Article 14021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!torn!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A good bee book? Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1998083117562600.NAA24417@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 17:56:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdd494$b3322c20$3b010dd0@static> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14021 >Are there any books that you could reccomend? I need something that is a >real how-to guide for newbies such as myself. As you will probably soon find out, there are more beginner how-to's than you can even think of reading before you get started. Some are, naturally, easier to read and understand than others. My personal favorite for reliable content and direct and easy manner is John Vivian's *Keeping Bees* (Williamson Publishing Co., PO Box 185, Charlotte, VT 05445; copyright 1986; $10.95 paperback -- I've seen it on the shelves recently at the big bookstores). But whichever book you choose first, always supplement one book with another, with a beekeeping periodical, and/or with contact with experienced beekeepers. Things change. New problems and methods arise. Vivian, for example, does not mention Apistan treatment for Varroa mites. But that time-based limitation does not detract from the beautifully written book that tells you the basics in a way that's easy to follow. Step by step, until you have it down. pko ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!feed.nntp.acc.ca!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: M & L White Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to stop robbing Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:12:06 +0000 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35E9B216.515F8C8D@globalserve.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin230.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 904522592 16236 209.90.139.39 (31 Aug 1998 00:16:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 00:16:32 GMT To: Mike Reddy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14022 You may try moving the hive at night if that is possible. Even 6 or 8 feet then the robbers will not find it in the same place the next morning and go elsewhere. Good luck. Article 14023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Need some answers please... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com> Message-ID: <01bdd475$d76aba40$8c10bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 8 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:27:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.16.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 904523233 204.186.16.140 (Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:27:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:27:13 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14023 I believe you would be better off reading and ordering equipment this fall. Don't start a hive now because it will never build up in time to survive winter (which I imagine is pretty stiff out your way). As for buying an existing hive, only buy one from someone you know and trust extremely well because of the risk of disease. Besides that you'll learn more if you start your own from scratch. Even if you bought an established hive now I wouldn't move it until spring. Good luck! Article 14024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldfeed.gte.net!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news.globeset.com!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Bee box" Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:57:07 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6sfcm9$1om$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207180-146.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14024 Hello everyone, I would like to know if anyone has constructed a "bee box" or has a bee box that they have used, their experiences with it, and where they are located. Being a new beekeeper I am very much intrigued by the notion of "bee-hunting" and would like to pursue it further. As always, I appreciate all of your comments and suggestions. Best Regards Marc Article 14025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A good bee book? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:12:17 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35EB7421.2EC@midwest.net> References: <01bdd494$b3322c20$3b010dd0@static> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904623307 .ZFUVYH4M1C15D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14025 Static wrote: > Are there any books that you could reccomend? I need something that is a > real how-to guide for newbies such as myself. Two of many I have found very helpful Beekeeping - A Practical Guide by Richard E. Bonney ISBN 0-88266-861-7 How to Keep Bees And Sell Honey Walter T. Kelly Co. 502-242-2012 AL Article 14026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:23 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co74-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 01 5:05:40 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14026 Hi all! Does anyone have the particulars for placing feed ontop of frames using a baggie? What I understand is that you fill the ziplock baggie and place it directly ontop of the frames & then cut a few small holes in the top. Is this correct? Don't you kill some bees trapped under the weight of the baggie? Is the idea that the bees climb to the top & suck down the syrup/honey until it's empty? I just picked up a 6-8 lb swarm today & combined them with a weaker hive. They'll need as much food as possible so I'm feeding them the excess honey I've pulled from feral hives here & there (400-500 lbs this year, which is mixed with bits of wall, roof, rock, etc....). I'll get around to making some in-hive feeders but since this swarm came around unexpectedly, I'd like to feed them as much honey as they'll eat right away and give them a fighting chance. Thanks in advance of your advice, Matthew in Colorado Article 14027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2-queen hives overwintering? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:25 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35ec8b58.13126422@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co74-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 01 5:05:41 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14027 Just another quick question - Does anyone know if a dual-queen hive over-winters well? Seems to me that one of the queens (separated by an excluder) might easily get 'gyped' and get a smaller number of bees to form the winter cluster (I assume there are two clusters). Is the excluder a potential freeze hazard if it's made of aluminum or steel? I live in Colorado and have been combining a few weaker hives using hardware cloth & separate entrances to acclimate the bees together. If it's necessary, I'll find & kill the weaker of the two queens in each hive before winter sets in. thanks, Matthew Article 14028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: see.sig (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:43:46 GMT Message-ID: <35ede7a5.10406617@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-27.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!insnet.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-27.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14028 On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:23 GMT, fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) wrote: >I'll get around to making some in-hive feeders but since this swarm >came around unexpectedly, I'd like to feed them as much honey as >they'll eat right away and give them a fighting chance. > NEVER feed honey from one hive, to another. It's the best possible way to spread disease. -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Never again did he go round the church, widdershins... Article 14029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:34:08 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6sgt7h$bm1g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-13.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 1 Sep 1998 13:35:45 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/1260ebe4a16b5993 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14029 Used the baggie method of feeding frequently. It worked for some of my hives. Made very few pinholes. Brushed the bees away before putting the bag in place and inverted the inner cover to allow more space. It seemed that some hives would not bother with the feed, others would take it. Pinholes facing bottom and placed at cracks between frames. Article 14030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fall medication?? Date: 31 Aug 1998 04:51:31 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6sda4j$dku@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6sbo13$oim@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.11.186 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14030 Gabe wrote in message <6sbo13$oim@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>... >Hello, > >I am a new beekeeper and I live in New Jersey. I started a 3 pound swarm this April. Everything >went well. Now the Honey flow is coming to an end. What should I do to make sure they make it over >winter? When should I start medicating them and with what? I have read a few books and talked to a >local beekeeper but am still a bit unsure of what needs to be done. I am anxious to keep them >healthy since its only one hive and if lost Id have to start all over. Alos, I am planing to move >them about an hours drive away. When is the best time to move them? > >THanks for all your responses in advance. This newsgroup seems to be VERY helpful, thanks again. > >Gabe > >shriker@ix.netcom.com > 1. You should put Apistan strips in as soon as possible. Most beekeepers in NJ seem to prefer to apply the strips toward the end of summer, rather than waiting for the fall. 2. You should also treat with medicated greases patties, made from Crisco, sugar, and Terramycin, an antibiotic used for bees and farm animals. (both Apistan and Terramycin are available from any beekeeping supply house) 3. I assume the 1 hour drive is more than 3 miles. Since the weather is quite warm and the bees are "bearding" on the outside of the hive, it would be a shame to move the hive and lose those bees that will be insist on staying outside. I'd wait for cooler weather when the bees no longer congregate outside at night. Then in the morning, when it is still cool, seal the entrance with a piece of window screen and a staple gun. Strap the hive together with a strap clamp or hive staples, and just move it any way you can. I hope this is helpful. You might get more informative comments from others with more experience than I have / Curtis > Article 14031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: see.sig (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:42:01 GMT Message-ID: <35ed6e9b.44961043@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bdd5d9$78908a80$4262400c@default> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-30.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-30.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14031 On 1 Sep 1998 18:51:00 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >I agree with the recommendations of a top bar hive (TBH). If you suspend it >from a tree or something you can use pulleys or block and tackle to raise >it or lower it depending on if it is a good sitting or standing day for >you. Also a top bar hive can be placed at ground level, on bricks, and can be manipulated from the side, even from a wheelchair... -- KJ@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Never again did he go round the church, widdershins... Article 14032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A good bee book? Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998090202561400.WAA03265@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1998 02:56:13 GMT References: <35EB7421.2EC@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14032 Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitable's book "The Beekeeper's Handbook" is the most thorough, organized, and well written "general" or "beginning" book. It gives details when needed but explains the basics to get you started. It does not go off into the deep end of the scientific studies but does draw on all the latest science to give great, sound, advice. I highly recommend it of the couple dozen or so basic bee books I've collected. The thrid edition has just been published. It is available from A.I Root (Bee Culture magazine), I have also seen it at Border's Books, so I imagine you can probably order it from your favorite local bookstore, or Amazon if you are so inclined. Good Luck, David Morris Laurel, Md. Article 14033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: jimbo007@webtv.net (J. R.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: special thanks to J. Caldeira Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17990-35ECAA94-60@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAteqaz4sj9wJyPe46ChfQxokIONkCFQDEfv2faKorrShU5gV3PKeB8EMcug== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14033 After answering an e mailed question concerning nectar sources John invited me to join him this past weekend to check on his hives. Since I haven't made the plunge into my own hives yet I was very excited about going. I must say he is a very gracious host. John fixed me up with a suit , veil, gloves and hive tool. I gotta tell ya , I learned more in two hours with John than I have in 6 months of reading and looking at videos about bee management. Am I excited about beekeeping ? Believe it !!! My only problem now is my wife refuses to let me keep them in the game room with the rest of my stuff !! Oh well I guess my bees will have to get accustomed to sleeping outside with the kids. Again, thanks a million John. I really enjoyed it!!!! Article 14034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <13808-35ECCA6D-18@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQEHa8Q1ibqmaAxq/WFpE/MIpMjWQIUJ2Klcipc/xxqxk0WsI19vbpBxTY= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14034 Ron, I visited your Beetools website today and found it very interesting. Thank you for helping me find it. Donna Article 14035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:52:35 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 18 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.47 Message-ID: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14035 Remove the 9 from the address I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast help in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was easy to find. Thank you `Larry Article 14036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:30:18 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 39 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.45 Message-ID: <6s8b5q$2cp$1@news.vic.com> References: <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14036 Rosie: I also remember whan I was a kid we lived in the suburbs in a project, lots size about 50 x 100 and I remember there were many honey bees in the yard on the dasies etc, 45 years ago. But now I live in the country 30 acres and have NEVER seen a honey bee untill I got my hive a few months ago. We also have a wildflower garden NO honeybees. The beekeepers that USED to have hives all lost them to the mite and I cant find anyone withen 40 miles with a hive, although there must be some somewhere. Larry rosie wrote in message <4538-35E768D7-41@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I don't know about other parts of the world. I can only comment on my own back yard. I live in the country and until just about five years ago, I couldn't walk across my yard barefoot (I hate shoes) without being stung by a honeybee. I knew they were honeybees because they always left their stingers. That was the full extent of my knowledge about honeybees. I had a wonderful garden and my cucumbers were extremely plentiful. Then the next summer nothing grew well. The third summer I noticed all kinds of other bees but no honeybees. Most people I talk to haven't seen a honeybee in a long, long time but have only just realized it. I started beekeeping last spring and now have a grand total of eight hives, but have only just begun seeing honey bees in my flowerbeds or working the clover in my lawn. What I find especially frightening is that there are actually children around here who have never seen a honeybee except as a cartoon character. I hope you are right and there are still abundant feral colonies, but regardless, I intend, the good Lord willing, to keep honeybees for as long as I'm able to tend them. Article 14037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk ("MICHAEL HURLEY") Subject: Re: Bee Hive Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: <17FBD9596S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:38:45 GMT Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!peernews.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14037 > In article > <446BA008CC94260F.8B979DA5B8FB9451.6B5735A45DC1B106@library-proxy.airnew > s.net> > "Busy Knight" writes: > > > > >>Does someone have any hints on how to get rid of this without getting > >stung? > > Best way to get rid of a wasp's nest is to spray with a weak solution of Malathiom (as uses for blackfly on roses). The nest will soak up the solution and all brood will be destroyed. But it will take a week or more. > However, we still have not established what kind of bees these are. > Most guesses have been towards some sort of wasp/hornet nest. Remove of > the nest may be as easy as slipping a garbage bag over/around the nest, > sealing the garbage bag up, cutting off the branch and sticking the > whole nest in the freezer. There are many alternatives to chemical > pesticides. > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: 31 Aug 1998 15:01:10 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 44 Message-ID: <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14038 rosie wrote in article <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... snip > I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's > basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. > They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time > being.) > There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health > problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never > know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its > course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, > while poor susceptible honeybees die. snip That is the only solution and how evolution did it with the asian bees were Varroa came from! The only way to get rid of the Varroa-problem (not of Varroa) is to get resistant or tolerant Apis mellifera lines. All treatment is only curing the symptoms and doesn't take the root of the problem. Since I keep bees there are always rumors and news about varroa resistant or tolerant bees in the European beekeeping journals, mainly from commercial queen breeders and only in advertisments never in articles. And the mite is still a problem like ever. So far to the myth of existing "resistant bees" you can already buy. The treatment of beekeepers is still essential for the survival of beekeeping, but it is in fact also contraproductive to the development of resistant Apis mellifera. How do we select our queens? Amount of Honey, number of bees in the hive, peacefullness, development after winter ..... We are currently not selecting for survival power without varroa treatment, because this would kick us out of business for the next unknown number of years and we don't want to watch our hives to die. The Varroa - Mellifera problem is man-made and we cure the symptoms. If you want to think in human health dimensions? -Most of our health problems are also man-made and we need to cure the symptoms. Real solutions in both cases are hard and maybe impossible and would cost a lot of lives. Thats the reality, even if we don't like it. U.H. Article 14039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Wayne Gordon Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:13:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 904785109 207.181.79.143 (Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:11:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:11:49 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14039 Today, I inspected the bee hives, got within 10 feet, and smelt foul odour. It smelt rather fermented. The bees are currently bringing in golden rod. I was wondering if the goldenrod gives off this smell? The bees seem quite contented. Anyone with information would be appreciated. Article 14040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 02:35:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14040 I don't know if it is goldenrod or aster but it smells that way here when the goldenrod is blooming. Don't see many bees actually working goldenrod -many more working Japanese Knotweed (locals call it bamboo) here in SE CT. Article 14041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998090302401200.WAA07612@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 02:40:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35ec76c5.49846375@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14041 I use 1 gallon ziplock bags After they are placed on the inner cover an empty super goes on and the bag gets one slit about 4-5 inches long. If you are carefull you can put your finger in the slit and pull the bag up while refilling it from a watering can or jar. Put the cover back on top of the empty super. Article 14042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:22:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 90 Message-ID: <6sl21h$1ae$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 03:22:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14042 In article <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca>, "Ulli Hoeger" wrote: >rosie wrote (with part snipped off): > > There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health > > problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never > > know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its > > course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, > > while poor susceptible honeybees die. > snip > > That is the only solution and how evolution did it with the asian bees were > Varroa came from! The only way to get rid of the Varroa-problem (not of > Varroa) is to get resistant or tolerant Apis mellifera lines. All > treatment is only curing the symptoms and doesn't take the root of the > problem. Very true. Trick is that completely "letting nature take its course ain't economically viable as you later point out. But there is a workable way around that too. > Since I keep bees there are always rumors and news about varroa resistant > or tolerant bees in the European beekeeping journals, mainly from > commercial queen breeders and only in advertisments never in articles. And > the mite is still a problem like ever. So far to the myth of existing > "resistant bees" you can already buy. As I have repeatedly stated - NO strains of economically Varroa resistant Apis mellifera bees are yet known to exist - this includes our own strain which does show some but not an economic level of resistance to date - yes we have breeder colonies that are indeed economically resistant but not enough of their naturally mated daughters are at this point and time - it is a complex genetic puzzle. There are however HUGE differences in levels of susceptibility amongst unselected strains - some being what we call "mite magnets." > The treatment of beekeepers is still essential for the survival of > beekeeping, but it is in fact also contraproductive to the development of > resistant Apis mellifera. Very true but there is a way to breed for Varroa resistance that does not leave the majority of your colonies untreated. > How do we select our queens? Amount of Honey, number of bees in the hive, > peacefullness, development after winter ..... > We are currently not selecting for survival power without varroa treatment, > because this would kick us out of business for the next unknown number of > years and we don't want to watch our hives to die. We in the Honeybee Improvement Program ARE however selecting for THRIVING survival WITHOUT ANY mite treatment of any kind - not any treatment for either mite and that includes NO extender patties since the grease has some negative effect on the tracheal mites. We don't care to watch legions of hives die either - yet we KNOW that we must sacrifice some if we are ever going to give Nature a chance to work out the genetic solution that we hope will allow us off the chemical dependency cycle most hives are currently on. Each of our Cooperators picks out the VERY best of his/her own colonies each year and takes them to a Untreated HIP test yard which they maintain. After the first winter the scraggly weak ones are weeded out - the dead are also removed - after the second winter IF they also produced that second above average honey crop AND are really STRONG come Spring despite being Untreated now for two years then we determine the best way to use them in our Cooperative breeding program which incorporates the use of AI (or II if you prefer). This allows the HIP test colonies to be selected out of several thousand colonies of bees and yet leaves but a small percentage in any given year at risk via being left untreated. The total risk is spread out via cooperation and we don't recieve any government funding leaving our hands free to do what we feel is most beneficial. For those in the USA we encourage you to pitch in and help us. For those outside the USA we due to regulations cannot cooperate much with you but via sharing of information. We do encourage you to set up your own cooperative breeding programs however and actively help make economic resistance to Varroa and its associated diseases a reality. Jack Griffes Coordinator of the Honeybee Improvement Program http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ jack_griffes At hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:39:53 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 84 Message-ID: <6sahi9$73p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 30 03:39:53 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14043 In article <35e74af3.30931477@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:47:53 -0500, Larry Williard > wrote: > > > Has there been any studies as to whats happining with wild bees and > >varroa. Are we looking at the total extiction of honey bees except in > >captivity. > > Hi Larry, > > The problem is that one small study was reported on a few years ago > that may or may not have been valid and it was picked up by newspapers > and repeated by many who should have known better and became the so > called scientific truth. It never was the truth and in fact feral > hives or the number of feral hives is the function of the number of > kept hives and the environment they are kept in. Good environmental > conditions have returned to much of the United States and feral > populations are in fact on the increase as kept hives and feral hives > swarm. Some urban areas report 300% more swarm calls then in the past > few years. Around here in MI which pre-mite was feral bee heaven there still is a continuing dearth of feral bees. Prior to mites feral hives that made the first winter were very likely to continue to survive for many years - well it ain't that way no more (at least for now). Swarm calls hereabouts continue to be WAY down compared to pre-mite levels. > Honey bee swarms conjugate to certain areas as drone do, no one knows > why and many have guessed everything from air currents, magnetic > fields, and you name it. So these areas have more feral hives. Some of > these areas may be in the middle of a city, in any case in one report > that predicted the end to a feral honey bee populations when the > number of hives continued to be reduced over a period of years has now > has reported an fifteen fold increase to numbers never recorded > before. Of course if there were zero and it went up to fifteen you would have a fifteeen fold increase EVEN IF the same area may have had 50-150 feral colonies in pre-mite days. And realize most places didn't take census of feral colonies in pre-mite days as they just took the bees in the woods as a fact of life not to be worried over. Perhaps that explains the "to numbers NEVER recorded before"???? > Honey bees have never disappeared from any area of the world that can > support them, (has honey bee pasture), once they have been introduced > and that includes many places that are considered to be hostile > environments by man. Odd - Europeans in a number of locales report zero multiple year feral colonies in the very areas where several Apis mellifera races call home. Obviously if you look at whole countries honeybees didn't disappear totally but if you look at prime feral bee areas in the very homeland of a given race and you see NO multiple year feral colonies then perhaps there actually is a problem. We still get growers hereabouts that used to depend totally on feral bees for pollination noticing a dearth of bees - how about one hundred acres of squash blossoms and not one honeybee seen until some were moved in for pollination. I reckon I should go tell the poor fella he needs RK something awful. The cherry trees at our farm bore virtually NO cherries a couple years in a row prior to our purchase according to the prior owner. Once we brought a yard of bees here the trees were LOADED - must have been a mere coincidence I reckon - especially with all the woods (feral honeybee housing) behind us since there are a goodly number of beekeepers within a few miles of here. Now Andy your thesis of abundant feral colonies may be perfectly correct out there - I couldn't tell ya - but as I have pointed out before it flat ain't that way here - come have a look-see for yourself if ya wish. Jack Griffes Onsted, MI -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998090303265900.XAA14812@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 03:26:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14044 From: Wayne Gordon Anderson <> Yup. Some people stoutly maintain that it's asters that smell, but the odor always appears around here before asters bloom. Makes a nice spicy honey, when it's finished off. BTW, the odor is a great bear attractant, if you have any around....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost Queen?? Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:56:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6sl428$5hd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01bdd520$8d87d100$8e62400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 03:56:56 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14045 In article <01bdd520$8d87d100$8e62400c@default>, "George Styer" wrote: > I recently had a queenless hive with no eggs or brood. I transfered 2 > frames of eggs and brood from another hive and they raised a queen just > fine. I checked after a couple of weeks so I know she was there. After a > couple more weeks, no queen, eggs or brood could be found. I then checked > the hive right next to it and found a new queen in there (the old one was > marked) but no evidence of supercedure cells. Is it possible that this > queen that the queenless hive raised returned from her mating flight to the > wrong hive and killed the old marked queen? YES!!! We have released marked virgins into mating nucs (and also marked the nucs) only to find the little devils all nice and marked and laying in completely different nucs (or colonies when fool enough to have colonies near mating nucs) after they mated. One now dead and gone HIP breeder queen with some very good attributes had quite a high percentage of her daughters pulling this undesirable stunt on one of our Cooperators during one batch (environmental conditions are an obvious potential) - he marked the virgins he released with a distinctive color only used on them - he is still finding these queens in colonies he KNOWS he did not put them in. And yes it has happened to me as well. VERY disheartening to find queenless nucs especially when the cause becomes so clear. > I have introduced 3 more frames of eggs and brood to the still queenless > hive. There was no evidence of a laying worker after about 6 - 8 weeks of > being queenless. More than likely they ain't actually been queenless that long then. Do they have a queen that can't fly due to shrivelled up wings?? (usually they would try to make her fly and thus lose her) >This leaves me to wonder: 1) how long does it take for a > hive to develop laying workers only a couple weeks normally - truly queenless >and 2) will a hopelessly queenless hive > always develop laying workers. always???? generally YES - and actually it ain't impossible for laying workers to exist in good strong queenright colonies Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: APIMONDIA '99 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 04:00:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 162 Message-ID: <6sl498$68u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 04:00:40 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14046 this appeared on BeeBreed - thought it would interest the folks on sci.agriculture.beekeeping - in multiple languages ==================== Greetings,Attached you will find the next press release relating to the Apimondia'99 congress to be held in Vancouver, Canada, 12-18September, 1999. We are working on a large press package that may go out sometime in the next month. This is intended for editors of journals, and will provide you with much information concerning Vancouver and the plans for Apimondia'99. Thanks for your continuing interest. Hope to see you in Vancouver ina year! Gard W. Otis and Fran KayPromotion Committee ********************************************************************** APIMONDIA'99 OFFERS GREAT TOURISMOPPORTUNITIES Vancouver, Canada, in addition to being the site of the Apimondia'99 world beekeeping congress, has just been voted the "1998 Best International Destination." Located on Canada's west coast, Vancouver was recently awarded this distinction by the North American Travel Journalists Association (NATJA). "Its mix of water and mountain scenery, hospitality, hotels, and attractions, and its proximity to other great destinations like Victoria, Whistler ski resort, and Seattle all influence its appeal," says Dan Schlossberg, President, NATJA. It was previously voted one of the 10 best destinations for travel by Cond‚ Nast Travelermagazine. Vancouver offers something for everyone. Because of its relatively mild climate, Vancouver has numerous botanical gardens in modern to traditional Chinese and Japanese designs, all with a spectacular mountain backdrop. Only a short walk from the Apimondia congress, Stanley Park combines gardens with natural habitats, a perfect setting for its famed Vancouver Aquarium and many kilometres of trails that can be explored on foot or rented bicycle.Vancouver is alive with activities. In mid-September, Apimondia'99 will share the city with the hundreds of shows from the Vancouver Theatre Festival. Take in native arts at the Vancouver Museum or Museum of Anthropology, and international art at the Vancouver Art Gallery. Music performances range from classical to alternative, with everything in between. Young and old alike will enjoy the 5-storey wraparound IMAX Theatre and Science World. And of course, there are lively shopping districts, including the antique and native art shops of old Vancouver, the underground 4-block long Pacific Center Mall, and the always fascinating Robson street where the diversity of Vancouver's people can be seen at any time of day or night. The city can serve as your base for day trips to fish for salmon and other sport fish, watch whales, cross the thrilling Capilano Suspension Bridge, roll through forests and rock cliffs on the restored antique Royal Hudson steam train, or journey in a ski lift to the top of Grouse Mountain overlooking the city. A cruise of Vancouver harbor at sunset is a wonderful way to end the day. There won't be much snow to experience in September at the world-reknowned Whistler Ski Resort, but the beauty of the mountains is worth the trip! And of course, within a few hours drive are many famous mountain parks in the Canadian Rockies and North Cascades Mountains. Visitors to Vancouver are always impressed by its safe, clean, and friendly nature. Considering its spectacular waterfront setting, its mountainous panoramas, the international atmosphere of its people and restaurants, and the relatively high value of foreign currencies relative to the Canadian dollar, it is not surprising that tourists flock here from throughout the world. Come to Apimondia'99 and you will experience a world-class beekeeping congress in a world-class city: Vancouver! To receive more information, check the website at http://www.apimondia99.ca. To receive the 2nd circular with meeting details, contact Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V6B 5C6; Fax: 604-681-2503; E-mail: congress@venuewest.com ********************************************************************** Press Release #4: 1 de septiembre, 1998 Apimondia'99 Ofrece Grandes Oportunidades TurĦsticas Vancouver, Canada, adem s de ser el lugar donde se realizar Apimondia'99, ha sido elegida como el "Mejor Destino Internacional de 1998." Vancouver, ubicado en la costa oeste de Canada, fu‚ recientemente premiada con esta distinci˘n por la Asociaci˘n de Viaje de Periodistas Norte Americana (AVPNA). "La combinaci˘n del mer cerca de las monta¤as, la hospitalidad de la gente, los buenos hoteles, y la proximidad a otras atracciones como Victoria, la estaci˘n de esquĦ Whistler, y Seattle dan a Vancouver su caracter attractivo," dij˘ Dan Schlossberg, Presidente de AVPNA. Vancouver fu‚ previamente elegida como uno de los diez mejores destinos de viaje por la revista Cond‚ Nast Traveler. Vancouver ofrece algo para todos. Por su clima relativemente templado, Vancouver cuenta con numerosos jardines bot nicos de modernos dise¤os, como tambi‚n con los tradicionales dise¤os chinos y japoneses, todos con una espectacular vista de monta¤as. Solamente a unos cuantos pasos del congreso de Apimondia'99, se encuentra el Parque Stanley que es una mezcla de jardines con naturales habitats, un lugar ideal para su famoso Aquario Vancouver y senderos de muchos kil˘metros los cuales pueden ser recorridos a pie o en bicicleta alquilada. Vancouver esta llena de actividades. A mediados de septiembre, Apimondia'99 compartir la ciudad con los cientos de presentaciones del Festival de Teatro de Vancouver. Podr n apreciar el arte nativo en el Museo de Vancouver o el Museo de AntropologĦa, y el arte internacional ser expuesto en la Galeria de Arte de Vancouver. Tambi‚n habr n funciones musicales que varian de lo cl sico a lo alternativo. Viejos y jovenes conjuntamente disfrutar n del teatro de 5-pisos IMAX y el Mundo de la Ciencia. Y por supuesto hay diferentes centros comerciales, incluyendo las tiendas de antiguedades y de arte nativo del viejo Vancouver, el mall subterr neo de cuatro cuadras Pacific Center, y la siempre fascinante calle de Robson donde la diversidad de la gente de Vancouver puede ser apreciada tanto de dĦa como de noche. La ciudad puede servirle como su base de viajes de dĦa para pescar salm˘n y otros pescados de deporte, ver ballenas, cruzar el electrizante Puente de Suspenci˘n Capilano, pasear a trav‚s de los bosques y los riscos de las rocas en el antiguo ahora renovado tren a vapor Royal Hudson, o viajar en el ascensor de esquiar a la cima de la Monta¤a Grouse para admirar la ciudad desde lo alto. Un crucero por el puerto y las orillas de Vancouver a la puesta del sol es una maravillosa forma de terminar el dĦa. No habr mucha nieve para ver en septiembre en el mundialmente reconocido estaci˘n de esquĦ Whistler, pero la belleza de sus monta¤as hacen que este viaje sea invaluable. Y por supuesto a pocas horas en carro se encuentran los famosos Parques Nacionales Banff y Jasper en las Monta¤as Rockies. Los turistas que visitan Vancouver siempre quedan impresionados de la seguridad, limpieza, y la amigable naturaleza de esta ciudad. Teniendo en consideraci˘n sus espectaculares costas, sus panoramas monta¤osos, el ambiente internacional de su gente y restaurantes, y el relativo alto valor de la moneda extranjera comparada al dolar canadiense, no es sorpresa quebandadas de turistas de todo el mundo visiten Vancouver. ­Participe en Apimondia'99 y usted tendr la experiencia de un congreso apicultural de clase mundial en una ciudad de clasemundial--Vancouver! Para obtener m s informaci˘n, visitenos a nuestra p gina a: http//www.vancouver99.ca. Para recibir la segunda circular con los detalles de la reuni˘n, contactese con Venue West Conference Services, #645 - 375 Water Street, Vancouver, BC V6B 5C6, Canada; FAX: (604) 681-2503; correo electr˘nico:congress@venuewest.com ****************************************************************** APIMONDIA'99: PRESS RELEASE #4: 1 September, 1998 Die APIMONDIA'99 bietet erstklassige Reisegelegenheitenund Attraktionen Die Stadt Vancouver in Canada ist nicht nur der Austellungsort der Apimondia'99, des Welt Kongressess der Imkerei, sondern hat auch gerade den Titel "1998 Best International Destination"errungen. An der Westkste Kanada's gelegen, Vancouver ist krzlich mit diesem Titel, den die Vereinigung der nordamerikanischen Reisejournalisten (North American Travel Journalists Association (NATJA)) vergibt, pr„sentiert worden. "Die richtige Mischung von Wasser, Bergen, Gastfreundschaft, Hotels, und Attraktionen, sowie die N„he zu anderen Orten wie Victoria, das Whistler Ski Gebiet und Seattle pr„gen die Anziehungskraft Vancouvers" sagt Dan Schlossberg der Pr„sident der NATJA. Vancouver hat, bedingt durch das relativ milde Klima, viele Botanische G„rten in modernen bis zu traditionellen chinesischen und japanischen Designs. Ganz in der N„he des Apimondia Kongressess liegt der Stanley Park. Eine Kombination von natrlichen G„rten, dem berhmten Vancouver Aquarium und vielen Kilometern Wanderwegen die zu Fuss oder per gemietetem Fahrrad zu erkunden sind. Mitte September ist eine der Zeiten, wenn Vancouver vor Leben und Aktivt„ten sprht. Die Apimondia'99 wird die Stadt mit hunderten von Shows des Vancouver Theater Festivals teilen. Das Vancouver Museum oder das anthropologische Museum, und internationale Kunst in der Vancouver Kunstgallerie bieten etwas fr jeden Geschmack. Musikveranstaltungen rangieren von klassischer bis zu alternativer Musik, sowie alles dazwischenliegende. Jung und alt werden am 5-etagigen IMAX Theater und Science World Gefallen finden . Natrlich sind da lebendige Einkaufsstrassen mit Antik- und Eingeborenenkunstshops im alten Vancouver, die Untergrund Pacific Center Mall, und natrlich die faszinierende Robson Street, wo die Verschiedenheit der Einwohner Vancouver's zum Ausdruckkomm. Die Stadt kann als Basis fr Tagesausflge zum angeln von Lachs oder anderen Fischen dienen, ausserdem sind Wale gesehen worden. Oder berqueren Sie die aufregende Capilano Suspenion Brcke, oder nehmen Sie den restaurierten, antiken Royal Hudson Dampfzug durch Waelder und steinigen Kliffs, oder nehmen Sie den Skilift zum Gipfel des Grouse Mountain, der einen Ausblick auf die Stadt bietet. Eine Schiffahrt durch den Hafen Vancouvers im Sonnenuntergang ist ein wunderbarer Weg den Tag zu beenden. Im Whistler Ski Resort wird wahrscheinlich nicht viel Schnee im September zu erwarten sein, aber die Schoenheit der Berge ist die Reise wert! Ausserdem sind Sie in einigen Stunden in den berhmten Parks der kanadischen Rockies und der North CascadesMountains. Besucher Vancouver's sind immer wieder beeindruckt ber die Sicherheit, Sauberkeit, und Freundlichkeit der Stadt. Touristen aus der ganzen Welt werden von der spektakul„ren Wasserfront, dem Bergischen Panorama und der internationalen Atmosph„re der Menschen und Restaurants, sowie dem guten Stand der anderen W„hrungen im Vergleich zum kanadischen Dollar, angezogen. Kommen Sie zur Apimondia'99 und Sie werden einen erstklassigen Imker Kongress in einer Weltklasse Stadt:Vancouver! Fr mehr und aktuelle Informationen besuchen Sie uns bitte im Internet: http://www.apimondia99.ca. Um das zweite Rundschreiben, welches detallierte Informationen ber alle Aspekte des XXXVI Internationalen Kongreá - Apimondia'99 enthalten wird, wenden Sie sich bitte an:Apimondia'99, c/o Venue West Conference Services #645-375 Water Street, Vancouver, B.C., KANADA V6B 5C6 FAX: 604-681-2503, email: < congress@venuewest.com > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Lines: 48 Message-ID: <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Sep 1998 06:04:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14047 >Another mite treatment that was discussed involved a small amount of >tobacco in the smoker. In all my book learnin' and internet surfin' I >don't think I've ever come across that bit of wisdom. If anyone out >there has info on that method I'd sure like to hear more. In Sammataro and Avitabile's *The Beekeeper's Handbook* 3rd edition (Comstock division of Cornell U. Press, 1998) there is a description of this method on page 142. They describe it both as a detection method and as a stopgap treatment only for use when it is impossible to treat with Apistan. Their suggestion for the detection method is 1 ounce of pipe tobacco in the hive smoker, puff bees 6-10 times, close hive for 10-20 minutes. The bottom board is to be covered with a "sticky board" (covered by mesh or hardware cloth to keep the bees out of it) onto which the mites will fall and be stuck, allowing the beekeeper to count fallen mites in order to assess the level of infestation. The stopgap treatment method is less precisely described. In fact, S & A only say: "Tobacco smoke (or wheat flour sprinkled on adult bees) knocks mites off bees, thus lowering their numbers. Use this if you have supered for honey. Smoke the colony heavily, or dust bees lightly with flour (being careful not to get flour into uncapped brood cells). Insert sticky boards to catch the mites. This is an emergency treatment only, for when you cannot use strips. Repeat in one week, because it will not affect mites in brood cells." James E. Tew in an article in *Bee Culture* in July of last year mentioned that tobacco was the fuel for early hive smokers. Have we found a reasonable (or compelling) reason to return to that pattern? Or not? Does anyone know what effect tobacco smoke has on the bees? (Not that I expect them to get lung cancer in their short lives.) And, as easily as tobacco smoke odor permeates the clothing of a nonsmoker in a room of smokers, and as long as the absorbed odor lingers, for example, does it really do nothing to the quality of the honey in the supers? And, if we use tobacco smoke regularly through the summer, do mites become resistant to it as they do to the stronger stuff when it's used wrong? Any *evidence* one way or the other about tobacco and bees/honey beyond what Sammataro and Avitabile say? paul ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sources re Russian bees? Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:42:30 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6sl376$4bk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 03 03:42:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14048 In article <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com>, kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) wrote: > Would someone please direct me to the most reliable print sources concerning > the Russian bees being talked about recently? > > pko The supposed idea behind importing Russian bees from that particular area is that they have lived with Varroa there for longer that most anywhere else - something like 40-50 years - claims of no treatment in the area are made but perhaps they don't consider something a treatment which actually is. There has been some info in Amercian Bee Journal over the past couple years - primarily about the USDA taking trips over to look at them initially and now that they have imported them little will likely be said until the data of their tests are in. If they follow YUGO protocol they will pick out some HIGHLY susceptible stock to test them against - hmmm - I wonder why they don't test things against the most resistant stock available in the USA?. At release time expect a BIG media blitz. Then if you decide to try them out please give them a limited initial test as unless they learned something via YUGO the Russian bees may not have actually been tested for important traits of economic value - such as high fecundity - large cluster size - good combining ability - honey producing zeal and so forth. As to reliability of print sources - hmmm - since the USDA controls all the importation and also all the testing and also produces the media blitz to promote them at release time - hmmm - and since the USDA currently has a basic monopoly on legal bee importations and thus a vested interest in making an occasional stock release of some imported stock or other - hmmm - I guess you will have to judge that one for yourself. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Zettastone@webtv.net (rosie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRazKnA03ICRi7s2aMMnIqlL50XkQIUdLcdUUtxQZnmi2T4q3PbE5EsDVU= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14049 Please don't share your views with the powers that be over healthcare in this country. It just might set them to thinking. Why would they want to waste their time and our money saving the sick. Just set back and wait, stop research, and why waste all that vaccine against small pox, polio, flu, etc. In time the weak will disappear and the strong will survive. At least until another killer bacteria comes out of the jungle. I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time being.) There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, while poor susceptible honeybees die. Article 14050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Gabe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on Moving bees Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:07:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6sbo9g$omi@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trn-nj2-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 30 7:40:48 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14050 Hello, I am a new beekeeper and live in New Jersey. I started a 3 pound swarm this spring and it has grown very nicely. The Honey flow is coming to an end. I am planning to move them this fall to a place thats about 1 1/2 hours away. I am not sure when it is best to move them and how. Can anyone send suggestions on how to move them without over heating them or otherwise causing them harm. Thanks Gabe shriker@ix.netcom.com Article 14051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Moeller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:50:11 -0500 Organization: NORAN Instruments, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35EE9E93.AC1C1286@noran.com> References: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zuul.noran.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14051 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Foul smelling odour"? Sounds a lot like American or European Foulbreed to me. Working with my Dad (the late Dr. Floyd E. Moeller, research apiculturist for the USDA and a pioneer in research on Foulbrood diseases of honeybees) years ago, I had opportunity to experience the odor several times -- a kind of sour stink in the advanced stages, unlike the more pleasant and mild aroma from normal brood. If it is Foulbrood, you will notice a rather inconsistent brood chamber, kind of mottled looking, with perhaps some honey and/or pollen cells mixed in (healthy brood combs should contain no honey or pollen.) Anyway, just a thought. I could be wrong (usually am.) -- Timothy Moeller --------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Timothy Moeller Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Timothy Moeller n: Moeller;Timothy org: NORAN Instruments adr: 2551 West Beltline Hwy.;;;Middleton;WI;53562;USA email;internet: tmoeller@noran.com title: Senior Software Engineer tel;work: (608) 836-4119 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------5E4AE88A648545F3D2505B08-- Article 14052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: 3 Sep 1998 14:12:05 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bdd744$cf852780$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mij.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14052 Kashimori wrote in article <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com>... -snip- > Does anyone know what effect tobacco smoke has on the bees? (Not that I expect > them to get lung cancer in their short lives.) And, as easily as tobacco smoke > odor permeates the clothing of a nonsmoker in a room of smokers, and as long as > the absorbed odor lingers, for example, does it really do nothing to the > quality of the honey in the supers? And, if we use tobacco smoke regularly > through the summer, do mites become resistant to it as they do to the stronger > stuff when it's used wrong? If you use pipe tobacco regulary in your smoker you'll get all the good stuff smokers love in your hives and if somebody examines your honey and wax he will find nicotine, taar and all the other "healthy" ingredients. I don't think that the bees care what kind of plant stuff you burn to produce smoke. Burn what ever you want, but keep in mind that it will bounce back in honey, wax and other bee products. BTW In fact tobacco was used in the past at least in European beekeeping to produce smoke. But since a few years tobacco is vanished from the catalogs of suppliers. That was the time when they started to scan honey more frequently for residues. mainly varroa treatment stuff in mind. Ulli Article 14053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:21:57 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 28 Sender: sagdeg@208.24.176.45 Message-ID: <6smn5t$bo6$1@news.vic.com> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> <35EDEE73.EB077D02@access.mountain.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14053 Herschel: I live in south Alabama. Cant find queen today marked or not, but still finding plenty of eggs, capped brood, uncapped brood, all stages. I decided to put an excluder between the boxes and introduce the new queen to the upper box which had capped and uncapped brood but no eggs, I dont think they swarmed, but am pretty sure they are queen cells. Couldnt find the marked queen in front of the hive either. Larry Herschel Shamblin wrote in message <35EDEE73.EB077D02@access.mountain.net>... >Larry, > If you have a hatched queen cell your marked queen is probably >gone.Could they have swarmed and you missed capturing them? If not the young >queen has killed the marked queen.Sometimes you can look on the ground in front >of the hive and find the dead queen.I do not know what part of the country you >live in but here in West Virginia we would never split a hive this late in the >year,they would not be strong enough to survive the winter > Herschel. > Article 14054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2-queen hives overwintering? Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:08:19 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <35ec8b58.13126422@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14054 In article <35ec8b58.13126422@nntp.ix.netcom.com> fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) writes: >From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) >Subject: 2-queen hives overwintering? >Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:06:25 GMT >Just another quick question - >Does anyone know if a dual-queen hive over-winters well? Seems to me >that one of the queens (separated by an excluder) might easily get >'gyped' and get a smaller number of bees to form the winter cluster (I >assume there are two clusters). You do have to separate the two queens with a board. If the bees have the possibility to gather with one of the queens they will do, after you have finished feeding you also have stop the bees possibility to move from one queen to the other on top of the frames. Knut Article 14055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:46:08 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6snkel$s4r$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <35ec76c5.49846375@news.earthlink.net> <1998090302401200.WAA07612@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust242.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Thu Sep 3 19:48:54 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14055 How long can you keep the syrup in the bag before it goes bad???? Article 14056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Question on Moving bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6sbo9g$omi@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <01bdd476$39cb5be0$8c10bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:29:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.16.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 904523399 204.186.16.140 (Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:29:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:29:59 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14056 Move them in the early spring if possible, perhaps late march if the weather breaks a little. It'll be cool then. Screen the entrance and wrap duct tape around the entire hive in both directions. Also, in the spring the hive will be the lightest that it will be all year. Move them at night when all the bees are present and accounted for. Wear your veil when you remove the screen. Article 14057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1998090404513700.AAA10002@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 04:51:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <17FC6970AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14057 >>"Foul smelling odour"? Sounds a lot like American or European Foulbreed >>to me.... >> -- Timothy Moeller >I think this is a rather alarmist, hip shot diagnosis of what was >originally described. The original posted stated that he smells the >odor a good distance from his hives without opening them up. Tim may >have a much better olfactory organ than I, but I cannot smell AFB without >sticking my nose into infected brood and certainly cannot smell AFB In all due respect, any trained nose can smell AFB from a considerable distance away, actually, even an untrained nose can smell AFB from a considerable distance away! In reference to olfactory sense being more developed, if you cannot pick up on the smell, you might want to get checked by an MD...this AFB stench is STRONG! Just a thought... Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 14058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dugan1@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Did I hear piping? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:38:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6scuq1$omf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.204.108 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 31 01:38:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.241.204.108 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14058 I had my one and only hive open today down to the bottom hive body, and heard a sound coming from down within the lower hive body. It seemed to emanate from the lower portion of one of the center frames. It sounded just like a sound I remember from an old Atari-era video game, and "beeped" 6 to 10 times at a frequency of about 2 per second, then quit. This repeated about 1-2 minutes later. Not terribly loud, but clearly audible over the hum of the bees. A bit like the sound of a (U.S.) garbage truck backing up, but not as high-pitched, nor as loud, and with more of a buzz to the sound. I remember reading that a newly-emerged queen will start "piping" to see if there's a response from another newly-emerged or soon-to-emerge queen, so she can locate and kill the competition. Is this what I heard in my hive today? If so, does this mean my hive has undergone or is undergoing supersedure? I did not see queen cells on the frames I inspected in either hive body, but I only looked at about half of them (didn't think about searching all frames for Q cells until all was closed back up). I was surprised how little brood I saw on the frames I did inspect - spotty pattern filling about 1/3 to 1/2 of the inner frames in the top hive body, almost no brood in the bottom hive body. I also didn't think to look for eggs until too late. There was also less honey than I expected to see. If not supersedure, could this be a sign of imminent swarming? The hive has been a bit crowded since I extracted in July, and even with a new super of undrawn foundation on, now that goldenrod is starting to bloom, the entire front of the lower hive body is usually covered with bees when the foragers are home. As I mentioned, goldenrod is just starting here in northeast Tennessee, at about 2000 ft. elevation. If this is a supersedure, does this mean I will miss most or all of the fall honey crop? What about hive strength for the winter? If hive survival is at risk, should I feed syrup to the large population of bees alive now, to build up witner stores? If the hive survives the winter, would it mean I would not necessarily need to re-queen next fall (assuming 2nd-year requeening)? Thanks in advance from a 1st year beekeeper-wannabe. I posted via deja-news to avoid spam, but if you prefer to reply to me directly, use dugan1#usit.net, but replace the # with a @. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sources re Russian bees? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 18:02:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14059 Would someone please direct me to the most reliable print sources concerning the Russian bees being talked about recently? pko ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@see.below (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa question Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:51:36 GMT Message-ID: <35eaf445.21152775@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <01bdd4f0$1eee1180$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-71.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-71.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14060 On 31 Aug 1998 15:01:10 GMT, "Ulli Hoeger" wrote: > > >rosie wrote in article ><7001-35E8F53A-48@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >snip >> I know, that's a little extreme, but think about it. It's >> basically the same concept. Bees were abundant until they got sick. >> They need cured. We have treatments that work (at least for the time >> being.) >> There could well be simple solutions to all the honeybee health >> problems, but without actively seeking those solutions, we will never >> know. I don't think we can just kick back and let "nature take its >> course" evolving that perfect "resistent bee" with the great genes, >> while poor susceptible honeybees die. >snip > >That is the only solution and how evolution did it with the asian bees were >Varroa came from! The only way to get rid of the Varroa-problem (not of >Varroa) is to get resistant or tolerant Apis mellifera lines. All >treatment is only curing the symptoms and doesn't take the root of the >problem. >Since I keep bees there are always rumors and news about varroa resistant >or tolerant bees in the European beekeeping journals, mainly from >commercial queen breeders and only in advertisments never in articles. And >the mite is still a problem like ever. So far to the myth of existing >"resistant bees" you can already buy. >The treatment of beekeepers is still essential for the survival of >beekeeping, but it is in fact also contraproductive to the development of >resistant Apis mellifera. >How do we select our queens? Amount of Honey, number of bees in the hive, >peacefullness, development after winter ..... >We are currently not selecting for survival power without varroa treatment, >because this would kick us out of business for the next unknown number of >years and we don't want to watch our hives to die. >The Varroa - Mellifera problem is man-made and we cure the symptoms. > >If you want to think in human health dimensions? -Most of our health >problems are also man-made and we need to cure the symptoms. >Real solutions in both cases are hard and maybe impossible and would cost a >lot of lives. > >Thats the reality, even if we don't like it. > >U.H. It would seem that the 'hobby' beekeeper is probably in a better position to look for 'cures'... but where does the money, the time, and the numbers of bees to experiment on, come from? More co-operation, and exchange of ideas? Yes, clearly, but pressure on governments is needed, too, to encourage them to fund research, which after all, is vital, if they are to have any kind of agricultral policy, and indeed, agriculture! -- jaf@jaf.nildramDELETETHIS.co.uk Smoke 'em if ya gottem, if ya ain't gottem then ya hit rock bottom. Article 14061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.newengland.verio.net!news.pn.com!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Imker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Homepage is Update Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:57 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bdd45d$f54615e0$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: pf-net-host-80.seitz.de X-Trace: goof.de.uu.net 904593477 17264 193.155.171.80 (31 Aug 1998 19:57:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@de.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14061 Hi, My new Homepage is in Internet wish you at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/MMarbach Thanks Article 14062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.newengland.verio.net!news.pn.com!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Imker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Meine neue Homepage Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:59 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bdd45e$3d32ddc0$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: pf-net-host-80.seitz.de X-Trace: goof.de.uu.net 904593479 17264 193.155.171.80 (31 Aug 1998 19:57:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@de.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:57:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14062 Hallo, Meine neue Homepage mit Bienen infos und ein paar Bilder schau mal vorbei: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/MMarbach Danke und viel Spass Article 14063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with medications ? Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998083120315200.QAA27877@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:31:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <4537-35E72F10-42@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14063 Try the direct approach at http://members.aol.com/beetools Ron Bennett, Luckimaute Bee Article 14064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lost Queen?? Date: 31 Aug 1998 20:47:20 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bdd520$8d87d100$8e62400c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.142 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14064 I recently had a queenless hive with no eggs or brood. I transfered 2 frames of eggs and brood from another hive and they raised a queen just fine. I checked after a couple of weeks so I know she was there. After a couple more weeks, no queen, eggs or brood could be found. I then checked the hive right next to it and found a new queen in there (the old one was marked) but no evidence of supercedure cells. Is it possible that this queen that the queenless hive raised returned from her mating flight to the wrong hive and killed the old marked queen? I have introduced 3 more frames of eggs and brood to the still queenless hive. There was no evidence of a laying worker after about 6 - 8 weeks of being queenless. This leaves me to wonder: 1) how long does it take for a hive to develop laying workers and 2) will a hopelessly queenless hive always develop laying workers. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 14065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:12:51 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35EB3BA9.403B@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.48.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904598021 VRL06/YYI30BBCDBDC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14065 Hi All, How long can Apistan be stored? And how should it be stored? Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998090413381100.JAA02618@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 13:38:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6snkel$s4r$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14066 >How long can you keep the syrup in the bag before it goes bad???? > > hmm, i'd say if they haven't emptied it within a week they didn't need it any way. usually if there is a flow on they'll take the natural over food you give them unless your sugar content is WAY higher than your local nectar Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Possible Varroa Predator Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1998090414010900.KAA04406@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 14:01:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14067 Greetings all ! I'd like to take a moment to share an experiance with you in hopes of many replies. I do on the average 2 - 7 colony removals each summer. I have noticed an interesting thing. In almost every colony, whether inside a wall, in a barn, in a tree or inside a tar barrel , there were of course a large number of varroa present as is to be expected in untreated colonies. BUT.... This year three of those colonies had almost no varroa present ( i cant swear to it but i'm almost sure one had none at all ) Now all of this summers colonies were identical in every way, so to speak..essentialy same area, weather, food sources, types of wood ..etc , except for one almost overlooked item. The 3 colonnies with no mites had house guests in the form of large very bright red roaches. I've seen wood roaches before in ferral hives of course but these guys were larger and when i say red i mean they were almost blood red. The bees totally ignored the roaches and i even saw one up on the comb instead of down in the bottom area where they usually hang out. Now my question is this.... Could our little pests have been discovered to be tastey morsels by natures garbage men ? Lets all take a few to think this one out, please copy this and pass it around, if you happen to be in FLA, send it to lawrence cutts, if near one of the labs give it to em. I'm gonna try and find me some of those red roaches, and a colony eat up with varroa , capture a handful of bees and jar em and see if the roaches munch out. I'm in Lillington North Carolina, all the colonies were collected within 30 miles of here. Thanks Kevin Johnson Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "örjan rudstedt" Subject: moving hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bdd70c$71795b80$32f0f482@-rjan> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.244.240.50 X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 904929254 130.244.240.50 (Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:14:14 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:14:14 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-259810@dialup240-4-2.swipnet.se X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:14:14 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14068 Preparing my bees for the winter I have realized that one of my hives should be moved to a better place about 10 meters away. The place is better in many aspects , less windy more sunny ...The bees still are very activ during daytime. Could somebody tell me When is the best time to move a hive. I remember I did i before during winter but had a loss in that hive that I thougt was due to the transport. Grateful for every advice. Örjan Rudstedt http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41909 omnia semper nunc Article 14069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35F04276.348E7035@access.mountain.net> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:41:43 -0400 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. References: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> <35EE9E93.AC1C1286@noran.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.20.111 Lines: 39 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.20.111 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14069 If the bees are working Golden Rod you will notice a sour smell also not to pleasant.This is no danger to the bees. Herschel Tim Moeller wrote: > "Foul smelling odour"? Sounds a lot like American or European Foulbreed > to me. Working with my Dad (the late Dr. Floyd E. Moeller, research > apiculturist for the USDA and a pioneer in research on Foulbrood > diseases of honeybees) years ago, I had opportunity to experience the > odor several times -- a kind of sour stink in the advanced stages, > unlike the more pleasant and mild aroma from normal brood. If it is > Foulbrood, you will notice a rather inconsistent brood chamber, kind of > mottled looking, with perhaps some honey and/or pollen cells mixed in > (healthy brood combs should contain no honey or pollen.) Anyway, just a > thought. I could be wrong (usually am.) > > -- Timothy Moeller > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Timothy Moeller > Senior Software Engineer > NORAN Instruments > > Timothy Moeller > Senior Software Engineer > NORAN Instruments > 2551 West Beltline Hwy. Work: (608) 836-4119 > Middleton Netscape Conference Address > WI Netscape Conference DLS Server > 53562 > USA > Additional Information: > Last Name Moeller > First Name Timothy > Version 2.1 Article 14070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving hives Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998090419542700.PAA09305@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 19:54:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdd70c$71795b80$32f0f482@-rjan> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14070 > >Preparing my bees for the winter I have realized that one of my hives >should be moved to a better place about 10 meters away. >The place is better in many aspects , less windy more sunny ...The bees >still are very activ during daytime. >Could somebody tell me >When is the very simply put, move them no more than 3 feet each night. if they are observed going back to a previious point in the movement, move back to there and start over Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:14:07 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6sp0j8$76e$1@news.vic.com> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.43 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14071 I Guess either I should already know the answer or its a tough question. Larry Larry Williard wrote in message <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com>... > Remove the 9 from the address > > I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive >into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 >consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood >and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and >another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all >the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each >box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast help >in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. >Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in >the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was >easy to find. > > Thank you > `Larry > > Article 14072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:49:15 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6spjqs$pmv$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6snkel$s4r$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <1998090413381100.JAA02618@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust89.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Fri Sep 4 13:50:36 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14072 What is a good ratio of sugar to water for this type of feeding? Article 14073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Static" Subject: Re: Varroa question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E6D129.E0349933@bigfoot.com> <6s8k5u$iua$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: InterZone Message-ID: <01bdd3cb$a4be5200$7b010dd0@static> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.1.123 Date: 30 Aug 98 04:19:21 GMT Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.13.0.3!news.glasscity.net!208.13.1.123 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14073 > Some of you might be wondering why I didn't contact USDA about these bees. > I did and never received a call back. I figure that with the Russian bees and all > findings bees with resistance in our back yard might cost somebody their job. > > Being a state bee inspector at the time I also reported it to my superiors at the > main office and never even got a return call from the boss? If you think that the > federal or state gov'ts give a damn about your bees you better think again. Ever considered trying to capture and breed these bees yourself? Could make you a millionaire. . . If the authorities are not interested, take the initiative and do yourself and the bee community a favor. If there are mite resistant bees, I imagine people would be happy to buy them. I know I would. Howard Article 14074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Plans Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:57:10 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35EA1106.6679@midwest.net> References: <35e8c882.2360800@news.kdsi.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904532404 .ZFUVYH4M1C1CD0EBC usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14074 Joe wrote: > > Does anybody have some simple plans for a hive? 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  --------------56F85925A320A4B71E885130-- Article 14077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998090511134200.HAA09753@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 11:13:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6spjqs$pmv$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14077 > >What is a good ratio of sugar to water for this type of feeding? > to promote brood production 1 part sugar 1 part water to add weight to the hives in the fall 2 parts sugar 1 part water Article 14078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998090511164400.HAA13141@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 11:16:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35F04276.348E7035@access.mountain.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14078 Stop do not panic foul smell with a hint of ammonia or a too wet compost smell would be time to do a close inspection for disease. goldenrod/aster has a strong smell not a rotten smell but it sure makes your heart race in the beeyard till you double check. Article 14079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Checkered beetles Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998090511185500.HAA09957@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 11:18:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14079 How many out there have noticed checkered beetles in the hive debris/corners? Article 14080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.155.48.9!news.binc.net!not-for-mail From: ann t schade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cleaning used hives Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 08:11:58 -0700 Organization: Berbee Information Networks Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: msn-10-31.binc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14080 We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. They had been stored (some frames still had the drawn comb) in the rafters of a garage out on a farm. Any suggestions? thanks in advance Ann Schade Article 14081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 03:12:06 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35EFBCF6.51A1@juno.com> References: <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> <1998090404434200.AAA09124@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904915371 OCZ7E7JIA4FA8CDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14081 don't recall anyone on this thread mentioning that nicotine is toxic, and generally irritating, to bees as well as mites...regulating dosage on tobacco smoke can be tricky, there's a fine line between medicating and poisoning, so beeware! Article 14082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.icm.edu.pl!not-for-mail From: "unman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:27:26 +0200 Organization: home Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6st8qp$1ll$1@sunsite.icm.edu.pl> References: <6pm86k$rdi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-wct457.katowice.tpnet.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sunsite.icm.edu.pl 905062041 1717 195.205.241.157 (6 Sep 1998 06:07:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.icm.edu.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 1998 06:07:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14082 I treated my colony with tabacco smoke in 1990. In 1991 I was with empty hives. After that I all the time cut almost all the drone cells out and very seldom I see varroa mites. In cuting out drone cells You see if varroa exist in Your hives and how is its intensity. Andrzej, Pole Article 14083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning used hives Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:34:50 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35F210EA.634@galstar.com> References: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14083 ann t schade wrote: > > We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for > some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. > They had been stored (some frames still had the drawn comb) in the > rafters of a garage out on a farm. Any suggestions? > > thanks in advance > > Ann Schade BOIL,BOIL,BOIL using a large pot (25gallons) BOIL Everything for 15-20 minutes. This all Takes Time. I told my partner if I attend another sale and purchase any more used bee equiptment, Woodenware, He was to put me out of his misery, shoot Me, please!!! It is better to start with or use New products. Cheaper in the long run also. lots of luck what ever you decide to do. gw Article 14084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1998090404434200.AAA09124@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Sep 1998 04:43:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998090306043500.CAA01865@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14084 >In Sammataro and Avitabile's *The Beekeeper's Handbook* 3rd edition (Comstock >division of Cornell U. Press, 1998) there is a description of this method on >page 142. Also see David De Jong's article "Mites: Varroa and other Pararsites of Brood," Chapter 14 in *Honey Bee Pests, Predators, & Diseases* 3rd edition (Morse & Flottum, editors; Root Publishing, 1997). On page 307 he cites a ranking of detection/ evaluation methods (by Witherell & Bruce) in order of effectiveness: 1) fluvalinate smoke; 2) amitraz smoke; 3) tobacco smoke; 4) ether roll. Then on page 312 he says that tobacco smoke used as a fumigant treatment for Varroa should, like other fumigant treatments, be administered 3 times at one week intervals because it does not have an effect on mites in brood cells. He then states, "Generally speaking, fumigants do not contaminate the hive products as much as the other control methods because the effect is very short-term." I guess the extremity of the situation determines whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 AT AOL.COM Article 14085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 13:03:57 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 62 Message-ID: <6su17t$fs2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> <6sp0j8$76e$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.187.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 06 13:03:57 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.153.187.138 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14085 In article <6sp0j8$76e$1@news.vic.com>, "Larry Williard" wrote: > I Guess either I should already know the answer or its a tough question. > > Larry > > Larry Williard wrote in message <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com>... > > Remove the 9 from the address > > > > I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive > >into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 > >consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood > >and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and > >another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all > >the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each > >box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast > help > >in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. > >Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in > >the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was > >easy to find. > > > > Thank you > > `Larry We stand duly reprimanded Larry for failing to repeat an oft repeated bit of advice which can be found in the archives. In difficult situations. Put queen exluders between each brood box in the stack - come back in 4 days - the box with eggs in it has the queen as the eggs hatch in 3 days into larvae - look there real thourough - as you place looked at combs into a empty box beside you place them in pairs with abundant space between pairs to let light in - failing to find her on first pass you now go look at the pairs and more than likely she will be in the dark middle of one of the pairs. Obviously this beckons that you look at the frame you are leaving in the box as you withdraw the one you have in hand as she may be there in what was formerly the dark - failing to look there means she may move off and hide before you pick up that comb - after all if she is on the comb in hand she is likely to stay on it (likely I said) so look at the spot she may be but is likely to move from first then after that look at the spot she is more or less captive on (if she is there). If that fails and you really gotta find her run the whole lot through a queen excluder and hope she don't wiggle through it herself - most can't but some either can or else they must walk up the outside of the stack to get up above it. Darker queens amongst darker bees are often more challenging to find - and Buckfast can be dark. My son (9 yrs old) thinks we should breed for queens which blink a light color and black bees to contrast it - any ideas on how to do that??? ;-) Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: msmord@-ix-.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Wax? Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 14:47:44 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35f4a02a.1965284@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ham-oh2-26.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 06 9:48:20 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14086 I have some wax that I would like to make some candles out of. Could some one recommend a way to clean it. The wax has already been melted into a sheet about 1" thick (8" x 12") and I can see a bunch of pollen and other stuff in it. Any help or web addresses would be appreciated. Thanks. Luck is opportunity meeting preparedness. To respond via E-mail remove both - from my address. Article 14087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news.psd.k12.co.us!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!yuma!usenet From: Ric Miller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving a hive Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 16:33:34 +0000 Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35F2B95E.4976@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup0238.ppp.colostate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14087 A few days ago I heard a kind of crackling noise in the outside wall of a room in my home. I tried to ignore this noise but it persisted so I checked the outside and I see a large number of bees entering and exiting a small opening in the corner of my house near the roof line. I am uncertain of the type of bees these are but they could be some type of honey bee. My neighbor suggested spraying the opening with an insecticide or plugging it up but I am afraid that if this is a large hive, the dead bees would start to smell within my house. This happened where I work when some outside chaulking was done and the trapped bees died. The outside wall sheet rock had to be removed and replaced which contained a large hive. A real smelly and expensive job. Besides, I would rather just move the bees if that is possible. I thought I would post to this news group for advise from some experts on what to do. Please send your replies directly to ric@yuma.acns.colostate.edu since I do no normally read this group. Article 14088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive size? Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:09:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6svbo7$71r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.174.223 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 07 01:09:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.153.174.223 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14088 In article <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net>, dlpaxton@gate.net wrote: > OK, I am decloaking here in order to ask a question that I have not > heard asked since I started silently observeing this group. What is > the proper size for a hive? I see lots of illustrations on websights > of one brood chamber and 2 or 3 honey supers. Seem to me if you were > to increase the size of the brood chamber and the number of honey > supers your colony would get large enough to supply more surplus > honey. But then again, I am not a bee keepre YET, so what do I know? > > Dave > The upward limit upon maximum hive population in single queen colony with sufficient open brood comb is determined by genetics and environmental conditions working in tandem. Queen fecundity as per the maximum number of eggs she can lay per day on a sustainable basis (not just a short spurt then a rest) is genetically determined though it is also STRONGLY influenced by how well that queen was reared IN THE QUEEN CELL - which assuming abundant nectar and high quality pollen where available is genetically determined as well in the workers that were feeding her and building her cell (workers that likely are not VERY closely related to her as they would have been in Nature if she is reared by a commercial queen rearer) - what that means in practical terms is simply this a well reared queen from poor genetic stock is VERY likely to outperform a poorly reared queen from GREAT genetic stock though the opposite will be true if they are both reared well. At any rate there is a maximum amount of brood comb that a single queen can keep full of brood. It does vary from strain to strain as well as due to other conditions. Adding more brood comb space will only increase hive population if the available brood comb was insufficient. It can be insufficient if the colony is honeybound. It can be insufficient if you house a good queen in a small colony such as a four frame nuc. Worker longevity plays a key role in maximum hive population also and it is influenced by genetics AND how well the worker was reared AND if she has been on a pollen deficient diet since then. Increase worker longevity and you increase maximum hive population. You mention seeing pictures of a brood chamber with 2 or 3 supers atop it. It might be noted that a world record for honey production using a single queen colony was made with a queen in a single deep topped by a excluder and quite a goodly number of supers. Assuming you super early enough running an excluder directly over a single deep often results in wall to wall brood in the single deep and very very little honey stored there (they move it up thru the excluder and keep the brood nest open). Obviously if one uses this configuration it becomes the more critical to give the girls adequate time to prepare for winter - if they are going to be wintered in that same single you must either feed them liberally in due time or else jerk off the supers early and let them pack in a late flow as winter feed if you have a reliable one. Essentially whatever system of management you use the crux is to get well reared young queens with high fecundity in your hives with adequate open brood comb AND enough support staff long enough before the flow to build up for the flow. Then shortly before the flow get enough supers on so you don't miss it and you don't end up with a honeybound colony (read - brood space restricted) due to your mistiming. Do that in an area with lots of nectar and high quality pollen and you will make a lot of honey. Then requeen them and keep them alive and strong overwinter AND keep them from swarming and you will do it again next year. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ameritech.net!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy L. Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35f4a02a.1965284@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <35F2E25B.77F8@povn.com> Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax? Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:55:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.18.25.141 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 905126667 209.18.25.141 (Sun, 06 Sep 1998 19:04:27 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 19:04:27 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14089 I have entered a lot of honey shows with wax entrys and I have found that this is the easiest way to clean wax. What I would do instead of messing around with your coffee cans, is I melt it in some kind of glass/pyrex coontainer (preferably with a pouring spout) , covered with some saran wrap in the microwave on High, until melted. Then strain it not through pantyhose, but through sweatshirt material with the fuzzy side up. You might be able to get away with one straining this way, if after its hardened there are still things in the wax then repeat the process. To have the wax cool faster, place in freezer or outside when it is freezing out there. This won't hurt the wax. Good Luck Andy Kettlewell Article 14090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ohiobill@aol.com (OHIO BILL) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New bee problem??? Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998090703012900.XAA29839@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Sep 1998 03:01:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14090 Help! I am a novice beekeeper with two years and two hives worth of experience. Today, we noticed quite a few bees walking on the ground and they had deformed wings. They were small and curly, like you see in biology books describing fruit fly genetics. I treat with Terramycin and Apistan, carefully, acording to directions. What is causing this? Any help would be appreciated! I'm not very good with these newsgroups things, so if you have a good answer for me, please e-mail to ohiobill@aol.com Thank you, Bill O'Donnell Winona, MO Article 14091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.186.110.126!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New bee problem??? Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 08:30:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6t05iq$86c$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <1998090703012900.XAA29839@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14091 ohiobill@aol.com (OHIO BILL) wrote: >Help! > I am a novice beekeeper with two years and two hives worth of experience. >Today, we noticed quite a few bees walking on the ground and they had deformed >wings. They were small and curly, like you see in biology books describing >fruit fly genetics. > > I treat with Terramycin and Apistan, carefully, acording to directions. What >is causing this? Any help would be appreciated! > I'm not very good with these newsgroups things, so if you have a good answer >for me, please e-mail to ohiobill@aol.com > Thank you, > Bill O'Donnell > Winona, MO Sounds like Varroa mites. It seems that some strains of the mites cause this more than others. The mite bite at the wing nodes while the bee is developing in the cell. I have seen hives with low mite populations have as many as 10-15% bees with deformed wings. Other hives with far more mites having almost no bees with deformed wings. You need to take an ether roll test and make sure that the apistan strips did their job. Ether roll test should be taken every month during the summer so that you can monitor these pests. If your hive robs a hive that is dying from PMS they will also bring back hugh amounts of mites. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!wilbur.sequent.com!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:51:31 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: <+k83rRADw571Iw49@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 905163558 nnrp-07:19686 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14092 In article <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com>, Larry Williard writes >Could someone give me some fast help >in finding the queen This method has been described here before but I think that it is probably worth repeating for any newbees who have joined the list recently. Remove the first couple of frames from the brood box and inspect them thoroughly. This makes enough room for you to place the frames together in pairs with a gap between them. The queen does not like being exposed to light so she will hide in the darkened area between the frames. After a couple of minutes, you can remove the frames in pairs and open them like the pages of a book and you will find the queen inside one of them. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 14093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Directions for Fumidil? Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:45:06 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb310-18.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 6 Sep 1998 19:46:46 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/258de593b81c7a14 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14093 Need mixing directions for Fumidil B. Thanks for your help. Joe Article 14094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Directions for Fumidil? Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 00:24:36 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6sv944$3sa$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.174.223 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 07 00:24:36 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.153.174.223 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14094 In article <6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Zadigvolta" wrote: > Need mixing directions for Fumidil B. Thanks for your help. Joe > > Follow label directions. ;-) okay - what exactly is the question - are you having trouble getting the blooming stuff to actually go into solution? or did you someone lose the label directions? or what? -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sources re Russian bees? Lines: 46 Message-ID: <1998090712264600.IAA09696@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Sep 1998 12:26:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6sl376$4bk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14095 >In article <1998083118022500.OAA25028@ladder03.news.aol.com>, > kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) wrote: >> Would someone please direct me to the most reliable print sources >concerning >> the Russian bees being talked about recently? >> >> pko > >The supposed idea behind importing Russian bees from that particular area is >that they have lived with Varroa there for longer that most anywhere else - >something like 40-50 years - claims of no treatment in the area are made but >perhaps they don't consider something a treatment which actually is. There >has been some info in Amercian Bee Journal over the past couple years - >primarily about the USDA taking trips over to look at them initially and now >that they have imported them little will likely be said until the data of >their tests are in. If they follow YUGO protocol they will pick out some >HIGHLY susceptible stock to test them against - hmmm - I wonder why they >don't test things against the most resistant stock available in the USA?. At >release time expect a BIG media blitz. Then if you decide to try them out >please give them a limited initial test as unless they learned something via >YUGO the Russian bees may not have actually been tested for important traits >of economic value - such as high fecundity - large cluster size - good >combining ability - honey producing zeal and so forth. As to reliability of >print sources - hmmm - since the USDA controls all the importation and also >all the testing and also produces the media blitz to promote them at release >time - hmmm - and since the USDA currently has a basic monopoly on legal bee >importations and thus a vested interest in making an occasional stock release >of some imported stock or other - hmmm - I guess you will have to judge that >one for yourself. > >Jack Griffes > Hi Jack, I agree with your analysis, I might add, the grape vine told me the other day USDA was not having good luck keeping the stock alive,, so Alabama beekeepers got them the natural size combs and establishing the russian bees onto that. So, (varroa control) will it be the stock or natural size combs? David Miksa Article 14096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive size? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:16:14 -0400 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6t0pof$ss6$1@winter.news.erols.com> References: <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-130.s3.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 905177679 29574 207.172.170.130 (7 Sep 1998 14:14:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14096 Jack's post should answer your question, but my own experience here in southern New Jersey is that two brood chambers overwinter the best. During the spring/summer I have had singles that sitll produced a considerable amount of honey. John Article 14097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluder question Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:33:22 -0400 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6t0qoi$5er$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-130.s3.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 905178706 5595 207.172.170.130 (7 Sep 1998 14:31:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14097 I always remove the queen excluder after the honeyflow, but was wondering why it could not be left on over the winter. Could someone give me reasons why this is not an accepable practice? Regards, John Article 14098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive size? Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:14:08 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 905181171 5035 207.49.166.2 (7 Sep 1998 15:12:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1998 15:12:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14098 You should also look into top bar hives In article <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net>, dlpaxton@gate.net says... > OK, I am decloaking here in order to ask a question that I have not > heard asked since I started silently observeing this group. What is > the proper size for a hive? I see lots of illustrations on websights > of one brood chamber and 2 or 3 honey supers. Seem to me if you were > to increase the size of the brood chamber and the number of honey > supers your colony would get large enough to supply more surplus > honey. But then again, I am not a bee keepre YET, so what do I know? > > