by how thick? The honeycomb cell itself is apprx 5mm(3/8") wide but by how long??? Beespace is not the answer I seek - that's spacing between comb-frames, right? After uncapping and centrifugal extraction - are these whole wax frames reusable as is - or do you always melt the wax and wash the frame with biocide detergent before each reuse? Finally, what is the average cost US for a cheap frame? An expensive frame? Thank you ever so much, JB P.S.- I promise that all other questiuons will be dumped on my uncle - not you helpful souls. Article 31020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SMR / 4.9 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:27:03 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <3BA8D7C0.4E8FF3D9@starband.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVanssNgJo2BgLw3R2VQoza5XzM0kNNq2268j1LvcYN+YHj42xPzYf6A X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2001 21:28:52 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31020 > And, just for my edification, SMR means?... Some Mite Resistance? http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/jwh/SMRD/SMRD.htm Article 31021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Sep 2001 01:41:27 GMT References: <1b48e0c5.0109190724.75b5f07a@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Message-ID: <20010919214127.23127.00000512@mb-cq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31021 Carnis are dark Yugos are dark so are Midnite Italians are golden Have yet to see a cordovan Article 31022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: One Last Plethitude of Questions Date: 19 Sep 2001 20:44:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <9e7q7.6215$9j.1092607@news1.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1000957453 22760 127.0.0.1 (20 Sep 2001 03:44:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2001 03:44:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31022 Howdy Helen -- http://www.beesource.com/plans/langstroth.htm Try this URL for dimensions of the Langstroth hive and frame as well as the Dadant sizes. I think you are asking about the width of the end bars. Top bar is 19" and width of the end bar is 1 & 3/8". Don't melt up the wax if the comb is good and do not wash with anything. Pete ************************************************************ Article 31023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey good till date.. Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:36:07 -0400 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9obrnp$cd0r2$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9ntagf$9uhuj$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3BA65606.3EF3FEEB@sympatico.ca> <9oahor$822$0@65.201.241.2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1000960569 13009762 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31023 See http://www.waltonfeed.com/grain/life.html#sugar "Honey, Salt and Sugar should keep indefinitely if stored free of moisture. Watch out for additives in the honey. It is possible to buy honey with water and sugar added. This honey generally doesn't crystallize like pure 100% honey does when stored for a long time. If there are additives, there is no saying how long it will last. " I'd just put something like the above, with directions on how to heat out any crystals. Note that yours is 100% honey and may crystallize. "Tim Arheit" wrote in message news:9oahor$822$0@65.201.241.2... > On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:59:02 -0400, Mike Romain > wrote: > > >There was something on Discovery a while ago that said they found honey > >dating from the Pyramid age that was still edible.... > > > >Mike > > > >BeeFarmer wrote: > >> > >> Just a quick question, I was asked to place a good until date on my honey in > >> order to provide it to a food bank. I don't recall seeing any good until > >> dates on other honey. Can someone give me some ideas on how they handle > >> this? > >> -- > >> BeeFarmer > >> Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping > >> http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > I'd just put 2 years on it, It's safe, probably conservative. Stored > properly it could last a long, long time. I always make sure to tell > people (or put it on the label) NOT to store it in the refrigerator. > It's amazing how many people insist on doing that then complain when > it crystalizes prematurely. > > -Tim Article 31024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: formula for home made pollen substitute Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:33:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1000963985 32.100.218.177 (Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:33:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:33:05 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31024 THanks John. Have you use one of these home pollen subs . which one do you prefer? Thanks mike "John Caldeira" wrote in message news:vjrfqtcc5g656g63ghnheaj5ppk8o30pqm@4ax.com... > "Michael Mcelroy" wrote: > >anyone have a formula for a good homade pollen substitute > > Michael, > > Pollen substitute recipes appear on these web sites: > > http://tenacrewoods.com/Bees/pollen.htm > > http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis92/apfeb92.htm#2 > > http://beeclub.virtualave.net/info/recipe.html > > http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/html/pollen_sub.html > > John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas, USA > http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: formula for home made pollen substitute Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:46:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1000990008 4.33.104.115 (Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:46:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:46:48 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:43:29 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31025 "Michael Mcelroy" wrote: >THanks John. >Have you use one of these home pollen subs . which one do you prefer? I don't use any pollen substitute. There are sufficient naturally occurring pollen sources near my bees. When queen rearing, I have occasionally fed with previously trapped pollen if I can't find enough pollen in the frames, but that usually is not necessary. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "crispin foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Processing cappings Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:16:52 -0400 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.161.101 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.161.101 Message-ID: <3baa1910_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 20 Sep 2001 12:28:00 -0400, 216.220.161.101 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news3.paonline.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31026 I've just extracted my honey out so have lots of cappings. The cappings sit in the uncapping tank and drip for a few days. This honey goes in the honey bucket. I then put the tank outside for the bees to clean up for about three or four days. What's left goes in my solar wax melter. Cappings make a wonderful light yellow block of wax. This is the highest quality beeswax that one can get. Hope this helps. Crispin Foster Rob Graham wrote in message <700de225.0109101306.4b61727d@posting.google.com>... >After 40 years of very laid back country garden bee keeping, I've >never really solved the problem of what to do with cappings. I heat >them up gently to get as much honey out of them as possible and then >they tend to get stuck in a honey bucket as I'm never convinced that >there is enough honey left in them to make it worth while feeding the >mass back to the bees. And then what is the best way to do it - an >open container in the hive creates all sorts of problems and an old >feeder doesn't really have the volume - so what do other keepers do? > >Rob Article 31027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 26 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Sep 2001 01:10:57 GMT References: <9e7q7.6215$9j.1092607@news1.telusplanet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: One Last Plethitude of Questions Message-ID: <20010920211057.06969.00001991@mb-fo.