Article 9543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Gatorgold@pdq.net (Len & Lisa Davis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Help? Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:14:58 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <340e34d8.5679523@news.pdq.net> Reply-To: Gatorgold@pdq.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 18714@206.24.83.165 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9543 Looking to help any beekeeper in the Houston area to learn beekeeping. Not looking for pay, just want to help out as much as I can and learn how to keep bees. I have read lots of books but want some hands on before I keep my own bees. Looking forward to hearing from someone. Article 9544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Gatorgold@pdq.net (Len & Lisa Davis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Free Help? Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:19:03 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <340e36a9.6144335@news.pdq.net> Reply-To: Gatorgold@pdq.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 18714@206.24.83.165 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9544 Looking to help any beekeeper in the Houston area to learn beekeeping. Not looking for pay, just want to help out as much as I can and learn how to keep bees. I have read lots of books but want some hands on before I keep my own bees. Looking forward to hearing from someone. Article 9545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: 4 Sep 1997 04:16:04 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5ulcm4$bfo$1@barad-dur.nas.com> References: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-d40.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.79.239.13!news.ior.com!cnn.isc-br.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9545 In article <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) says: > >I am a first year bee keeper in Western PA. Anyone have plans/directions >for an inexpensive way to extract and process the honey from about a dozen >supers? thanks Last year my wife and I rented a hand cranked extractor and hot knife for one day for $15 and did it in the kitchen. No regrets. John Article 9546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 06:55:49 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <873356149snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9546 In article <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> jcrespi@capaccess.org writes: > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. One handy way is to simply swop their positions ! -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees moved or died Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:43:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 21 Message-ID: <340E66BD.66AD@nt.com> References: <873221108.1321@dejanews.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9547 etsandy@ghg.net wrote: > > I had a bee hive for only a few months. I came back from vacation and > found them gone. Not sure if they died or just moved on. I was using the > bees for bee venon therapy. I have MS. I bought a bee hive from a bee > keeper in the area (Houston TX). The bee keeper has lost several hives to > mites. They were in a wooden inclosure. My sprinkler system was hitting > them every morning. I might have gotten them too wet. I need to know > what the problem was before getting another hive. Any suggestions would > be greatly appreciated. Sandy (etsandy@ghg.net) > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I had 2 hives abscond last year and put this down to late treatment of varroa. Did you monitor and/or treat your hive for varroa? -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.cis.okstate.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.kanren.net!usenet From: Cheryl Alvarado Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moths in active hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:45:30 -0500 Organization: Emporia State University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> Reply-To: alvaradc@vmpop.emporia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cats1765mt.emporia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9548 I just peeked inside my hive, and noticed that wax moths have apparently taken over. There are cocoons along the top and bottom bars of the frames, and wax moth larvae actively gnawing at the wax. Do wax moths normally invade hives that are inhabited? I thought they were only a problem in stored frames. Granted, my colony is weak. It was a new package this spring, and due to a freak blurb of nature, I had to hive them in below-freezing, windy weather and lost quite a few. They just haven't taken off like I hoped they would. (my first hive) What should I do about the wax moths? The only thing I can think of is to scrape and pick them off the frames. Article 9549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer, Jr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moths in active hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:43:18 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5umvfa$91d@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.188.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9549 Cheryl Alvarado wrote: > > I just peeked inside my hive, and noticed that wax moths have apparently > taken over. There are cocoons along the top and bottom bars of the > frames, and wax moth larvae actively gnawing at the wax. > > Do wax moths normally invade hives that are inhabited? I thought they > were only a problem in stored frames. Granted, my colony is weak. It > was a new package this spring, and due to a freak blurb of nature, I had > to hive them in below-freezing, windy weather and lost quite a few. > They just haven't taken off like I hoped they would. (my first hive) > > What should I do about the wax moths? The only thing I can think of is > to scrape and pick them off the frames. Wax moths are very opportunistic. Typically they are kept in check by a strong colony. A weak colony cannot defend against this pest. The first step is to reduce the hive capacity that your bees have to defend. If you have supers, remove them. If your brood area is 2 deeps, reduce it to 1 (it is unlikely that both of the deeps will have brood in a weak colony, the bottom one will likely be empty). Tape up any ventilation holes you may have and unless a large entrance is needed because of late summer heat, reduce it. Finally, clean up what you can by picking off the cocoons and larvae. You will have to do this often to break the reproductive cycle of the moth. The bottom board is a favorite hangout for young larvae that have just hatched. If you have been watching around your hive you have probably seen the little gray moths settled on the outside of your hive. These are adults that have just emerged from your hive. Get them before depart for mating because the females will return to lay her eggs. Anything you removed in the way of frames can go into the freezer for several days. Don't despair. Wax moths are very rapid in their destruction. Last year on lost 7 of 18 brood frames in my hive to wax moth damage in the matter of days. This hive came back this year stronger than it has ever been and I have not seen any evidence of wax moths. Article 9550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moths in active hive Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 19:04:28 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <873399868snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9550 In article <340EC98A.23B1@esumail.emporia.edu> alvaradc@vmpop.emporia.edu "Cheryl Alvarado" writes: > Do wax moths normally invade hives that are inhabited? I thought they > were only a problem in stored frames. Granted, my colony is weak. It > was a new package this spring, and due to a freak blurb of nature, I had Hmmmmm, something wrong here. Have you checked for a laying queen ? Have you tested for various diseases ? I'd be highly suspicious. A colony that can't even clean up wax moth has to have something wrong. You might need to petrol them and start again :-( -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.232.147.119!news.pilot.net!news2.pilot.net!clorox.news.pilot.net!not-for-mail From: RICK SUK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: silkworms Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:21:42 -0700 Organization: The Clorox Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <340F2666.5568@clorox.com> References: <01bcb84d.593b91c0$25e737cb@mbeeson> NNTP-Posting-Host: unknown-68-12.clorox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [e]C (Win95; U) To: Bullcreek Amcal Chemist Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9551 Bullcreek Amcal Chemist wrote: > > Hi, > you guys appear the only ones able to lead me on the path to find new food > for my kids silkworms.Toby ,Matts and Jay have a gaggle of them and the > mulberry trees are very scarce at the moment in Fremantle,West Australia. > Where can I find info on what to feed the little fellows-any help much > appreciated > Yours > Mark - for Toby,Matt,Jay. I'd be surprised if you get much from beekeepers about silkworms. You might try: sci.bio.entomology.misc Article 9552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jcmurray@mindspring.com (Jonathan C. Murray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cool Website Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:34:02 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5undet$43l@camel2.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jcmurray@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbu48.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 4 Sep 1997 22:41:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9552 Please take the time to look at my web page. http://www.mindspring.com/~jcmurray/Honeybee.htm Article 9553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Mites, Wasps, Hornets Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9709041759242546@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9553 *Passed on from the BEE-List very interesting to all...If you have similar observations please post them here and send them to Dr. Jerry. ---------------------------------------- From: Jerry J Bromenshenk To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:59:50 -0600 Subject: Varroa Mites, Wasps, Hornets We seem to be having a bumper crop of Vespids in Montana, probably as a result of the 100 inches of snow that insulated the ground and kept it from freezing last year, followed by a moist spring with lots of growth and lots of insects. We also seem to be having a more or less varroa free year in Missoula, Montana. We intentionally keep some varroa infested hives for our research, but no sign of the beasts. Nor have we seen any in our hives in Maryland. Lots of Bee List folks are reporting no mites - but we thought the same about tracheal mites a few years ago and then found that we were wrong. I'd be interested in reports of areas where varroa has been a problem this year. Are the successes of the various treatments due to the treatment or just an artifact of a natural cycling in the varroa populations. For those of you trying variuos treatments, are you seeing mites in your untreated controls? Thanks Jerry Bromenshenk --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 9554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Barb Hyde Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites and africanized bees Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:36:03 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 2 Message-ID: <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: b&bhedy@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tul-ok7-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 04 8:47:53 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9554 Just a curious question: Do the varroa mites and the tracheal mites also attack African or africanized bees? Or are they able to resist? Article 9555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and africanized bees Date: 5 Sep 1997 01:55:45 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bcb99e$c6d43aa0$8686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 04 8:55:45 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9555 Barb Hyde wrote in article <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com>... | Just a curious question: Do the varroa mites and the tracheal mites also | attack African or africanized bees? Or are they able to resist? Varroa mites do attack AHB. AHB is reputed to display some resistance. However environmental influences lowering mite fecundity in tropical climates likely accounts for most of the alleged resistance in those tropical climes. As to tracheal mites someone else will have to answer that one. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Help on collecting a Swarm Message-ID: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:01:07 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9556 Hello: Can anyone help me on how to collect a swarm inside Barn Siding, I think there is a Queen inside, I was told they come back to the same spot every year. I already have one small colony on the property. P.S can I vacumm them as they fly in to the panel ? , buy a queen ?, I do have a 10 frame super, with drawn comb ? I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, I hate to see them die off, any help on collecting them would be great. And the process to make a Colony out of them ? Thank You. BobK, in West Chester, Pa Article 9557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: 5 Sep 1997 02:11:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 54 Message-ID: <01bcb9a0$eb52a860$8686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> <873356149snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 04 9:11:04 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9557 joe mc cool wrote in article <873356149snz@benburb.demon.co.uk>... | In article <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> jcrespi@capaccess.org writes: | | > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. | > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. | > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. | | One handy way is to simply swap their positions ! Swapping positions of weak and strong colonies will indeed give you an instant boost in number of foragers in the weaker unit. If the queen is the problem it will not be long before the problem recurs however. If a disease is the problem the foragers from the weak hive that now have gone into the strong hive (on the weak hives previous location) may well set that colony up with the disease as well. So first check for disease. If none is present then the swap could be made. If you cannot kill the queen for religious reasons perhaps you could just remove her to a fine grassy knoll several miles distant and let Nature do what she will with her. If that too is a non-option then I would suggest an attempt at "forced supersedure" - that is planting a ripe queen cell or two in cell protectors in the weak colony DURING a flow (hopefully a real one - if not create your own artificial one via feeding temporarily). Results vary but with older queens forced supersedure during a flow can yield 60-80% getting requeened simply by dropping in a protected queen cell during a flow. I don't know where the original poster lives but up here it would IMO be considered "too late" to save a seriously weakened colony (it is early Sept and last night the temps where in the low 40's). Instead any we find like that get combined with stronger units (after insuring disease was not the cause of the weakness). "Take your losses in the Fall" remains good advice. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Lost my Posted message Message-ID: <01bcb9ce$2d417f80$a7952399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:34:03 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9558 Does anyone know why I lost my posted message ? Thanks Article 9559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Help Message-ID: <01bcb9cf$78239d20$a7952399@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:43:18 -0700 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9559 Why did I lose my posted Messsage Thanks Article 9561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!clear.net.nz!d2-u9.wgtn.clear.net.nz!user From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:47:46 +1200 Organization: infrequently Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d2-u9.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9561 A while ago this seemed to be a no-no - syrup was the only way to go. What is the current thinking on this? -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 9562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almost new honey extractor for sale Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 08:42:10 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <17BDF7A62S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9562 I'm posting this for a friend who has no electronic access. If interested, E-Mail to me your name and phone number and I will pass it on. 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Article 9563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!paperboy01.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: 5 Sep 1997 12:09:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 90 Message-ID: <01bcb9f4$7e4a7960$b56ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-53.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 05 5:09:25 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9563 user@msn.com wrote in article <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default>... | Hello: | Can anyone help me on how to collect a swarm inside Barn Siding, the process has been posted here very recently - might wanna check the archives or even run a search at http://dejanews.com | I think there is a Queen inside, I was told they come back to the same spot | every year. honeybees stay year round - so if I understood your implication you were misinformed - one of them urban legends I suspect I already have one small colony on the property. P.S can I | vacumm them as they fly in to the panel ? if you vacumm them through a corrugated vacuum hose they will die >, buy a queen ?, the queen needs at least 2 or 3 lbs. of workers as "support staff" EARLY in the Spring to have a decent shot at it - packages of bees with a mated queen are sold by MANY southern beekeepers - check the ads in "American Bee Journal" or "Bee Culture" which you can likely find at least on microfilm via your public library system - or ask a local beekeeper I do have a 10 | frame super, with drawn comb ? | | I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, IMO it is too late - that does not mean it is impossible only that IMO the extraordinary efforts to make it have a shot at success at this late date are not worth it I hate to see | them die off, any help on collecting them would be great. Nature ruthlessly eliminates the unfit - sometimes we are not doing them nor ourselves any favors by saving them (though sometimes it is a good plan - knowing the difference is the tricky part) | And the process to make a Colony out of them ? They are a colony already. A parting thought - what color are they? Did you just notice them or have they been there since Spring? Why? this time of year nearly every "we have bees in our siding - what do we do?" query we recieve here is wasps not any type of bee at all. And yep the folks often tell us "I'm sure they are honeybees" sometimes even folks that have a yard of our bees tell us "they look just like your bees" and then when we look at 'em it is quite obvious they are bright yellow and bright black - some sort of vespid not a bee at all. Wasps are reaching peak population and simultaneously running short of food now so they become LOTS more obvious in the late Summer/early Fall. Honeybees normally swarm mid-Spring to very early Summer and would have been more likely to have been noticed months ago rather than now. So what color are the critters and can you see them as fuzzy (dull colors) or bald appearing (bright colors) to the naked eye? That would be a good starting point IMO. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in hive Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:19:44 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 17 Message-ID: <340FC0A0.5EBC@nt.com> References: <01bcb83d$59151140$f9a72299@default> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9564 Ronald Schimes wrote: > > Hoping someone can help, I have a bee hive that has large ants in it. > I'm sure their eating a lot of the honey, how do I get rid of them? > > Thanks, > Ron Schimes > jukeman@msn.com Put the hive on a stand whose legs are inside something containg oil, old car engine oil is OK but messy. Used vegetable/pet food cans are suitable containers. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:25:57 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <340FC215.3FF9@nt.com> References: <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ulcm4$bfo$1@barad-dur.nas.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9565 John or Sonja Hoxeng wrote: > > In article <19970831153500.LAA05518@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) says: > > > >I am a first year bee keeper in Western PA. Anyone have plans/directions > >for an inexpensive way to extract and process the honey from about a dozen > >supers? thanks > > Last year my wife and I rented a hand cranked extractor and hot > knife for one day for $15 and did it in the kitchen. No regrets. > John Last night I extracted the last of my 1997 honey with 92 Lbs from 3 hives, no idea what the nectar source is but it contains brambles, clover, possibly peas and garden flowers from Totnes and Berry Pomeroy in Devon. Earlier in the year I took 127 Lbs of honey from Oil Seed Rape. The reduction in number of producing hives is that one swarmed and took a while to come back up to strength. This makes 1997 my best year for honey production since starting beekeeping in 1992. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings & allergic reactions Date: 5 Sep 1997 14:29:21 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5up501$vo5$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <872717358.4671@dejanews.com> <17BD87638S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <33077C28.2974@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9566 I have been keeping bees for seven years now and for the past three regularly (on weekends) take between 5 and 15 stings in the course of a day. I have noticed that if I get into a nasty situation and take 15 to 20 stings in short succession, I will within a few hours experience marked subcuatenous (sp?) itching for about two hours. It's maddening and most intense around the scalp and other areas with hair (!). It hasn't gotten any worse, and indeed seems to require more stings to set it off as time goes on. - Just my two sense. Article 9567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: 5 Sep 1997 15:55:25 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5upa1d$inp$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> <01bcb9f4$7e4a7960$b56ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9567 : if you vacumm them through a corrugated vacuum hose they will : die It depends on how corrugated the tube is and how strong the vaccuum is... I have been using a home-built bee-vac (complete with custom hinging cages as receptacles) for 4 years now and do not experience significant bee mortality. I use regular "shop vac" hose but build the bee vac with air inlet valves that let me knock the suction down to a minimal level. : the queen needs at least 2 or 3 lbs. of workers as "support : staff" EARLY in the Spring to have a decent shot at it - : packages of bees with a mated queen are sold by MANY southern : beekeepers - check the ads in "American Bee Journal" or "Bee : Culture" which you can likely find at least on microfilm via : your public library system - or ask a local beekeeper : I do have a 10 : | frame super, with drawn comb ? : | : | I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, : IMO it is too late - that does not mean it is impossible only : that IMO the extraordinary efforts to make it have a shot at : success at this late date are not worth it I maintain hives in the same area and have to agree with Jack, though you might pull it off with very heavy feeding if you actually capture most of the hive and the accompanying queen is in good shape. It may be worth it however in that these bees may have some varroa resistance (Jack (the previous poster) would know more about possible resistance mechanisms as a result of his honeybee improvement program). Do they actually have to be removed this year? E-mail me and let me know what you decide to do. I might be able to swing by one of these weekends and give you a hand. -Dave T. Article 9568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!peach3.demon.co.uk!mart From: Martin Greaves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Academic question Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:31:08 +0100 Organization: 3 Peach Animation Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: peach3.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: peach3.demon.co.uk [158.152.124.220] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9568 Hi all, from my bit of lurking this seems like a friendly newsgroup so.... I don't keep bees and am very unlikely to, but love honey and am interested in its health possibilities, particularly in regard to immune system benefits of locally gathered honey. If anyone has any experience, anecdotes or opinions I would be pleased to hear them either here or via email. As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? Thanks in advance for your comments. Mart. -- Martin Greaves Article 9569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in hive Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:41:33 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 73 Message-ID: <3410A6BD.301C075B@valley.net> References: <01bcb83d$59151140$f9a72299@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9569 Ronald Schimes wrote: > Hoping someone can help, I have a bee hive that has large ants in it. > I'm sure their eating a lot of the honey, how do I get rid of them? > > Thanks, > Ron Schimes > jukeman@msn.com greetings, first, are you sure they are actually getting inside the main part of the hive and onto the comb? i've had an ant colony living immediately behind my hive all season, and they have not been a problem inside the hive. in fact, they have been beneficial in their own way, as they haul away a good percentage of the dead bees that end up in the 'bee graveyard' just to the right of the landing platform under one of the marigolds that are growing around the base of the hive. i occasionally find them in the vent box on top of the hive, but have never seen them actually in the hive itself. my bees are very good housekeepers and defenders; any ant [or wasp, yellow jacket, bumble bee or fly] that gets onto the landing platform is almost immediately chased off by a guard bee. even if you see some ants inside the hive, they may not be 'inside' the hive, if you find them on the outside of the frames, sort of on the handles that you use to lift the frames. i don't know if all bees do this, but mine seal off the frames with propolis along the frame separators, a fact i learned the hard way, when i accidentally left bees on the outside of the frames. couldn't understand why i always found dead bees there, until i made the connection between the heavy layer of propolis and the ex-bees. now, i shoose them back inside the hive proper, before i replace boxes and lids. anyway, if you can determine that they are not getting to the honey, then you might adopt a live-and-let-live philosophy. as an integral part of the ecosystem, the ants are probably doing their part to recycle your deceased bees. if they really are getting to the honey, then an alternative to the 'oil moat around the legs' approach would be to place one or two Combat ant bait traps behind the hive. the ants will find them, bring the poisoned bait back to the colony where it will kill the queen and other ants, and in a couple of weeks they will be gone. you can cover the traps with some screening, if you are concerned about the bees possibly getting into them. [the bait is sugar based, but the openings are pretty small.] also, if they are exposed to the elements, put a little cardboard lean-to over them to protect them from the rain for a couple of weeks. there is always the possibility that the ants could track some of the poison into the hive, but, unless they are actually living inside the hive, they will most likely take it directly back to their nest, as they are foraging for food, just like your bees. finally, if the ants are really getting into the honey, then maybe you should assess the strength of the bee colony. i am just a newbie, but i am under the impression that a healthy colony can pretty much defend its home and food stores from the likes of ants and wasps. if i am wrong, i hope somebody posts that fact, as i will modify my own strategy accordingly. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Dave Fessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:11:20 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34109FA8.35D2@erols.com> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> Reply-To: fessler@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: aln-as1s32.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 6 Sep 1997 00:11:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) CC: user@msn.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9570 user@msn.com wrote: > > Hello: > Can anyone help me on how to collect a swarm inside Barn Siding, > I think there is a Queen inside, I was told they come back to the same spot (cut) > > Thank You. > > BobK, in West Chester, Pa Bob, Here's something to remember about swarms: A swarm in May is worth a load of hay; A swarm in June is worth a silver spoon; A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. The implication here is that a swarm in September isn't worth anything. Best Regards, Dave in Nazareth, PA Article 9571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help on collecting a Swarm Date: 6 Sep 1997 02:40:08 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 71 Message-ID: <01bcba6e$213dd300$876ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcb9b8$d0de93a0$fca22399@default> <01bcb9f4$7e4a7960$b56ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5upa1d$inp$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 05 9:40:08 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9571 David J Trickett wrote in article <5upa1d$inp$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... | | : | I live in West Chester, Pa, re: the region. Is it to late, | | : IMO it is too late - that does not mean it is impossible only | : that IMO the extraordinary efforts to make it have a shot at | : success at this late date are not worth it | | I maintain hives in the same area and have to agree with Jack, though | you might pull it off with very heavy feeding if you actually capture | most of the hive and the accompanying queen is in good shape. I agree that it is possible - the fact is I have done it myself which is why IMO it is simply not worth it - however I do remember as a newbie I would have tried it myself - now it is just seen from a quite different perspective. I would also suspect that a newbie ain't real likely to pull it off UNLESS someone mentors them through the project on site. It may be | worth it however in that these bees may have some varroa resistance | (Jack (the previous poster) would know more about possible resistance | mechanisms as a result of his honeybee improvement program). The chance is VERY VERY slim that any given feral colony has much resistance - it is like hunting for a needle in a haystack. When we (HIP) are told of feral colonies our Standard Operating Procedure is to tell them to let us know if they are still alive next April (we call 'em then) - if they are we will come and get them then. So far NONE - not one - nada - have been and one post-mite year we had 6 leads on feral colonies going into winter with some owners claiming (but not "knowing") that the colony had been there for multiple years. Realize that most feral or even just neglected colonies could easily perish un-noticed and be repopulated via a swarm before the observer/owner made note of it - this would lead to claims of multiple year survival when such had not actually happened. Realize also that the colony could yet have workers showing signs of resistance and could also have superseded the queen that mothered them and now be stuck with a daughter that did not get the needed genetic combination from Mom let alone from the drones it mated with. Yet another drawback of working on resistance selection with colonies of unknown background with unmarked queens. Mind you we do look at feral stock for signs of promise (shoot we look at all kinds of stock for promising traits) but it is from selected stocks not feral stocks that we are finding the most promising things - and even then we are talking about a faint glimmer of hope way way out at the end of a very long and very dark tunnel. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Posting binaries to sci.agriculture.beekeeping (was: Re: Bee Sting onBreasts?) Date: 6 Sep 1997 11:18:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5ure64$hle$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net> <5u3hp4$qes@titan.oit.unc.edu> <1997Sep3.093520.9479@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9572 In article <1997Sep3.093520.9479@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, Rodger Whitlock wrote: > >The rule in all newsgroups is: binaries are welcome in a newsgroup *only* >if (a) the name of the group includes the word "binaries" or (b) the >charter explicitly says that binaries are ok. > >Netiquette issues such as this are discussed in greater length in the >news.* hierarchy, particularly in some of the FAQs regularly posted to >news.answers. Funny. Seems that nobody can ever agree on anything, in what news.* groups I've read. When sci.agriculture.beekeeping was made, posting spurious binaries was not an issue. Propagating massive cancel messages wasn't a problem either. Regarding cancel messages: it's up to the newsadmin at your site on whether or not to continue the cancels, or for that matter the binaries. As for binary posting here, in sci.agriculture.beekeeping, for now, there isn't a problem with binaries being spammed to the group-- what binaries that have been posted have all had something to do with bees in some way. Maybe the thing to do with binaries is to point to them? Say post an article stating that one has a specific binary available for anyone that wants it? How about that? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Mike Lowndes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa mite attack! Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 14:15:23 +0100 Organization: Oxford University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3411576B.41C6@anat.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: leaf.anat.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9573 My mother has this year taken over 4 hives in Yorkshire (UK). Unfortunately one of her hives now has Varroa mites (they only just reached there apparently). She is obviously asking the people in her local keepers club but I thought I'd post here as there may be some trick/cure/other method of tackling them that anyone may know of? Any advice appreciated, cheers Mike Article 9574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: rainbowway@usa.net (Beckwith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French round beehives? Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 14:28:06 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3411686e.2224792@news.ioa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 19755@208.131.128.236 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9574 I saw something posted a few days ago about a new type of round beehive being used in France, but I lost the post. Does anyone know anything about these beehives? Is there really a lower incidence of mite infestation in them? Is there a web site with info on them? thanks. Will Article 9575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: <> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.229.113.25 Message-ID: <3411597d.0@news1.kc.net> Date: 6 Sep 97 13:24:13 GMT Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nac!news1.kc.net!206.229.113.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9575 jcrespi@capaccess.org writes: > > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I have read in the Dadant BeeKeeping Book about a method of combining a weak hive with a strong hive without killing the weaker queen by putting newspaper between the two hives and then allowing the bees to combine by themselves as they eat the paper. I understand that while the stronger queen may kill the weaker queen, they will occassionally run a 2 queen hive. While I have no experience with this myself, it sounded very interesting in theory. I am a new bee keeper, struggling to learn more of the herbal/natural/ non-antibiotic ways of keeping bees. Should you have any references on that subject, I would very much like to hear of them. Thank you and Good Luck. Article 9576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: eden@net1plus.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites and aromatic oils? Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 02:21:31 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34112056.1DD1@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 20809@207.77.56.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9576 A few months ago there was a thread here about using aromatic oils as an aid for the mite problem. If anyone has saved the thread I would appreciate an email with the info or maybe you could point me to a site that has the info.. Appreciated. Article 9577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 11:05:08 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34119B54.7588@ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca8-37.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 06 11:11:54 AM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: Martin Greaves Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9577 Martin Greaves wrote: > > Hi all, > > from my bit of lurking this seems like a friendly newsgroup so.... > > I don't keep bees and am very unlikely to, but love honey and am > interested in its health possibilities, particularly in regard to immune > system benefits of locally gathered honey. If anyone has any experience, > anecdotes or opinions I would be pleased to hear them either here or via > email. > > As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is > feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the > academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local > laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever > successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? > Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? > > Thanks in advance for your comments. > > Mart. > > -- > Martin Greaves I can't answer your academic question, but Thornes, a bee keeping supply house in Windsor, might be able to answer your questions regarding local laws, etc. Article 9578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants in hive Date: 6 Sep 1997 22:21:28 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970906222101.SAA16375@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <340FC0A0.5EBC@nt.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9578 Big ol carpenter ants sometimes nest between the covers if the bees can't get at them to kick them out. This happens to me when I use an inner cover without a hole in it for a bee escape. When it happens I dump the ants away from the hive and either use a migratory cover for a while or an inner cover with a hole and enough space for the bees to patrol above it. Article 9579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!disco.iinet.net.au!news.wantree.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Mark Beeson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SILKWORMS Date: 7 Sep 1997 02:05:16 GMT Organization: Amcal Bullcreek Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bcb736$68b153a0$71e637cb@computername> NNTP-Posting-Host: per2-79.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9579 Hello, The kids have just got a batch of silkworms and there are very few mulberry leaves around this neck of the woods-can anyone help with alternative food supplies for them? We would appreciate some advice Cass,Mark,Jay,Matts and Toby Article 9580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wetware!dailyplanet.wsrcc.com!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting binaries to sci.agriculture.beekeeping (was: Re: Bee Sting onBreasts?) Date: 7 Sep 1997 06:11:39 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5utgir$of7@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <5ure64$hle$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <5ttesv$p7v$1@nntp.pe.net> <34045df2.172819757@news.iw.net> <5u3hp4$qes@titan.oit.unc Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9580 In a previous article, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) says: >Maybe the thing to do with binaries is to point to them? Say post an >article stating that one has a specific binary available for anyone that >wants it? How about that? That's the way it's supposed to be done. It keeps the storage of those off the news system: hundreds, if not thousands of systems. -- Article 9581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.14.100.1!status.gen.nz!clear.net.nz!d1-u25.wgtn.clear.net.nz!user From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:55:28 +1200 Organization: infrequently Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u25.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9581 In article , Martin Greaves wrote: > > As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is > feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the > academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local > laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever > successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? > Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? When I lived at Gloucester Rd I kept bees on the first floor balcony. Unfortunately the landlord got nervous about it and banned it, and I shifted them to Regents Park (when the college there was still publicly owned). I don't think there's any regs about it; the most noted example was someone who kept their bees on a rooftop overlooking Buck House. I think it was featured in a colour supp piece. -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 9582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and aromatic oils? Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:24:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5uukg6$nmj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <34112056.1DD1@net1plus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 07 11:24:38 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9582 eden@net1plus.com wrote: >A few months ago there was a thread here about using aromatic oils as an >aid for the mite problem. >If anyone has saved the thread I would appreciate an email with the info >or maybe you could point me to a site that has the info.. >Appreciated. Some of the research is posted on the web: http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm Put varroa mite in the search field of Yahoo or AltaVista, and you'll get other articles on the mites. Article 9583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mite attack! Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:27:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5uukm8$nmj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <3411576B.41C6@anat.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 07 11:27:52 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9583 Mike Lowndes wrote: >My mother has this year taken over 4 hives in Yorkshire (UK). >Unfortunately one of her hives now has Varroa mites (they only just >reached there apparently). >She is obviously asking the people in her local keepers club but I >thought I'd post here as there may be some trick/cure/other method of >tackling them that anyone may know of? Mike: Here is the US we're treating with Apistan strips--the chemical fluvalinate. Plastic strips impregnated with the chemical are slipped between brood frames after surplus honey is taken off and left on for six weeks. Some folks are experimenting with other methods, e.g. essential oils. Article 9584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:29:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5uukr9$nmj@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> References: <34119B54.7588@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 07 11:30:33 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9584 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Martin Greaves wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> from my bit of lurking this seems like a friendly newsgroup so.... >> >> As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is >> feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the >> academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local >> laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever >> successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? >> Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? If it is crazy, then there's another nut in NYC. There was an article in the New York Times a few weeks back that a beekeeper had found someone who was letting him put a hive up on top of a very tall city building. I'm sure there's plenty of forage with Central Park alone. Article 9585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:25:02 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9585 In article , Martin Greaves writes >Hi all, >As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is >feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. Certainly, you have resident branches of the BBKA in NW10 (Brondesbury Park area?- I'm not too familiar with London!) and Twickenham. > I'm interested in the >academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local >laws or residents. No law against it, don't know about your neighbours. >I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever >successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? How high is the Bank of England? Or the Paris Opera House? Bees have been kept on both. >Would the bees prosper? Average yields better than many suburban areas (probably about 80-100 per colony) >Is it a crazy notion? NO > >Thanks in advance for your comments. > Your welcome -- Tom Speight Article 9586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:31:44 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 48 Message-ID: <34130120.196328A4@earthlink.net> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.229 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: "Janet A. Katz" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9586 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When we don't have that many to do we use an odinary pressure washer. Janet A. Katz wrote: > I've just finished taking the remainder of my surplus off my hives and > > have queen excluders that are covered with wax and propolis. Anybody > have any relatively reasonable methods for cleaning these? -- Andy L. Kettlewell rungun305@earthlink.net -- Whitnall High School Marching Band Greenfield Wisconsin USA -- --------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kettlewell, Andrew Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kettlewell, Andrew n: Kettlewell;Andrew org: Piechowski Family Home page adr: 10432 W. Norwich Ave.;;;Greenfield;WI;53228-2026;USA email;internet: rungun305@earthlink.net title: Webmaster tel;work: 414-545-5502 tel;home: 414-545-5502 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------8DA83171331F78BD9AAFC99E-- Article 9587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andrew Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:32:35 -0500 Organization: The Piechowski Home page Lines: 48 Message-ID: <34130153.C0792178@earthlink.net> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: rungun305@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.229 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: "Janet A. Katz" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9587 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When we don't have that many to do we use an odinary pressure washer. Janet A. Katz wrote: > I've just finished taking the remainder of my surplus off my hives and > > have queen excluders that are covered with wax and propolis. Anybody > have any relatively reasonable methods for cleaning these? -- Andy L. Kettlewell rungun305@earthlink.net -- Whitnall High School Marching Band Greenfield Wisconsin USA -- --------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kettlewell, Andrew Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kettlewell, Andrew n: Kettlewell;Andrew org: Piechowski Family Home page adr: 10432 W. Norwich Ave.;;;Greenfield;WI;53228-2026;USA email;internet: rungun305@earthlink.net title: Webmaster tel;work: 414-545-5502 tel;home: 414-545-5502 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------F62E3952AB73E7DF6C3E4705-- Article 9588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3411D9A9.2A30@voyager.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:31:05 -0700 From: "Anne J. Hacker" Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: smoke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.109.137.15 Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!nac!news1.kc.net!198.109.137.