Article 33304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:46:50 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-80-23.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1030869799 9299 62.11.80.23 (1 Sep 2002 08:43:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2002 08:43:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!area.cu.mi.it!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33304 nepeta family end mint family are ok "Justin" ha scritto nel messaggio news:wbRb9.242137$983.524080@rwcrnsc53... > What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy digestive > tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants > whose > nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with > regards > to this? Article 33305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Sep 2002 11:59:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: mesh floors Message-ID: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33305 I have been seeing an apparent increase in beekeepers saying they are using mesh floors on their hives. How do you keep ants out? What size mesh do you use? Article 33306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "nor600w@tninet.se" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mesh floors Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:57:12 +0200 Organization: Telenordia/Algonet Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu212-213.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: green.tninet.se 1030892286 24885 195.163.213.212 (1 Sep 2002 14:58:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@telenordia.se NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:58:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:58:26 MET DST (news01.chello.no) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!Norway.EU.net!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news01.chello.no!news01.chello.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!news2.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33306 Hi In sweden we mostly use 2x2 mm mesh size We have only one ant which are trouble some for the bees and they generally enter thru the same opening the bees use to get out and in thru mvh Magnus "Beeman10" skrev i meddelandet news:20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com... > I have been seeing an apparent increase in beekeepers saying they are using > mesh floors on their hives. > > How do you keep ants out? > What size mesh do you use? Article 33307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Justin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.232.74.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1030894348 12.232.74.10 (Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:32:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33307 I found this article. http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/ipm/insects/pollinat/varroa/oils.htm Do you agree with it? "salvatorebts" wrote in message news:aksjv7$92j$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it... > nepeta family end mint family are ok > > "Justin" ha scritto nel messaggio > news:wbRb9.242137$983.524080@rwcrnsc53... > > What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy digestive > > tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants whose > > nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with regards > > to this? > > > > > > Article 33308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Normand ChoiniХre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Nectars that make bees immune to mites Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:46:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.211.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1030920394 216.208.211.54 (Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:46:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:46:34 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33308 This is far from being up to date. So bad that many North Americans don't speak any other language than english... They could access to many interesting european Web sites. This one is very well documented and available in many languages : french, italian, german and even english: http://www.apis.admin.ch/english/Themes/Varroa.htm#AetherischeOele You will find state of the art practices on essential oils. NC "Justin" a Иcrit dans le message de news: gqqc9.261307$983.529547@rwcrnsc53... > I found this article. > http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/ipm/insects/pollinat/varroa/oils.htm Do you > agree with it? > > "salvatorebts" wrote in message > news:aksjv7$92j$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it... > > nepeta family end mint family are ok > > > > "Justin" ha scritto nel messaggio > > news:wbRb9.242137$983.524080@rwcrnsc53... > > > What plants can I put near a hive to help the bees have healthy > digestive > > > tracts and healthy lungs free of mites? Is there any sort of plants > whose > > > nectar mites find irritating? Have any experiments been done with > regards > > > to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 33309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Deanna" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Philadelphia beekeepers Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:35:20 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33309 Hi Magnus I live in PA (about 11/2-2 hours away??) close to the NY border. Very near me is a major Bee Apiary called Drapers Super Bee Apiary, Inc - look them up if you want www.DraperBee.com I just started in beekeeping this spring. My husband and I have one hive and I tend to my fathers two hives, that he just got this year too (as he is allergic to stings-as well as my husband). I'm hoping to expand by 2-3 hives next year! Need any info? I'd "bee" happy to help if I can. :) Deanna "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote in message news:akrcqn$7rk$1@green.tninet.se... > Hi > > I'm on my way to move to northwest Philadelphia PA > > Anyone know of beekeeper there or in Pennsylvania > > mvh > Magnus > > Article 33310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Testing of honey? Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:19:27 +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3D7310FF.D894E887@iet.hist.no> References: <3D6C172A.51A9C0A8@foobatnet.com> <3D70129A.5104B88F@foobatnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dolly.uninett.no 1030951381 23521 158.38.51.37 (2 Sep 2002 07:23:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:23:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!uio.no!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33310 "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote: > > Hi > The moisture content is important for one specific, there is always a little > natural yeast in honey > If the moisture content is to low the yeast will be activated and your honey > will smell like a bad home brewed beer ;-) > > Magnus If the moisture content is too HIGH the yeast (and any other picked up during harvesting or processing) can start fermentation - usually during storage or sometimes after the honey has been sold -- Not good PR! Marginal honey can be dried somewhat whilst still in the frames by stacking boxes and circulating warm dry air through the stack. This is often done with heather honey right up to extraction with the advantage that the honey extracts easier as it is warm. 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Article 33312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pseudo Queens and Hive Invasions Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:55:12 -0600 Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-108.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.87) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1030978497 56434962 209.115.174.87 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-108.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33312 For those who saw or heard about the presentations by Dr. Gloria Degrandi-Hoffman at The AHPA or ABF conventions last year and this year, I have some questions. Have any on this group had any experience with the phenomena she was discussing? Apparently with at least some AHB, there is a completely different queen pheromone profile and that was her topic this year. Last year, she discussed the invasion of other hives by groups and individuals with AHB background and the effects. Does anyone know 1. Where exactly are these phenomena being observed.? I heard mention of Texas and Arizona, but when I was in AZ, speaking with a number of the locals, (and looking though the brood chambers of a local operation), no one said they were seeing this, except the lab. 2. Is this a seasonal thing? Are special conditions necessary? Are only certain EHB susceptible? If it is on the loose in AZ, why was there no evidence of this visible in bees I looked at near the lab. (The operation accept a large number of swarms donated from neighbouring golf courses as I understood it. I saw NO bad brood patterns in their outfit. Zero. I have never seen such consistently nice brood). 3. The term 'Africanized' is being used. What degrees of Africanization are being seen and how homogeneous is the 'Africanization'? Does anyone on s.a.b have any further hard info on this? allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 33313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:29:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.230 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1030994964 64.238.131.230 (Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:29:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:29:24 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33313 My bees have started something new they will only go in on the left side of the hive. I tried to turn the brood box 180degree on the bottom board and that worked for a day or two now they are all just entering on the left coner and using just about 1/4 of the entrance. Checked the brood frames and everthing looks normal. even moved outer frames to center and center frame to outside. Anyone know why they are doing this or are they just meesing with my head. TIA Marty Article 33314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:38:35 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-854.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33314 I noticed the same thing... facing the hive they are using less than 1/4 the entrance.... on the left side... my other 2 colonies are using the full intrance.... I was going to check the hive today but I got my first bee sting from them and I wasn't anywere near the hives... she stung me right on the top of my ear.... and it still burns.... btw I expect to eventualy get stung... but geese I thought I would have gotten it when I was doing something with the hives... or something stupid like filling their water bucket up.... ( they don't like that ) I have to do it after dark... if I can rember too.... TRIKER wrote in message ... >My bees have started something new they will only go in on the left side of >the hive. I tried to turn the brood box 180degree on the bottom board and >that worked for a day or two now they are all just entering on the left >coner and using just about 1/4 of the entrance. Checked the brood frames >and everthing looks normal. even moved outer frames to center and center >frame to outside. Anyone know why they are doing this or are they just >meesing with my head. > >TIA >Marty > > Article 33315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moth Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:57:06 +0200 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.26.134.195 Message-ID: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> X-Trace: 3 Sep 2002 09:00:03 +0100, 195.26.134.195 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.mt.net.mk!195.26.134.195 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33315 Dear group, I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european one. I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do with this hive? there is some honey in it. 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? Jovan Jonovski Macedonia Article 33316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "zainurin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How we test honey Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:36:42 +0800 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.142.122 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.186.142.122 Message-ID: <3d748eda_2@news.tm.net.my> X-Trace: news.tm.net.my 1031048922 210.186.142.122 (3 Sep 2002 18:28:42 +0800) Organization: TMnet Malaysia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.tm.net.my Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33316 We add honey to tea, and the tea turn to black. We mixed honey to egg, the egg turn like half boiled. Only good and pure honey can do that. Article 33317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth Date: 3 Sep 2002 04:35:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209030335.2c71b285@posting.google.com> References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031052953 9683 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2002 11:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2002 11:35:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33317 "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" wrote in message news:<3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > Dear group, > I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european > one. > > I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions > 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos > there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do > with this hive? there is some honey in it. > > 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is > this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? > > Jovan Jonovski > Macedonia A strong hive will clean up the moths in short order. Article 33318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sticky Truck (long story) Date: 3 Sep 2002 16:38:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 56 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0209031538.9809468@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031096286 21708 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2002 23:38:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2002 23:38:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33318 Fellow Beekeepers, I had a couple of two-gallon buckets of honey that had spent the winter in my garage and were quite crystallized. I wanted to melt them and thought that I'd try doing it in my portable solar heater. (The cab of my truck, sitting in the sun, on a hot day, with the windows closed.) My pickup has the extended cab with the small rear seats. I parked my truck at work a few days ago and put the buckets on the rear seat with a towel underneath, just in case something leaked. At the end of the day I went out to the truck and saw that the buckets had both fallen to the floor. I guess with the heat, they had settled down into the seat cushion and become unbalanced until they tipped forward. I went around to the passenger side and opened the door, intending to right the buckets. What I didn't expect, upon opening the door, was a creamy-yellow goo to come oozing out over the threshold and onto the parking lot. (The honey was still partially crystallized and so it had a yellow look instead of clear golden.) Apparently the lid on one bucket had come loose when it fell and leaked about a gallon and a half of the honey all over the passenger side of the truck floor, both front and rear. I quickly shut the door, muttered a few unmentionables, and stood there for a moment looking at the honey dripping from the length of the door seal. I had no time to deal with it at the moment, as I had to pick up my daughter and her friend and take them to a school activity. I left work, picked them up and drove through rush-hour traffic for a while to get to the activity. They both sat there, doing their best to keep their feet off the floor, lest they have a shoe become embedded in the goo. Later that evening, I was able to use a big spoon and bucket and scoop up about a half-gallon of the honey, which I'll use for bee food at some point. The next day, I removed the floor mats, a towel, sweatshirt, newspaper and some mail that had been on the floor and were now dripping with honey. I left them near some of my hives for the bees to clean up. I figure these items had maybe another half gallon of honey on them. This left about a half gallon that was embedded in the carpet of the truck. The following day was Saturday. I started early on the cleanup, but before long the bees discovered my truck and me. I had bees all over as I was trying to scrub hot water into the carpet and then suck it out with my shop vac. (I live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and had more than one neighbor give me funny looks from across the street.) I had to remove the seats, seat belts, side panels, anything that could hide a little honey probably had some. (I even discovered the gasket around the door is made somewhat like a rubber hose and has little drain holes in it. The bottom part of this was full of honey that would keep oozing out to the drain holes, providing a novel type of bee feeder.) Finally by mid afternoon my truck had the best cleaning it has ever seen, and I think I got all the honey. The swarms of robber bees were still buzzing around, but not finding anywhere to feed. Sorry to be so long with this story, but I figured that this was one of the few places where people could appreciate this sort of thing. Isn't beekeeping wonderful? Nuc. Article 33319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D758741.85B8DBC2@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> <23e8adb1.0209030335.2c71b285@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:15:49 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 28 X-Trace: sv3-4Wq776p6dyU1pQnHfBK7j4Yzs3Od4VjfLfJISFm4AXjNotvh2zH5x34v6lLQoFMlCvd1R9U3k/JGf8Y!3lBB0FVxKZ0aLKnxClFsQeoCZb1xUXgXdvhUlDir9c7V4xiRbA7b3NlDN6d2S+fSAbQZ X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:15:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33319 Beecrofter wrote: > "Jovan Jonovski - SNI" wrote in message news:<3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk>... > > Dear group, > > I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european > > one. > > > > I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions > > 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos > > there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do > > with this hive? there is some honey in it. > > > > 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is > > this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? > > > > Jovan Jonovski > > Macedonia > > A strong hive will clean up the moths in short order. That's true, a strong hive will keep them at bay, but he pretty much described a hive on its way downhill with no queen or brood. The moths will move in pretty quick and do lots of damage. I would suggest freezing the frames from that hive for a few days to kill any eggs and installing them in a strong hive for cleanup. AL Article 33320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D758644.FB1ACEAC@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:01:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1031119264 67.251.117.249 (Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:01:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:01:04 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33320 Jovan Jonovski - SNI wrote: > > Dear group, > I know this is more USA centred group, but I was unable to find any european > one. > > I am begginer and I would like to ask two questions > 1. I have noticed that one hive doesnot have queen (no brood at all) alos > there are signs of moth. actualy i saw one moth under the cover. What to do > with this hive? there is some honey in it. > > 2. What to do with the hive and the combs and honey from such a hive? Is > this "contageous" and it could go to the other hives? > > Jovan Jonovski > Macedonia If your hive is strong, they will clean out the moths. When I find a moth or egg sack, I destroy them myself if I can. If you don't have a queen and the hive gets too weak, the moths will take over. I have had hives that were completely infested with moths and had only a few bees remaining. I froze the hives in a deep freezer and then cleaned the frames and reused them. Moths can make a real mess! Plus, they can destroy frames by chewing through the wood. Moths aren't contagious in the sense that foulbrood and other things are. I bought a chemical (can't think of the name offhand) to treat the supers against moth infestation. Good luck. I hope that you have a queen and that the hive survives. Louise Hudson, North Carolina USA -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Truck (long story) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:32:46 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <9936fa52.0209031538.9809468@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-212-159-160-115.access.uk.tiscali.com (212.159.160.115) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031128367 56408803 212.159.160.115 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dial-212-159-160-115.access.uk.tiscali.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33321 Nuc Skep wrote: > The next day, I removed the floor mats, a towel, sweatshirt, newspaper > and some mail that had been on the floor and were now dripping with > honey. I left them near some of my hives for the bees to clean up. I > figure these items had maybe another half gallon of honey on them. > This left about a half gallon that was embedded in the carpet of the > truck. The following day was Saturday. I started early on the > cleanup, but before long the bees discovered my truck and me. I had > bees all over as I was trying to scrub hot water into the carpet and > then suck it out with my shop vac. (I live in a quiet suburban > neighborhood and had more than one neighbor give me funny looks from > across the street.) I had to remove the seats, seat belts, side > panels, anything that could hide a little honey probably had some. (I > even discovered the gasket around the door is made somewhat like a > rubber hose and has little drain holes in it. The bottom part of this > was full of honey that would keep oozing out to the drain holes, > providing a novel type of bee feeder.) Finally by mid afternoon my > truck had the best cleaning it has ever seen, and I think I got all > the honey. The swarms of robber bees were still buzzing around, but > not finding anywhere to feed. > Next time why not just park the van near the hives with the doors open, the bees will clean it up for free. Ben. Article 33322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: my observations Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:06:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031162786 12.86.120.227 (Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:06:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:06:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:889 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33322 Hello, Installed my queen on 8/29/02.... For reference I have been observing larva and pupa (mostly pupa) being taken out of the hive dead... some of them are partially "eaten" it appears. 9/04/02 12:00pm CST Opened hive to check on queen release. Queen was released. Queen was also found on comb. Saw no eggs but that may be because of lack of experience or not enough time for her to begin laying. I saw a few larva in differing sizes, and lots of capped brood. This is obviously from the former queen that I was givin these frames from. Problems: Found several on each from of brood of pupa partially or fully uncapped. They are in the purple eye stage and obviously at this stage this is not normal. So I assume these pupa are dead and the workers are getting ready to clear the cells. I also observed 2 small hive bettles in hivetop feeder, so hive bettle infestation is confirmed. I also found on the bottom board lots of debris and in this debris I found worm like larva of what I assume to be the small hive bettle. Mold is also forming in the hive top feeder. I am now pretty sure that the dead pupa being dropped at entrance are victims of the small hive bettle since it is said the bettle will eat any and all things as it goes through the comb. _______________________________ Ok, that was my notes from this inspection... your thoughts? your proposed solutions? I assume I need to order some checkmite for the bettles. Many thanks, and I welcome your advise on this small hive bettle treatment.... how to treat etc. Article 33323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moth Date: 4 Sep 2002 19:08:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209041808.220205fa@posting.google.com> References: <3d745df3$1@news.mt.net.mk> <23e8adb1.0209030335.2c71b285@posting.google.com> <3D758741.85B8DBC2@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.14.242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031191683 18140 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2002 02:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 2002 02:08:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33323 > A strong hive will clean up the moths in short order. > > That's true, a strong hive will keep them at bay, but he pretty much described a hive on its way > downhill with no queen or brood. The moths will move in pretty quick and do lots of damage When I said a strong hive will take care of the moths I meant to suggest he combine his weak queenless hive with a strong queenright hive. Article 33325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Sting Index X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D77C476.21E51A6A@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:54:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!nntp5.savvis.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33325 FYI... http://www.udel.edu/SynClim/disisting.html Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 33326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "david" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031196601.457608@spynews5> Subject: ants Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 03:03:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.200.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031281416 165.247.200.242 (Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:03:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:03:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33326 does anyone have a good idea to stop the ants ... i have tried chemicals .. to kill the colony ... water in cans with the hives up on a stand ??????????? I see all the comercial guys with the hives on the ground why dont the ants get into their hives or do they ? David Article 33327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031196601.457608@spynews5> Subject: Re: ants Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:20:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031289654 12.86.120.69 (Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:20:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:20:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33327 I also have had problems with ants... it appears they only pose a problem with a newly established/weak hive. I had a swarm and the ants were all over the place... but they left and I got 5 frames of brood and the bees to go with it and I don't see a single ant except around the entrance cleaning up the dead bees they cart out. So I guess once you get them strong the ants actually help the hive.... but until then I know it can be a pain. Some suggested ant baits, ground drenches, stands with oil moat around legs. Now you can get some gardstar ground drench and I think that would take out the ants, and another problem you are bound to have if you are in the south... the small hive beetle. I am currently having problems with this beetle. "david" wrote in message news:cWUd9.10426$LI2.708060@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > does anyone have a good idea to stop the ants ... > > i have tried chemicals .. to kill the colony ... water in cans with the > hives up on a stand ??????????? > > I see all the comercial guys with the hives on the ground why dont the ants > get into their hives or do they ? > > David > > Article 33328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ymurti@yahoo.com (Yajna) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wax foundation Date: 6 Sep 2002 02:31:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.131.170.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031304709 31880 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2002 09:31:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2002 09:31:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33328 Can some one tell me where can I buy wax foundation? I am in Portsmouth. Thank You! Article 33329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Sep 2002 19:32:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Message-ID: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33329 Hi Guys, So if your in the states or elsewere. Can you actualy sell Propolis Everybody talks about it being a sellable comomidity. But no one ever offers to sell it I got one heathy supplier to say its wholesale value is about $8.00 an once but they did not offer to buy it either? So does anyone know were or who to sell it too? Then what does it sell for raw? Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI USA Article 33330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: brittandthatsall@yahoo.com (Britt Childress) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding and Fall Buildup Date: 6 Sep 2002 13:56:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3d5cb086$0$189$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.157.242.215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031345768 8983 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2002 20:56:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2002 20:56:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33330 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > "Britt Childress" wrote in message > news:oMwa9.70101$%v4.2874029@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com... > > Better watch feeding them this time of year- you might stimulate the queen > > to lay, then the workers will have to support the larvae, which get fed > > about every two minutes. > > Actually it is approximately every 20 minutes. ~--> This is from Clemson Uiversity's 1999 publication "Keeping Bees In South Carolina" and is in several bee physiology textbooks as well. > Britt) > You will have too high a population when winter does come. > (Peter) > I think this unlikely - it is good to have plenty of young bees going into > winter. The important thing is to control varroa so that those young bees > are free from deformed wing virus. (Britt response) ~--> Pollen stimulates the queen to lay. When pollen is present (as it is in the fall when late-season plants and trees flower for the year) the queen is all ready to go laying eggs- she gauges her last major lay of the year on nectar coming in. So how can her brood (which will hatch in 3 weeks) which need to warmed and fed, be of some use to the colony in the now-distant "nectar flow" (read: sugar feeding)? The bees will eat all the food until its gone. And spring's replenishment is months away. It happens to people trying to "help their colonies" this time of year. Feed now, you'll have to feed that much more this winter. This is of course only data collected by our local bee associations experiences. It may vary in your area depending on its temperance. One way to feed and suppress laying is by using pollen traps to prevent workers bringing all the pollen the want into the hive. Beware you must have a trap that allows SOME pollen to make it into the brood chamber as it is required for all life functions in the bee. Britt Childress- South Carolina Article 33331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jared Dyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Relocating Swarms, How Far So They Wont Return? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-PclpuQhcPIPSvpnRMShskjMKoDcSzNUHFE8 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:13:36 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 84 X-Trace: sv3-tV4Ur/SL6kLX61hGv5QvJ6Y7U7s6tgKjTBxKq83Ylp8T1d/tvnh1tuBiWRVrGN8q3uhfV7cLMN9Tlg7!Ars4ExtqC540wOXWSRYmCRsTTrlX6hKOck0NvWiDkhPWyQ/5QKLSO0EMPqZ58AnC7/kh0vou7+BU!wajT X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:13:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33331 On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:24:45 +0200, "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote: >Hi > >There is two different behaviour that may be involved > >Normal conditions > Let the swarm sit in a hive for a few days and move at night as one >answer suggested. >If conditions is normal (= nektar or other food source is available) the its >enough to move the bees 2,5-3 miles and they wont fly back. > > >Food shortage > Most species of bees that has it's origin in areas which yearly are >subjected to draughts do have a migratory behaviour. I.e. the whole hive >moves and can do short stops and collect some food and the move one. >With this behaviour they can move much more than 20 miles. What I read >suggestes up to and maybee more than 100 miles. Many of the african bees has >this migratory behaviour which would mean that if the canion has to much >bees already (=food shortage) some of the bees will migrate. > >The bees originating in Europe the just to sitt and starve when there is >food shortage. > >I would contact a larger local beekeeper and contract him to take care of >your beeproblem. >He would know if the bees are "keepable" or should be terminated. > > >How did the bird die? Tried to eat the bees or did they get attacked? Sorry about the delayed responce. They were attacked and only the colorful ones got stung. Female birds with plain colors were left alone. Thanks for the help. Jared > >If they got attacked one way of keeping agressive bees from swarming in to >your zoo area could be to over populate it with nice and friendly bees >making the area less attractive for migrating swarms > > >Hope you solve your problem > >Magnus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Jared Dyer" skrev i meddelandet >news:s93omukh1v80vec5nk9hb4q9t28ahqmdmr@4ax.com... >> I perform vector control at a local zoo and we currently have swarm >> traps out. We've been getting overwhelmed by swarms due to a drought >> in the area and started using swarm traps as a tool to help draw them >> away from the public and animal enclosures. So far it's been very >> successful. >> >> The problem I've been having, it appears the same bee's are >> returning after I release them a few miles away. How far do I need to >> drive them to ensure they won't return back to the zoo? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Jared > Article 33332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7A1DA2.907@hotmail.com> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Beekeeping Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-gZeKUvHN0zGQieLqJhd6kaupfehevLczTMCRw0= NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:39:16 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 12 X-Trace: sv3-V34YJ32UCxBCofvNq+sWeiKrIdem0B28AyuXqCuktXje2y/IVbtJP8aCPcc1Dl1iqje5NOnqZFVkFue!+54mOhPo1ytmr38lAF5PHeP0eZuLbKdTM8DfwKRJnnsm2ln1jiKChZUk5brEeno//QFIYQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:39:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!central.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33332 Hello All :) I've been teaching Novice Beekeeping through my web site for nearly 5 years. I hope you all get a chance to check it out. http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm is the main Beekeeping Page - I fully cover all of last years bee yard adventures through my on-line logbook and have over 20 dedicated sections covering all of beekeeping basics. Enjoy my site and I hope you email me. John Clayton Beemaster.com Article 33333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7A2266.10105@comcast.net> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Massive Beekeeping Site for Beginners... 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I hope you all get a chance to check it out. http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm is the main Beekeeping Page - I fully cover all of last years bee yard adventures through my on-line logbook and have over 20 dedicated sections covering all of beekeeping basics. Enjoy my site and I hope you email me. John Clayton Beemaster.com Article 33334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Korver" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USING ONLY 1/4 OF THE ENTRANCE Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:30:52 +0200 Organization: XO Communications B.V. Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hmm-dca-ap01-d08-175.dial.freesurf.nl X-Trace: azure.nl.gxn.net 1031419847 20609 62.100.41.175 (7 Sep 2002 17:30:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2002 17:30:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2.euro.net!blue.nl.gxn.net!azure.nl.gxn.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33334 TRIKER and WUFFMAN wrote about bees using only a quarter of the entrance. To TRIKER; yes you seem to be messing with your own head. The bees do not know that it looks nicer to you if they use the full entrance: - Maybe the bees are taking the shortest route to the food source. - Maybe the bees are taking the shortest route to the frames where most of the activity is for the present. - Maybe they have their airconditioning on and it is easier to come in with the wind than against the wind. All experienced beekeepers will admit that looking back they probably all over-manipulated their hives in the early days of their hobby. As soon as one has more experience one realises that although you learned a lot yourself, for the bees all these manipulations were very disruptive. It must be disruptive for a hive to be turned around 180 degrees. Worse, to move frames out of the centre and replace them with frames on the outside is just as disruptive and should normally only be done if you have a good reason for doing so. You may be moving young larvae to the outside without moving their nurse bees with them. You could chill young larvae on the outside. You may have disrupted the queen's laying pattern because the cells in which she wanted to deposit eggs have suddenly disappeared etc. Bob. Article 33335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:59:47 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <061lnu831ktf3hsevn9k7jbj2fdl9k1pdq@4ax.com> References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1031439268 30203 62.136.157.8 (7 Sep 2002 22:54:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2002 22:54:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33335 Yes, I'm interested in the answer as well in the UK. Who wants to buy? What type of buyer? On 06 Sep 2002 19:32:32 GMT, lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) wrote: >Hi Guys, > So if your in the states or elsewere. Can you actualy sell Propolis Everybody >talks about it being a sellable comomidity. But no one ever offers to sell it I >got one heathy supplier to say its wholesale value is about $8.00 an once but >they did not offer to buy it either? > So does anyone know were or who to sell it too? Then what does it sell for >raw? >Cheers, >Dave >In Madison,WI USA Article 33336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Sep 2002 23:02:27 GMT References: <061lnu831ktf3hsevn9k7jbj2fdl9k1pdq@4ax.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Message-ID: <20020907190227.04148.00002189@mb-cf.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33336 CC Pollen in Arizona buys propolis at $8.00lb. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bitter Honey Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:07:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.59.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031504866 65.58.59.63 (Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:07:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:07:46 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33337 I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) and I don't notice it. Thanks, George Denver, CO, USA Article 33338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7B4CE4.A95E9D6E@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:01:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1031508107 67.251.117.210 (Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:01:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:01:47 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33338 Lazurus106 wrote: > > Hi Guys, > So if your in the states or elsewere. Can you actualy sell Propolis Everybody > talks about it being a sellable comomidity. But no one ever offers to sell it I > got one heathy supplier to say its wholesale value is about $8.00 an once but > they did not offer to buy it either? > So does anyone know were or who to sell it too? Then what does it sell for > raw? > Cheers, > Dave > In Madison,WI USA I think that Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in Wilkesboro, North Carolina, buys it. The last time that I was there, a fellow had huge chunks that he was selling to the Bee Farm. I think that they offer credit for it; I'm not sure. They buy foundation wax, too. You could visit their website to see. My bees are about 18 miles from Brush Mountain Bee Farm, so it is very convenient for me to go there for supplies. Louise Adderholdt Hudson, NC (and Boomer, NC) Article 33339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peem" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do you know... 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Article 33340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> <5glqmusjgddcfg1vgt47h68i5oo4gurbkt@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? 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What time of year does knapweed bloom? My bees put this stuff up in June, I think. My bees are on hwy 93 outside of Golden. Thanks, George "Matthew W." wrote in message news:5glqmusjgddcfg1vgt47h68i5oo4gurbkt@4ax.com... ......> Our best (Colorado) honeycrop is Knapweed - which is the greatest > honey in 5 states. Not too sweet, has a slight green color to it, a > zesty finish and takes nearly a year to crystalize. The extension > agency now says South-Denver is the #1 capital for knapweed across the > U.S. I wonder though if other state extensions say the same thing to > their residents... In the city limits you're likely to get anything - > from noxious yellow-spurge to highly sweet and thin wildflower. > Some crystalize quickly so I would suggest extracting in mid august. > Personally I can't stand anything after tasting Knapweed. > ... Article 33341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis, can you actually sell it? Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 23:44:09 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20020906153232.23235.00001501@mb-co.aol.com> <3D7B4CE4.A95E9D6E@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.beleg.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1031524722 29570 62.136.136.148 (8 Sep 2002 22:38:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2002 22:38:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33341 OK, but WHY do they buy it. What are they doing with it? Who, what type of company in the UK would buy propolis? It's like venom, you see the Ukranian people advertising venom on this group, but who actually buys the stuff? On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:01:47 GMT, Louise Adderholdt wrote: ....>I think that Brushy Mountain Bee Farm in Wilkesboro, North Carolina,>buys it. Article 33342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:49:40 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGSPPKNkG4YFHEzGkflnkTNUYscbrW5jYnN/OpEzHFie3sRzYU9IuV X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2002 23:49:42 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gol.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33342 "George" wrote in message news:CtLe9.15397$6i4.1259944@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. > > Thanks, > > George > Denver, CO, USA George, Here in Virginia we get a short flow in late May/early June from Ailanthus (Tree of heaven). The honey is very light, with a nice starting flavor followed by a nasty after taste. Blended with other honeys the after taste is still noticable, but it's not nearly so bad. Keith > > Article 33343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey Date: 8 Sep 2002 17:18:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209081618.4ec6c4c8@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1031530732 12848 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2002 00:18:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2002 00:18:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33343 "George" wrote in message news:... > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. > > Thanks, > > George > Denver, CO, USA Got a lot of privet hedges in your area? Privet makes a bitter taste. Article 33344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7C7743.9080308@comcast.net> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you know... 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Over 90 pages, 30 topics and 400 images, all beekeeping related. I teach beekeeping to schools, 4H clubs and scouts through the Internet. Here is my Beekeeping site Address: http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm Also, check out my HOME PAGE http://www.beemaster.com where you'll find 30 more topics, including travel, cooking, etc.. Also, I recommend the book ( $19.95 us ) Beekeeping for Dummies, by Howland Blackiston - I did many images for this book, including the covershot. The book is a complete HOW TO GUIDE in the simplest laymans terms available. Let me know if it is helpful. John Clayton Beemaster.com Peem wrote: > Fellow Beekeepers, > > the BEST website about beekeeping - could you help me? > > > P. > > Article 33345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:03:57 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 55 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33345 Hi George, I have bees within 10 miles of you (or closer) right against the foothills. Those bees brought in something of what you're describing in taste around mid-summer but I remember it being reddish/dark brown. I've pulled out feral hives around Denver with some of this darker honey and surmize it's likely Yellow Spurge. Spurge is the nastiest honey I've ever tasted. Of what I remember, it's so much heavier than clover that it'll separate out like oil and water if you mix it with lighter honey. But with a little creative marketing you can still sell it! There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! Knapweed is nearly white - very clear with a slight golden tint. If you look through a jar you'll notice a lime green color to it but you'll never see the green while in the comb. Knapweed is fantastic honey, never bitter. You can sell if for double what you get for others. The zest at the end of your taste is more like a carbonated drink - leaving your tongue dry and wanting more... To answer your question - another great thing about Knapweed is that it blooms all season long. For you the season should be ~May 15 to Oct 15. The bees here are heavily working it (as of Sep 8) and the only thing saving them from winter starvation (drought killed everything else). Knapweed is very drought tolerant and needs a couple weeks of good - wet- weather to really give a good honey crop. You can get a super a week easily on an a decent Knapweed flow. Specialize your honey! Specialize your price! Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:07:46 GMT, "George" wrote: >Mathew: > >You may have answered my post about bitter honey. (See "Bitter Honey" >posted 9/8/02) > >Your description of knapweed honey sounds like mine. "...has a slight green >color to it, a zesty finish..."(seems bitter to me). What time of year does >knapweed bloom? My bees put this stuff up in June, I think. > >My bees are on hwy 93 outside of Golden. > >Thanks, > >George > Article 33347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:23:25 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 22 X-Trace: sv3-vOH2bz+BNZBWQmCCZsNF6dwypjGaRbyMmOfYlscgdIHJAHAbdJ7Aiw+5wkSXapJvYko0YWRf/gioehR!lPvw1ClJsIYxOwHnzjaoSor9F+FoKcrQNM8uunfBzI9gkEgXaknL4IIMyfw1uZDyWL0/VJqTbghW!CB7Hyyct3O2bTGw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:23:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33347 "Matthew W." > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! Hey Matthew: Where might one obtain reprints of these articles? Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Screened Bottom Boards and Winter? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D7CD8EE.F20D1156@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3D7CBFB4.A60FA0CC@uidaho.eduNOSPAM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:22:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33348 Matthew, I overwintered mine on screened bottoms last Winter with zero losses. I'm in Southern Kansas though and my winters aren't as severe as yours. I'm a hobbyist and I also use those hive stands available through brushy mountain that enclose the area under the bottom board, so I'm sure that this cuts down on the draftiness. They make it easier to do the sticky board tests. Billy Smart Rock, KS Matthew Pollard wrote: > > I would like to put in screened bottom boards. Do i need to take any > precautions for the winter with them? Do i need to worry about drafts? > What do i put the hives w/ screened bottom boards on? I mean should i > put a piece of plywood under each screened bottom board or do i just put > the hives back on the 2 rail-road ties with plenty of potential > air-drafts under them? > > I live in northern Idaho where the winter temperature is typically > 18-25F. But each winter we'll have a "cold" spell where we drop closer > to zero (0-15F) for a week. (every 10 years we get to about -20F BTW). > > Thanks > matthew > moscow ID Article 33350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7D07EE.1A54B135@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:43:26 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.38 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1031596044 66.20.225.38 (9 Sep 2002 13:27:24 -0500) Lines: 17 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33350 "Matthew W." wrote: > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! AWRIGHT!!! What's my bid on some healin' Goldenrod? AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Sep 2002 19:21:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Selling Propolis Message-ID: <20020909152115.20402.00002967@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33351 Greeting Kinsman, I called Beehive Botanicals and they are offering $4-6 per pound I didn't bother asking what the differance was between. Not worth the work to save it I think the lot will get pitched on the flower bed Course if you consider that the wholesale price is $7.90 an once, just who are they kidding. Maybe we need to set up a coop and get a little of our own. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 33352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:52:40 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> <3D7D07EE.1A54B135@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-080.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33352 I was told goldenrod jhoney is really good to cook with or make mead.... but if you realy want to sell it Im sure I can find some buyers here in oregon... healthfood nuts would pay an arm and a leg for it... I thing retail price now is over 3.00 a lb... and health food stores charge 3x that maybe more if it is comb honey.... "AL" wrote in message news:3D7D07EE.1A54B135@hcis.net... > "Matthew W." wrote: > > > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! > > > AWRIGHT!!! What's my bid on some healin' Goldenrod? > > AL > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screened Bottom Boards and Winter? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:54:21 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3D7CBFB4.A60FA0CC@uidaho.eduNOSPAM> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-122.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33353 Does anyone have a pattern to make screened bottom boards? Id like to build some and try them out... I read on some web site that it can reduce mites by 40% Brian "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:3D7CBFB4.A60FA0CC@uidaho.eduNOSPAM... > > I would like to put in screened bottom boards. Do i need to take any > precautions for the winter with them? Do i need to worry about drafts? > What do i put the hives w/ screened bottom boards on? I mean should i > put a piece of plywood under each screened bottom board or do i just put > the hives back on the 2 rail-road ties with plenty of potential > air-drafts under them? > > I live in northern Idaho where the winter temperature is typically > 18-25F. But each winter we'll have a "cold" spell where we drop closer > to zero (0-15F) for a week. (every 10 years we get to about -20F BTW). > > Thanks > matthew > moscow ID Article 33354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_fef9.427443$Aw4.17965045@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:09:30 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-gP8SiNZ5wp1JNvF5hI4tROmy89Zaar4lU5xoq6M6sVN+nplcz4C8HbYEe90m6RqCBMCfe/pgPX//ioN!tyAy9vd/n1kCPJJxvEoDC9mLMkGhzoAW3u77PK9MYmdM+6/DGQ6QMSDkWEe60SrX22kDcO2huQ3l!tDo5rGUr/5Ybxag= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:09:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33354 First "Matthew W." wrote: > > > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! Then I asked: > Hey Matthew: > > Where might one obtain reprints of these articles? Matthew replied privately but has a spam block on his addy, so the answer is here: http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/9_12_98/Bob1.htm Interesting article... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:54:20 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <9atqnuomt9gle4j4eomnji4j71o77vs25k@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 61 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33355 Here's some articles concerning my comment of honey & antioxidants: (took all of 3 seconds to find with "google" and keywords - "anitioxidant honey science":) http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/9_12_98/content.htm Focus on study by UI: http://www.news.uiuc.edu/scitips/02/0408honey.html Scienceagogo: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20020721175945data_trunc_sys.shtml another: http://www.cosmiverse.com/science04090205.html Most of the articles probably focus on a couple studies made by UI in the late 90's (99 &??) concerning antioxidants in honey. Did I hear a pin drop or was that price of 'terrible-tasting honey' going up? If the honey your bees brought in tastes something like honeydew, perhaps you should keep a copy of these articles on hand to stave off an assault .... "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" ? "How about a spoonful of glucose helps the fructose go down?"...there's a joke or jingle in there someplace Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:23:25 GMT, "The Rock Garden" wrote: >"Matthew W." > >> There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant >> qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker >> the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 >> times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For >> people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! > > >Hey Matthew: > >Where might one obtain reprints of these articles? > > > >Skip & Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, WA >http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > Article 33356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7D1F62.D307EACE@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bitter Honey References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:01:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1031637708 67.251.117.215 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:01:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:01:48 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33356 George wrote: > > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. > > Thanks, > > George > Denver, CO, USA Do you have mimosa trees? They give honey a bad taste. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <23e8adb1.0209081618.4ec6c4c8@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:27:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.59.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031660874 65.58.59.134 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:27:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:27:54 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33357 Don't think it's Privett - that a lingustrum shrub, right? "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0209081618.4ec6c4c8@posting.google.com... > "George" wrote in message news:... > > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > > and I don't notice it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > George > > Denver, CO, USA > > Got a lot of privet hedges in your area? > Privet makes a bitter taste. > Article 33358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bitter Honey - awful, nasty, Yellow Spurge? Lines: 73 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:33:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.58.59.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1031661219 65.58.59.134 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:33:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:33:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33358 Matthew: Thanks. I quess it's not knapweed, then. Mine is darker. It's not bad tasting - really it's pretty good but with that strange bitter aftertaste. How did your bees do this year? I heard about bees starving in Colorado, but mine (just 2 hives) are doing better than ever. That was surprising to me with this drought. Any bear problems? Mine were destroyed 2 years ago by one. George "Matthew W." wrote in message news:1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com... > Hi George, > > I have bees within 10 miles of you (or closer) right against the > foothills. Those bees brought in something of what you're describing > in taste around mid-summer but I remember it being reddish/dark brown. > I've pulled out feral hives around Denver with some of this darker > honey and surmize it's likely Yellow Spurge. Spurge is the nastiest > honey I've ever tasted. Of what I remember, it's so much heavier than > clover that it'll separate out like oil and water if you mix it with > lighter honey. But with a little creative marketing you can still > sell it! > There are several articles out concerning the anti-oxidant > qualities of darker honey. On a general scale apparently the darker > the better when it comes to "anti-oxidants" - some as much as 200 > times the lighter honeys (such as clover). So it tastes bad? For > people looking for 'healing' honey the bad taste would be a bonus! > > Knapweed is nearly white - very clear with a slight golden tint. If > you look through a jar you'll notice a lime green color to it but > you'll never see the green while in the comb. Knapweed is fantastic > honey, never bitter. You can sell if for double what you get for > others. The zest at the end of your taste is more like a carbonated > drink - leaving your tongue dry and wanting more... > To answer your question - another great thing about Knapweed is that > it blooms all season long. For you the season should be ~May 15 to > Oct 15. The bees here are heavily working it (as of Sep 8) and the > only thing saving them from winter starvation (drought killed > everything else). Knapweed is very drought tolerant and needs a > couple weeks of good - wet- weather to really give a good honey crop. > You can get a super a week easily on an a decent Knapweed flow. > > Specialize your honey! Specialize your price! > > Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO > > > > > On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:07:46 GMT, "George" wrote: > > >Mathew: > > > >You may have answered my post about bitter honey. (See "Bitter Honey" > >posted 9/8/02) > > > >Your description of knapweed honey sounds like mine. "...has a slight green > >color to it, a zesty finish..."(seems bitter to me). What time of year does > >knapweed bloom? My bees put this stuff up in June, I think. > > > >My bees are on hwy 93 outside of Golden. > > > >Thanks, > > > >George > > > Article 33359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unusual flow in a drought area - Colorado Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:58:15 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <834snu4ntm5hgfu2ndostlsg9l7k0tt94k@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto References: <1ncpnu0o0r7q22a0suqli25jh3so7u99jq@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 71 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33359 Hi George (and all) For those that don't know it, Colorado is one of those states hit hard by the drought this year. Feilds usully 5 feet high in meadow grass are barren or replaced by weeds. Our bees had a tough time in most (all?) locations. BUT - like you George, I have a few hives in the right place. Around Berthoud, CO (downstream from Carter Lake) there is still quite a bit of agriculture going on and they were one of the lucky communities to still have water flowing for irrigation. My 70-80 hives down in Castle Rock were -completely- starving and gave me a miserable experience everytime they were fed (robbing stings) up until the rains started ~2 weeks ago. Expecting to find the same dismal conditions to my group of 8 hives in Berthoud you can imagine how astonished I was to find hives supered over my head - full to the teeth! One hive gave me a deep and 3 supers, another 4 supers...and my truck was so loaded down I couldn't even take any from the remaining 3 hives. Every one was honey-bound. Last year (2001) I had learned the hard way that this area takes in some early honey. Usually we'll super hives around May 15'th but I had driven up to find all the hives honey-bound. The season was already over for them by May'15'th. So I thought I'd be smart this year and super my Berthoud hives in February. I had extra supers so I threw on 2 extra ono my biggest hive which teetered about 8' tall - thinking "wouldn't it be funny if the hive actually used that last super". It wasn't funny trying to bring down a FULL 65 lb super from that far over my head!!!!! AMAZING site! What are they working??? There's solid acres of sunflowers (grown for seed) nearby but I've never heard of them as strong nectar plants. Anyone? The honey is light, nearly white, tastes like clover BUT it will crystalize rapidly - usually within 3 months. Roughly half of the weight extracted was thrown back onto hives because it was crystalizing. Great food for my starving bees down here. But I haven't yet figured out what my Berthoud bees are working. I can tell the direction. It looks like a funnel cloud of bees all going one direction - and same direction as last year. So if I find some time next year I'll follow the flow and drive to find whatever they're after. AMAZING plant! George - as for bears see my next post regarding a USDA study on non-lethal means to discourage bears. Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO (and for those that want to email me: qualityramREMOVEthis@ANDTHAT@yahoo.ie (reconstruct my address by removing the "REMOVEthis@ANDTHAT" (despise spam) On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:33:39 GMT, "George" wrote: >Matthew: > >Thanks. I quess it's not knapweed, then. Mine is darker. It's not bad >tasting - really it's pretty good but with that strange bitter aftertaste. > >How did your bees do this year? I heard about bees starving in Colorado, >but mine (just 2 hives) are doing better than ever. That was surprising to >me with this drought. Any bear problems? Mine were destroyed 2 years ago >by one. > >George Article 33360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new USDA study under way - Bears and Bees Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:28:23 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: <5l5snuko3gqkhq40hjtasdff5rijbsfqqb@4ax.com> Reply-To: replyto X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 51 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33360 The USDA is looking into non-lethal means to control bear activities and has undertook a study in different states concerning the habitualization of bears to electric fences and various alarm sounds. Since the incidence of bears greeting humans is on the rise and most would rather see the bear scared off than killed, the USDA has taken some time to experiment with motion sensing alarms. They realize bears are smart and even the most clever of devices will trick bears for only so long - so they're studying the amount of time it takes before the bears become habitualized to the alarm (if any). The study: They purchased 18 hives (my lucky bees!) and using 3 locations on the Colorado Front Range (lots of bears) we're placing 6 hives in each location - 2 in electric fences (separate electric fences), 2 monitored by the motion alarm, and 2 as control. Each in separate locations roughly 300 feet apart and EACH is taped by VCR's which are also triggered by motion. Apparently this is only one leg of the study and bears are also studied in other states such as Wisconsin. Any other beekeepers out there have something to do with this study? There are states that have bears on the endangered list which are coming into dangerous contact with humans, driven down from the mountains from a lack of habitat of a a 'change in feeding habits' by going for the easier human leftovers. Beehives, of course, are a banquet for bears when discovered. Something like a refrigerator full of beer and sandwiches for some of us. If you lived in the mountains and wandered into one of these would you consider coming back? Apparently bears are so smart that in Yellowstone they will pick out a certain make of car because they know how to break into it. No, I don't know what kind - but it would be interested to find out. Last month my dad had an old gun-safe hidden in his mountain property to store his tools used to care for his property. He also had a bit of food - some MRE's(army- Meal Ready to Eat) and various snacks. He had it cabled to a tree with a 1/2" steel cable. He found it wide open with all his gear stuffed in a pile and every scrap of food eaten. The bear was so strong that it pulled the 1/2" cable loose at the clamp-end where it makes a loop - then he jiggled with the gun safe door until both locks were broken and STILL figured out how to open the door. Smart? I'll keep the group and Bee-L posted on the USDA's results. The guy running the show is interested in sharing the results since it would -hopefully- mean more effective bear control and less agricultural damage (beehives!) without killing bears on the spot. Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO Article 33361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Current Honey Prices Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:14:23 -0600 Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-141.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.120) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031688874 62357752 209.115.174.120 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-141.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33361 Does anyone have any idea what the limit is for the price of bulk white honey in North America? I thought $US 1.00 a pound was pretty good, but have heard as high as $1.62 US for bulk honey in drums! Has anyone here a good understanding of the market and how long the price can stay this high? Has anyone heard of other prices for other sales? I just got an offer for $ 2.10 CAD (US$ 1.34) for a load of white honey, without even bargaining hard. I'd like to hear comments from anyone, anywhere with any idea of where this is headed. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 33362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers worry about mosquito spraying Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:30:14 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1031689832.413418@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33362 see: http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/4035871.htm Article 33363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Sep 2002 22:16:51 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Current Honey Prices Message-ID: <20020910181651.00277.00002414@mb-ce.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33363 Hello, I just sold my amber tallow honey for $1.10 lb. The packer told me that he expected that prices would remain high for at least the next 2 years. Not this high but around .85 - .90 for amber. Currently they are wating for the Argentina Crop to come in. That will be a big issue in determing future prices. If they have a surplus then prices will come down a bit, but I've heard that they are not expected to have a surplus and could actually fall a bit under normal. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 33364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031689832.413418@savina> Subject: Re: beekeepers worry about mosquito spraying Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:17:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1031710677 24.31.194.116 (Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:17:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:17:57 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33364 "Teri Bachus" wrote > see: > http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/4035871.htm For background info on bees and spraying see: http://members.aol.com/gardenbees/ Also for more general info on the dangers and ineffectiveness of adulticide spraying by Columbia activist James Irwin, see: http://nospraynews.org/ -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 33365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super storage X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:38:07 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 18 X-Trace: sv3-ruc1ztjQzuf60WVmZ821T3FTF7bT8jvjWOASPG7YDkXMmJ0cELCkSytJZlbWK1qcVsZXxkqd5fV2Cgd!uCPTZWvTmA/UEdEdICvSLR7d6vbEwmCvm6kMPN8uR3U9Z5wiJF35aNon65/Ukn6qfPBXoKCRDLoR!aWOgHTQY0k3RRtU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:38:07 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!dfw3-feed1.news.algx.net!ord2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33365 Does anyone here have any experience using a defunct chest freezer to store supers with drawn comb to protect them from wax moths? If so, is mold a problem? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James E Doan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:00:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33366 Dutch Gold is offering $1.30 for White, $1.25 ELA, and $1.20 for LA. I understand that price is firm due to new reports of good honey flows in the Northern US on Goldenrod and the prospect of a decent pepper crop. Article 33367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: 11 Sep 2002 14:40:25 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.157 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33367 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:38:07 GMT, "The Rock Garden" wrote: >Does anyone here have any experience using a defunct chest freezer to >store supers with drawn comb to protect them from wax moths? If >so, is mold a problem? I've only been using two chest freezers for this for two years, but I have had no problems so far. I don't put them in the freezer immediately after extracting, rather I wait a week to dry. I do use paramoth in the freezers because moths/eggs may be present even when they are just extracted (and moreso after storing for an extra week). -Tim Article 33368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Super storage X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:53:14 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 33 X-Trace: sv3-njikmo4U3Rud4pzsiakNEZ4SVK8kwP5Cib8T0U9+5Dh61tE05eIHaRzkYpjqLCDNfN/PMEfT0dSskMc!vyfu3DU4z4z1o8YZgGTBzIi9TMG7XyKnUe5leDJliQyzJwXp2wrR6sVWEL++I8oLUG2gD91wdk8m!yZwRIKh9xVy7YNg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:53:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33368 "Tim Arheit" wrote > I've only been using two chest freezers for this for two years, but I > have had no problems so far. I don't put them in the freezer > immediately after extracting, rather I wait a week to dry. I do use > paramoth in the freezers because moths/eggs may be present even when > they are just extracted (and moreso after storing for an extra week). Thanks for your reply Tim. One thing I don't understand; if you are still treating with paramoth, why bother to store them in the freezer? What advantage are you gaining over merely stacking and treating? My thought was to be able to store *without* the need to treat for moths... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Super storage Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:21:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031768505 12.86.120.122 (Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:21:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:21:45 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33369 My thought was > to be able to store *without* the need to treat for moths... > You still need to treat regardless of how you store them. As said in the reply prior, the eggs of the moth can be in the supers prior to extraction. Thus no matter how good you seal them after, the eggs can hatch and cause damage. Article 33370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:34:55 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1031769295 62106145 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33370 Not sure if he said he had the freezer turned on or not : ) Some people store supers in old chest freezers "not working" just to keep things out... and still use crystals to knock out the moths... -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:ZQLf9.8520$1C2.709411@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > My thought was > > to be able to store *without* the need to treat for moths... > > > > > You still need to treat regardless of how you store them. As said in the > reply prior, the eggs of the moth can be in the supers prior to extraction. > Thus no matter how good you seal them after, the eggs can hatch and cause > damage. > > Article 33371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Sep 2002 21:08:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Non-Overwintering of bees Message-ID: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33371 I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior to winter) Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people thought about the practacality of this practice. Bill Article 33372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:58:31 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1031782141 10857 217.135.64.111 (11 Sep 2002 22:09:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:09:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33372 > You still need to treat regardless of how you store them. As said in the > reply prior, the eggs of the moth can be in the supers prior to extraction. > Thus no matter how good you seal them after, the eggs can hatch and cause > damage. I would not agree. I leave supers on the hives until the first frosts (usually November here in the Midlands, UK,) and can then store in unheated sheds without any danger from wax moths. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 33373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Black Drones? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:00:22 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3D7CE8BB.BFE70797@uidaho.eduNOSPAM> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1031782142 10857 217.135.64.111 (11 Sep 2002 22:09:02 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:09:02 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33373 >like a beatle is. Any insights > here? > thanks > matthew A Rolling Stone? Article 33374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you know... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:04:17 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-111.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1031782144 10857 217.135.64.111 (11 Sep 2002 22:09:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2002 22:09:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33374 Try our Association's site: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/. The links page (334 links and growing) should keep you busy for the rest of the year and you can then tell us which is the best site! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Peem" wrote in message news:alg9d4$8bs$1@news.onet.pl... > Fellow Beekeepers, > > the BEST website about beekeeping - could you help me? > > > P. > > Article 33375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Super storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2hSf9.328879$On.13613727@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:41:18 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 28 X-Trace: sv3-mLMMHYU7VMrhRrAtpTVefNrFCWRlxvi8C6jKIzKfM5YbFpO163HL9mF+ZqRl+NRueXk06UNw6g5Jgp3!8tE/+5AcIA5oXwV9xI6PilfLX/cNff87S3F3SZ/DNl6HEKt5VXkT7op8EW8rqOZ5LPnDl+IpbsUP!rqt4xm5t0IOmv/hLfQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:41:18 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33375 Just put them back on the hive after extracting. The bees will take care of them until the weather gets cold. I suppose you could take them off at that point, but it's not really necessary. West Texas Mark "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:j0yf9.567691$2p2.23377050@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > Does anyone here have any experience using a defunct chest freezer to > store supers with drawn comb to protect them from wax moths? If > so, is mold a problem? > > Skip > > > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > Article 33376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> From: Bee Guy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:36:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!216.65.160.204.MISMATCH!smallfeed.triton.net!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33376 WSkriba wrote: > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > to winter) > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > Bill I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal for a heart. My 2 cents. tao Article 33377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Sep 2002 03:23:35 GMT References: <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Message-ID: <20020911232335.17021.00000037@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33377 Hi All, Here in Wisconsin the state honey group we have one large producer of honey. Who every fall blows out all his bee's and starts new each spring with the cheapest packages he can find. He is rather looked down on by most if not all. There is something not quite right about working them then turning them out. The other consideration is when he is buying packages. We are selling splits having a positive cash flow in the spring is a nice plus. Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 33378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D802322.832813B1@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:24:22 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 29 X-Trace: sv3-FdGRvk3joggUcxBKXwHh2EC9cgZZUP9Pgi+bv8Di9CKnBTmitBQrSYSzZFDPZOWiW/o+MPQ9safRECn!dpSXbC7WkZAXYb2oANtr5lp5cI3Bu5KCZnEpf9aAgvzxcCk+0VGOtddsG9iuo5oemF4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:24:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33378 Bee Guy wrote: > > WSkriba wrote: > > > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > > to winter) > > > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > > > Bill > > I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive > of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal > for a heart. I seem to recall reading about some northern beekeepers actually practicing what Bill is suggesting. It may be somewhere in the Bee-L archives or maybe a google search of sci.ag.bee would turn it up. It seems that the justification given was from a commercial perspective stating it was less expensive to install all new pkgs in the spring than to treat and feed for overwintering. It sounds kind of harsh to me, but there's a whale of a difference between hobbyin' around with something and making a living at it. AL Article 33379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:41:15 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <2hSf9.328879$On.13613727@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d8.af.6c.7c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 12 Sep 2002 04:47:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33379 Wax moths primarily attack brood combs, they do little damage to white extracting combs. I have stored these outside and in sheds for 30 years with minimal wax worm damage. Brood combs I store on top of strong hives. Article 33380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D801E10.638EC2E1@bogus.address.mil> From: Bee Guy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> <3D802322.832813B1@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:51:07 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33380 AL wrote: > > Bee Guy wrote: > > > > WSkriba wrote: > > > > > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > > > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > > > to winter) > > > > > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > > > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > > > > > Bill > > > > I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive > > of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal > > for a heart. > > I seem to recall reading about some northern beekeepers actually > practicing what Bill is suggesting. It may be somewhere in the Bee-L > archives or maybe a google search of sci.ag.bee would turn it up. It > seems that the justification given was from a commercial perspective > stating it was less expensive to install all new pkgs in the spring than > to treat and feed for overwintering. It sounds kind of harsh to me, but > there's a whale of a difference between hobbyin' around with something > and making a living at it. I know it was done. I grew up in Wisconsin myself (Stoughton), but I'd like to think that we've become a little more "enlightened" in the last 30 years or so. I couldn't do it as a hobbyist, a hope that I wouldn't be able to do it if I were a commercial or side-liner keeper. tao Article 33381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_xKf9.574773$m91.23177375@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Super storage X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:00:58 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 31 X-Trace: sv3-Enz1Ox2KAng68TZinKHoiUehAJydr3eGPFtNopSOnLO1ybMgNGntT6z6u87rYSwcLd7VMK55ZcdvpU+!ugMSMp4pf1BUa6WN7zoEQ2K0UgGovpKqP6ePqaaapmgnMwRM8lbEMctoi9XDcrPEhhENzRqogkLp!cxogPwRnt+OHRaLL X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:00:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33381 "Peter Edwards" > I would not agree. I leave supers on the hives until the first frosts > (usually November here in the Midlands, UK,) and can then store in unheated > sheds without any danger from wax moths. Yeah, that's the way I handle it too. I put the wet supers back on, over the inner cover and they clean them out, moving what honey is left down. If I'm storing supers for a short period I lean them against a building so the air can flow through the frames. It is my understanding that moths won't lay eggs if there is air movement and a light source. So far it has worked for me. The reason I brought up the defunct freezer for super storage is for a moth-proof storage area during the early summer months, after winter storage but before they are needed on the hives. Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 33382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1031845411 24.62.89.183 (Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33382 > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > to winter) I haven't given thought to it, but there was a series of articles in American Bee Journal within the last year that argue the point. I believe Carl Wenning is the author of them. I personally find it offensive. Beekeepers are responsible for caring for the bees. > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > thought about the practacality of this practice. Let's see (per hive): Keep: - $10 Apistan - add another $15 if you want to take honey so late they can't build up stores and you need to feed - Total $25 Replace: - $40 new package/queen in spring I also believe a healthy, overwintered colony that gets a good jump on the spring can out-produce a new package by a lot in early flows. If you hire out for polination, you'd probably miss the market completely if not overwintering. -Steve Massachusetts Article 33383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:15:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip165.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33383 On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >> I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought >to >> not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off >prior >> to winter) > >I haven't given thought to it, but there was a series of articles in >American Bee Journal within the last year that argue the point. I believe >Carl Wenning is the author of them. > >I personally find it offensive. Beekeepers are responsible for caring for >the bees. > >> Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people >> thought about the practacality of this practice. > >Let's see (per hive): > >Keep: > - $10 Apistan > - add another $15 if you want to take honey so late they can't build up >stores and you need to feed > - Total $25 Plus the value of the overwintering honey removed! That alone will pay for the new package next spring. In colder climates it can take 50 to 100 pounds to get them through the long winters. On top of that you are garanteed that they will be alive come spring. Then add wintering costs like labor and hive wraps. It makes good sense. Raising bees commercially and as a hobby are two different things. > >Replace: > - $40 new package/queen in spring > >I also believe a healthy, overwintered colony that gets a good jump on the >spring can out-produce a new package by a lot in early flows. If you hire >out for polination, you'd probably miss the market completely if not >overwintering. While this is true here in the mid east it isn't in other places where they have long heavy summer and fall flows. > >-Steve >Massachusetts > > > Article 33384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D8105D3.1020205@comcast.net> From: John Clayton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2002 Beekeeping Course Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-aLoV2nYPlk624fI8qL9QyHSxXMM4JvgDlQ5Gn0= NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:23:34 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 12 X-Trace: sv3-V5QKBr3n0U67nLVuLYw6FIk8WbyevWiY0n10hM6tMpcNJRfz4nswhEhiaX2zjuYVB4epf6xFLLRZHvO!sfLeCT2rI3tsrVbGB1gAF0r40q34/ZlkCBQpsQHNwTaj7V6WQ+9XRs/s1H38zvSQvwZLyz+mS1c= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:23:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33384 Hi All :) Just a reminder to all new Beekeepers that I have a free online beekeeping course available to everyone - over 30 topics covered in great detail with hundreds of photos. http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm - Please share this with anyone you know with interesting in beekeeping. Thanks. John the Beemaster www.beemaster.com Article 33385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super storage Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:40:48 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <2hSf9.328879$On.13613727@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-176.cloyster.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1031865886 27706 217.135.94.176 (12 Sep 2002 21:24:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2002 21:24:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33385 Four reasons, at least, against leaving them on for the winter: Hive can blow over more easily. Woodpeckers have more to attack. Supers exposed to weather. More places for water to get into the hive. One possible solution is to take them off when it gets cold, stack them together (off the ground -could use pallets) with screens or fine wire netting to prevent rats and mice gaining access and cover with a tarpaulin. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Me" wrote in message news:2hSf9.328879$On.13613727@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > Just put them back on the hive after extracting. The bees will take care of > them until the weather gets cold. I suppose you could take them off at that > point, but it's not really necessary. Article 33386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:19:00 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-849.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33386 here is a question.... Does a hive that has been wintered produce more honey thatn a new hive? Provided both have drawn comb. Is there much differance in hive population come spring? Some other factors I would think would play a role in this decision.... The established bees will not leave like some packaged bees could. Established bees will have a head start in building up come first part of spring while you are still waitingfor the mail man to bring you package bees.. if it does not get lost in the mail or 1/2 of them die off... Do they retain any knowledge of were the best flowers are from previoous seasons? brian Article 33387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:03:42 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-33.aranel.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1031867899 29908 62.136.119.33 (12 Sep 2002 21:58:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2002 21:58:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33387 What does a package of bees cost and consist of in the US? I find it hard to believe it is seriously worthwhile killing and re-installing new packages. (Unless you're the guy breeding the nucs) You have to kill the bees and then, I assume, process and clean all the brood frames - or are you suggesting keeping them - yuk! However, as one contributor points out, you must miss out on the early build up. On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:15:24 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT, "Steve Huston" > wrote: > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought >to not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off >prior to winter) Article 33388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D8155B7.52AFC8FB@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:12:33 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 44 X-Trace: sv3-lGC1nTBnBcKT39phODI407jLK6VGoLEse/d9/BGTcJmSiyyDa/5EhOQ7QVDRwSk9cXmJGjnvUllVOUS!j5T0UYzgBFqzITZENPNBx8G9Q0eJgCHrr77xiYkRIRe42mG7CcKzv0kKFdIbahfDRV4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:12:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33388 Steve Newport wrote: > > What does a package of bees cost and consist of in the US? > I find it hard to believe it is seriously worthwhile killing and > re-installing new packages. You mean like so many of us do every year, unintentionally of course? :o > You have to kill the bees and then, I assume, process and clean all > the brood frames - or are you suggesting keeping them - yuk! The next year's pkg. would clean up the brood comb from the previous year with no problem. That's what happens with pkgs. installed in a dead hive from the previous winter - the new bees move in, clean house, and get the ball rolling for the new year. You say yuk, they don't. > However, as one contributor points out, you must miss out on the early > build up. Depends on when Spring springs - I think we are talking primarily about a practice of northern commercial beekeepers. A late spring could mean a low population anyway, so the difference could be minimal. I don't know that works since I'm not in a northern climate. A pkg. dropped into a box with drawn brood comb can build up pretty fast given a good queen. Speaking of queens, the non-overwintering method would avoid having to re-queen in the fall as many would suggest doing - don't recall seeing that factored into the expense equation. As for my house, we will continue to care for our bees year in and year out. AL Article 33389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D8105D3.1020205@comcast.net> Subject: Re: 2002 Beekeeping Course Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:40:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.80.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1031884852 12.77.80.159 (Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:40:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:40:52 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33389 I went through that and the log of a year of beekeeping.... was a wonderful day, if I take the plunge next year it will be a big help to me. Thanks. John Doerter Nashville TN Article 33390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:17:36 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: Reply-To: replyto References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33390 -Some- commercial beekeepers have done this for years. Anyone can see you can -likely- make more money by taking more from the bees & culling the hives. More profitable in the North than down south depending on how much -extra- honey you can steal from the bees. Personally I'm with the other beekeepers that find seasonal culling -completely- offensive. You're earning your dime off their toil and giving nothing in return. What are you a beekeeper for? It's one more short-sighted management practice that affects everybody over the long run. For example, if you're culling your hives can you contribute any genetic material for varroa-resistant queens? That would be a 'no' - but I'm sure you can count on your neighbor... to...do...this...for you. So you're not contributing to the struggle in keeping bees alive (bee management) but come spring, you're sure the first in line to buy your bees from the -beeKEEPERS- that do? Not that every beekeeper is looking in their backyard for varroa resistant bees - but you've just eliminated yourself from the possibilty by culling your hives. And what if 25% of beeHAVERS did this? What if 50%?... so why does it make it right if 1% do it? Just because you can? Because you can -take- (not earn) an extra $50 per hive in honey? Your decision, your bees, your right to short sighted decisions. IMHO ! (not speaking of 'you' personally - but of whomever would use the practice) I have an alternative for you - Look into fall splits into styrafoam (home-made or prefab) nucs. With the right combination of cluster-size, honey/pollen frames and insulation, you can over winter a softball sized cluster on ~3 deep frames of honey in below freezing winters and you'll be way ahead of the game by spring with bees busting at the seams. ABJ or Bee Culture, one of the two, had an article on Northern beekeepers with this practice and excellent results 2 or 3 years ago. Anyone know the article? A beekeeper here did it 2 years ago with great results (all alive by Feb & through a rough winter) until a herd of cattle stepped on all the 'styrafoam' nucs. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On 11 Sep 2002 21:08:05 GMT, wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) wrote: >I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to >not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior >to winter) > >Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people >thought about the practacality of this practice. > >Bill Article 33391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:56:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip163.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33391 On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:17:36 -0600, Matthew W. wrote: >-Some- commercial beekeepers have done this for years. Anyone can see >you can -likely- make more money by taking more from the bees & >culling the hives. More profitable in the North than down south >depending on how much -extra- honey you can steal from the bees. > >Personally I'm with the other beekeepers that find seasonal culling >-completely- offensive. You're earning your dime off their toil and >giving nothing in return. What are you a beekeeper for? > >It's one more short-sighted management practice that affects everybody >over the long run. For example, if you're culling your hives can you >contribute any genetic material for varroa-resistant queens? That >would be a 'no' - but I'm sure you can count on your neighbor... >to...do...this...for you. So you're not contributing to the struggle >in keeping bees alive (bee management) but come spring, you're sure >the first in line to buy your bees from the -beeKEEPERS- that do? Not >that every beekeeper is looking in their backyard for varroa resistant >bees - but you've just eliminated yourself from the possibilty by >culling your hives. And what if 25% of beeHAVERS did this? What if >50%?... so why does it make it right if 1% do it? Just because you >can? Because you can -take- (not earn) an extra $50 per hive in >honey? Your decision, your bees, your right to short sighted >decisions. IMHO ! > s. > >Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO > Since most beekeepers requeen honey producing colonies each year with new ones from the South, I fail to see your point. Keep in mind, they are killing resistant varroa as well which is actually a genenic help. beekeep Article 33392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:03:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3d81d2a1.864053387@news1.radix.net> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip163.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33392 On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:19:00 -0700, "Wuffman" wrote: >here is a question.... > >Does a hive that has been wintered produce more honey thatn a new hive? >Provided both have drawn comb. Is there much differance in hive population >come spring? > >Some other factors I would think would play a role in this decision.... > >The established bees will not leave like some packaged bees could. Properly installed packages usually stay. Packages that abscound are usually happen to beekeepers that think they are smarter than the guy that designed the queen cage and poke a hole through the candy plug! >Established bees will have a head start in building up come first part of >spring while you are still waitingfor the mail man to bring you package >bees.. if it does not get lost in the mail or 1/2 of them die off... These guys buy so many packages that they go pick up a truckload themselves saving a lot of the shipping cost. Properly packaged they arrive home just fine. > >Do they retain any knowledge of were the best flowers are from previoous >seasons? You don't honestly believe that an overwintered bee that has never left the hive can remember where a flower bloomed last year? >brian > beeKeep Article 33393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2002 Beekeeping Course Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:05:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3d81d44a.864478612@news1.radix.net> References: <3D8105D3.1020205@comcast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip163.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33393 On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:23:34 GMT, John Clayton wrote: >Hi All :) > >Just a reminder to all new Beekeepers that I have a free online >beekeeping course available to everyone - over 30 topics covered in >great detail with hundreds of photos. > >http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm - Please share this with >anyone you know with interesting in beekeeping. Thanks. > >John the Beemaster >www.beemaster.com > The library is free too but you can't get them to use it. beekeep Article 33394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1031925938 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:05:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:05:38 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:05:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33394 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT, "Steve Huston" > wrote: > >Let's see (per hive): > > > >Keep: > > - $10 Apistan > > - add another $15 if you want to take honey so late they can't build up > >stores and you need to feed > > - Total $25 > > Plus the value of the overwintering honey removed! That alone will > pay for the new package next spring. Yes, good point - _if_ the equipment never had meds (Apistan, etc.) in it. Else, the honey is only good for feeding bees next spring anyway. > Raising bees commercially and as a hobby are two different things. True. Although I try to make financially responsible decisions to make a profit, this is more of a hobby for me. > >I also believe a healthy, overwintered colony that gets a good jump on the > >spring can out-produce a new package by a lot in early flows. If you hire > >out for polination, you'd probably miss the market completely if not > >overwintering. > > While this is true here in the mid east it isn't in other places > where they have long heavy summer and fall flows. Ok, point well taken. So, concerning money, there are situations where killing off the bees in the fall makes more of it. However, on the philosophical and moral points, things become murkier for some. This is probably where all the differences are in reality. -Steve Article 33395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1031196601.457608@spynews5> Subject: Re: ants Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:33:44 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:40:57 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33395 We have fire ants and small black ants (sugar or "pissants" as they are called) and neither really create a problem to the colony unless they get inside the hive and create nest between the telescoping cover and an inner cover directly under it, when used this way. We discourage people from using inner covers this way- some "store" them this way but it creates a place that ants and hive beetles can get away from the bees who try to remove them. The past president of our local association tells of a fire ant mound beside a colony he had, sitting on the ground. He decided to leave it alone to see what if anything they would do to the colony, as fire ants are fat eaters and love insects of almost any kind/life cycle. The mound eventually measured 18 inches high and was actually mounded against the hive body & feed super. The colony did nbot suffer and when inspected no ants were found. We haev decided that when you do see ants in the colony, they are after the water content of what they remove. Fire ants aren't nectar feeders, and we have no evidence of them removing healthy brood from the hives. One plus is they do seem to take care of any hive beetle larvae that have dropped into the soil around the hive to pupate. So Fire Ants might have some benefits after all. Hive beetles are a pain. One thing we are doing here for them is filling a honey bear with canola oil and then using it to drop some in between the ends of the top bars, where a small space is created when all the frames are in place- especially if you use frame spacers. The bees patrol this area but can't really get around in the small space, and tend to propolize it. This creates a"cup" to hold the oil- the beetles get in it a drown. Try not to get it down in the colony when putting it in. This is a little non-pecticide trick to help with those little bastards. Sorry for the word use, they have wreaked havoc in our area (Columbia South Carolina) and killed 25% of the local colonies in their first 5 years here. Britt Childress Article 33396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:18:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3d829bdd.915552447@news1.radix.net> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip177.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33396 On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:05:38 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3d80d7fd.799908933@news1.radix.net... >> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:31 GMT, "Steve Huston" >> wrote: >> >Let's see (per hive): >> > >> >Keep: >> > - $10 Apistan >> > - add another $15 if you want to take honey so late they can't build >up >> >stores and you need to feed >> > - Total $25 >> >> Plus the value of the overwintering honey removed! That alone will >> pay for the new package next spring. > >Yes, good point - _if_ the equipment never had meds (Apistan, etc.) in it. >Else, the honey is only good for feeding bees next spring anyway. > Why would meds have been used if you are going to kill them anyway? Also you do see ads in the bee rags offering these bees for sale which adds more to the profit margin. beekeep Article 33397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:59:27 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-183.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33397 > Personally I'm with the other beekeepers that find seasonal culling > -completely- offensive. You're earning your dime off their toil and > giving nothing in return. What are you a beekeeper for? Whoa!!!! how is this paractice any differnt from raising steers you raise them feed them and kill them.... they are fixed before the breed..... Personaly I don't see a differance. BTW I won't do it cause here its a mild winter and I would think that if on a normal season I pull the suppers and use that honey when they gather over the rest of the summer is theres... I could see the benifit of not having to treat for mites or other dieseases... I do have plans to start 2 new colinies next spring.... and replace any of the 3 I have if they die out.... I also don't think I will try packaged bees.. Im going to get me nucs.... they are 40.00 USD each and I think it is worth it.... brian Salem Oregon USA Article 33398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:20:48 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: Reply-To: replyto References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33398 >> >Since most beekeepers requeen honey producing colonies each year with >new ones from the South, I fail to see your point. Keep in mind, they >are killing resistant varroa as well which is actually a genenic help. > >beekeep ON the table - I'm attempting to make beekeepers whom would cull hives look beyond this years profits. As beekeepers we're interfering a great deal with natural selection. Requeening hives takes us the the proverbial edge where we place our bets that our 'interference' will beat what mother nature has in store for us. All so we can manage honeybees to our advantage. Culling hives is one more important step taken against natural selection...that is, one more step that drops us off the "proverbial edge". The difference over requeening (!) is that over-wintered (surviving) hives WILL spit off fall and spring drones and possilby a few 'loose' spring swarms. And what about the drones that are alive in the hive when we requeen? With culling there's simply no possibility of contribution for natural/artificial selection. Just using up a resource. Akin to the difference of clear-cutting a forest without reseeding/replanting. If it's all about profits, then culling hives might be in your interest. But a "BeeKeeper" keeps bees for management - and "BeeHavers" do not.... If the distinction isn't important, jump in. My 2 cents anyway, Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO Article 33399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sugar syrup in supers Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <41Eg9.1285$rO5.47152@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:20:44 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.5.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1031998656 62.255.5.8 (Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:17:36 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:17:36 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33399 I collected a swarm in early July. I fed them plenty of sugar syrup for a week to give them a good start. They soon filled the Brood chamber so I put a super on, and then another. Now I want to take off some honey, BUT I saw that the bees were making space in the brood chamber by moving the clear syrup up into the first super. The frames now look like dark capped honey, but I guess the honey must be part syrup. How can I tell? I don't want to waste time extracting sugar. Is it so that every time you feed bees sugar you will end up with some unknown quantity of sucrose in the honey? I am a novice in the SW UK. -- Tim W I had nothing to offer anybody except my own confusion - Jack Kerouac Article 33400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:31:30 +0100 Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-473.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1032003047 11394 217.134.97.217 (14 Sep 2002 11:30:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 2002 11:30:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33400 "Wuffman" wrote in message news:alu59b0jc@enews2.newsguy.com... > > Personally I'm with the other beekeepers that find seasonal culling > > -completely- offensive. You're earning your dime off their toil and > > giving nothing in return. What are you a beekeeper for? My thoughts as well. > > > Whoa!!!! how is this paractice any differnt from raising steers you raise > them feed them and kill them.... they are fixed before the breed..... Because it's like killing the whole herd not the offspring. In the UK we used to kill most cattle in the Autumn....in the middle ages. > > Personaly I don't see a differance. BTW I won't do it cause here its a mild > winter and I would think that if on a normal season I pull the suppers and > use that honey when they gather over the rest of the summer is theres... I > could see the benifit of not having to treat for mites or other dieseases... > I do have plans to start 2 new colinies next spring.... and replace any of > the 3 I have if they die out.... > > I also don't think I will try packaged bees.. Im going to get me nucs.... > they are 40.00 USD each and I think it is worth it.... > > brian > Salem Oregon USA I rather hope this practice gets some publicity here in the UK, it could only help sales of UK honey. We're selling a 'wholesome', 'natural' product, culling bees in the Autumn because it's to troublesome to overwinter them hardly fits that image. Peter UK > > > > Article 33401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:15:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 62 Message-ID: <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip147.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!skynet.be!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33401 On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:20:48 -0600, Matthew W. wrote: >>> >>Since most beekeepers requeen honey producing colonies each year with >>new ones from the South, I fail to see your point. Keep in mind, they >>are killing resistant varroa as well which is actually a genenic help. >> >>beekeep > > >ON the table - I'm attempting to make beekeepers whom would cull hives >look beyond this years profits. > > As beekeepers we're interfering a great deal with natural >selection. Requeening hives takes us the the proverbial edge where we >place our bets that our 'interference' will beat what mother nature >has in store for us. All so we can manage honeybees to our advantage. > >Culling hives is one more important step taken against natural >selection...that is, one more step that drops us off the "proverbial >edge". The difference over requeening (!) is that over-wintered >(surviving) hives WILL spit off fall and spring drones and possilby a >few 'loose' spring swarms. And what about the drones that are alive >in the hive when we requeen? >With culling there's simply no possibility of contribution for >natural/artificial selection. Just using up a resource. Akin to the >difference of clear-cutting a forest without reseeding/replanting. > >If it's all about profits, then culling hives might be in your >interest. But a "BeeKeeper" keeps bees for management - and >"BeeHavers" do not.... If the distinction isn't important, jump in. > >My 2 cents anyway, > >Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO When you have put your children through college with keeping bees as your only income then you may have a point. Otherwise that is why those beekeepers do what they have to do to get the most out of their endevors. If I were one of them I wouldn't care less what some hobbyist with a couple of dozen hives thought any more than a turkey farmer cares what PITA thinks at Thanksgiving. If you keep 2000 hives and can milk an extra $50.00 out of each one, you do it. If you can't take the killing you don't raise any animals. As far as the BeeKeeper/BeeHaver thing goes that only applies to hobbyists. There is no such thing as a commercial beeHaver. Being a commercial beekeeper is as high as you can get on the beekeeping scale. There are a lot of Master beekeepers out there that would starve to death if they had to survive by keeping bees. The true test to see if you are a beekeeper is to quit your job and make a living at it. Those of us that have would have it no other way. Greg "beekeep" Ferris Commercial Beekeeper Southern Maryland Article 33402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:04:47 +0100 Lines: 78 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1559.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1032008644 16428 217.134.230.23 (14 Sep 2002 13:04:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 2002 13:04:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33402 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net... > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:20:48 -0600, Matthew W. > wrote: > > >>> > >>Since most beekeepers requeen honey producing colonies each year with > >>new ones from the South, I fail to see your point. Keep in mind, they > >>are killing resistant varroa as well which is actually a genenic help. > >> > >>beekeep > > > > > >ON the table - I'm attempting to make beekeepers whom would cull hives > >look beyond this years profits. > > > > As beekeepers we're interfering a great deal with natural > >selection. Requeening hives takes us the the proverbial edge where we > >place our bets that our 'interference' will beat what mother nature > >has in store for us. All so we can manage honeybees to our advantage. > > > >Culling hives is one more important step taken against natural > >selection...that is, one more step that drops us off the "proverbial > >edge". The difference over requeening (!) is that over-wintered > >(surviving) hives WILL spit off fall and spring drones and possilby a > >few 'loose' spring swarms. And what about the drones that are alive > >in the hive when we requeen? > >With culling there's simply no possibility of contribution for > >natural/artificial selection. Just using up a resource. Akin to the > >difference of clear-cutting a forest without reseeding/replanting. > > > >If it's all about profits, then culling hives might be in your > >interest. But a "BeeKeeper" keeps bees for management - and > >"BeeHavers" do not.... If the distinction isn't important, jump in. > > > >My 2 cents anyway, > > > >Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO > > When you have put your children through college with keeping bees as > your only income then you may have a point. Otherwise that is why > those beekeepers do what they have to do to get the most out of their > endevors. If I were one of them I wouldn't care less what some > hobbyist with a couple of dozen hives thought any more than a turkey > farmer cares what PITA thinks at Thanksgiving. If you keep 2000 hives > and can milk an extra $50.00 out of each one, you do it. If you can't > take the killing you don't raise any animals. This saddens me. The great thing about bees is that it doesn't (or I thought it didn't) involve the killing of increasingly large numbers of animals just to financially stand still that the kind of agriculture I used to be involved in does. It will remain this way in the UK and I am confident that better informed UK consumers would avoid honey produced in such a way. You could also make a living sending children up chimneys - it's about standards. I suppose there are a few pounds of honey within the bees honey sacks, maybe they should be pressed and this extracted too. > > > As far as the BeeKeeper/BeeHaver thing goes that only applies to > hobbyists. There is no such thing as a commercial beeHaver. Being a > commercial beekeeper is as high as you can get on the beekeeping > scale. There are a lot of Master beekeepers out there that would > starve to death if they had to survive by keeping bees. The true test > to see if you are a beekeeper is to quit your job and make a living at > it. Those of us that have would have it no other way. > > Greg "beekeep" Ferris > Commercial Beekeeper > Southern Maryland > > > > Article 33403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bacon @ Eggss" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Message-ID: <140920020833549021%toast@jam.com> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:34:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1032014096 161.184.141.129 (Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:34:56 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:34:56 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33403 > Peter Hearnden wrote: > We're selling a 'wholesome', 'natural' product, culling bees in the > Autumn because it's to troublesome to overwinter them > hardly fits that image. Well Peter.... Eggs are marketed as a "wholesome" product around the world, but I don't see too many people dwelling on the fact that an egg comes out of the ass end of a chicken. Well Peter.... Beef is marketed as a "wholesome" product around the world, but I don't see too many people dwelling on the fact that a bolt gets driven through a cow's head, after which the carcass is hung on hooks by it's hooves and disembowled, somethimes, while still technically alive. Article 33404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D837598.514808AC@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:53:15 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 75 X-Trace: sv3-0W1AyW32YMHY5mBlRr/C/A2kqXMN42BXUrkrAltTGcsllU7rHElo3qpFjtmvBm9tmj4gmkX8vHoSTwz!m+/kufIT/vwwOhbsQhdQn3/voWJIfR49fcZ3yV1tybon+iXaWOqfMYVXZEDaX+Gao8Fm X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:53:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33404 "Matthew W." wrote: [...] > > As beekeepers we're interfering a great deal with natural > selection. Requeening hives takes us the the proverbial edge where we > place our bets that our 'interference' will beat what mother nature > has in store for us. All so we can manage honeybees to our advantage. Proverbial edge? If ya ain't livin' on the edge, yer takin' up too much room... Have you ever seen an ear of corn produced by natural selection? Think indian corn, or worse. Ok for autumn decorations but not what I hope to put on my table. How about feral hogs? That is 'natural' selection. I can't imagine a fine pork chop coming from one of those critters. My point is, we 'interfere' with mother nature all the time, if you want to call it interference. We manage all sorts of life forms to our advantage - so what? If you raise cattle I'll bet its not for the cattle's sake you do it - I'll bet you are going to $ell them for ca$h, or kill 'em and eat 'em. That would be to your 'advantage' wouldn't it? As for sheep - well, I'm just not goin' there... :) FWIW, I don't interfere with my bees' natural selection - but then I'm kinda lazy that way. > Culling hives is one more important step taken against natural > selection...that is, one more step that drops us off the "proverbial > edge". The difference over requeening (!) is that over-wintered > (surviving) hives WILL spit off fall and spring drones and possilby a > few 'loose' spring swarms. And what about the drones that are alive > in the hive when we requeen? I didn't exactly follow that. > With culling there's simply no possibility of contribution for > natural/artificial selection. Just using up a resource. Akin to the > difference of clear-cutting a forest without reseeding/replanting. That seems like an odd analogy to me. If this year's bees are like the harvested trees, then wouldn't next year's new pkgs be like reseeding/replanting??? Wouldn't culling be more like harvesting say, tomatoes/corn/turnips/etc, and burning off the vines/stalks/tops? These are the expendable parts necessary for the product. The bees are expendable parts necessary to produce honey. > If it's all about profits, then culling hives might be in your > interest. But a "BeeKeeper" keeps bees for management - and > "BeeHavers" do not.... If the distinction isn't important, jump in. I agree there is a distinction between beekeeping and beehaving. I would question whether you should be the one defining that distinction. AL Article 33405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" Subject: Wax Moths Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:38:16 -0600 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.24.240.155 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed.news.msn.com!cpimsnntpa03.news.msn.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33405 While cleaning out under the varroa screen I keep my bees on I noticed one hive had a infestation of lesser wax moth under the screen and on top of the plastic sheet I keep there to catch debris and mites etc. The hive was strong and no evidence of moths in the hive proper, just underneath the screen. Must have been feeding on the hive droppings. Article 33406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <41Eg9.1285$rO5.47152@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Subject: Re: Sugar syrup in supers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:54:46 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 34 X-Trace: sv3-WhfuHezhHQ9appflFXtkkXHk9/C+atNBm40ED/qNEdT8un+DKW3HRH2h/pIKF5qx5PBj8lBG3B6Du8v!TLvYUMkZ0dafSK+uOch2PS/zVyiRfz/dYJwP2lkT3aG3ANkcBsIwP1hiLgDGZKxoi1V8N+KG/h7p!IV2KY1YOA2dilrHL X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:54:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33406 Nectar is mainly sucrose and is converted into other sugars by the enzymes added by the bees when they carry it in their honey stomach. So to answer your question, the sugar water you feed may be stored, but it will be converted into honey. You really don't have a choice when you have to feed them to draw out comb. Bees will only make comb if there is a nectar flow on. Whether it's sugar water or nectar. Of course the bees will choose real nectar over sugar water every time. So, if you only fed them for a week, but you have several supers drawn out, you can be certain very little of it came from your sugar water. Give it a taste and use your own judgement. West Texas Mark > I collected a swarm in early July. I fed them plenty of sugar syrup for > a week to give them a good start. They soon filled the Brood chamber so > I put a super on, and then another. Now I want to take off some honey, > BUT I saw that the bees were making space in the brood chamber by moving > the clear syrup up into the first super. The frames now look like dark > capped honey, but I guess the honey must be part syrup. > > How can I tell? I don't want to waste time extracting sugar. Is it so > that every time you feed bees sugar you will end up with some unknown > quantity of sucrose in the honey? I am a novice in the SW UK. > > > -- > Tim W > > I had nothing to offer anybody except my own confusion > - Jack Kerouac > > > Article 33407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 98 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:26:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032042414 12.86.120.234 (Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:26:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:26:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33407 If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. As far as the "pressing" of the bees goes.... I imagine if it were a profitable process ie. cost of pressing bees < sale price yields from honey from pressed bees, people would do it. A business by definition is out to make the most amount of profit for the lest amount of expense. Simple logic, and to think differently is to deny reality. "Peter Hearnden" wrote in message news:alvc44$g1c$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net... > > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:20:48 -0600, Matthew W. > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > >>Since most beekeepers requeen honey producing colonies each year with > > >>new ones from the South, I fail to see your point. Keep in mind, they > > >>are killing resistant varroa as well which is actually a genenic help. > > >> > > >>beekeep > > > > > > > > >ON the table - I'm attempting to make beekeepers whom would cull hives > > >look beyond this years profits. > > > > > > As beekeepers we're interfering a great deal with natural > > >selection. Requeening hives takes us the the proverbial edge where we > > >place our bets that our 'interference' will beat what mother nature > > >has in store for us. All so we can manage honeybees to our advantage. > > > > > >Culling hives is one more important step taken against natural > > >selection...that is, one more step that drops us off the "proverbial > > >edge". The difference over requeening (!) is that over-wintered > > >(surviving) hives WILL spit off fall and spring drones and possilby a > > >few 'loose' spring swarms. And what about the drones that are alive > > >in the hive when we requeen? > > >With culling there's simply no possibility of contribution for > > >natural/artificial selection. Just using up a resource. Akin to the > > >difference of clear-cutting a forest without reseeding/replanting. > > > > > >If it's all about profits, then culling hives might be in your > > >interest. But a "BeeKeeper" keeps bees for management - and > > >"BeeHavers" do not.... If the distinction isn't important, jump in. > > > > > >My 2 cents anyway, > > > > > >Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO > > > > When you have put your children through college with keeping bees as > > your only income then you may have a point. Otherwise that is why > > those beekeepers do what they have to do to get the most out of their > > endevors. If I were one of them I wouldn't care less what some > > hobbyist with a couple of dozen hives thought any more than a turkey > > farmer cares what PITA thinks at Thanksgiving. If you keep 2000 hives > > and can milk an extra $50.00 out of each one, you do it. If you can't > > take the killing you don't raise any animals. > > This saddens me. The great thing about bees is that it doesn't (or I thought > it didn't) involve the killing of increasingly large numbers of animals > just to financially stand still that the kind of agriculture I used to be > involved in does. It will remain this way in the UK and I am confident that > better informed UK consumers would avoid honey produced in such a way. You > could also make a living sending children up chimneys - it's about > standards. > > I suppose there are a few pounds of honey within the bees honey sacks, maybe > they should be pressed and this extracted too. > > > > > > As far as the BeeKeeper/BeeHaver thing goes that only applies to > > hobbyists. There is no such thing as a commercial beeHaver. Being a > > commercial beekeeper is as high as you can get on the beekeeping > > scale. There are a lot of Master beekeepers out there that would > > starve to death if they had to survive by keeping bees. The true test > > to see if you are a beekeeper is to quit your job and make a living at > > it. Those of us that have would have it no other way. > > > > Greg "beekeep" Ferris > > Commercial Beekeeper > > Southern Maryland > > > > > > > > > > Article 33408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:32:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032042726 12.86.120.234 (Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:32:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:32:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33408 Peter Hearnden, What say you about the slaughter, abuse, and mistreatment of millions of vegetables each and every day? Plants have feelings too, and if you say "no they don't" then it sounds like your peta inspired mentality has not educated you quite enough. "Peter Hearnden" wrote in message news:alv6l7$b42$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Wuffman" wrote in message > news:alu59b0jc@enews2.newsguy.com... > > > Personally I'm with the other beekeepers that find seasonal culling > > > -completely- offensive. You're earning your dime off their toil and > > > giving nothing in return. What are you a beekeeper for? > > My thoughts as well. > > > > > > Whoa!!!! how is this paractice any differnt from raising steers you > raise > > them feed them and kill them.... they are fixed before the breed..... > > Because it's like killing the whole herd not the offspring. In the UK we > used to kill most cattle in the Autumn....in the middle ages. > > > > Personaly I don't see a differance. BTW I won't do it cause here its a > mild > > winter and I would think that if on a normal season I pull the suppers and > > use that honey when they gather over the rest of the summer is theres... I > > could see the benifit of not having to treat for mites or other > dieseases... > > I do have plans to start 2 new colinies next spring.... and replace any of > > the 3 I have if they die out.... > > > > I also don't think I will try packaged bees.. Im going to get me nucs.... > > they are 40.00 USD each and I think it is worth it.... > > > > brian > > Salem Oregon USA > > I rather hope this practice gets some publicity here in the UK, it could > only help sales of UK honey. We're selling a 'wholesome', 'natural' product, > culling bees in the Autumn because it's to troublesome to overwinter them > hardly fits that image. > > Peter > > UK > > > > > > > > > > Article 33409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:59:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3d83e89c.25576141@news1.radix.net> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip181.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33409 On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:32:06 GMT, "Ccdrogan" wrote: >Peter Hearnden, > >What say you about the slaughter, abuse, and mistreatment of millions of >vegetables each and every day? > >Plants have feelings too, and if you say "no they don't" then it sounds like >your peta inspired mentality has not educated you quite enough. > Particurly potatos! First they are dug up and the family is separated from one another. Then they have chemicals sprayed in their eyes! Later they have their eyes cut out and are skined alive before being cut up and thrown into boiling oil. Shame on those heartless potato farmers. beekeep Article 33410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7734-3D840D36-589@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <3d83e89c.25576141@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRfYlk/sQolkn7AkiLdv8WZI7058gIVAIBh+JSA9hWAYjmTZZYKwolZE5Bl Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33410 Personally, I buy veggies to set them free.(^; As for bees, all I can think about is how much I hate to kill one while inspecting them or removing honey supers, especially in my gentler hives. And no I will never get rich from beekeeping. BTW, if we are talking about blowing bees out of thousands of hives (or even hundreds), where do they all go before they die? I have this mental picture of millions of bees scrambling to get in out of the cold. IMHO, to kill bees on purpose is barbaric unless, of course, you plan to eat them. Article 33411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d83e89c.25576141@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:53:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032072811 12.86.120.126 (Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:53:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:53:31 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33411 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d83e89c.25576141@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:32:06 GMT, "Ccdrogan" > wrote: > > >Peter Hearnden, > > > >What say you about the slaughter, abuse, and mistreatment of millions of > >vegetables each and every day? > > > >Plants have feelings too, and if you say "no they don't" then it sounds like > >your peta inspired mentality has not educated you quite enough. > > > Particurly potatos! First they are dug up and the family is separated > from one another. Then they have chemicals sprayed in their eyes! > Later they have their eyes cut out and are skined alive before being > cut up and thrown into boiling oil. > > Shame on those heartless potato farmers. > > beekeep Wow! LOL... that is a good one. But seriously, studies have been done and while everyone knows plants are "alive" they tend to not think of them as we do other living things. But studies have shown that plants especially certain types of plants are very sentient of their environment, show defense mechanisms, communication, even group defense mechanisms (one plant forwarning another etc.). So if you are gonna scream for the rights of the living, don't enjoy yourself at that next salad. I am an equal opertunity killer. > > Article 33412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D83A957.ED18ECAB@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0eWg9.29696$jG2.2228374@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:00:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032073212 12.86.120.126 (Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:00:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:00:12 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33412 I have been thinking about this "culling" and the morals of it. Should we have any more "respect" for the hive than the bees do? When a worker is of no more use to the hive they crawl off and die, when it is no longer useful to have drones, perfectly healthy living drones are drug out and left to die, when food is short eggs/larva/pupa are taken out or even eaten! Bees operate on most reward for the least amount of expense... kinda like a business. They do what will be best for the hive and damn the poor little drone that gets in the way of that. Well, that sounds alot like the beekeeper that does this for a living (note I said LIVING, not as a hobby). For this beekeeper, the profit margin is his survival. Knowing this, I am sure the bees would understand since they do the very same to their own sisters every day! "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D83A957.ED18ECAB@atlas.localdomain... > Wuffman wrote: > > > > > > Whoa!!!! how is this paractice any differnt from raising steers you raise > > them feed them and kill them.... they are fixed before the breed..... > > > You don't discard the steer after you've killed it. You do the bees. > > > brian > > Salem Oregon USA > > Louise > -- > Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any > n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D83A957.ED18ECAB@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:46:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1032072413 67.251.117.120 (Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:46:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:46:53 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33413 Wuffman wrote: > > > Whoa!!!! how is this paractice any differnt from raising steers you raise > them feed them and kill them.... they are fixed before the breed..... > You don't discard the steer after you've killed it. You do the bees. > brian > Salem Oregon USA Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D83A875.23D93296@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:46:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1032072412 67.251.117.120 (Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:46:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:46:52 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33414 "Matthew W." wrote: > Culling hives is one more important step taken against natural > selection...that is, one more step that drops us off the "proverbial > edge". The difference over requeening (!) is that over-wintered > (surviving) hives WILL spit off fall and spring drones and possilby a > few 'loose' spring swarms. And what about the drones that are alive > in the hive when we requeen? > With culling there's simply no possibility of contribution for > natural/artificial selection. Just using up a resource. Akin to the > difference of clear-cutting a forest without reseeding/replanting. > I agree. And to me, it's like owners of greyhound racers who 'cull' the dogs when they are no longer profitable and kill them or let them starve to death. Too many living things on this earth are just man's throw-aways for the sake of money. What a shame. > If it's all about profits, then culling hives might be in your > interest. But a "BeeKeeper" keeps bees for management - and > "BeeHavers" do not.... If the distinction isn't important, jump in. > > My 2 cents anyway, > > Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:00:00 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1967.chameleon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1032091155 23356 217.134.87.175 (15 Sep 2002 11:59:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2002 11:59:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33415 "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:OIOg9.28980$jG2.2166384@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Indeed. All I'm saying is that in the UK some people think twice about what they eat and how it's produced. They tend to buy 'wholesome' or 'natural' product and they'd be put off if they thought beeKEEPERS culled their bees each year - thats all. Think what might happen to animals if no one cared (see below!) > > As far as the "pressing" of the bees goes.... I imagine if it were a > profitable process ie. cost of pressing bees < sale price yields from honey > from pressed bees, people would do it. Yep, for frogs leg they cut off the legs and discard the still alive bit - it's legal ( I think). In the far east (China) they (or they did a few years ago) skin dogs ALIVE for their pelts because it's cheaper than killing them - this was the most bloody disgusting thing I've ever seen on TV done to a none humans. It still makes me shudder to think (sadly this thread reminded me) about it. > > A business by definition is out to make the most amount of profit for the > lest amount of expense. Simple logic, and to think differently is to deny > reality. Indeed - see above. But some are constrained by their principles (to their cost) - myself included. Laws are about constraint for the common good? If I could, though, I'd make money by proclaiming that foreign honey was produced by using 'cruel' methods - should I be stopped? > > Article 33416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BETB Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:57:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip147.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33416 Beekeepers for the Ethical Treatment of Bees! This subject has been a hot one. It has been a long time since this group has had a topic of such interest with so many on both sides of the fence. I for one have enjoyed it. beekeep Article 33417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:55:19 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3d83e89c.25576141@news1.radix.net> <7734-3D840D36-589@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.barad-nimras.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1032115777 27311 62.136.133.205 (15 Sep 2002 18:49:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2002 18:49:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33417 What about Roses question - seems important to me. You go blow out thousands upon thousands of bees - where do they go? What about any disease they are carrying? On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:31:50 -0400 (EDT), DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) wrote: >BTW, if we are talking about blowing bees out of thousands of hives (or >even hundreds), where do they all go before they die? I have this >mental picture of millions of bees scrambling to get in out of the cold. > >IMHO, to kill bees on purpose is barbaric unless, of course, you plan to >eat them. Article 33418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:57:06 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.barad-nimras.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1032115884 27311 62.136.133.205 (15 Sep 2002 18:51:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2002 18:51:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33418 Sorry, missed something here. 'Pressed'? bees On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:26:54 GMT, "Ccdrogan" wrote: >As far as the "pressing" of the bees goes.... I imagine if it were a >profitable process ie. cost of pressing bees < sale price yields from honey >from pressed bees, people would do it. Article 33419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:59:40 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.barad-nimras.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1032116038 27311 62.136.133.205 (15 Sep 2002 18:53:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2002 18:53:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33419 I agree. Thats why US farmers and the like are having trouble selling their GM infested crap into the EU. There does seem to be an active concern about how these things are produced and what effect this has on things around it. On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:00:00 +0100, "Peter Hearnden" wrote: >"Ccdrogan" wrote in message >news:OIOg9.28980$jG2.2166384@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >Indeed. All I'm saying is that in the UK some people think twice about what >they eat and how it's produced. They tend to buy 'wholesome' or 'natural' >product and they'd be put off if they thought beeKEEPERS culled their bees >each year - thats all. Think what might happen to animals if no one cared >(see below!) Article 33420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:05:04 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <68m9oukf8t7ened6bn35d3ohmms4o2rnho@4ax.com> References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3D837598.514808AC@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.barad-nimras.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1032116362 27857 62.136.133.205 (15 Sep 2002 18:59:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2002 18:59:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33420 Like so much of this argument, it avoids the question of how much we interfere. Animal husbandry and the like is centuries old and people accept it as part of lifes necessities but there reaches a point where people ask 'is it really necessary'. The honey bees do the job already. I know if I culled the bees every year and my customers learned about it they wouldn't buy another jar from me. Always ask the questions; Do we REALLY need to? What is the effect? Maybe people in the US really don't give a damm? Sad. On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:53:15 GMT, AL wrote: >"Matthew W." wrote: >Proverbial edge? >If ya ain't livin' on the edge, yer takin' up too much room... >Have you ever seen an ear of corn produced by natural selection? Think >indian corn, or worse. Ok for autumn decorations but not what I hope to >put on my table. How about feral hogs? That is 'natural' selection. I >can't imagine a fine pork chop coming from one of those critters. My >point is, we 'interfere' with mother nature all the time, if you want to >call it interference. We manage all sorts of life forms to our advantage >- so what? If you raise cattle I'll bet its not for the cattle's sake >you do it - I'll bet you are going to $ell them for ca$h, or kill 'em >and eat 'em. That would be to your 'advantage' wouldn't it? As for sheep >- well, I'm just not goin' there... :) >FWIW, I don't interfere with my bees' natural selection - but then I'm >kinda lazy that way. Article 33421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: learning site Date: 15 Sep 2002 14:38:43 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0209151338.6f7346c1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.118.147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032125923 12000 127.0.0.1 (15 Sep 2002 21:38:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2002 21:38:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33421 From time to time there are enquires about beginners sites may I suggest that any beginners try http://www.gobeekeeping.com/classes.htm Albert Cannon Article 33422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jim Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BETB Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:32:09 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 76 Message-ID: References: <3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-203.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33422 Wow, what a discussion. Funny, about 20 years ago, most nothern california bee breeders made their livings selling package bees with queens to their Canadian counterparts, who regularly killed the bees and extracted all the honey. Of course, we are talking commercial beekeepers, and the returns from honey more than paid for the packages. Now, with the shutdown of the Canadian border to imports from the US, guess what is happening? You find them overwintering their hives, and most still seem to make a living, Funny too? For myself, I think that we are required to do things for survival, either economic or otherwise, some not so great, and if we want change--don't complain about how bad it is, but come up with a solution that works! Course I don't have any LOL! Regards, Jim in potato country, hobby beekeeper, ag researcher, and pest control advisor ----- Original Message ----- From: "beekeep" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:03 AM Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:19:00 -0700, "Wuffman" wrote: > > >here is a question.... > > > >Does a hive that has been wintered produce more honey thatn a new hive? > >Provided both have drawn comb. Is there much differance in hive population > >come spring? > > > >Some other factors I would think would play a role in this decision.... > > > >The established bees will not leave like some packaged bees could. > > Properly installed packages usually stay. Packages that abscound are > usually happen to beekeepers that think they are smarter than the guy > that designed the queen cage and poke a hole through the candy plug! > > >Established bees will have a head start in building up come first part of > >spring while you are still waitingfor the mail man to bring you package > >bees.. if it does not get lost in the mail or 1/2 of them die off... > > These guys buy so many packages that they go pick up a truckload > themselves saving a lot of the shipping cost. Properly packaged they > arrive home just fine. > > > >Do they retain any knowledge of were the best flowers are from previoous > >seasons? > > You don't honestly believe that an overwintered bee that has never > left the hive can remember where a flower bloomed last year? > > >brian > > > beeKeep > "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net... > Beekeepers for the Ethical Treatment of Bees! > > This subject has been a hot one. It has been a long time since this > group has had a topic of such interest with so many on both sides of > the fence. > > I for one have enjoyed it. > > beekeep > Article 33423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:15:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.80.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032171321 12.77.80.31 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:15:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:15:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33423 While Peter was Ranting about non overwintering bees, he suggested that that might possibly yield some more honey. The responce he got was essentially, that it would not happen unless it was shown it could be done for a profit. Article 33424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: cadxneter@hotmail.com (CADX) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Commend a wonderful Cad site Date: 16 Sep 2002 09:07:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53b6e8af.0209160807.326f394c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.2.14.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032192454 13550 127.0.0.1 (16 Sep 2002 16:07:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2002 16:07:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33424 Commend a wonderful Cad site welcome www.cadx.org 0.Engineering Software Download 1.High-quality Sevice 2.lots of CAD resource(data,document,manual,tutorial,software) 3.Free world,Free intercourse Inventor/Engineer's Heaven at one time,you can visit his ftpsite ftp://cadx.vicp.net ftp://cadx.sharella.com sometimes it need password,more info in www.cadx.org Homepage Article 33425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: BETB Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0Cph9.292522$kp.955504@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1032201724 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:42:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:42:04 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:42:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33425 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net... > Beekeepers for the Ethical Treatment of Bees! > > This subject has been a hot one. It has been a long time since this > group has had a topic of such interest with so many on both sides of > the fence. Right! > I for one have enjoyed it. Me too - I'm also very happy to see it hasn't degraded into a name-calling, mud-slinging brawl like so many things tend to do on the net. I think it speaks well of the beekeeper community as a whole. -Steve Article 33426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0Cph9.292521$kp.954836@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1032201724 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:42:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:42:04 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:42:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33426 > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. My 2 cents... -Steve Article 33427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <0Cph9.292521$kp.954836@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:52:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.80.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032216776 12.77.80.61 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:52:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:52:56 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33427 "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:0Cph9.292521$kp.954836@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. > > Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... > > I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. > Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and > having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other > consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in > the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA > groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business > carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. > Ah, but the biggest failures didn't stop at legality. True maximizing of profits is not a 12 month view. The Failures we are seeing mostly maximized their personal bank accounts, not their business profitability. Yes other companies failed... Many an Internet .com died after a briefly glorious run in the stock market... this was an indication of excitement over new technology outstripping the unknown profitability of a new market that was opening up. That being said the Internet market place was created from this process and remains. Most big business are just fine. A good example of well run profit maximization in the late 90's by a big business is Wall-Mart. We'll know exactly how well they are doing today when we look at them 5 years from now. Maximizing profit is the only responsibility of business. As long as long term view is taken.. workers are well paid, work environments are clean and safe, and service level encourages repeat business. These maximize profits long term. Overpriced goods destroy customer good will. Unsafe working environment leads to injuries, missed work, hospital bills, lawsuits. Underpaid workers leads to higher turn over of employees, lower customer service, Increased training costs. Pillaging a company for short term personal cash is a different matter. That only works on an individual analysis. This is Enron... We fraudulently hide our problems... keeping our stock profits high so I can cash out my stock options for a hefty chunk of change... over the course of a couple years problems a company is facing accumulate because they aren't dealt with and the whole company takes a dive. The responsibility now is for the government to convict the executives of fraud strip them of the assets they gained from their stock options AND put them in jail. This sends the clear message that these practices are not profitable personally. This also needs to be done to their CPA firm. Who also needs their Certification puled from all accountants involved. Speak the language of money and speak it clearly. Article 33428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D867E3B.3C57DEBA@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:58:35 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1032224291 209.239.173.174 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:58:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:58:11 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33428 Steve Newport wrote: > > Sorry, missed something here. 'Pressed'? bees Carrying blowing perfectly good bees out of a hive to it's logical extreme, the idea was to "press" the evicted bees to recover the last scintilla of honey from them. Unfortunately, I believe that pressing them would recover nectar, if anything, and not honey. I suspect a better use for them would be to recover venom. They would surely be in a mood to donate :) Rick Article 33429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1032191499 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:51:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:51:39 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:06:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33429 > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. My 2 cents... -Steve Article 33430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: BETB Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0Uoh9.493991$UU1.80750@sccrnsc03> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1032198780 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:53:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:53:00 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:06:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33430 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net... > Beekeepers for the Ethical Treatment of Bees! > > This subject has been a hot one. It has been a long time since this > group has had a topic of such interest with so many on both sides of > the fence. Right! > I for one have enjoyed it. Me too - I'm also very happy to see it hasn't degraded into a name-calling, mud-slinging brawl like so many things tend to do on the net. I think it speaks well of the beekeeper community as a whole. -Steve Article 33431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1032191826 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:57:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:57:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:06:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33431 > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. My 2 cents... -Steve Article 33432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: BETB Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1032191888 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:58:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:58:08 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:06:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33432 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d848253.64927498@news1.radix.net... > Beekeepers for the Ethical Treatment of Bees! > > This subject has been a hot one. It has been a long time since this > group has had a topic of such interest with so many on both sides of > the fence. Right! > I for one have enjoyed it. Me too - I'm also very happy to see it hasn't degraded into a name-calling, mud-slinging brawl like so many things tend to do on the net. I think it speaks well of the beekeeper community as a whole. -Steve Article 33433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1032193780 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:29:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:29:40 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:06:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.cs.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33433 > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. My 2 cents... -Steve Article 33434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pavel314" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bitter Honey X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-GC-Trace: gv1-4R28uWpzw8UgFLfTj2Ax1mb/n/phYteLxBYww8= Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:37:31 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 16 X-Trace: sv3-XuMeDpbUq00q2572JV6Wio8FZFf7uCCYxqNlHehTbP7m+LafR3rZnpOnII6WMtmCmfi9CPnRrAaMxvH!IQ20MzWkC5r7vHBzpiyZKRwGpEQeKp63Bt3IVgdxJZb4+kWo6dLiz6pzruz7UrWjj/Oomq5IgGuV!clV/3upBt0IXjCcC4Em3RWLOyyCD5Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:37:31 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33434 George wrote in message news:CtLe9.15397$6i4.1259944@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I extracted some honey this year that has a bitter aftertaste. It is > pretty good honey, but after it goes down, there is a bitterness. Has > anyone ever experienced this? Any ideas on what they may have made it from? > > I only taste it if I taste the honey by itself - put it on food (e.g. toast) > and I don't notice it. I've heard that you can make good mead from off-tasting honey. Paul Article 33435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:03:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1032224560 209.239.173.174 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:02:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:02:40 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33435 Well, I didn't expect to get away scot-free, and I didn't Life was so much simpler when I first started keeping bees. I put in a sticky board last weekend and recovered 30 mites in 48 hours. Information on the net seems to conflict. Do I need to treat, or not? BTW, I have three feral hives (two in tree-holes, one free-hanging) within 150 ft. of each other out my back door at work. Perhaps we're finally developing wild hygienic bees. Thanks! Rick Article 33436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1032199782 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:09:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:09:42 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:36:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33436 > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. My 2 cents... -Steve Article 33437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_noh9.442301$me6.52045@sccrnsc01> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1032196730 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:18:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:18:50 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:36:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33437 > If making money is the goal of business... be it beekeeping or whatever... > the business is going to do what is the most profitable while still being > legal. If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. Against my better judgment ;-) I've got to jump in here... I do understand business. I run one. My family depends on my doing it well. Having "legal" be the backstop past which point you're unwilling to go, and having finances be the far-and-away issue that overrides every other consideration is the reason you see so many "darlings" of the late 90s in the tank now. It's why big business has such a bad name. Now, I'm no PETA groupie, and I'm not a tree hugger. I voted for Bush. But running a business carries much more responsibility than maximizing profit. My 2 cents... -Steve Article 33438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D86C631.B522FD5@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> <3D867E3B.3C57DEBA@batnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:06:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 24 X-Trace: sv3-vKuqsogF2IyzsY09zQxFIgVmW53Gc+r0EQ9h8bnjP7Du734xlmxACsP5Mbzof50zlrr1Eyzn5xKz9jF!AyN3kkkCDxF7GGR+ZezkmHxF3a7UPsv2yPAqfnkQu2ArdkvjSTYILS/RJsEIBkwTpDs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:06:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!newsfeed2.arcor-online.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33438 Richard Hyde wrote: > > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > Sorry, missed something here. 'Pressed'? bees > > Carrying blowing perfectly good bees out of a hive to it's logical > extreme, the idea was to "press" the evicted bees to recover the last > scintilla of honey from them. > > Unfortunately, I believe that pressing them would recover nectar, if > anything, and not honey. > > I suspect a better use for them would be to recover venom. They would > surely be in a mood to donate :) Hey, I think you could be on to something there - wouldn't be the first time a workable idea came out of an facetious remark. I agree, pressing the bees would only result in nectar and bee guts, not honey. Now the question is what useful purpose is there for a bag full of bee carcasses... hmmm AL Article 33439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Terry Newton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fall Requeening Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:40:08 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.219.38.95 X-Trace: sooner.brightok.net 1032237612 64.219.38.95 (Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:40:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:40:12 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sooner.brightok.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33439 I was wondering if anyone requeens in the fall? Does anyone around sell Carnolians for fall requeening? Would it be better to wait till spring. Terry terryn@fullnet.net Article 33440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> <3D867E3B.3C57DEBA@batnet.com> <3D86C631.B522FD5@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:15:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032246940 12.86.120.109 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:15:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:15:40 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33440 Mulch? Protien for very hungry people? Chitin from exoskeleton? Packing material LOL Insect eating pet food (ie. processed into a kibble or paste) "AL" wrote in message news:3D86C631.B522FD5@hcis.net... > Richard Hyde wrote: > > > > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, missed something here. 'Pressed'? bees > > > > Carrying blowing perfectly good bees out of a hive to it's logical > > extreme, the idea was to "press" the evicted bees to recover the last > > scintilla of honey from them. > > > > Unfortunately, I believe that pressing them would recover nectar, if > > anything, and not honey. > > > > I suspect a better use for them would be to recover venom. They would > > surely be in a mood to donate :) > > > Hey, I think you could be on to something there - wouldn't be the first > time a workable idea came out of an facetious remark. I agree, pressing > the bees would only result in nectar and bee guts, not honey. Now the > question is what useful purpose is there for a bag full of bee > carcasses... hmmm > > AL Article 33441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:17:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032247052 12.86.120.109 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:17:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:17:32 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33441 Think the free hanging hive will make the winter? if not you might want to house them. "Richard Hyde" wrote in message news:3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com... > Well, I didn't expect to get away scot-free, and I didn't > > Life was so much simpler when I first started keeping bees. > > I put in a sticky board last weekend and recovered 30 mites in 48 hours. > > Information on the net seems to conflict. Do I need to treat, or not? > > BTW, I have three feral hives (two in tree-holes, one free-hanging) > within 150 ft. of each other out my back door at work. Perhaps we're > finally developing wild hygienic bees. > > Thanks! > > Rick Article 33442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fall Requeening Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:18:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032247132 12.86.120.109 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:18:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:18:52 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33442 Seen alot of stuff suggesting fall requeening is good... some saying it isn't... I know you can still get queens from betterbee... not sure if they offer Carnolians "Terry Newton" wrote in message news:Mmyh9.336$w44.16510@sooner.brightok.net... > I was wondering if anyone requeens in the fall? Does anyone around sell > Carnolians for fall requeening? Would it be better to wait till spring. > > Terry > terryn@fullnet.net > > Article 33443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar syrup in supers Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:59:07 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <41Eg9.1285$rO5.47152@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-72-252.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1032251846 28525 62.11.72.252 (17 Sep 2002 08:37:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 2002 08:37:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!teaser.fr!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33443 Not and a serious problem, the part of syrup mixed in the honey is small. hi Article 33444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:10:44 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-72-252.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1032253633 29450 62.11.72.252 (17 Sep 2002 09:07:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 2002 09:07:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33444 IT REQUIRES URGENT TREATMENT!!!!! "Richard Hyde" ha scritto nel messaggio news:3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com... > Well, I didn't expect to get away scot-free, and I didn't > > Life was so much simpler when I first started keeping bees. > > I put in a sticky board last weekend and recovered 30 mites in 48 hours. > > Information on the net seems to conflict. Do I need to treat, or not? > > BTW, I have three feral hives (two in tree-holes, one free-hanging) > within 150 ft. of each other out my back door at work. Perhaps we're > finally developing wild hygienic bees. > > Thanks! > > Rick Article 33445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:20:44 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 28 X-Trace: sv3-7AlXYO1/CkAiUnWmEcOSJqMt6QTTOBCm1vMlA130IrpuSWbmQ+GAVVnTZeVFz8+jYbFgw68FzIh0ytJ!P+IXKLByeN17RfCCnR1ljzGjwPhP/5gjZVwVbJmbA2NbwgqHE5RNjgMvGTLmpSVA80wSTAXUn9sF!xVSSKPsXuXd9aOapZQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:20:44 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!central.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33445 That's A LOT of mites for a natural drop. My guess is that even if you treat them immediately, they will not make it through the winter. Look at the bees and see if you see a lot of them with deformed wings. That's a very bad sign! When you treat, be sure to follow the direction exactly. Don't leave the strips in longer, thinking it will kill more. Good Luck West Texas Mark "Richard Hyde" wrote in message news:3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com... > Well, I didn't expect to get away scot-free, and I didn't > > Life was so much simpler when I first started keeping bees. > > I put in a sticky board last weekend and recovered 30 mites in 48 hours. > > Information on the net seems to conflict. Do I need to treat, or not? > > BTW, I have three feral hives (two in tree-holes, one free-hanging) > within 150 ft. of each other out my back door at work. Perhaps we're > finally developing wild hygienic bees. > > Thanks! > > Rick > Article 33446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:48:41 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 25 X-Trace: sv3-47uwS03e36Hkmq1zYY9XXUk7eWc4+aTVbAX/3MmXd9BcXe3HTpkeTB/Gk54cjH0t265+19RV6WJercw!/1YZek5A436IkLZIyYTw3fcexH2VDOlYvzjFMHxPoHqHTNVJe4UwhF7B+DMn6fc1KU04THmyMquC!ccrFDMXzkQAIK1Mw X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:48:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!opentransit.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33446 I only mention this because it doesn't sound like you have treated your bees before. Be sure to take off any honey supers before you treat. For future mite control, you may want to consider treating with Food Grade Mineral Oil (FGMO). You can read about it at www.beesource.com/pov . There's also a discussion group at http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/FGMOBeekeeping/ . West Texas Mark > Well, I didn't expect to get away scot-free, and I didn't > > Life was so much simpler when I first started keeping bees. > > I put in a sticky board last weekend and recovered 30 mites in 48 hours. > > Information on the net seems to conflict. Do I need to treat, or not? > > BTW, I have three feral hives (two in tree-holes, one free-hanging) > within 150 ft. of each other out my back door at work. Perhaps we're > finally developing wild hygienic bees. > > Thanks! > > Rick > Article 33447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D87558C.A73C30C0@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:17:16 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> <3D867E3B.3C57DEBA@batnet.com> <3D86C631.B522FD5@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.213 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1032271266 66.20.225.213 (17 Sep 2002 09:01:06 -0500) Lines: 58 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!l-out.newsgroups.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33447 Ccdrogan wrote: > "AL" wrote in message news:3D86C631.B522FD5@hcis.net... > > Richard Hyde wrote: > > > > > > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry, missed something here. 'Pressed'? bees > > > Carrying blowing perfectly good bees out of a hive to it's logical > > > extreme, the idea was to "press" the evicted bees to recover the last > > > scintilla of honey from them. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I believe that pressing them would recover nectar, if > > > anything, and not honey. > > > > > > I suspect a better use for them would be to recover venom. They would > > > surely be in a mood to donate :) > > Hey, I think you could be on to something there - wouldn't be the first > > time a workable idea came out of an facetious remark. I agree, pressing > > the bees would only result in nectar and bee guts, not honey. Now the > > question is what useful purpose is there for a bag full of bee > > carcasses... hmmm > > > > AL > Mulch? > Protien for very hungry people? > Chitin from exoskeleton? > Packing material LOL > Insect eating pet food (ie. processed into a kibble or paste) > I think that protein thing has potential - maybe dried and ground up as pollen substitute or for mixing into patties to feed back to the new pkgs in the spring. That gives the whole process a full circle, recycle/reuse, environmentally friendly, warm fuzzy, 'scuse me while I hug a tree, kind of feel. I like it. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:02:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1032278544 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:02:24 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:02:24 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33448 30 Varroa in 48 hours? It's time to treat your bees. You should go to http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln Joachim "Richard Hyde" wrote in message news:3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com... > Well, I didn't expect to get away scot-free, and I didn't > > Life was so much simpler when I first started keeping bees. > > I put in a sticky board last weekend and recovered 30 mites in 48 hours. > > Information on the net seems to conflict. Do I need to treat, or not? > > BTW, I have three feral hives (two in tree-holes, one free-hanging) > within 150 ft. of each other out my back door at work. Perhaps we're > finally developing wild hygienic bees. > > Thanks! > > Rick Article 33449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Retired: Honey House equipment for sale Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:02:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1032278568 24.31.194.116 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:02:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:02:48 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33449 Enough equipment to run a mid-sized commercial operation: http://www.pollinator.com/equipmentsale/forsale.htm Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 33450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "WEC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Philadelphia beekeepers Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:47:43 -0400 Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: sarc3a60.snip.net Message-ID: <3d875c80@snipnews.snip.net> X-Trace: snip-news 1032281216 sarc3a60.snip.net (17 Sep 2002 12:46:56 -0400) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!snip-news Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33450 Hej Magnus, I live just to the NNW of Philadelphia, and keep bees in a hive on a small suburban lot. I also share another hive about 40km from home. In case you are interested, I also speak fluent Swedish. MvH Bill Callahan "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote in message news:akrcqn$7rk$1@green.tninet.se... > Hi > > I'm on my way to move to northwest Philadelphia PA > > Anyone know of beekeeper there or in Pennsylvania > > mvh > Magnus > > Article 33451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D87787A.93263C43@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:46:18 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1032288361 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:46:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:46:01 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33451 > Think the free hanging hive will make the winter? if not you might want to > house them. It's been there two years that I know of. It's also 50ft. up in the tree(!) Cheers, Rick Article 33452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3d81d150.863716632@news1.radix.net> <3d83238c.950697737@news1.radix.net> <6vl9ousp26tsurutuj7h8jmpeatg7rfmja@4ax.com> <3D867E3B.3C57DEBA@batnet.com> <3D86C631.B522FD5@hcis.net> <3D87558C.A73C30C0@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering = non-contributing Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:18:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.80.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032297514 12.77.80.94 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:18:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:18:34 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33452 > > Mulch? > > Protien for very hungry people? > > Chitin from exoskeleton? > > Packing material LOL > > Insect eating pet food (ie. processed into a kibble or paste) > I think that protein thing has potential - maybe dried > and ground up as pollen substitute or for mixing into > patties to feed back to the new pkgs in the spring. That > gives the whole process a full circle, recycle/reuse, > environmentally friendly, warm fuzzy, 'scuse me while I > hug a tree, kind of feel. I like it. Bee Careful ... this might lead to a nice, green, Tree-hugging, MAD-BEE disease. I would NOT feed them to the new packages. THINK UK and it's enlightened COW care of recent years. Article 33453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D87C6CF.5D7AD34@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? References: <3D867F46.E8B2B990@batnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:20:31 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1032308416 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:20:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:20:16 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33453 Me wrote: > > I only mention this because it doesn't sound like you have treated your bees > before. Be sure to take off any honey supers before you treat. For future > mite control, you may want to consider treating with Food Grade Mineral Oil > (FGMO). You can read about it at www.beesource.com/pov . There's also a > discussion group at http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/FGMOBeekeeping/ . I did understand that, but thanks for checking. I moved into my new house before varroa and just started up again this year. I never needed to treat for anything before - just lucky, I guess. I extracted two full supers last weekend and they are back on the hive drying out. Once I pull them off I can see how full the third super is. FGMO is certainly an option. I'm running two main hive bodies and don't relish the thought of opening them up twice. Those puppies are heavy. Plus this colony seems more enamored of propolis than any I've had before. > Look at > the bees and see if you see a lot of them with deformed wings. That's a > very bad sign! The bees seem perfectly healthy. No deformed wings, strong afternoon flights. That's why I was wondering at the extent of the infestation. I've seen website that suggest treating if the natural mite fall is over 50 per day(!) Cheers, Rick Article 33455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: ivanthen@aol.com (IVAN THE N) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Sep 2002 15:20:50 GMT References: <3D87C6CF.5D7AD34@batnet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: 30 varroa mites in 48 hours? Message-ID: <20020918112050.29153.00000018@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!feed1.newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33455 Dr. Ellis of Un of Neb and Dr Dewey Caron of Un of Del at the Midwest Beekeepers School in July this year recommend treating if you find over 50 mites in a 24 hours sticky board test. Both have conducted extensive personal tests and feel that is the right count. Article 33456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:04:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1032372240 67.251.117.33 (Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:04:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:04:00 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33456 JackieCooper Spanky McFarland Alfalfa Wheezer Stymie Darla Hood, Porky Froggy Mickey ( Robert Blake), Article 33457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D88ECDA.49019042@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:15:06 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.3 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1032375533 66.20.227.3 (18 Sep 2002 13:58:53 -0500) Lines: 24 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33457 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > JackieCooper > Spanky McFarland > Alfalfa > Wheezer > Stymie > Darla Hood, > Porky > Froggy > Mickey ( Robert Blake), betcha anything that was supposed to go somewhere else... AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:27:31 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> <3D88ECDA.49019042@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-918.grommet.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1032377319 12621 62.25.159.150 (18 Sep 2002 19:28:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2002 19:28:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33458 I do hope so. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "AL" wrote in message news:3D88ECDA.49019042@hcis.net... > betcha anything that was supposed to go somewhere else... > > AL > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Mondjack" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Polarascope plans Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:46:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.193.162.43 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 1032381986 216.193.162.43 (Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:46:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:46:26 EDT Organization: ENTER.net (enter.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!grr!newsstand.netaxs.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33459 I need plans for a polarascope, lost mine. What website has them to down load? Bill Mondjack Article 33460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Hamblin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:35:25 -0400 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 96 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-190.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33460 Hi John, Thnx for the reply. Its always good to hear from fellow beekeepers and their ideas. When I started that thread, I didnt mean to start such a firestorm, but it is interesting to hear all the views. Here is my situation. I run right around 85-100 swarms per year in here in Michigan. On an average I usually take a winter kill hit of about 5-6%. ( thats an average for the last 15 yrs) Last year I ordered nucs ( was always raised and taught to buy packages) My 35 "control nucs" arrived on April 1 from Florida. I paid 45 bucks apiece for nice full 5 frame nucs. I poured the corn syrup to them, along with medicating them. Around May 1, most of my first deeps were brood laden, so I ordered 25 queens from the south and took frames of brood and bees from the develping swarms and made my own nucs. To make this part of the story short, my original 35 nucs averaged around 210 pounds surplus no counting the brood boxes with some hitting the 300 mark. ( I have some real nice out yards of clover and alfalfa) My second round of 25 nucs averaged 180 pounds surplus. It is proven that it would be much more cost effective to blow the bees out and take the approximate 80-100 pounds that I would leave for the winter. Right now honey in the barrel is going for 1.25 a pound in the barrel here in Michigan. If you do the math and say conservatively I take 90 pounds from each swarm that I do not over winter, that totals to about $112.50. And this is honey that I wouldnt be able to use in the spring if the hive was to die off because of the meds applied in the fall. I requeen vigoursly every year in the fall at an average price of 12.00 per queen. I have locked in $40 a 5 frame nuc next spring from my supplier, so with the money that I save by blowing off the bees, I can increase 2 fold. My full-time job is workin for the Mich Dept of Corrections for the past 16 years, and let me tell you the more I deal with the state bureacracy, the more I enjoy getting stung by my bees. I would eventually like to increase my operation size to finally be able to get out of this type of employment. So I do look at it as a business. I know it may sound cruel or uncouth to blow a perfectly health swarm of bees out in the fall, but I have to look at the economics. Now if honey was paying 50-70 cents as in the past, no, I dont think this approach would be practical. What I would like to do though, is this, I would like to find someone in the southern states with whom I could develop a business plan with as where I would blow out the bees into their equipment or even taking them down to a single deep and ship them south for the winter, where they could be built back up and split into nucs for myself and that person for their own use or even resale. Kinda a recycling type of venture. I take great pride and joy in my bees and their health, and having the great bee yards that I have access to. It does go against everything that we have been taught myself and others included to blow bees out in the fall. But if I am seriously to look at this as a business, I have to look at what its going to take to make my business plan work. How many swarms do you have? and does the above nuc scenario sound interesting to you or someone you might know? Someone suggested that I blow the bees out here for other beekeepers which I wouldnt have a problem with, but I also would like to think that there is someone out there from the southern states who could direct me on the feasability of sending swarms down to have nucs made out of . Thanks for your response, like one of the messages in the thread said, its nice to see people be civil towards each other unlike other newsgroups. Beekeepers for the most part are a pretty good group of people. Bill Skriba Bear Creek Honey. "Bee Guy" wrote in message news:3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil... > > WSkriba wrote: > > > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given thought to > > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them off prior > > to winter) > > > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what people > > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > > > Bill > > I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive > of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal > for a heart. > > My 2 cents. > > tao Article 33461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil> Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Lines: 130 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%Z6i9.24815$1C2.1535944@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:19:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032387579 12.86.120.63 (Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:19:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:19:39 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33461 Hey, You could also use this a type of community service... Provide the bees to beginning beekeepers and or beekeeping associations so they could then distribute to others that need them. Just an idea "John Hamblin" wrote in message news:amaosi02cri@enews1.newsguy.com... > Hi John, > > Thnx for the reply. Its always good to hear from fellow beekeepers and > their ideas. > When I started that thread, I didnt mean to start such a firestorm, but it > is interesting to hear all the views. > > Here is my situation. I run right around 85-100 swarms per year in here in > Michigan. > On an average I usually take a winter kill hit of about 5-6%. ( thats an > average for the last 15 yrs) Last year I ordered nucs ( was always raised > and taught to buy packages) My 35 "control nucs" arrived on April 1 from > Florida. I paid 45 bucks apiece for nice full 5 frame nucs. I poured the > corn syrup to them, along with medicating them. Around May 1, most of my > first deeps were brood laden, so I ordered 25 queens from the south and took > frames of brood and bees from the develping swarms and made my own nucs. To > make this part of the story short, my original 35 nucs averaged around 210 > pounds surplus no counting the brood boxes with some hitting the 300 mark. > ( I have some real nice out yards of clover and alfalfa) My second round of > 25 nucs averaged 180 pounds surplus. > > It is proven that it would be much more cost effective to blow the bees out > and take the approximate 80-100 pounds that I would leave for the winter. > Right now honey in the barrel is going for 1.25 a pound in the barrel here > in Michigan. If you do the math and say conservatively I take 90 pounds > from each swarm that I do not over winter, that totals to about $112.50. > And this is honey that I wouldnt be able to use in the spring if the hive > was to die off because of the meds applied in the fall. I requeen vigoursly > every year in the fall at an average price of 12.00 per queen. I have > locked in $40 a 5 frame nuc next spring from my supplier, so with the money > that I save by blowing off the bees, I can increase 2 fold. > > My full-time job is workin for the Mich Dept of Corrections for the past 16 > years, and let me tell you the more I deal with the state bureacracy, the > more I enjoy getting stung by my bees. I would eventually like to increase > my operation size to finally be able to get out of this type of employment. > So I do look at it as a business. > > I know it may sound cruel or uncouth to blow a perfectly health swarm of > bees out in the fall, but I have to look at the economics. Now if honey was > paying 50-70 cents as in the past, no, I dont think this approach would be > practical. > > What I would like to do though, is this, I would like to find someone in the > southern states with whom I could develop a business plan with as where I > would blow out the bees into their equipment or even taking them down to a > single deep and ship them south for the winter, where they could be built > back up and split into nucs for myself and that person for their own use or > even resale. Kinda a recycling type of venture. > > I take great pride and joy in my bees and their health, and having the great > bee yards that I have access to. It does go against everything that we have > been taught myself and others included to blow bees out in the fall. But if > I am seriously to look at this as a business, I have to look at what its > going to take to make my business plan work. > > How many swarms do you have? and does the above nuc scenario sound > interesting to you or someone you might know? Someone suggested that I blow > the bees out here for other beekeepers which I wouldnt have a problem with, > but I also would like to think that there is someone out there from the > southern states who could direct me on the feasability of sending swarms > down to have nucs made out of . > > Thanks for your response, like one of the messages in the thread said, its > nice to see people be civil towards each other unlike other newsgroups. > Beekeepers for the most part are a pretty good group of people. > > Bill Skriba > Bear Creek Honey. > > "Bee Guy" wrote in message > news:3D7FFE9A.A39A5C10@bogus.address.mil... > > > > WSkriba wrote: > > > > > > I would like to know if anyone on the list practices or has given > thought to > > > not overwintering their bees (aka.. blowing them out, or killing them > off prior > > > to winter) > > > > > > Pros and cons? Economics and feasability? Just was wondering what > people > > > thought about the practacality of this practice. > > > > > > Bill > > > > I don't know about anyone else, but anyone who would kill a healthy hive > > of bees because they'd just rather not over winter them must have coal > > for a heart. > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > tao > > Article 33462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Robbing Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:25:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032387915 12.86.120.63 (Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:25:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:25:15 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:933 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33462 Well had my first case of robbing... I am pretty sure there are no beekeepers within 3 mile radius of me, but I must be wrong or there is a feral hive close by... For today I opened up my hive to inspect it, insert checkmite strips, and take off hive top feeder for cleaning. I did all of this, and while the hive top feeder was off I put a entrance feeder on to allow them to still be taking syrup. Well, I come out about an hour later and find my bees balling up with invaders. I immediately reduced the entrance to about 2 bee width and removed the entrance feeder. I will think twice from now on from using an entrance feeder anymore. You guys have any need tricks to stop a robbing attack once it has already started in full force? Article 33463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! 2 queen hive Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 64 Message-ID: <22686-3D892BCE-47@storefull-2198.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhJV4M6e5jHJ4HEPgmdI712/Y8SMCFC/j+OKXkfTlusu5t0KaWY43mZ4w Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33463 Went out to check two neglected hives on the other side of my property and ended up spending three hours trying to sort out one of them. Better than a month ago, I took two Illinois supers of honey off this hive. The hive consisted of two deeps and four supers without a queen excluder. When I got to the second super, I found brood in the middle frame and down through the rest of the supers, making a perfect pyramid. I checked through the rest of the hive and found the queen and put her in the bottom deep, put the second deep on (both deeps had three or four frames of brood in different stages of development along with frames of honey and pollen). I put on a queen excluder, then put the supers with brood and honey on top of that along with one box of drawn comb and honey and one with new foundation. Today, the hive looked perfectly normal until I noticed bees were carrying pollen into the upper supers as well as the hive bodies. I have the excluder turned cross wise so that bees can move up from the front and back of the hive. Sure enough, one Illinois had seven full frames of brood, larva and eggs and the other had five frames of the same. They were loaded with the most perfect brood pattern you could hope for. There were also frames of pollen and honey and one box of honey. They were just drawing out the other box. I took the hive apart very carefully and then checked the deeps. They were also loaded with brood in all stages. I didn't find the queen in the deeps but they were boiling over with unhappy bees. While I had the hive from the top of the excluder piled next to the brood boxes, the field bees were coming in loaded with pollen. The ones from the top hive were trying to enter the bottom deep where, of course, they didn't belong (they actually looked confused). Total chaos! Long story short, (': , I put another deep with mostly drawn comb (that's all I had with me) on top of the two bottom deeps and replaced the queen excluder, and then replaced the Illinois supers on top of that. I did find the queen in the box with the most brood. I made sure they had plenty of honey and empty frames. Now I have one very tall hive! The bees were so riled (but not mean) that there is a huge cloud of bees flying all over the place. They are hanging out of the top of the hive and everywhere they can find a seat. I covered them the best that I could and came back to the house to catch my breath and call on you all for help. I will go back and feed them and finish up as soon as they calm down. Luckily it will soon be getting dark and hopefully they will have sorted themselves out. It appears that I could have two very strong hives from this one, what would be the best way to split it since the "bottom" of the top hive is open except for the queen excluder? I do want to split the hive in time for them to build up more before winter, though I've had much smaller hives winter well before. We (I live near Clarksburg, WV, US) are in the midst of a major goldenrod flow. I was so irritated at the fellow who was supposed to mow my fields when he didn't show, but now I'm glad he didn't. They are full of golden rod, joe pye weed, iron grass, etc, that there should be plenty of winter stores. The strangest thing though, normally I can smell this honey from twenty feet away, but so far, the honey doesn't have that "wonderful" aroma. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me? Article 33464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: don_nairn@email.com (don) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Non-Overwintering of bees Date: 18 Sep 2002 19:50:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020911170805.10611.00004522@mb-cu.aol.com> <3D83A957.ED18ECAB@atlas.localdomain> <0eWg9.29696$jG2.2228374@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.96.212.118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032403827 2851 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2002 02:50:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2002 02:50:27 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33464 I think a consideration needs to be given to the availability of bees in the spring. Are you prepared to entrust your beekeeping potential to a stranger/business acquaintance? If bees are in short supply will you miss out? Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:<0eWg9.29696$jG2.2228374@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > I have been thinking about this "culling" and the morals of it. Should we > have any more "respect" for the hive than the bees do? When a worker is of > no more use to the hive they crawl off and die, when it is no longer useful > to have drones, perfectly healthy living drones are drug out and left to > die, when food is short eggs/larva/pupa are taken out or even eaten! > > Bees operate on most reward for the least amount of expense... kinda like a > business. Article 33465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: don_nairn@email.com (don) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Prices Date: 18 Sep 2002 20:15:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.96.212.118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032405357 4318 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2002 03:15:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2002 03:15:57 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33465 Chinese honey in the past has been diluted with sugar syrup. Selling and marketing your own product will always get the higher return. The people that get very rich from ANY farming are the middlemen not the farmer. Honey in Australia at present is $3.80 AUD per kilo in the drum delivered to the packer Article 33466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ben Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Polarascope plans Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:20:27 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.net (80.7.34.146) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1032427229 4705421 80.7.34.146 (16 [141806]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!host80-7-34-146.no-dns-yet.ntli.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33466 Bill Mondjack wrote: > I need plans for a polarascope, lost mine. What website has them to > down load? > Bill Mondjack You can find some info at: http://education.llnl.gov/teller2k/physics/physAgenda.html follow the link for activity2. Ben. Article 33467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James E Doan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:47:55 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33467 Dutch Gold raised there price to $1.50 for white honey picked up payed in 10 days. $1.45 for ELA. Heard Sioux is paying $1.51 to outside contracts for White. Article 33468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Robbing X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D89DBF6.3597C293@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:15:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:935 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33468 How many hives do you have? If you have several and there is a robbing frenzy in your yard AND there are no other hives in the area besides yours then you can take the covers off all the hives in your yard. With their hives exposed they will return to defend their colony, thus stopping the frenzy. Other than that, reduce the entrance like you did. Must be a nectar dearth in your area if they rob so readily. Might also consider working the hive later in the day so there is a smaller window of daylight left for robbing. Billy Smart Rock, KS Ccdrogan wrote: > > Well had my first case of robbing... I am pretty sure there are no > beekeepers within 3 mile radius of me, but I must be wrong or there is a > feral hive close by... > > For today I opened up my hive to inspect it, insert checkmite strips, and > take off hive top feeder for cleaning. I did all of this, and while the > hive top feeder was off I put a entrance feeder on to allow them to still be > taking syrup. > > Well, I come out about an hour later and find my bees balling up with > invaders. I immediately reduced the entrance to about 2 bee width and > removed the entrance feeder. > > I will think twice from now on from using an entrance feeder anymore. > > You guys have any need tricks to stop a robbing attack once it has already > started in full force? Article 33469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: conditions in usa Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:19:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1032463207.958565@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33469 see "Drought stings Virginia's beekeepers" at: http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--drought-beekeeper0916se p16.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia also "Drop in North Dakota honey production not dampening spirits" at: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5364867&BRD=1302&PAG=461&dept_id=1 81978&rfi=6 Article 33470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in caribbean Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:31:21 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1032463904.772932@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33470 see stories on 3rd caribbean beekeeping congress and conditions in jamaica at: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/search/results.asp?stype=simple&stext=beekeep ing Article 33471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D89BF7E.DA56673E@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:02:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1032458579 67.251.117.222 (Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:02:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:02:59 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!newspeer.radix.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33471 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > JackieCooper > Spanky McFarland > Alfalfa > Wheezer > Stymie > Darla Hood, > Porky > Froggy > Mickey ( Robert Blake), I have no idea how this got to the beekeeping group! My apologies. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 33472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Name Those Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <190920021418391347%bee@names.com> References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> <3D89BF7E.DA56673E@atlas.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 31 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:19:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1032466772 161.184.141.129 (Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:19:32 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:19:32 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33472 Louise........ Please!!!! Don't keep us in suspense. What group was it supposed to go into..... And just out of curiousity who or what are these..... old neighbours, classmates, people your sister dated. Oh Nooooo!!! You havn't been naming your bees again have you. > Louise Adderholdt wrote: > Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > > > JackieCooper > > Spanky McFarland > > Alfalfa > > Wheezer > > Stymie > > Darla Hood, > > Porky > > Froggy > > Mickey ( Robert Blake), > > > I have no idea how this got to the beekeeping group! > > My apologies. > > Louise Article 33473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Date: 19 Sep 2002 13:32:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0209191232.56325da7@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032467575 2273 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2002 20:32:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2002 20:32:55 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:936 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33473 > > I will think twice from now on from using an entrance feeder anymore. > > You guys have any need tricks to stop a robbing attack once it has already > started in full force? Run a lawn sprinkler on the hive, stop down the entrance, place a storm window leaning against the hive, make a screened circuitous entance. All work to some degree. I had some riobbing this year allready because I was slow in pulling offset supers back and closing the extra entrance. Article 33474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D8A5A40.C1AB9D61@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:14:08 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> <3D89BF7E.DA56673E@atlas.localdomain> <190920021418391347%bee@names.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.225 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1032469076 66.20.225.225 (19 Sep 2002 15:57:56 -0500) Lines: 41 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33474 Your kidding - right? You really knew they were Spankie's gang - right? AL Name Those Bees wrote: [...] > > And just out of curiousity who or what are these..... > old neighbours, classmates, people your sister dated. > > Oh Nooooo!!! You havn't been naming your bees again have you. > > > Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > > Louise Adderholdt wrote: > > > > > > JackieCooper > > > Spanky McFarland > > > Alfalfa > > > Wheezer > > > Stymie > > > Darla Hood, > > > Porky > > > Froggy > > > Mickey ( Robert Blake), > > > > > > I have no idea how this got to the beekeeping group! > > > > My apologies. > > > > Louise -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Ground Bees Lines: 59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C26009.F2F65FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:30:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.83.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032478227 12.77.83.173 (Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:30:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:30:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:937 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33475 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C26009.F2F65FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have nest/burrow of some kind of feral bee in my front yard. I think = this is a group that relocated from an area treated by an exterminator a = few weeks ago... about 50 ft away. Hole diameter is about 1.5 inches. = The bees are small... they looked like some sort of fly. until I get = close and see them entering the hole at slow speed. At that time I can = see some yellow and black rings on a lower segment. What are my options, If I thought they were honey bees.. id contact a = local beekeeper. I'll call him anyway... but if he can't help I'd love = some advice before I try to run a hose or paying an exterminator... = they weren't there a couple weeks ago. =20 Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C26009.F2F65FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have nest/burrow = of some=20 kind of feral bee in my front yard.  I think this is a group that = relocated=20 from an area treated by an exterminator a few weeks ago...  about = 50 ft=20 away.  Hole diameter is about 1.5 inches.  The bees are = small... =20 they looked like some sort of fly.  until I get close and see them = entering=20 the hole at slow speed.   At that time I can see some yellow = and black=20 rings on a lower segment.
 
What are my options,  If I thought = they were=20 honey bees..  id contact a local beekeeper.  I'll call him=20 anyway...  but if he can't help I'd love some advice before I = try to=20 run a hose or paying an exterminator...  they weren't there a = couple weeks=20 ago. 
Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C26009.F2F65FC0-- Article 33476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: di@lm39.com (Di) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... Date: 19 Sep 2002 21:25:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.40.43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032495922 28267 127.0.0.1 (20 Sep 2002 04:25:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2002 04:25:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33476 Hey All, I hope someone out there can steer me in the right direction here. I'm new to country life (NH) and my husband and I have found a house that we love and want to purchase. The problem is that there's a honey bee hive resident in the exterior wall of the house. The property is 3 acres with a peach farm, which from my understanding, hasn't been pruned, etc in 2 years, although the trees are still bearing fruit. I understand we need the bees for the fruit trees and my question is would I be able to hire a beekeeper to remove the comb and relocate them to a hive on the farm? Does this have to be done during any special time of year or can they be moved year round? We were hoping for a late October closing, but I'm wondering if this has to be done as soon as possible? I'm planning on calling the Dept. of Agriculture tomorrow, but I don't know if I'm going to get any answers right away from them and I only have 5 days to decide if I want to buy this house. I'm totally farming ignorant and I learned of this situation today during the inspection of the property. I would imagine the sellers are aware of this situation, but I'm guessing they don'd mind a couple gallons of honey pouring into their kitchen through sheetrock if they have done nothing about it at all. Any ideas or thoughts or direction on this one? I thank you all in advance for any input you can give me. cheers, Di Article 33477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D8AC3B1.349D218D@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:45:05 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 52 X-Trace: sv3-RDQMsBcYv9HQyK6C3pkT2X1FoD/+8owJ5cC6VN+iNkS3ViKD2zPtgIkyu0YzrbnKJETCm3DgWGAzvPt!AwKGcEUjQhJbWv2uIQ6DZ6JYcscqL7Ko0YCPU01DZgrDjg2K/vpoMOmATHSwo+TT76Z2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:45:05 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33477 I would suggest using a stethoscope to exactly locate the bees in the wall. Then, carefully, from the inside, cut a section of the wall out to expose the colony. Install a frame and door appropriate for the decor of whatever room this happens to be and you have ready access to honey year round. OK, maybe that was just the homebrew talking.... IMHO, I would leave the bees till spring. Whether they have just moved in or have been there an extended period doesn't much matter, another 6 months won't make any difference. During the winter months you'll have time to locate a local beekeeper and make arrangements to have them removed in the spring. If you plan to set up a hive for them to live on your property, the winter months can be spent reading up on beekeeping and purchasing the necessary equipment - which isn't all that much. After you've moved in, keep alert for creaking sounds in the ceiling indicating 800lb of brood/honey comb are about to crash through. OK, maybe *that* was the home-brew talking again... Welcome to country life - enjoy :) AL Di wrote: > > Hey All, > I hope someone out there can steer me in the right direction here. I'm > new to country life (NH) and my husband and I have found a house that > we love and want to purchase. The problem is that there's a honey bee > hive resident in the exterior wall of the house. The property is 3 > acres with a peach farm, which from my understanding, hasn't been > pruned, etc in 2 years, although the trees are still bearing fruit. I > understand we need the bees for the fruit trees and my question is > would I be able to hire a beekeeper to remove the comb and relocate > them to a hive on the farm? Does this have to be done during any > special time of year or can they be moved year round? We were hoping > for a late October closing, but I'm wondering if this has to be done > as soon as possible? I'm planning on calling the Dept. of Agriculture > tomorrow, but I don't know if I'm going to get any answers right away > from them and I only have 5 days to decide if I want to buy this > house. I'm totally farming ignorant and I learned of this situation > today during the inspection of the property. I would imagine the > sellers are aware of this situation, but I'm guessing they don'd mind > a couple gallons of honey pouring into their kitchen through sheetrock > if they have done nothing about it at all. > > Any ideas or thoughts or direction on this one? I thank you all in > advance for any input you can give me. > > cheers, > Di Article 33478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Thirsty Viking" From: "Thirsty Viking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:21:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.80.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1032506489 12.77.80.185 (Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:21:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:21:29 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33478 all is not lost.... first I am going to copy a message at bottom of post that sounds like a possible solution for you. You need to think about your peach trees... pollination is a good thing for them. Meeting a beekeeper might lead to him putting some hives on your property in the future during the times you NEED the bees. The following method might not have time to work for you before winter post says it needs 45 days. Unless there is honey damage to the sheetrock now, What I've read from others suggests that the bees will do their best to eat that honey over the winter and not let it damage your sheetrock. Then you can transplant them and their honey in the spring. alt.hobbies.beekeeping has a nice thread entitled "need bees to leave", that is where the message came from. I'd recommend reading through the whole thread. then talking to some local keepers... a web search on beekeeping and your county in NH would be a good first effort. If not start beekeeping and NH then find the nearest city in the list you get. Good luck on the road you choose.. -John. "Di" wrote in message news:1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com... > Hey All, > I hope someone out there can steer me in the right direction here. I'm > new to country life (NH) and my husband and I have found a house that > we love and want to purchase. The problem is that there's a honey bee > hive resident in the exterior wall of the house. The property is 3 > acres with a peach farm, which from my understanding, hasn't been --------------- cross posting message --------------------- On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:27:13 GMT, "Donald Easley" wrote: >I currently have bees in a wall of my old country house that I would like to >make move, they have been there for ten years. >also have a monster hive in an old live oak close to the house. >my question is if I built hives for them with new queens would the bees >possibly move into them. > It is possible to remove a hive from a wall (or tree) without damage to the structure. It takes several months and is generally done like this: A small colony is made up in a normal beehive complete with brood, bees and a queen. (but not too many bees and brood, it will start out as a very small hive). This is placed just outside of the hive in the wall and a cone (wire mesh) is placed over the entrance to the wall such that when the bees leave the wall they will return to the new hive. Most of the population will be slowly moved to the new hive. This process takes about 1 1/2 months. It won't get the queen and some of the bees will remain in the wall. After this time the cone is removed and the normal hive is allowed to rob out the wall hive removing all the honey. Better descriptions are found in many books. I've also had one description of a way to remove a hive from a tree that usually gets even the queen (haven't tried it myself). Seal up the hive completely. Drill a hole in the very top of the hive cavity, then very, very, very slowly fill the cavity with water. The bees will move up out of harms way and out of the tree. -Tim Article 33479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... 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There's a couple things to add about this method. When the honey is gone, wax will remain. If you don't plug up the all entrances, wax moths will move in and clear out the wax. They do make a pretty big mess. In the Spring, swarm season, swarms of bees will smell the wax and move right in. So, be very sure to plug up any holes once the bees and honey are gone. West Texas Mark > It is possible to remove a hive from a wall (or tree) without damage > to the structure. It takes several months and is generally done like > this: > > A small colony is made up in a normal beehive complete with brood, > bees and a queen. (but not too many bees and brood, it will start out > as a very small hive). This is placed just outside of the hive in the > wall and a cone (wire mesh) is placed over the entrance to the wall > such that when the bees leave the wall they will return to the new > hive. Most of the population will be slowly moved to the new hive. > This process takes about 1 1/2 months. It won't get the queen and > some of the bees will remain in the wall. After this time the cone is > removed and the normal hive is allowed to rob out the wall hive > removing all the honey. Better descriptions are found in many books. > > I've also had one description of a way to remove a hive from a tree > that usually gets even the queen (haven't tried it myself). Seal up > the hive completely. Drill a hole in the very top of the hive cavity, > then very, very, very slowly fill the cavity with water. The bees > will move up out of harms way and out of the tree. > > -Tim > > Article 33480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: di@lm39.com (Di) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... Date: 20 Sep 2002 04:05:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1fd7f015.0209200305.4692a4df@posting.google.com> References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> <3D8AC3B1.349D218D@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.40.43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032519953 17822 127.0.0.1 (20 Sep 2002 11:05:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2002 11:05:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33480 AL wrote in message news:<3D8AC3B1.349D218D@hcis.net>... > I would suggest using a stethoscope to exactly locate the bees in the > wall. Then, carefully, from the inside, cut a section of the wall out to > expose the colony. Install a frame and door appropriate for the decor of > whatever room this happens to be and you have ready access to honey year > round. OK, maybe that was just the homebrew talking.... LOL! Maybe I need one of those homebrews (well, 2 or 3 or 4...) to chill me out on this one! If I leave them until spring, won't the colony get bigger? Thanks for your reply. cheers, Di Article 33481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: conditions in usa Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:04:11 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1032463207.958565@savina> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.com (24.123.61.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1032527053 5665229 24.123.61.178 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!feed.news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!rrcs-central-24-123-61-178.biz.rr.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33481 Here in S.E. Ohio it too has been really bad. I have had to feed the bees by the gallons since the middle of August. The goldenrod and asters have been so dry that the bees can't even get enough for themselves alone stores for winter. At this point all I can do is keep feeding. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:1032463207.958565@savina... > see "Drought stings Virginia's beekeepers" at: > http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--drought-beekeeper0916se > p16.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia > > also "Drop in North Dakota honey production not dampening spirits" at: > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5364867&BRD=1302&PAG=461&dept_id=1 > 81978&rfi=6 > > Article 33482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... Date: 20 Sep 2002 16:26:13 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> <2lBi9.160730$AR1.6683296@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.157 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33482 On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:52:14 GMT, "Me" wrote: > >Tim's method is the best I know of. There's a couple things to add about >this method. When the honey is gone, wax will remain. If you don't plug up >the all entrances, wax moths will move in and clear out the wax. They do >make a pretty big mess. In the Spring, swarm season, swarms of bees will >smell the wax and move right in. So, be very sure to plug up any holes once >the bees and honey are gone. > >West Texas Mark > Definately a good idea. I would even do your best to fill the void with some expanding foam or such. (You can add a longer tube to the can the stuff typically comes in to fill deaper in the void.) If the opening is big enough to stuff fiberglass insulation that would work too, but the openings are rarely big enough. -Tim Article 33483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Name Those Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <200920021039402704%naming@bees.com> References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> <3D89BF7E.DA56673E@atlas.localdomain> <190920021418391347%bee@names.com> <3D8A5A40.C1AB9D61@hcis.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:40:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1032540032 161.184.141.129 (Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:40:32 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:40:32 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33483 > AL wrote: > Your kidding - right? You really knew they were Spankie's gang - right? Well I think I'm from that generation, but growing up in a rather isolated area left me far and away from programs and shows like Spankie's gang and howdy doody etc. Heck.... I never even tasted a McDonalds meal until I was in my mid twenties..... Article 33484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: conditions in usa Date: 20 Sep 2002 16:30:25 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1032463207.958565@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.150.157 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33484 On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:04:11 -0400, "BeeFarmer" wrote: >Here in S.E. Ohio it too has been really bad. I have had to feed the bees >by the gallons since the middle of August. The goldenrod and asters have >been so dry that the bees can't even get enough for themselves alone stores >for winter. At this point all I can do is keep feeding. We have been oddly lucky here in NW ohio. Even though my location has only seen an inch of rain all summer they have managed to put away a fair surplus. Nothing near normal, but I will ony have to feed a few hives that were started late. Rain has been incredibly spoty with one city south of us reporting 3+ inches last month and a town not 10 miles away from that reporting 0. -Tim Article 33485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D8B71CC.AA5C5872@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:06:52 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <3D8865DA.A9DC4494@atlas.localdomain> <3D89BF7E.DA56673E@atlas.localdomain> <190920021418391347%bee@names.com> <3D8A5A40.C1AB9D61@hcis.net> <200920021039402704%naming@bees.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.91 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1032540641 66.20.227.91 (20 Sep 2002 11:50:41 -0500) Lines: 26 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33485 Name Those Bees wrote: > > > AL wrote: > > > Your kidding - right? You really knew they were Spankie's gang - right? > > Well I think I'm from that generation, but growing up in a rather > isolated area left me far and away from programs and shows like > Spankie's gang and howdy doody etc. > > Heck.... I never even tasted a McDonalds meal until I was in my > mid twenties..... The German who stood in line at a McDonalds in the U.S was nearly laughed out of the store when he ordered a beer (which I understand you can do in Germany) - he started laughing back saying "then you are here for the *food*?" AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 33486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vacated hive Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:20:33 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-528.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33486 I checked hive #3 and it was empty... no bees, dead or alive, no honey nothing.... the new queen was out of the cage too... did they let her out and fly off? Article 33487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vacated hive Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:34:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3d8bb087.535474315@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip155.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33487 On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:20:33 -0700, "Wuffman" wrote: >I checked hive #3 and it was empty... no bees, dead or alive, no honey >nothing.... the new queen was out of the cage too... did they let her out >and fly off? > > I doubt that they walked. beekeep Article 33488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: di@lm39.com (Di) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house... Date: 20 Sep 2002 17:59:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1fd7f015.0209201659.28f5ecc7@posting.google.com> References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> <2lBi9.160730$AR1.6683296@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.40.43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032569981 4208 127.0.0.1 (21 Sep 2002 00:59:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 2002 00:59:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33488 Thanks to all of you for your expert advice on my dilemma. I got in touch with a local beekeeper from this group and he's willing to help me out. If I didn't love the house so much, I'd walk away, but a little "Welcome Home" stress may prove to be good for the soul. ;) Thanks again all who responded. cheers, Di tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote in message news:... > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:52:14 GMT, "Me" wrote: > > > > >Tim's method is the best I know of. There's a couple things to add about > >this method. When the honey is gone, wax will remain. If you don't plug up > >the all entrances, wax moths will move in and clear out the wax. They do > >make a pretty big mess. In the Spring, swarm season, swarms of bees will > >smell the wax and move right in. So, be very sure to plug up any holes once > >the bees and honey are gone. > > > >West Texas Mark > > > > Definately a good idea. I would even do your best to fill the void > with some expanding foam or such. (You can add a longer tube to the > can the stuff typically comes in to fill deaper in the void.) > If the opening is big enough to stuff fiberglass insulation that would > work too, but the openings are rarely big enough. > > -Tim Article 33489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vacated hive Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:04:48 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3d8bb087.535474315@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-818.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33489 There was maybe 3 or 4 dead bees on the bottom board.... but they were very small... brian "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d8bb087.535474315@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 01:20:33 -0700, "Wuffman" wrote: > > >I checked hive #3 and it was empty... no bees, dead or alive, no honey > >nothing.... the new queen was out of the cage too... did they let her out > >and fly off? > > > > > I doubt that they walked. > > beekeep > > Article 33490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: use_email_address_in_signature@NO-SPAM.coopersco.com (Jason Marcus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Question: Honey Price Trend? Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.169.90.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1032614565 ST000 64.169.90.68 (Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:22:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:22:45 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_AOHPQRPLYCJK^_VTDEB\@PD\MNPWZKB]MPXHTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:22:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!ae37da60!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33490 Hi All, I need to know what the average price of a small-med (50-500 lbs) amount of honey delivered in California has done in the past few months? Gone up, stayed the same, gone down? I'm trying to determine if a suppliers excuse for a price increase (of a product made with honey) is valid or not. Thanks, Jason : ) ----------------------------------------------------------- Cooper's Co Photography Jason Cooper Marcus, Photographer Expedition, Outdoor Action, Aerial and Scenic Photography Email: jason at coopersco dot com Web: http://www.coopersco.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Article 33491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Barry METZ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Honey Price Trend? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:08:46 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.9.118 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1032630895 203.54.9.118 (Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:54:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:54:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33491 There seems to be a price increase in excess of 100% on the wholesale price in the past 12 months. This is being driven by a shortage on the world market due to drought in some countries and floods in others as well as China having their honey banned from some markets "Jason Marcus" wrote in message news:use_email_address_in_signature-2109020622280001@192.168.123.170... > Hi All, > I need to know what the average price of a small-med (50-500 lbs) amount > of honey delivered in California has done in the past few months? Gone up, > stayed the same, gone down? I'm trying to determine if a suppliers excuse > for a price increase (of a product made with honey) is valid or not. > > Thanks, Jason : ) > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Cooper's Co Photography > Jason Cooper Marcus, Photographer > Expedition, Outdoor Action, Aerial and Scenic Photography > Email: jason at coopersco dot com Web: http://www.coopersco.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- Article 33492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Pedley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> Subject: Re: mesh floors Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:31:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3d8d00a1$0$8510$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-86-148-78.dsl.pipex.com X-Trace: 1032650913 news.dial.pipex.com 8510 81.86.148.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!feed.news.nacamar.de!news.f.de.plusline.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed02.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33492 In the UK increasingly using mesh floors ... 2mm mesh is about right; it does need to be beeproof but the mesh needs to be large enough for the varroa mites to fall through!. It needs to be rigid, and tough too; I have used pinhole mesh aluminium, which is a bit fine and gets damaged easily, and some very nice stainless steel wire woven stuff that was ok but almost a cloth; the best is a rigid mesh. steel - plastic is no good! Ants no problem here. "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote in message news:akt9tt$o9l$1@green.tninet.se... > Hi > In sweden we mostly use 2x2 mm mesh size > > We have only one ant which are trouble some for the bees and they generally > enter thru the same opening the bees use to get out and in thru > > mvh > Magnus > "Beeman10" skrev i meddelandet > news:20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com... > > I have been seeing an apparent increase in beekeepers saying they are > using > > mesh floors on their hives. > > > > How do you keep ants out? > > What size mesh do you use? > > Article 33493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mesh floors Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:54:53 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> <3d8d00a1$0$8510$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-210.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33493 I am looking for some plans to build me some bottom boards like this also were can I buy the Stainless steel 2mm mesh? Brian Salem Oregon "Andy Pedley" wrote in message news:3d8d00a1$0$8510$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com... > In the UK increasingly using mesh floors ... 2mm mesh is about right; it > does need to be beeproof but the mesh needs to be large enough for the > varroa mites to fall through!. It needs to be rigid, and tough too; I have > used pinhole mesh aluminium, which is a bit fine and gets damaged easily, > and some very nice stainless steel wire woven stuff that was ok but almost a > cloth; the best is a rigid mesh. steel - plastic is no good! > > Ants no problem here. > "nor600w@tninet.se" wrote in message > news:akt9tt$o9l$1@green.tninet.se... > > Hi > > In sweden we mostly use 2x2 mm mesh size > > > > We have only one ant which are trouble some for the bees and they > generally > > enter thru the same opening the bees use to get out and in thru > > > > mvh > > Magnus > > "Beeman10" skrev i meddelandet > > news:20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com... > > > I have been seeing an apparent increase in beekeepers saying they are > > using > > > mesh floors on their hives. > > > > > > How do you keep ants out? > > > What size mesh do you use? > > > > > > Article 33494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nosema treatment with thymole Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:00:22 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-80-57.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1032688614 4710 62.11.80.57 (22 Sep 2002 09:56:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2002 09:56:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!teaser.fr!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33494 Who has news respect to the treatment of the nosema, with thymol added to the syrup (30 mMs for liter of syrup 2: 1)? ? ? in practice as thymol in weight (in gr. ) it needs to add to the syrup? . obviously the thymol must be loosened before in alcool. ciao a tutti you excuse my English a scarce po Article 33495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sdega315@yahoo.com (ScottD) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drifting and overwintering?? Date: 22 Sep 2002 08:00:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1f604a1c.0209220700.5bdf982e@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.48.154.29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1032706829 32660 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2002 15:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2002 15:00:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33495 I have two hives in my suburban Maryland yard. They were both installed from packages this spring. I have been feding them both all summer. One has a strong population and the other has many fewer bees. I think the bees may be drifting from the weak to the strong hive. Both have a good store of honey. The strong one has three full supers which I assume they will be soon moving down to replace what they eat from the deeps. The weaker one has two heavy deeps. Two questions... 1) How can I tell if the bees are drifting from one hive to the other? Should I cut back more of the shrubs from in front of the weak hive to allow for a better flight path into the entrance? 2) How many bees does a hive need to survive a typical Maryland winter? I don't really have a good sense of how few is too few? Any clues? Thanks ==Scott Article 33496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bees residence in tentative new house...Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:54:14 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: Reply-To: replyto References: <1fd7f015.0209192025.6879832a@posting.google.com> <2lBi9.160730$AR1.6683296@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> <1fd7f015.0209201659.28f5ecc7@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 88 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33496 I have some straight answers for you on your bee situtation - some that others didn't touch on. I've done more than my share of bee removals (for those that are interested in doing it - go to www.beesource.com and look up the BeeVac plans listed there for -FREE- ) Ok - bees in the walls? Means your house must have been built before they had fiberglass insulation & because of that you would be wise to find out why the wall is uninsulated before you buy the house. Bees need a minimum space to build a home. Breadbox size is absolute (!) minimum and usually 3' x 1' ...with some covering 8' square inside walls. -or- maybe you're not certain they're in the walls? Newer homes will all have insulated walls but the eves are not - leaving perfect 'beehive' spaces for bees to take care of. It's very EASY to remove hives from roof eves and usually without much demolition (any? with nails removed) to your woodwork. 95% (approx) of the hives I've removed are in roof eves. As for the hive, unless you've done caulking or patching to their entrance the hive will generally be within 6 inches of where they fly into - with some exceptions depending on the creativity of the bees - but always the shortest distance available. I remember one that made bees walk a good 2-3' to get to acceptable living quarters for the bees. It was actually built that way on purpose as it was an ~1880's stagecoach house and someone built into the house a beehive, apparently so they could take honey for their visitors through a glass pane built into the wall. Have your beekeeper remove the hive in spring. Once removed, the bees WILL not survive your winter unless they have time to acclimate/build a new hive. Spring is best for the bees and "no" the hive won't get bigger, instead the reverse, as workers die off and eat away at the winter stores. Springtime will have the smallest number of bees and the least amount of mess. Now (fall) will be the biggest - mess but biggest honey yeild. When you have the bees removed, insulate the space with fiberglass insulation. It doesn't have to be packed in every square inch. Just enough so all the breadbox sized voids within 3 to 6' of the old wax remnants are -loosely- filled. The idea about filling cracks sometimes works but if your house is old you could probably spend a lifetime and still miss places where your bees could enter to find the old hive. There was one I removed here that the homeowners were successful in closing off one end of their roof-top and the bees immediately used the opposite fan entrance, some 30+ feet away. There was another that the bees would chew away the caulk as fast as the homeowner would place it. As for OTHERS considering the removal of their bees, if you have them killed a hive left to it's own devices might melt when the weather turns warmer. Bees actually keep a hive from melting by bringing in water and fanning with their wings. If your hive is accessable, absolutely remove the hive (with live bees!) insulate the space, and you won't see bees making that portion of your house their home anymore. But then, you have the rest of your house to consider. Close off what you can - caulk, mesh, repair. Peach orchard? My dream! Unfortunately hard to grow in our neck of the woods. My peaches have produced only one out of seven years, about average for our cool spring weather. But were they ever good! As for paying your beekeeper, reward him well. I generally charge $300 for a removal here and my competition (only other in Denver) goes for $400-$800 - and we both take the bees, wax and honey with us. The mess is left for your re-construction, though 90% of the time it's a snap ro insulate the space and put back the roof eve. Generally you want to leave the space open for ~a week so other insects can clean up the honey mess left after the hive is cut out. Wasps, yellow-jackets and neighboring bees will lick it spic and span. Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO On 20 Sep 2002 17:59:40 -0700, di@lm39.com (Di) wrote: >Thanks to all of you for your expert advice on my dilemma. I got in >touch with a local beekeeper from this group and he's willing to help >me out. If I didn't love the house so much, I'd walk away, but a >little "Welcome Home" stress may prove to be good for the soul. ;) > >Thanks again all who responded. > >cheers, >Di > Article 33497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mesh floors Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:27:25 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020901075918.10797.00000591@mb-ca.aol.com> <3d8d00a1$0$8510$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1032740847 7248184 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-feed1.de1.concert.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33497 #7 mesh is usually used (although many use 6 or 8) in the states. Most bee supply houses carry it or you can get hardware cloth at most hardware stores (although not usually stainless). "Wuffman" wrote in message news:amjt3601o08@enews2.newsguy.com... > I am looking for some plans to build me some bottom boards like this also > were can I buy the Stainless steel 2mm mesh? > > Brian > Salem Oregon > > > "Andy Pedley" wrote in message > news:3d8d00a1$0$8510$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com... > > In the UK increasingly using mesh floors ... 2mm mesh is about right; it> Article 33498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: leggassoc@aol.com (Leggassoc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Sep 2002 19:55:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: bees hanging out Message-ID: <20020923155506.29739.00004730@mb-mb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33498 Its been very dry here and there hasn't been much bloom late summer so been feeding them to build up for winter. Most of my hives have entrance feeders but this morning I noticed a couple hives that I had been feeding internally had beeshanging in a chain on the front of one hive and on another that they had a wall of bees hanging underneath the front of the hive. Any ideas of what is going on and should I worryabout it? (It was a little early in the morning for them to be flying.) Lawrence Legg Afton Manor Honey Boones Mill VA Article 33499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Matthew W. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping ordinance overturned - Castle Rock, CO Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:53:15 -0600 Organization: Zilch Message-ID: Reply-To: replyto X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33499 Anyone whom would want to overturn their 'ban' on beekeeping - I have some 'creative' arguements that could help your fight - mostly directed to the lack of feral colonies since 1993 and corresponding need for pollinators. If interested - e-mail me (qualityram@removethis yahoo.ie) or post here and I'll send you the 2 reports I threw at our town council - AND overturned our beekeeping ordinance last night. Quite the fight. The victory isn't complete yet - because they passed the ordinance in all zones(great!) and no limitation on size of the lot (better!) BUT with a clause for "special review". Problem? We wouldn't have an issue with any review EXCEPT their review process costs $1185. to the town just to apply. Funny? Not that it matters all that much as I only have one hive for pollination in the town (& run 75-150, depending on the year, on my farm and different locations - all outside the town & unaffected by the ban). But this is a victory by putting beekeeping and the importance of bees to introduced landscape when we have -complete- demise of our feral honeybee pollinators. Without my hive our neighborhood 'bushels' of apples, plums and cherries would fall to a handful - just as it was in 1993 before the hive was introduced. Does this sound like an important issue to your town that bans beekeeping? -------- Also - On Bee-L another beekeeper sent a post on "right to farm" laws passed in most states. Search the Bee-L posts on Dick Allen's website for this one if you don't subscribe. It's worth the effort ! Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO Also - (to Greg, the Beekeep) I haven't had time to follow up on the "non-contributing, bee-culling" thread but I have a 'doozy' response I think you'll enjoy. Article 33500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steven Turner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE beekeeping newsletter Apis-UK Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:16:10 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3273.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1032898272 20497 217.134.28.201 (24 Sep 2002 20:11:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 2002 20:11:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33500 Hello and welcome to the FREE beekeeping newsletter Apis-UK The September issue of Apis-UK Newsletter is now available from our website. While you are online reading this message click on the link below to invoke your web browser and view the latest issue of Apis-UK http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newsletters/apis-uk0902.htm Total download 256KB approximately 37 seconds with a 56K MODEM. Contents: Editorial, Beekeeping news articles (GMO issues) and events listing. Articles: Acarine, Honey Money - A new approach to an old problem in Kenya, Installation by Mathew Allen. Letters to the editor. This issue prints to 22 sides of A4. The Apis-UK notifications mailing list has now grown to 257 subscribers. 31 new additional subscribes since last month, making Apis-UK a powerful communication tool for your beekeeping events. David Cramp the editor would welcome any contributions and feedback. Best Regards Steven Turner (Apis-UK web editor) Article 33501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping ordinance overturned - Castle Rock, CO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2U5k9.267387$AR1.11275892@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:43:10 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 49 X-Trace: sv3-KSiG0zPiftiu+ixttO1D18qPxdZSepBi5tT3mvECYFQ0YAjUaWppJcCwUTdWoat8lEY8eZNxeSmPXDA!aGWu9YRJ2Ba9NksTyajsE4FwSrZiC6JQ/rQ5yWPTziOQAT2Bm5fevha4QkOTy2bNnen/CucqVNvG!EU/2/IGPKxJmHH9q0YE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:43:10 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33501 Sure Matthew, I'd love to see what you wrote. I'm starting a local association, and it might come in handy. West Texas Mark "Matthew W." wrote in message news:i7c1puokufn4np30nbdk8ur1vanp9oarej@4ax.com... > Anyone whom would want to overturn their 'ban' on beekeeping - I have > some 'creative' arguements that could help your fight - mostly > directed to the lack of feral colonies since 1993 and corresponding > need for pollinators. > > If interested - e-mail me (qualityram@removethis yahoo.ie) or post > here and I'll send you the 2 reports I threw at our town council - AND > overturned our beekeeping ordinance last night. Quite the fight. > > The victory isn't complete yet - because they passed the ordinance in > all zones(great!) and no limitation on size of the lot (better!) BUT > with a clause for "special review". Problem? We wouldn't have an > issue with any review EXCEPT their review process costs $1185. to the > town just to apply. Funny? > > Not that it matters all that much as I only have one hive for > pollination in the town (& run 75-150, depending on the year, on my > farm and different locations - all outside the town & unaffected by > the ban). But this is a victory by putting beekeeping and the > importance of bees to introduced landscape when we have -complete- > demise of our feral honeybee pollinators. Without my hive our > neighborhood 'bushels' of apples, plums and cherries would fall to a > handful - just as it was in 1993 before the hive was introduced. > > Does this sound like an important issue to your town that bans > beekeeping? > > -------- > Also - > On Bee-L another beekeeper sent a post on "right to farm" laws passed > in most states. Search the Bee-L posts on Dick Allen's website for > this one if you don't subscribe. It's worth the effort ! > > Matthew Westall - "E-Bees" - Castle Rock, CO > > Also - (to Greg, the Beekeep) I haven't had time to follow up on the > "non-contributing, bee-culling" thread but I have a 'doozy' response I > think you'll enjoy. > > > Article 33502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ground Bees Lines: 124 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C263FB.23842880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:17:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1032909471 24.31.194.116 (Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:17:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:17:51 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!ord2-feed1.news.algx.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33502 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C263FB.23842880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent this response several days ago but never showed up in my = newsgroup server, so I send again. Sorry if it's a duplicate: Nesting in the ground, and according to your description, they are = almost certainly yellow jackets (which of course, are not bees). For pictures = to help in identification, see: http://www.pollinator.com/identify/whatsbuzzin.htm Even yellow jackets are primarily beneficial (they catch and feed = their babies many caterpillars), so leave them alone, unless they are in a = traffic area. The nest will die out when cold weather comes, unless you are in a tropical area. If you must get rid of them, you can take a bucket of hot water with = a cup of dish detergent, and pour it into the hole at night. Don't use a flashlight, as guards will sometimes fly to it. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Thirsty Viking" wrote in = message news:n6ti9.30041$1C2.1663498@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... I have nest/burrow of some kind of feral bee in my front yard. I think = this is a group that relocated from an area treated by an exterminator a few weeks ago... about 50 ft away. Hole diameter is about 1.5 inches. The bees are small... they looked like some sort of fly. until I get close = and see them entering the hole at slow speed. At that time I can see some yellow and black rings on a lower segment. What are my options, If I thought they were honey bees.. id contact a local beekeeper. I'll call him anyway... but if he can't help I'd love some advice before I try to run a hose or paying an exterminator... = they weren't there a couple weeks ago. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C263FB.23842880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I sent this response several days ago = but never=20 showed up in my newsgroup server, so I send again. Sorry if it's a=20 duplicate:
 
   Nesting in the ground, and according to your = description, they=20 are almost
certainly yellow jackets (which of course, are not = bees). =20 For pictures to
help in identification, see:
http://www.po= llinator.com/identify/whatsbuzzin.htm

  =20 Even yellow jackets are primarily beneficial (they catch and feed=20 their
babies many caterpillars), so leave them alone, unless they are = in a=20 traffic
area. The nest will die out when cold weather comes, unless = you are=20 in a
tropical area.

   If you must get rid of them, = you can=20 take a bucket of hot water with a
cup of dish detergent, and pour it = into the=20 hole at night. Don't use a
flashlight, as guards will sometimes fly = to=20 it.
--
Dave Green   SC  USA
The Pollination Home = Page=20 (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com
 

"Thirsty Viking" <John_Doerter@.I.HAT= E.hotmail.SPAM.com>=20 wrote in message
= news:n6ti9.30041$1C2.1663498@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...I=20 have nest/burrow of some kind of feral bee in my front yard.  I = think=20 this
is a group that relocated from an area treated by an = exterminator a=20 few
weeks ago...  about 50 ft away.  Hole diameter is about = 1.5=20 inches.  The
bees are small...  they looked like some sort = of=20 fly.  until I get close and
see them entering the hole at slow=20 speed.   At that time I can see some
yellow and black rings = on a=20 lower segment.

What are my options,  If I thought they were = honey=20 bees..  id contact a
local beekeeper.  I'll call him=20 anyway...  but if he can't help I'd love
some advice before I = try to run=20 a hose or paying an exterminator...  they
weren't there a couple = weeks=20 ago.
Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C263FB.23842880-- Article 33503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:35:54 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <20020923155506.29739.00004730@mb-mb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-197.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33503 I have the same issue on two of my hives. I have just finished the fall harvest and now (two days later) I have the "great wall" of bees on the front of both hives. They literally are hanging draped off the front like some large beard. I am also curious about this phenomenon and what it means. "Leggassoc" wrote in message news:20020923155506.29739.00004730@mb-mb.aol.com... > Its been very dry here and there hasn't been much bloom late summer so been > feeding them to build up for winter. Most of my hives have entrance feeders > but this morning I noticed a couple hives that I had been feeding internally > had beeshanging in a chain on the front of one hive and on another that they > had a wall of bees hanging underneath the front of the hive. Any ideas of > what is going on and should I worryabout it? (It was a little early in the > morning for them to be flying.) > > Lawrence Legg > Afton Manor Honey > Boones Mill VA Article 33504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Rick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Riverside County Vector Control Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:24:34 -0700 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.184.130.253 X-Trace: nopics.sjc 1032924240 65.184.130.253 (24 Sep 2002 20:24:00 -0700) Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!telocity-west!TELOCITY!nopics.sjc!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33504 Can you believe these bureaucratic pencil-pushers will NOT come out and remove an eight-foot by five-foot swarm of AHBs from inside the fence in the backyard of a 75 year old wheelchair-bound widow who's barely scraping by on social security because "it's on private property."??? I hope some obnoxious neighborhood kid gets stung to death so those useless beard-scratchers get their lazy asses sued. Article 33505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.products,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Возьму на реализацию з/п части Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:55:39 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-65.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1032939250 79601 195.64.233.65 (25 Sep 2002 07:34:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Sep 2002 07:34:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.food:362556 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:100891 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:83948 relcom.commerce.machinery:345559 relcom.commerce.metals:406973 sci.agriculture:70082 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33505 sci.agriculture.fruit:4319 Возьму на реализацию з/п части к тракторам и комбайнам. Офис находиться в Киеве. Article 33506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.products,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Предлагаю з/п по бартеру на с/х продукцию Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:41:00 +0400 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-65.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1032939142 79601 195.64.233.65 (25 Sep 2002 07:32:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Sep 2002 07:32:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!image.surnet.ru!surnet.ru!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.food:362558 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:100892 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:83949 relcom.commerce.machinery:345560 relcom.commerce.metals:406977 sci.agriculture:70083 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33506 sci.agriculture.fruit:4320 sci.agriculture.poultry:39748 Article 33507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "HИlder Fernandes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Software Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:48:11 +0100 Organization: Netvisao, A sua Internet por Cabo Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1032932570.827737@newsfront2> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsfront2.netvisao.pt X-Trace: newshub.netvisao.pt 1032932463 19664 213.228.128.102 (25 Sep 2002 05:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvisao.pt NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 05:41:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cache-Post-Path: newsfront2!unknown@cr-217-129-81-24.netvisao.pt X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!nntp.cprm.net!newshub.netvisao.pt!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33507 I'am looking a free software or crack to help with feeding and recording milk yields. tanks HF Article 33508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Riverside County Vector Control Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:56:32 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-478.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33508 what is AHB's? I sure hope no kid gets stung to death... for her sake she would loose her land and be deemed liable...... I dought the politicians would get sued over it..... but she might.... Brian Salem oregon USa "Rick" wrote in message news:ula2puccbn91qdpbatsru279erb2kdtf88@4ax.com... > Can you believe these bureaucratic pencil-pushers will NOT come out > and remove an eight-foot by five-foot swarm of AHBs from inside the > fence in the backyard of a 75 year old wheelchair-bound widow who's > barely scraping by on social security because "it's on private > property."??? I hope some obnoxious neighborhood kid gets stung to > death so those useless beard-scratchers get their lazy asses sued. > Article 33509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Software References: <1032932570.827737@newsfront2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 23 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:36:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.12.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1032950214 151.203.12.231 (Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:36:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:36:54 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33509 www.fsf.org lots of free software www.gnome.org more GUI you might look at gnumeric gnucash These are of course not specific programs but are freesoftware that should work with some setup. Charles Puffer HИlder Fernandes wrote: > I'am looking a free software or crack to help with feeding > and recording milk yields. > > tanks > HF > > > Article 33510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Software Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:30:09 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <1032932570.827737@newsfront2> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-426.clefable.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1032982257 29907 217.135.85.170 (25 Sep 2002 19:30:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Sep 2002 19:30:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33510 Milk yields? From bees? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha , He HeHe He He, Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho! "HИlder Fernandes" wrote in message news:1032932570.827737@newsfront2... > I'am looking a free software or crack to help with feeding > and recording milk yields. > > tanks > HF > > > Article 33511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: leggassoc@aol.com (Leggassoc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Sep 2002 20:27:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bees hanging out Message-ID: <20020925162749.24683.00005973@mb-mr.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33511 Guess they are just hanging out in the true sense. Article 33512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: leggassoc@aol.com (Leggassoc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Sep 2002 20:31:06 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: mesh floors Message-ID: <20020925163106.24683.00005975@mb-mr.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33512 I just use hardware cloth from hardware store with .25" grids. THey seem fine with it and I use scrap wood to build the frame and then bend the edges of the cloth down and staple it to the inside of the frame. Keep it simple. to monitor, I wedge a piece of white plastic with Pam spray on it underneath the hive. Article 33513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: leggassoc@aol.com (Leggassoc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Sep 2002 20:36:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Ground Bees Message-ID: <20020925163609.24683.00005976@mb-mr.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33513 two other methods for getting rid of them. Most people around here prefer pouring gas or kerosene down the hole. Don't need to light it but lot of people enjoy toasting them. Will kill hte grass and note exactly safe. Alternate method that also works well on nests in walls is to take carbaryl (Sevin Garden Dust) and squirt it in hole at night. They will carry it on their bodies into the nest. Might have to make two treatments a week apart to get 'em all. Don't shine light in hole when treating either! Article 33514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Nick" From: "Nick" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.food.drinks,relcom.commerce.food.sweet,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.products,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry References: Subject: Re: Предлагаю з/п по бартеру на с/х продукцию Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:33:13 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.20.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1032989421 80.1.20.101 (Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:30:21 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:30:21 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.food:362579 relcom.commerce.food.drinks:100900 relcom.commerce.food.sweet:83956 relcom.commerce.machinery:345625 relcom.commerce.metals:407037 sci.agriculture:70094 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33514 sci.agriculture.fruit:4322 sci.agriculture.poultry:39778 eh?! "Истомин" wrote in message news:amroq6$2dnh$11@app0.visti.net... > > > Article 33515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mesh floors Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:59:06 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20020925163106.24683.00005975@mb-mr.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1032998351 9363630 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33515 .25 is a little large - other pests, like yellow jackets, can get inside that way. That's why the 7/inch or 8/inch is usually used instead. "Leggassoc" wrote in message news:20020925163106.24683.00005975@mb-mr.aol.com... > I just use hardware cloth from hardware store with .25" grids. THey seem > fine with it and I use scrap wood to build the frame and then bend the edges of > the cloth down and staple it to the inside of the frame. Keep it simple. > to monitor, I wedge a piece of white plastic with Pam spray on it underneath > the hive. Article 33516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Bees Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:00:26 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020925163609.24683.00005976@mb-mr.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1032998428 9522000 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33516 Spraying a pesticide such as Sevin is totally unnecessary. In addition to killing the one nest, it can leave a residue that cleans out any nest robbers later on. "Leggassoc" wrote in message news:20020925163609.24683.00005976@mb-mr.aol.com... > two other methods for getting rid of them. Most people around here prefer > pouring gas or kerosene down the hole. Don't need to light it but lot of > people enjoy toasting them. Will kill hte grass and note exactly safe. > Alternate method that also works well on nests in walls is to take carbaryl > (Sevin Garden Dust) and squirt it in hole at night. They will carry it on > their bodies into the nest. Might have to make two treatments a week apart to > get 'em all. Don't shine light in hole when treating either! Article 33517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:03:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3d924ecd.33012231@news1.radix.net> References: <20020923155506.29739.00004730@mb-mb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip152.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33517 On 23 Sep 2002 19:55:06 GMT, leggassoc@aol.com (Leggassoc) wrote: >Its been very dry here and there hasn't been much bloom late summer so been >feeding them to build up for winter. Most of my hives have entrance feeders >but this morning I noticed a couple hives that I had been feeding internally >had beeshanging in a chain on the front of one hive and on another that they >had a wall of bees hanging underneath the front of the hive. Any ideas of >what is going on and should I worryabout it? (It was a little early in the >morning for them to be flying.) > >Lawrence Legg >Afton Manor Honey >Boones Mill VA A hive with a bee beard is a good thing. beekeep Article 33518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:27 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1033004973 209.239.173.174 (Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:33 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33518 I'm currently running a single hive, and of course have more honey that I can possibly consume. My thought is to donate it to local food bank. Of course I haven't jumped through any of the hoops that commercial producers have to go through before selling honey (BTW, what do you have to do?). Is there any downside to donating hobby honey? Besides driving down the price per pound? :) Rick Article 33519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: little black beetle Date: 25 Sep 2002 23:29:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0209252229.7cb334da@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033021763 13885 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2002 06:29:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 2002 06:29:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33519 I need a little advise here from the experts! As I was taking off filed frames yesterday I saw a little black beetle on the surface of the comb, it was playing dead but after trying to remove it with the hive tool it ran and it got lost somewhere inside an open cell. It was about a 1/4 inch long by little less wide. Any idea of what this is and what the danger to look out for if any! Thank you very much for the help, Fr. Athanasios Article 33520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:53:25 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <20020923155506.29739.00004730@mb-mb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-80-100.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1033027125 3066 62.11.80.100 (26 Sep 2002 07:58:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 2002 07:58:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33520 Hi ! Simple!, the bees don't have nectar to pick up and they stop you annoy, or don't have space inside the apiary, since new bees and you they were born you have removed the supers with the honey. Solution? (It needs to give him a greater house, to put again the super one). "Patrick Dugan" ha scritto nel messaggio news:amr3u6$h87$1@ins22.netins.net... > I have the same issue on two of my hives. I have just finished the fall > harvest and now (two days later) I have the "great wall" of bees on the > front of both hives. They literally are hanging draped off the front like > some large beard. I am also curious about this phenomenon and what it > means. > > > "Leggassoc" wrote in message > news:20020923155506.29739.00004730@mb-mb.aol.com... > > Its been very dry here and there hasn't been much bloom late summer so > been > > feeding them to build up for winter. Most of my hives have entrance > feeders > > but this morning I noticed a couple hives that I had been feeding > internally > > had beeshanging in a chain on the front of one hive and on another that > they > > had a wall of bees hanging underneath the front of the hive. Any ideas > of > > what is going on and should I worryabout it? (It was a little early in > the > > morning for them to be flying.) > > > > Lawrence Legg > > Afton Manor Honey > > Boones Mill VA > > Article 33521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5564f45f.0209252229.7cb334da@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: little black beetle Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:48:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1033051687 24.31.194.116 (Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:48:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:48:07 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33521 Here's a possibility. Where are you? http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Bees/notes/shbnote.html http://www.pollinator.com/afrobeetles.htm -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Fr. Athanasios" wrote in message news:5564f45f.0209252229.7cb334da@posting.google.com... > I need a little advise here from the experts! > As I was taking off filed frames yesterday I saw a little black beetle > on the surface of the comb, it was playing dead but after trying to > remove it > with the hive tool it ran and it got lost somewhere inside an open > cell. > It was about a 1/4 inch long by little less wide. Any idea of what > this is and what the danger to look out for if any! > > Thank you very much for the help, > Fr. Athanasios Article 33522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020925163609.24683.00005976@mb-mr.aol.com> Subject: Re: Ground Bees Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:52:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1033051944 24.31.194.116 (Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:52:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:52:24 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33522 "KOland" wrote > Spraying a pesticide such as Sevin is totally unnecessary. In addition to > killing the one nest, it can leave a residue that cleans out any nest > robbers later on. Absolutely right! Pesticides that are incorporated into the ground do not have the effects of sunlight and oxygen to break them down. They tend to move into the ground water. Do you want to be drinking Sevin? Or causing someone else to be doing it? And gasoline is even worse. A small amount of gasoline can pollute large amounts of ground water with potent carcinogens. It is the worst ground water pollution issue in the USA. Never EVER pour gasoline into the ground. Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 33523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Honey Price Trend? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:35:23 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-106.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.85) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033061738 10039419 209.115.174.85 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-106.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33523 Call 763-658-4193 for a recorded message with a sampling of recent sale volumes and prices in the US. If you know of any sales and prices, leave a message after the tone. allen Article 33524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor wanted Date: 27 Sep 2002 21:26:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0209272026.7cd7850b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033187201 6867 127.0.0.1 (28 Sep 2002 04:26:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2002 04:26:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33524 Looking for a used extractor preferably electric and no bigger than 20 frames, will consider even if it needs mechanical or other repairs! Please respond in private by e-mail to: frathan@airdial.net Located in Wisconsin, USA. Thank you very much! Fr. Athanasios Article 33525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees from nowhere Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:37:53 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1033245472.636522@spinics.net> References: <20020927165227.26510.00007955@mb-cl.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu rec.gardens.edible:70304 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33525 In article , jc wrote: >In some SW regions, there is a concern about the africanized >honeybees that are now considered to dominate in all wild >honeybee populations and beekeeping in urban residential >neighborhoods would be considered unneighborly. Bee keeping is one way to keep the local bee population non-africanized. A beep keeper will use queens from a known source and not from the wild population. -- http://yosemitenews.info/ Article 33526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D96746D.E6FCD3B6@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Bees References: <20020925163609.24683.00005976@mb-mr.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:23:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1033280610 67.251.117.207 (Sun, 29 Sep 2002 02:23:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 02:23:30 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!ps01-chi1!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33526 Leggassoc wrote: > > two other methods for getting rid of them. Most people around here prefer > pouring gas or kerosene down the hole. Don't need to light it but lot of > people enjoy toasting them. Will kill hte grass and note exactly safe. > Reminds me of my daddy many years ago trying to get rid of a yellow jacket's nest in our church graveyard. (Daddy did the mowing.) The weather had been quite dry and the grass was brittle, though the usual weeds needed mowing. When he lit the gasoline, the grass caught fire and the tops of three or four graves were scorched before we could put out the blaze. There were only the two of us to fight the fire, and the fire went in every direction. He never set fire to one again! Louise Article 33527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:22:29 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.119.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1033330557 28885 62.136.119.26 (29 Sep 2002 20:15:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2002 20:15:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33527 Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help fund the beekeeping? Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:27 -0700, Richard Hyde wrote: >I'm currently running a single hive, and of course have more honey that >I can possibly consume. >My thought is to donate it to local food bank. Of course I haven't >jumped through any of the hoops that commercial producers have to go >through before selling honey (BTW, what do you have to do?). >Is there any downside to donating hobby honey? Besides driving down the >price per pound? :) >Rick Article 33528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: little black beetle Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:25:20 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <2coepu0gq38qif5hv3u0tima24sjk603iq@4ax.com> References: <5564f45f.0209252229.7cb334da@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.119.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1033330728 28885 62.136.119.26 (29 Sep 2002 20:18:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2002 20:18:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33528 I have often heard of this bettle but am horrified by your second site and the amount of damage done. It says in these sites that the bettle was introduced. Why? On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:48:07 GMT, "Dave Green" wrote: >Here's a possibility. Where are you? >http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Bees/notes/shbnote.html > >http://www.pollinator.com/afrobeetles.htm Article 33529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Radial extractor RPM? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:17:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1033334255 12.81.128.165 (Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:17:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:17:35 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33529 I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a motor on. I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear down.Anyone know what the maximum RPM should be? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there Article 33530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:16:00 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-583.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33530 Well I don't think there is anything wrong with donating it to a charity or local church food bank.... May be able to write it off on the ol taxes if you have enough.... Personaly I just give it away to friends... I only took 2 quarts from them my first year and I bet if I wanted to I could get more... ( had the extractor not broke). but I have lots more friends asking for it... I promised a bunch of them next year I would get them some honey if they save their honey bears for refill.... Brian "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:n3oepu80t8fj9eqi66l65j949lq88gsicl@4ax.com... > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > fund the beekeeping? > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:27 -0700, Richard Hyde > wrote: > >I'm currently running a single hive, and of course have more honey that > >I can possibly consume. > >My thought is to donate it to local food bank. Of course I haven't > >jumped through any of the hoops that commercial producers have to go > >through before selling honey (BTW, what do you have to do?). > >Is there any downside to donating hobby honey? Besides driving down the > >price per pound? :) > >Rick > Article 33531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D979B22.880D4F8A@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:32:29 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Lines: 17 X-Trace: sv3-dejZ/09GMb6+5kJI8cxLbUSgsNTBw+4uXeMbX6xWobw63UCaEGwxXIg+QJp2rzWgEEznibVFyvttjOS!CTcyRSaNhl+6U0+J/ZKsw4L7h7f01Pfnqr5cy5vaSNJISFw3vKU4ip1UrSzbKvtS7uIK X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:32:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33531 George Styer wrote: > > I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a motor on. > I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear down.Anyone know what the > maximum RPM should be? > Well, in my opinion one can never have too much power - 1/4hp??? Man I'd for for a full pony at 2000rpm... But seriously, have you looked into a variable speed control? Depending on the type of motor this may not be an option but if it is that would be the ticket. AL Article 33532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D978CBF.3E3C92A0@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? References: <3D979B22.880D4F8A@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:29:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1033342185 209.239.173.174 (Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:29:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:29:45 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33532 Danger, Will Robinson... > > I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a motor on. > > I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear down.Anyone know what the > > maximum RPM should be? > > > > Well, in my opinion one can never have too much power - 1/4hp??? Man I'd > for for a full pony at 2000rpm... > > But seriously, have you looked into a variable speed control? Depending > on the type of motor this may not be an option but if it is that would > be the ticket. Just FYI. If you buy a motorized Ranger from Dadant outright, the cost is roughly $170 more than the hand crank. If you buy the motor kit after the fact, expect to pay $300+. Rick Article 33533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D978D30.423CEDD8@batnet.com> From: Richard Hyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Donating hobby honey to food bank? References: <3D9267A7.DC001B31@batnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:30:56 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1033342298 209.239.173.174 (Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:31:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:31:38 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33533 Steve Newport wrote: > > Donating it sounds fine - but why? Why not sell your excess - help > fund the beekeeping? > Where in the World are you? (CA I assume given the ISP?) I'm on the San Francisco Peninsula. I only had 63 lbs from my one hive this year. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell it. I'm in the hobby more for the bees than the product :) Cheers, Rick Article 33534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:36:02 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-133.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.112) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033346154 12347452 209.115.174.112 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-133.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33534 > I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a motor on. > I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear down.Anyone know what the > maximum RPM should be? It depends entirely on the diameter of the reel. My Kelleys max out at 240 RPM or so, and they are 60" across. You'll need higher RPM on smaller extractors. Search the BEE-L archives for 'RPM' and see what you find. Read all the messages though. I think one of the contributors (me?) made an error in the early discussion. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 33535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:39:06 -0600 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-133.spots.ab.ca (209.115.174.112) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1033346343 12679677 209.115.174.112 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pm3-133.spots.ab.CA!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33535 > Search the BEE-L archives for 'RPM'... Duh! Sorry. Go to http://www.internode.net/honeybee/BEE-L/ to search. Lotsa great stuff. (And some that's less great). allen Article 33536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5564f45f.0209252229.7cb334da@posting.google.com> <2coepu0gq38qif5hv3u0tima24sjk603iq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: little black beetle Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:41:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1033353718 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:41:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:41:58 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33536 The introduction was not intentional. No one knows for sure how it happened, but it's thought that the beetle came in on some fruit on one of the eastern ports. It moves on fruit shipments here, as well as riding with migratory bees, and flying on its own, so it spread around fast. In many areas it is a minor problem. But in some coastal areas (sandy soil is thought to be a major factor in reproduction), it was a major disaster, with total loss of bees until beekeepers learned how to treat for the pest. "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:2coepu0gq38qif5hv3u0tima24sjk603iq@4ax.com... > I have often heard of this bettle but am horrified by your second site > and the amount of damage done. It says in these sites that the bettle > was introduced. Why? > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:48:07 GMT, "Dave Green" > wrote: > > >Here's a possibility. Where are you? > >http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Bees/notes/shbnote.html > > > >http://www.pollinator.com/afrobeetles.htm > Article 33537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you know... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:01:30 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1033358488.976098@spinics.net> References: <3D7C7743.9080308@comcast.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33537 In article <3D7C7743.9080308@comcast.net>, John Clayton wrote: >Also, I recommend the book ( $19.95 us ) Beekeeping for Dummies, >by Howland Blackiston - I did many images for this book, >including the covershot. The book is a complete HOW TO GUIDE in >the simplest laymans terms available. Do you like The ABC and XYZ of Bee Keeping? http://www.spinics.net/0936028017 -- http://www.spinics.net/photo/ Article 33538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Riverside County Vector Control Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:09:12 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1033358952.245067@spinics.net> References: X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33538 In article , Wuffman wrote: >what is AHB's? I would assume he means africanized honey bees. -- http://www.spinics.net/yosemite/ Article 33539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractor RPM? Date: 30 Sep 2002 13:09:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <700de225.0209301209.61fabe23@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.132.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1033416548 18509 127.0.0.1 (30 Sep 2002 20:09:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Sep 2002 20:09:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33539 "George Styer" wrote in message news:... > I've got a small 6 frame Dadant Ranger radial that I want to put a motor on. > I have a 1/4 hp 1725 RPM motor that I need to gear down.Anyone know what the > maximum RPM should be? A 6 frame radial must be pretty small and there is a danger of going so fast that the force on the frames will break the comb - that is what you are after. I hand cank my maxhine which is an 18 framer and approx. 600mm in dia. at it's fastest at 2-3 revs of the handle per sec. into a 4:1 drive so that's 60 x 4 x 2.5 say revs per minute = 600 rpm very best. Occasionally a comb breaks but that's usually a pretty duff comb anyway. I've thought on a number of occasions about 'electrifying' my machine, but yields in recent years here in Scotland have not justified it. One thing that I am very aware of is that the start up load with 18 full frames is pretty hefty and that a motor with a very good low speed torque characteristic would be required. I've a motor/worm gearbox assembly that will probably do the job but that is the sort of thing that you will need in my opinion. Rob