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31027 From: "Helen Ward" synthesis@telusplanet.net >After uncapping and centrifugal extraction - are these whole wax frames >reusable as is - or do you always melt the wax and wash the frame with >biocide detergent before each reuse? Why would one want to mess up the natural bacteriacide that the bees provide? The cappings are melted for candle wax, and the comb within the frames is put back into the hives for the bees to clean and polish, and to coat with propolis varnish. The varnish they use makes it so clean that it has fewer bacteria than a modern operating room. >Finally, what is the average cost US for a cheap frame? An expensive frame? The last ones I got were .43 for deep frames without foundation. Some of the newer plastic ones with foundation included run around a dollar. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news1.spb.su!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!apex!news.apex.dp.ua!not-for-mail From: "Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.agro,odessa.commerce.food,rec.food,relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,rembrok.commerce.food,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce.food Subject: Предлагаем Муку. Высший Сорт. Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:19:47 +0400 Organization: Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9of4ae$oe9$1@main.apex.dp.ua> Reply-To: "Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов" NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.3.107.168 X-Trace: main.apex.dp.ua 1001067662 25033 212.3.107.168 (21 Sep 2001 10:21:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@apex.dp.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 2001 10:21:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.food:2377 relcom.commerce.food:349893 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:96873 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:79935 sci.agriculture:64534 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31028 Уважаемые дамы и господа Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов готова предложить Вам: Мука. Высший сорт. Подсолнечник Шрот подсолнечный Цены ниже государственных. По всем вопросам обращаться: email: birga@infocom2001.dp.ua тел. в Днепропетровске +38(056)7444555 +38(0562)428963 Article 31029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail From: "Trader" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legume Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:47:30 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.93.138 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1001123246 144.138.93.138 (Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:47:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:47:26 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:338 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31029 Hi, I am a hobby beekeeper in Australia. What is the legume that is used in the Nortern Hemisphere that you beekeepers use all year round to keep the bees in pollen ? Is it available in Australia ? What is the legumes name ? Any help or advice for keeping bees in pollen all year around much appreciated Article 31030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Martin Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9of4ae$oe9$1@main.apex.dp.ua> Subject: Re:In case you wondered... Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:30:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3bac3fe1$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userkf61.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: 1001144296 news.dial.pipex.com 8513 62.188.209.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31030 It's a message from Dnepropetrovsk in the Ukraine. It says something like: Esteemed padies and gentlemenof the Ukrainian agrarian resource exchange, We offer Flour of several kinds, Sunlower (seeds and oil?) At low prices. If you have any questions please contact: and the email and phone numbers. So if you are after Ukrainian flour, this is it, but a bit off topic for a beekeeping group. Martin. Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов wrote in message news:9of4ae$oe9$1@main.apex.dp.ua... > Уважаемые дамы и господа Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов готова > предложить Вам: > Мука. Высший сорт. > Подсолнечник > Шрот подсолнечный > Цены ниже государственных. > По всем вопросам обращаться: > email: birga@infocom2001.dp.ua > тел. в Днепропетровске > +38(056)7444555 > +38(0562)428963 > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Sep 2001 09:48:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Marionberry honey Message-ID: <20010922054800.20461.00000333@mb-ch.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31031 I've never seen any of this variety of honey. Have you? Flavorful and how would you describe? Distinct from blackberry honey? How necessary are honeybees to pollinate this berry? thanks, Buzzylee Article 31032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:31:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3bac762a.370322902@news1.radix.net> References: <20010922054800.20461.00000333@mb-ch.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31032 On 22 Sep 2001 09:48:00 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >I've never seen any of this variety of honey. Have you? Flavorful and how >would you describe? Distinct from blackberry honey? How necessary are >honeybees to pollinate this berry? thanks, > >Buzzylee I don't think she exists any more since he said , "The bitch set me up." beekeep Article 31033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BACC70F.9374D5B0@theglobe.com> From: Ripon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marionberry honey References: <20010922054800.20461.00000333@mb-ch.aol.com> <3bac762a.370322902@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Organization: Randori News - Now Web Capable! - http://www.randori.com - Get Free News! Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:14:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31033 beekeep wrote: > > On 22 Sep 2001 09:48:00 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: > > >I've never seen any of this variety of honey. Have you? Flavorful and how > >would you describe? Distinct from blackberry honey? How necessary are > >honeybees to pollinate this berry? thanks, > > > >Buzzylee > > I don't think she exists any more since he said , "The bitch set me > up." > > beekeep No really, there actually is a Marionberry. It's really popular in the Pacific NW. It is a cross between the Chehalem and Olallieberry blackberries, developed at Oregon State University. I'm not sure about the pollination requirements. Perhaps a search of the OSU's site might help. Ripon Article 31034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.newsreader.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:47:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3bad06a5.407303736@news1.radix.net> References: <20010922054800.20461.00000333@mb-ch.aol.com> <3bac762a.370322902@news1.radix.net> <3BACC70F.9374D5B0@theglobe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31034 On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:14:01 GMT, Ripon wrote: > > >beekeep wrote: >> >> On 22 Sep 2001 09:48:00 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >> >> >I've never seen any of this variety of honey. Have you? Flavorful and how >> >would you describe? Distinct from blackberry honey? How necessary are >> >honeybees to pollinate this berry? thanks, >> > >> >Buzzylee >> >> I don't think she exists any more since he said , "The bitch set me >> up." >> >> beekeep > >No really, there actually is a Marionberry. It's really popular in the >Pacific NW. It is a cross between the Chehalem and Olallieberry >blackberries, developed at Oregon State University. > >I'm not sure about the pollination requirements. Perhaps a search of >the OSU's site might help. > >Ripon Yes I know there is a Marion Berry. He was the mayor of Washington D.C.. beekeep Article 31035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010922054800.20461.00000333@mb-ch.aol.com> Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:02:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1001206966 12.72.49.220 (Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:02:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:02:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31035 I thought the MB was a variety of the BB. From what I have been told by a local grower, honeybees are a vital but reluctant pollinator. This particular grower uses a pheromone to attract the bees to the blossoms. I also recall him saying that there is a very small window of opportunity for pollination to occur. He also keeps bees there. Dave Green got any info? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20010922054800.20461.00000333@mb-ch.aol.com... > I've never seen any of this variety of honey. Have you? Flavorful and how > would you describe? Distinct from blackberry honey? How necessary are > honeybees to pollinate this berry? thanks, > > Buzzylee Article 31036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Sep 2001 06:44:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Message-ID: <20010923024417.20518.00000652@mb-ch.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31036 Thanks for the FUN jokes and good replies (both!). There hasn't been much humor of late and it's a relief to know that there is some out there. Have an opportunity to put some hives out in Marionberries (I'm from the Portland, Oregon area) and just don't know a thing about what sort of honey you end up with. And, yes, it appears Marionberries are a relative or member of the Blackberry family and when you buy frozen berries, sometimes you'll see "Marion blackberries" on the package. So, my guess is it may taste similar. Buzzylee Article 31037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:15:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3badc202.455264957@news1.radix.net> References: <20010923024417.20518.00000652@mb-ch.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31037 On 23 Sep 2001 06:44:17 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >Thanks for the FUN jokes and good replies (both!). There hasn't been much >humor of late and it's a relief to know that there is some out there. > > Have an opportunity to put some hives out in Marionberries (I'm from the >Portland, Oregon area) and just don't know a thing about what sort of honey you >end up with. > > And, yes, it appears Marionberries are a relative or member of the >Blackberry family and when you buy frozen berries, sometimes you'll see "Marion >blackberries" on the package. So, my guess is it may taste similar. > >Buzzylee Yes, he is black. Life goes on. I noticed that since the events of th 11th, that the bees never stopped flying, they still congregate in huge numbers at the flower patches, and security at the hive entrance is about the same. beekeep Article 31038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: simonarcher@altavista.co.uk (Simon Archer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Beekeeping book Date: 23 Sep 2001 16:45:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.7.49.180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1001288713 22038 127.0.0.1 (23 Sep 2001 23:45:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Sep 2001 23:45:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31038 Lovely old book,packed with quirky pictures and text! Full title,"Producing,Preparing Exhibiting and Judging Bee Produce" by W.Herrod-Hempsall,F.R.E.S. One of the best old books on the subject we've had. Covers producing and preparing beeswax,stocking an observation hive,Honey comb art and design,Shows,their pupose and inducements to exhibit,judging Bee-keeping appliances,notes on judging heather honey,lots of historical stuff,including the "Bee Palace" at the Crystal palace Exhibition 1874,old gadgetry etc Take a look at:- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1466669402 Article 31039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Date: 24 Sep 2001 16:09:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0109241509.772eb776@posting.google.com> References: <20010923024417.20518.00000652@mb-ch.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.48.69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1001372953 7803 127.0.0.1 (24 Sep 2001 23:09:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 2001 23:09:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31039 lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote in message news:<20010923024417.20518.00000652@mb-ch.aol.com>... > Thanks for the FUN jokes and good replies (both!). There hasn't been much > humor of late and it's a relief to know that there is some out there. > > Have an opportunity to put some hives out in Marionberries (I'm from the > Portland, Oregon area) and just don't know a thing about what sort of honey you > end up with. > > And, yes, it appears Marionberries are a relative or member of the > Blackberry family and when you buy frozen berries, sometimes you'll see "Marion > blackberries" on the package. So, my guess is it may taste similar. > > Buzzylee Here's a couple of sites where you can read more about marionberries and blackberries: http://osu.orst.edu/dept/infonet/ http://berrygrape.orst.edu/fruitgrowing/berrycrops/orblack.htm http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/book/chap7/black.html (I found the last two sites by following lin Article 31040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Sep 2001 01:09:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Marionberry honey Message-ID: <20010923210955.02708.00000247@mb-fc.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31040 From: "George Styer" gstyLer@att.net >by a >local grower, honeybees are a vital but reluctant pollinator. This >particular grower uses a pheromone to attract the bees to the blossoms. I >also recall him saying that there is a very small window of opportunity for >pollination to occur. He also keeps bees there. > >Dave Green got any info? Sorry George, I never worked with this berry.. Actually saw a swarm this afternoon! Unbelievable! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BB0D515.629F9DAB@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:49 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.24 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1001437116 66.20.227.24 (25 Sep 2001 11:58:36 -0500) Lines: 17 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.online.be!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31041 alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria wrote: > > Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? You bet. 12ga with 00 Buckshot - best wait till they are at a distance from your hives before administering the treatment. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:43:43 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9oqmph$eul5o$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1001447026 15684792 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31042 I use a trap and when I catch them I approach the trap with a large tarp "I hide behind the tarp." I lay the tarp on the cage and this appears to calm the skunk. I then dispose of the skunk as needed. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > >Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? > Article 31043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:44:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3bb0de70.659122704@news1.radix.net> References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3BB0D515.629F9DAB@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31043 On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:49 -0700, AL wrote: >alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria wrote: >> >> Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? > > >You bet. > >12ga with 00 Buckshot - best wait till they are at a distance from your >hives before administering the treatment. > > >AL Double ought buck? Is there anything left of the stink pussy after that? beekeep Article 31044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news1.cableinet.net.POSTED!blueyonder.co.uk%barrygray From: Barry Gray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey good till date.. Message-ID: References: <9ntagf$9uhuj$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3BA65606.3EF3FEEB@sympatico.ca> Organization: Home Lines: 19 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50a (MsgServe/1.50) (RISC-OS/4.02) NewsHound/1.42 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:26:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.48.2.118 X-Complaints-To: http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/abuse X-Trace: news1.cableinet.net 1001449592 213.48.2.118 (Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:26:32 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:26:32 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31044 In message <3BA65606.3EF3FEEB@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote: > There was something on Discovery a while ago that said they found honey > dating from the Pyramid age that was still edible.... > > Mike > True - in fact tomb robbers throughout the ages have regularly eaten it. However, as the Ancient Egyptians often preserved things (foetuses etc) in jars of honey it is always worth checking what *else* is inside the jar before you eat it.... -- Barry Gray http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Article 