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9588 Today is the first beautiful sunny day in a while that also happens to fall on the weekend so I can remove the excess\honey stores from the hives. I went out with my trusty fume board, smoker and apistan strips, terramycin, etc. Got into the first hive and the bees went crazy. After Three years, I finally got stung on the leg. Not badly, but I read with interest the posting earlier on stings. Anyway, I realized that my usual little puff of smoke at the hive entrance to say "hello" may have been too much for them. My neighbor is clearing land and burning trees. The smoke has been wafting into my yard (and home) all day. Could the bees have had enough of the smoke and simply decided to retaliate and I happened to be the closest target? These are usualy very docile, lovely bees, but I have noticed that too much smoke in the past aggitates them. I did speak with my neighbor. We are working out an arrangement so I can get my honey off without the smoke fro the burning trees. But I am curious if my theory is correct - the extra smoke from my smoker was more than they could stand. Anne Article 9589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3411D851.32BE@voyager.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:25:21 -0700 From: "Anne J. Hacker" Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no excluder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.109.137.15 Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!nac!news1.kc.net!198.109.137.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9589 About 7 weeks ago I noticed that some of my hives were not doing much of anything. I have 15 hives with queen excluders in all. Yet some of the bees were not going up into the supers to store honey. The queen was laying brood, but the hives weren't strong. Other hives at this point have stored almost 3 supers full and drawn out comb honey. So I took the queen excluder out. Within a few weeks the slow hives were building up brood and laying honey and some brood in the supers. In confering with an experienced beekeeper, he said he never uses q-excluders. My question now is, how do I extract the honey from the supers with brood in them? I don't want to weaken what now seems to be a strong hive. Anne J. Hacker ajhacker@voyager.net Article 9590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!basho.demon.co.uk!ahado From: Dhyan Ahado Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-list ?? Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:10:27 +0100 Organization: D A Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: basho.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: basho.demon.co.uk [158.152.37.123] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9590 I tried to subscribe to the Bee-list today, using the name and address given by a previous writer to this group. I got a response from the list server recognising my request but indicating that no list of that name existed on that server. I used: Sub Bee-list on LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Can anyone point me at the correct server? Thanks for your help -- Dhyan Ahado Hm: ahado@basho.demon.co.uk (+44)-1249-660611 Wk: D.Ahado@lucent.com Article 9591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no excluder Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:34:57 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34131E01.5CCF@worldnet.att.net> References: <3411D851.32BE@voyager.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.237.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9591 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > About 7 weeks ago I noticed that some of my hives were not doing much > of anything. I have 15 hives with queen excluders in all. Yet some of > the bees were not going up into the supers to store honey. The queen was > laying brood, but the hives weren't strong. Other hives at this point > have stored almost 3 supers full and drawn out comb honey. > > So I took the queen excluder out. Within a few weeks the slow hives were > building up brood and laying honey and some brood in the supers. In > confering with an experienced beekeeper, he said he never uses > q-excluders. > > My question now is, how do I extract the honey from the supers with > brood in them? I don't want to weaken what now seems to be a strong > hive. > > Anne J. Hacker > ajhacker@voyager.net If you are using shallow supers, it will be the exception that the queen will go up into them. If you are supering with deeps, queens will more readily go up into them but it is still the exception. Many advocate not using queen excluders (AKA honey excluders). In the exceptional case where there is brood in the supers, put a queen excluder under them before removing the supers. Then just wait long enough for the brood that was already there to hatch and you will have brrod free supers. Article 9592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smoke Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:40:38 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34131F56.782F@worldnet.att.net> References: <3411D9A9.2A30@voyager.net> Reply-To: GSTYER@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.237.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9592 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > Today is the first beautiful sunny day in a while that also happens to > fall on the weekend so I can remove the excess\honey stores from the > hives. > > I went out with my trusty fume board, smoker and apistan strips, > terramycin, etc. Got into the first hive and the bees went crazy. After > Three years, I finally got stung on the leg. Not badly, but I read with > interest the posting earlier on stings. > > Anyway, I realized that my usual little puff of smoke at the hive > entrance to say "hello" may have been too much for them. My neighbor is > clearing land and burning trees. The smoke has been wafting into my yard > (and home) all day. Could the bees have had enough of the smoke and > simply decided to retaliate and I happened to be the closest target? > These are usualy very docile, lovely bees, but I have noticed that too > much smoke in the past aggitates them. > > I did speak with my neighbor. We are working out an arrangement so I can > get my honey off without the smoke fro the burning trees. But I am > curious if my theory is correct - the extra smoke from my smoker was > more than they could stand. > > Anne Sounds like your "hello" puff was not enough. Your bees are normally docile but you are taking from them what they instinctively know they need to survive, their food stores. If the flow has stopped they also know they can not replace it before the winter. You also mention that this was on the first beautiful sunny day. They were probably a little edgy if they have not been able to forage. Article 9593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!not-for-mail From: "Salvador E. Calderón" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: 7 Sep 1997 23:43:19 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bcbbe5$01584c00$LocalHost@scalderon.itsinc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: orion34.spin.com.mx X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9593 I have kept 5 colonies in downtown Mexico City. I don't think you have any problem. Just give your neighbours a jar of honey once in a while to keep them happy. Martin Greaves wrote in article ... > Hi all, > As I live in central London, I would also be interested to know if it is > feasible to keep bees in a very urban environment. I'm interested in the > academic possibilities from the bee/honey pov, not hassles with local > laws or residents. I would particularily like to know if anyone has ever > successfully kept a hive on top of tower block, say twenty storeys? > Would the bees prosper? Is it a crazy notion? > Martin Greaves > Article 9594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: smokey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help !."Bee-by" sitting the hives Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:15:22 -0700 Organization: Springs Industries Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34135FBA.4805@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: goomba@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.116.56.192 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9594 My father in law has taken a trip back to the "Old Country", good for him but nervous for me! I was left with the chore of maintaining his seven hobby hives. I have a question; I have been feeding the hives a mixture of sugar/water. The quarts are being devoured at an alarming rate! I even tried giveing two hives a night feeding but by the next day that was gone as well. Is this unusual or am I just a concerned newbee keeper. The hives are in New Jersey if that means anything (weather has been very dry, mild lately) Article 9595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-list ?? Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:47:20 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3412F6B8.490D@Birkey.Com> References: Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-144.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Dhyan Ahado Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9595 Dhyan Ahado wrote: > > I tried to subscribe to the Bee-list today, using the name and address > given by a previous writer to this group. I got a response from the list > server recognising my request but indicating that no list of that name > existed on that server. I used: > > Sub Bee-list on LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Can anyone point me at the correct server? Dhyan - It should look like this: SUB BEE-L Dhyan Ahado Put it in the body of the email and send to: LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU In no time you'll see how people really act when they get to talking on a Beekeeping List. Enjoy. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.Com http://www.birkey.com http://www.promisechecks.com Article 9596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Cathy Murray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mites and africanized bees Date: 7 Sep 1997 23:55:01 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5uvesl$s0r@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> References: <340F6203.3793@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.61.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9596 Africanized bees are honeybees, and are attacked by both Varroa mites and tracheal mites. It has been alleged that infestations with these mites are responsible for slowing the spread of Africanized bees in the southern U.S. Article 9597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: xlch75@aol.com (Xlch75) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-list ?? Date: 8 Sep 1997 01:06:34 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970908010600.VAA26928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3412F6B8.490D@Birkey.Com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9597 Hello, I have a couple of friends who want to get into Bee Keeping and who have a cabinet shop, need usuable shop drawings of Bee Hives , Supers, and Frames. In sw Okla area. can be reached at xlch75@aol.com Thank You in advance for any help you can give us. Article 9598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: xlch75@aol.com (Xlch75) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking Bee Hive Construction Plans and Drawings Date: 8 Sep 1997 01:14:37 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970908011401.VAA04443@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9598 Hello, I have a couple of friends who are getting into Bee Keeping and need information on Hive Construction, Thanks in Advance xlch75@aol.com Article 9599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.102!news2.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking Bee Hive Construction Plans and Drawings Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:03:53 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 14 Message-ID: <341316B9.4BD1@Birkey.Com> References: <19970908011401.VAA04443@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-121.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Xlch75 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9599 Xlch75 wrote: > > Hello, > I have a couple of friends who are getting into Bee Keeping and need > information on Hive Construction They're here: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.Com http://www.birkey.com http://www.promisechecks.com Article 9600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-list ?? Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 05:11:19 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5v016h$n8s$1@nntp.pe.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9600 In article , Dhyan Ahado wrote: >I tried to subscribe to the Bee-list today, using the name and address >given by a previous writer to this group. I got a response from the list >server recognising my request but indicating that no list of that name >existed on that server. I used: > > Sub Bee-list on LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > >Can anyone point me at the correct server? > I would like to get that info also. I tried one time but failed. Please let me know the step-by-step if you find out. Thnx. Article 9601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!grid.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa mite attack! Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:56:41 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3413BDC9.2586@nt.com> References: <3411576B.41C6@anat.ox.ac.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9601 Mike Lowndes wrote: > > My mother has this year taken over 4 hives in Yorkshire (UK). > Unfortunately one of her hives now has Varroa mites (they only just > reached there apparently). > She is obviously asking the people in her local keepers club but I > thought I'd post here as there may be some trick/cure/other method of > tackling them that anyone may know of? > Any advice appreciated, > cheers > Mike Bayvoral is the only method that has been proved to work here in the UK. Apistan is not available yet but is supposed to be on the point of being approved here. Some people have experimented with essential oils etc but the results are very mixed. I don't particularly like using 'hard' chemicals with the bees but 2 years ago I lost 2 hives by treating rather late in the year, just make sure that your mother takes any surplus honey off before using Bayvoral. Try looking at the BBKA website http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm There are 2 beekeeping associations listed for yorkshire: YORK & DISTRICT T. Robinson, 71 Broadway, York YO1 4JP 01904 626170 YORKSHIRE G.H. Moxon, 9 Savery Street, Southcoates Lane,Hull HU9 3BG. 01482 782052 Contact either or both they will give plenty of advice and will know sources of supply for Bayvoral. They will be only too pleased that someone is treating for varroa. We have a problem that a lot of people don't and when their bees abscond to our hives they bring more mights with them. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Academic question Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:35:05 -3251 Organization: **** Lines: 4 Message-ID: <33132EE9.3690@itl.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.15.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02APPLE (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9602 I heard of somebody keeping bees in a spare bedroom on the second floor with a window permanently open! Morley. Article 9603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:53:29 -0600 From: bbowen@mtest.teradyne.com Subject: My initiation into beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <873737045.7607@dejanews.com> Reply-To: bbowen@pacbell.net Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 08 16:44:05 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.24.98.11 (bruno.mtest.teradyne.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Authenticated-Sender: bbowen@mtest.teradyne.com Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9603 For a humorous account of my initiation into beekeeping (with a picture) check out my web page article at http://home.pacbell.net/bbowen/bees.htm -Bruce bbowen@pacbell.net home page http://home.pacbell.net/bbowen -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.152.142.10!zeke.ebtech.net!not-for-mail From: "mike" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hive in Garbage boxes pls help Date: 8 Sep 1997 11:48:16 GMT Organization: Electro-Byte Technologies "Sarnia's Internet Provider" Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bcbc4c$9609eae0$0a8f98ce@mike> NNTP-Posting-Host: help.ebtech.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9604 Help I have an undesirable Bee Hive in some cardboard garbage boxes. I would like to get rid of it somehow. I would rather not use pestacides and I can't find any local Bee Keepers who may want to capture it. I live in Sarnia Ontario Canada. Thank You Article 9605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.gte.com!not-for-mail From: "Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HoneyBee hive on house Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:46:31 -0400 Organization: GTE Laboratories Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5v1djr$ql7$1@news.gte.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.197.118.14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9605 I recently discovered a Honey Bee hive in the roof of our front porch. Seems pretty active (about 5 bees can be seen at any time). Does anyone have suggestions on encouraging them to move to a new location? Something that a consumer could easily find in a local store, not too time consuming to implement, and would not cause either great ecological damage, and would be as kind to the bees as possible? {There is a Jewish obligation to NOT cause needless harm to animals, and knowing a bit of the philosophical underpinnings, I see no reason why this would not also apply to bees}. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yechezkal-Shimon Gutfreund sgutfreund@gte.com GTE Laboratories,Waltham MA K'siva V'Chasima L'shana Tova U'mesuka B'gashmius U'B'ruchnious -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Article 9639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to start Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:24:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bcbe75$d99b0e80$7086dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34179EDA.ACBB5FFE@in.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh8-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 11 12:24:34 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9639 Tobi Elmore wrote in article <34179EDA.ACBB5FFE@in.net>... | My wife and I are planning on getting into raising bees for the Fruit | treesd and rather large garden. Any suggestions on when we should put | the packaged bees into hives in Central Indiana? Early to mid April - optimal 1 May - will still work ORDER EARLY - or you may not get the dates you decide upon. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!chollian!HGPUS7C From: HGPUS7C@chollian.dacom.co.kr (õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:38:54 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5v805e$jhl$1@news1.dacom.co.kr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: magicall2.dacom.co.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9640 Mark D. Hoover (mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: : I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade : plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is cost : effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. : Mark H Article 9641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: yaamaaha@aol.com (Yaamaaha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping ListServ Date: 11 Sep 1997 05:56:16 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <5v5ps9$kld@news.quick.net> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9641 me too please! kat>Can anybody please send me the address of the beekeeping listserv. Article 9642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping ListServ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:09:26 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <5v5ps9$kld@news.quick.net> <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9642 In article <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Yaamaaha writes >me too please! > >kat>Can anybody please send me the address of the beekeeping listserv. > > I think that you need to send an email to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU with the body of the message saying SUBSCRIBE BEE-L best of luck - you will probably want to subscribe to Best Of Bee instead very soon unless you have lots of spare time!!! -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? Date: 11 Sep 1997 15:29:39 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19970911152901.LAA00277@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9643 In article , owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) writes: > Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? >From: owenathome@nospamthanks.rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) >Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:47:46 +1200 > > >A while ago this seemed to be a no-no - syrup was the only way to go. What >is the current thinking on this? Asked the same question myself a year ago or so and the general opinion was that dry sugar would keep em from starving but 1:1 sugar syrup would stimulate brood rearing. Article 9644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping ListServ Date: 11 Sep 1997 11:08:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5v8jfr$eou$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <5v5ps9$kld@news.quick.net> <19970911055601.BAA19810@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9644 In article , Alyn W. Ashworth wrote: >with the body of the message saying > > SUBSCRIBE BEE-L SUBSCRIBE BEE-L YOUR NAME -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!nntp.info.ucla.edu!134.87.113.1!news.bc.net!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Prices Date: 11 Sep 1997 19:45:19 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bcbeeb$3a292be0$f3d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: gl-dialin243.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9645 What are the current honey prices in the US? Article 9646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:56:21 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <34186905.9DC525DD@calwest.net> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-103-84.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9646 joe mc cool wrote: > So, what is going on here ? Bee keeping is authentic, it is beautiful, > it is real. Computing is a lie, it is going nowhere, it is becoming > more and more ugly every day. And my frustration is increased when I > see so many young people rushing into it as a career. Little do they > know how ..... how ... essentially ugly it is. I agree with everything you say....but computing can extend the life of the tired old but experienced beekeeper and at the same time inform the public and new beekeepers of the LIFE and Lore of keeping bees. The sad thing about computing is that most people will never know about unix, or dos, only that the winds of 95 may not be perfect but it will bee all fixed with the winds of 98. If nothing the pc and the internet have opened up the world to beekeepers and someday in the future we will know the names of a few "internet beekeepers", not because of any particular success at keeping bees but the gift of telling the story of it all to others. Is this good? I don't know but it sure is fun to read of the experiences of other beekeepers and for some of us writing about it.... IMHO, Andy- Los Banos, California > > > Care to comment on this comparison ? > > -- > joe mc cool > By their acts shall ye know them. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== Article 9647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sseely@aol.com (SSeely) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking Bee Hive Construction Plans and Drawings Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:18:06 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19970911221801.SAA25625@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970908011401.VAA04443@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9647 Try http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Article 9648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!dciteleport.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: 12 Sep 1997 00:31:46 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 41 Message-ID: <01bcbf13$4571c8e0$9a6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5v805e$jhl$1@news1.dacom.co.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-26.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 11 7:31:46 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9648 õ¸®¾È NEWS GROUP ÀÌ¿ëÀÚ wrote in article <5v805e$jhl$1@news1.dacom.co.kr>... | | Mark D. Hoover (mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: | : I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade | : plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is cost | : effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. | First worry might oughta be IF the glue is actually WATERPROOF - otherwise the plywood will delaminate - yep sometimes even "exterior" grade will delaminate when painted and used as lids here. Some lids we made this Spring are already delaminating and yep I did ask about waterproof glue and was assured this plywood was made with it and could handle the job I intended it for. Now a couple of our Cooperators in HIP get used "form board" - they use it for lids and one made a few hundred nifty 5 frame Deep nuc boxes out of it too. This is a special type of plywood used in making concrete forms - it IS waterproof - has a special coating on it too so you don't even need to paint it (I doubt paint would adhere) - and it is fairly resistant to warpage. Next time we make lids we are using that stuff if I have to get it shipped up from FL (where they get it). Now if any of you know of a MI or OH source of the stuff please let me know. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!iagnet.net!robin.theramp.net!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to start Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:46:14 +0000 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34190157.4F5C@Birkey.Com> References: <34179EDA.ACBB5FFE@in.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.Com NNTP-Posting-Host: nap-ip-112.theramp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9649 Tobi Elmore wrote: > > My wife and I are planning on getting into raising bees for the Fruit > treesd and rather large garden. Any suggestions on when we should put > the packaged bees into hives in Central Indiana? > Tobi Tobi - Around here, the end of April through the first of May is when I can get queens and packages. I suppose if you shop around you might be able to get them earlier but this time frame works well for here. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.Com http://www.birkey.com http://www.promisechecks.com Article 9650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top Bar Hive Beekeeping Website Additions Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:42:06 -0400 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 44 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: arachnid.Gsu.EDU 874060934 17480 (None) 131.96.1.18 X-Complaints-To: usenet@arachnid.Gsu.EDU Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9650 I've added a couple of items to the tbh website at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm First of all, I've added a page on working top bar hives which has some photographs that should be helpful. Second, I have made a self-extracting zipped file (780K) of the entire website which can be downloaded if you wish the information and photos to run locally with your browser. It runs rapidly since you will not be retrieving pages and photos via internet, but the links to other websites and the "mailto" links will not work since you would not be online. You'd need to put the file on your hd to unzip it, but then the files could be copied to a 1.4MB disk if you wanted to run it from a disk. The homepage is main.htm. Since this is an executable file, you should check it for viruses as you should *any* executable that you retrieve from the net...but I assure you that the file is clean from this end. If you don't have access to the web, I might be able to send the file to you as an email attachment if your server/provider permits such large binaries. Get in contact with me if you need to try that. Links to these web page additions are on the home page as well as in the "What's New" link on the home page. I hope that you and your bees are well... Cordially yours, Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------- | James D. Satterfield | E-Mail: jsatt@gsu.edu | | 258 Ridge Pine Drive --------------------------------| | Canton, GA 30114, USA Canton is about 40 mi/64 km | | Telephone (770) 479-4784 north of Altanta, Georgia USA | | | | TBH Beekeeping Website: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm | ---------------------------------------------------------------- Article 9651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hmbrewery@aol.com (HmBrewery) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Wanted Date: 12 Sep 1997 14:15:29 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970912141501.KAA22182@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9651 Retail store in Washington is looking for the occasional (55 gallons every 4-5 months) drum of good honey. e-mail responses please Article 9652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.2.250.4!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: no excluder Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:21:41 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34194dd9.10109271@news.netside.com> References: <3411D851.32BE@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42p1-125.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9652 It may be a bit late in the season for this trick, but when I get brood in a honey super I put it above an excluder (after making sure the queen isn't in it!). The brood will hatch, and the bees fill in the empty space with honey. You can then place the super below the excluder, or remove the excluder completely, to speed capping. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 9653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:54:05 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3419659D.7C89@ix.netcom.com> References: <873305726.15036@dejanews.com> Reply-To: swehe@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx3-08.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 12 8:51:14 AM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9653 jcrespi@capaccess.org wrote: > > I have one weak hive and two strong ones. > What do I do to get the weak hive thru winter. > I am a Buddhist beekeeper and killing the queen is not possible. > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I'm a newbie beekeeper and had a similar problem. Since I'm in South Central Texas, I thought the foraging would be enough to build them up before winter but it obviously wasn't working. Thanks to Jack Griffes's advice, I started feeding syrup last month to the bees. The hive is now twice the original size with lots of brood and stores. There should be no problem overwintering them now. susan Article 9654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 19:50:01 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <874093801snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9654 In article mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu "Mark D. Hoover" writes: > I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade > plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is cost > effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. Also consider the weight, plywood can be rather heavy for a brood chamber. -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 19:53:24 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <874094004snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> <34186905.9DC525DD@calwest.net> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9655 Yes, But what I am really looking for is actual considered comparisons between the beauty and authenticity of bee keeping and the ugliness of computing. I am trying to articulate ideas :-) -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: FRANK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supers Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:57:21 -0700 Organization: Twin Lakes Telephone Internet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <341AC5F1.7052@twlakes.net> Reply-To: fscut@twlakes.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-16.r03.tngnbo.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INFOAVENUE (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9656 As a beginning beekeeper can someone explain when you add supers and when you should take them off. How much honey should you leave the colony for the winter. I planned on having a brood area of one regular hive body plus one 6 5/8 super. Any more honey produced would belong to me. Is this a reasonable plan? Do you recommend queen excluders to keep the queen in the brood area? Thank you Article 9657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:49:59 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 75 Message-ID: <3419E336.159A4A25@valley.net> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> <34186905.9DC525DD@calwest.net> <874094004snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9657 joe mc cool wrote: > Yes, > > But what I am really looking for is actual considered comparisons > between the beauty and authenticity of bee keeping and the ugliness of > computing. I am trying to articulate ideas :-) > > -- > joe mc cool > By their acts shall ye know them. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== greetings, guess i'll add my 2 cents. first, i have to agree totally with andy. as a newbie beekeeper, i've obtained and used a tremendous amount of information from the net, both from this usergroup and from the many, informative and very well produced webpages on beekeeping that are out there. since producing a web page usually involves some understanding of html language and structure, and since some of the web pages on beekeeping [and other topics] are, besides informative, very attractive, i'd say that computer programming can result in beauty, albeit of a different kind. as for programming itself, while i am not a programmer by trade, i do a fair amount of it in my job, as it is one of my responsibilities to test and validate the medical device software developed by my company. when a few thousand lines of code [or dozens, for that matter] that took weeks to create, execute as desired, it is a beautiful thing. it might get pretty ugly and frustrating during some periods in the creation phase, but the end result is very pleasurable to see in action. and well structured, well documented and well written code is a pleasure to read and beautiful, when compared to poorly written, spaghetti code. now, it is beauty of a different sort, but, just as a van gogh is different from a picasso [or a bach concerto], it is still beautiful in the eye of a beholder, if the beholder is into that sort of thing. i cut my teeth programming in basic, fortran, pascal, etc. in the mid-70's, and i resisted windows for years. didn't see any value in gui's. but, i'm used to it, now, and object oriented programming does have its advantages. it's just evolution in a different area. is programming beautiful in the same sense that watching a healthy colony of bees work a hive on a warm, summer day is beautiful, relaxing, or just plain awe inspiring? heck no. but, in it's own world, it can be a beautiful and rewarding thing. sure, programming isn't for everybody, and some of the cultural hype that's out there today is misleading, to say the least [thank god for the dilbert slant on that]. but, for some people, it is a very enjoyable and satisfying career. i know, because i work with some of those people [and am a part-timer, myself]. and, no, bill gates didn't pay me to write this. ;) if you want to get off on a major philosophical tangent, then i think that there are many similarities between programming and bees/beekeeping. programming is highly structured, and bees are, if anything, highly structured organisms, and their manmade homes are a model of standardization. the successful beekeeper understands the structure and organization of their world and works within it, not against it. but, perhaps, that is a topic for another day. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:24:42 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 64 Message-ID: <3419EB5A.838A166@valley.net> References: <341AC5F1.7052@twlakes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9658 FRANK wrote: > As a beginning beekeeper can someone explain when you add supers and > when you should take them off. How much honey should you leave the > colony for the winter. I planned on having a brood area of one regular > hive body plus one 6 5/8 super. Any more honey produced would belong > to me. Is this a reasonable plan? Do you recommend queen excluders to > keep the queen in the brood area? > > Thank you greetings, i'm just a newbie, myself, but i'll share my strategy, for what it's worth. i have 2 deep brood boxes for my base hive, and i'm leaving one medium super on top for the winter. i live in new hampshire, where winters are generally long and cold, and i want to be sure that my bees have enough stores to overwinter. having no data points myself, i took the advice of several contributors to this group, who have been there and done that. maybe it's overkill, but i'd rather be safe than sorry. if they don't use the honey in the super, then i'll feed it back to them next spring, and they'll get off to a quicker start. next year i'm planning to add a third deep to the base hive, so i won't have to worry about sufficient stores anymore [assuming all goes well during the season]. will that reduce their productivity next year, because they'll 'sense' that they already have plenty of honey in the 3 deeps? i don't know. maybe. i'm hoping it will give them enough space to 1) minimize the risk of swarming [along with requeening and regular feeding, as needed], 2) reduce the risk of disease from overcrowding, and 3) enable the colony to grow as large as it can, which may result in MORE honey. but, either way, i'm a hobbyist, and i'm not doing this for the commercial potential. if my bees are happy, then i'm happy. i'm not sure about using a queen excluder. someone else will have to answer that one. i don't plan to use one, because i figure the cluster will center around the queen, and i don't want to inhibit them from going up into the super, if they need it, but she can't follow them. if she does move up and starts laying in the super over the winter, i'll add the qe in the spring, and the brood should be gone before the first flow. i hope. or, i may modify my plan and leave them the super as a brood box in lieu of the 3rd deep. time will tell, but, first, i've got to get them through the winter. after that, making such a decision will be a pleasure. as for adding supers, i put them on when 9 or more frames in a box [i have 11 per box] are almost full. the bees take about 2 1/2 weeks to draw and fill a medium super. i started with plain foundation this year, so next year will probably go quicker. generally, i believe you're supposed to take full supers off once they're capped. although, i left one on for several weeks this summer, because i didn't have any extraction equipment, and it didn't seem to slow them down a bit in filling new supers. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question: tossed drone larvae normal? Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:39:25 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3419EECC.181C8A0E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-139.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9659 greetings, for the past week or so, i've noticed that my bees are regularly dragging out larvae and disposing of them in the bee 'graveyard' off to the side of the landing platform. this is most noticeable in the early morning, but can be seen off and on all day. it appears to be drone larvae, as they are fairly large. [some of them are almost full size and even move their legs.] i started with a nuc this spring, and the colony is pretty much at peak population now. they started raising drones late in the season and have a lot of drone brood developing [maybe a frame's worth in a 2 deep hive]. i figure it's about that time of year, when the colony kicks out the drones [some of the mature drones look pretty beat up], as they eliminate unnecessary colony members in preparation for winter, including drone larvae. i'd appreciate it, if someone could confirm, or deny, this theory. if it is an indication of some other problem in the hive, then i'd like to act as quickly as possible. overall, the colony looks very healthy and is still producing a lot of regular, worker brood. the larvae that they are removing look plump and normal. they have plenty of winter stores, too, including a medium super on top of the 2 deeps. thanks, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.14.100.1!status.gen.nz!clear.net.nz!not-for-mail From: "Your Name" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees Date: 13 Sep 1997 03:32:38 GMT Organization: ____________________ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u17.acld.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9660 How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden Article 9661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question: tossed drone larvae normal? Date: 13 Sep 1997 04:31:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bcbffd$ed7489c0$b06ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3419EECC.181C8A0E@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-48.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 12 11:31:34 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9661 When insufficient pollen is coming IN to the hive then the colony starts kicking out drones and if it continues they also discard pupae and larvae as well. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 07:10:18 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <874134618snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9662 In article <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> your_login@clear.net.nz "Your Name" writes: > How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden Ah, come on ! Redefine the problem: get your wife to enjoy the bees instead. How can one possibly be a REAL gardener and not enjoy bees ? Without bees, there might be no garden ! Buy her a hive and watch her start on an adventure of her lifetime. You won't regret it. -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:32:14 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970913123201.IAA29614@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <874093801snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9663 Concerning plywood for inner covers Lesson learned this season was to make sure you have a rim on both sides of the plywood so the veneer does not peel and to nail and clinch from both sides as propolis is tenacious and the wood strips will pull free. Article 9664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question: tossed drone larvae normal? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:36:30 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 45 Message-ID: <341AA4EE.6287CE@valley.net> References: <3419EECC.181C8A0E@valley.net> <01bcbffd$ed7489c0$b06ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9664 Jack Griffes wrote: > When insufficient pollen is coming IN to the hive then the > colony starts kicking out drones and if it continues they also > discard pupae and larvae as well. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI > USA > e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com > Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > > "Always be nice to other people, > they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." > - Steve White! " hi, jack. thank you for the reply. we are in the middle of a goldenrod bloom right now, and i can see many workers returning with very full pollen baskets. i live on a ridge, and the bloom started about 3 weeks ago in the valley, and they have been hauling it in ever since. as of my last inspection on sunday, i'd guess that they have at least 4 deep frames of pollen stored. maybe this is not enough, considering the size of the colony at this time of year? would you recommend feeding them pollen substitute patties? i have a full bag that i bought in anticipation of feeding them in the spring, but i can certainly do it now, if it will benefit the colony. one correction: it's mostly pupae that they are removing, not larvae. thanks, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp1.crl.com!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 07:56:21 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <341AA995.69CBDF60@calwest.net> References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-174.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9665 Your Name wrote: > How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden Any person with normal intelligence knows the answer to that is to "garden indoors", but then someone who does not even know his own name would have a problem. Article 9666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!134.129.111.78!news.sendit.nodak.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: 13 Sep 1997 15:34:26 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5vebq2$js2$1@node2.nodak.edu> References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9666 Your Name (your_login@clear.net.nz) wrote: : How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden There's a good chance they're not bees (of any kind). (Many people call yellowjackets bees). Its about the same as asking: How can I get rid of the mosquitoes so I can enjoy the lakes? Answer: simply cover all water surfaces with oil! I have found that most foraging workers (especially bees) are not a problem. They do not land on you and bite like flies (including mosquitoes). If you just sit their, they may investigate you but they won't attack and sting. They will however land on food and drink so don't bring those things with you when you go outside. -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE Article 9667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Excluders/killing AFB spores Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:48:16 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5veg5k$ip1@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <5v2lns$5rc$1@news.rapidnet.net> <01bcbda1$4a738400$6686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <873876116snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> <01bcbe69$b4fc2c00$7086dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj2-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 13 11:48:52 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9667 "Jack Griffes" wrote: >I hate to break it to ya but scorching is among the methods >found unreliable - way high heat for a very short duration just >ain't the same as sustained heat - plus some areas just don't >get as hot as others and still look scorched. >Now something that does work fast is Gamma Irradiation - kills >not only all AFB but every blooming disease organism in the box >right now - no questions asked. So, Jack, where do I get my Gamma Irradiator? :-) Janet Article 9668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Excluders/killing AFB spores Date: 13 Sep 1997 19:23:14 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 48 Message-ID: <01bcc07a$78dfb080$966ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <5v2lns$5rc$1@news.rapidnet.net> <01bcbda1$4a738400$6686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <873876116snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> <01bcbe69$b4fc2c00$7086dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5veg5k$ip1@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 13 2:23:14 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9668 Janet A. Katz wrote in article <5veg5k$ip1@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>... | "Jack Griffes" wrote: | | >I hate to break it to ya but scorching is among the methods | >found unreliable - way high heat for a very short duration just | >ain't the same as sustained heat - plus some areas just don't | >get as hot as others and still look scorched. | | >Now something that does work fast is Gamma Irradiation - kills | >not only all AFB but every blooming disease organism in the box | >right now - no questions asked. | | So, Jack, where do I get my Gamma Irradiator? :-) | | Janet | Depending on your locale this option may or may not be open to you. In the USA it is "experimental only" at present - meaning ya gotta get special permission to do it (at least in some states don't know about them all) - also ya gotta extract all the honey first since honey is not on the approved list for irradiation. Basically you take your equipment to an irradiation center (with proper permission if needed) and they irradiate. A beekeeper I know got the permission and says the following year the bees in those totally clean boxes (zero disease to start with) made enough extra honey to pay for the irradiation but not enough to make a profit on it. Considering his state requires burning of equipment with AFB he saved some good equipment from the ash pile. And yes he did run the experiment correct with enough units under test, a control, the whole deal. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!beeapi.demon.co.uk!Ron From: pop Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting an extractor Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:38:24 +0100 Organization: beekeeper Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3416B5B7.484B@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beeapi.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: beeapi.demon.co.uk [194.222.25.172] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9669 In article <3416B5B7.484B@umich.edu>, David Cappaert writes >I have an old manual honey extractor, made of galvanized steel and once >coated with paint. I've removed the remnants of the paint and wonder >how to treat the bare metal. What kind of paint is safe to use? I'm >concerned of course about possible toxins or flavors that might leach >into the honey. > >Thanks for any ideas on this. > >--David Cappaert > Ann Arbor, MI Try getting the extractor powder coated. If there is a local firm you may get a good price. However If you can, get a new one. This is a much better way to ensure that you get no toxins or off flavours in your honey. As an investment it is worthwhile and properly looked after it will last you many years. When purchasing it look ahead and get the largest you can afford preferably Radial as this cuts down the effort involved in extracting. -- pop Article 9670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question: tossed drone larvae normal? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:01:02 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 58 Message-ID: <341AFF0E.17125FB0@calwest.net> References: <3419EECC.181C8A0E@valley.net> <01bcbffd$ed7489c0$b06ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <341AA4EE.6287CE@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-102-72.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9670 bill greenrose wrote: > thank you for the reply. we are in the middle of a goldenrod bloom > right now, and i can see many workers returning with very full pollen > baskets. i live on a ridge, and the bloom started about 3 weeks ago in > the valley, and they have been hauling it in ever since. as of my last > inspection on sunday, i'd guess that they have at least 4 deep frames of > pollen stored. maybe this is not enough, considering the size of the > colony at this time of year? The only use pollen is to the hive is in rearing more bees, wintering adult bees require NO pollen and in fact if too much is in the honey they will suffer and yellow rain will fall. If pollen builds up, like the 4 frames you have and the weather is still mild or spring like the odds are that the pollen is deficient in something and you may be able by feeding your supplement overcome some of that deficiency and rear more bees.., On the other side of the coin if your burn out your bees now trying to rear bees you don't really need they will be slower to start brood rearing in the spring or late winter, and one must remember that the queen also has a limited life and it may be better to push her in the spring when she can be replaced then now when she can not be replaced. Its really a judgment thing based on your experience in your area. Brood rearing at any time uses both hive and bee resources and though it may be true you can cause more brood to be reared now you could pay with the loss of the hive later on. It matters not what you feed now as far as a pollen substitute one has not been found that will increase the natural pollen storage in your hive other or better then a slow nectar (sugar) flow that will cause the bees to seek pollen that maybe they would have not done on their own. It is well to remember that in all respects the grater the mixture of pollen available the better the bees will do as few if any single source pollens are by themselves good bee diets. Lucky for us the bees knowledge of all this stuff is very limited if not they would have died out long ago. Sometimes it is best to leave well enough alone and let nature follow its own course...so if your hives are full of bees, have enough honey for the winter, feel lucky that you have extra pollen good or bad as it will be corrected next spring with the first flowers. The same for those who may have NO pollen stored in their hives which is common in many areas, the only difference these hives will not have much brood prior to the first spring flowers. > would you recommend feeding them pollen > substitute patties? i have a full bag that i bought in anticipation of > feeding them in the spring, but i can certainly do it now, if it will > benefit the colony. Having not kept bees in your area I would not want to say, but one basic rule of life that may apply is "if you have em light em up". But you may be doubling your expense as you will need another pack (bag) for the spring. > one correction: it's mostly pupae that they are removing, not larvae. You may not see the larvae the bees remove as they are able to re-process it with no waste. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.61!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: Niger hater Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:00:38 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5vf2sl$2m3@camel4.mindspring.com> References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> Reply-To: lkirkpatrick@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lca7t.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 13 Sep 1997 22:08:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9671 "Your Name" wrote: >How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden FUCK YOU. PS. I hate nigerz. Article 9672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Charles V. Soderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Niger hater Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:17:49 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <341B3B3D.355D@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: ChuckSoderquist@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.17.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9672 Having not been to the North African country of Niger, I can't possibly imagine why one would hate it so, but as this is a newgroup for beekeeping, perhaps you should place your somewhat eloquent phrases and misspellings in a more suitable group. And I'm being nice now. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes Article 9673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Re: bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> <5vf2sl$2m3@camel4.mindspring.com> Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries Message-ID: <01bcc0ab$c3a8ee20$217ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin2-3.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin2-3.wr.hom.net Date: 14 Sep 97 01:32:20 GMT Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp1.crl.com!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!mid-ga.com!dialin2-3.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9673 To the "niger hater": Since you insist on letting the whole world know what your feelings are towards the African-American citizens here in the USA, I have a challenge for you. C'mon, be a man. Come to my town and stand on the street corner, for 15 minutes, wearing a sign stating your feelings. If you survive, only then, will you have something to be proud of. You sure can't say much for your education. You think Bruce Willis had a bad day? nah... -- Chip Perry, GA USA Niger hater wrote in article <5vf2sl$2m3@camel4.mindspring.com>... > "Your Name" wrote: > > >How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden > > > FUCK YOU. > > PS. I hate nigerz. > > Article 9674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: computers and bees Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:04:58 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <5vfgst$4v2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <873876702snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: BeeNoSpam@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.252 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9674 One more opinion: I really like to learn new things. I’ve really enjoyed learning about bees this year and I have lots to learn and plan to expand some next year. I also used to be really interested in computing. I made a few machines using 6800 Motorola series processors and assembly language. It was really fun, program written on a bag kind of stuff. Now I am havinga hard time keeping up with upgrades I don’t need. I seems that the learning curve for computing is just too intense, I seems that we have overloaded ourselves with E-Mail, Networks and the worst of all Voice Mail. The nice thing is I can forget all that stuff with my head stuck in a bee box. joe mc cool wrote: > > Friends: > > Somehow I get the impression that quite a few of you are involved in > computers. > > I work as a programmer on PC's, Unix and Novell etc. I also keep up on > 50 MD hives. > > I get a great bang out of my bees (even after 15 years), but it > impossible to make a living here from bee keeping. The weather is just > too unreliable and anyway, I am getting too old for the physical work ! > And yet I am getting increasingly frustrated with the computer industry. > Falling prices, the predomination of Gates & Co, reduced supply sources > - and perhaps most importantly an increasing lack of elegance in > software. (Nobody will convince me that GUI's are more beautiful than > the traditional Unix command line. C++ is not a more beautiful language > than plain C.) > > So, what is going on here ? Bee keeping is authentic, it is beautiful, > it is real. Computing is a lie, it is going nowhere, it is becoming > more and more ugly every day. And my frustration is increased when I > see so many young people rushing into it as a career. Little do they > know how ..... how ... essentially ugly it is. > > Care to comment on this comparison ? > > -- > joe mc cool > By their acts shall ye know them. > ======================================================================== > Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk > Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 > N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 > BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 > ======================================================================== -- I never did like Spam. For real mail remove BeeNoSpam and replace with PBJJJ. Sorry to my fellow beekeepers and friends for this inconvenience. Article 9675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brown to Green Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 03:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <9709132050162590@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9675 Saturday September 13, 1997 Los Banos, California USA Its still Brown season here, our last rains were mighty but short and stopped in February several months earlier then normal after doing much damage because a years worth of rain came in a few short weeks. Now today as I am surrounded by no less then three computer screens with the color TV playing in the background I ask myself not only why do TV's have screens but what if I had only had one of these pc's when I was in high school? No doubt in my own mind my life would have been different but alas they have for the most part only replaced the radio and tv as another avenue of pleasure and now communication between beekeepers and friends. Right now I am miles high looking down on the clouds that cover the eastern pacific, something I could not have even dreamed of doing in high school with a computer costing millions and filling a room without at least leaving the comfort of my home office and here comes LINDA, a real hurricane, and hopefully a tropical storm when she makes her move on California. You see we in California have never had a hurricane or even seen one up close and personal. We are human and fear not what we can not see so if we get a real hurricane you can expect the loss of life and property to be much higher then it would in areas that know about them as so many here will want to see one. We had a close one the year before I was born and 40 people who made the mistake of walking down to the sea for a up close and personal look never walked back. The storm is still a few days off and everything is normal, 90 degrees, Brown, and lots of sun. The experts say this hurricane is going to move north and change into nothing more then a tropical storm, before it turns on California. But these are government men who can't even agree on when its going to rain, everyone knows here that a 10% chance of rain translates into one weather man out of ten voting for rain. It is also a fact that what the daytime weather man gives you the night time one takes away. Never could understand why the two shifts did not at least rotate once en a while. I got the feeling this time, maybe its my sore noise, the one with the sun cancer now the size of a quarter, from second hand smoke no doubt about it or maybe just one load too many of chewing tobacco spat into the wind.. This one is different, its a first, and its heading straight for my noise and no man from the government is going to change that. I guess I will wait and see what happens but I have no plans for any trips to the coast which is less then one hundred miles west of Los Banos. It used to be a lot closer but as I have grown older the distance seems to have increased, who would believe I once thought making the trip five times a week to work bees was great fun. When LINDA hits, if she hits, things will change, some non-believers will be believers and others will be gone forever. One inch of rain here is a lot when your annual total is many times less then ten, (Linda could bring 15 inches of rain to the coast and less inland), the official amount typical of a desert is 10 inches or less, but most deserts get more then we do, anyway after the damage is done, measured, and clean up starts, our Green time starts and from that day its only 30 more until the first flowers and how to get the bees to fly in a early cold Green season is another story few around can tell as no one lives that has ever seen a hurricane come ashore in California. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 9676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Niger hater Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 07:22:23 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <874221743snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <341B3B3D.355D@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9676 In article <341B3B3D.355D@worldnet.att.net> ChuckSoderquist@worldnet.att.net "Charles V. Soderquist" writes: > Bikes, bees and bytes ? And boats, breasts, b... and ...... ;-) Don't the best things begin with 'b' ? Just wondered. -- joe mc cool By their acts shall ye know them. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.11.20!news.onramp.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:43:45 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <741578053874ACF0.A52A5FC6BDBB3FC6.98E44060E31FFFA1@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5vgist$esq@library.airnews.net> References: <5ueljb$snm@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <5v2lns$5rc$1@news.rapidnet.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Sep 14 06:47:41 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal01-01.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9677 I use one of those little hand-held propane torches. I can clean a metal queen excluder in a minute or less. BusyKnight Dallas,TX Article 9678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mr.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood for Hives Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:51:45 -0500 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 19 Message-ID: <341C1620.71FBE7C7@hotmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-40.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9678 Mark D. Hoover wrote: > I am considering building several new supers out of exterior grade > plywood. Is there any reason I should stay away from plywood? It is > cost > effective but I am worried that the glue in the wood might be toxic. I just replaced two brood boxes (plywood ones) that were original equipment (got them when I got the bees). They may have been quite old. The layers of wood were peeling apart, there were holes at the corners which the bees tried diligently to patch up w/ propolis... it was an ugly, ugly sight. In prying the frames out to move them into the new, non-plywood boxes, I had to destroy the rabbets of the old things. The bees seem much happier in their new home. I'll never use plywood hives or supers again if I can help it. -Drox Article 9679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sseely@aol.com (SSeely) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shook Swarm-Comb Honey ? Date: 14 Sep 1997 20:42:19 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970914204201.QAA18955@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <340FC215.3FF9@nt.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9679 I’m planning on trying my hand at comb honey next year. From what I’ve read shook swarm is the way to go. I have no hands on experience, I only know what I’ve read. Any advice on this procedure would be gratefully appreciated. Article 9680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.80.84.4!mv!lnh-1-10.mv.com!user From: cc@nocrap.broadwing.com (CC) Subject: 4 hives - 2 strong, one pretty good, one weak X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.6b4 Organization: Broadwing Communications Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lnh-1-10.mv.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:55:38 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9680 I have 4 hives. 2 are very strong, one is in good condition and the other is weak. I'm in New England, and I'm very concerned about the weak hive's chances for making it through the winter. Numbers appear okay, there is capped brood, but there is little honey. I'd say 2 1/2 frames of capped honey in the upper hive body. I can start feeding syrup, but is there enough time before winter arrives? -- Chris Conroy cc@broadwing.com Broadwing Communications Inc. "helping your ideas take flight" Video * Multimedia * WWW Designs http://www.broadwing.com 603/497-4072 € 603/497-6066 (fax) Remove the phrase"nocrap." from my email address before responding. Article 9681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shook Swarm-Comb Honey ? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:59:53 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 31 Message-ID: <341C6C69.3A06@teleport.com> References: <340FC215.3FF9@nt.com> <19970914204201.QAA18955@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-14.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: SSeely Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9681 Hi, I tried shook swarming this year and got some ok comb off at the tail end (shook mid July) of a honey flow. I was very impressed at how much comb they could produce in a short period of time (harvested end of August) with the limited flow. I tried the double shook swarm method, because I had limited equipment. I ended up with a very strong colony on one side and a weak one on the other due to orientation of the hive. The strong side produced about 10 frames of comb, but only 2 frames were adequately capped. The nectar ran out... The week side didn't produce any honey, only brood. Things that I'd do differently: 1. This year I tried doing a double shook swarm. I don't think it's worth the bother of messing with the equipment or the risk of losing a queen. 2. Next year, I'm going to shook swarm the stongest of my 15 hives at the very beginning of the honey flow. 3. I'd also use full sheets of foundation in the frames. I used strips in some of the frames this year and ended up with some messy comb. Paul Cauthorn Beekeeping, the art of stacking boxes and learning from ones mistakes. :) SSeely wrote: > > I’m planning on trying my hand at comb honey next year. From what I’ve > read shook swarm is the way to go. I have no hands on experience, I only > know what I’ve read. Any advice on this procedure would be gratefully > appreciated. Article 9682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question: tossed drone larvae normal? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:29:49 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 107 Message-ID: <341C736D.BCC2B919@valley.net> References: <3419EECC.181C8A0E@valley.net> <01bcbffd$ed7489c0$b06ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <341AA4EE.6287CE@valley.net> <341AFF0E.17125FB0@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9682 thanks for the reply, andy. the bees have been storing pollen all season, and it is an amazing array of colors, from blood red to bright yellow. so, i guess their stores are fairly diverse. not sure where it all came from, but reading up on local flora and bee nectar and pollen sources is on my list of winter activities. there's an apple orchard less than a mile from my home, and a farm less than a half a mile in the other direction, as well an an abundance of blackberry and raspberry bushes on my property and in the open fields nearby [lots of wildflowers in those fields, too], also buckthorn, which they were all over this summer, so i'm assuming at least some of those sources provided pollen, as well as nectar. the weather has been very warm for this time of year in northern new england, and they've been very active during this time. in fact, i appear to be in the middle of a fall flow [my first, as this is my first season keeping bees]. goldenrod has maybe a week left, and the asters have just started blooming, as well as some tall, bamboo-like shrubs that they are ALL over. when i checked the hive yesterday, there was still plenty of capped brood, larvae and fresh eggs, so they seem to be going strong. definitely not as many drone brood, though. so, i think i'll adopt a wait and see approach. after the first frost, i'll be feeding them wintering strength syrup [they've stopped taking regular syrup for now], just in case, even though they appear to have plenty of honey stored up in the two deeps. i can try some pollen patties then, if it looks like they need it, but my gut feeling is that they are in pretty good shape. to your point, maybe the colony is a little too strong for this time of year [i started from a nuc, and they have just been getting stronger and stronger all season], but i'm also leaving a medium super on for the winter, just in case. they've already given me one super of honey, and i may get another one before the season is over, which is 2 more than i expected this year. better to give some back and help ensure their survival, i figure. btw, i hope that hurricane doesn't blow you away. ;) again, thanks for the advice, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > bill greenrose wrote: > > > thank you for the reply. we are in the middle of a goldenrod bloom > > right now, and i can see many workers returning with very full pollen > > baskets. i live on a ridge, and the bloom started about 3 weeks ago in > > the valley, and they have been hauling it in ever since. as of my last > > inspection on sunday, i'd guess that they have at least 4 deep frames of > > pollen stored. maybe this is not enough, considering the size of the > > colony at this time of year? > > The only use pollen is to the hive is in rearing more bees, wintering adult > bees require NO pollen and in fact if too much is in the honey they will > suffer and yellow rain will fall. If pollen builds up, like the 4 frames you > have and the weather is still mild or spring like the odds are that the > pollen is deficient in something and you may be able by feeding your > supplement overcome some of that deficiency and rear more bees.., On the > other side of the coin if your burn out your bees now trying to rear bees > you don't really need they will be slower to start brood rearing in the > spring or late winter, and one must remember that the queen also has a > limited life and it may be better to push her in the spring when she can be > replaced then now when she can not be replaced. Its really a judgment thing > based on your experience in your area. Brood rearing at any time uses both > hive and bee resources and though it may be true you can cause more brood to > be reared now you could pay with the loss of the hive later on. > > It matters not what you feed now as far as a pollen substitute one has not > been found that will increase the natural pollen storage in your hive other > or better then a slow nectar (sugar) flow that will cause the bees to seek > pollen that maybe they would have not done on their own. It is well to > remember that in all respects the grater the mixture of pollen available the > better the bees will do as few if any single source pollens are by > themselves good bee diets. > > Lucky for us the bees knowledge of all this stuff is very limited if not > they would have died out long ago. Sometimes it is best to leave well enough > alone and let nature follow its own course...so if your hives are full of > bees, have enough honey for the winter, feel lucky that you have extra > pollen good or bad as it will be corrected next spring with the first > flowers. The same for those who may have NO pollen stored in their hives > which is common in many areas, the only difference these hives will not have > much brood prior to the first spring flowers. > > > would you recommend feeding them pollen > > substitute patties? i have a full bag that i bought in anticipation of > > feeding them in the spring, but i can certainly do it now, if it will > > benefit the colony. > > Having not kept bees in your area I would not want to say, but one basic > rule of life that may apply is "if you have em light em up". But you may be > doubling your expense as you will need another pack (bag) for the spring. > > > one correction: it's mostly pupae that they are removing, not larvae. > > You may not see the larvae the bees remove as they are able to re-process it > with no waste. > > ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: my first bee sting Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:44:46 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 43 Message-ID: <341C76EE.4D3FF9CE@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9683 greetings, well, i just received my first bee sting of the season. since there was a fairly long string about stings a little while ago, i thought i'd post my experience, for what it's worth. this was definitely my own fault, as i was mowing around the hive and not paying attention to where i was. managed to place myself right in their flight path to and from the hive [they were very active today] and one stung me right on the edge of the eyebrow. man, did that hurt! i immediately ran into the house, removed the stinger and used a bee sting swab from a package i bought from the walter kelly co. that stuff really works. took the pain away in seconds. earlier in the season i posted about getting stung by a yellow jacket on the ear and how the swab helped for that sting. well, it works for bees, too. i also took some antihistamine and some aspirin, as getting stung on the face like that and so close to the eye, i wanted to avoid swelling, if possible. it's been about 5 hours, since i was stung, and there is no sign of swelling and no redness. the site is tender and the skin is a little tight [hurts if i wink, but not when i blink], but no systemic reaction, thank god. i waited about an hour after the incident to be sure i wasn't going to have a bad reaction, and then finished mowing the lawn. worked all around the hive and the bees ignored me. i figure one just flew into my face by accident and panicked. plain bad luck on my part. lesson for newbies like me: ALWAYS pay attention to what you're doing around the hive and never take your bees for granted. mine have been so good this season, that i often forget they are there, as i work around the yard. not a wise practice, as i learned. hope this helps others, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!honeysuckle!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0705.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shook Swarm-Comb Honey ? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:43:16 -0500 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 46 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <340FC215.3FF9@nt.com> <19970914204201.QAA18955@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0705.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9684 "Shook swarming" is a lot of work and prone to difficulties, especially if the weather doesn't cooperate. If you have a dependable honey flow at some time during the season, and know when it will likely to occur, then you can shook swarm the colony to take advantage of the flow. However, the shook-swarm bees will *age* and after about 3 weeks they will begin to dwindle. From then on you have lost the advantage of the arrangement. Then, too, it will take several weeks for the colony in the shallow hive to build back up from the new brood. There isn't any real magic to the results. When you "shook-swarm" a colony, you have a large population in a reduced hive, with LOTS of foragers, PLUS there is *no* brood, at least initially. For this reason, the bees have a lot of nectar coming in, and it is not being used for brood rearing at all. Very similar to a newly-hived natural swarm. They seem to produce honey really fast. Once brood is present in quantity, and the older bees start dying off, things tend to slow down noticeably. When I tried this method for round sections one summer, the bees started out OK in the supers, but then a cool wet spell came on. By the time the weather got clear and hot for an extended spell, the colonies were already slowing down. I have found it easier and more reliable to put comb-honey supers under or between the extracting-supers once the main flow is underway. Either that, or to make up double-queen brood nests in spring (one queen per brood-chamber, separated by an excluder) and super with just comb honey supers above this. The colonies are not so disrupted or thrown off balance this way. Plus you don't have to fiddle with them for wintering -- they remain full-sized colonies in full-size nests right through the season. Do try shook-swarming and see how it goes. Some folks swear by it. Have fun and good luck, In article <19970914204201.QAA18955@ladder01.news.aol.com>, sseely@aol.com (SSeely) wrote: > I’m planning on trying my hand at comb honey next year. From what I’ve > read shook swarm is the way to go. I have no hands on experience, I only > know what I’ve read. Any advice on this procedure would be gratefully > appreciated. Article 9685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom Extractor Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:34:15 -0700 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <341CACB7.2592@fidnet.com> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-39.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9685 Does anyone have plan you would share for some device to extract venom. Most (all) use electricity and a membrane. Article 9686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding with plain, granulated sugar? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:32:03 +0100 Organization: adrem Distribution: world Message-ID: <15Bl8GAD+kG0IwFe@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <19970911152901.LAA00277@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9686 In article <19970911152901.LAA00277@ladder01.news.aol.com>, BeeCrofter writes >Asked the same question myself a year ago or so and the general opinion >was that dry sugar would keep em from starving but 1:1 sugar syrup would >stimulate brood rearing. In the spring it is ok to feed 1:1 syrup as a stimulative feed, particularly if you want to build up the colony so that it is strong enough to take advantage of early-flowering nectar sources. It is advisable to give them a pollen substitute feed as well so that everything is available for helthy brood rearing in the right proportions. In the autumn, however, your objective is not to stimulate brood rearing but to get as much of the brood chamber as possible full of honey in preparation for the winter. In August/September (in the UK) you should start feeding 2:1 (sugar:water) syrup as a rapid feed unless the colony already has sufficient stores to see it through the winter. Do not forget to add Fumadil B with the syrup if you suspect that nosema is present. If you feed the bees with dry sugar, you are giving the bees extra work to do (in terms of dissolving the sugar first) and slowing them down at a time when you want them to metabolize as much sugar as possible. If the weather changes suddenly and the bees have not had a chance to evaporate off all of that extra moisture, the watery-honey may well ferment and cause problems (e.g. dysentry) when the bees try to eat the "honey". -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Article 9687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!134.222.90.2!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:02:17 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 16 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <5vjm69$ao2@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9687 >How can I get rid of bees so that my wife can enjoy her garden Wouldn't you better get rid of your wife so the bees can enjoy your garden ? ;-) hugo +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... Article 9704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.61!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jcmurray@mindspring.com (Jonathan C. Murray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:02:17 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5vn3ke$5rd@camel4.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jcmurray@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kb6ka.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1997 23:10:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9704 Does anyone have any Royal Jelly below human consumption levels, yet ok for bees to eat for my science fair project? Free? Jonathan Murray jcmurray@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~jcmurray/index.htm Article 9705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jcmurray@mindspring.com (Ribster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Science Fair Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:16:05 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5vn4e9$tln@camel2.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jcmurray@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kb6ka.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1997 23:23:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9705 Does anyone know any good High School science fair projects I could use. I just have 2 hives. Article 9706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!News1.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!van-bc!news1.istar.ca!not-for-mail From: billfern@istar.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a source for beeswax Date: 16 Sep 1997 23:51:27 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5vn61v$h7m$1@news.istar.ca> References: <01bcc238$b1dae0c0$a0623cd1@i453312> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts31-10.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9706 Where do you live. Not much use asking for a source when you might live in california and me in a foreign country? Article 9707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: August Honey Prices Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <9709161708342599@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9707 Some AUG 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS JUN 1997 totals 41.4 million kilograms | | EXPORTS 1.9 million kilograms | | CANADA -Manitoba | : clover 70-71 white : | ARGENTINA | | clover 64-71 E. 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Use at own risk. 91697 --- þþ "Where there is honey, there are beekeepers" --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://suebee.com (Looking Better Everyday) Article 9708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recipes for hydromiel Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:53:40 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <341F1C04.53A0@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca19-24.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 16 5:00:11 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9708 I tasted some of this type of wine when in France this summer and would like to make some myself; it is different than mead. Does anyone know of a recipe? Thanks vivian Article 9709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finally found the beekeeping group Date: 17 Sep 1997 01:47:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bcc30b$9fa0bfa0$996ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5vmo2q$d9s@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 16 8:47:21 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9709 Welcome aboard Palmer -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Palmer Hudson wrote in article <5vmo2q$d9s@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... | Hello everyone. Article 9710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Science Fair Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:55:02 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5vnd2c$ihb$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <5vn4e9$tln@camel2.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp36.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9710 In article <5vn4e9$tln@camel2.mindspring.com>, jcmurray@mindspring.com wrote: >Does anyone know any good High School science fair projects I could >use. I just have 2 hives. > I might suggest that you do a comparison as to the quality of the comb between langstroth frames and top bars. You could set up 1/2 of one of your hive bodies with langstroth frames and the other 1/2 with plain top bars set up in accordance with the specs posted here on the internet by Jim Satterfield. I think you will find that when the bees are not artificially restricted by the langstroth frames as to their mobility within the hive and as to the depth and width to which they may draw out their combs, that there will be some significant differences between the two methods of keeping bees. Article 9711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Andy Kettlewell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Science Fair Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:07:16 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <341F2D43.88D13B79@earthlink.net> References: <5vn4e9$tln@camel2.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.238.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: jcmurray@mindspring.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9711 try something with counting varroa mitesRibster wrote: > Does anyone know any good High School science fair projects I could > use. I just have 2 hives. Article 9712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEY PRICE FAQ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:05:42 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <341F5715.C7B6179E@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n3-102-150.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9712 The price of honey when posted to the internet is a history and may or may not reflect today's market. On the upside is the fact that you see Aug prices here the middle of Sept when the print bee journals are reflecting June prices is somewhat of an improvement.. Prices are what has been paid in the US and are reflected in cents per pound US. The market price for honey is what you receive at the time of sale and delivery of your production, highs and lows are the difference. Many times the majority sell at the low and only a few sell at the high. Because there are few honey buyers in the US a true cash market does not exist and prices offered do not always reflect the reality of annual production trends up or down, cost of production, or the natural competition of a normal cash market. Beekeepers are their own worst enemy when it comes to marketing honey and many sell only to make room for other activities in their storage areas. Beekeeping marketing associations are famous for agreeing on one honey price today and selling for a lower one the next day. The largest honey packer in the US is not SUE BEE and uses about 45% imported honey. Sue Bee is the largest CoOp packer of US produced honey and uses a small amount of imported stock when member production is not adequate for its needs. SUE BEE producer members do not receive full payment on any years crop until late the next year. The average price earned by SUE BEE members for their honey produced in 1996 was in the mid to high eighties, for the 1997 crop it is expected to be as much as five cents less due to competition from other packers and lower priced imports now entering the marketing chain.. Posted Wholesale prices do not reflect promotions, store discounts, and the normal retail food industry pay off's. The same is true of today's retail prices. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: Lin Richardson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplies Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:03:51 -0600 Organization: The Honey Pot Lines: 19 Message-ID: <341F56A7.A202C2DE@m.cc.utah.edu> Reply-To: lin.richardson@m.cc.utah.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ctsasync40.cc.utah.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9713 Who was it that wanted to know where we get our beekeeping supplies? I think the name of the place is Beekeeping Supply and the number is 1 888 623-0317 (that's a toll free USA number) They can get almost anything, and they ship all over the USA as far as I know. They are generally very helpful and good to work with. Hope this helps... regards, Lin -- Lin B Richardson lin.richardson@m.cc.utah.edu http://www.cc.utah.edu/~lbr9649 Article 9714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: N.W. U.K. Web Page Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:04:57 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9714 The Lancashire and North-West Bee-Keepers' Association (U.K.) now has a web page at :- http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys/beehome At present it just lists events for the year and contact details, but we hope to expand it in time. Any comments gratefully received. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:02:05 +0100 Organization: nortel Lines: 40 Message-ID: <341F8E7D.1941@enterprise.net> References: <34194537.2460@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9715 Troy & Heather Whetstone wrote: > > I am not interested in keeping bees or getting honey I need to know how > to get rid of two beehives and what I can do to stop them from nesting > again. We have two beehives at our house and my mother is very allergic. > She was stung this year already and she almost died. One hive is the > normal honey bee it is inside the deck of our shed and the other hive is > inside the shed in a piece of rolled up carpeting and that hive contains > those big bumble bees. These bees have to be at least 3 cm long and they > look all fury. > > I would really be thankful for some suggestions > > Heather Firstly the honey bees, you should certainly get them removed or destroyed given your mothers allergy. Either contact a local beekeeper who may be able to remove them or a pest control company who could destroy them. If you can get at the hive a cupful of petrol (gasoline) poured into the hive will destroy the occupants. Assuming that the remedies above get rid of the bees preventing more bees next year is very difficult. You will have to seal up every possible entrance point to your shed deck, bees being very small it's very easy not to spot potential entrances, good luck! The bumble bees are not such a problem as they normally don't sting and certainly don't overwinter like honey bees. Only the Queen bumble bee will overwinter so if you want to get rid of her you simply unroll the carpet in the winter and kill her. If, and this I prefer, you accept that there is little or no danger from the bumble bees you could let them continue to use your old carpet as home. Here in the UK you can get details of local beekeeping groups in libraries and details of beekeepers willing to remove bees from the police and local authority. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Thieves in the News Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:13:25 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 71 Message-ID: <341FF395.B35DA932@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-102-88.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9716 Theft and Vandalism has always been a major problem for beekeepers big or small. Beehives are necessarily kept away from busy areas of everyday life and are inviting targets. Occasionally these crimes against beekeepers property take on the proportions of a major crime. In California we have had several cases of professional crooks getting into the bee business by not only stealing the beehives but also the big trucks and forklifts needed to move them. Several have been caught over the years and given real jail time to think it over. Most are slapped on the wrist and told not to do it anymore and released over loud protests of beekeepers who have had hives stolen. I had my last 500 hives stolen three years ago and had not found a one since, truly a forced retirement. The bee laws here are in such bad shape that if you do not catch the criminal in the act there is little real hope of conviction as just having someone else's bee equipment no matter how it is marked or branded is just not enough for our liberal court systems. Beekeepers have at times taken the law into their own hands with some success in the rural areas but for sure I would not want to advise anyone to use lynch law and I am sure if your follow this on going story of the Bee Burners in Florida you should have 2nd thoughts about what can happen to any beekeeper who puts himself above the law. Check this out: http://www.tampatrib.com/news/metro1006.htm Several years ago northern California queen breeders were having problems with theft of hives and queens from their nucs. Everyone knew who was doing it but the criminal continued to thumb his noise at his fellow beekeepers and increased his bee operation each year by stealing from his neighbors. The beekeepers went as far as to talk to the authorities and were told that nothing could be done unless they could catch the thief in the act. One of the quietest young beekeepers who you would ever meet was being effected the most by this thief and he could take it no longer. He started to hide out in one of his queen yards that was a frequent target of the thief, he was armed. Would you believe the luck, as other beekeepers were also targeted by this thief two of them were using a air plane in hopes catching the thief at the same time in the same area and they were witness to what I am about to write. That day was not unlike any other spring day, it was a good one for catching queens and most bee breeders were about doing just that. But in this yard the beekeepers who showed up to catch queens was not in his own queen yard, but he was very busy catching and caging queens when the owner appeared from over a rise with a rifle in his hands. The thief stopped what he was doing, dropped his smoker and hive tool and took flight with the bee yard owner right behind him. The thief would not stop and the owner could not catch him so he did the wrong thing and stopped and took a shot at the running bee thief and then chased him some more. All the time the beekeepers in the air were seeing the whole thing unbelieving their own eyes. Run a little, stop aim shoot, run some more...well the thief got away but he had a visible limp having twisted his ankle or taken a hit from the rifle in his flight. All the beekeepers involved got together and went right over to the sheriff's to report the incident. The sheriff said he would look into it and not to worry. He went out to the suspects home and had to take him to the hospital because of a (self inflected) gunshot wound to the guys foot. The suspect was in time run through the court system and did some hard time, he also had a special condition added to his peerole that he was not to engage in the bee business. The beekeeper rifleman was also run through the system but got off with stern warning not to do it again. These beekeepers in Florida should be so lucky, I hope so, but would not want to be in their shoes as what ever they had lost in the past is nothing to what the legal system will take from them. ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Thieves in the News Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:57:41 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 77 Message-ID: <341FFDF4.E540E6D7@calwest.net> References: <341FF395.B35DA932@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-103-235.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9717 correction to url. Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Theft and Vandalism has always been a major problem for beekeepers big > or small. Beehives are necessarily kept away from busy areas of everyday > life and are inviting targets. > > Occasionally these crimes against beekeepers property take on the > proportions of a major crime. In California we have had several cases of > professional crooks getting into the bee business by not only stealing > the beehives but also the big trucks and forklifts needed to move them. > Several have been caught over the years and given real jail time to > think it over. Most are slapped on the wrist and told not to do it > anymore and released over loud protests of beekeepers who have had hives > stolen. I had my last 500 hives stolen three years ago and had not found > a one since, truly a forced retirement. The bee laws here are in such > bad shape that if you do not catch the criminal in the act there is > little real hope of conviction as just having someone else's bee > equipment no matter how it is marked or branded is just not enough for > our liberal court systems. > > Beekeepers have at times taken the law into their own hands with some > success in the rural areas but for sure I would not want to advise > anyone to use lynch law and I am sure if your follow this on going story > of the Bee Burners in Florida you should have 2nd thoughts about what > can happen to any beekeeper who puts himself above the law. Check this > out: http://www.tampatrib.com/news/metr1006.htm > Several years ago northern California queen breeders were having > problems with theft of hives and queens from their nucs. Everyone knew > who was doing it but the criminal continued to thumb his noise at his > fellow beekeepers and increased his bee operation each year by stealing > from his neighbors. The beekeepers went as far as to talk to the > authorities and were told that nothing could be done unless they could > catch the thief in the act. > > One of the quietest young beekeepers who you would ever meet was being > effected the most by this thief and he could take it no longer. He > started to hide out in one of his queen yards that was a frequent target > of the thief, he was armed. Would you believe the luck, as other > beekeepers were also targeted by this thief two of them were using a air > plane in hopes catching the thief at the same time in the same area and > they were witness to what I am about to write. > > That day was not unlike any other spring day, it was a good one for > catching queens and most bee breeders were about doing just that. But in > this yard the beekeepers who showed up to catch queens was not in his > own queen yard, but he was very busy catching and caging queens when the > owner appeared from over a rise with a rifle in his hands. The thief > stopped what he was doing, dropped his smoker and hive tool and took > flight with the bee yard owner right behind him. The thief would not > stop and the owner could not catch him so he did the wrong thing and > stopped and took a shot at the running bee thief and then chased him > some more. All the time the beekeepers in the air were seeing the whole > thing unbelieving their own eyes. Run a little, stop aim shoot, run some > more...well the thief got away but he had a visible limp having twisted > his ankle or taken a hit from the rifle in his flight. > > All the beekeepers involved got together and went right over to the > sheriff's to report the incident. The sheriff said he would look into it > and not to worry. He went out to the suspects home and had to take him > to the hospital because of a (self inflected) gunshot wound to the guys > foot. The suspect was in time run through the court system and did some > hard time, he also had a special condition added to his peerole that he > was not to engage in the bee business. The beekeeper rifleman was also > run through the system but got off with stern warning not to do it > again. These beekeepers in Florida should be so lucky, I hope so, but > would not want to be in their shoes as what ever they had lost in the > past is nothing to what the legal system will take from them. > > ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.237.233.10!wesley.videotron.net!wagner.videotron.net!not-for-mail From: odem@game-master.com (wayne) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Light Amber Honey Date: 17 Sep 1997 17:12:11 GMT Organization: VTL Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5vp31b$mhb$1@wagner.videotron.net> References: <9709161708342599@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p162.game-master.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9718 Does anyone know who might have about 65 drums of light amber honey in drums available in California or Texas? Article 9719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: mrpookey@mindspring.com.gotcha (j&a) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB: Honey From Local Beekeepers in/around Raleigh, NC HELP!!! Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:14:34 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34202b59.507892@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: mrpookey@mindspring.com.gotcha NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kboga.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 17 Sep 1997 18:13:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9719 hey now, i'm hoping someone can direct me to a local beekeeper(s) in raleigh, nc or nearby. i'm looking to buy honey for mead making and don't feel right about buying stuff from grocery stores. if anyone has any info about beekeepers in my area, please email me! thanks! ****************************************************** Email solicitors and spammers have forced me into this: To Reply to this posting, please remove gotcha from mrpookey@mindspring.com.gotcha. Just Say NO to Spammers and Email Solicitors! ***************************************************** Article 9720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August Honey Prices Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 13:31:38 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Distribution: world Message-ID: <874503098snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> References: <9709161708342599@beenet.com> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9720 What are these prices: in cents for 1 lb or what ? Please. Are the imports for August only, or cumulative for the year so far ? -- joe mc cool remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamic Honey Jars Date: 17 Sep 1997 21:50:28 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970917215001.RAA25215@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9721 Does anyone know of a supplyer of ceramic honey jars? Jeffery E Reader Article 9722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!155.229.2.176!metro.atlanta.com!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com (Michael Purcell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple honey Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:17:42 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 25 Message-ID: <342046a9.12173746@nntp.atlanta.com> References: <341F2858.4789@accessatlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: purcell.atlanta.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9722 don@accessatlanta.com wrote: >My 97 honey crop seems to have a lot of purple honey. What would be the >nector source for this? I have notice that this years crop is thinner >than usual several other area beekeepers have noticed the same thing. Is >there some reason for this ? > >thanks Don Two possibilities I can think of for the Atlanta area: If the honey came in late in the summer, then it could bee from Kudzu. I have seen some Kudzu honey scattered in the frames, and seen the bees working on the Kudzu flowers. The honey is purplish in color, and has a faint grape like smell. If the hives are in the city, or near public parks, etc. and the honey came in during a dearth, then it could be from discarded soda pop cans. I suppose there could be other possibilities... -- Michael Purcell purcell@atlanta.com Article 9723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.123!in1.uu.net!128.250.1.21!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr.unknown From: p.kerr.unknown@host.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European foulbrood in New Zeland? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:47:23 +1200 Organization: remove the unknown host Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9708282237572503@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9723 Just found this, a little late perhaps, but In article <9708282237572503@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > *This message was from "Thomas W. Culliney -- Dept. of Agriculture" > originally in conference BEE-LISTMAIL. > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Thomas W. Culliney -- Dept. of Agriculture" .peacesat.hawaii.edu> > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:39:38 -1000 > Subject: European foulbrood in New Zealand? > > In a letter to the editor, published in the latest issue (August 1997) of > the American Bee Journal, the writer, John Iannuzzi, states that he was > informed by two New Zealand beekeepers that European foulbrood is found in > New Zealand. Can anyone confirm this? > > Tom Culliney > Hawaii Dept. of Agriculture > culliney@elele.peacesat.hawaii.edu European Foulbrood is believed not to be present in New Zealand. About 3 years ago there was a suspected case with several hives of the one beekeeper near Nelson. MAF organised a major exotic disease exercise, samples taken, hives destroyed, inspections made over a wide area, which remained closed to hive movements during part of the pollination season. AFAIK the lab tests were inconclusive, and the symptoms have not recurred. -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland NZ neo-Luddite Article 9724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeping Website Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:44:30 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <342085e8.697563383@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.197.242 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9724 I thought there weren't enough personal "vanity" beekeeping websites around, so I created this whimsy: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Topics include observation hives, queen-rearing, top-bar hives, and beekeeping in Fiji. Hope you enjoy the visit. Regards, John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net Article 9725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.new-york.net!nonexistent.com!not-for-mail From: Charles Ali Campbell Subject: New York Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: Email abuse@news2.new-york.net if this posting is inappropriate Reply-To: alicamp@j51.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Pak Books Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news2.new-york.net 874551355 18001 (None) [165.254.214.15] X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pma15.ucs.net Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:56:21 GMT Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9725 I'm a former beekeeper, and I have a garden 20 miles outside New York City. Over the past several years the bee population in our area has gone down until this year it is near zero. We are on the Hudson river, not densely built up, a lot of woods. What has happened to the bees? -- Ali Campbell, Manager Pak Books on Islam and the Middle East 220 Rte 9W Box 590 on-line catalog http://www.j51.com/~alicamp/ Palisades, NY 10964 Phone (Voice/Fax) 914-359-5127 or 359-7547 Article 9726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BK-Economics Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:31:57 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5vrijg$qgk@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2-dialup19.surf-ici.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9726 Recently BEE Culture referenced a program offered by GEARS called BK-Economics. I cannot seem to locate the program on the web site. Has anyone an alternate site? By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 9727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Staining/Filtration of honey Date: 18 Sep 1997 17:53:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5vrpqv$4t8@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.163.4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9727 I am in the process of bottling my honey and find that after straining my honey with an 80 mesh strainer bag I still have minute particles of wax suspended in the honey. The health food store locally wants "unfiltered honey" but polished like processed honey. Can anyone help with a means of accomplishing both without a large capital outlay? -- Thanks for your help! Steve Davison Article 9728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!informix.com!news From: Holly Deiser Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Supplies Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:46:11 -0700 Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Menlo Park, CA 94025 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34218503.6A8293A2@pdx.informix.com> References: <341F56A7.A202C2DE@m.cc.utah.edu> Reply-To: hollyd@informix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: koala-new.informix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9728 Lin Richardson wrote: > Who was it that wanted to know where we get our > beekeeping supplies? > I think the name of the place is Beekeeping Supply > and the number is 1 888 623-0317 > When I dial this number I get a message that says its not available from my area (I'm in Oregon). Is there a different number? Holly ;-D Article 9729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeping Website Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:49:19 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3421BDFF.595A286B@valley.net> References: <342085e8.697563383@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-134.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9729 John Caldeira wrote: > I thought there weren't enough personal "vanity" beekeeping websites > around, so I created this whimsy: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > > Topics include observation hives, queen-rearing, top-bar hives, and > beekeeping in Fiji. Hope you enjoy the visit. > > Regards, > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > jcaldeira@earthlink.net great site! lots of excellent pics. :)) bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: PEGGY SMOLLEN Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New comer! Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:25:15 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3421E28B.A3@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.71.2.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9730 I was looking into Beekeeping as a retirement hobby/business and wonder where to start my research? Looking at the Florida area.Anybody have any leads. Thanks Peggy Article 9731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple honey Date: 19 Sep 1997 02:21:16 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <19970919022101.WAA01266@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9731 >My 97 honey crop seems to have a lot of purple honey. What would be the >nector source for this? I have notice that this years crop is thinner >than usual several other area beekeepers have noticed the same thing. Is >there some reason for this ? Is the honey very fruity tasting? If your area has tended to be hot and dry, there will be little nectar in the flowers, and the bees begin (with help from wasps and hornets to cut the skins) to work on hucklberries, elderberries, wild grapes or other wild fruit. So it's really a fruit juice, concentrated by the bees, rather than true honey. It is also sometimes referred to a "blue honey." Keep this "honey" separate, if you can, it has high value. Send me a sample, I may be interested in buying it from you. Pollinator@aol.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arcata area beekeepers? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:50:19 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3421F67B.45DD@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-08.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9732 Hello, I'm interested in finding information about beekeeping in the Arcata, California area. My key interests would be what are the main nectar sources and pollination crops. What are average yields per hive and what's the average pollination fee? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul Cauthorn Article 9733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: glcatlow@aol.com (Glcatlow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it too late to collect a hive? Date: 19 Sep 1997 03:54:02 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9733 Hello all, I'm an accidental beekeeper. I could use y'alls expertise here... I have had a hive in the walls of my home since...well, I'm not really sure, maybe last year. It spun off one for sure (maybe two) swarms in late spring, and it has grown big and healthy through the summer. I need to get rid of these wee beasties because we are going to put our house up for sale soon, and I'm not sure that including a hive of bees is a big market draw for the general public. I have had no luck finding a local beekeeper to remove them (I'm willing to put on a suit myself and peel off the siding to get at them); I've been reading back over recent posts on this group, and I'm getting the idea that moving a hive this late in the season has little chance of successfully surviving. (Am I getting this right?--- The queen would not have time to restart a new brood before winter?) Is this why no locals are willing to collect this hive? I can't wait until spring to move 'em, as we have to paint and do some exterior repairs this fall to put our house on the market in Feb. I'd hate to have to destroy this hive and kill 'em off, but it's looking more and more like that is the only option I am going to have this late in the season. Am I right? ( I hope not) I await you expert advice... Lee Catlow Austin, Texas Article 9734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.multipro.com!usenet From: "Doyle Carson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New York Bees Date: 19 Sep 1997 04:07:31 GMT Organization: The MultiPro Network Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bcc4c5$3a3e63e0$32b078cf@doyle.multipro.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.ippool.cumberland.multipro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9734 Ali, two words which make up one huge problem----VARROA MITE!! Doyle Charles Ali Campbell wrote in article ... > I'm a former beekeeper, and I have a garden 20 miles outside New York > City. Over the past several years the bee population in our area has > gone down until this year it is near zero. We are on the Hudson river, > not densely built up, a lot of woods. What has happened to the bees? > -- > Ali Campbell, Manager Pak Books on Islam and the Middle East > 220 Rte 9W Box 590 on-line catalog http://www.j51.com/~alicamp/ > Palisades, NY 10964 Phone (Voice/Fax) 914-359-5127 or 359-7547 > Article 9735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:56:31 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5vt0ek$cq5$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <01bcbff5$c463d160$113061cb@default> <5vebq2$js2$1@node2.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp15.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9735 An interesting point, Karl, that the writer's wife's problem may not have been related to bees at all. And you are right that it is a characteristic of a bee to walk around on you without intending to sting you. Your point made me think of when I saw my master beekeeper catch a big fat bee out of the air casually with his bare hand and that is when I learned that many bees are drones which don't sting at all! I wonder if a drone would make a good pet, or possibly it could be a performer in a "drone circus"? TTYL Article 9736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? Date: 19 Sep 1997 04:51:30 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 75 Message-ID: <01bcc4b7$af6f56a0$7886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 18 11:51:30 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9736 Glcatlow wrote in article <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com>... | Hello all, | I'm an accidental beekeeper. I could use y'alls expertise here... | | I have had a hive in the walls of my home since...well, I'm not really | sure, maybe last year. It spun off one for sure (maybe two) swarms in late | spring, and it has grown big and healthy through the summer. I need to | get rid of these wee beasties because we are going to put our house up for | sale soon, and I'm not sure that including a hive of bees is a big market | draw for the general public. You are likely correct but the bees should be a draw card IMO > I have had no luck finding a local beekeeper to remove them (I'm willing | to put on a suit myself and peel off the siding to get at them); I've been | reading back over recent posts on this group, and I'm getting the idea that | moving a hive this late in the season has little chance of successfully | surviving. (Am I getting this right?--- The queen would not have time to | restart a new brood before winter?) Is this why no locals are willing to | collect this hive? Can't say for sure why no locals want to take on the job - liability concerns - local laws - perhaps you may be inside the AHB zone - perhaps you are not offering them appropriate pay for the job - all strike me as possible reasons. If Austin, TX is anywhere near the current AHB line then killing them is likely the best option at this late date. If Austin is a GOOD ways NORTH of the AHB line then way down there in the South you should if ya get hoppin on it be able to pull off a successful start IF you do everything exactly correct which is unlikely at best without a mighty good mentor right there helping you. Not sure about the AHB deal then do check that out before ya dive in over yer head. | I can't wait until spring to move 'em, as we have to paint and do some | exterior repairs this fall to put our house on the market in Feb. I'd | hate to have to destroy this hive and kill 'em off, but it's looking more | and more like that is the only option I am going to have this late in the | season. Am I right? ( I hope not) see above - surely would have been better to get at this project way a lot earlier -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Science Fair Date: 19 Sep 1997 05:09:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bcc4ba$4008a200$7886dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5vn4e9$tln@camel2.mindspring.com> <341F2D43.88D13B79@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 19 12:09:50 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9737 How about looking for V-mites fatally injured by the bees - making sure ya make the mite fall traps properly as per MINIMUM of 3/8" between screen and trap paper so the bees cannot chew on mites already caught on the paper - damage must be done PRIOR to hitting the trap - requires about a 20X microscope or higher Andy Kettlewell wrote in article <341F2D43.88D13B79@earthlink.net>... | try something with counting varroa mitesRibster wrote: | | > Does anyone know any good High School science fair projects I could | > use. I just have 2 hives. | | | | Article 9738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New comer! Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:42:42 +0100 Organization: nortel Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34223B02.24F5@enterprise.net> References: <3421E28B.A3@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9738 PEGGY SMOLLEN wrote: > > I was looking into Beekeeping as a retirement hobby/business and wonder > where to start my research? Looking at the Florida area.Anybody have any > leads. > Thanks > Peggy You'll need a strong back. If you have ever had ANY back trouble don't even consider it. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? Date: 19 Sep 1997 12:51:49 GMT Lines: 58 Message-ID: <19970919125101.IAA03450@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9739 In article <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com>, glcatlow@aol.com (Glcatlow) writes: >Hello all, >I'm an accidental beekeeper. I could use y'alls expertise here... > >I have had a hive in the walls of my home since...well, I'm not really >sure, maybe last year. It spun off one for sure (maybe two) swarms in late >spring, and it has grown big and healthy through the summer. I need to >get rid of these wee beasties because we are going to put our house up for >sale soon, and I'm not sure that including a hive of bees is a big market >draw for the general public. > >I have had no luck finding a local beekeeper to remove them (I'm willing >to put on a suit myself and peel off the siding to get at them); I've been >reading back over recent posts on this group, and I'm getting the idea that >moving a hive this late in the season has little chance of successfully >surviving. (Am I getting this right?--- The queen would not have time to >restart a new brood before winter?) Is this why no locals are willing to >collect this hive? > >I can't wait until spring to move 'em, as we have to paint and do some >exterior repairs this fall to put our house on the market in Feb. I'd >hate to have to destroy this hive and kill 'em off, but it's looking more >and more like that is the only option I am going to have this late in the >season. Am I right? ( I hope not) > >I await you expert advice... > >Lee Catlow >Austin, Texas You never know...... you may have the first real hope of finding a mite resistant colony that can pass on mite resistance to their offspring. In that case, your queen may be a "million dollar baby." We have one approved treatment available for varroa mites. If the mites become resistant to that, we are really going to be in deep do-do. Keep trying to find a beekeeper. Encourage them to check for mites. If they are mite free, or at very low levels after more than a year without treatment, they ought to be checked for potential breeding stock. Perhaps arrangement could be made to remove them early in the spring. Somewhere, sometime, someone will find the colony that offers mite resistant pollinators, for which american agriculture will breathe a sigh of relief. It would be a shame, if that one colony got destroyed for convenience sake. If you wanna' get some background on pollination, brouse the web page below. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? Date: 19 Sep 1997 14:12:34 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5vu18i$oj7$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19970919125101.IAA03450@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9740 What is your winter like out there? I would bet that it would be possible to save this colony if you cut out the brood and move it also. You'd probably have to put it on a feeding regime for a while however. I make the assertion because I've brought late summer swarms through winter here in PA with aggressive feeding, and I'd guess that our winter is a bit lengthier than yours. As for the removal itself, if you can find a beekeeper who's willing to do the removal, I'd be happy to discuss the technique (mine at least) for doing so. If you can easily remove the siding, it should be fairly easy to do, with a minimum of mess and stings. As for them being AHBs, I suspect you'd know by now if they were highly aggressive. If it's a fairly large hive, that's another basis for concluding they are not AHB. On the other hand, AHB tend to throw off more swarms... however, a strong European will also throw off a couple of swarms a year.... I tend to agree with Pollinator about the desirability of saving the colony for its potential genetic value. Dave T. Article 9741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Michael J Barnett" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Supplies Date: 19 Sep 1997 18:19:09 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5vufmt$lg1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <341F56A7.A202C2DE@m.cc.utah.edu> <34218503.6A8293A2@pdx.informix.com> Reply-To: "Michael J Barnett" NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.42.97 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9741 I got the same recording from Charlotte NC -- Michael J Barnett remove(-no spam) to reply Article 9742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.125.2.233!iol!not-for-mail From: "JohnE O' Shea" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey for sale! Date: 19 Sep 1997 18:48:19 GMT Organization: Ireland On-Line Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bcc21b$6a02b880$LocalHost@sfrancis.iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-005.tralee.iol.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9742 Hi to all fellow beekeepers! I have a large supply of honey for sale this year. Prices: IR£3.50 for 1LB of combhoney (Section) IR£2.50 for 1IB of jarred honey. Respone to the above newsgroup. Tom O'Shea Ireland. Article 9743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: josephj@surf-NOiciSPAM.com (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Staining/Filtration of honey Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:14:18 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5vugfg$avo@news.paonline.com> References: <5vrpqv$4t8@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2-dialup28.surf-ici.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9743 In article <5vrpqv$4t8@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: > >I am in the process of bottling my honey and find that after straining my >honey with an 80 mesh strainer bag I still have minute particles of wax >suspended in the honey. The health food store locally wants "unfiltered >honey" but polished like processed honey. Can anyone help with a means of >accomplishing both without a large capital outlay? -- > Steve, I'm a mear amateur unlike Jack and Peter, but I would suggest optaining a 30 gal or so stainless steel tank , put a gate near the bottom, and allow your honey to settle for a couple of days between straining it and bottleing it. A cheaper alternitive that does about 60lbs at a time, grab a catalog and order a pail with gate. If you have a decent ( for your needs ) size bottler just let the honey sit there for a couple of days. You will find that the bits of wax float to the top after a while..along with the air bubbles. It was absolutly AMAZING how 'polished' my honey looked after allowing it to settle. Good luck and congrats on finding a decent market for your product. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. All incoming unsolicited commercial traffic will therefore be billed at a rate of $500 per msg to compensate for loss of service. Article 9744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: smokey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New York Bees Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:57:45 -0700 Organization: Springs Industries Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34233BA9.6B4A@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: Reply-To: goomba@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.190.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9744 Charles Ali Campbell wrote: > > I'm a former beekeeper, and I have a garden 20 miles outside New York > City. Over the past several years the bee population in our area has > gone down until this year it is near zero. We are on the Hudson river, > not densely built up, a lot of woods. What has happened to the bees? > -- > Ali Campbell, Manager Pak Books on Islam and the Middle East > 220 Rte 9W Box 590 on-line catalog http://www.j51.com/~alicamp/ > Palisades, NY 10964 Phone (Voice/Fax) 914-359-5127 or 359-7547 Verora Mites!!! Article 9745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: glcatlow@aol.com (Glcatlow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? (2) Date: 20 Sep 1997 03:09:10 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <19970920030900.XAA27370@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <5vu18i$oj7$1@netnews.upenn.edu> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9745 >As for them being AHBs, I suspect you'd know by now if they were highly >aggressive. If it's a fairly large hive, that's another basis for >concluding they are not AHB. On the other hand, AHB tend to throw off >more swarms... however, a strong European will also throw off a couple >of swarms a year... I am assuming that AHB stands for Africanized Honey Bees. Per a previous posting, yes, we are south of the AHB line, but the man who collected the swarm said we had a nice colony of gentle Italians. (advancing age, failing eyesight, and the fact that this colony is twenty feet off the ground prevent him from helping with the removal from within the walls.) > >I tend to agree with Pollinator about the desirability of saving the >colony for its potential genetic value. > > I will keep looking, and we may have to put off painting the house until next year anyway ($$$). The possibility of them being a mite resistant strain is reason enough for me to not kill them...plus, I caulked their backdoor closed, so we are no longer sharing the interior of our home with them. They are much easier to live with that way. >As for the removal itself, if you can find a beekeeper who's willing to >do the removal, I'd be happy to discuss the technique (mine at least) >for doing so. If you can easily remove the siding, it should be fairly >easy to do, with a minimum of mess and stings. What if I wanted to save them for myself? This whole experience has been facinating for me, and I think I would like to set this colony up on the property we are going to move to. Is this (as I suspect) the hard way to get into beekeeping? I would hate to have my inexperience wipe out that one-and-only mite resistant hive... But I am interested. Lee Article 9746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.missouri.edu!newshub.more.net!nntp.newsfirst.com!nntp.crosslink.net!zeus.newsfirst.com!not-for-mail From: castor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clean up Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:00:30 -0400 Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <341FFE9E.7C41@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.68.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kronos.crosslink.net 874512076 16779 (None) 206.246.68.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9746 This morning I removed a beehive from between the ceiling of the first floor and the floor of the second floor of my house. Some of the honey fell on the plaster and lathe of the first floor ceiling, and the rough surface prevents easy clean up. Is their any cleaner particularly effective on honey? I would like to prevent staining of the ceiling if possible, but have had no previous experience cleaning honey. Any suggestions would be welcome and appreciated. Thanks. castor@crosslink.net Article 9747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite Research abstracts Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:48:43 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3423D43B.5A4B@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va3-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 20 6:48:10 AM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9747 My wife is a biology major at Old Dominion University. She has a few research paper assignments. She would like to write her papers on mites. We are having problems finding the abstracts to use from primary research. If one of the researchers out there from Beltsville or a university, esp one of Dr. Ambrose' or Dr. Fell's groups could point us at a URL, FTP or Paper publication I would surely appreciate it. I will make these papers available to the community as soon as they are completed. Thank you for your time. Thom Bradley Norfolk, VA Elizabeth City, NC Article 9748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ...Apistan strips Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:16:58 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3424050A.44F@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca9-05.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 20 12:24:05 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9748 I put in my strips three weeks ago and sure enough, the bees filled an entire medium depth super since then. I have to extract it so they will have this super as extract space: I already have given them 60 lbs for the winter in a box above the queen excluder. What can I do with this honey? Is it safe to eat for animals or humans??? thanks, vivian Article 9749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bodiford2@aol.com (Bodiford2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...Apistan strips Date: 20 Sep 1997 17:54:04 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970920175400.NAA08011@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3424050A.44F@ix.netcom.com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9749 You can use it to feed back to the bees! Daniel Bodiford Bodiford2@aol.com Article 9750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bodiford2@aol.com (Bodiford2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? Date: 20 Sep 1997 17:57:40 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19970920175701.NAA02665@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19970919035401.XAA08756@ladder01.news.aol.com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9750 >Subject: Is it too late to collect a hive? Lee, I am a beekeeper in Mineola TX and it's NOT too late to move them as we have the fall for the queen to rebuild.... It's actually our second swarm season here... I just hived a swarm last week! So, you can remove them and hive them. If you need help on how to do this, feel free to email me. Daniel Bodiford Bodiford2@aol.com Article 9751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ClipArt Date: 20 Sep 1997 20:27:56 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bcc603$f2953ec0$8003420c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.3.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9751 Can anyone tell me where on the net I might find some clipart of bees, skeps and other bee related items? I would like to try designing my own honey labels and stationery. any assistance would be appreciated! Thanks, -- Steve Davison Article 9788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News1.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.cancom.net!usenet From: "Jeff and Dee-Anne" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeding Bees in Fall Date: 24 Sep 1997 04:46:42 GMT Organization: Cancom's ION -- Internet Outpost Network. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bcc8a5$57217220$449bfacd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial68.cyberlink.bc.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9788 Hi All I'm New at this whole thing of keeping bees Some ?'s I have is this: 1) what is the proper ratio for sugar water/syrup 2) When should I stop feeding the bees 3) How much should I feed them 4) should I be giving them anything else but Sugarwater/syrup Thanks for any help you can give me J.C fire@cyberlink.bc.ca Article 9789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reality vs. dreaming in bee breeding Date: 24 Sep 1997 04:48:51 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 88 Message-ID: <01bcc8a5$2537bc60$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970922233400.TAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-42.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 23 9:48:51 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9789 HDsearcher wrote in article <19970922233400.TAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com>... | Points taken there Jack. But you need to blow your bugle a little louder, | don't think they heard you in kentucky. --------- they heard me - they just are ignoring the need to get off their duffs and start working at it REALISTICALLY instead of dreaming about it ------------ Granted, chances are very slim | that this one queen could save or change the world. ----------- let's just say your chances of getting lightning struck twice one morning while on the way to work on a cloudless day are MANY times better ----- But the wonder bee | darn sure doesn't have to come from a beekeeper. --------- hmmmm - then where might it come from??? even all the feral colonies here in North and South America ultimately came/come from beekeepers since Apis mellifera is not native here - and in Europe the scientists claim all the wild colonies have perished due to Varroa leaving only beekeeper owned colonies to provide ephemeral feral colonies since the actual native range wild stocks are said to be extinct in the wild for the most part (could be some isolated pocket I suspect in some mountain valley somewhere but that don't mean those bees are VR IF they even exist at all) - so that leaves the Middle East, Africa, and parts of Asia and from what I understand they are having troubles with mites in all those places as well (meaning actual wild honeybee stocks within the native range of such are becoming extinct worldwide leaving only beekeeper owned stocks to provide escapees we know as feral colonies) -------- A high school student | working on a science fair project could come up with a unique idea ----------- with TREMENDOUS good fortune this hypothetical student might come up with a novel treatment concept but breeding a dually mite resistant bee strain ain't even possible within the time frame involved in a science fair project - ever stopped to figure out how many SECURE crosses it takes between two strains each possessing 2 different resistance mechanisms in order to end up with one queen possessing all 4? ever stopped to figure out how long they gotta be tested to even get a good hunch of which are field usable "good bees" simultaneously possessing some decent level of mite resistance? this ain't no overnight project you are discussing - we are talking multiple years of testing even if this hypothetical high school student got so lucky as to make the correct crosses the first go round ---------- or some | other weird accident could happen. It does all the time. ----------- as per my point in my previous post most beekeepers seem to be waiting on that "weird accident" to happen - their choice - but let us consider for a moment what happens if that "weird accident" should happen and "presto" there is bestowed upon us by freak of Nature one glorious HIGHLY and dually mite resistant queen whose bees can survive Untreated in the North unwrapped and produce 50% more honey than the leading contender to boot - what becomes of her? - does anybody even KNOW what they have if they ain't really looking? (if they treat all their bees they ain't looking now are they?) - and the real reality grabber - are they gonna be able from this one solitary queen to produce a viable strain considering the realities of bee genetics which includes the detrimental effects of inbreeding? --------- -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!benburb.demon.co.uk!joe From: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeding from trough Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 06:39:05 GMT Organization: Myorganisation Message-ID: <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: joe@benburb.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: benburb.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9790 In one apiary I have about 20 hives. Has anyone tried trough feeding and what were the results ? I simply lay out a trough of syrup and let the bees come and help themselves. There are no other bee keepers in the area and there are no wasps left at this time of year. I imagine this would save a lot of work over feeding individually. Note: I live in Ireland. -- joe mc cool remove ns from signature The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet: joens@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 861 549860 ======================================================================== Article 9791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.airnews.net!cabal10!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BUCKFAST Queen Supplier in Kansas??? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:50:49 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <60arm6$pk@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Sep 24 05:57:10 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: gw4-ppp67.its.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9791 I just received my September '97 issue of "The Bee Buzzer" from the Northeast Kansas Beekeepers Association. Association President: Richard Bean, 467 E. 1000Rd., Baldwin, KS 66006 In this issue is an adv (apparently) for Buckfast Queens. Is this a new supplier of Buckfast Queens in the U.S.? Here is a copy of the adv: "For Sale: Queens from Gard Otis Buckfast project, mutually mated. Other queens also available. Richard Bean 785-594-2694" So I note that the association's president and the guy offering (apparently) Buckfast Queens are the same fellow (I guess). Is there more than one Buckfast Queen supplier in the U.S. now (other than Weavers)? Has anyone heard of the "Gard Otis Buckfast project"? If so, would you please post some information on this project? Article 9792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reality vs. dreaming in bee breeding Date: 24 Sep 1997 12:57:47 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970924125701.IAA17947@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bcc8a5$2537bc60$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9792 And maybe it's our meddling in the first place that screwed things up. Mother nature always seems to be able to balance herself despite us humans. All I am saying is stranger things in this tiny speck of a world we live in have happened. Oh and you for got to try and hammer me on the "easy up alittle and enjoy life".n I'm sure it will be educational what ever it is. Thank you for your continued support! Article 9793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!sun4nl!194.159.73.9.MISMATCH!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding from trough Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:50:41 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9793 In article <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk>, joe mc cool writes >In one apiary I have about 20 hives. > > I imagine this would save a lot of >work over feeding individually. > >Note: I live in Ireland. > >-- >joe mc cool > >======================================================================= Communal feeding is ok providing you keep the feeder about 100 yards from the hives to reduce the risk of robbing - either by other of your colonies or wild bees. -- Tom Article 9794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BUCKFAST Queen Supplier in Kansas??? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 10:42:23 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <17BF39696S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9794 In article <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.net> busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) writes: > >... September '97 issue of "The Bee Buzzer" >from the Northeast Kansas Beekeepers Association. > ... is an adv (apparently) for Buckfast Queens. >Is this a new supplier of Buckfast Queens in the U.S.? > My understanding (which ain't necessairily so) is that the only royalties paid to the Buckfast Abbey from the lower 48 is paid by the Weavers. Other claims to the Buckfast line are made without paying for the rights. There is no statement made here regarding actual lineage of the stock, just royalties and rights. Apologies in advance if something has changed without my knowledge - it would not be the first time I was asleep at the wheel. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 9795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 70 Afro Swarms Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:08:48 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 216 Message-ID: <3429815F.4F3835FF@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-103-115.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------05DEF4BE73CBBD7671D8BFF5" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9795 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------05DEF4BE73CBBD7671D8BFF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check this out for the latest "killer bee" hype from California. So very little of this is factual that it is hard to call it "news", but it is interesting to note the number of swarm calls at a time when others are reporting the loss of wild bees. But then I am sure the same county department has a press release on the "loss of wildbees" because of mites, could it be that when you actually hire skilled people to kill swarms it would cause some loss of the wildbee populations. The idea that the Tex-Mex bees are being delayed by Varroa mites does not stand up to examination of the fact which are that these bees are supposed to have moved from Brazil that has had for many years a low level of Varroa mites but strange as it sounds no mention of finding any mites on these bees as they moved north until this year in one report from Texas. This is as strange as having these bees cross the Amazon without leaving any resident populations. This is the first time I have seen it presented as a fact that the first official "killer bee" swarm was trucked in on oil rig pipes from S.A. I am sure that if one were to check the facts you would find that NO drilling pipes are moved from S.A. to the US without years delay in that movement from any port to the Kern, County, Calif. area. This really matters not because this "official" first find was not by a few years the first find of African Bee's in California which were found on a public golf course or park and has been the only hive to measure up by all tests to be 100% pure blood African, and as far as I know is still doing well adjacent to a equestrian trail without bother to any person or animals. The story continues to repeat false numbers of people killed in S.A. along the killer bee trail but who would expect less from these men from our government who are here to help us and gave us the story of the "killer bees" in their area that got off a not so fast moving freight train on its way to the end of track at the Canadian boarder. Everyone should note carefully the last paragraph which also is the first official pronouncement of the decline of the influence of the VAMPIRE mites on wild honeybees, now that is real news and something that has been reported this year by others trying to maintain Varroa mites for study for the first time and not being able to find any, and a few beekeepers who are not or have not treated their bees for Varroa and don't have any. ttul, IMHO the OLd Drone Check out the story at: http://www.hotcoco.com/news/state/stories/slw39588.htm --------------05DEF4BE73CBBD7671D8BFF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="40swarms.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="40swarms.txt" http://www.hotcoco.com/news/state/stories/slw39588.htm Pair gets buzz from killer job with bees Hot CoCo
Published on September 22, 1997

Pair gets buzz from killer job with bees

  • Duo uses soapsuds to exerminate Africanized killer bees in Southern California

ASSOCIATED PRESS

SANTA ANA -- Who ya gonna call when you find a horde of killer bees buzzing about your yard?

The bee busters.

Jesse Palomera and Scott McLaughlin have been at the front line against the Africanized honeybee, a six-legged, fur-fringed menace that is crowding its way into Southern California.

In the two years since the Africanized honeybee first hitched a ride into California aboard a pipe truck in 1995, the sprawling 4,000 square miles of Imperial County on the Mexican border have become completely colonized.

Within a year, the bee has made inroads into Riverside and San Diego counties and is poised to leap into Los Angeles and Orange counties.

With special training as bee busters, Palomera, McLaughlin and five other Imperial County vector-control technicians become the state's expert team for zapping killer-bee colonies. Swarms of the bees have muscled into California after a 40-year trek from South America.

The technicians average 15 calls a day about the bees, which they attack with simple soap suds while wearing head nets, gauntlets and slick white bee suits made of slippery nylon cloth.

"Soap and water. That's what works best on bees," says Tom Wolf, manager of the county's environmental health division. "But don't try it at home. Let us handle it."

After being sprayed with a soapy mist, the bees fall to the ground and suffocate as the soap clogs their breathing tubes, Wolf says.

Palomera says that if the swarm is conveniently dangling from a low branch, the technician can spritz it with an ordinary garden hand sprayer. If the nest is not readily accessible, the technicians use power sprayers mounted on the backs of their pickups.

Bees swarm when they're looking for a new home, usually dangling from the branch of a tree, or from the eaves of a building, until they find a permanent nesting place.

"You want to get them while they're outside and swarming. Once they've made a nest, you've got a fight on your hands," Wolf says.

The Imperial County agricultural commissioner has reported more than 70 DNA-confirmed swarms, but only three stingings.

After killing the swarm, the technician sweeps up the furry corpses, selecting 50 or so for storage at the lab in case further study is needed.

The techs also leave behind a baited trap to pick up the scouts and stragglers who weren't around for the soap bath.

Since escaping from a laboratory in Brazil in 1956, the Africanized honeybee so far has killed more than 1,000 people during its relentless four-decade march north. In 1977, 300 people died from killer-bee attacks in Venezuela alone.

Since the bee arrived in the United States seven years ago, three people have died in Texas from attacks, and two others were seriously injured in Arizona. Since the bee crossed into California in 1995, there have been at least three attacks, though no serious injuries.

The migration of killer bees into California has been slower than anticipated, however, largely because of an unexpected ally, a microscopic parasitic mite that has been killing off the feral bee population.

But the outbreak of bee mites has subsided, and experts think now that the killer bee gradually will continue colonizing all of Southern California.

Edition: SRVT,  Section: A,  Page: 12

© 1997 Contra Costa Newspapers Inc.

--------------05DEF4BE73CBBD7671D8BFF5-- Article 9796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? (2) Date: 24 Sep 1997 21:45:21 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 198 Message-ID: <60c1lh$84j$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <5vu18i$oj7$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19970920030900.XAA27370@ladder02.news.aol.com> <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9796 Jack Griffes (NoSpamWanted@spamfree.xyz) wrote: : in which case DUE CAUTION is advised - as per don't be charging : in where angels fear to tread - before you proceed get them bees : tested to see if they are or are not AHB - tested by a Bee Lab : even AHB swarms are gentle so his swarm capture assessment don't : mean much and ya can't tell by eyeball examination either even : if ya got good eyes Can't argue with that, particularly since the context is of a new beekeeper. : IMO the greatest genetic resources are within the colonies of : beekeepers - colonies that can have an accurate history, a known : pedigree, and can be accurately assessed. Wishful thinkers we : all love to be but odds are not good that we are going to find a : single glorious queen that can bestow the world with genetic : mite resistance - rather it is IMO going to take a WHOLE LOT of : beekeepers working together with their combined MANY thousands : of colonies to breed a HIGHLY mite resistant strain - see : Honeybee Improvement Program at : http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/HIP1 I have examined your program via the webpage, and am very impressed; and for that matter called a few weeks ago to see about ordering some queens for next year (a child answered the phone and informed me that their dad was not there...) (out getting stung no doubt!) And I agree that well-thought out and executed breeding programs are probably our most likely to be successful means of obtaining a mite resistant bee. BUT... this doesn't negate the fact that ANYTHING that has survived this far into the epidemic is well worth looking at. By definition, they have been selected for survival. Even if the only reason for this is that they haven't been exposed, that may have some significance... maybe this strain's drones are less free-ranging or more discriminating about where they spend the night... And from a less mite-centric perspective, feral colonies may also be desirable for other characteristics, i.e., those having to do with the ability to survive without human intervention. This can range from disease tolerance to defense to foraging habits. Sure it's optimistic to think that some of the surviving feral bees may have some combination of resistant characteristics, but it's not necessarily wishful thinking. When you consider how many feral colonies were out there you have to consider that the population consisted/consists of a huge number of genetic combinations. Surely it's more than wishful thinking to think that the survivors of that population are worthy of scrutinizing carefully for mite or other stressor resistance... ? : | What if I wanted to save them for myself? This whole : experience has been : | facinating for me, and I think I would like to set this colony : up on the : | property we are going to move to. Is this (as I suspect) the : hard way to : | get into beekeeping? I would hate to have my inexperience : wipe out that : | one-and-only mite resistant hive... But I am interested. Well, it's probably not the easiest way to begin, but I wouldn't recommend against it, caveats considered... just get some experienced help and get them tested... : . : Let there be NO doubt that if you kill this one hive as you try : to learn how to be a good bee steward that the world will not : come to an end - the genetics of this one queen might at best : (IF she even has a pinch of resistance at all which is most : unlikely) Why? I just don't understand this... Two years ago everyone was lamenting the imminent dissapearance of the feral population. Now that this has more or less happened, I would think that ANYTHING that survived is worth looking at... help in the effort to breed toward mite resistance and : only then IF that queen, her virgin daughters, and drones are : put to use in a serious mite resistance breeding program that : includes either AI or a SECURE Mating Station (or both) to : effect known crosses and then thorougly test them. And what about those drones that cross the line into somebody else's yard (how dare they!) or find a virgin queen from another survivor colony? EVERY year : we in HIP have colonies in our test yards pull through STRONG : untreated for mites in any way - not every test colony does but : always some do. And by definition, some of those test colonies are also probably worth looking at for resistance. I don't know what statistical tests you are using to ascertain "significantly" different survival rates between the test populations and the improved populations, but it's worth bearing in mind that the test stock may not be homogeneous (though maybe you are breeding them to be close to it) Still, isn't your whole "stock" probably evolving...? If your test stock descends from the survivors of previous test stock, don't you end up with test colonies that are themselves somewhat resistant? (This should make things interesting, actually, because it would, in general, reduce the observable difference between current samples' survival rates - even if compared to bees of three years ago all your samples are more resistant) We ain't IMO looking for a magic bullet in the : form of one queen - we are looking to improve the genetic : combinations that lead to increased resistance - this takes time : and LOTS of colonies under test. Absolutely, but it still doesn't dictate that the bullet isn't out there... And since your using magic bullets as the metaphor, let me extend it a bit. Let's say you've got a situation where a town is infested with werewolves... and the prey population is armed, but with a variety of weapons. After a couple of full moons, whom are you going to expect to be left? Answer: The survivors armed with magic (silver) bullets, a few of the smarter werewolves, the symbiotes, and the tort attorneys... (my apologies to all of you in the legal profession but I couldn't resist... or chose not to....) Now granted, this presupposes a fairly large town, but the feral population was, by most accounts huge... Oddly enough most beekeepers : seem to prefer the dreamers view of that "one lucky queen" : rather than the reality of all the hard work involved in : breeding toward mite resistant bees - and I prior to HIP thought : that beekeepers tended to be realists - not no more I don't. We : do need more good realist beekeepers realism includes the capacity to evaluate all possibilities and keep an open mind (well... I can just feel the price of those queens going way up!!!) (I sure hope most of mine get their own genes together!) - those willing to pitch in : and help out - those willing to test their stock even though : other work is pressing - those willing to leave a small : percentage of their very best stock completely untreated as the : ultimate test - those willing to cooperate in sharing stock for : use in AI - those willing to put their time, their money, and : their best colonies where their mouth is saying they "want mite : resistant bees." All of this is true... so how do I send you some queens? The only treatment mine have seen for 3 years (and yes they were exposed!) was mint syrup last fall... I've forgone the testing because I don't have a large enough sample of colonies to do anything statistically significant. What I do know is that I haven't seen any mites since last summer... that I haven't treated with anything this year (used mint oil last summer) and that most of my 30 hives are descended from feral stock or feral-managed stock mixes. I purchased some nukes earlier this year and promptly requeened with descendents from the last two years' survivors... The plan for next year is to double my colonies and start some testing and observation. Just picked up a used outbuilding at an auction for use as a means of observing candidate bees via observation hives... : Feel free to hope Nature will just pop out a high producing : dually mite resistant bee all on her own. But realize that us : beekeepers do so much messing with the genetics of those feral : bees well, there was a lot of pretty feral stock out here (in PA) at least up until a few years ago. For example, we had a lot of black bees in the feral population. These are probably descendents of the German black bee brought over decades/centuries ago... Nature does have a way of adapting to situations - for all we know it will be the mites that do the adapting! (Think about that!) After all, if their host doesn't survive the winter neither do they, correct? that odds are pretty poor it will happen thata way. : Rather our best hope IMO lies in replicating as near as possible : the efforts of the late Brother Adam - making tons of crosses : looking for the rare few that pop out new possibilities. Sure : enough sounds like a wiser approach to me when the potential : peril in not having a mite resistant bee could be so far : reaching. Sure enough involves A LOT of work done carefully as : well. Sure enough is hard to find folks willing to pitch in and : help do it. Can't argue with Brother Adam can I? But I'm not so certain that he wouldn't be advocating saving this colony, given the circumstances - you're talking about a guy that braved quite a few perils in the search for varied stock... : If you wish to be a good steward of the bees then get ya some : good help and AFTER getting them actually checked by the Bee Lab : for AHB and finding them negative - after that then dive in. : But realize that AHB are not agressive IOW they do not go about : looking for trouble - they are HIGHLY Defensive - meaning you : mess with them the wrong way and they will retaliate fast and : furious which is decidely not something a newbie should be : taking a chance on when said newbie lives inside the known AHB : zone. Sound Advice! - Dave T. Article 9797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for info re: yellow jackets Date: 24 Sep 1997 21:55:38 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 8 Message-ID: <60c28q$84j$2@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <606n3c$h20@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> <01bcc838$495719a0$50368c9f@rpg0667> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9797 There are a lot of different types... Some nest in the ground, some in cavities (e.g., attics) and some in enclosed but somewhat open places (e.g., engine compartments!) As for preventative treatment... It's labor intensive, but you can go around your roof and exterior walls and caulk up any nice small potential entry holes... A lot of work but still less laborious and less expensive then a removal! Article 9798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Thom Bradley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding from trough Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:55:39 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34299A6B.7986@ix.netcom.com> References: <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: nor-va5-07.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 24 5:57:13 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9798 joe mc cool wrote: > Has anyone tried trough feeding and what were the results ? > > I simply lay out a trough of syrup and let the bees come and help > themselves. > Note: I live in Ireland. > joe mc cool Joe, Some keepers here in the Norfolk, VA area recently began using this method, for them it works great. In my yard it stimulates great battles in the vecinity of the food no matter nectar flow or not. In addition, I may expect this to be too much work for a very weak colony that could be saved with a heavy application in a hive. For regular strong colonies in good weather I can't find fault if your bees don't fight it out. I'll be requeening all hives this year so I'll try again next year with this method as I know some colonies have homemade queens. This may improve their behavior. Thom Bradley Article 9799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ulowell.uml.edu!news.onramp.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BUCKFAST Queen Supplier in Kansas??? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:09:12 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 23 Message-ID: <61A8D75522CF133D.1F9D1E71C024C162.F9507FD8C20FB6BF@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <60c7og$c8u@library.airnews.net> References: <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.net> <17BF39696S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Sep 24 18:29:20 1997 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal13-21.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9799 SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >>busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) writes: >> >>... September '97 issue of "The Bee Buzzer" >>from the Northeast Kansas Beekeepers Association. >> ... is an adv (apparently) for Buckfast Queens. >>Is this a new supplier of Buckfast Queens in the U.S.? > > the only royalties paid to the Buckfast Abbey from the lower 48 is paid by the >Weavers. .... just royalties and rights. Aaron, This is my (current) understanding also. This is why I found it interesting that someone else was advertising for sell Buckfast bees in the U.S. I would have thought that the "rights" you mention would have given the Weavers the exclusive right to use the term 'Buckfast' honeybees. But I was not familiar with the "Gard Otis Buckfast bee project" (thinking perhaps, this is some kind of "approved" project by the Weavers and/or Buckfast Abbey). Article 9800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Finding Almond Pollination in Calif. Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:25:56 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3429A183.899DF473@calwest.net> References: <328A312D.4BA9@snds.com> <56a63c$m2@s02-brighton.pavilion.co.uk> <9709210958042620@beenet.com> <34269683.4825@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-103-115.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: Elroy Rogers Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9800 Elroy Rogers wrote: > How can I find information on growers in > california, texas or florida that need bees for polination? Is there a > web site or publication for the growers? I tried finding info on growers > in california on the web, but had no luck. Well, I just checked and had not problems finding many California Almond grower sites using YAHOO. Also check out the news groups for orchardists I don't know of any beekeeping web pages that are looking for bees to rent, but with almost 3,000 beekeeping web pages of one kind or another it is getting to be near impossible to keep up with their content. Central California Newspapers that advertise beekeeping supplies, bee hives, trucks w/loaders, and pollination: http://www.modbee.com/classcs/clas0950.htm http://www.fresnobee.com/ads/today/6050.htmlI would watch the classified ads in the Fresno and Modesto Bee. Most are beekeepers looking for a home for their bees in the almonds, but this is a good place to advertise. Also use the many search engines and look for almond grower hang outs. > . This year my colonies are going along with another > beekeepers bees to california for winter. This is the good way to get started if the other beekeepers have a home for your bees in California.WARNING, just moving bees to some location without a solid contract can cause financial hardships that are not easy to overcome. Only this week beekeepers in this area have had contacts for several thousand hives that have never been in California that are looking to move here with NO pollination contacts at all and could not place them as they have more then enough hives to take care of their growers.. > I would like to find some source at the polination end in advance. Any info > would be really > apreciated. We call them Pollination Pimps', people who make money from renting others bees to growers, more often then not they make claims for your bees that you can not live up too, anyway they are another source of pollination rentals and sometimes much trouble. They run ad's in the Beekeeping Journal's, local newspapers, and at times are active in other states at beekeeper meeting looking for bees to rent, more times then not because they could not live up to their commitments to other beekeepers and must continually recruit new beekeepers. One should be very careful who he lets take in his bees because some sorry beekeepers have spent all they made finding their own hives, sometimes years later, other never get paid.. Relie on the good experiences of beekeepers you know and stay away from the pie in the sky guys looking to make a fast buck off of your investment in the bee business. Good Luck, IMHO, the OLd Drone Article 9801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Screen Saver Date: 25 Sep 1997 04:05:56 GMT Organization: ConnectUp Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bcc95f$b331e940$4cb00fcf@default-> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp46.cheta.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!tuna.connectup.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9801 I am looking for a Bee screen saver for a great friend and though you all would be the best resource. Please help me find one if you know about one. Thanks a million, Bryan Article 9802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bryan Carriker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Screen Saver Date: 25 Sep 1997 04:16:27 GMT Organization: ConnectUp Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bcc961$2bd19f20$4cb00fcf@default-> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp46.cheta.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!tuna.connectup.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9802 I am looking for a Bee screen saver for a great friend and though you all would be the best resource. Please help me find one if you know about one. Thanks a million, Bryan Article 9803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!iagnet.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding from trough Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:44:13 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3429a384.1295057196@news.earthlink.net> References: <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.196.161 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9803 Tom Speight wrote: >>======================================================================= >Communal feeding is ok providing you keep the feeder about 100 yards >from the hives to reduce the risk of robbing - either by other of your >colonies or wild bees. > >-- >Tom Good caution, Tom. A downside from communal feeding is that the strong hives get most of the feed, and the weak ones tend to remain light. Might need to move supers or frames around after the feeding period. Communal feeding from a trough near the apiary feeds only in the daylight, versus something inside the hive that feeds day and night without the bees searching for it. Regards, John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 9804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dual mite resistant bee breeding Date: 25 Sep 1997 04:02:26 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 419 Message-ID: <01bcc967$c662a7e0$ae6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5vu18i$oj7$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19970920030900.XAA27370@ladder02.news.aol.com> <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <60c1lh$84j$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 24 9:02:26 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9804 David J Trickett wrote in article <60c1lh$84j$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... | Jack Griffes (NoSpamWanted@spamfree.xyz) wrote: | : IMO the greatest genetic resources are within the colonies of | : beekeepers - colonies that can have an accurate history, a known | : pedigree, and can be accurately assessed. Wishful thinkers we | : all love to be but odds are not good that we are going to find a | : single glorious queen that can bestow the world with genetic | : mite resistance - rather it is IMO going to take a WHOLE LOT of | : beekeepers working together with their combined MANY thousands | : of colonies to breed a HIGHLY mite resistant strain - see | : Honeybee Improvement Program at | : http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/HIP1.html | | I have examined your program via the webpage, and am very impressed; | and for that matter called a few weeks ago to see about ordering some | queens for next year (a child answered the phone and informed me that | their dad was not there...) (out getting stung no doubt!) And I agree | that well-thought out and executed breeding programs are probably our | most likely to be successful means of obtaining a mite resistant bee. -------- good - sorry the kids did not do a better job of phone answering - of course it may have been the kindergartener that is none to adapt at taking down notes as of yet ------ | BUT... this doesn't negate the fact that ANYTHING that has survived this | far into the epidemic is well worth looking at. ---------- IF they actually survived all this time - most times the feral colony you see today ain't been there very long as per under the two year mark - and even then ya don't now but what they may have just superseded the good queen mated to the proper drones (that bestowed some resistance on the workers) and now you are stuck with a queen that ain't quite what Mama was and got bred to highly susceptible drones off somebodies "mite magnet" strain ------- By definition, they | have been selected for survival. ------- again IF they actually survived all that time - which is pretty doubtful - we keep our eye out for such feral stock ya see - one year we had our eyes on 6 feral colonies going into winter - ZERO made it into the next Summer - but of course those cavities were left open as prime swarm traps ya see --------- Even if the only reason for this is | that they haven't been exposed, that may have some significance... maybe | this strain's drones are less free-ranging or more discriminating about | where they spend the night... ------------- some bees with apparent resistance (not HIGH) that we have tested used "raising nearly zero or even zero drones" as a means of keeping the mite load down - but of course that has some serious drawbacks in other regards and is something Nature would not select for as reproductive fitness is essential to survival under Nature's terms of "survival of the fittest" ---------- And from a less mite-centric perspective, | feral colonies may also be desirable for other characteristics, i.e., | those having to do with the ability to survive without human | intervention. This can range from disease tolerance to defense to | foraging habits. -------- all of which can be better assessed if the colony is in a hive you can examine and record the results and accurately compare them to others undergoing the same test ------------------ | Sure it's optimistic to think that some of the surviving feral bees may | have some combination of resistant characteristics, but it's not | necessarily wishful thinking. When you consider how many feral | colonies were out there you have to consider that the population | consisted/consists of a huge number of genetic combinations. Surely | it's more than wishful thinking to think that the survivors of that | population are worthy of scrutinizing carefully for mite or other | stressor resistance... ? ------- we keep looking under that same hope but I must report we ain't finding much of value from "feral" stock - but some year we might - meanwhile it remains FAR more reliable to work with "good beestock" and breed it toward increasing resistance while waiting for the "magic bullet" to hopefully appear and "save the day" --------------- | : . | : Let there be NO doubt that if you kill this one hive as you try | : to learn how to be a good bee steward that the world will not | : come to an end - the genetics of this one queen might at best | : (IF she even has a pinch of resistance at all which is most | : unlikely) | | Why? I just don't understand this... Two years ago everyone was | lamenting the imminent dissapearance of the feral population. Now that | this has more or less happened, I would think that ANYTHING that | survived is worth looking at... IF it actually survived is the point here. IF it was a survivor of several years IF it did have the original queen - then yes it would be worth a look-see alright - which is why we keep looking at "claimed" multi-year feral colonies but oddly enough they keep on dieing on us when we test them. Odds are that almost every feral colony out there in the Nothern USA is just a recent castoff from a hive started from a Southern package - not some genetic marvel of feral origin at all. | help in the effort to breed toward mite resistance and | : only then IF that queen, her virgin daughters, and drones are | : put to use in a serious mite resistance breeding program that | : includes either AI or a SECURE Mating Station (or both) to | : effect known crosses and then thorougly test them. | | And what about those drones that cross the line into somebody else's | yard (how dare they!) or find a virgin queen from another survivor colony? --------- you control the drones you use in AI as well to insure you don't get scrubs from the neighbors - pretty simple too if your drones are theirs are different colors -------- --------- as to the meaning of "SECURE" in regards to a mating station - this means you can put several absolutely drone free nucs therein, give them each a cell or a virgin and one month later when you come back NOT ONE will be mated - after passing that test of security then you can bring in the desired drone source and rest quite well assured that the desired cross will be effected --------- | | EVERY year | : we in HIP have colonies in our test yards pull through STRONG | : untreated for mites in any way - not every test colony does but | : always some do. | | And by definition, some of those test colonies are also probably worth | looking at for resistance. -------- they would NEVER make it into a HIP test yard if they weren't ------- I don't know what statistical tests you are | using to ascertain "significantly" different survival rates between the | test populations and the improved populations, but it's worth bearing in | mind that the test stock may not be homogeneous (though maybe you are | breeding them to be close to it) Still, isn't your whole "stock" | probably evolving...? If your test stock descends from the survivors of | previous test stock, don't you end up with test colonies that are | themselves somewhat resistant? ---------- that is precisely the point - the entire strain is evolving toward the various things we select for - this recall is a breeding program NOT a research project - the farmer trying to up his per cow milk production does not need to test his cows against the old stock - he simply needs to keep breeding toward his "picture of perfection" ------------- (This should make things interesting, | actually, because it would, in general, reduce the observable difference | between current samples' survival rates - even if compared to bees of | three years ago all your samples are more resistant) ----------- yep - but you need to realize we have over 5,000 colonies from which to pick potential candidates for testing so things remain quite diverse to date ----------- | We ain't IMO looking for a magic bullet in the | : form of one queen - we are looking to improve the genetic | : combinations that lead to increased resistance - this takes time | : and LOTS of colonies under test. | | Absolutely, but it still doesn't dictate that the bullet isn't out | there... And since your using magic bullets as the metaphor, let me | extend it a bit. Let's say you've got a situation where a town is | infested with werewolves... and the prey population is armed, but with a | variety of weapons. After a couple of full moons, whom are you going to | expect to be left? Answer: The survivors armed with magic (silver) | bullets, a few of the smarter werewolves, the symbiotes, and the tort | attorneys... (my apologies to all of you in the legal profession but I | couldn't resist... or chose not to....) Now granted, this presupposes a | fairly large town, but the feral population was, by most accounts huge... ---------------- in MI the feral population used to do 50% of the pickle pollination in fields where rented hives were placed according to pre-mite research done by MSU - now we have growers calling saying "I went out in the field and didn't see one single honeybee" if they failed to rent some pollination units --------------- | | Oddly enough most beekeepers | : seem to prefer the dreamers view of that "one lucky queen" | : rather than the reality of all the hard work involved in | : breeding toward mite resistant bees - and I prior to HIP thought | : that beekeepers tended to be realists - not no more I don't. We | : do need more good realist beekeepers | | realism includes the capacity to evaluate all possibilities and keep an | open mind (well... I can just feel the price of those queens going way | up!!!) (I sure hope most of mine get their own genes together!) ---------- jab away friend - I have been there and done that which is why I am talking from the standpoint of realism - gosh have you ever looked through the remants of a 1,500 colony operation left untreated? trust me it ain't a pretty sight - we (me and the owner) found only 8 colonies semi-worthy for consideration as HIP breeders outta the approximately 300 that "survived" (most so weak that "survived" is used mighty loosely in conjuction with their condition) ------------- | - those willing to pitch in | : and help out - those willing to test their stock even though | : other work is pressing - those willing to leave a small | : percentage of their very best stock completely untreated as the | : ultimate test - those willing to cooperate in sharing stock for | : use in AI - those willing to put their time, their money, and | : their best colonies where their mouth is saying they "want mite | : resistant bees." | | All of this is true... so how do I send you some queens? ----------- IF the (USA & Canada only - due to federal regulations) stock has actually recieved NO mite treatments at all - this includes NO drone trapping, NO grease patties, NO extender patties, NO essential oils, NO Mavrik, NO Apistan, No smoke strips, NO nothing that is known to kill mites or reduce the mites reproductive fitness in any way - IF that THEN come Spring when we can make a home for them ya put them in queen cages with YOUNG attendants and ship them to me. It takes us 2 years to test them so don't expect overnight answers to whether or not it was worth the trouble. The only | treatment mine have seen for 3 years (and yes they were exposed!) was mint | syrup last fall... I've forgone the testing because I don't have a | large enough sample of colonies to do anything statistically | significant. What I do know is that I haven't seen any mites since | last summer... that I haven't treated with anything this year (used | mint oil last summer) and that most of my 30 hives are descended from | feral stock or feral-managed stock mixes. I purchased some nukes | earlier this year and promptly requeened with descendents from the last | two years' survivors... The plan for next year is to double my | colonies and start some testing and observation. Just picked | up a used outbuilding at an auction for use as a means of observing | candidate bees via observation hives... --------- I can't tell you how VERY glad I am that you are actively trying to do something to breed toward better bees more able to survive and thrive under current conditions - I wish more beekeepers would do the same --------------- | : Feel free to hope Nature will just pop out a high producing | : dually mite resistant bee all on her own. But realize that us | : beekeepers do so much messing with the genetics of those feral | : bees | | well, there was a lot of pretty feral stock out here (in PA) at least | up until a few years ago. For example, we had a lot of black bees in | the feral population. These are probably descendents of the German | black bee brought over decades/centuries ago... ---------- If you have descendants from that actual old time feral stock then you may indeed have some genetic combinations not commonly available from the Southern queen rearers. ----------- | Nature does have a way of adapting to situations - for all we know it | will be the mites that do the adapting! (Think about that!) After all, | if their host doesn't survive the winter neither do they, correct? ----------- a most astute observation - INDEED when you undertake the task of breeding mite resistant bees you WILL simultaneously begin to breed the mites to be less virulent IF you do not take measures to prevent such ------------- | that odds are pretty poor it will happen thata way. | : Rather our best hope IMO lies in replicating as near as possible | : the efforts of the late Brother Adam - making tons of crosses | : looking for the rare few that pop out new possibilities. Sure | : enough sounds like a wiser approach to me when the potential | : peril in not having a mite resistant bee could be so far | : reaching. Sure enough involves A LOT of work done carefully as | : well. Sure enough is hard to find folks willing to pitch in and | : help do it. | | Can't argue with Brother Adam can I? But I'm not so certain that he | wouldn't be advocating saving this colony, given the circumstances - | you're talking about a guy that braved quite a few perils in the search | for varied stock... ---------- I can almost hear him now saying "mongrel stock" - he did not have a very high regard for most American bee strains - recall he looked for "pure" strains in their native range and then carefully bred combinations therefrom - nothing willy nilly about it - of course we in the USA do not have the option to use "pure" races in our crosses as essentially there are NONE save possibly YUGO (if and only IF it has been maintained via AI within pure Carnica lines - no American "Carnica" mixed in IOW) - so we must use all our mongrels and do the best with what we have to work with - don't ya wish the USDA would allow us to import just honeybee semen even from some of the European Varroa Resistance breeding programs (like Buchler's for but one example) - it could surely help and to date no known bee diseases nor bee pests have been PROVEN to be transmitted via honeybee semen so it seems to be a very safe means of bringing in potentially helpful genetics material in a careful way BUT they say "no way" ---------- -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding Bees in Fall Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:59:14 +0100 Organization: nortel Lines: 47 Message-ID: <342A19D2.204@enterprise.net> References: <01bcc8a5$57217220$449bfacd@default> Reply-To: beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9805 Jeff and Dee-Anne wrote: > > Hi All > > I'm New at this whole thing of keeping bees > Some ?'s I have is this: > > 1) what is the proper ratio for sugar water/syrup > 2 Lbs sugar to 1 pint water > 2) When should I stop feeding the bees > When the bees don't take any more > 3) How much should I feed them > see 2, the bees know best > 4) should I be giving them anything else but Sugarwater/syrup > If you have a Nosema problem you can add Fumidol B (spelling may be off!), here in the UK we can duy it in paks for 3 hives, I can't remember the dosage rate. If you use this it's difficult to get it to dissolve, I mix it with the sugar before adding the water and then add the hot water (direct from a domestic hot water system is hot enough) slowly while I stir the mixture vigourously. That is what I have done previously but this year, last night in fact, I'm using Thymol crystals (15gm per hive dissolved in an egg cup full of surgical spirit [alcohol] and added to 2 gal of syrup), I have no knowledge of how effective this treatment is. > Thanks for any help you can give me > > J.C > fire@cyberlink.bc.ca -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reality vs. dreaming in bee breeding Date: 25 Sep 1997 02:28:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 66 Message-ID: <01bcc95a$bf9b5900$ae6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcc8a5$2537bc60$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970924125701.IAA17947@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 24 7:28:56 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9806 HDsearcher wrote in article <19970924125701.IAA17947@ladder01.news.aol.com>... | And maybe it's our meddling in the first place that screwed things up. --------- this is undeniably the most likely possibility ----------- | Mother nature always seems to be able to balance herself despite us humans. ---------- recall that "she" uses extinction as one means of doing her book balancing as well - that looks like the option "she" would pick with Apis mellifera currently and we just can't get along with it due to their importance as pollinators ----------- | All I am saying is stranger things in this tiny speck of a world we live | in have happened. --------- absolutely - it is possible you or I could get struck by lightning twice one morning of the way to work on a cloudless day too - just ain't real likely ---------- | Oh and you for got to try and hammer me on the "easy up alittle and enjoy | life".n --------- trust me I wasn't "hammering on" you at all - I am a farrier by trade so I am real good at "hammering on" things HARD and surely would have noticed if that was what was a-happenin' - all I was doing my friend was presenting the facts with which I am all too familiar due to HIP - so when it appeared you were taking a jab at me I just snipped it rather than reply to it thus keeping the post in an "enlightening" rather than a defensive vein (got the picture now?) ----- I'm sure it will be educational what ever it is. -------- yep it woulda been ------ Thank you for | your continued support! You are most kindly welcome. Note that even hobbyists could/should actually help out in the effort to breed dually mite resistant bees IF they would get their regional clubs to function as a HIP Cooperator or something along that model. Ultimately we need all the fragmented efforts to pitch in and work together (at least within similar climates) if we are to best accomplish the daunting task in the least amount of time (since we don't really know how much time we have) and with the most effecient use of resources. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BUCKFAST Queen Supplier in Kansas??? Date: 25 Sep 1997 02:58:50 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 81 Message-ID: <01bcc95e$efb72fc0$ae6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 24 7:58:50 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9807 BusyKnight wrote in article <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy airnews.net>... | I just received my September '97 issue of "The Bee Buzzer" | from the Northeast Kansas Beekeepers Association. | Association President: Richard Bean, 467 E. 1000Rd., | Baldwin, KS 66006 | | In this issue is an adv (apparently) for Buckfast Queens. | Is this a new supplier of Buckfast Queens in the U.S.? As of this Spring when I was up at Guelph, Ontario speaking to the Ontario Bee Breeders Association (including the Ontario Buckfast Breeders) the official Abbey recognized Buckfast Breeders for North America included 4 breeders in Ontario (University of Guelph and 3 others) and I believe a couple in another province as well. Oddly enough Weavers were not on the Abbey's official list of breeders these folks had in hand on Abbey letterhead and it included EVERY official Buckfast Breeder in the world (go figure). | Here is a copy of the adv: | | "For Sale: Queens from Gard Otis Buckfast project, | mutually mated. Other queens also available. | Richard Bean 785-594-2694" | | So I note that the association's president and the | guy offering (apparently) Buckfast Queens are the | same fellow (I guess). Is there more than one | Buckfast Queen supplier in the U.S. now (other | than Weavers)? Has anyone heard of the "Gard | Otis Buckfast project"? If so, would you please | post some information on this project? | Dr. Gard Otis is the one that invited me to speak at Guelph. He is a University researcher there though he is a US citizen (a Michigander). He played a leading role in bringing Buckfast breeding stock into Canada from Europe a few years ago as the Canadians began in more earnest to work on breeding Tracheal Mite Resistant bees. It might be noted that their efforts have been quite successful and have included close work with actual beekeepers as well which is IMO critical to the continuance of any research driven bee breeding project. It is also worthy of note that now as Canada begins to feel the effects of Varroa that they are (at least in Ontario) beginning to work on breeding at least a bit toward Varroa resistance as well. Their 10 year independence from the package cycle has left them looking to adapt well to changing circumstances. It is verily true that NO ONE is allowed to legally use "Buckfast" in advertising without Abbey approval - obtaining approval includes getting breeder stock with Abbey permission from a official breeder AND maintaining pedigrees on the various crosses made within your breeders AND paying the Royalty on queens sold in any form (mated, virgin, cell) which a believe is "one pound per queen" at the moment if my memory is not failing me. If they are an official breeder you will most likely see the official Buckfast Abbey seal appearing in their ads. Lots of folks breed Buckfast crosses but you cannot legally advertise using the word Buckfast without meeting the Abbey's terms. If you live in the USA you can buy Buckfast Queens from any of the Canadian Buckfast Breeders - that is the ONLY foriegn country you can buy queens from - check the regs on the Internet if you like - I did and I believe I put a link to them on my bee links page as well. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Laying Queen Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:45:30 +0100 Organization: nortel Lines: 22 Message-ID: <342A169A.7989@enterprise.net> References: <6071dk$4fg1@news.midusa.net> <01bcc879$47ef62c0$287ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> Reply-To: beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9808 Chip McCurdy wrote: > > From my experience, I have found that a drone laying queen doesn't last > long in a hive. Mother nature will replace her. > -- > Chip McCurdy > Ambrosia Apiaries > Perry, GA USA > [Beeman@hom.net] > big snip... How come? Surely the only way this can happen is that a new swarm with a regular Queen takes over. OTOH if ther are no workers being produced then ther won't be any to look after either the Queen or the brood so the hive will die. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reality vs. dreaming in bee breeding Date: 25 Sep 1997 11:56:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 134 Message-ID: <01bcc9aa$1859e8a0$876ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970922233400.TAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bcc8a5$2537bc60$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <342A1E67.714D@enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 25 4:56:41 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9809 Adrian Kyte wrote in article <342A1E67.714D@enterprise.net>... | Jack Griffes wrote: | big snip.. | | > IF they even exist at all) - so that leaves the Middle East, | > Africa, and parts of Asia and from what I understand they are | > having troubles with mites in all those places as well (meaning | > actual wild honeybee stocks within the native range of such are | > becoming extinct worldwide leaving only beekeeper owned stocks | | Not quite! | | As I understand it the varroa mite (VM) developed alongside the far | eastern bee, not sure which Apis it is but Cerana could be it, I'll | check tonight. --------- I'll save you the trouble - it is Apis cerana which is indeed a honeybee - in fact even a hive bee as well. You are correct that I should have more clearly and fully clarified that I was talking only about "the common honeybee" Apis mellifera - I stand corrected - thanks --------- Again as I understand it these bees combat the VM by | grooming each other and biting off some/all the varroas legs, -------- correct - this behavior was dubbed VKf (Varroa Killer factor) by a Austrian commercial beekeeper, Alois Wallner, that noted it in his Carnica beestock - we (HIP) have tested for this behavior and to date the highest level we have found was one colony expressing it at a 55.5% level - meaning "of the mites that naturally fell onto the mite fall trap during a 4 day period 55.5% of them were Severely as per fatally injured by the bees PRIOR to hitting the mite fall trap (it is CRITICAL to have the screen over the trap paper AT LEAST 3/8" above the paper so the blooming bees don't muck up the test by chewing on captured mites - they gotta do the damage BEFORE the mites hit the bottom board or it don't mean a thing) - it only takes a 20X microscope or a 20X hand lens like farmers use for IPM to check for damaged mites under properly built mite fall traps - NO chemicals are used to induce mite drop during a VKf test -------------- the | affects of the VM are also reduced because the brood cycle is a day or | two shorter so that the female VM can't get as many female offspring | raised before the cell is uncapped. --------- correct - cerana workers average brood development time is 18 days and the average drone development time is 21 days (same as mellifera workers average - NOTE "average" there is variation and it can be selectively bred for in either direction - my understanding is that our USDA once produced an inbred mellifera line with avg. worker development of 17 days) ----------- The VM and their natural host bee | are in balance, as all successful host parasite systems Must be. --------- true - Note also that some cerana colonies do get killed by Varroa since they are in fact "resistant" not "immune" - the idea behind having a HIGH level of resistance is to have bees that can fend off the mites themselves under commonly prevailing conditions but sometimes conditions temporarily change and the pest gets out of hand and kills off some or even many of the resistant colonies during the period under which the abnormal conditions prevail - environmental influences effect the mites too ya see ----------------- We | beekeepers, or at least our predecessors, have caused the problem by | moving bees around the world and back. --------- precisely - this can be truly said of many of our agricultural pest problems moved around unwittingly by well intending humans trying to make things better -------------------- This has resulted in introducing | VM to a bee population that works as a host from the VM point of view | but, as so often happens with species introduction, turns out to be | unbalanced as our bees have not developed the counter measures required. ------------ true - realize though that then the mellifera beekeepers step in to insure the balance Nature wants never becomes a reality - from an economic standpoint it would be utter folly to leave all mellifera colonies untreated (most in North America with our subspecies of Varroa WOULD die inside the 2 year mark) - but we could/should/must as a community of beekeepers working together cooperatively (not just as small projects working independently here and there across the globe) find a way to help push along the obtaining of this natural host/parasite balance (whether resistance or tolerance is involved) - ONE way (there are others) to do so is by following our HIP protocol (available for your perusal on my website - see index page URL in my sig file) - another is to follow Ralph Buchlers protocol - both are designed around the practical necessity of keeping most of the stock alive while leaving stock untreated for a long period so as to be able to determine actual differences between them relative to Varroa Resistance within the framework of them wintering and building up and producing a crop whilst untreated. ------------------ -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reality vs. dreaming in bee breeding Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:18:47 +0100 Organization: nortel Lines: 31 Message-ID: <342A1E67.714D@enterprise.net> References: <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970922233400.TAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bcc8a5$2537bc60$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dpaii11.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9810 Jack Griffes wrote: big snip.. > IF they even exist at all) - so that leaves the Middle East, > Africa, and parts of Asia and from what I understand they are > having troubles with mites in all those places as well (meaning > actual wild honeybee stocks within the native range of such are > becoming extinct worldwide leaving only beekeeper owned stocks Not quite! As I understand it the varroa mite (VM) developed alongside the far eastern bee, not sure which Apis it is but Cerana could be it, I'll check tonight. Again as I understand it these bees combat the VM by grooming each other and biting off some/all the varroas legs, the affects of the VM are also reduced because the brood cycle is a day or two shorter so that the female VM can't get as many female offspring raised before the cell is uncapped. The VM and their natural host bee are in balance, as all successful host parasite systems Must be. We beekeepers, or at least our predecessors, have caused the problem by moving bees around the world and back. This has resulted in introducing VM to a bee population that works as a host from the VM point of view but, as so often happens with species introduction, turns out to be unbalanced as our bees have not developed the counter measures required. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my employers. Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] Article 9811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Laying Queen Date: 25 Sep 1997 12:09:51 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 64 Message-ID: <01bcc9ab$ef95e520$876ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <6071dk$4fg1@news.midusa.net> <01bcc879$47ef62c0$287ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> <342A169A.7989@enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 25 5:09:51 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9811 Adrian Kyte wrote in article <342A169A.7989@enterprise.net>... | Chip McCurdy wrote: | > | > From my experience, I have found that a drone laying queen doesn't last | > long in a hive. Mother nature will replace her. | > -- | > Chip McCurdy | > Ambrosia Apiaries | > Perry, GA USA | > [Beeman@hom.net] | > | big snip... | How come? Surely the only way this can happen is that a new swarm with a | regular Queen takes over. OTOH if ther are no workers being produced | then ther won't be any to look after either the Queen or the brood so | the hive will die. | | -- | Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England | Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my | employers. | Adrian - you and Chip are talking about two different things with the same name it appears - in a mating yard you will occassionally find a "drone laying" queen (what Chip seems to be talking about) that was not precluded from making mating flights - she lays MOSTLY drone but will pop out an occasional viable worker egg from which the workers can rear her replacement. An additional possibility for natural replacement is that about 1 in 3,000 non-capensis mellifera colonies has at least some worker(s) capable of producing eggs from which a queen can be reared despite it not being fertilized. The "drone laying queen" originally asked about was one which the beekeeper had intentionally kept from mating so as to have it produce nothing but drones for bee breeding purposes. There is a man named Carl Jurica in NY that advocates doing exactly that overwinter (in his book "Practical Queen Rearing in the North" - hope I got the title correct) so as to in the way EARLY Spring have LOADS of drones from the correct line to effect basically controlled Natural matings via having a temporary drone saturation effect flying from a insulated hive or from a bee house designed to allow earlier bee work including earlier queen rearing, earlier drone rearing, etc.. -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wishful thinking (was: Re: Is it too late to collect a hive? (2)) Date: 25 Sep 1997 13:33:18 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 40 Message-ID: <60dp6u$6fu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970922233400.TAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9812 In article <19970922233400.TAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com>, HDsearcher wrote: (ed) >...could come up with a unique idea or some >other weird accident could happen. It does all the time. Ease up alittle >and enjoy life!!!!! Breeding is a form of artificial selection. The key to successful breeding is to eliminate as much of the unknown as possible from the selection pool-- basically to choose the random combinations with as much "known" about them as possible. The "sport" model, or the "mutation" model works often in plants and plant breeding, and has thus become paradigmatic with modern Science and very positivist at that-- for example: "It's okay, sometime soon all the world's problems will be solved by Science." Easy to think and write in this frame of reference when you sit at your computer, somewhere sheltered, with electricity...etc. Do you think people who are hungry before they go to bed, have the same outlook on science? Do you think there are more of these hungry people in the world than the positivist ones? Breeding well is hard, detailed, exacting work. Often it's unsuccessful. Yet, enough breeders' achievements help everyone else. Breeding combines quantitative and qualitative, creating something new. Most breeding programs take a long, long time. Kudos to the brave breeders who work their asses off! Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: reality vs. dreaming in bee breeding Date: 25 Sep 1997 13:35:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <60dpbk$aiu$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bcc8a5$2537bc60$aa6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <19970924125701.IAA17947@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9813 In article <19970924125701.IAA17947@ladder01.news.aol.com>, HDsearcher wrote: >And maybe it's our meddling in the first place that screwed things up. >Mother nature always seems to be able to balance herself despite us humans. Meddling? Aren't we part of nature and not above it? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding from trough Date: 25 Sep 1997 14:06:12 GMT Lines: 51 Message-ID: <19970925140601.KAA14454@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9814 In article <875083145snz@benburb.demon.co.uk>, joe@benburb.demon.co.uk (joe mc cool) writes: >In one apiary I have about 20 hives. > >Has anyone tried trough feeding and what were the results ? > >I simply lay out a trough of syrup and let the bees come and help >themselves. There are no other bee keepers in the area and there are no >wasps left at this time of year. I imagine this would save a lot of >work over feeding individually. > >Note: I live in Ireland. Joe, I suggest that you regard trough feeding as an emergency method, when you have to get feed to the bees in a hurry, and you are short of time. It definitely has its drawbacks. Even if the bees don't fight, they will get greasy and poor and it shortens their lifespan. When the trough feeding ends, they are already habituated to robbing, and they may jump the weaker hives. The weaker hives, BTW don't benefit much from open feeding anyway, so you'll have to treat them separately. I do not like to encourage robbing. Often, with open feeding, the bees will get to fighting and many die. Not only is there the obvious loss of worker bees (which hives can ill afford with winter coming on), but each dead bee lies on the ground with a full belly, a loss of precious resources. Around here, I wouldn't even THINK of open feeding in the fall. I'd be feeding more german yellow jackets than bees. They are so prevelent that I have to almost close up weaker hives while feeding, as the yellow jackets will take the hive. I have done it at times, but the extra work of feeding individual colonies is well worth the trouble most times. We use open pails or drums, with sticks and pine straw. Another beekeeper pointed out to me that bees cannot rise in flight directly in such a setting, and taught me to lean them to one side a bit, so the bees can "get a run at it" in takeoff. This particular beekeeper dropped out of school in fourth-grade, due to a head injury, and cannot read and write, but I marvel at his knowledge, gained from years of observation. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-dc-26.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Missed my noise...... Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:18:35 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1124 Message-ID: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-103-209.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E4D9742EE9B19FD41F9A908F" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9815 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E4D9742EE9B19FD41F9A908F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All those big rains from the tropical storms so far have missed my noise here in Los Banos, central California.... But we are getting some tropical weather and the temperature has been higher then normal, 90's in place of 80's, also the humidity has been higher and a few sprinkles have fallen. Northern California has received several storms, enough to make the grass green along the roads in some places, and the far South Desert areas also have had heavy rains, but nothing here, yet. All of this has been very good for the Blue Curl plant and honey flow and some nice surplus yields are expected in hives not damaged severely earlier in pollination work. (picture attached) The hives that were damaged will have a much better shot at full recovery. It is estimated that over 70% of the hives used for pollination were damaged so it is easy to see why the total production from the Blue Curl flow is not expected to be great. Hives that were not damaged have made up to (4) 6 5/8 supers so far and those damaged maybe will average one plus the benefit of fresh pollen and a good healthy late season brood run, maybe 6 additional frames, and winter stores. The Blue Curl plant gets all of its moisture from the air and will continue to grow and bloom until the first ground soaking rains or frost. It can produce 100 or more pounds of surplus honey. It is white in color and granulates over night, and it can also be very high moisture. 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17:39:50 -0700 Organization: Springs Industries Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <60eloq$cul@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bcc8a5$57217220$449bfacd@default> Reply-To: goomba@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.190.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9816 Jeff and Dee-Anne wrote: > > Hi All > > I'm New at this whole thing of keeping bees > Some ?'s I have is this: > > 1) what is the proper ratio for sugar water/syrup > > 2) When should I stop feeding the bees > > 3) How much should I feed them > > 4) should I be giving them anything else but Sugarwater/syrup > > Thanks for any help you can give me > > J.C > fire@cyberlink.bc.ca Im pretty new so I might need help on this but... I feed them a 2 cups sugar to one cup water and let it come to a gentle boil to keep the sugar from silitfying(sp?). I use a QT. mayo jar and an entrance feeder. Feed until the bees tell you "Basta!" (the jars are not going down, that is) Around here we are having problem with mites and I'll be using apistan strips and crystal patties when the honey flow is over. Article 9817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-dc-26.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Watering Bees in the Fall Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:42:29 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1031 Message-ID: <342AE8D4.FDD93D43@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-102-120.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------444B3ABC9EA7FC8297852783" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9817 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------444B3ABC9EA7FC8297852783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hate to change the subject of feeding bees but having received a few nice pictures from Brian Ferguson (12,000 hives) of what is the normal way that most water bees around here in the fall I wanted to get them out as they are only a day or two old. Notice the floats in the open top 55 gal drums, also notice that the actual bee yard was prepared by dragging before the bees were move in to help prevent wild fires from a dropped smoker. Brian takes these pictures with one of those electronic cameras and sends them to me so they are fresh when I post them. 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Date: 25 Sep 1997 23:06:19 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bcca08$3640d960$f5cb48a6@xpsh233> References: <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-203-245.hi.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9818 BusyKnight wrote in article <5BFB88EEC35308CD.6A1A7749BA6DBEFE.3A6469D24B06BF3C@library-proxy.airnews.ne t>... > ? Has anyone heard of the "Gard > Otis Buckfast project"? If so, would you please > post some information on this project? > > > > I believe Gard Otis is Canadian. I would imagine he is producing buckfast in Canada and selling them here Article 9819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Re: Drone Laying Queen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6071dk$4fg1@news.midusa.net> <01bcc879$47ef62c0$287ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> <342A169A.7989@enterprise.net> Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries Message-ID: <01bcca11$a582d180$7e7ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin7-16.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin7-16.wr.hom.net Date: 26 Sep 97 00:27:01 GMT Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin7-16.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9819 Let me clarify, In my experience, when the existing queen starts laying only drone brood, the bees start raising cells, then "ball" her. If a new queen hatches in bad weather, sometimes she won't mate with enough drones, and runs out of sperm. I've never tried to introduce a "drone-laying queen" into a hive. That would be a dead end with or without workers. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] Adrian Kyte wrote in article <342A169A.7989@enterprise.net>... > Chip McCurdy wrote: > > > > From my experience, I have found that a drone laying queen doesn't last > > long in a hive. Mother nature will replace her. > > -- > > Chip McCurdy > > Ambrosia Apiaries > > Perry, GA USA > > [Beeman@hom.net] > > > big snip... > How come? Surely the only way this can happen is that a new swarm with a > regular Queen takes over. OTOH if ther are no workers being produced > then ther won't be any to look after either the Queen or the brood so > the hive will die. > > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} South Devon, England > Any statements made or opinions expressed are my own and not my > employers. > Adrian.Kyte.delete_this.3310836@bnr.ca [work] > beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net [home] > Article 9820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: John Germany Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: literature Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:42:40 -0400 Organization: Johnny's Billiards and Grill Lines: 3 Message-ID: <342BC9E0.6906@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ath-ga2-15.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 26 9:43:43 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9820 I am a new beekeeper as well as an avid reader. am currently reading Maurice Maeterlink's book (1901). it is pure poetry. anyone out there have any favorite bee books? Article 9821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:46:33 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9821 In article <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net>, Andy Nachbaur writes SNIP SNIP and then includes a very large binary. Andy - please don't do this - it's very inconsiderate. A 77k file take quite a time to pick up, especially for those with slow modems - and although I'm sure your picture is very nice, we've all seen plants before, and we can all look in a plant book and see a far better resolution picture than you can send. Why not put the picture on your web page and just give us the address? -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobstjohn@aol.com (Bobstjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: literature Date: 26 Sep 1997 19:39:18 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19970926193901.PAA13996@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <342BC9E0.6906@ix.netcom.com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9822 >I am a new beekeeper as well as an avid reader. am currently reading >Maurice Maeterlink's book (1901). it is pure poetry. anyone out there >have any favorite bee books? > > I agree aboiut Maeterlink. I think he was an actor. I recommend Sue Hubbel [forgot the name] Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo Article 9823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: George Styer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: literature Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:31:19 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 15 Message-ID: <60hc2j$pvn@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <342BC9E0.6906@ix.netcom.com> <19970926193901.PAA13996@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: GSTYER@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.184.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9823 Bobstjohn wrote: > > >I am a new beekeeper as well as an avid reader. am currently reading > >Maurice Maeterlink's book (1901). it is pure poetry. anyone out there > >have any favorite bee books? > > > > > I agree aboiut Maeterlink. I think he was an actor. > I recommend Sue Hubbel [forgot the name] > > Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo It "A Book of Bees" and it is a delightful account of a year in the life of a beekeeper. It is not a reference book but is full of all kinds of practical advice you won't find in the reference books. Article 9824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries Message-ID: <01bccad2$621de300$627ed8cc@homenet.hom.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin6-4.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin6-4.wr.hom.net Date: 26 Sep 97 23:26:54 GMT Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin6-4.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9824 Nice picture Andy, Thanks for sharing it. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] Alyn W. Ashworth wrote in article ... > In article <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net>, Andy Nachbaur > writes > > SNIP SNIP > and then includes a very large binary. > > Andy - please don't do this - it's very inconsiderate. A 77k file take > quite a time to pick up, especially for those with slow modems - and > although I'm sure your picture is very nice, we've all seen plants > before, and we can all look in a plant book and see a far better > resolution picture than you can send. > > Why not put the picture on your web page and just give us the address? > > -- > Alyn W. Ashworth > Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. > (but I don't speak on their bee-half) > http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys > Article 9825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news3.spinne.com!news.spinne.com!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: American Foul Brood problem? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:54:30 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9825 I have detected in a hive several brood frames with AFM, about 8 in total. What should I do? Can I keep the honey? Do I have to destroy the whole hive or just the problem frames? What's the best treatment method. Mixed in sugar syrop or grease paddies? Thanks for any insight. Francis Article 9826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: Michael Constant Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I want to start a hive. Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:16:18 -0500 Organization: IQuest Internet, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <342C6C72.33AD@iquest.net> Reply-To: mconstan@iquest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: and-005-19.iquest.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9826 Hello my name is Michael and I live in indiana. For the past couple of years i have been wanting to start a hive and was wondering if someone can send me info about how to start, what I need, cost, choices, and what ever else you can think of. Article 9827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood problem? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:49:18 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 86 Message-ID: <342C742E.501705DC@calwest.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: n4-103-226.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9827 Francis Miquet wrote: > I have detected in a hive several brood frames with AFM, about 8 in total. > What should I do? Extract the honey, and depending on how you use supers, treat the hive as recommended in your area for AFB. If you allowed the bees to brood in all the extracting supers you may want to put them back on the same hive that you are going to treat to reduce the infection of other hives in your apiary.I would also treat all my hives or all the hives in that apiary as if they were infected with AFB. AFB spores in honey are not know to cause any problems to those who consume the honey and in fact random samples in consumer honey products has shown some spores to be present in some samples. The amount of spores contained in the honey tested was less then the amount needed to cause symptoms of AFB in hive bees. The alternative method would be to extract the honey, kill the bees, and render all the combs including the extracted supers for the wax.. In a few areas even this is not allowed and by law you would have to kill the bees and burn everything and bury the remains covered by 18 inches of soil. What I would do myself depending on the degree of infection is to extract the honey, save the supers and combs, kill the bees and burn the works, but then I have a lot more things to do then keep watch on one sick hive under treatment,, and since all of my hives would have received preventive treatment with TM any hives that pass trough the drug treatment could be considered an open door to drug resistance. The fastest way to treat a hive is to get the TM in the hive and used, the dusting or sugar feeding method is best for this. Dusting will require several treatments. TM in sugar syrup will continue to be effective in cold climes for months so bulk feeding now would should give you protection until next spring or as long as the sugar syrup lasts. Again I would suggest that all hives be treated the same. In any case AFB is not the end of the world and with Better Living trough Chemistry many bee outfits that in the olden days would have been burned are now productive units of honey production and little effort need be spent in the searching out the last cell of AFB if a good drug program is followed. TM is the chemical of choice because it is cheep and if used as directed it works and it has been demonstrated to benefit hives that are apparently healthy in all respects by increasing the amount of brood produced and that alone could pay for the cost of treatment if you are interested in early increase, or need early bees for early flows. How it works is not clear, and if you care the treatment level was figured using the good old LD 50 scale. Increase the amount of drug until it kills 50% of the bees and then back off to a level of treatment that results in no dead bees and no disease. This is one good reason not to increase the dosage rate, but I can tell you by accident that the pure thing will do the job at least as a dust, but I would not recommend it as it becomes much more costly. As far as TM killing brood when used with powered sugar it kills no more brood then the powered sugar alone and any contamination that gets in the young brood more time then not results in the loss of that brood. TM is how I express the product of PFIZER called Terramycin (R) Soluble Power, I believe it is best to use the 6.4 oz packages which should treat 50 hives or make 50 treatments for one hive. I personally use it in one gallon of HFC sugar syrup fed to each hive, one 6.4 oz package for each 50 gallons of syrup. I devolve it in cold water before adding it to the sugar syrup and mix it for up to an hour in 500 gallon batches. I add the TM devolved in water before adding the syrup. There are other products that work as well as antibiotic's for bees but they cost more and are not registered for use in California, USA and for most there is not need to use any of them as TM works as well today as it did when first tried with only one exception being reported in SA as far as I know. After all is said it is interesting that AFB is seldom found in feral honeybee hives and some think AFB is a hivebee or beekeeper problem. It is common to find in abandoned bee hives destroyed by AFB healthy swarms doing well away from the rotten combs and it is not clear if they would in time themselves become infected and die or are able to clean up the disease in the combs. I suspect that hives that prosper in the wild are selected by nature to be survivors and represent a small percentage of the total actual swarms that are released by man each year and seldom do die from bee disease or pests of bees, but others may differ on the latter and I can assure you that all hivebees if not managed by man will indeed today die in this area.. As for the decline reported by some in feral bees, few areas have been subject to long term study and none of these reports seem to consider environmental realities such as extra special severe weather conditions and food supplies which do effect the survival of all honeybees wild or hivebees. IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone Article 9828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: my first bee sting Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:41:49 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 46 Message-ID: <342861CC.6EBCE291@valley.net> References: <341C76EE.4D3FF9CE@valley.net> <34268B30.4D4C@on.bell.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9828 redneck wrote: > bill greenrose wrote: > > > > greetings, > > > > well, i just received my first bee sting of the season. blah blah > blah..... > > Bill, > > I've been told by my beekeeping ghuru that it is a good idea to get > stung once a week to keep up my immune system... Well it's been quite > some time since I've been stung so the last two times I visited the > hives I grabbed a couple bees and injected my arm similar to going to > the clinic. It doesn't hurt that bad when you purposely sting > yourself...I can remember the time I disturbed a yellow-jacket hive and > I got stung on the butt; I limped for two days! > > Glenn > Dunroven Farm hi glen, i've seen postings here describing a method similar to yours for desensitizing individuals, who are somewhat allergic to bee stings. i seem to be pretty lucky; just got a little swelling around the eye for a couple of days, and then it subsided. didn't hurt or itch much. earlier in the year, i got stung by a yellow jacket right on the little bump of flesh at the front of the ear. man, did that hurt! but, i didn't swell up at all. now, LAST year i got stung on the wrist, when i disturbed a yellow jacket nest while weeding. two days later my arm swelled up all the way to the elbow. go figure. bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone Laying Queen Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:53:55 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <342864A2.49BE3A19@valley.net> References: <6071dk$4fg1@news.midusa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kip-2-142.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9829 William S. Hummer wrote: > Dose any know of a way to make a queen lay only drones. I am starting to raise > my own queens and need more drones. Every time I introduce drone comb into the > colony they just put honey in the cells before the queen has time to lay any > eggs into the cells. I am going to try to raise a couple of queens and not let > them mate. I think that this way I can get a queen that just lays unfertilized > eggs. I am wondering if this method will work. If you have any comments or > ideas please contact me. greetings, could it just be a matter of timing? i started with a nuc this year. once the colony really hit its stride, i started to see significant drone production. this was in mid-august. i resisted the urge to remove capped drone brood to try to get more workers, since i figured the production level of both is pheromone driven, and they'll produce as many drones as it takes to achieve satisfactory chemical emission levels for the time of year and state of the colony. they were also producing lots of workers during this time. now, almost all of the drones have hatched [or the pupae have been tossed from the hive], and all the new brood appears to be future workers. hope this helps, bill ######################################## don't shoot me, I'm only the guitar player greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 9830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American Foul Brood problem? Date: 27 Sep 1997 11:02:45 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <60ip4l$euj$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <342C742E.501705DC@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9830 Are you sure it's AFB? Parasitic mite syndrome looks and smells almost exactly like AFB. The only way to tell the difference is to find melted down pupa with their tounges showing--this would be AFB. Parasitic mite syndrome does not show pupal tounges in the larva. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 9831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <342D1439.AF4@accessatlanta.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:12:10 -0700 From: don@accessatlanta.com Reply-To: don@accessatlanta.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: literature References: <342BC9E0.6906@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.78.124 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!166.72.78.124 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9831 John Germany wrote: > > I am a new beekeeper as well as an avid reader. am currently reading > Maurice Maeterlink's book (1901). it is pure poetry. anyone out there > have any favorite bee books? If you are looking for a great read there is a book called the Beemaster, It takes you back to a time when life was simple and honest. I don't remember the authors name but I will get it the next time I am at the library. Don Article 9832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!4.1.16.34.MISMATCH!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:27:50 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <342D25F6.4DC4DB64@calwest.net> References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-104-21.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9832 Alyn W. Ashworth wrote: > Andy - please don't do this - it's very inconsiderate. A 77k file take > quite a time to pick up, especially for those with slow modems - and > although I'm sure your picture is very nice, we've all seen plants > before, and we can all look in a plant book and see a far better > resolution picture than you can send. My sincere apology to you and anyone else who finds that my posts are overwhelming their pc's capacity. I am not trying to change this group into a binary one but with today's technology I believe that those who enjoy an illustration with a article once en awhile out number by far those who do not at least I do and do not like to see the technology wasted. > Why not put the picture on your web page and just give us the address? I don't have a web page but don't see how that would help those who are stuck with a 2400 bd modem or are using an OS that will not handle binaries. I do understand the problem as I use unix to unix on my own dos bbs and yes I do still have a few 2400 bd users, but today most users have pc's that are designed to handle graphics and have no problems with binary files. No name 56K modems are $79 here and affordable to most all users and work very well with X2 offered at no extra cost by providers at $20.US, unlimited time. In any case this group was set up with the idea that a few germane binary files would be allowed as long as they were on topic and did not overwhelm the group and I have tried to slip a few in knowing that they would be of no use to a blind man but that others would be interested and some would be vocal in their complaints..for them I am sorry. Most of us know how to handle a post that we are not interested in and that is not to download it or use blocking software or just grin and bare it. ttul, Andy- Los Banos, California Article 9833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: John Germany Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:06:34 -0400 Organization: Johnny's Billiards and Grill Lines: 43 Message-ID: <342D2F09.3640@ix.netcom.com> References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> <342D25F6.4DC4DB64@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ath-ga1-22.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 27 11:07:36 AM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9833 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > Alyn W. Ashworth wrote: > > > Andy - please don't do this - it's very inconsiderate. A 77k file take > > quite a time to pick up, especially for those with slow modems - and > > although I'm sure your picture is very nice, we've all seen plants > > before, and we can all look in a plant book and see a far better > > resolution picture than you can send. > > My sincere apology to you and anyone else who finds that my posts are > overwhelming their pc's capacity. I am not trying to change this group > into a binary one but with today's technology I believe that those who > enjoy an illustration with a article once en awhile out number by far > those who do not at least I do and do not like to see the technology > wasted. > > > Why not put the picture on your web page and just give us the address? > > I don't have a web page but don't see how that would help those who are > stuck with a 2400 bd modem or are using an OS that will not handle > binaries. I do understand the problem as I use unix to unix on my own dos > bbs and yes I do still have a few 2400 bd users, but today most users have > pc's that are designed to handle graphics and have no problems with binary > files. No name 56K modems are $79 here and affordable to most all users > and work very well with X2 offered at no extra cost by providers at > $20.US, unlimited time. > > In any case this group was set up with the idea that a few germane binary > files would be allowed as long as they were on topic and did not overwhelm > the group and I have tried to slip a few in knowing that they would be of > no use to a blind man but that others would be interested and some would > be vocal in their complaints..for them I am sorry. Most of us know how to > handle a post that we are not interested in and that is not to download it > or use blocking software or just grin and bare it. > > ttul, Andy- > Los Banos, California Andy- I loved the pic! it took a long time to load, but the wait was fun- and it's great to see the bees in your part of the country on plants that have 'cousins' here, but not twins. bees are bees wherever you bee! Article 9834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dual mite resistant bee breeding Date: 27 Sep 1997 17:35:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 38 Message-ID: <60jg5f$l3l$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <5vu18i$oj7$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19970920030900.XAA27370@ladder02.news.aol.com> <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <60c1lh$84j$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bcc967$c662a7e0$ae6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9834 Jack, thanks for the detailed, informative reply. It certainly makes makes evident the amount of effort and fore-thought that is going into your program. And I wasn't kidding when I said it looked impressive from the website. One thing I probably didn't make clear but should have is that before the big crash, I was doing live removals over a good portion of New Jersey, Delaware, and Eastern PA. We had access to a lot of feral colonies, and this is why I'm at least guardedly optimistic about the possibilities. Your points make sense (e.g., dilution of resistance via matings with trucked/mailed in bees, etc.) At least this year, from what I can tell, there aren't a whole lot of competing drones (i.e., NONE) from other colonies around to mate with queens from my nukes, so this is helping to concentrate whatever characteristics these bees have. Of course you're right about the likelihood of specific feral colonies being a spin-offs from managed or imported stock. What I was/am always excited about, however, is a phone call from someone who has a colony that's been around for more than a few years - we've had calls where a house had had a colony or colonies for more than a decade! I figure that regardless of where they came from, they have the characteristics to survive in this area. Frankly, my initial interest in the feral population was/has been for potential resistance to AFB... Anyway, this whole discussion has gotten me itching to get out there and do a serious mite check. Like I said, I haven't seen any since last year, and even then the population was low - and that was before I applied the peppermint oil. I will make it a point to check out your website again and make sure I understand exactly how your testing program works and apply this to whatever survives this year's winter. As I indicated, I'm setting up a small outbuilding to house observation hives (with auction-purchased lumber and a table saw, these aren't expensive to build) so I can comfortably observe any bees that appear promising. For that matter, at this point I may have a problem finding any mites to infest next year's survivors... Dave T. Article 9835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I want to start a hive. Date: 27 Sep 1997 20:57:31 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: <19970927205701.QAA15775@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <342C6C72.33AD@iquest.net> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9835 From: Michael Constant > >Hello my name is Michael and I live in indiana. For the past couple of >years i have been wanting to start a hive and was wondering if someone >can send me info about how to start, what I need, cost, choices, and >what ever else you can think of. > Hi Michael, I applaud your desire to start beekeeping. You are embarking on a real adventure that will tune up your mind and life and make you much more aware of the natural world. God has given us many great gifts. Some suggestions: Go to your local library and read up on the subject. Remember your librarian can get ANY book from anywhere through interlibrary loan. Second go to your county extension office. They will have, or be able to get, beekeeping information that is adapted to your area. Third, get ahold of the beekeeping FAQ on the internet at Sunsite or several other places. Any search engine should find it, or you can find the link on my page. Then you can ask more specific questions on points you don't understand in this group or on the bee list. For info on new equipment call for a catalog at Dadant 217-847-3660, or Kelly 502-242-2012. For good beginner articles and ads for bees, used equipment and much more, subscribe to Bee Culture, which you can find out about by e-mail: bculture@aol.com. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hornebee@aol.com (HORNEBEE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a source for beeswax Date: 27 Sep 1997 23:28:37 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19970927232800.TAA26195@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bcc238$b1dae0c0$a0623cd1@i453312> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9836 i own a bees wax rendering plant in florida. and sell bees wax . Article 9837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sensational Kiwi Honey - Bee Pollen" Subject: AGING OF POLLEN-CALORIC VALUE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Tasman Solutions Ltd. Message-ID: <01bccba8$3de9ad80$e43060cb@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: garlic.ts.co.nz!unknown@bpollen.ts.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.49.92.8 Date: 27 Sep 97 20:28:03 GMT Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.14.100.1!status.gen.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!202.49.92.8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9837 Hi people, have only just got this machine and found out about newsgroups. I have two queries that I would like to hear from people about; AGING OF BEE POLLEN ; how long does it take before the nutritional value of bee pollen begins to deteriorate once it`s out of the hive - at room temperature, and when frozen. We have sourced some dated info. on this but would like to hear your views on this, especially if you know of recent research. CALORIE VALUE OF BEE POLLEN ; we get asked heaps of times - how many calories are there in a teaspoon of pollen? any ideas? POLLEN COLOURS; does anyone have a list of floral sources and pollen colours? Article 9838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I want to start a hive. Date: 28 Sep 1997 05:04:27 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <60kogr$25r@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <342C6C72.33AD@iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.21.182 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9838 Michael, You can contact your state Agriculture Department and find your State Apiarist. From the Apiarist you can find out about local bee groups, organizations, laws and etc. Also your local library most likely has books on beekeeping. Check you local city phone book under Beekeepers Supplies. Some local Beekeeper Supply stores may have classes. Its great to get to know other beekeepers, they are a friendly lot. You will get better answers from local beekeepers on your specific questions. Bees are lots of fun and the honey is so good. Good luck. Pete Seattle Michael Constant wrote in article <342C6C72.33AD@iquest.net>... > Hello my name is Michael and I live in indiana. For the past couple of > years i have been wanting to start a hive and was wondering if someone > can send me info about how to start, what I need, cost, choices, and > what ever else you can think of. > Article 9839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeholling@aol.com (JeHolling) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding Bees in Fall Date: 28 Sep 1997 13:01:53 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <19970928130101.JAA27808@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bcc8a5$57217220$449bfacd@default> Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9839 Hi Jeff, i try to answer your questions, but maybe it is important, where you live with your bees. We here in northern Germany do it in this way: 1. If you really take all the honey away from the bees, every hive needs about 15 liters of syrup for the winter (its bloody cold here, so maybe less, where you live). 2. If these days (now, after giving them their syrup) a hive looks very weak, you can give them some more, but not a lot. 3. We buy normally special feedsyrup just for bees.....some older guys mix themselves sugar and water, but why? Its not cheaper, just more work. But overall, it depends on the region, where you live....temperatures and so on. Is your winter hard and long, or short and mild? More questions than answers, i guess.....hehehe Jens Holling, Germany Article 9840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news From: "Bonnie l Gale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queenbee Date: 28 Sep 1997 14:27:09 GMT Organization: IDT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bccc1a$dfe87220$f1561a26@my-computer> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip241.troy.ny.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9840 Why is the queenbee always on the top cover of my hive, is this normal? bonnie Article 9842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Ronald Lash Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a Hive Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:16:16 -0400 Organization: Hi-View Aerial Photography Lines: 4 Message-ID: <342E74C0.14B5@erols.com> Reply-To: rjlash@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lxp-as1s14.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 28 Sep 1997 15:15:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9842 Hi I am building a hive and already have 1 brood chamber and 10 frames done. If any of you have any advice I would appreciate it. Adam Lash Article 9843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dual mite resistant bee breeding Date: 28 Sep 1997 19:36:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 155 Message-ID: <01bccc45$cffff880$846ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5vu18i$oj7$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <19970920030900.XAA27370@ladder02.news.aol.com> <01bcc64e$86167a20$8186dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <60c1lh$84j$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bcc967$c662a7e0$ae6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <60jg5f$l3l$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh6-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 28 12:36:40 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9843 David J Trickett wrote in article <60jg5f$l3l$1@netnews.upenn.edu>... | Jack, thanks for the detailed, informative reply. It certainly makes | evident the amount of effort and fore-thought that is going into | your program. And I wasn't kidding when I said it looked impressive | from the website. ------- you are most kindly welcome and thanks --------- | One thing I probably didn't make clear but should have is that before | the big crash, I was doing live removals over a good portion of New | Jersey, Delaware, and Eastern PA. We had access to a lot of feral | colonies, and this is why I'm at least guardedly optimistic about the | possibilities. Your points make sense (e.g., dilution of resistance via | matings with trucked/mailed in bees, etc.) At least this year, from what | I can tell, there aren't a whole lot of competing drones (i.e., NONE) | from other colonies around to mate with queens from my nukes, so this is | helping to concentrate whatever characteristics these bees have. -------- realize that queens and drones can fly a LONG ways - drones can likely fly as far or farther than queens (they are stronger fliers) and some studies have found queens out 6 miles away from the mating yard they came from - so you are talking a HUGE area t-totally bee free to effect secure matings UNLESS geographical conditions prohibit such long mating flights (real high mountains, long distance over water) -- of course ya gotta work within the realm of doing the best ya practically can - so if AI is not a viable option then do Drone Saturation OR After Hours Controlled Natural Mating to up the level of desired mating ya get. -------- | | Of course you're right about the likelihood of specific feral colonies | being a spin-offs from managed or imported stock. What I was/am always | excited about, however, is a phone call from someone who has a colony | that's been around for more than a few years - we've had calls where a | house had had a colony or colonies for more than a decade! I figure | that regardless of where they came from, they have the characteristics | to survive in this area. --------- sure this is true but once Varroa is well established you do not get many IF ANY such calls that are accurate reports - I t-totally agree with the concept of breeding bees for improved regional survival - conditions do vary and different survival strategies work better in different areas -------------- Frankly, my initial interest in the feral | population was/has been for potential resistance to AFB... ------------- the feral population does not likely hold a higher level of resistance to AFB but rather cultural practices that spread it are not practiced upon them - such as drift, exchange of infected combs, harboring the weak via drugs to hide their susceptibility whereas Nature would eliminate them, etc. ------ Anyway, this | whole discussion has gotten me itching to get out there and do a serious | mite check. Like I said, I haven't seen any since last year, and even | then the population was low - and that was before I applied the peppermint | oil. -------------- glad you are desirous to work on improving your bees via selective breeding which IMO should be a natural extension of good livestock management ----- colonies that are likely to survive untreated MUST keep the mite level lower all on their own so indeed you should note this -------- | I will make it a point to check out your website again and make sure I | understand exactly how your testing program works and apply this to | whatever survives this year's winter. --------- might wanna print off any info of interest to you so you can refer back to it - we will soon be moving to the Onsted area and I am not at all certain I will have the option then to maintain the same ISP - if the ISP changes then the site will be gone perhaps when you want to take a look-see - yes I will likely get another site going later but it may take a while ya know as per lotsa lotsa lotsa moving related stuff will take priority over playing on the computer ---------- As I indicated, I'm setting up a | small outbuilding to house observation hives (with auction-purchased | lumber and a table saw, these aren't expensive to build) so I can | comfortably observe any bees that appear promising. --------- IMO ya gottta observe your test colonies in FULL size honey producing conditions if ya wanna select for more than just one thing - IOW sure there are ways to increase resistance level faster than our way BUT they involve forgetting all about breeding for plain old "good bees" that are able to help their keeper make a living not just survive untreated - IMO it would not be worth much (if anything) to have a bee that can fend off the mites but don't make hardly any surplus honey for instance ------------ For that matter, | at this point I may have a problem finding any mites to infest next | year's survivors... --------- such a problem to have - we had the same thing happen with Tracheal mites a few years ago - a natural population crash that has left us wondering IF we have lost or maintained our Tracheal Mite resistance level (FL tests seems to indicate they have maintained it but FL is not MI). BUT now they (T-mites) do seem to be making a comeback of sorts from what folks with susceptible stock are reporting so perhaps untreated HIP test stock will again start getting a serious dual mite resistance test this winter or the next rather than just the V-mite test they have gotten here (T-mite crash occured very near same time as V-mites got real bad) ----------- -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!usenet From: "Frank Hunt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *****FREE CASH**** Date: 29 Sep 1997 00:52:21 GMT Organization: The Emporium Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bccc6a$0e7e7720$12ce6bcf@frankhunt> NNTP-Posting-Host: cal-52-0118.direct.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9844 Check your attics and basements for old sportcards and memorabillia. We pay cash for anything from the turn of the century until now. Earn easy money for you old junk. Article 9845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a Hive Date: 29 Sep 1997 02:46:17 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bccc81$830c4c40$6a14410c@200137229worldnet.att.net> References: <342E74C0.14B5@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9845 Ronald Lash wrote in article <342E74C0.14B5@erols.com>... > Hi > I am building a hive and already have 1 brood chamber and 10 frames > done. If any of you have any advice I would appreciate it. > Adam Lash > One small thing, make sure they are square otherwise they won't fit together well. Pete Article 9846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:02:43 -0600 From: emsquared@kohala.net Subject: Honey Price Supports Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <875501590.21952@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 29 02:53:10 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.127.241.26 (tc1-26.ilhawaii.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0.1; Mac_PowerPC) X-Authenticated-Sender: emsquared@kohala.net Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9846 Can anyone explain to me (in plain English, I have 7 USC Sec.1446h) how the honey price support system (Federal US) works? Who do I see on the official side to learn about it? aloha, mike moriarty -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 9847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Price Supports Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:05:53 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <342F3731.9FD698CE@calwest.net> References: <875501590.21952@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1-102-21.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9847 emsquared@kohala.net wrote: > Can anyone explain to me (in plain English, I have 7 USC Sec.1446h) how > the honey price support system (Federal US) works? Who do I see on the > official side to learn about it? That's easy, it don't work at all no more as it was dumped by congress with one of the most rancorous and evil slanderous debates about beekeepers and beekeeping you will ever witness in this life that would make any beekeepers mother grimace if not deny any relationship to any beekeepersfather. The Good News is that beekeeping has never been better since we were cut off from the government feed tank, and one reason we were is that so few beekeepers believed in the government handouts and support it was a no contest in the congressional debates. The sad truth is that the wise men in congress stopped with beekeepers and we still have a large part of agriculture in the tank, but then food continues to be a real bargain at the super market so maybe it an't all that bad. IMHO ttul, the OLd Drone. Article 9848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:51:51 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pb6CIAX41L0Ewk0@emphasys.demon.co.uk> References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> <342D25F6.4DC4DB64@calwest.net> <342D2F09.3640@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9848 Seems I'm out-voted on this one, so I bow to the democratic wishes of the majority (at least, the majority who expressed an opinion). Just to set the record straight (and then I'll shut up on the subject)... 1) I have a fast modem myself and can handle large binaries, so it's no skin off my nose. 2) My basic point is was that if EVERYONE sent large binaries with all their postings, things would grind to a halt. Having the binaries on a web page presents a much lower overall loading to the net, and is much more efficient in use of resources. 3) After all, the bees don't bring a flower, or a picture of one, back to the hive to show their sisters, they give them directions for finding their own flower, if they want to go that way. Now I'll buzz off. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article 9849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "George Clarkson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees in front of hive Date: 29 Sep 1997 02:49:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bccc82$b420e240$92d0afce@clarkson> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd17-146.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9849 Today I saw a pile dead bees about an inch deep and a foot in diameter in front of a hive. I opened the hive to inspect but did not see anything amiss except a reduced population. Brood was reasonably plentiful and healthy. There were no similar symptoms with the other two hives that are next to this one. I thought maybe they got hit with pesticide, but as I mentioned there was no problem with the other colonies. Could this be a mite infestation? Any other ideas? Thanks for any help. -- George Clarkson Lakewood, CO e-mail: ghclark@sprynet.com Article 9850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!news.ochin.on.ca!use-net From: graham curryer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Legal aspects of Bee Keeping Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:39:29 -0400 Organization: royal ottawa hospital - the rehabilitation centre Lines: 16 Message-ID: <342FCBB1.407B@rohcg.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: janus-ssn.ochin.on.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9850 My nieghbor has been keeping bees for the past year. These have not been a problem up until now. He has moved the Bees very close to our property boundry, I believe for winter protection. However, this has resulted in us not being able to use our garden, especially when he is smoking the bees, as they seem to get pretty pissed off. I am not against bee keeping but my neighbor seems uninterested with my request that he move his hives to another area of his property. Could anyone tell me if there are any regulations regarding how close bees can be situated near a residential property or such like. Thanks Graham gcurryer@rohcg.on.ca Article 9851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!news-peer.bt.net!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AGING OF POLLEN-CALORIC VALUE Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:24:40 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bccba8$3de9ad80$e43060cb@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9851 In article <01bccba8$3de9ad80$e43060cb@default>, Sensational Kiwi Honey - Bee Pollen writes >POLLEN COLOURS; does anyone have a list of floral sources and pollen >colours? Dorothy hodges 'Pollen loads of the honey bee' -out of print but still occasionally obtainable second hand, or William Kirks 'A colour guide to pollen loads of the honey bee' Should be obtainable from any good bookstore or through your local library. Sorry I don't have the ISBN nos. -- Tom S Article 9852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey from Minnesota Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:33:35 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19970929193301.PAA14322@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9852 Hi: Just wanted to let all know I have nice basswood (linden) and clover/wildflower honey for sale. Very light in color. Citrusy, minty, and delicious! 1lb bear 3.50 1 gallon 20.00 5 gallon 75.00 100% raw honey no heat! Please email if you are interested Article 9853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!news From: Ronald Lash Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supers Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:46:34 -0400 Organization: Hi-View Aerial Photography Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34302FCA.32CD@erols.com> Reply-To: rjlash@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lxp-as1s44.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 29 Sep 1997 22:45:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9853 Hi My dad and I put together a brood chamber which is the one I have. We made it out of exterior ply wood.Since we could not find any cypress distributiters in the area. Is there any problems with ply wood has wood for the supers? Adam Lash Article 9854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.100!news.fiberlink.net!usenet From: Dave Cheung Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please Send Information About Killer Bees Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:26:19 -0400 Organization: Shaw FiberLink Limited Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3430391A.584936D4@accessv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port078-86.accessv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9854 I'm conducting a project at school concerning Killer Bees. If possible could anyone please send information, or links to me. My email address is dcheung@delasalle.toronto.on.ca of try dave@accessv.com Thanks you all your help. Article 9855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Date: 29 Sep 1997 23:24:52 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01bccd2e$e1fd6100$8686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> <342D25F6.4DC4DB64@calwest.net><342D2F09.3640@ix.netcom.com> <2pb6CIAX41L0Ewk0@emphasys.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh9-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 29 4:24:52 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9855 Alyn W. Ashworth wrote in article <2pb6CIAX41L0Ewk0@emphasys.demon.co.uk>... | 2) My basic point is was that if EVERYONE sent large binaries with all | their postings, things would grind to a halt. Having the binaries on a | web page presents a much lower overall loading to the net, and is much | more efficient in use of resources. with which I agree and make note that as long as the page is not commercial in nature then anybody can get free web page space at Geocities or Tripod | 3) After all, the bees don't bring a flower, or a picture of one, back | to the hive to show their sisters, they give them directions for finding | their own flower, if they want to go that way. exactly - plus assembling the pictures all in one place such as a web page makes them available for easy viewing over a longer period without having to hit the archives -- Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI USA e-mail: Griffes at ix.netcom.com Web site: http://pw2.netcom.com/~griffes/ "Always be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1..." - Steve White! " Article 9856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missed my noise...... Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:55:15 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 51 Message-ID: <34306A13.ECF4C318@calwest.net> References: <342A8EDA.C4EE1144@calwest.net> <342D25F6.4DC4DB64@calwest.net><342D2F09.3640@ix.netcom.com> <2pb6CIAX41L0Ewk0@emphasys.demon.co.uk> <01bccd2e$e1fd6100$8686dccf@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n2-102-97.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9856 Jack Griffes wrote: > | 2) My basic point is was that if EVERYONE sent large binaries > with all their postings, things would grind to a halt. Hello Beekeeping Friends,Binary posting has not been a problem here yet with the exception of a few vocal posters who themselves are able to handle binaries and wish to be self appointed news network regulators,but I do NOT agree with them. If everyone sent binaries it would be very nice and we could make this a binary beekeeping group, but then those who can't handle binaries would be out of luck, but that would stop the bickering over a dozen posts per year in total...+-. > Having the binaries on a web page presents a much lower overall > loading to the net, and > is much more efficient in use of resources. Again this would not be much help to the many silent readers who can not handle the graphics but I am all for it except I am, have always been, a commercial beekeeper and all my posts are about my experiences in commercial beekeeping including the posting of such items as the commercial pricing of honey, beekeeping books and gifts I may have for sale, and other information of a commercial nature such as honey wanted to buy or sell. I would be just as happy not to post any of that here if I had a web page and the time to service it, or if I could post it all to a binary beekeeping group. I do wish now that when we set this news group up we had set up a companion binary group but that's honey over the tank now. > with which I agree and make note that as long as the page is not > commercial in nature then anybody can get free web page space at > Geocities or Tripod. > exactly - plus assembling the pictures all in one place such as > a web page makes them available for easy viewing over a longer > period without having to hit the archives In any case I intend to continue posting what I believe is of interest to the majority and that may include slipping in a binary occasionally if I believe it adds to the flavor of this beekeeping news group and I am sorry for those who can not enjoy this occasional break from the routine of plain text and the band width wasted in discussion by those who want to regulate everything but don't know how to post an e-mail to make their point with this poster.. IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone Well I lied a little, for the most part I only post what interests me. Article 9857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Please Send Information About Killer Bees Date: 30 Sep 1997 03:15:40 GMT Lines: 91 Message-ID: <19970930031500.XAA16335@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3430391A.584936D4@accessv.com> SnewsLanguage: English Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9857 From: Dave Cheung > >I'm conducting a project at school concerning Killer Bees. If possible >could anyone please send information, or links to me. My email address >is dcheung@delasalle.toronto.on.ca >of try dave@accessv.com >Thanks you all your help. Because European bees did not do well in Brazil, bees were imported from central Africa to see if they would be better adapted to the tropical conditions. Some of them escaped, and they proved to be a better bee for the area. Brazillian beekeepers now keep the African bee and prefer them as it is more productive, and more disease and parasite resistant. It has a reputation as a difficult bee to manage. Like the German black bee, brought to America early in its history, it is a bee that has not been kept very long and has not had the selective breeding for gentleness that characterizes our Italian bees. So it can be pretty fierce. The Italian bee has been kept for thousands of years. Up until modern times, the bee colony had to be killed to harvest honey. If you can picture the Roman gardener, with a dozen or so beehives kept n his garden, and wanting to have some honey on the table, which one is he going to kill? Right! He'll kill the hive that stings his kids every time they walk by it. And this tendency has tamed the bee. The nasty ones have been eliminated by selective breeding. Now lets go to central Africa. Bees have never been kept here. When we want honey, we go to the forest and find a bee tree. We kill the bees and harvest the honey. Which bee colony is most likely to survive? Of course, the one that is fierce enough to drive off the human robber! So we have selective breeding in favor of bees that are fierce. The bee breeders now have the job of hurrying the process of taming the bee. They need to compress thousands of years of breeding (as with the Italian bee) into ten or twelve years. I hear they are doing this quite well today in Brazil. When the African bees get here, I hope we can import queens and take advantage of their head start in breeding. The process will go more quickly, if there are many beekeepers and they are well trained. No beekeeper is going to put up with a nasty hive. We find the queen, kill her, and replace her with one bred from gentle stock. Soon the whole hive is gentle. If the African bees only exist in the wild, there will be no control. Areas that ban beekeeping, or make it difficult to keep bees (like lawsuits whenever anyone gets stung by a bee or a yellow jacket) will probably have more problems with Africanized bees. If the area is saturated with well-managed, domesticated bees, the nasty ones will have more trouble penetrating the area, and those who do will be eliminated by beekeepers. If I were in city government, I'd try to get designated, trained beekeepers to fill this ecological niche with good bees, and be available for problem bee removal as well. In the areas where they already have the Africanized bees, there seems only to be the drive to kill them, without consideration of filling the niche with good bees. Beekeepers (the ones with the most training already) are not usually able to deal with the problem bees, because they'd have to get a commercial pesticide applicators licence, post bond, and have a million dollars worth of insurance. So that leave the job pretty much to to boys whose only knowledge is how to spray, spray, spray....... One of the problems we'll have to deal with is pollination, when the bees arrive. Most folks don't realize that pollination is managed by fruit and vegetable growers who hire beekeepers to truck thousands of hives to thefields and orchards. It is not possible to get large fields and orchards pollinated by the few wild bees that are available. The Africanized bee is not easy to move to pollination crops. The bees are excitable, and they tend to empty out of the hives if they are disturbed too much. After bouncing around a lot of rutty farm roads, moving bees to cucumbers, watermelons, squash, strawberries and apples, I don't know how I could expect these bees to cooperate in the movement, even if it is for their own good. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA Practical Pollination Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 9858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Legal aspects of Bee Keeping Date: 30 Sep 1997 04:04:14 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <01bccd55$75744680$a914410c@200137229worldnet.att.net> References: <342FCBB1.407B@rohcg.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.169 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9858 Graham Curryer, In Seattle we have City, County and State ordinances. The rules are all similar and I suspect they are similar where you live. I would check the ordinances so you will know for sure. The general rule around here among beekeepers is don't piss off the neighbors and give them plenty of honey. King County: 5. Hives shall not be located within twenty-five (25) feet of the property line, except: a. When situated eight feet or more above the adjacent ground level; or b. When situated less than six feet above adjacent ground level and behind a solid fence of hedge six feet in height parallel to any property line within twenty five feet of the hive and extending at least twenty feet beyond the hive in both directions. If your neighbor has recently moved the bees only a short distance less than three miles or so there are probably a lot of disoriented field bees flying around, who will find their way home shortly or die. Which direction does the hive face? Away from your fence and to the East I hope. I can walk right up to the back of my hives with no problem. You might ask your neighbor how much honey he's going to give you to prevent you from giving him your extra big zucchini. I hope this helps, Pete graham curryer wrote in article <342FCBB1.407B@rohcg.on.ca>... > My nieghbor has been keeping bees for the past year. These have not been > a problem up until now. He has moved the Bees very close to our property > boundry, I believe for winter protection. However, this has resulted in > us not being able to use our garden, especially when he is smoking the > bees, as they seem to get pretty pissed off. > > I am not against bee keeping but my neighbor seems uninterested with my > request that he move his hives to another area of his property. > > Could anyone tell me if there are any regulations regarding how close > bees can be situated near a residential property or such like. > > Thanks > > Graham > gcurryer@rohcg.on.ca > Article 9859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Increase, "Yard Trashing" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:10:00 GMT Message-ID: <9709300726072652@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9859 *Stolen from the BEE-List FYI How to make increase using medium depth supers From: George C Walker III Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:22:21 EDT Subject: "Yard Trashing" I borrow the term "yard trashing" from a beekeeper friend who has never used the method but who read about it in a bee journal article a few years back. I have not read the article nor talked to the originators of the method but have used our version of it with success. Basically: We have all mediums. From fall to spring our brrod nests are three mediums with an excluder above. The hives are palletized but the method would work--though involve a little more labor--without palletization. In mid-March in central Texas at 33 degrees north latitude, we perform a three-way split on each hive. This involves rotating each pallet in place 90 degrees so that each north hive now faces east, east--south, etc. An empty pallet is placed on each side of that pallet with identical orientation. The orginal hives are then split onto the two empty pallets turning four, three medium hives into 12, one med. hives. Of course, this assumes no empty slot which there are. You just use what empty pallets you need to make all the splits in the yard. You do not touch a frame or look for a queen. A ripe queen cell is placed in each hive and feed is given if no flow available. come back in 15 days and check for queen right. Three men make turn 40 hives in 110-120 in less than an hour. Clint --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ O.K. Honey, I'm coming to bed... Just another minute...