From connie@lightspeed.net Tue Aug 19 05:23:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: connie@lightspeed.net (Connie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scrap Sugar??? Date: 4 Aug 2003 20:26:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.32.93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1060053963 31323 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2003 03:26:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 2003 03:26:03 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36325 Where can I buy cheap sugar? I have been paying $16 for 50 lbs. at Smart and Final. Is there a better deal? I'm in Bakersfield, California and the bees look like they will need feeding soon .... it's as dry as burned toast out here. Thanks for any replies. From hardenhomeREMOVE@bigfoot.com Thu Aug 28 05:24:58 EDT 2003 Article: 36401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!203-219-242-176-bri-ts9-2600.tpgi.com.AU!not-for-mail From: "Graham Harden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in a cold climate Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:08:32 +1000 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Graham Harden" NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-219-242-176-bri-ts9-2600.tpgi.com.au (203.219.242.176) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1061514524 4722525 203.219.242.176 (16 [60459]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36401 I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four months of the year. Cheers Graham hardenhome@yahoo.com From shuston@riverace.com Thu Aug 28 05:24:58 EDT 2003 Article: 36402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much for land owner? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.93.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1061568245 24.62.93.62 (Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36402 I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? Thanks, -Steve From lazurus106@aol.com Thu Aug 28 05:24:59 EDT 2003 Article: 36403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Aug 2003 17:42:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Message-ID: <20030822134200.15843.00000326@mb-m12.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36403 Hi, The standard that I have used. If its a good site (and you shouldn't stay in a poor one their are a lot of folks eager to have your girls around) A quart a hive up to 20 (in the cheapest gallon jugs) then its a five gallon bucket for 20- 50 most of them have a hard time dealing with 10 quarts the first year then, once there friends have tasted real honey they will take all you can give. and then buy more. Iif they speak early enough and are helpful. I have been known to put it in smaller jars at cost. If want a gazillion 8 oz bears they better show up and fill em themselves. (this also makes it apparent that there is a lot more work in extracting the honey also. And time space and money in storing equipment.) I would recomend working this out before you put your yard in. Obviously too late for this yard but it can help keep you in a good yard if everyone is on the same page from the start. hope this helps. Cheers, Dutch in Madison,WI PS yes thats pretty generous, but consider the differance between a landowner who's solidly behind you and the alternative. From kauhl-mbg@t-online.de Thu Aug 28 05:24:59 EDT 2003 Article: 36404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "D. Kauhl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:04:24 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1061582754 02 7176 FyBfVrwSS0-Wt1 030822 20:05:54 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: XpSrXyZO8enIM3hPWR01TriRXBhOen1fNKM5MCtOub2SYbzGRcjyEx X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36404 hallo temperature for itself and duration of cold period is not the problem, dangerous is humidity, bad isolation, too much room, temporal up and down and shortcoming of food I have my knowledge from a beekeeper of the Alpes, height 900 m: enough food is the only garantee for survival and if you are interested in research results of the university of Munich (home of Max v. Frisch!) referring the behaviour of bees during winter to get their food accessible, I can give you the URL and then you will understand faithfully from the Lake of Constance (apis m. mellifera) kauhl "Graham Harden" wrote in message news:bi3qeq$4g3qt$1@ID-60459.news.uni-berlin.de... > I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that > sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you > guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the > temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four > months of the year. > > Cheers > Graham > hardenhome@yahoo.com > > From martyc@nospamformemegagate.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:00 EDT 2003 Article: 36405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "Marty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee hive chat Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:24:50 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-457.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1050 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1050 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36405 ^ "Marty" wrote in message news:bhnc6j01vb2@enews2.newsguy.com... > Hi All, > I set up a live chat room called the Bee Hive to discuss beekeeping, if > anyone is interested in real time chat. Thought it might come in handy if > anyone had a urgent question or just wanted to fellowship a bit. The link > is: http://client.sigmachat.com/sc.pl?id=46568 > It is open 24-7. One and all welcome. > From DaveHamiltonHatesSpam@alltel.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:00 EDT 2003 Article: 36406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe11.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Message-ID: <53ickvku3tf9lti3u86p7c6uminns92n0l@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:46:00 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:45:01 -0500 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36406 I have always given a 3lb jug for each hive Dave On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:04:05 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees >on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but >never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? >He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > >Thanks, > >-Steve > From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Date: 23 Aug 2003 06:03:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0308230503.abcd6db@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061643785 17145 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2003 13:03:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Aug 2003 13:03:05 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36407 "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:... > I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees > on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but > never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > > Thanks, > > -Steve DO they use pesticides on crops or turf? Is it a productive site? Are there horses on the land which can lead to big problems as some fly sprays really incite stinging? Is the site reasonably secure or is every kid with a dirtbike passing by? Can you park a pickup truck right near the hives? Can you get there after dark when you are moving hives? Are your bees pollinating their crops? I don't think you will find a fixed amount, but it's easy to be generous with honey. I tend to drop a few qts off at a time in mason jars trying to vary the type and season. Be a good landuser- leave gates the way you found them, don't drive over wet fields, keep on top of aggressive colonies, make sure the bees have water, don't burn the place down with the smoker. Tom From islapro@islapro.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:24:23 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-151-60-194.newtp.ya.com X-Trace: news.ya.com 1061655864 22180 62.151.60.194 (23 Aug 2003 16:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36408 In you can get your hand on the last issues of American Bee Juournal, (www.dadant.com) there are several articles >from a canadian fellow by the name of Andrew Dziadyk, from Saskatoon, Wester Canada, and he explains about wintering and short seasons, very well versed. He wrote an 8 part series on this issue. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas "Graham Harden" escribió en el mensaje news:bi3qeq$4g3qt$1@ID-60459.news.uni-berlin.de... > I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that > sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you > guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the > temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four > months of the year. > > Cheers > Graham > hardenhome@yahoo.com > > From jim_member@newsguy.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Date: 23 Aug 2003 10:08:14 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <23e8adb1.0308230503.abcd6db@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-834.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 4.20 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36409 > How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > He wants some honey, probably no money. > What's a reasonable amount? There is a simple answer - they should NEVER want for honey as long as they host your hives. This is in addition to any money that might change hands. Most people don't use much honey, so this is a very easy target to meet. I tend to simply drop off a quart every time I work the hives, sometimes "visiting" with the landowner for a bit before going out to the hives, and sometimes acting like the milkman, leaving the honey on the porch. I do not ever give someone a giant container of honey, as these are unwieldy. (The only people who really want large pails or jugs of honey are people who are serious bakers.) The best part about using smaller containers is that if they don't really need more honey, they can give a quart to a friend, and "share the wealth". For this reason, I use bottles taken from "retail" stock. This approach is the best way to assure good relations, since it gives me an excuse to talk with the landowner more often, which prevents misconceptions, and it is a way to announce when I have been on their land. If someone leaves a gate open, or something unusual happens, the landowner KNOWS when I have "been by" and when I have not. This keeps me from being blamed for random events, If theirs is a large family, don't skimp. Give them the bigger 3-pound jars. jim From islapro@islapro.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:25:31 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-151-62-99.newtp.ya.com X-Trace: news.ya.com 1061717133 18098 62.151.62.99 (24 Aug 2003 09:25:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:25:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36410 One of the mentioned articles from Andrew Dziadyk, part 9, is in the PDF file, May issue of ABJ http://www.dadant.com/journal/toc/documents/MayTableofContents.pdf to bad that they are not placing the documents on the web. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain "Graham Harden" escribió en el mensaje news:bi3qeq$4g3qt$1@ID-60459.news.uni-berlin.de... > I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that > sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice, maybe from you > guys in Canada or North-Central US on how to keep a hive alive when the > temperature drops to minus 20 degrees centigrade (-4 Fahrenheit) for four > months of the year. > > Cheers > Graham > hardenhome@yahoo.com > > From csoderquist@wideopenwest.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.wideopenwest.com!news.wideopenwest.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:42:00 -0500 From: "csoderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:41:41 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <7KqdnXoeM5h0ZdWiXTWJkQ@wideopenwest.com> Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.233.219.130 X-Trace: sv3-cJmGcOvS6yAeA8vxj+/VZ9cQx90HR4VNDv2THPmHsweiLKvXl/m13ii4uyCOMGZ84YiYqSpjL/PYpiQ!Q4xmOwlMQ1FIEq88RNEH5CH7gcHnOdKpbEKJy+IugmErJt20ll85bV/xW/fhLn3Pv8XzFLtdsY7E!wx1u+ylBjd/iqJ1lY7qIpyncBgvWH0XzdPOy7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36411 I keep a dozen hives on a ranch, harvest this year about 1k#. I give the owner a 60# bucket and he buys the containers from me and strains and bottles it himself. This year he asked if I was going to give him more and I said that 60# was more than generous. The hives are in a secure area, locked to keep the cows out, 140 acres of alfalfa and sweet clover, no pesticides, easy access. "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:V9r1b.170320$cF.58839@rwcrnsc53... > I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees > on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but > never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > From natkrit1ps@ont.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Farris" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH + Langstroth.... Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:36:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3efadbfa$0$225@hades.is.co.za> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 42 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36412 I'd go to look at the 'Hardware/Equipment' section of BeeSource.com to get some great ideas on TBHs. If you search this area, you can find some links top TBH photos which might also give you a few ideas. "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message news:3efadbfa$0$225@hades.is.co.za... > I've been wanting to start some TBH and seeing as I will be building them > from scratch, I've been thinking of some possible designs. My biggest > concern with TBH is having to move them, so I thought of this as a solution. > > Take a Langstroth brood chamber and cut the sides (left and right) and > attach a the normal V-Shaped TBH structure to that. In between each section > put a queen excluder. Then in the brood section use normal brood frames > (attached to a top bar), while the store section uses normal TBH. My > thinking is that if I need to move the whole hive I can easily move the > brood and queen into a brood box and a super before the move....then move > them....and then at their new location, move them back into the TBH. > > Another option would be to build a LARGE brood box (about 3 times as wide) > and just use brood frames for everything. Are there extractors that take > brood-size frames? > > The reason I am looking into using a TBH/horizontal configuration is that I > find my bees (African) get quite agitated and disturbed if I need to look at > the brood section, because I need to remove everything above it and I'm > thinking that the TBH structure would eliminate this? I'm a hobbiest, so > "lower" yield is not an issue. > > Any thoughts? > > Regards > > Daniel. > > From honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction to sting Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:21:57 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6xMWrUEVBRS$Ewgw@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061753604 13811 193.237.253.225 (24 Aug 2003 19:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:33:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36413 In article , Peter Edwards writes >What is all this about blood transfusions??? > >Peter Edwards >"Gusttimilián Pazderka" wrote in message >news:bh7kgi$tpo$1@news.contactel.cz... >> Interest: Professional beekeeper must before blood taking >> >> inform that being beekeeper.On blood-transfusion could can take place >> allergic reaction with eventuality also exitus. Sounds like Gus is telling us that if we keep a lot of bees and get stung a lot, if we give blood we should make sure this is known. I have never heard of the possibility that blood donation could cause an allergic reaction in the recipient, but I will ask next time I give blood. -- James Kilty From honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in a cold climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:30:06 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061753605 13811 193.237.253.225 (24 Aug 2003 19:33:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36414 In article , Graham Harden writes >I am looking to move to a cold climate next year, one of the CIS States that >sued to be part of the soviet union. I'm looking for advice Try Ari Sepp Project Manager Finnish Beekeepers' Association komppa-seppala@co.inet.fi www.hunaja.net and Mats Andersson from Stockholm -- James Kilty From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 24 Aug 2003 16:39:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061768355 30378 127.0.0.1 (24 Aug 2003 23:39:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Aug 2003 23:39:15 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36415 I'd like some comments...A Bee Buddy went to his outyard. Found one of 25 or so hives dead. A swath of dead bees 2-3 deep from the hive to about 3-4 feet out into the grass. Clear line of demarcation between bees and ground fairly evenly spread. When we opened: Queen and maybe a cup of workers were walking around totally empty drawn comb. No brood, pollen, or honey. Maybe a half cup of dead bees in the solid bottom board. A whiff of skunk was in the yard but no skunk poop or scratching. He checks his yards about every other day. Rest of hives are normal, though about 6 inches apart, facing SW. Its been a rainy year. Little honey. He brought this hive home from the Mountains last week (along with most of the others in this yard). Most were medium weak, but not this way. Must have been 3-5 # of bees in that dead swath. Any speculation? From hrogers@txk.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@txk.net (Doc Rogers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 25 Aug 2003 09:39:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7e3b131a.0308250839.19257c12@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.119.69.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061829551 6096 127.0.0.1 (25 Aug 2003 16:39:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Aug 2003 16:39:11 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36416 Howdy Susie -- Sounds like robbing to me. It is amazing how much honey a bunch of robbers can haul away in a short time. Moving bees and other things can disorient a colony for a day or so, so it is helpful to reduce the opening severely for a couple of days to help them in defending the colony. Doc From knackeback@randspringer.de Thu Aug 28 05:25:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!redrat.quark.de!nobody From: Knackeback Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey and allergy Date: 25 Aug 2003 20:01:23 +0200 Organization: 1&1 Internet AG Lines: 4 Sender: thomas@redrat.quark.de Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pd90362de.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: online.de 1061832700 26035 217.3.98.222 (25 Aug 2003 17:31:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:31:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36417 A colleague of mine reported about his brother who can not eat honey because he suffers from an allergy. What is known about the interrelation between pollen as a component of honey and allergies ? From alanzen@nohostinvalid.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alanzen Subject: Re: honey and allergy User-Agent: Pan/0.14.0.93 (He's Upstairs, Helping Porcelain Make the Bed) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 04:32:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.74.154.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1061872324 67.74.154.218 (Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:32:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:32:04 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36418 On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:01:23 +0200, Knackeback wrote: > A colleague of mine reported about his brother who can not eat honey > because he suffers from an allergy. What is known about the interrelation > between pollen as a component of honey and allergies ? You can find a dearth of information with a google search or a medline search using "allergies + honey + pollen". From personal knowledge, proteins from various pollens are an inescapable component of any honey. Most often it is a protein which stimulates an allergic response. Here in the US many people consume local honey (with local pollens in relatively low amounts)in order to develop a low dose tolerance effect against local pollen allergens. It is also possible that the allergy is not pollen related, but due to some other component in the honey, perhaps a polysaccharide or other compound. It is possible that an individual could in fact tolerate honey from another area which has nectars and pollens to which he has not yet been exposed and to which he will have developed no allergy thus far. Alan S. From NstretchO@SPstretchphotographyAM.com Thu Aug 28 05:25:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting w/o an Extractor Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Message-ID: Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:21:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.145.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1061900500 66.167.145.88 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:21:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:21:40 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36419 Greetings, all. As we were trying to get our hive back to full strength, we didn't put on a honey super this year. I would like to pull one or two frames out of the second brood box, however, and get a bit of honey for my wife and I. We don't have an extractor. I've heard that the frames can just be turned upside down over a tin of some sort, after the cappings have been punctured or removed. We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are my options for removing the cappings? THANKS! :) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com From avila.35@charter.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvest 2003 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:51:42 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36420 Hello all! I am a backyard beekeeper in Redding , CA (two hours south of Oregon Border). I harvested my single hive this year. I am pleased to say that I extracted roughly 80 lbs from three medium supers. I used Fischer's "Bee Quick" and couldn't be more pleased with the results. I pulled the supers on a cloudy day with 23% humidity. After leaving the fume board on for about ten minutes I pulled the super to find only two bees in the whole super! The product smells great and is easy to work with. This was my first time harvesting honey from my hive so I didn't know what to expect. I am really pleased with the harvest, and yes, it was hard work! I was up until 1am cleaning up the mess! Thanks to all of you who gave me help and advice this past year. I wish all of you a great harvest! May the bee gods smile upon you! James Avila Redding, California From deweyplains@NOSPAMyahoo,com Thu Aug 28 05:25:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Smart" Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc303955.mw.nos.boeing.com Message-ID: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Lines: 23 Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 References: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:00:15 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36421 It could be a pesticide kill. All thoses bees in a swath out front is a sure sign. Billy Smart Kansas "Susi" wrote in message news:f8fc4726.0308241539.76318c00@posting.google.com... > I'd like some comments...A Bee Buddy went to his outyard. Found one > of 25 or so hives dead. A swath of dead bees 2-3 deep from the hive > to about 3-4 feet out into the grass. Clear line of demarcation > between bees and ground fairly evenly spread. When we opened: Queen > and maybe a cup of workers were walking around totally empty drawn > comb. No brood, pollen, or honey. Maybe a half cup of dead bees in > the solid bottom board. A whiff of skunk was in the yard but no skunk > poop or scratching. He checks his yards about every other day. Rest > of hives are normal, though about 6 inches apart, facing SW. Its been > a rainy year. Little honey. He brought this hive home from the > Mountains last week (along with most of the others in this yard). > Most were medium weak, but not this way. Must have been 3-5 # of bees > in that dead swath. Any speculation? From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 26 Aug 2003 13:52:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061931133 13111 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 20:52:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 20:52:13 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36422 I doubt pesticides, because none of the other 20 + hives had any damage. Robbing, maybe over heating? Thanks for your consideration! From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Date: 26 Aug 2003 13:55:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061931306 13261 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 20:55:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 20:55:06 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36423 I've seen pictures of people crushing the combs and straining the honey out. Lose your come. Maybe just use cut comb and strain out the drippings From swilson1@hsc.edu Thu Aug 28 05:25:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cheap sugar Date: 26 Aug 2003 14:00:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1061931639 13516 127.0.0.1 (26 Aug 2003 21:00:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 21:00:39 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36424 Had a question from Debbie and Gary about the name of the supplier: it was Sysco. This is a regular restaurant supplier and we got a discount because of the size of the order and amount of sugar. 13.33333 cents/pound From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:47:46 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.181.168 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1061935691 15983 217.135.181.168 (26 Aug 2003 22:08:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:08:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36425 "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote: > We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are > my options for removing the cappings? A cold knife? I use one of those long ham knives and have extracted over 400 supers so far this year. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 28 05:25:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:55:42 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.181.168 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1061935693 15983 217.135.181.168 (26 Aug 2003 22:08:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:08:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36426 It seems unlikely that the bees died inside the hive, as they would from overheating, because that many dead bees would have blocked the entrance and the very small number of live bees remaining would have had little chance of removing them. I would be more inclined to suspect robbing, pesticide, or poisoning of some sort; sometimes just one or two colonies in an apiary are hit by pesticide - presumably they are working a different source from the others. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Susi" wrote in message news:f8fc4726.0308261252.6bbf508@posting.google.com... > I doubt pesticides, because none of the other 20 + hives had any > damage. Robbing, maybe over heating? Thanks for your consideration! From tim.whittinghamnosp@mvirgin.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:20:02 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3f4bdc78$0$10775$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.134.20.115 X-Trace: DXC=^2=RFO4n2\OU\Ym:M]Po>L?:4Lhl7Fd^H_XTNn4i:J?M Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36427 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:biglob$fjf$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote: > > We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are > > my options for removing the cappings? > > A cold knife? I use one of those long ham knives and have extracted over > 400 supers so far this year. > Heated knife absolutely not necessary. A knife with a serrated edge, very little force and a sawing motion will be very efficient. Am interested to know if you can leave combs to drip themselves empty. sounds plausible. Tim W From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Thu Aug 28 05:25:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:41:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1061944893 4.62.104.31 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:41:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:41:33 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36428 swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) wrote: >.... Found one of 25 or so hives dead. A swath of dead bees 2-3 deep from the hive >to about 3-4 feet out into the grass. Clear line of demarcation >between bees and ground fairly evenly spread. When we opened: Queen >and maybe a cup of workers were walking around totally empty drawn >comb. No brood, pollen, or honey. Maybe a half cup of dead bees in >the solid bottom board. My guess is robbing, since it only affected 1 out of the 25 colonies and the hive was completely empty of honey. However, poisoning can't be ruled out, as it is common for colonies in the same yard to forage different sources. If it were robbing, there would likely be a lot of wax bits on the bottom board, and the cappings of cells that formerly held honey would appear to have been torn open instead of neatly uncapped. If these signs of robbing weren't there, I'd lean towards poisoning. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Thu Aug 28 05:25:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:49:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1061945391 4.62.104.31 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:49:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:49:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36429 "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" wrote: >As we were trying to get our hive back to full strength, we didn't put >on a honey super this year. I would like to pull one or two frames out >of the second brood box, however, and get a bit of honey for my wife and >I. > >We don't have an extractor. I've heard that the frames can just be >turned upside down over a tin of some sort, after the cappings have been >punctured or removed. We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are >my options for removing the cappings? Honey can be extracted from a few frames by scraping down to the foundation with a large spoon IF the comb has not had brood in it. The foundation is stronger than the wax walls on comb that never had brood, and if you are careful it works quite well. Here's how: Hold the frame in a vertical position in a large, shallow bowl. Starting at the bottom of the comb, scrape away at the comb right down to the foundation on each side. Work upwards on the frame. The foundation can then be returned to the hive and the honey/wax mess in the bowl can be strained. Alternatively, enjoy cut-comb honey. Recommend freezing the comb overnight if you do this, to avoid hatching moth larva. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping From heath7@bellsouth.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bignumb.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews2.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Charles Heatherly User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvest 2003 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:24:56 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.161.29 X-Trace: bignews2.bellsouth.net 1061954615 209.214.161.29 (Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:23:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:23:35 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36430 You were very fortunate in your excellent honey year. Many of us here on the east coast have experienced a less than stellar year. First, we had two successive years of drought, then a severe winter, followed by a late spring and a late cold spell that delayed the blooms, and then a very wet summer. Here in NorthCarolina, our honey production has been below expectations, due to the weather. There is good news, though. Our colonies are going into the winter much stronger than they have during the past two winters, so we may have a good year next year. At least, that's something to hope for. Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC James Avila wrote: >Hello all! > > I am a backyard beekeeper in Redding , CA (two hours south of Oregon >Border). I harvested my single hive this year. I am pleased to say that I >extracted roughly 80 lbs from three medium supers. > I used Fischer's "Bee Quick" and couldn't be more pleased with the >results. I pulled the supers on a cloudy day with 23% humidity. After >leaving the fume board on for about ten minutes I pulled the super to find >only two bees in the whole super! The product smells great and is easy to >work with. > This was my first time harvesting honey from my hive so I didn't know >what to expect. I am really pleased with the harvest, and yes, it was hard >work! I was up until 1am cleaning up the mess! > Thanks to all of you who gave me help and advice this past year. I wish >all of you a great harvest! May the bee gods smile upon you! > >James Avila >Redding, California > > > > From j_kimbroNOSPAM@pacbell.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!c0196b2f!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Off the wall one for ya.... Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <9LW2b.7837$q85.2912@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1061959749 ST000 63.197.142.62 (Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:49:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:49:09 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@ION_ZYERR\XLROZOFTBTR\B@GXLN@GZ_GYO^BTJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:49:09 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36431 I know this one might be out there but,,,,,, on some website somewhere I found a picture of a McDonalds meal that also listed everything on it that was pollinated or affected by pollination. I need to get another copy of that picture but for the life of me can't remember where I found it. Sound familiar to anyone? Thanks,,,Jerry From lithar@hcis.net Thu Aug 28 05:25:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:47:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:27:47 -0500 From: AL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting w/o an Extractor References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.72 X-Trace: sv3-YPBVNb0MkDl2Znoo3yvlG4xU0UH3NDQoqMzqBq4cEc769cKHlrTSUV9wI+OAYzCxh5chZvRM3p0etES!tEfmlRdalQeLXtzYVbyaEfb/4Y6g9tVUlbql1EsTSr2X13kLmI+DiW4Xw23jd4gQS4dG432QaiE1!HhvNRBLvfw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36432 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > We also don't have a heated knife, so... what are > my options for removing the cappings? An electric carving knife works great. Keep a pot (2lb coffee can on a camp stove) of boiling hot water handy to soak & heat the blades. This removes wax/honey build up between the reciprocating blades that can drag down the motor - I know for a fact this can lead to motor burn out... AL From isa@msu.edu Fri Aug 29 07:57:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: isa@msu.edu (isa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nature and Science Date: 28 Aug 2003 07:01:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 63 Message-ID: <45d0220e.0308280601.6796fb6d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.8.161.188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062079269 17685 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2003 14:01:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2003 14:01:09 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36433 Nature and Science What Are the Differences Between This Journal and Others? In What Points Are This Journal Better Than Others? There are many journals in the world already. Why is this journal "Nature and Science" created? Here are some points where this journal is better than others and some differences between this journal and others: 1. This journal will not distinguish any author. No priority will be offered to any big person or authority to publish papers in this journal. All people are equal in this journal! We know that many journals normally like to accept papers from big persons or authority. 2. This journal will accept all research results, theories, techniques and debates, no matter how they are different from the conventional opinions. This is an innovative journal, rather than conservative one. We know that there are too many conservative journals in the world. 3. As there are many volunteers and very low cost labors working for this journal, it will make a fast and efficient manuscript review/editing and press with high quality. It normally only takes a few months to publish a paper after the accepted paper is submitted. We know that many journals hire people with high salary and the staff of these journals do not work in the weekend and night, and the journals normally take several years to publish a paper after it is submitted. Many papers are out of date when they are published as the slowly process. 4. This journal will provide free and easy Internet access to all the people in the world. It does not need register or login to read the journal online. We know that many journals charge reader even in the online version, and many journals want reader to do the ridiculous register that waste reader's precious time. 5. The copyright of the articles in this journal belongs to both the authors and the journal. The authors and the journal have the same right to use any information published in this journal freely. We know that most journals totally take over the copyright even the journals do not buy this kind of property right. This keeps the authors from use their precious results and arouses social waste. This copyright taking over restricts the scientific information spreading, which hurts the human civilization development. We are looking for understanding and support form all the world! Please submit your manuscripts to: Nature and Science Marsland Company P.O. Box 753 East Lansing, Michigan 48826, USA isa@msu.edu Thanks! Nature and Science Marsland Company P.O. Box 753 East Lansing, Michigan 48826, USA isa@msu.edu http://www.msu.edu/~isa From kadney@turbotek.net Fri Aug 29 07:57:13 EDT 2003 Article: 36434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nature and Science Date: 28 Aug 2003 14:12:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0308281312.14b314b@posting.google.com> References: <45d0220e.0308280601.6796fb6d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.75.195.240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062105127 5207 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2003 21:12:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2003 21:12:07 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36434 > 1. This journal will not distinguish any author. > 2. This journal will accept all research results, theories, techniques > and debates Ah, yes..."Crackpot Monthly" From nobody@nullcity.net Sat Aug 30 21:56:47 EDT 2003 Article: 36435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@nullcity.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nature and Science Date: 29 Aug 2003 07:58:41 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <45d0220e.0308280601.6796fb6d@posting.google.com> <7fe11997.0308281312.14b314b@posting.google.com> Reply-To: nobody@nullcity.net NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1062158320 1361 166.84.1.3 (29 Aug 2003 11:58:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36435 In article <7fe11997.0308281312.14b314b@posting.google.com>, Ken wrote: >> 1. This journal will not distinguish any author. >> 2. This journal will accept all research results, theories, techniques >> and debates > >Ah, yes..."Crackpot Monthly" Maybe. Maybe not. Reading the first few issue will be fun! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf######panix#######com To reply to this post, use the address components herein. From OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 21:56:48 EDT 2003 Article: 36436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cheap sugar Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:59:57 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1062158411 11863720 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36436 I bought 200 bags for 5 pound sugar for 78 cents a bag! I thought that was a good deal!-- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Susi" wrote in message news:f8fc4726.0308261300.22bc20f6@posting.google.com... > Had a question from Debbie and Gary about the name of the supplier: > it was Sysco. This is a regular restaurant supplier and we got a > discount because of the size of the order and amount of sugar. > 13.33333 cents/pound From david.cramp@zbee.com Sat Aug 30 21:56:48 EDT 2003 Article: 36437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!david.cramp Lines: 24 From: david.cramp@zbee.com (David Cramp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis-UK online magazine August Issue out now Message-ID: <1062251616.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:53:36 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1062251879 195.157.220.2 (Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:57:59 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:57:59 BST Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36437 The August issue can now be downloaded in the usual HTML format Apis-Uk August issue No.16 prints to 20 sides of A4. Contents: Editorial; Beekeeping news; Bee press; Obituary Ian Coleman; Articles: Beekeeping in Serbia; Natural Ways of Improving Varroa Containment (part 3) Ian Rumsey; Matt Allen on nudes, violence and genetic freaks; Me and Mini Nuc's Peter Springall; Poem of the month; Fact file Drifting Drones; Readers letters: Bob Buntine, Brian Hughes, Courtney Etheridge, Ross Gregory, Mark Winston; Beekeeping courses starting 2004; Updated beekeeping events diary and lots more Total D/L. 198KB. http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newsletters/apis-uk0803.htm Copy and paste the above URL in the address bar of Internet Explorer or click on the above link (while connected to the Internet). Apis-UK is a FREE online magazine for the benefit of all beekeepers supported by its readership. Regards editor David Cramp ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. From daniel@x.y Sun Aug 31 16:20:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice.... Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:54:51 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3f52285d$0$64726@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.39.101.126 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1062348893 64726 196.39.101.126 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36438 Hi All, As it is approaching spring down south of the equator, I'm already starting to get things in order for the new season. There are 2 things I'm considering using for this new season. 1. Is lures. We can't really buy packaged bees, nor do I feel like I need to, normally I catch a few wild swarms, but have put together a few extra hives which I plan to bait. I have a few questions relating to luring bees. Firstly, besides from putting in old frames (and I've heard of melting/softening wax and rubbing the inside) are there any other tricks people can suggest? Secondly, what have people's experiences been between just leaving boxes with wax in it Vs. using lures. Thirdly if I went the way of pheromone lures can anyone suggest a good online retainer I can order from. 2. Is a fume board. I'm think of trying a fume board for harvesting....I know that people warn of HARSH CHEMICALS.....any suggestions of natural or homemade substances that do the trick? Any suggestions would be helpful. Best Regards Daniel. From heath7@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 1 22:38:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bignumb.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!bignews3.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Charles Heatherly User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice.... References: <3f52285d$0$64726@hades.is.co.za> In-Reply-To: <3f52285d$0$64726@hades.is.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:14:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.161.23 X-Trace: bignews3.bellsouth.net 1062425647 209.214.161.23 (Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:14:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:14:07 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36440 In addition to using "old comb" make sure it is old brood comb. That's what attract the scouts as they look for a new home where the queen can begin laying eggs immediately. Second, I've been using a fume board to harvest honey for several years with no problems. It works better on a hot sunny days when the fumes spread quickly. I've found that it clears the top two supers easily. If you want to get all the bees out, have a leaf blower ready to propel the last dozen or so that hang around until the last minute. Charles Heatherly Cary, NC Daniel Fiske wrote: >Hi All, > >As it is approaching spring down south of the equator, I'm already starting >to get things in order for the new season. There are 2 things I'm >considering using for this new season. > >1. Is lures. We can't really buy packaged bees, nor do I feel like I need >to, normally I catch a few wild swarms, but have put together a few extra >hives which I plan to bait. I have a few questions relating to luring bees. >Firstly, besides from putting in old frames (and I've heard of >melting/softening wax and rubbing the inside) are there any other tricks >people can suggest? Secondly, what have people's experiences been between >just leaving boxes with wax in it Vs. using lures. Thirdly if I went the way >of pheromone lures can anyone suggest a good online retainer I can order >from. > >2. Is a fume board. I'm think of trying a fume board for harvesting....I >know that people warn of HARSH CHEMICALS.....any suggestions of natural or >homemade substances that do the trick? > >Any suggestions would be helpful. > >Best Regards > >Daniel. > > > > From steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:38:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ragwort Honey Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:10:24 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.123.228 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1062447023 1353 62.136.123.228 (1 Sep 2003 20:10:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2003 20:10:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36441 There has been a lot of talk in the UK about Ragwort (don't know what it is known by elsewhere) and the danger it poses to horses (poison). Does anybody know if the honey from Ragwort is a problem? There are a couple of people locally that have hives near a lot of Ragwort. Thanks Steve Newport Sussex, UK From daniel@x.y Tue Sep 2 08:30:44 EDT 2003 Article: 36442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3f52285d$0$64726@hades.is.co.za> Subject: Re: Advice.... Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:17:10 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3f5443f3$0$64719@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.36.181.226 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1062487027 64719 196.36.181.226 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36442 Hi All, > If you want to get all the bees out, have a leaf blower ready > to propel the last dozen or so that hang around until the last minute. I've noticed this piece of advice about using a leaf blower, however I think people should be careful who they advise to use a leaf blower as I would NOT advise using one on African bees (which is what I work with). I'm not try to perpetuate the myth of KILLER AFRICAN BEES, but they tend to be a bit more tempremental and I'd say a large buzzing leaf blower has a higher chance of "setting them off". My 2c. Regards D. From timothy.whittinghamNO@SPAMntlworld.com Tue Sep 2 08:30:45 EDT 2003 Article: 36443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stimulative spring feeding Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:10 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.8.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net 1062497751 62.255.8.153 (Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:15:51 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:15:51 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36443 I read in Ted Hooper's book that nobody feeds in the spring to stimulate laying because it has been shown to be a waste of time. I read on the internet plenty of people feeding in the spring to get the numbers of foragers up high in time for the honey flow. What is the truth? Tim w From tarheit@wcoil.com Thu Sep 4 06:28:18 EDT 2003 Article: 36444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: 2 Sep 2003 16:50:40 GMT Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.148.150 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36444 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:10 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" wrote: >I read in Ted Hooper's book that nobody feeds in the spring to stimulate >laying because it has been shown to be a waste of time. I read on the >internet plenty of people feeding in the spring to get the numbers of >foragers up high in time for the honey flow. What is the truth? The real answer is 'It depends'. Stimulative feeding works well. But you may have no need stimulate laying depending on your location. If your main honey crop is early spring, then stimulative feeding may make the difference between a good honey crop or none at all. If you are in an area like I am where the major flow is June to August, then early feeding makes little, if any difference. That said, there are still reasons for early stimulative feeding even with a late flow. Two years ago I started feeding as soon as we had 40 degree days. (which just happened to start mid January). This resulted in hives bursting at the seams by the first of April, which was exactly what I wanted so I could make early splits. I split most hives 3 ways with 4+ frames of brood each and plenty of bees. If i had wanted to, I could have made 6+ standard 5 frame nucs from each. Another reason would be for queen rearing. You need a good population of drones for raising queens. Raising queens early spring is difficult because of the lack of drones (colonies don't start raising good numbers of drones until their population increases). Stimilative feeding speeds this up. In fact, I was finding drones in early march when feeding early. Having strong hives early spring for early pollination may be another reason. Another reason may be to take advantage of non typical spring flows. While our normal flow is June-August, you might be able get a crop of apple blossem honey (for example) if you have a good orchard location and your hives are strong. It may be worth the effort if you have a good location. I know someone who sells apple blossem honey for 6/pound to someone who turns around and resells it at a good profit. -Tim From usenet@lutefisk.professional.org Thu Sep 4 06:28:18 EDT 2003 Article: 36445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Sean Straw (to email, replace lutefisk with mail)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reclaiming Colony? Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:07:07 -0700 Organization: Idiom Communications Message-ID: <58q9lvs8fdhfsosq41a4bkcuvdtfsuvbud@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: smirk!unknown@banshee.professional.org X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 102 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36445 (originally posted to alt.hobbies.beekeeping, but has received no responses after several days) First, let me say that I'm _totally_ new to beekeeping. I've got a 3 super (2 llarge, 1 small) apiary, a feeder, and an excluder, plus protective gear and a book or two (which are far from being completely read, including _The_Hive_and_the_Honey_Bee_). I captured a _wild_ colony about three weeks ago, not via a exclusionary transplant to a super, but via a (new) 19 litre bucket. These bees had taken up residence in an irrigation box. The migration method has a lot to do with the fact that around this county, we don't have any agriculture to speak of, and bees are treated as pests (the local listings under bees are all pest control outfits which simply poison the colony and leave it at that!). Within two days, I had an apiary, but didn't yet have foundations for it. Last Sunday [now a week ago Sunday], I purchased the foundations (nearest place selling them is some 85 km away). and immediatley went about installing them into the frames. Although I had a ring of grease on the bucket (perhaps it was too thick?), on Tuesday AM, I noted the bees were zipping around about two metres above the bucket, and that the reason for this was that ants had invaded. I cleared the ants off (and inspected the inside, which didn't seem to have many, and I got what I could), then placed the bucket into a moat in a plastic crate. When I checked a couple of hours later, the top of the bucket was covered with bees which had settled on it, and things were looking good. Up until this incident, the bees seem to have been contendedly heading out of the bucket in the AM, flying about during the day (with many simply loitering about the surface of the bucket), and then all eventually returning in the evening. I could pop open the bucket (the lid had perhaps a score of 1.2 cm holes drilled into the top permitting entry and exit for the bees), and see masses of them buzzing away on the honeycomb which was massed in there. After the ant raid however, they've all flown off - literally, in that one day, just up and left. No visible swarming per se (and the colony was certainly not very strong), but then I wasn't sitting outside all day. However, I've had a 750ml jar with sugar water in the feeder, which is mounted to the entry of the apiary (i.e, they ENTER the apiary and hang a U-turn to get into the feeder housing), and they've happily drained it several times - twice today alone. It is definatley not draining onto the ground - even the inside of the feeder is amazingly cleanded out and non-sticky when it's emptied. I've tried dribbling the sugar water elsewhere in the apiary in the hopes that the bees will come to realize there's a fine home waiting here for them to move into (esp. since they just moved out of the temporary one), but at the end of the day, they're all vacated (but they definatley get up into the supers and clear out the sugar water >from there). Note that the apiary is resting on a metal frame which has it's legs inside cans containing oil, so the ant raid isn't something that will be repeated here. BTW, these were regular tiny black ants - nothing special. Am I clinging to a dream that they'll decide to move in? Is there anything I can do to entice them? How much sugar water will a small colony (I'm figuring that 5-10Kbees tops made the move, and probably much fewer than that survived) consume in a given period? I was stunned that they'd drained 1.5 litres of sugar water today alone, and they'd probably have done much more than that had I been out to refill it more often. FTR, I'm in a temperate climate, identified as "Zone 15" by Sunset _Western_Gardeni_Book_. We get a light frost in the winter time perhaps once every 5 years, but otherwise, winter is simply marked by rain and cold weather (but not ice or snow). We have bees in this area, so obviously they're hiving somewhere - perhaps my small colony has integrated with an existing one in the area? Lastly (and this is just a wild thought), might it be adviseable to attempt to restrict exit from the apiary? I'm thinking that it wouldn't be too difficult to take a couple strips of thick mylar ("thick" being a rather relative term - mylar is rather thin, but the "thick" stuff is a bit more rigid and springy) and make a \ / out of it, but sideways, thus allowing the bees to enter the apiary to get to the feeder, but not be able to exit. Perhaps restricting their exit for a few days. of course, there's the matter of getting the queen to return (which I don't know that I ever hard to start with, BTW). since they've presently got no brood to raise. I'm going to assume that for something like this to work, I'd still have to have a queen in the apiary... Pointers gladly welcome. Flames to /dev/null -- I'm fully aware that one can purchase (much earlier in the season) a queen and a colony, but I'd like to get the bees I had back, and consider necessary purchases at the start of next season. Thanks. From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 4 06:28:18 EDT 2003 Article: 36446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:50:27 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.202.47 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1062531300 29351 217.135.202.47 (2 Sep 2003 19:35:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 2003 19:35:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36446 "Steve Newport" asked: > Does anybody know if the honey from Ragwort is a problem? There are a > couple of people locally that have hives near a lot of Ragwort. Yes - it gives a very bitter, waxy-tasting honey. This is caused by the presence of pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs) which are very toxic. However, MAFF have concluded that this is not a problem as the honey would be inedible if it had sufficient PAs to be a danger to human health (sound familiar?). -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ From steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 4 06:28:19 EDT 2003 Article: 36447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cybertour Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:30:46 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9q2alv0jbk42uf1aheqeb96mrnt8gho7g1@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.103.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1062538245 3438 62.136.103.20 (2 Sep 2003 21:30:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 2003 21:30:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36447 We have a lot of people in our local association that have never 'surfed' the net or even have computers. They have seen little relevance to their hobby. I have arrange the loan of a school room with broadband and a number of PCs with a view to doing an introduction and to show what is available out there. At the moment I am compiling a list of sites to visit but wondered if anybody could recommend some sites that have content which might "grab" their attention? Any help would be great. Thanks Steve Newport UK From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Thu Sep 4 06:28:19 EDT 2003 Article: 36448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cybertour Message-ID: <7boalvsnj2qqtkn6mecb5ajie72n2mrudt@4ax.com> References: <9q2alv0jbk42uf1aheqeb96mrnt8gho7g1@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 03:38:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1062560316 4.62.104.31 (Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:38:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:38:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36448 Steve Newport wrote: >..... I am compiling a list of sites to visit but wondered if >anybody could recommend some sites that have content which might >"grab" their attention? > Allow me to self-promote my own hobby-oriented beekeeping website (http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/ ) containing the following sections: Tips & Tidbits Observation Bee Hives Cell-plug Queen Rearing American Beekeeping History Beekeeping in Fiji, Ukraine, Moldova and Romania Top Bar Hives John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/ From isa@msu.edu Thu Sep 4 06:28:19 EDT 2003 Article: 36449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: isa@msu.edu (isa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nature and Science-Call for Papers Date: 3 Sep 2003 06:21:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 40 Message-ID: <45d0220e.0309030521.256c806b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.8.161.188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062595271 23541 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2003 13:21:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2003 13:21:11 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36449 Nature and Science-Call for Papers Dear Friends: Do you have research results, scientific opinions or review papers to be published? 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Nature and Science (isa@msu.edu) From OhioBeeFarmer@Hotmail.com Thu Sep 4 06:28:20 EDT 2003 Article: 36450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cybertour Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:37:53 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <9q2alv0jbk42uf1aheqeb96mrnt8gho7g1@4ax.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1062599875 15301729 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36450 I hope my below links can be of assistance to you and your project. Thanks -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:9q2alv0jbk42uf1aheqeb96mrnt8gho7g1@4ax.com... > We have a lot of people in our local association that have never > 'surfed' the net or even have computers. They have seen little > relevance to their hobby. > > I have arrange the loan of a school room with broadband and a number > of PCs with a view to doing an introduction and to show what is > available out there. > > At the moment I am compiling a list of sites to visit but wondered if > anybody could recommend some sites that have content which might > "grab" their attention? > > Any help would be great. > > Thanks > Steve Newport > UK From alanzen@nohostinvalid.com Thu Sep 4 06:28:20 EDT 2003 Article: 36451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alanzen Subject: Re: Nature and Science-Call for Papers = SPAM SCAM PLONK! User-Agent: Pan/0.14.0.93 (He's Upstairs, Helping Porcelain Make the Bed) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <45d0220e.0309030521.256c806b@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:42:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.74.173.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1062603757 67.74.173.113 (Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:42:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:42:37 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36451 On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:21:10 -0700, isa wrote: >SNIP > The journal will be supported by the paper contributors. To cover the > printing cost, this journal will only charge authors the really printing > fee (about US$20/printed page). Vanity Press at best, pure scam at worst! SNIP > Nature and Science (isa@msu.edu) Please take this spam off this group and report this spammer! Alan S. From shuston@riverace.com Thu Sep 4 06:28:21 EDT 2003 Article: 36452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7KqdnXoeM5h0ZdWiXTWJkQ@wideopenwest.com> Subject: Re: How much for land owner? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.90.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1062605045 24.62.90.130 (Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:04:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:04:05 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:04:05 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36452 Thanks for all the answers, folks! It worked out fine. I proposed I'd give him a quart per hive; he said he doesn't really care. I'll just be generous. They're now out there on about 150 acres of hay - alfalfa, clover, etc. with easy access. Lovin' it :-) -Steve "csoderquist" wrote in message news:7KqdnXoeM5h0ZdWiXTWJkQ@wideopenwest.com... > I keep a dozen hives on a ranch, harvest this year about > 1k#. I give the owner a 60# bucket and he buys the > containers from me and strains and bottles it himself. > This year he asked if I was going to give him more and > I said that 60# was more than generous. The hives are in > a secure area, locked to keep the cows out, 140 acres of > alfalfa and sweet clover, no pesticides, easy access. > "Steve Huston" wrote in message > news:V9r1b.170320$cF.58839@rwcrnsc53... > > I'm in Massachusetts, US and have a question... I'm going to put some bees > > on someone else's land. I've had them on my property for a few years, but > > never on someone else's. How much should I expect to compensate the owner? > > He wants some honey, probably no money. What's a reasonable amount? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Steve > > > > > > From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: 5 Sep 2003 18:16:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309051716.76ae7012@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062811020 14810 127.0.0.1 (6 Sep 2003 01:17:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 2003 01:17:00 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36453 "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:... > I read in Ted Hooper's book that nobody feeds in the spring to stimulate > laying because it has been shown to be a waste of time. I read on the > internet plenty of people feeding in the spring to get the numbers of > foragers up high in time for the honey flow. What is the truth? > > Tim w It depends on your honey flows. Here without stimulative feeding there is no surplus of honey from maple through fruit bloom. Feeding easily doubles my yield and allows time in the late summer and fall to deal with miticides. Feeding about 25lbs sugar worth of syrup will allow you to make a split or pull a strong nuc, in fact along with requeening pulling a split and putting drawn comb in helps deter swarming. Where does Ted Hooper live? Southeastern CT USA From me@home.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:34:22 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <58q9lvs8fdhfsosq41a4bkcuvdtfsuvbud@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Reclaiming Colony? Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:34:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.135 X-Trace: sv3-wHwFkD0wQvqEYl8WijD3umeYC68sWnmsXxFyWSmmUlOhrCUocJFPxvnQbaJzjgttOa9cUFZFGxGvC7W!+3vUDPFUvHMLXx2NQ6wUae36sltP7Yw+gJOe6+GZCRF15gSWOpjNpoYAoFgjjh9/DYZfF/M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36454 Hello Sean, What has happened is called absconding. They basically gave up their home because the ants were too bad. The bees emptying the feeder, probably aren't your original bees. You're just feeding some other colony. The question as to whether or not bees will move back in, well...., maybe. What you have is a swarm catcher. If a nearby colony swarms, they might smell the comb of the previous occupants and move in; however, it's not likely this late in the year. Sorry for the bad news. (West Texas) Mark --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 From wazisnagi@webtv.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!news-peer-lilac.gradwell.net!news.scramworks.net!news.macromedia.com!nntp-out.svc.us.xo.net!nntp1-feeder.SJ.svc.us.xo.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: wazisnagi@webtv.net (R R) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee keeping buisness Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1642-3F5A31AB-80@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRmqFg6F9Ou6qGkRtFHEefwp1zxdgIUR4HbE0CZf7N+pik23Hlp67rDkL0= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36455 how can you get into the bee keeping buisness ? who do you contact ? how much does it cost up keep ? how much does it pay ? how much work in volved in it ? From ooffy@aol.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 43 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Sep 2003 23:15:25 GMT References: <1642-3F5A31AB-80@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee keeping buisness Message-ID: <20030906191525.28373.00000562@mb-m03.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36456 Boy, how does one answer a post like this without sounding like a smarta__? What, in essences you has asked is: "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?" So, I'll try to give you a start to your questions as follows - <> By learing how to manage a few colonies SUCCESSFULLY for a few years, then a small quanitity (say, 30 colonies), for a year or two before investing in a large number of colonies. Then, all it takes in money to buy hives and equipment. Like any other business investment. <> The first set should be your local state or providence beekeeping association and joining. Also a membership in your national organization would be of help in building contacts with other commercial beekeeprs. <> That depends on how good a manager you are, obviously. I suggest you go to the USDA Tucson Bee Lab web site and track down a copy of the program they offered for beekeeping management. All you would have to do is drop in numbers for the different variables for your projected business model and you would see all your costs and profitability as a function of market variables. <> How good a business person are your? How big an operation are you talking about? That's like asking how mush does the computer business pay - a big difference between a rural computer repair shop and what Bill Gates makes... <> Like any other business, you get out of it what you put into it. The whole secret it to work smart, not hard. Sorry to sound so simplistic, but there is no real answer to that question other than there are no free rides in life. Good luck and truly best wishes on your choice - it's been a good one for me, Ron Bennett Monmouth, OR From honeybs@radix.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping buisness Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:44:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3f5aa844.804307328@news1.radix.net> References: <1642-3F5A31AB-80@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip169.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36457 On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT), wazisnagi@webtv.net (R R) wrote: >how can you get into the bee keeping buisness ? Hive up some bees. >who do you contact ? No one. You just have to find the swarms! They are free for the taking! >how much does it cost up keep ? If you keep bees like most do then it costs almost nothing. Hive the swarm in the spring, clean out the dead hive in the fall, look for new swarm next spring. >how much does it pay ? Tons of free honey. And that's just from a couple of hives! >how much work in volved in it ? None, the bees do all the work. You just sit back and harvest all that honey. You should be able to retire in just a few years. beekeep From honeybs@radix.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping buisness Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:47:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3f5aaa3a.804809553@news1.radix.net> References: <1642-3F5A31AB-80@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip169.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36458 On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT), wazisnagi@webtv.net (R R) wrote: >how can you get into the bee keeping buisness ? Hive up some bees. >who do you contact ? No one. You just have to find the swarms! They are free for the taking! >how much does it cost up keep ? If you keep bees like most do then it costs almost nothing. Hive the swarm in the spring, clean out the dead hive in the fall, look for new swarm next spring. >how much does it pay ? Tons of free honey. And that's just from a couple of hives! >how much work in volved in it ? None, the bees do all the work. You just sit back and harvest all that honey. You should be able to retire in just a few years. beekeep From adey1@tds.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!172.16.20.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "k.adey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1642-3F5A31AB-80@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: bee keeping buisness Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <7OB6b.6629$cQ1.1920920@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 08:14:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.85.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1062922499 66.222.85.203 (Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:14:59 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:14:59 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36459 I would check out some websites (there are many) and see what equipment costs are to start from scratch. I am going to say that for one hive, using 2 hive bodies, 2 supers, 40 frames, 40 foundation, bottom board, inner cover and telescoping outer cover, and a feeding bucket will be close to 130 bucks. In addition to that are the cost of a package of bees (probably 50 bucks with shipping) and costs of feeding, medication, miticides etc. It can add up to quite a bit at first. The good thing is that you can reuse a lot of your equipment year after year if you can keep it free of untreatable diseases. Before you start throwing dollars at it in a large scale, get a couple of hives to keep and see if it hooks you like it has many people. Then it can become like an addiction....throwing every dollar into it for another super or hive. Also see if you can accompany another beekeeper and help him out a little to see if you like it or not. Some probably wouldn't mind a little help lifting supers this time of year. "R R" wrote in message news:1642-3F5A31AB-80@storefull-2277.public.lawson.webtv.net... > how can you get into the bee keeping buisness ? > who do you contact ? > how much does it cost up keep ? > how much does it pay ? > how much work in volved in it ? > From kublia@bigpond.net.au Thu Sep 11 06:51:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Andrew Paul" From: "Andrew Paul" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in aust. Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 08:22:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.40.246.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1062922934 203.40.246.32 (Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:22:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:22:14 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36460 where can I obtain a queen bee in aust Bob From tim.whittinghamnosp@mvirgin.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:19:00 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3f5bae5f$0$10783$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.134.20.246 X-Trace: DXC=7l2h62Jla31:`3^HhmKkT35ZaWZFKi@V;MQ:P:6?5KU= Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36461 "Tim Arheit" wrote in message news:bj2hp0$hnp$0@65.17.148.150... > On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:10 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" > wrote: > > >I read in Ted Hooper's book that nobody feeds in the spring to stimulate > >laying because it has been shown to be a waste of time. I read on the > >internet plenty of people feeding in the spring to get the numbers of > >foragers up high in time for the honey flow. What is the truth? > > The real answer is 'It depends'. Stimulative feeding works well. But > you may have no need stimulate laying depending on your location. > > If your main honey crop is early spring, then stimulative feeding may > make the difference between a good honey crop or none at all. If you > are in an area like I am where the major flow is June to August, then > early feeding makes little, if any difference. > > That said, there are still reasons for early stimulative feeding even > with a late flow. Two years ago I started feeding as soon as we had > 40 degree days. (which just happened to start mid January). This > resulted in hives bursting at the seams by the first of April, which > was exactly what I wanted so I could make early splits. I split most > hives 3 ways with 4+ frames of brood each and plenty of bees. If i > had wanted to, I could have made 6+ standard 5 frame nucs from each. > > Another reason would be for queen rearing. You need a good population > of drones for raising queens. Raising queens early spring is > difficult because of the lack of drones (colonies don't start raising > good numbers of drones until their population increases). Stimilative > feeding speeds this up. In fact, I was finding drones in early march > when feeding early. > > Having strong hives early spring for early pollination may be another > reason. > > Another reason may be to take advantage of non typical spring flows. > While our normal flow is June-August, you might be able get a crop of > apple blossem honey (for example) if you have a good orchard location > and your hives are strong. It may be worth the effort if you have a > good location. I know someone who sells apple blossem honey for > 6/pound to someone who turns around and resells it at a good profit. > > -Tim Thanks Tim. That explains a lot, but I am still puzzled. Ted Hooper says spring feeding has little or no effect. You say it works well. Can it be different in the US? Why the wildly different experiences? Tim W From tim.whittinghamnosp@mvirgin.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <23e8adb1.0309051716.76ae7012@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:25:38 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3f5bafc2$0$12644$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.134.20.246 X-Trace: DXC=1f9ZVM wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0309051716.76ae7012@posting.google.com... > "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:... > > I read in Ted Hooper's book that nobody feeds in the spring to stimulate > > laying because it has been shown to be a waste of time. I read on the > > internet plenty of people feeding in the spring to get the numbers of > > foragers up high in time for the honey flow. What is the truth? > > > > Tim w > > It depends on your honey flows. > Here without stimulative feeding there is no surplus of honey from > maple through fruit bloom. Feeding easily doubles my yield and allows > time in the late summer and fall to deal with miticides. Feeding about > 25lbs sugar worth of syrup will allow you to make a split or pull a > strong nuc, in fact along with requeening pulling a split and putting > drawn comb in helps deter swarming. > > Here is the book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1899296042/qid=1062973071/sr=1-3/re f=sr_1_0_3/026-4219851-1169210 the standard reference for uk beekeepers afaics. See the reviews. He says spring feeding has 'little or no effect' and should only be used on weak/starving hives or nuclei. Tim W From tim.whittinghamnosp@mvirgin.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!easynet-melon!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <23e8adb1.0309051716.76ae7012@posting.google.com> <3f5bafc2$0$12644$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:39:42 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3f5bb30e$0$12656$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.134.20.246 X-Trace: DXC=LCh::ko86Rf=`Q`5SAYG`f_ZPoGbHe5WcMQ:P:6?5KUm Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36463 "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:3f5bafc2$0$12644$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk... > > Here is the book: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1899296042/qid=1062973071/sr=1-3/re > f=sr_1_0_3/026-4219851-1169210 > Here is the full link: http://shorterlink.com/?X7FKSD Tim W From sonnie_bee@lycos.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: sonnie_bee@lycos.com (Sonnie B.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 7 Sep 2003 17:58:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 41 Message-ID: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.46.112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062982732 14016 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2003 00:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 00:58:52 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36464 We had a small gathering of friends and family in our large back yard today (we live in suburban New England). It was a beautiful day and everyone was having a great time. Suddenly, one little boy cried out that he'd been stung by a bee in the eye. At first we didn't take it too serious, as it could have just been a scare. However, a moment later, another boy was stung three times, another boy was stung once, a young girl stung twice, a host of adults attacked, and I suffered a brutal six or seven stings mostly about the face and top of my head. Nobody was allergic and we found no stingers in anyone's wounds, though Benedryl was distributed. The attacks happened very close to my children's large wooden play set (the kind with a fort, slide, and swings, and has a sandbox under the fort). Ironically, I had mowed the yard earlier in the day and we had played for quite a long time earlier in the day on the set without any incident. HERE'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW: I did some research on them and realized they are Eastern Sand Wasps: They look like black & white yellowjackets. Are these insects dangerous to children? How do you treat this kind of sting? What could have prompted such a brutal attack? Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? I am at a loss and we cannot play in the back yard until these bees are gone. How long will they be around for? Any help would be really, really appreciated! Thank you! ~ SB From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 8 Sep 2003 05:41:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.155.142.169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063024863 21818 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2003 12:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 12:41:03 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36465 > HERE'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW: > > I did some research on them and realized they are Eastern Sand Wasps: > They look like black & white yellowjackets. > > Are these insects dangerous to children? Allergy is rare but observe the kids for a while to make sure they don't break out in hives or have difficulty breathing. > > How do you treat this kind of sting? Put an ice cube on it. > What could have prompted such a brutal attack? These wasps raise their young in sand' don't confuse defense with brutality. > Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? Stay out of the sand. > I am at a loss and we cannot play in the back yard until these bees are gone. Wasps are not bees > How long will they be around for? As long as there is an attractive sand bed it will be inviting to these wasps. > Any help would be really, really appreciated! > > Thank you! ~ SB From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: 8 Sep 2003 05:47:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309080447.5c0cd75d@posting.google.com> References: <23e8adb1.0309051716.76ae7012@posting.google.com> <3f5bafc2$0$12644$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> <3f5bb30e$0$12656$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.155.142.169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063025255 22122 127.0.0.1 (8 Sep 2003 12:47:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2003 12:47:35 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36466 "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message news:<3f5bb30e$0$12656$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk>... > "Tim Whittingham" wrote in message > news:3f5bafc2$0$12644$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk... > > > > Here is the book: > > > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1899296042/qid=1062973071/sr=1-3/re > > f=sr_1_0_3/026-4219851-1169210 > > > Here is the full link: > > http://shorterlink.com/?X7FKSD > > Tim W Like many publications I couldn't get my bees to read it. With stimulative spring feeding more workers are free to gather pollen. From tarheit@wcoil.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stimulative spring feeding Date: 8 Sep 2003 16:22:46 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3f5bae5f$0$10783$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.111 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36467 On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:19:00 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" wrote: > >"Tim Arheit" wrote in message >news:bj2hp0$hnp$0@65.17.148.150... >> On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:15:10 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" >> wrote: > >Thanks Tim. That explains a lot, but I am still puzzled. Ted Hooper says >spring feeding has little or no effect. You say it works well. Can it be >different in the US? Why the wildly different experiences? > >Tim W > > I can't explain the differences easily. There are many different factors. Temperature, amount of pollen coming in, and breed of bees to name a few. Italians for example, repond well to stimulative feeding and are quite willing to raise brood just about all though the winter. They also tend to have large winter populations and use a large amount of honey over the winter. In contrast I'm told carnolians are stimilated more by pollen, and shut down brood production when it isn't available resulting in smaller winter populations and more efficent use of stores during the winter. I expect that they would not respond as much to stimulative feeding unless pollen substitute was also provided. Even with a pollen substitued I wonder if they would respond as quickly due to a smaller cluster untill the weather got warmer and allowed them to keep a larger brood area. I don't have enough experience with them to say. -Tim From kauhl-mbg@t-online.de Thu Sep 11 06:51:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "D. Kauhl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:36:31 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1063053496 05 429 I25kVtGSsH+EN 030908 20:38:16 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: b0hagZZcreSJUkaPDM7VIPMPtdoKWdizBOnVoZU545KeMurTW-Ce8S X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36468 I would like to know from you if you could detect a hole somewhere in the sand, the wesps flying in and out - is there any uncultvated area but don't be angry, in about 3 weeks they will all have died - and next year regulary inspections > > How long will they be around for? > As long as there is an attractive sand bed it will be inviting to > these wasps. From sonnie_bee@lycos.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: sonnie_bee@lycos.com (Sonnie B.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 8 Sep 2003 17:32:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 47 Message-ID: <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.46.112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063067545 1396 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2003 00:32:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2003 00:32:25 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36469 bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote in message news:<23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com>... > > HERE'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW: > > > > I did some research on them and realized they are Eastern Sand Wasps: > > They look like black & white yellowjackets. > > > > Are these insects dangerous to children? > Allergy is rare but observe the kids for a while to make sure they > don't break out in hives or have difficulty breathing. > > > > How do you treat this kind of sting? > Put an ice cube on it. > > What could have prompted such a brutal attack? > These wasps raise their young in sand' don't confuse defense with > brutality. > > > Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? > Stay out of the sand. > > I am at a loss and we cannot play in the back yard until these bees are gone. > Wasps are not bees > > How long will they be around for? > As long as there is an attractive sand bed it will be inviting to > these wasps. Well, I looked around to see any "holes" but I don't know exactly what I'm looking for. I went out in the morning, so there weren't any flying around, but again, I detected no "holes" in the sandbox or nearby. It is possible there are underground nests nearby in the brush. I have called a specialist/exterminator who is scheduled to come out in the morning. If I learn anything else I shall post the results. They did inform me that symptoms of allergic reaction of these bees are: - dizziness - numbness (in sting area extending as far as whole limb) - nausea and/or vomitting - confusion - slight panic or deliria - swelling of the membranes and throat - loss of consciousness More to come... From adey1@tds.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!172.16.20.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "k.adey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Lines: 57 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 06:32:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.85.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1063089124 66.222.85.25 (Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:32:04 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:32:04 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36470 I would get a sack of diazonon crystals and spread them liberally on the sand or ground where you suspect the wasps are coming from. Diazonon crystals work well to kill just about all insects if you can place it near their abode. "Sonnie B." wrote in message news:2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com... > bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote in message news:<23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com>... > > > HERE'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW: > > > > > > I did some research on them and realized they are Eastern Sand Wasps: > > > They look like black & white yellowjackets. > > > > > > Are these insects dangerous to children? > > Allergy is rare but observe the kids for a while to make sure they > > don't break out in hives or have difficulty breathing. > > > > > > How do you treat this kind of sting? > > Put an ice cube on it. > > > What could have prompted such a brutal attack? > > These wasps raise their young in sand' don't confuse defense with > > brutality. > > > > > Any suggestions on how to handle this problem? > > Stay out of the sand. > > > I am at a loss and we cannot play in the back yard until these bees are gone. > > Wasps are not bees > > > How long will they be around for? > > As long as there is an attractive sand bed it will be inviting to > > these wasps. > > > Well, I looked around to see any "holes" but I don't know exactly what > I'm looking for. > I went out in the morning, so there weren't any flying around, but > again, I detected no "holes" > in the sandbox or nearby. It is possible there are underground nests > nearby in the brush. > > I have called a specialist/exterminator who is scheduled to come out > in the morning. > If I learn anything else I shall post the results. > > They did inform me that symptoms of allergic reaction of these bees > are: > - dizziness > - numbness (in sting area extending as far as whole limb) > - nausea and/or vomitting > - confusion > - slight panic or deliria > - swelling of the membranes and throat > - loss of consciousness > > More to come... From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 9 Sep 2003 07:47:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309090647.31e136fb@posting.google.com> References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.14.103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063118843 19122 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2003 14:47:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 2003 14:47:23 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36471 "k.adey" wrote in message news:... > I would get a sack of diazonon crystals and spread them liberally on the > sand or ground where you suspect the wasps are coming from. Diazonon > crystals work well to kill just about all insects if you can place it near > their abode. The reason Diazanon is being phased out was that children were far more likely to suffer injury from it. And you would spread it on play surfaces? What gives? From tarheit@wcoil.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:08 EDT 2003 Article: 36472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 9 Sep 2003 15:20:56 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.169 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36472 On 8 Sep 2003 17:32:24 -0700, sonnie_bee@lycos.com (Sonnie B.) wrote: >They did inform me that symptoms of allergic reaction of these bees >are: >- dizziness >- numbness (in sting area extending as far as whole limb) >- nausea and/or vomitting >- confusion >- slight panic or deliria >- swelling of the membranes and throat >- loss of consciousness These are the general symptoms of anaphylactic shock and is not the normal reaction. They can be caused by any alergen including stings >from bees, wasps, hornets and even alergies to pollen, mold, latex, various chemicals, drugs, etc. These symptoms are not the normal reaction to any sting. Normal reactions are localized swelling of the area stung, itching, sometimes painful swelling of large areas of the body around the sting, etc. But this is the normal reaction (and possibly a slight alergy in extreme cases), but is not normally life threatening unless it hinders breathing. If you experience the symptoms of anaphylactic shock, get to the hospital immediately because it can cause death within 15 minutes in severe cases. If you know you are this allergic to a sting or other substance, carry an epipen at all times. A study done in Australia showed that 2/3rds (if memory serves) of deaths due to stings were people who knew they had such an allergy, but failed to carry an epipen. (You wouldn't go without your inhaler if you had asthma would you?) Fortunately such reactions are very rare. -Tim From timothy.whittinghamNO@SPAMntlworld.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: beekeeping in aust. Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:41:24 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.8.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net 1063125747 62.255.8.92 (Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:42:27 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:42:27 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36473 "Andrew Paul" wrote in message news:WUB6b.87309$bo1.51375@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > where can I obtain a queen bee in aust > > Bob > > Australia? August? Austin? Austria? From kauhl-mbg@t-online.de Thu Sep 11 06:51:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "D. Kauhl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:23:11 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1063146297 03 32717 tgQPV1WXSpY9ST 030909 22:24:57 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: SIcHMaZcYeDoJ0CuPuazyROh5ToJYmmy5V-P-3puALSz4TLWnlJUg5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36474 "Sonnie B." wrote in message news:2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com... > Well, I looked around to see any "holes" but I don't know exactly what > I'm looking for. > I went out in the morning, so there weren't any flying around, but > again, I detected no "holes" > in the sandbox or nearby. It is possible there are underground nests > nearby in the brush. > I have called a specialist/exterminator who is scheduled to come out > in the morning. > If I learn anything else I shall post the results. hello SB, put a sweet cake or the rest of a T-bone-steak somewhere and you will have the proof - the money for the exterminator will be wasted, in about 2 weeks they will be gone / dead you will have also to inspect your house tell us, how the stung members of your family behave with great sympathy kauhl From kilo_one@hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:09 EDT 2003 Article: 36475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!p01!lakeread06.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "cw" From: "cw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Supplies and Hives Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:27:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.22.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: lakeread06 1063150028 68.100.22.170 (Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:27:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:27:08 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36475 News Clipping "The Washington Times, Washington DC Sept. 09, 2003, section A, page 8. South Carolina "Beekeepers Struggle to keep craft alive" Piedmont- J. Milton King has racks of beekeeping supplies on his screen porch ready to sell cheap or even give away if he can find the right young person to take up the craft. So far, Mr.King who at 86 had been hobbled in recent months by a blood clot in his leg, has had no takers. "The old people like him are dying out," said 73 year old Ernest Kastner, who learned beekeeping from Mr. King a few years ago after the mentor left a jar of fresh honey at his house. "And there just aren't enough young people to take over." Beekeeping is a hard, sweaty and sometimes painful job that yields a small sweet reward. Swarms of beekeepers have quit during the past few decades, frustrated by long hours and made broke by new pests invading hives. ___end FYI anyone in the area of Piedmont, SC. sounds like a good deal to me, wish I was closer. From adey1@tds.net Thu Sep 11 06:51:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!172.16.20.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "k.adey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309090647.31e136fb@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:54:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.85.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1063162452 66.222.85.48 (Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:54:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:54:12 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36476 This is of course correct. I apologize for overlooking this fact. "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0309090647.31e136fb@posting.google.com... > "k.adey" wrote in message news:... > > I would get a sack of diazonon crystals and spread them liberally on the > > sand or ground where you suspect the wasps are coming from. Diazonon > > crystals work well to kill just about all insects if you can place it near > > their abode. > > The reason Diazanon is being phased out was that children were far > more likely to suffer injury from it. And you would spread it on play > surfaces? > What gives? From sonnie_bee@lycos.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: sonnie_bee@lycos.com (Sonnie B.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 9 Sep 2003 21:06:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 60 Message-ID: <2af35f68.0309092006.36ebe0b9@posting.google.com> References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.46.112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063166783 2201 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2003 04:06:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2003 04:06:23 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36477 > hello SB, > put a sweet cake or the rest of a T-bone-steak somewhere and > you will have the proof - > the money for the exterminator will be wasted, in about 2 weeks > they will be gone / dead > you will have also to inspect your house > tell us, how the stung members of your family behave > with great sympathy kauhl Hi again, well... everyone who got stung seems to be doing fine. I still have three bumps on my head where I got hit. Because I'm a stay-at-home-dad and my children enjoy their backyard immensely (we play there for hours per day and it's a big part of their daily ritual on nice days), I opted to have a pest control specialist come to have a look. I'm glad too. I made a big mistake in an unrelated incident. We have standard yellowjackets just above our garage door and I was told by a friend to get some caulking and fill in their hole. I did this last night and when the specialist saw what I'd done, he shook his head and jumped right in to correct the problem. "See," he said, "you've now trapped all those bees inside and they are going to try to get out... into your house!" So, fortunately, it was a problem caught before trouble came along. We searched around the back yard for holes in the ground or around the sandbox, but found nothing. The specialist was troubled by one thing: the attack I received to the head. He told me that Sand Wasps are "low flyers" and typically wouldn't attack >from the head down... they'd go from the legs up. So, he began to rethink his search. He started looking UP. Sure enough, he discovered a horrific looking nest hidden in the branches about three feet over the spot where I was standing. This thing was about the size of a large watermelon or a typical bed pillow. It was huge! The specialist told me that we had a nest of BALD-FACED HORNETS, which are coincidentally black & white just like Eastern Sand Wasps, only these are bigger and resemble in markings the yellowjacket. He asked me if anyone had just showered before the attack and I said, "yes - ME!" He continued and told me that it may have been the fragrances that aroused the hornets or perhaps one of the kids throwing a football too close to the branch may have done it. It took him about an hour to fully control the nest and essentially destroy it. He charged me $75 and I'm glad I called him. Thanks for all the feedback and interest in this. Here are some interesting shots of the insect in question: http://www.microscope-microscope.org/gallery/Kenn/kenn.htm From kilo_one@hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:10 EDT 2003 Article: 36478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!east.cox.net!cox.net!p01!lakeread06.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "cw" From: "cw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309092006.36ebe0b9@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <5ey7b.3564$pe.3126@lakeread06> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:00:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.22.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: lakeread06 1063170049 68.100.22.170 (Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:00:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:00:49 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36478 It is true, they do attack from bottom to top. I once ventured upon one of their underground nests, apparently too close, within moments I looked as if I was wearing a gorilla suit, I was covered from ankles to neck in the little sand wasps. luckily was only stung 23 times before submerging in the stream. "Sonnie B." wrote in message news:2af35f68.0309092006.36ebe0b9@posting.google.com... > > hello SB, > > put a sweet cake or the rest of a T-bone-steak somewhere and > > you will have the proof - > > the money for the exterminator will be wasted, in about 2 weeks > > they will be gone / dead > > you will have also to inspect your house > > tell us, how the stung members of your family behave > > with great sympathy kauhl > > Hi again, well... everyone who got stung seems to be doing fine. > I still have three bumps on my head where I got hit. > > Because I'm a stay-at-home-dad and my children enjoy their backyard > immensely (we play there for hours per day and it's a big part of their > daily ritual on nice days), I opted to have a pest control specialist come > to have a look. > > I'm glad too. I made a big mistake in an unrelated incident. We have > standard yellowjackets just above our garage door and I was told by > a friend to get some caulking and fill in their hole. I did this last night > and when the specialist saw what I'd done, he shook his head and > jumped right in to correct the problem. > > "See," he said, "you've now trapped all those bees inside and they are > going to try to get out... into your house!" > > So, fortunately, it was a problem caught before trouble came along. > > We searched around the back yard for holes in the ground or around > the sandbox, but found nothing. The specialist was troubled by one thing: > the attack I received to the head. > > He told me that Sand Wasps are "low flyers" and typically wouldn't attack > from the head down... they'd go from the legs up. > > So, he began to rethink his search. He started looking UP. > > Sure enough, he discovered a horrific looking nest hidden in the branches > about three feet over the spot where I was standing. > > This thing was about the size of a large watermelon or a typical bed pillow. > It was huge! > > The specialist told me that we had a nest of BALD-FACED HORNETS, which > are coincidentally black & white just like Eastern Sand Wasps, only these are > bigger and resemble in markings the yellowjacket. > > He asked me if anyone had just showered before the attack and I said, > "yes - ME!" He continued and told me that it may have been the fragrances > that aroused the hornets or perhaps one of the kids throwing a football > too close to the branch may have done it. > > It took him about an hour to fully control the nest and essentially destroy it. > He charged me $75 and I'm glad I called him. > > Thanks for all the feedback and interest in this. > > Here are some interesting shots of the insect in question: > > http://www.microscope-microscope.org/gallery/Kenn/kenn.htm From bamboo@localnet.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: 10 Sep 2003 06:27:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309100527.46e48fd8@posting.google.com> References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309092006.36ebe0b9@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.69.92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063200434 32740 127.0.0.1 (10 Sep 2003 13:27:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2003 13:27:14 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36479 Those folks not confusing wasps with bees are confusing sand wasps with yellow jackets. Sand wasps are solitary . The reason you can't find the holes is that the female covers them up after each visit to keep her brood safe. Lossely at first and then a bit more solid when she makes her final visit. Instead of "Sand wasps attacking family" isn't it really "Sand wasps defending their family"? A few stings is part of growing up. The kids will come to grips with being stung if you teach them about the insect that did it and why. I think come spring you will need to either stir the sandbox up every day or keep it covered. A scrap of rubber roofing or pond liner makes a real good cover. From koland@staffingtech.com Thu Sep 11 06:51:11 EDT 2003 Article: 36480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.44!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2003 Tennessee Beekeeper's Association Convention (USA) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:26:33 -0400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.44 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1063214795 22154584 216.111.26.44 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36480 The 2003 Tennessee Beekeeper's Association Convention will be held October 24 and 25 at the Williamson County Ag Expo Center in Franklin, TN. Featured speakers include Steve Taber of Honey Bee Genetics and Kentucky State University's Tom Webster. Tennessee's own John Skinner and Pat Parkman will be on hand along with beekeepers from around the region. We'll publish a schedule as it becomes finalized. Additional information, including a registration form you can print out can be found at http://www.tnbeekeepers.org/2003.htm. Preferred lodging for TBA attendees is available at the Baymont Inn in Franklin at 4207 Franklin Commons Court. Call 615-791-7700 for reservations. Ask for the TBA rate of $49.99 ($57.62 with tax). Franklin is just south of Nashville on I-65. Nearby attractions include the Carnton Plantation, the Nashville Zoo, and the Agricultural Museum at Ellington Ag Center. For family not attending the convention, there are lots of shopping opportunities and Pumpkinfest will be held Saturday, October 25th, on Main Street in Franklin from Second Avenue to Fifth Avenue. The street will be closed and filled with hayrides, children's activities, an Arts & Crafts Bazaar, food including a chili cook off, entertainment and the Octoberfest Beer Garden. From kauhl-mbg@t-online.de Thu Sep 11 06:51:12 EDT 2003 Article: 36481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "D. Kauhl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:32:53 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309092006.36ebe0b9@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309100527.46e48fd8@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1063229677 07 22559 h3kPVfgVSfY6fM 030910 21:34:37 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: SfhDx4ZewewGZUnCZNciVnxRu225LZRCLV4RTP2UT3BEOr2ofWXK82 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36481 thank you for your honest description of all events, for me it was very instructive, we in Europe don't know white hornets, but I'll ask a zoologist - nevertheless I am very sad you let extinct them - please tell your specialist, hornets must not be killed, they are not aggressive at all - have a look at www.hymenoptera.de with best greetings kauhl From swilson1@hsc.edu Tue Sep 16 15:42:56 EDT 2003 Article: 36482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Hive, Queen survived w/few bees Date: 11 Sep 2003 11:55:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063306512 7596 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2003 18:55:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 2003 18:55:12 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36482 Thanks so much. I appreciate the insights. There's been little honey flow here. The local packers have offered $2.00 a pound to a couple buddies of mine for honey in bulk but they wouldn't let go what little they have. Honey is scarce. Probably robbing, though we saw no cappings. Maybe they just starved. From cfortier@techlogic.ca Tue Sep 16 15:42:57 EDT 2003 Article: 36483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newsfeed01.citenet.net!racoon.vif.com!beaver.vif.com!not-for-mail From: carol fortier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: equipement Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: VIF Internet b5 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1063317135.493208@www.vif.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip216-239-64-140.vif.net X-Trace: beaver.vif.com 1063317135 14781 216.239.64.140 (11 Sep 2003 21:52:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@beaver.vif.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:52:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Internet Communication Center v3.2.600 - http://www.techlogic.ca/ Cache-Post-Path: www.vif.com!unknown@ip216-239-89-11.vif.net X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36483 hi, i would like to know how long a deep ans a super last? what kind of work do you have to do to maintain them in a good shape? thanks Carol cfortier@techlogic.ca From cfortier@techlogic.ca Tue Sep 16 15:42:57 EDT 2003 Article: 36484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!egsner!news.cirr.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!feed-maxim.newsfeeds.com!news-small.astraweb.com!news.astraweb.com!news-big.astraweb.com!64.62.191.9.MISMATCH!64.62.191.9.MISMATCH!not-for-mail From: carol fortier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: equipemnt question X-Newsreader: Internet Communication Center v3.2.600 - http://www.techlogic.ca/ Date: 11 Sep 2003 21:57:09 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3f60efb5$0$33751$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 51cad5a5.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=Tea00\nZn?T;VG4lS>lF29ZiS:^U Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36484 hi, i would like to know how long a deep ans a super last? what kind of work do you have to do to maintain them in a good shape? thanks Carol cfortier@techlogic.ca From Bees@foobox.com Tue Sep 16 15:42:58 EDT 2003 Article: 36485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Steve User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on placement of queen excluder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9C98b.1488$ev2.922919@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.77.155.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1063331333 ST000 68.77.155.24 (Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:48:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:48:53 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[OUC_[D[JTORTH]OJHNO_PAAB]@PAPDLXUNNHLIWIWTEPIB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:48:53 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36485 I am researching beekeeping in the anticipation of keeping bees in about a year when I retire to Minnesota. I have no real-life experience yet, but I'm looking forward to meeting some mentors and learning by doing. (I currently live in downtown Chicago so at this point I'm limited to reading.) In reading one of Roger Morse's books, I note that he suggests placing the queen excluder between the two brood chambers instead of immediately under the honey super. His reasoning is that if the queen is prevented >from laying in the second brood chamber, the bees will fill it with honey, thus providing better-quality honey for winter. This logic makes sense to me, but at this point almost anything makes sense to me. I'd be interested in how this is usually done in the real world. Thanks, Steve From room@dogod.com Tue Sep 16 15:42:58 EDT 2003 Article: 36486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Abuse-Report: abuse@teranews.com Message-ID: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.teranews.com!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:50:43 GMT Lines: 23 From: "room@dogod.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Organization: room@dogod.com Reply-To: room@dogod.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36486 I was talking with my girlfriend last night and she said that she saw a story in the newspaper that said that beekeeping is a dying art. That many yong people have no interest, and that as the old timers die off there are less and less people keeping bees. She also said that the story stated that an industrious bee keeper could get up to100 pounds of honey a year. I said that sounded very wrong. I have been reading this group casually for a while as I have been thinking about raising bees (one hive, just to watch them, I really dont have much need for honey myself..) but I was under the impressiont hat at least a few of the people on the list where full tiem bee keepers. Is this correct? Does anybody make a full time living at this, or is it just a big cottage industry? Also, I seem to recall reading that people where getting many pounds of honey out of one hive. Could that 100 pound figure be misquoted, could that be a per hive number? Thanks for any insight! --Matthew From kilo_one@hotmail.com Tue Sep 16 15:42:59 EDT 2003 Article: 36487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!p01!lakeread06.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "cw" From: "cw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:07:53 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.22.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: lakeread06 1063372064 68.100.22.170 (Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:07:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:07:44 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36487 Matthew, I copied and posted that article about 4 days ago in this NG. I cannot recall the posted Subject line, possibly Bee Hives and Equipment. It was in the Sept 9, "Washington Times" newspaper here in Section A page 8. I am sure it appeared in other local papers everywhere. wrote in message news:6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com... > I was talking with my girlfriend last night and she said that she saw > a story in the newspaper that said that beekeeping is a dying art. > That many yong people have no interest, and that as the old timers die > off there are less and less people keeping bees. She also said that > the story stated that an industrious bee keeper could get up to100 > pounds of honey a year. > > I said that sounded very wrong. I have been reading this group > casually for a while as I have been thinking about raising bees (one > hive, just to watch them, I really dont have much need for honey > myself..) but I was under the impressiont hat at least a few of the > people on the list where full tiem bee keepers. Is this correct? > Does anybody make a full time living at this, or is it just a big > cottage industry? Also, I seem to recall reading that people where > getting many pounds of honey out of one hive. Could that 100 pound > figure be misquoted, could that be a per hive number? > > Thanks for any insight! > > --Matthew > > > From swilson1@hsc.edu Tue Sep 16 15:42:59 EDT 2003 Article: 36488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: swilson1@hsc.edu (Susi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Teaspoon Dosage on Fumagilin-B Date: 12 Sep 2003 09:35:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.42.173.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063384534 18263 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2003 16:35:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2003 16:35:34 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36488 Found the dosage on Fumagilin-B: 2 rounded teaspoons dissolved in 4 ounces of 100-120 degree water per 2 Gallons of 2:1 sugar: water syrup. The instructions are in grams and liters and I figured that if my Vet brother-in-law couldn't figure it out maybe it would help someone else to post it here. Your questions and answers have helped me a whole lot and I thank you. From tarheit@wcoil.com Tue Sep 16 15:43:01 EDT 2003 Article: 36489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!207.14.113.17!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Date: 12 Sep 2003 17:11:31 GMT Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.77 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36489 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:50:43 GMT, "room@dogod.com" wrote: >I was talking with my girlfriend last night and she said that she saw >a story in the newspaper that said that beekeeping is a dying art. >That many yong people have no interest, and that as the old timers die >off there are less and less people keeping bees. She also said that >the story stated that an industrious bee keeper could get up to100 >pounds of honey a year. > >I said that sounded very wrong. I have been reading this group >casually for a while as I have been thinking about raising bees (one >hive, just to watch them, I really dont have much need for honey >myself..) but I was under the impressiont hat at least a few of the >people on the list where full tiem bee keepers. Is this correct? >Does anybody make a full time living at this, or is it just a big >cottage industry? Also, I seem to recall reading that people where >getting many pounds of honey out of one hive. Could that 100 pound >figure be misquoted, could that be a per hive number? > 100 pounds is definately a per hive number. Even with todays high honey prices no one could live on 100 pounds of honey (at $1.50 per pound). Most beekeepers I know fall into the hobby or sideline categories ranging from 1 to 200 colonies. The only one I know around me that runs commercially depends on other beekeeping related income (equipment sales, etc.) To an extent it is a dying art. For example, in 1985 there were 10,000 registered beekeepers in the state of Ohio. Today there are only 3,000. The mite hit in the mid 80's and I think a lot of bee havers, just got out of the business because it now takes good planning and management to be successful. Even then, with 10,000 registered beekeepers, I suspect that only a small handfull (10-100) were fully commercial. Most even then were just hobby and sideline. But I do see signs of renewed interest in young people. I know several locally, and the turnout of young people at the convension in Wooster, Ohio seems to be growing substaintially. I don't think we will be anywhere near where the number once was when many people had a hive or two just sitting in their back yard simply because beekeeping is no longer as easy as it once was. Maybe with good breeding for gentleness (necessary for urban beekeepers), and disease resistance it will one day be easy again. One can only hope. -Tim From kadney@turbotek.net Tue Sep 16 15:43:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Date: 12 Sep 2003 12:40:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0309121140.5f3f5d56@posting.google.com> References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.75.200.21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063395660 29911 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2003 19:41:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2003 19:41:00 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36490 I can't speak for others, but I live just outside a town in the pacific northwest of about 30K. I know 4 or 5 here who make their living as beekeepers, half of which as pollinators for local blueberries & cranberries. There are probably 30 hobbyists (myself included). Within 5 miles of me, I know of 4 beekeepers. I would say that in no way is it a dying art, although commercial beekeeping is manual work with few opportunities for automating the process to make it easier. I get about 50 lbs of honey per year from each my 2 hives, but I leave well over 100 lbs on them for feeding during the winter. I think a commercial beekeeper who kills off his hives in the winter & takes all the honey, or takes more honey but feeds them sugar water could indeed get 100 lbs per hive per year. From Bees@foobox.com Tue Sep 16 15:43:02 EDT 2003 Article: 36491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Steve User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7hF8b.2002$ev2.1347264@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.77.155.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1063461059 ST000 68.77.155.24 (Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:50:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:50:59 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPO@SJGWZUORRPXKBCF_P@@GB^NAGDMJ@GZ_GYO^RR@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:50:59 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36491 Just a quick question . . . Tim Arheit wrote: . . . > > To an extent it is a dying art. For example, in 1985 there were > 10,000 registered beekeepers in the state of Ohio. Today there are > only 3,000. What is the signifigance of the term "registered beekeeper"? Do Ohio and other states have a requirement that non-commercial beekeepers register? If so, what agency is it that handles the registration? And a comment . . . > > But I do see signs of renewed interest in young people. I know > several locally, and the turnout of young people at the convension in > Wooster, Ohio seems to be growing substaintially. This is heartening. I see a disturbing trend in the ham radio hobby -- not enough young people entering it and the old timers dying off -- and I am glad to see some indication that this isn't happening for beekeeping. From lazurus106@aol.com Tue Sep 16 15:43:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 37 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Sep 2003 14:20:24 GMT References: <7fe11997.0309121140.5f3f5d56@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Message-ID: <20030913102024.18281.00001186@mb-m06.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36492 Hi, The 100 lb a hive number is one of those it depends numbers, it depends on the local weather, the local tempratures, the local moisture patterns, and patterns, and types of flowering nector sources, stock genetics and a minumum of diesise or parasite loads. So someone in the south with a good year and excellent luck in weather and nector sources can hope for 160 lbs. He might get 20lb or 240 depending on his tecnique and attention to detail. A five second blunder by a crop duster can kill a whole yard 20-50 hives. They need to be included in the actual yeild average. Does this mean that good bekeepers in Canada cannot have a bumper crop and 300 lb yeilds nope. They do it pretty often. Its more a function of luck and attention to detail and good choices of location. Yea this year despite having most of my hives drawing out 2 or three boxs of foundation. I had a couple hives make over 120 lbs (with out having to draw comb it would have been substantially more) SO it might be human nature to claim you did 120 lbs this year at the State beekeeper winter meeting the truth is its closer to 40 lbs I'll know precisly when I finish extracting the last few boxs they tend to be light as they are only partially filled. But its probably closer to 40-50 lbs average (this year) am I gonna hang my head or lie NO. So use average numbers with a grain of salt the honest average in for most of Wisconsin is probably 80 lbs plus or minus 40 pounds (how is that for going to the bank for a bussiness loan). This is with what I call responsable care to ensure helathy bees and leaving them plenty of winter feed. (of course the majority of our genetics are carnieolian stock. Who winter on about one third the feed of italians) They are a little fiesty at times but I've always liked fiesty woman. As for Beekeeping beiing a dying art you should go visit a a state bee meeting I'm not quit the youngest in the room at 49 but there are only a few grand children and a 32 year old younger. When you ask the grand children if they are going to be beekeepers they usually say heck no its too much work, there just helping grandpa or grandma. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI From kadney@turbotek.net Tue Sep 16 15:43:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Date: 13 Sep 2003 13:32:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0309131232.3ae6eb8e@posting.google.com> References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> <7hF8b.2002$ev2.1347264@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.75.199.148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063485174 19121 127.0.0.1 (13 Sep 2003 20:32:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2003 20:32:54 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36493 > > What is the signifigance of the term "registered beekeeper"? Do Ohio > and other states have a requirement that non-commercial beekeepers > register? If so, what agency is it that handles the registration? Here in Washington state, registration is handled by the Dept. of Agriculture. They used to keep a single full-time staff person to handle information requests, etc. I think the rationale is that most full-time beekeepers (200 or more hives) make the bulk of their money pollinating crops so Ag wants to know how many hives are available, the extent of mite damage, etc. There are some standards for having hives, like removable frames, too but most of the state requirements seem to make good sense so I haven't had any issues with them. With the mite problem, I also think the state wants the right to inspect hives & be sure none of us goofballs are exacerbating the problem. From alanzen@nohostinvalid.com Tue Sep 16 15:43:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alanzen Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? User-Agent: Pan/0.14.0.93 (He's Upstairs, Helping Porcelain Make the Bed) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> <7hF8b.2002$ev2.1347264@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:25:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.74.154.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1063517125 67.74.154.208 (Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:25:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:25:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36494 On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:50:59 +0000, Steve wrote: > Just a quick question . . . > SNIP > What is the signifigance of the term "registered beekeeper"? Do Ohio > and other states have a requirement that non-commercial beekeepers > register? If so, what agency is it that handles the registration? > > And a comment . . . >>SNIP > This is heartening. I see a disturbing trend in the ham radio hobby -- > not enough young people entering it and the old timers dying off -- and > I am glad to see some indication that this isn't happening for > beekeeping. In Texas beekeepers with more than 6 colonies are required to register with the State Entomologist through the Texas Apiary Inspection Service. All equipment and hive parts must be branded with an assigned brand number (cost = $10.00). At 47 I'm not exactly a spring chicken, but I am one of the younger beekeepers in this area. I keep hoping that my son or one of my daughters will take an interest. All my children will help out if I ask, but I don't often get volunteers. I see the same thing in the Ham area as well; most of us are older,and most of the few young operators I know all came over from CB and want to treat the amateur bands the same way. ALan S. From john@_spamless_outdoorplace.org Tue Sep 16 15:43:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Message-ID: <2tk8mvcbdgklbft1i9d9c0vhhnbi89jcsm@4ax.com> References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:48:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1063540082 4.62.104.31 (Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:48:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:48:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36495 I don't think beekeeping is a dying art, but it does have a poor success rate for new beekeepers. My observation over the last 20 years of beekeeping is that FAR LESS THAN HALF of new beekeepers are still keeping bees four or five years later. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/ From nobulltrans@mchsi.com Tue Sep 16 15:43:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gary Glaenzer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> <7hF8b.2002$ev2.1347264@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.216.215.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mchsi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1063544981 12.216.215.8 (Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:09:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:09:41 GMT Organization: MediaCom High Speed Internet Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:09:41 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36496 "Alanzen" wrote in message news:pan.2003.09.14.05.26.43.752640@nohostinvalid.com... > > At 47 I'm not exactly a spring chicken, but I am one of the younger > beekeepers in this area. I keep hoping that my son or one of my > daughters will take an interest. All my children will help out if I ask, > but I don't often get volunteers. > > I see the same thing in the Ham area as well; most of us are older,and > most of the few young operators I know all came over from CB and want to > treat the amateur bands the same way. > > ALan S. here too, both beekeeping and ham radio I was into beekeeping as a hobby back in the late 80's, had built up to about 50 hives for pollination rentals in the Sangamon River valley (melons and cucumbers) about 40 miles north of here, had to sell them all off when I moved (small city lot, surrounded on the south and west by business parking, saw the potential problems on the first warm spring day), but fortunately my two 'middle kids' Andy and Mike who were my helpers when they were younger are now getting back into it, the bug has re-bitten me and I'm going to place a couple of hives at the folks' farm in southern IL next year, since we'll be down there a lot due to Dad's health problems From kadney@turbotek.net Tue Sep 16 15:43:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Date: 14 Sep 2003 12:05:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0309141105.121954e8@posting.google.com> References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> <2tk8mvcbdgklbft1i9d9c0vhhnbi89jcsm@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.75.205.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063566312 3169 127.0.0.1 (14 Sep 2003 19:05:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 2003 19:05:12 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36497 My observation over the last 20 > years of beekeeping is that FAR LESS THAN HALF of new beekeepers are > still keeping bees four or five years later. So slightly less successful than marriage, in other words? :-) From frathan@airdial.net Tue Sep 16 15:43:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for beeswax Date: 14 Sep 2003 20:51:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0309141951.7fe4a210@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063597866 3343 127.0.0.1 (15 Sep 2003 03:51:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2003 03:51:06 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36498 Greetings to all, I am looking for some light to medium (but not very dark) yellow pure bees wax, at least 500 lbs. for now, maybe even 1000 lbs. if the price is right. I use about 2000 lbs. a year, this year I will probably use even more.I am located in South Central Wisconsin and I will travel 150 to 200 miles to pick up. Please email me in private! Thank you very much, Fr. Athanasios Holy Trinity Orthodox Church From tarheit@wcoil.com Tue Sep 16 15:43:06 EDT 2003 Article: 36499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Date: 15 Sep 2003 16:36:48 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> <7hF8b.2002$ev2.1347264@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.148.241 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36499 On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:50:59 GMT, Steve wrote: >Just a quick question . . . > >Tim Arheit wrote: >. . . >> >> To an extent it is a dying art. For example, in 1985 there were >> 10,000 registered beekeepers in the state of Ohio. Today there are >> only 3,000. > >What is the signifigance of the term "registered beekeeper"? Do Ohio >and other states have a requirement that non-commercial beekeepers >register? If so, what agency is it that handles the registration? Technically in Ohio a beekeeper himself isn't registered, but his apiaries are. Every apiary must be registered with the Department of Agriculture regardless of number of hives or number of apiaries one beekeeper has. One hive or 10,000, each beekeeper should have registered at least one apiary. From this they can count the number of beekeepers. -Tim From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Tue Sep 16 15:43:07 EDT 2003 Article: 36500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.multikabel.nl!newsfeed.wxs.nl!textnews.wxs.nl!not-for-mail From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: safe varroacide Date: 16 Sep 2003 11:02:02 GMT Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: alc243.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: reader11.wxs.nl 1063710122 14284 195.207.101.243 (16 Sep 2003 11:02:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2003 11:02:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Notes Client on Hugo Thone/Belgium/IBM(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 16/09/2003 12:59:36, Serialize complete at 16/09/2003 12:59:36 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36500 Anybody on this list who knows more about this ? "SUCROSE OCTANOATE [40.0%] BIOCHEMICAL MITICIDE, (sucrose octanoate esters), (AVA Chemical Ventures, L.L.C., EPA Reg. No. 70950-2) for Varroa mite control on honeybees. This product was registered as AAvachem Sucrose Octanoate@, EPA Reg. No. 70950-2-2205, (Registrant: Dadant & Sons, Inc.), effective June 18, 2003. (GT)" cheers, Hugo (half a bee) From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 24 11:01:36 EDT 2003 Article: 36501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: safe varroacide Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:15:31 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.142.139 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1063744431 9959 217.135.142.139 (16 Sep 2003 20:33:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2003 20:33:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36501 Have a look at the Bee-L archives. Link to the search engine from our website. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ wrote in message news:bk6qja$duc$1@reader11.wxs.nl... > Anybody on this list who knows more about this ? > > "SUCROSE OCTANOATE [40.0%] BIOCHEMICAL MITICIDE, (sucrose octanoate > esters), (AVA Chemical Ventures, L.L.C., EPA Reg. No. 70950-2) for Varroa > mite > control on honeybees. This product was registered as AAvachem Sucrose > Octanoate@, > EPA Reg. No. 70950-2-2205, (Registrant: Dadant & Sons, Inc.), effective > June 18, > 2003. (GT)" > > cheers, > > Hugo (half a bee) From j080416@hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:37 EDT 2003 Article: 36502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.108.189.152 From: "beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: safe varroacide Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:04:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1063764254 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:04:14 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:04:14 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36502 It's an organic acid like lactic acid, oxalic acid or formic acid. You have to mix it with water and must spray it on all frames. Very time consuming and works like oxalic acid the only different is the price it cost almost 10 times more and you can't buy it from a corner store. wrote in message news:bk6qja$duc$1@reader11.wxs.nl... > Anybody on this list who knows more about this ? > > "SUCROSE OCTANOATE [40.0%] BIOCHEMICAL MITICIDE, (sucrose octanoate > esters), (AVA Chemical Ventures, L.L.C., EPA Reg. No. 70950-2) for Varroa > mite > control on honeybees. This product was registered as AAvachem Sucrose > Octanoate@, > EPA Reg. No. 70950-2-2205, (Registrant: Dadant & Sons, Inc.), effective > June 18, > 2003. (GT)" > > cheers, > > Hugo (half a bee) From user@host.domain Wed Sep 24 11:01:37 EDT 2003 Article: 36503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:54:51 -0500 From: Peter KERR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: safe varroacide Organization: spambusters References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:55:18 +1200 Message-ID: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 18 Sep 2003 12:54:48 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-040g7/Xv68nFLQjWeZAkyoN9KEdh1O3k/mY+c2bjqyYtnLCfzqLHW5q/ftxe9l69EBrfIjSz0v30E3U!iDk39J5dmrAOunUTnsiGnxm2JvJWPMzyJjZjQ2LZmF6NYcUyA7lN5hkC1H8uaPRr9Oec/hwlfr7z!9+BeIaSvUDoRp3Y= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36503 In article , "beeguy" wrote: > It's an organic acid like lactic acid, oxalic acid or formic acid. teeny quibble, an ester is like an organic salt, this one of octanoic acid radical and sucrose base. Sounds like it might be tricky to make. I wonder if straight octanoic acid would work? > You have > to mix it with water and must spray it on all frames. Very time consuming > and works like oxalic acid the only different is the price it cost almost 10 > times more and you can't buy it from a corner store. The literature says it works by contact, drying out the mites' shell, so spray is probably the only effective application. Only one manfr at present means they can charge what they like, From blackhole@internode.net Wed Sep 24 11:01:38 EDT 2003 Article: 36504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialin-184-87.calgary.primus.CA!not-for-mail From: "allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alberta Beekeepers go to The Mall Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:20:08 -0600 Organization: honeybeeworld point com Lines: 9 Message-ID: Reply-To: "allen" NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-184-87.calgary.primus.ca (209.90.184.87) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1063848030 28979195 209.90.184.87 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36504 What are you doing November 3rd to 5th? Here's an idea: http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/ABA2003.htm allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ From futurecare711@rediffmail.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:38 EDT 2003 Article: 36505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: futurecare711@rediffmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: money on tree Date: 19 Sep 2003 04:14:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <733d2a9f.0309190314.17072de1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 220.226.7.123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1063970070 21828 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2003 11:14:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 2003 11:14:30 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36505 Can do a bit of marketing & typing ? YES !!!!!!!! Then we need you Please mail us at You can surely find a way to earn Please note, ONLY INDIANS NEED TO APPLY From bobpursley@aol.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:38 EDT 2003 Article: 36506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Sep 2003 13:27:55 GMT References: <733d2a9f.0309190314.17072de1@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: usenet_offline-m01) Subject: Re: money on tree Message-ID: <20030919092756.21642.00000950@mb-m01.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36506 In article <733d2a9f.0309190314.17072de1@posting.google.com>, futurecare711@rediffmail.com writes: > >You can surely find a way to earn > >Please note, ONLY INDIANS NEED TO APPLY > I grew up in the Southern US, and remember the signs...ONLY WHITES NEED TO APPLY. One wonders whether time changes things. Bob Pursley From mae@indy.net Wed Sep 24 11:01:39 EDT 2003 Article: 36507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "TOBI ELMORE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <4h8bb.47447$Aq2.8750@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:45:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.75.105.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064112320 171.75.105.231 (Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:45:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:45:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36507 Actually this is slightly off topic. I took a mason jar of honey into the High School and sat it on my desk. It cyrstalized but I didn't care because I use it in my coffee. To reliquidfy it I sat it own the old 1925 steam heater that works when it wants to at the back of the room. Since I am using it in coffee I don't worry to much about over heating it. It does make for interesting conversation with my students. Who think it is a high grade motor oil when it is liquid. Tobi Elmore http://titans.s716.ips.k12.in.us From mae@indy.net Wed Sep 24 11:01:39 EDT 2003 Article: 36508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "TOBI ELMORE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309090647.31e136fb@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:57:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.75.105.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064113054 171.75.105.231 (Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:57:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:57:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36508 "Beecrofter" wrote in message news:23e8adb1.0309090647.31e136fb@posting.google.com... > "k.adey" wrote in message news:... > > I would get a sack of diazonon crystals and spread them liberally on the > > sand or ground where you suspect the wasps are coming from. Diazonon > > crystals work well to kill just about all insects if you can place it near > > their abode. > > The reason Diazanon is being phased out was that children were far > more likely to suffer injury from it. And you would spread it on play > surfaces? > What gives? Actually old labels may premit this kind of thing. It is a good thing that the EPA decided to relabel and remove some of the Chemicals from market because most recieved their labels a long time ago. My wife worked for the county extension office and it was interesting to see the changes that took place in recommendations while she worked there. However Wasp and Hornets where they don't belong need to be eliminated. (I have a personal grudge against ground hornets because as I was working my way through Purdue in the Entomology Orchard I hit these little turkey's nest and they chased me for a long ways.) Tobi Elmore Indianapolis From mae@indy.net Wed Sep 24 11:01:40 EDT 2003 Article: 36509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "TOBI ELMORE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2af35f68.0309071658.19bbbf16@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309080441.67eb359c@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309081632.51ccca53@posting.google.com> <2af35f68.0309092006.36ebe0b9@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0309100527.46e48fd8@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Eastern Sand Wasps Attacking Family Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:08:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.75.105.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1064113695 171.75.105.231 (Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:08:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:08:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36509 Bald faced hornets can be very aggresive if the nest is disturbed. The can build nests that are huge. I saw one in an orchard once that was four feet accossed. If we knew they were around and not in an area where they will bother someone we tended to leave them alone. The Hornets eat mosquitoes. But if they decided to build a next next to my backdoor they are going to be eliminated becuase they will defend their nest from all distrubences. Think African Bees with an Attitude if you hit the nest. Tobi Elmore "D. Kauhl" wrote in message news:bjo5dd$m0v$07$1@news.t-online.com... > thank you for your honest description of all events, for me it > was very instructive, we in Europe don't know white hornets, > but I'll ask a zoologist - > nevertheless I am very sad you let extinct them - please tell > your specialist, hornets must not be killed, they are not > aggressive at all - have a look at www.hymenoptera.de > with best greetings > kauhl > > > From andypedley@fish{spambust}.co.uk Wed Sep 24 11:01:40 EDT 2003 Article: 36510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewsoutpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsinpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Andy Pedley" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9C98b.1488$ev2.922919@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Question on placement of queen excluder Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:09:07 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 67 Message-ID: <3f6dcd28$0$252$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-86-148-78.dsl.pipex.com X-Trace: 1064160552 news.dial.pipex.com 252 81.86.148.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36510 Not heard of this one before; here in UK, we keep qx. between brood boxes and honey supers. sometimes, when the brood nest is at its largest the honey arch extends into the honey supers and you get pollen stored in the supers, which can be a bit annoying; moving the qx down would overcome this, but might make swarming more likely (the brood box in use would be bound to get full of brood so the colony is likely to become swarmy) and they are also likely to completely fill the second brood with honey before going into the supers (although you could harvest from those brood frames). I think doing this would result in a new, and more labour (sorry, forgot how you yanks corrupt the Queen's Engish!) labor intensive management, as you would probably need to move completed frames of brood from the bottom to the top brood boxes, and move hatched / close-to-hatching frames down. You would get drones emerging above the excluder, where they would get trapped and die in the excluder unless you found some way of letting them out. you would need to be absolutely confident that the queen was below the excluder all the time (no change there!), but a plus would be that you would only have to look through one box to find her, not both! You would have had to been able to find her and put her below the qx in the first place. I think, on balance that moving the excluder as you suggest would not work .... but this is speculation on my part and I am sure there are plenty of others out there who can contribute to this discussion, and I will watch with interest. Would it be worth, for instance, moving the queen and queen excluder down part way through the year - perhaps at the end of the main flow? how about an entrance at queen excluder level (and none at the bottom) so that the queen is below the entrance - could solve the "drone" problem - would such an entrance be above, or below, the qx, or both; too late this season (in the UK!) to try it out this year, we are feeding, and battening down the hatches for the winter. but I will certainly mull over this interesting idea, and perhaps give it a try in the spring..... Enjoy your beekeeping STeve. it is a source of endless fascination, learning, and plenty of scope for creativity, experimentation - if you have a few hives, you can try something out on one first, and if it works, then try it on more. something that works in one area may not work in another - the climate is crucial! Bees were around 27Million years before man was, so take care of themselves - whilst it is possible to kill a colony, they survive most things! trying this out would not be terminal, and would be very easy to reverse if it proved to be impractical - it may though be difficult to keep control of a colony, and it may end up in a right mess! andy "Steve" wrote in message news:9C98b.1488$ev2.922919@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > I am researching beekeeping in the anticipation of keeping bees in about > a year when I retire to Minnesota. I have no real-life experience yet, > but I'm looking forward to meeting some mentors and learning by doing. > (I currently live in downtown Chicago so at this point I'm limited to > reading.) > > In reading one of Roger Morse's books, I note that he suggests placing > the queen excluder between the two brood chambers instead of immediately > under the honey super. His reasoning is that if the queen is prevented > from laying in the second brood chamber, the bees will fill it with > honey, thus providing better-quality honey for winter. > > This logic makes sense to me, but at this point almost anything makes > sense to me. I'd be interested in how this is usually done in the real > world. > > Thanks, > Steve > From mark@IcanFixYourEmail.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:40 EDT 2003 Article: 36511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: mark@IcanFixYourEmail.com (Mark McWiggins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees putting all honey in brood chamber instead of supers? Date: 21 Sep 2003 19:24:46 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5f17ffc1.0309211824.39d62b05@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.230.94.61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064197487 17224 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2003 02:24:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:24:47 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36511 I'm not a beekeeper but am posting this message for my wife ... Her bees (and apparently lots of others around Puget Sound this year) are refusing to use the honey supers, instead storing all honey down in the brood chambers. She even installed an Imrie shim below the supers, to no effect. Any ideas on why this happens or what could be done to get the bees to use the supers? Thanks. Mark McWiggins mark@IcanFixYourEmail.com 425-369-8286 From Bees@foobox.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:40 EDT 2003 Article: 36512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Steve User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees putting all honey in brood chamber instead of supers? References: <5f17ffc1.0309211824.39d62b05@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: <5f17ffc1.0309211824.39d62b05@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.77.10.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1064229729 ST000 68.77.10.136 (Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:22:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:22:09 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[OUC_[D[JTORTH]OJHNO_PAAB]@PAPDLXUNNH\KMAVNDQUBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:22:09 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36512 No real suggestions, but some questions. Do the supers have drawn comb in them, or foundation? I'm assuming that since this is happening to lots of folks that it's not limited to new beekeepers who are using foundation. How was the nectar flow this year? Mark McWiggins wrote: > I'm not a beekeeper but am posting this message for my wife ... > > Her bees (and apparently lots of others around Puget Sound this year) are > refusing to use the honey supers, instead storing all honey down in the brood > chambers. She even installed an Imrie shim below the supers, to no effect. > > Any ideas on why this happens or what could be done to get the bees to use the > supers? > > Thanks. > > Mark McWiggins > mark@IcanFixYourEmail.com > 425-369-8286 From lazurus106@aol.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:41 EDT 2003 Article: 36513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Sep 2003 13:33:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Viking Mead ? Message-ID: <20030922093316.24345.00001817@mb-m16.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36513 Hi Guys I wrote this for the Meadmakers group so if its not written for anyone who knows there beekeeping. Have any of you folks tried this? Greetings Kinsman, Some folks may remember a mead I did a few years ago. I did a mead by washing my wet honeycomb after extracting honey from my beehives. I used no additional anything except water: no yeast, no additional acid, or yeast nutrient (it was too low a SG). It became a nice light mead (low alcohol 5-6%). But, two weeks later it was vinegar. A thoroughly nice vinegar -- nothing you'd want to drink strait. Obviously it also had Acetobacteria in it. It fermented with the naturally occurring yeast and had the normal levels of pollen and ect. found in a normal hive (without brood, basically baby bees). So today I took my 18 gallons of honey-wet wax after extracting my honey. I let the wax drip out over night on a screen to get out the last of the pure honey. Then I washed the the beeswax, honey,and various bee bits from the cappings (everything taken off the front of the honey comb to be able to extract the honey.) The washing gave enough honey to make 15 gallons of 22 brix (that's about 1,125 specific gravity for the brix challenged) must. I have it in two 6 gallon and a 3 gallon carboy. I will see if it turns out as well as the first batch and if it will produce high enough alcohol to self-store . First there will have to be enough yeast to get it going (the first time it was pretty quick.) Next l hope it will be as tasty as the first batch was before it went to vinegar. Perhaps part of the reason we have such a hard time figuring out an actual period Viking recipee for mead was because it was too simple. You take honey comb crush it in a barrel of spring water untill its sweet enough. Then wait two weeks till the Jarls feast and drink till you can commune with the gods. Sounds like fun?? Cheers, Dave in Madison, WI AKA Cnut Ragnarsson in the SCA From bamboo@localnet.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:41 EDT 2003 Article: 36514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees putting all honey in brood chamber instead of supers? Date: 22 Sep 2003 07:30:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309220630.33c66ad7@posting.google.com> References: <5f17ffc1.0309211824.39d62b05@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.69.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064241037 1398 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2003 14:30:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2003 14:30:37 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36514 mark@IcanFixYourEmail.com (Mark McWiggins) wrote in message news:<5f17ffc1.0309211824.39d62b05@posting.google.com>... > I'm not a beekeeper but am posting this message for my wife ... > > Her bees (and apparently lots of others around Puget Sound this year) are > refusing to use the honey supers, instead storing all honey down in the brood > chambers. She even installed an Imrie shim below the supers, to no effect. > > Any ideas on why this happens or what could be done to get the bees to use the > supers? > > Thanks. > > Mark McWiggins > mark@IcanFixYourEmail.com > 425-369-8286 Put a super between the brood chambers to get them started ( during a flow) and then move it above. From bamboo@localnet.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:41 EDT 2003 Article: 36515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on placement of queen excluder Date: 22 Sep 2003 07:33:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0309220633.198a2b0f@posting.google.com> References: <9C98b.1488$ev2.922919@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.69.77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064241221 1567 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2003 14:33:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2003 14:33:41 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36515 > > In reading one of Roger Morse's books, I note that he suggests placing > the queen excluder between the two brood chambers instead of immediately > under the honey super. His reasoning is that if the queen is prevented > from laying in the second brood chamber, the bees will fill it with > honey, thus providing better-quality honey for winter. > > This logic makes sense to me, but at this point almost anything makes > sense to me. I'd be interested in how this is usually done in the real > world. > > Thanks, > Steve I can't get my bees to read Rogers book. I had a real battle getting them to read the Hive and the Honeybee. IMO queen excluders make a good place to drain cappings. I suppose if you were producing comb honey you might want one. From tarheit@wcoil.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:42 EDT 2003 Article: 36516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Viking Mead ? Date: 22 Sep 2003 19:51:00 GMT Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <20030922093316.24345.00001817@mb-m16.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.127 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36516 On 22 Sep 2003 13:33:16 GMT, lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) wrote: >Hi Guys I wrote this for the Meadmakers group so if its not written for anyone >who knows there beekeeping. Have any of you folks tried this? Sort of. After my cappings have drained I have washed them and saved the wash water letting it ferment. But I used it for catching yellowjackets. A milk jug 1/4 full of the fermented stuff worked well. Maybe I'll try it sometime. -Tim > > >Greetings Kinsman, >Some folks may remember a mead I did a few years ago. I did a mead by washing >my wet honeycomb after extracting honey from my beehives. > I used no additional anything except water: no yeast, no additional acid, or >yeast nutrient (it was too low a SG). It became a nice light mead (low alcohol >5-6%). But, two weeks later it was vinegar. A thoroughly nice vinegar -- >nothing you'd want to drink strait. Obviously it also had Acetobacteria in it. > It fermented with the naturally occurring yeast and had the normal levels of >pollen and ect. found in a normal hive (without brood, basically baby bees). >So today I took my 18 gallons of honey-wet wax after extracting my honey. I >let the wax drip out over night on a screen to get out the last of the pure >honey. Then I washed the the beeswax, honey,and various bee bits from the >cappings (everything taken off the front of the honey comb to be able to >extract the honey.) The washing gave enough honey to make 15 gallons of 22 >brix (that's about 1,125 specific gravity for the brix challenged) must. I >have it in two 6 gallon and a 3 gallon carboy. > I will see if it turns out as well as the first batch and if it will produce >high enough alcohol to self-store . First there will have to be enough yeast to >get it going (the first time it was pretty quick.) Next l hope it will be as >tasty as the first batch was before it went to vinegar. >Perhaps part of the reason we have such a hard time figuring out an actual >period Viking recipee for mead was because it was too simple. You take honey >comb crush it in a barrel of spring water untill its sweet enough. Then wait >two weeks till the Jarls feast and drink till you can commune with the gods. >Sounds like fun?? >Cheers, >Dave in Madison, WI >AKA Cnut Ragnarsson in the SCA From ldq1@fsmail.net Wed Sep 24 11:01:42 EDT 2003 Article: 36517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: ldq1@fsmail.net (Lester Quayle) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on placement of queen excluder Date: 22 Sep 2003 12:52:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <9C98b.1488$ev2.922919@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com> <23e8adb1.0309220633.198a2b0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.195.244.66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064260329 25094 127.0.0.1 (22 Sep 2003 19:52:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 2003 19:52:09 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36517 Battles between the pro and anti QX users will rival those between religious and political fanatics. Many beekeepers have two views on the ways of doing anything. There is 'My way' and the wrong way. France Albert was obviously a beekeeper. In the UK QXs are universally used. Small brood boxes , short season and small supers mean that without QXs you get brood everywhere in the supers. Yes they can cramp the q laying but you can always swap brood frames, take out full ones and give to slower colonies. Some people who don't advocate QXs believe as your book seems to suggest that queens will naturally stop at a honey arch over the brood and not pass to lay eggs. I have tried this and unfortunately as the other contributor says, getting bees to read the book that says this is a chore. Good luck and make up your own mind with experience Lester From andypedley@fish{spambust}.co.uk Wed Sep 24 11:01:42 EDT 2003 Article: 36518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!lnewsoutpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsinpeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Andy Pedley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Questions.... is beekeeping a dying art? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:02:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3f70d0ed$0$264$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-86-148-78.dsl.pipex.com X-Trace: 1064358125 news.dial.pipex.com 264 81.86.148.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36518 Here in the UK there seems to be something of a resurgence - our association has been running courses and there is considerable interest - trained 20 beekeepers last year, most of whom have persisted enthusiastically, and some are moving home, and learned beekeeping in anticipation of their moves (varioiusly to Scotland, Devon and Australia!). I guess that if people are encouraged, and given the opportunity, there is interest (fascination, even). Honey is only part of the benefit; intangiable to the beekeeper, but essential to the farmer, and the world economy, is pollination .... and bees are about as good as anything gets at pollination! there is an estimate that each hive is worth about £700 (seven hundred Great British Pounds) in the improvement in the crop as a consequence of the pollination that it provides. In the EU (European Union) it is reckoned to be Billions of Euros that bees contribute to the economy - so pollination far outweighs the value of the honey they produce. of course the beekeeper does not usually benefit directly (although some move hives to provide a pollination service and an agreed payment is made by the farmer to the beekeeper for the service) so it is a bit easy to forget. Beekeeping in the UK has a devoted following, and there are many other spin offs - equipment, and traditional crafts are all conserved though it too. wrote in message news:6212645b4cc390d92e2111b7260297f8@news.teranews.com... > I was talking with my girlfriend last night and she said that she saw > a story in the newspaper that said that beekeeping is a dying art. > That many yong people have no interest, and that as the old timers die > off there are less and less people keeping bees. She also said that > the story stated that an industrious bee keeper could get up to100 > pounds of honey a year. > > I said that sounded very wrong. I have been reading this group > casually for a while as I have been thinking about raising bees (one > hive, just to watch them, I really dont have much need for honey > myself..) but I was under the impressiont hat at least a few of the > people on the list where full tiem bee keepers. Is this correct? > Does anybody make a full time living at this, or is it just a big > cottage industry? Also, I seem to recall reading that people where > getting many pounds of honey out of one hive. Could that 100 pound > figure be misquoted, could that be a per hive number? > > Thanks for any insight! > > --Matthew > > > From Bees@foobox.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:43 EDT 2003 Article: 36519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.115.63.142!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Steve User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Boardman feeder plus jar feeder? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.77.17.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1064358813 ST000 68.77.17.119 (Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:13:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:13:33 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OP]WRY_D\RUYBFLYCJJ@^RDBPR\VPBQLGPQRZQ]KEYUNDQUCCNSUAACY@L[ZX__HGFD]JBJNSFXTOOGA_VWY^_HG@FW_HUTHOH]TBPGCO\P^PLP^@[GLHUK@WLECKFVL^TYG[@RMWQXIWM[SDDYWNLG_G[_BWUCHFY_Y@AS@Q[B\APPF@DCZM_PG_VSCPQZM Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:13:33 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36519 After discovering that the topic of queen excluders is a religious issue is the beekeeping community, and enjoying all the followups to my question on that topic, here's another question which comes from having no real-world beekeeping experience and reading lots of books, trying to get ready to have some experience so I can decide for myself. One of the books recommends using both a Boardman feeder at the hive entrance and ALSO an inverted jar feeder under an extra hive body placed above the brood chamber. Other books are negative on using the Boardman feeder. But I really don't understand the need for both at the same time. So, can I see some opinions on the religious issue of feeding bees? From andypedley@fish{spambust}.co.uk Wed Sep 24 11:01:43 EDT 2003 Article: 36520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!195.129.110.21.MISMATCH!bnewsfeed00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsinpeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsinpeer01.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Andy Pedley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:22:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-86-148-78.dsl.pipex.com X-Trace: 1064359385 news.dial.pipex.com 262 81.86.148.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36520 I think that Ragwort is the only "Weed" prescribed in the UK Weed Act, and it is in fact obligatory for farmers to kill it; you should therefore not have any significant ragwort growing near you. Horses presumably eat the whole plant leaves/ stem etc., Is the toxin in either the nectar or the pollen? If not, then the honey will not be toxic (even if disgusting!). There are many toxic plants out there - Belladonna (toxic berries), and laburnum (toxic seeds) etc. . and I do not know of any problem with honey from them. "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:bj2rd4$sl7$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Steve Newport" asked: > > Does anybody know if the honey from Ragwort is a problem? There are a > > couple of people locally that have hives near a lot of Ragwort. > > Yes - it gives a very bitter, waxy-tasting honey. This is caused by the > presence of pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs) which are very toxic. However, > MAFF have concluded that this is not a problem as the honey would be > inedible if it had sufficient PAs to be a danger to human health (sound > familiar?). > -- > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > From alanzen@nohostinvalid.com Wed Sep 24 11:01:43 EDT 2003 Article: 36521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alanzen Subject: Re: Boardman feeder plus jar feeder? User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:41:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.74.154.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1064378496 67.74.154.203 (Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:41:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:41:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36521 On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:13:33 +0000, Steve wrote: > SNIP > > One of the books recommends using both a Boardman feeder at the hive > entrance and ALSO an inverted jar feeder under an extra hive body placed > above the brood chamber. Other books are negative on using the Boardman > feeder. But I really don't understand the need for both at the same time. > > So, can I see some opinions on the religious issue of feeding bees? Locally, feeding is discouraged unless absolutely necessary. We have a short winter season here in Texas, though. One thing which is absoulutely a bad idea is a feeder at the hive entrance[religious opinion as requested :-)] because this will encourage robbing if the hive is not very strong. We are more likely to have to feed during drought than cold, and any stray foragers will readily find a boardman type feeder and call for backup! The best feeding method I've used is to put your syrup in a one-gallon ziplock bag. Make a feeding spacer by cutting a few supers into two-inch high boxes and place one on top of the uppermost super. Lay the full bag flat across the frames, and make five or six seven-inch long parallel slices in the bag with a razor blade. Put your cover back on and check as needed. Don't worry about spillage when removing the old bags, as the bees will quickly clean up for you. Assuming your top cover has escape proof ventilation, no outsiders will be able to get to the feeder without going through the entire hive unchallenged. Alan S. From neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 28 08:40:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk (Neil Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: 24 Sep 2003 10:03:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.105.224.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064423011 20749 127.0.0.1 (24 Sep 2003 17:03:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:03:31 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36522 "Andy Pedley" wrote in message news:<3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>... > I think that Ragwort is the only "Weed" prescribed in the UK Weed Act, and > it is in fact obligatory for farmers to kill it; you should therefore not > have any significant ragwort growing near you. Neither of these statements is correct. It is not the only weed listed under the Weeds Act. The Weeds Act is a piece of legislation that enables the government to order landowners to act on certain weeds IF they are a problem. There is no obligation on the government to do anything and there is no obligation for any landowner to do anything if they are not ordered to do so. > > Horses presumably eat the whole plant leaves/ stem etc., Is the toxin in > either the nectar or the pollen? If not, then the honey will not be toxic > (even if disgusting!). There are many toxic plants out there - Belladonna > (toxic berries), and laburnum (toxic seeds) etc. . and I do not know of any > problem with honey from them. There is a lot of hype over ragwort. Yes, the toxin can be present in small quantities in the nectar but it isn't a particularly strong toxin. To put it in context there is an example in the scientific literature of a horse being deliberately fed over 20% of its body weight in dried ragwort and surviving. For more information see http://www.ragwortfacts.com/ -- Neil Jones- Neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.butterflyguy.com/ "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog National Nature Reserve From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 28 08:40:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:40:56 +0100 Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.182.204 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1064424160 20536 217.135.182.204 (24 Sep 2003 17:22:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:22:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36523 Andy It is not quite that simple! Ragwort may be proscribed under the Act, but the acreage is increasing rapidly and not just on farms - many councils are not clearing it from roadside verges - and there seems to be little inclination to enforce the Act. Have a look at www.ragwort-uk.com. Honey obtained solely from Ragwort is undoubtedly harmful. What DEFRA are saying is that it would be inedible due to its bitterness; when diluted with honey from other sources to the point where it is edible, then they do not consider that it would be a problem (unless you eat large amounts of honey presumably!). -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Andy Pedley" wrote in message news:3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com... > I think that Ragwort is the only "Weed" prescribed in the UK Weed Act, and > it is in fact obligatory for farmers to kill it; you should therefore not > have any significant ragwort growing near you. > > Horses presumably eat the whole plant leaves/ stem etc., Is the toxin in > either the nectar or the pollen? If not, then the honey will not be toxic > (even if disgusting!). There are many toxic plants out there - Belladonna > (toxic berries), and laburnum (toxic seeds) etc. . and I do not know of any > problem with honey from them. > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:bj2rd4$sl7$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > "Steve Newport" asked: > > > Does anybody know if the honey from Ragwort is a problem? There are a > > > couple of people locally that have hives near a lot of Ragwort. > > > > Yes - it gives a very bitter, waxy-tasting honey. This is caused by the > > presence of pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs) which are very toxic. However, > > MAFF have concluded that this is not a problem as the honey would be > > inedible if it had sufficient PAs to be a danger to human health (sound > > familiar?). > > -- > > Peter Edwards > > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > > > > From natkrit1ps@ont.com Sun Sep 28 08:40:03 EDT 2003 Article: 36524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Farris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Viking Mead ? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:04:21 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20030922093316.24345.00001817@mb-m16.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36524 The technique you described is what makes mead, probably the oldest alcoholic drink. Certainly predating beer and most likely even wine, since all it takes is some rain water falling into a pot of honey eight thousand years ago and pretty much: poof!....you have an alcoholic drink. --- The main problem is that "modern" mead making requires that a tasty formula be "repeatable" - so others can make it and get the same tasting results. And certainly the technique you described doesn't allow for that (unless it's by shear accident). Undoubtly, if you're talking about the mead halls of Beowulf fame, that's how they made mead in the AD 600s (since they had very little understanding of the importance of yeast in the fermentation process). We also have many and varied strains of yeast identified today and thus, taste results can be readily duplicated. Leaving it to 'chance' as to what type of yeast happens to plop down to do the fermenting will certainly make your mead a surprise each and every time (sometimes pleasant and often times, not so pleasant). From neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 28 08:40:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk (Neil Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: 26 Sep 2003 08:32:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.105.224.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064590368 31575 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2003 15:32:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 2003 15:32:48 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36525 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > Andy > > It is not quite that simple! > > Ragwort may be proscribed under the Act, but the acreage is increasing > rapidly and not just on farms - many councils are not clearing it from > roadside verges - and there seems to be little inclination to enforce the > Act. Have a look at www.ragwort-uk.com. > That website contains a whole number of innacuracies. There is no real evidence that ragwort is more abundant now than it has ever been. The site has been set up to promote the business of selling Cinnabar moths. It claims that the cinnabar moth has had a population crash as the justification for selling them. This is completely false. Neil Jones- Neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.butterflyguy.com/ "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog National Nature Reserve From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 28 08:40:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:46:52 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1064598529 15857 194.222.100.90 (26 Sep 2003 17:48:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-U () Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36526 In article <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Andy Pedley writes >I think that Ragwort is the only "Weed" prescribed in the UK Weed Act, and >it is in fact obligatory for farmers to kill it; you should therefore not >have any significant ragwort growing near you. You must be kidding. Their are fields and fields of the stuff, especially on poorer pasture. Have seen some fields actually predominantly yellow with the stuff. Not an enforced rule to any extent, and they get round it by saying it is Tansy (not with petals it aint!). It was being uprooted by contractors on council land near us (E.Scotland) a few weeks ago. I believe Giant Hogweed is also on the noxious weeds list. The honey stinks, somewhere between an old French cheese skin and the musty smell of Italian salami. Its taste is not much better. I bought a pail for my curiosities corner from an old beekeeper a couple of years ago and still have most of it. The honey is not toxic (at least in moderate amounts) but not nice either. If you are familiar with dandelion honey it is like that but MUCH stronger. >There are many toxic plants out there - Belladonna >(toxic berries), and laburnum (toxic seeds) etc. . and I do not know of any >problem with honey from them. I've never heard of there being enough of them in one place for a harvest either. Only one I have seen bees work to any great extent is Snowberry. Murray -- Murray McGregor From steven.turner@zbee.com Sun Sep 28 08:40:04 EDT 2003 Article: 36527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Lines: 29 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis-UK Newsletter Message-ID: <1064684951.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:49:11 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1064685036 195.157.220.2 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:50:36 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:50:36 BST Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36527 Dear Beekeepers, The September issue can now be downloaded in the usual HTML format Apis-Uk September issue No.17 prints to 21 sides of A4. Contents: Editorial; Beekeeping news; Bee press; Articles: Natural Ways of Improving Varroa Containment (part 4) Ian Rumsey; Feeding Honeybees John Yates; The Bees at the Horniman Museum Peter Springall; Mite resistance Max Watkins; Poem of the month: A Flight of a Bee Veroljub Vukašinovic; Factfile: Attracting honeybee swarms; Honey recipe: Andalucian; Historical note: Drowning bees; Letters: David Yale, Keith Hooker; John Carlisle; Beekeeping courses 2004; Diary of events. Total D/L. 213KB. http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newsletters/apis-uk0903.htm Copy and paste the above URL in the address bar of Internet Explorer or click on the above link (while connected to the Internet). Apis-UK is a FREE online magazine for the benefit of all beekeepers supported by its readership. The Apis-UK announcement mailing list has 589 subscribers. We hope you enjoy reading this issue. All comments to the editor David Cramp Regards Steven Turner (web editor) ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. From beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 28 08:40:05 EDT 2003 Article: 36528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!63.218.45.10.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Honey Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:38:22 +0100 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.205.99 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1064698730 18647 217.135.205.99 (27 Sep 2003 21:38:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Sep 2003 21:38:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36528 Thanks Murray, I could not have put it better! I certainly see whole fields of it around this area and also see it all the way to Yorkshire when we go to the heather. Certainly far, far more of it than when I started beekeeping. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Murray McGregor" wrote in message news:Tjz9LsEMuHd$EwdK@denrosa.demon.co.uk... > In article <3f70d5d9$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Andy Pedley > writes > >I think that Ragwort is the only "Weed" prescribed in the UK Weed Act, and > >it is in fact obligatory for farmers to kill it; you should therefore not > >have any significant ragwort growing near you. > > You must be kidding. Their are fields and fields of the stuff, > especially on poorer pasture. Have seen some fields actually > predominantly yellow with the stuff. > > Not an enforced rule to any extent, and they get round it by saying it > is Tansy (not with petals it aint!). It was being uprooted by > contractors on council land near us (E.Scotland) a few weeks ago. > > I believe Giant Hogweed is also on the noxious weeds list. > > The honey stinks, somewhere between an old French cheese skin and the > musty smell of Italian salami. Its taste is not much better. I bought a > pail for my curiosities corner from an old beekeeper a couple of years > ago and still have most of it. The honey is not toxic (at least in > moderate amounts) but not nice either. If you are familiar with > dandelion honey it is like that but MUCH stronger. > > >There are many toxic plants out there - Belladonna > >(toxic berries), and laburnum (toxic seeds) etc. . and I do not know of any > >problem with honey from them. > > I've never heard of there being enough of them in one place for a > harvest either. Only one I have seen bees work to any great extent is > Snowberry. > > Murray > -- > Murray McGregor From paintbal@fundy.net Mon Sep 29 06:57:37 EDT 2003 Article: 36529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey extractor Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:38:15 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36529 Have a Jones motorized 4 frame with reversible baskets for sale.Will consider trades if someone is looking to upgrade. Price $450 Canadian. New Brunswick , Canada From paintbal@fundy.net Mon Sep 29 06:57:38 EDT 2003 Article: 36530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping equipment Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:23:21 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36530 posted on ebay smoker , extractor and uncapping knife.If interested email me From vision108NOSPAM@yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 06:12:16 EDT 2003 Article: 36531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!r12-34.intnet.MU!not-for-mail From: HoneyB Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Banned Honey?? Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:55:19 +0400 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: r12-34.intnet.mu (202.123.12.34) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1064865277 10399090 202.123.12.34 (16 [178757]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36531 I have heard that Honey from China, Argentina and Indian have been banned onthe international market because they contain some chmical residues. Is that true? And if yes anyone can direct me to a web site with these details? Does WHO (Wold Health Organisation) publised anything on the ban? Many thanks for your replies. From Someone@aol.com Wed Oct 1 06:12:17 EDT 2003 Article: 36532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F7968A8.8070607@aol.com> From: Someone User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.77.29.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1064921162 ST000 68.77.29.11 (Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:26:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:26:02 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSGWWOEZRUABQ\YNKK^_T\B\JYL@DHLLBWLOOAF@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:26:02 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36532 Try a Google search. I found some articles that indicated problems with honey from China. One article, at http://www.globalpolicy.org/globaliz/econ/2002/0305honey.htm indicates that the Bush administration, which has criticized Argentina for not competing on the world market, has established a huge tariff on Argentinian honey which effectively precludes any import into the US. HoneyB wrote: > I have heard that Honey from China, Argentina and Indian have been > banned onthe international market because they contain some chmical > residues. Is that true? And if yes anyone can direct me to a web site > with these details? Does WHO (Wold Health Organisation) publised > anything on the ban? > > Many thanks for your replies. From islapro@islapro.com Wed Oct 1 06:12:17 EDT 2003 Article: 36533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!nsnmrro1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banned Honey?? Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:44:31 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <263hnv8q8plgacpjs6cdsr64dh64b25l34@4ax.com> <3F7968A8.8070607@aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.151.78.222 X-Trace: news.ya.com 1064933073 8017 62.151.78.222 (30 Sep 2003 14:44:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:44:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36533 Old news, I read the argentinian beekeeping magaznes and everything is back to normal. On the other hand theUSDA is checking on chinese honey for contamination. Best wishes from Mallorca, Jose Matas. "Someone" escribió en el mensaje news:3F7968A8.8070607@aol.com... > Try a Google search. I found some articles that indicated problems with > honey from China. One article, at > http://www.globalpolicy.org/globaliz/econ/2002/0305honey.htm indicates > that the Bush administration, which has criticized Argentina for not > competing on the world market, has established a huge tariff on > Argentinian honey which effectively precludes any import into the US. > > HoneyB wrote: > > I have heard that Honey from China, Argentina and Indian have been > > banned onthe international market because they contain some chmical > > residues. Is that true? And if yes anyone can direct me to a web site > > with these details? Does WHO (Wold Health Organisation) publised > > anything on the ban? > > > > Many thanks for your replies. >