31045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BB1040E.E8FCDC46@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:24:14 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3BB0D515.629F9DAB@hcis.net> <3bb0de70.659122704@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.22 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1001449149 66.20.227.22 (25 Sep 2001 15:19:09 -0500) Lines: 32 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31045 beekeep wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:03:49 -0700, AL wrote: > > >alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria wrote: > >> > >> Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? > > > > > >You bet. > > > >12ga with 00 Buckshot - best wait till they are at a distance from your > >hives before administering the treatment. > > > > > >AL > > Double ought buck? Is there anything left of the stink pussy after > that? > > beekeep Would you want there to be? AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: skunk problem Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:38:43 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.2e.bd.97 X-Server-Date: 25 Sep 2001 12:37:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31046 Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? Article 31047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Message-ID: References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:16:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.245.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1001427413 142.166.245.13 (Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:16:53 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:16:53 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31047 On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:38:43 -0400, "alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria" wrote: >Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? You have to relocate them to a place where they can do no harm. You can use a live trap or you can try to pick them up and put them in a box for the trip. I have heard that if you approach from behind and suddenly lift them up by their tail they will not spray. I have't seen this done, but you could try. Please let us know if it works. -- Ajo Wissink Article 31048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Serving Small Business, Inc" References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:20:03 -0400 Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust171.tnt4.manassas.va.da.uu.net 63.26.198.171 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed.news.msn.com!cpimsnntpa03.news.msn.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31048 I have heard of people using tack strips for carpeting. Put a couple of rows of those on the ground in front of hive and the skunks won't like to step on those very sharp nails. Donn "alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria" wrote in message news:9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? > > Article 31049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Sep 2001 01:32:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Hive record software Message-ID: <20010925213244.27749.00000380@mb-cb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31049 Someone made reference to hive record database software for handhelds using a DDH software product called HanDBase. Has anyone designed an applet for this software for hive record keeping? Thanx, Jim Pickett Article 31050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:51:09 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9orn95$eik$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3BB0D515.629F9DAB@hcis.net> <3bb0de70.659122704@news1.radix.net> <3BB1040E.E8FCDC46@hcis.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.cc.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 26 Sep 2001 04:58:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31050 Don't try an electric fence, makes them spray something fierce. Works good for coons and deer, though. Article 31051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Sep 2001 15:03:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: skunk problem Message-ID: <20010925110327.21704.00000145@nso-ml.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31051 In article , Ajo Wissink writes: > >You have to relocate them to a place where they can do no harm. You can use >a live trap or you can try to pick them up and put them in a box for the >trip. I have heard that if you approach from behind and suddenly lift them >up by their tail they will not spray. I have't seen this done, but you >could try. Please let us know if it works. > Here in Texas we learn quickly to not approach skunks nor donkeys from the rear and grab them, quickly or otherwise. I trapped a lynx once as a youngster, and was told it wouldn't attack me it if I kept looking it in the eye. That didn't work either, at least here in Texas. Yes, let us know if it works. :) Now that relocating thing. Where is it that a skunk cant do any harm? Or is it relocate it far away from you so it won't harm you? Frankly, I am tired of these city folks in Austin dropping off their kittens and dogs here in the woods where I live. If they start dropping of their skunks too, I may become angry. Even the local coyotes avoid skunks, although I have to admit, they do relish the kittens. Bob Pursley Article 31052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: skunk problem Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:32:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1001431950 66.31.162.165 (Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:32:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:32:30 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31052 "alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria" wrote in message news:9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? Two ideas... 1. Get a 4-6 foot piece of chicken wire and roll it up - put it length wise in front of your hive. The skunks don't like walking on the wire. 2. Put your hive up on blocks 8-12" off the ground. If the skunks have to get up on their hind legs, the bees can sting them in the belly and that deters them. I use #2, and have other area beekeepers that use #1. -Steve Article 31053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: g_n_amis@hotmail.com (Glyn N Amis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of bee is this? Date: 26 Sep 2001 05:09:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <1b48e0c5.0109190724.75b5f07a@posting.google.com> <20010919214127.23127.00000512@mb-cq.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.133.28.100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1001506176 4906 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2001 12:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 2001 12:09:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31053 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20010919214127.23127.00000512@mb-cq.aol.com>... > Carnis are dark > Yugos are dark so are Midnite > Italians are golden > Have yet to see a cordovan Hi there. Have kept bees in the UK for several years. Can anyone out there tell me where I can obtain Caniolan Queen Bees or nucs in the UK Sealbeekeeper Article 31054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: 26 Sep 2001 08:00:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0109260700.191f4fdb@posting.google.com> References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.25.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1001516449 7701 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2001 15:00:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 2001 15:00:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31054 "Serving Small Business, Inc" wrote in message news:<#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03>... > I have heard of people using tack strips for carpeting. Put a couple of > rows of those on the ground in front of hive and the skunks won't like to > step on those very sharp nails. My beekeeping instructor says to nail a couple of pieces of tack strip across the landing pad of the bottom board in front of the hive entrance. this is where the skunks reach in and try to scoop out bees to eat and this is where their paws will get cut to ribbons by the tack strips. Cheers, Chuck Article 31055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in-sanjose!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Upgrade Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:43:10 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31055 For those in need, see our upgrade, www.beeworks.com New Videos, new products and articles. Regards Dave.... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 31056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!192.50.8.47.MISMATCH!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet!newsr2.u-net.net!news-peer-uk.interpacket.net!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "H.Wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey good till date.. Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:52:21 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 642 Message-ID: <9p07i1$6em$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <9ntagf$9uhuj$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-130-42.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 1001628033 6614 212.239.130.42 (27 Sep 2001 22:00:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Sep 2001 22:00:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:07:09 BST (newsr2.u-net.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31056 In some places that is true! Some busybodies do want that. In our place we have the option to write the year of production, Like is done on wine, and that is what I do. This is a recent sticker. 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Does anyone know the name of the fly spray? I am going to experiment with making venom collecting more effient. TIA beekeep Article 31058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Sep 2001 02:02:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Wax worms.......... Message-ID: <20010927220225.10606.00000887@mb-cp.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31058 It seem to me the wax worms are bad this time of yr. in Va.. Father loss 3 or 4 hive and I loss 1. It was fill with worms crawing all over the racks and was load it. He took the lid off and pour a gas in it and then setting awhole things fire. I ask him why not smoke all the bees out into another brood chamber before burning it up, He said if that is the case the bees aren't making this winter fact, u did have to keep it feeding all winter long. Boy, I'm telling u guys it is sad. Tim Ps. I was wonder if put a crust moth ball between inter cover and the lid? Article 31059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax worms.......... Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:19:23 -0400 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9p0mnd$fgpq6$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <20010927220225.10606.00000887@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1001643565 16279366 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31059 Well, I guess that would be one way of killing the bees. Wax moths generally take over hives that are already weak due to other problems. Does you dad treat for mites or nosema? Has he been inspected for foulbrood? Does he requeeen each year or at least every two? And, was the larva checked to make sure it was wax mox and not hive beetle larva? "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010927220225.10606.00000887@mb-cp.aol.com... > It seem to me the wax worms are bad this time of yr. in Va.. Father loss 3 or 4 > hive and I loss 1. It was fill with worms crawing all over the racks and was > load it. He took the lid off and pour a gas in it and then setting awhole > things fire. I ask him why not smoke all the bees out into another brood > chamber before burning it up, He said if that is the case the bees aren't > making this winter fact, u did have to keep it feeding all winter long. Boy, > I'm telling u guys it is sad. > Tim > Ps. I was wonder if put a crust moth ball between inter cover and the lid? Article 31060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stinging bees/fly spray? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:19:59 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9p0mog$fgmo3$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <3bb3acd1.86840518@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1001643600 16276227 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31060 Should be able to locate it if you search the archives. it is a fly spray used on horses. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3bb3acd1.86840518@news1.radix.net... > A few months back there was a post about a fly spray or wash that set > bees off making them act aficanized. Does anyone know the name of the > fly spray? I am going to experiment with making venom collecting more > effient. > > TIA > beekeep > Article 31061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa strips Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <3358rt40upd46anslos55a82hae34lv9ou@4ax.com> References: <4169b71c.0109141444.44ab9af5@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:40:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.226.40 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1001660761 62.255.226.40 (Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:06:01 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:06:01 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31061 On 14 Sep 2001 15:44:26 -0700, albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote: >putting bayvarol strips in for the bees to walk over is not good practice >there has been an example of doing this in the UK and some varroa mites >have been found to have a degree of immunity. so please do as the box states >hang the strips in the brood chamber and please take them out after 6weeks "Instructions - strips should be hung in such a way that it is possible for the bees to walk over both sides of the strip." -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BB38150.C4832E5C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NOVA show about bees 10/16/2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 X-Trace: /wmC6FyCMnFaVX0kHoCoWMtU8p0RnD7QGtFO+ghvFByhyddZqJd8WihY4vWUC55oYyVdMafLkIga!3hxOkRKWSVMt3UpMIMAhTksgP75WkneqthCWdTi8e+oITEggYSDLz6+DuNNPOTHyx94Za+wtqA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:02:35 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:02:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31062 Nova is presenting a show called 'Tales From the Hive" on Tuesday, October 16, 2001, on PBS. Centerpiece (the North Carolina PBS schedule magazine) says the following: "'Tales From the Hive' explores a year in the life of a bee colony with stunning images inside the innermost secrets of the hive." Sounds like a good show to watch. It might be a repeat show, but I have never seen it. -- Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 31063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in-sanjose!in.nntp.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Sep 2001 19:13:43 GMT References: <9p0mnd$fgpq6$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wax worms.......... Message-ID: <20010928151343.23963.00001297@mb-ms.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31063 Yes he treat it every early fall season. Never have Foulbrood and I've seen it. It was full of webs like maggon crawing all over the racks. The worm were inch long. There were 3 moth flew out when he removing the lid. I got my just as early in time. He never requeen it. last yr. he have alot of swarm, but this yr. unfuture there were none. Stranger? Article 31064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3bb3acd1.86840518@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: stinging bees/fly spray? Lines: 119 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-GC-Trace: gv1-6rI3/lRkgu9JiHxsNiJX9u7tytQ8Ltk3zXCn6vJXHQhSH20Yw== Message-ID: <%W8t7.303674$Lw3.19797448@news2.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:52:11 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-NAd58Y6c6/hbfiJ2UhfDLtoGBFw3PlX+sXZbcNMdkPvKf07W+xH0ACRvxrexQDDAuo0AUN1f8F3txqb!NbHdW0R51XsJ7sylnLeUIW6fUd8wU1cmHPg5HT6aEMEZlpOfUmIcPEkVHFw0xtjjuBdmGB3nSigC!CCR1BcQIeP+cx24eSc/BErgFBtcb X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:52:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31064 I think this is what you want. Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search results √ BEE-L 2 matches. Search again ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Item # Date Time Recs Subject 032485 00/07/31 10:58 53 Horse Fly Spray Caution 032496 00/08/03 08:28 45 Re: Horse Fly Spray Caution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Item #32485 (31 Jul 2000 10:58) - Horse Fly Spray Caution From: Dennis M Murrell Subject: Horse Fly Spray Caution MIME-Version: 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Caution should be used when using common fly sprays such as "Permectrin II" or "Absorbine Ultra Shield"on horses with beehives in the vicinity. These types of products can enrage passing bees and result in a dangerous stinging incident for both horse and rider. I have kept my bees around horses for 30 years without incident. However, a landowner began using these products daily on her favorite horse who would be tied up in the same spot for each application. After several days enraged bees began stinging both horse and rider and people in that area. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The bees were located about 100 feet away behind a building which forced them to fly 20 feet high when flying in the direction of the hitching rack. A light honey flow was on at the time. Winds were calm. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- A horse was tied to the rack and not a bee appeared. After a while the owner took the opportunity to apply the fly spray with a hand sprayer. Within 2 minutes angry bees began to appear and instantly sting any moving object in the immediate area. The bees would fly at full speed headfirst into the ground where any over spray had fallen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- I sprayed a small amount of the fly spray on a paper towel and walked back to the bee yard. Initially the yard was a calm as before, but within ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- bees. However the rapidity and intensity of the stinging in response to the fly spray has only been matched by working a yard of the meanest bees at the worst time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Item #32496 (3 Aug 2000 08:28) - Re: Horse Fly Spray Caution From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Horse Fly Spray Caution Mime-Version: 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Caution should be used when using common fly sprays such as "Permectrin >II" or "Absorbine Ultra Shield"on horses with beehives in the vicinity. >These types of products can enrage passing bees and result in a dangerous >stinging incident for both horse and rider. > >I have kept my bees around horses for 30 years without incident. However, >a landowner began using these products daily on her favorite horse who >would be tied up in the same spot for each application. After several >days enraged bees began stinging both horse and rider and people in that >area. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Sometimes insect sprays have a "carrier" chemical. For example, the insect spray, "RAID," contained (or used to contain) methyl chloroform (1-1-1 trichloroethane) as a carrier, though not so indicated on the label. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Search again ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Back to the LISTSERV home page at LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. Go to the Academic Computing home page -- "beekeep" wrote in message news:3bb3acd1.86840518@news1.radix.net... > A few months back there was a post about a fly spray or wash that set > bees off making them act aficanized. Does anyone know the name of the > fly spray? I am going to experiment with making venom collecting more > effient. > > TIA > beekeep > Article 31065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttln1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: From: collver@linuxfreemail.com Subject: herbicides Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping User-Agent: tin/1.4.5-20010409 ("One More Nightmare") (UNIX) (NetBSD/1.5.2 (i386)) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8Tlt7.53315$QK.35706996@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:35:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.10.77.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttln1.wa.home.com 1001777732 24.10.77.236 (Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:35:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:35:32 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31065 Hello, My Grandfather used to have a couple bee hives. He told me a story of how the city started spraying poison to control roadside weeds, and his bees all died. He said he observed some bees trying to return to their hive, no longer able to fly, feebly crawling to their deaths. Has anyone here had similar experiences? What can you do about it? Ben __ (oO) Why vote for the lesser of two evils? Cthulhu for president. /||\ Article 31066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killer Bee question Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:26:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31066 I was chased and stung several times by an extremely aggressive bee yetersday while trimming a bush. I suspect the possibilty of killer bees being somewhere nearby. Is there any government agency in Texas I could inform of this, and perhaps have my property checked for more bees? Thanks. Article 31067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Sep 2001 21:43:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Message-ID: <20010929174346.22111.00001132@mb-me.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31067 If you were stung several times by the same inset it is most likely a yellow jacket. They are wasps. The cooperative extension for your county would know who to contact if you still think it was africanized honybees. Go back and look for a paper nest in or near where you were trimming and odds are you will find some sort of yellow jacket. White Faced Hornets are technically a yellow jacket also. Article 31068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Sep 2001 22:14:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Message-ID: <20010929181409.21423.00000356@nso-cn.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31068 In article , "Ralph" writes: > >I was chased and stung several times by an extremely aggressive bee >yetersday while trimming a bush. I suspect the possibilty of killer bees >being somewhere nearby. Is there any government agency in Texas I could >inform of this, and perhaps have my property checked for more bees? Thanks. > STung several times? Not likely a bee at all, but an unbarbed species of hymenoptera. Bees have barbs, the stinger comes out and lodges in the flesh. To answer your question, the Texas state entomologist available thru Texas A&M. They have a website. Bob Pursley Article 31069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:22:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010929181409.21423.00000356@nso-cn.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 31 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31069 Well, it sure looked like a bee, with stripes. It hit me three times and tried to several other times, but apparently had lost its stinger by then. I grew up with wasps and yellow jackets and know what they look like and how they act. And they are usually slow enough to bat out of the air with a fly swatter. My bee wasn't. I ran to my truck and jumped inside, and he was inside with me. I ran into the house, and he was there with me. But thanks for the info. I'll follow up. "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20010929181409.21423.00000356@nso-cn.aol.com... > In article , "Ralph" > writes: > > > > >I was chased and stung several times by an extremely aggressive bee > >yetersday while trimming a bush. I suspect the possibilty of killer bees > >being somewhere nearby. Is there any government agency in Texas I could > >inform of this, and perhaps have my property checked for more bees? Thanks. > > > > STung several times? Not likely a bee at all, but an unbarbed species of > hymenoptera. Bees have barbs, the stinger comes out and lodges in the flesh. > To answer your question, the Texas state entomologist available thru Texas A&M. > They have a website. > Bob Pursley Article 31070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:12:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3bb6630e.264565932@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31070 On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:26:17 -0500, "Ralph" wrote: >I was chased and stung several times by an extremely aggressive bee >yetersday while trimming a bush. I suspect the possibilty of killer bees >being somewhere nearby. Is there any government agency in Texas I could >inform of this, and perhaps have my property checked for more bees? Thanks. > > If you had pissed off a nest of killer bees you wouldn't be typing this question. You would still be in the hospital getting the stingers removed. beekeep Article 31071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!207.115.63.138!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beetle Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.254.136.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1001854200 ST000 63.254.136.213 (Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:50:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:50:00 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@SNA]S_Q@O\\]CCDN_HAQB^H@IPDLXUNNHPHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:50:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31071 Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. Article 31072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:40:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1001882448 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:40:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:40:48 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31072 Using a search engine like GOOGLE you will come up with a lot of sites giving pictures and descriptions of the Small Hive Beetle. http://www.bugwood.caes.uga.edu/factsheets/shb.html Here is one site I found. David A. Bill Hughes wrote in message news:YxEt7.48877$M62.3679359115@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com... > Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. > > Article 31073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!216.166.61.6.MISMATCH!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Petroglyph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee repellant Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-GC-Trace: gv1-l6rohhqh8iFKQmaBm2W4JnAeR3NM2e1EBGR0AyUuISqHPSSz+26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:06:32 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-xUPT5HvIw+FEnjpCC7ajgzX+WUeogmk5Nx4J8fnnyTDODtHpHY5qSIkRNGo3przVMH0AvsAiVDMRSbb!cmdIPgEuNBt3wtC0lm74VQHnleGQghyWfWOvKuH1OBoybgXifB40MuONaM1MhuN97TmgoABK4beT!sxZNRirDVT997sCdwizqA9E/J5OcaA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:06:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31073 Protea farmers in my area are experience crop destruction from honey bees. Protea are a sweet flower originating in South Africa. One type is called Sugar Bush (Repens). Is there a safe method to repel bees without affecting neighboring farmers who need pollination? Article 31074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:51:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3bb793c4.342571435@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31074 On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:06:32 GMT, "Petroglyph" wrote: >Protea farmers in my area are experience crop destruction from honey bees. >Protea are a sweet flower originating in South Africa. One type is called >Sugar Bush (Repens). Is there a safe method to repel bees without affecting >neighboring farmers who need pollination? > > Where can we get the seed? beekeep Article 31075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.255.96.6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1001888864 ST000 209.255.96.6 (Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:27:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:27:44 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@SNA]S_Q@O\\]CCDN_HAQB^H@IPDLXUNNHPHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:27:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31075 Thank you for the reply. I had opened a colony this morning and saw some stramge insects scurrying on top of the inner cover. They looked like small roaches, but I was not sure. After looking at the picture of the adult beetle I now know they are not hive beetles. I read/heard/saw something about York being quarantined because of the beetle and I got a couple of packages from them this year. David A. <##daaple@home.com> wrote in message news:krLt7.10351$Ef.850556@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > Using a search engine like GOOGLE you will come up with a lot of sites > giving pictures and descriptions of the Small Hive Beetle. > http://www.bugwood.caes.uga.edu/factsheets/shb.html Here is one site I > found. > > David A. > > Bill Hughes wrote in message > news:YxEt7.48877$M62.3679359115@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com... > > Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. > > > > > > Article 31076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:32:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3bb6630e.264565932@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31076 Do all of them always travel together? "beekeep" wrote in message news:3bb6630e.264565932@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:26:17 -0500, "Ralph" > wrote: > > >I was chased and stung several times by an extremely aggressive bee > >yetersday while trimming a bush. I suspect the possibilty of killer bees > >being somewhere nearby. Is there any government agency in Texas I could > >inform of this, and perhaps have my property checked for more bees? Thanks. > > > > > If you had pissed off a nest of killer bees you wouldn't be typing > this question. You would still be in the hospital getting the > stingers removed. > > beekeep > Article 31077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Oct 2001 02:01:29 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Message-ID: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31077 >From: "Ralph" Reply@Newsgroup.com >Well, it sure looked like a bee, with stripes. It hit me three times and >tried to several other times, but apparently had lost its stinger by then. I >grew up with wasps and yellow jackets and know what they look like and how >they act. Actually yellow jackets have much more pronounced stripes than bees. But we could discuss it endlessly, and might not still come to a conclusion. Since a picture is worth a thousand words, try checking out the photos at: What's Buzzin' in My Garden? http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm That should at least settle the identity problem.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 22 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Oct 2001 02:10:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee repellant Message-ID: <20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31078 From: "Petroglyph" perna@ilhawaii.net >Protea farmers in my area are experience crop destruction from honey bees. >Protea are a sweet flower originating in South Africa. One type is called >Sugar Bush (Repens). Is there a safe method to repel bees without affecting >neighboring farmers who need pollination? I'm puzzled as to how the bees could damage the plant?? I searched a couple papers on Protea culture, and they did not mention bees as a pest. Just what kind of damage do they do? The only thing that occurs to me is that you may have a leafcutter bee, not a honeybee. Rose growers here in the US sometimes have a problem with this, when they want perfect foliage and the leafcutters are cutting a hole in the leaves. There is no control known except for fine netting. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 50 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Oct 2001 02:18:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Message-ID: <20010930221854.22486.00003090@mb-fi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31079 >TURN SIX DOLLARS INTO $60000 EASY AND HONESTLY!!! A chain letter is honest? No way! > It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus >postage) Not legal, either! The addresses below have been forwarded to the US Postal Service for prosecution. >#1) Clint Culp > 109 West Main Street > Cameron, TX 76520 > >> > : #2) Joe Williams > 1571 Spring Gate Dr. #6315 > Mclean, VA 22102 > > > :#3) Craig Bedford > 5485 W 6600 S > West Jordan, Utah 84084 > > > : #4)Clinton Culpepper > P.O. Box 190 > Cameron, TX 76520 > >#5) Jerry Smith > 4250 Arbor > Okemos, MI 48864 > >#6) Micheal Peterson > 775 Locks Way > Martinez, GA 30907 Chain letters are also a violation of newsgroup rules. Some of us will be glad to help get your ISP account canceled. Now go away! (Actually this idiot will probably not go away until prosecuted, but this is posted for anyone else who is tempted by it.) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Oct 2001 02:23:24 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Message-ID: <20010930222324.22486.00003093@mb-fi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31080 I read/heard/saw something >about York being quarantined because of the beetle and I got a couple of >packages from them this year. Don't let anyone kid you. Just about everybody in the southeast has hive beetles. A few have not discovered them yet, but that doesn't mean they don't have them. They fly freely and they ride on truckloads of fruit too. Any fruit stands in your area??? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010930222324.22486.00003093@mb-fi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 03:21:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1001906515 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:21:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:21:55 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31081 Can you get rid of them or is a matter of just keeping them under control? I have 2 hives both have some SHB in them, I am treating one with Checkmite+ (Cumophos) and have treated the ground around both hives with Guardstar. I am hoping to get some honey off the other hive that is why I have not treated it with Checkmite+. I will treat both at the end of the season for varroa mites using the Checkmite+ strips, I hope that may also get the SHB. In Middle Georgia David A. > Don't let anyone kid you. Just about everybody in the southeast has hive > beetles. A few have not discovered them yet, but that doesn't mean they don't > have them. They fly freely and they ride on truckloads of fruit too. Any fruit > stands in your area??? > > > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. 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Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31082 I would like to start beekeeping, how many hives do I need and where do you buy them from please. ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3bb6630e.264565932@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:22:39 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.133 Message-ID: <3bb87afb_3@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1001945851 209.23.11.133 (1 Oct 2001 09:17:31 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in-sanjose!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31083 I agree. A lone bee foraging is rarely a problem if ever. Regardless of race, if you angered an aggressive colony of honeybees as beekeep said you'd be in the hospital. I doubt these were honeybees as the # of stings wasn't in the double or triple digits. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BB38150.C4832E5C@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: NOVA show about bees 10/16/2001 Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:30:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1001950243 65.224.190.168 (Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:30:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:30:43 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:27:13 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31084 Thank you for letting us know, Louise! I'm going to tape it. When i make presentations in the classrooms, i have found that if i give the teacher a tape (i presently use the one from www.honey.com - which is the national honey board) ... the teachers are thankful that i let them keep the extra copy - and they have a chance to show the tape to the children before i get there, so they have a "clue" ! Thanks again! Lucy www.ohiohoney.com "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3BB38150.C4832E5C@atlas.localdomain... > Nova is presenting a show called 'Tales From the Hive" on Tuesday, > October 16, 2001, on PBS. Centerpiece (the North Carolina PBS schedule > magazine) says the following: > > "'Tales From the Hive' explores a year in the life of a bee colony with > stunning images inside the innermost secrets of the hive." > > Sounds like a good show to watch. It might be a repeat show, but I have > never seen it. > -- > Louise Adderholdt | In Rivers and bad Governments, the > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | lightest things swim at top. > | -- Benjamin Franklin > Article 31085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9of4ae$oe9$1@main.apex.dp.ua> <3bac3fe1$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Re:In case you wondered... Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:33:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.190.168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1001950416 65.224.190.168 (Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:33:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:33:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:30:06 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31085 Thank you Martin! I was curious too! Lucy "Martin Buckle" wrote in message news:3bac3fe1$0$8513$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com... > It's a message from Dnepropetrovsk in the Ukraine. > It says something like: > Esteemed padies and gentlemenof the Ukrainian agrarian resource exchange, > We offer > Flour of several kinds, > Sunlower (seeds and oil?) > At low prices. > If you have any questions please contact: > and the email and phone numbers. > > So if you are after Ukrainian flour, this is it, but a bit off topic for a > beekeeping group. > Martin. > > Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов wrote > in message news:9of4ae$oe9$1@main.apex.dp.ua... > > Уважаемые дамы и господа Украинская аграрная биржа земельных ресурсов > готова > > предложить Вам: > > Мука. Высший сорт. > > Подсолнечник > > Шрот подсолнечный > > Цены ниже государственных. > > По всем вопросам обращаться: > > email: birga@infocom2001.dp.ua > > тел. в Днепропетровске > > +38(056)7444555 > > +38(0562)428963 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:09:50 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31086 What kind of stinging insects live underground? I have just discovered that whatever these are, are entering and leaving a hole under the bush where I got stung. And that reminded me I saw a similar sight in another part of the yard some weeks ago. The link you gave is great, but it doesn't give much information behind what they look like, where they like to build nests for example. And these move around pretty fast, hard to see detail. I tried to photograph them, but my digital camera is too slow. They could be yellow jackets, but I thought they built nests under overhangs. "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com... > >From: "Ralph" Reply@Newsgroup.com > > >Well, it sure looked like a bee, with stripes. It hit me three times and > >tried to several other times, but apparently had lost its stinger by then. I > >grew up with wasps and yellow jackets and know what they look like and how > >they act. > > Actually yellow jackets have much more pronounced stripes than bees. But we > could discuss it endlessly, and might not still come to a conclusion. Since a > picture is worth a thousand words, try checking out the photos at: What's > Buzzin' in My Garden? http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm > > That should at least settle the identity problem.... > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:10:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31087 PS: They seem smaller than any yellow jackets I ever saw, which I think are about the same size as wasps. These are more bee-sized. "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com... > >From: "Ralph" Reply@Newsgroup.com > > >Well, it sure looked like a bee, with stripes. It hit me three times and > >tried to several other times, but apparently had lost its stinger by then. I > >grew up with wasps and yellow jackets and know what they look like and how > >they act. > > Actually yellow jackets have much more pronounced stripes than bees. But we > could discuss it endlessly, and might not still come to a conclusion. Since a > picture is worth a thousand words, try checking out the photos at: What's > Buzzin' in My Garden? http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm > > That should at least settle the identity problem.... > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 31088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:23:04 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31088 OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com... > >From: "Ralph" Reply@Newsgroup.com > > >Well, it sure looked like a bee, with stripes. It hit me three times and > >tried to several other times, but apparently had lost its stinger by then. I > >grew up with wasps and yellow jackets and know what they look like and how > >they act. > > Actually yellow jackets have much more pronounced stripes than bees. But we > could discuss it endlessly, and might not still come to a conclusion. Since a > picture is worth a thousand words, try checking out the photos at: What's > Buzzin' in My Garden? http://pollinator.com/Identify/whatsbuzzin.htm > > That should at least settle the identity problem.... > > > > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk.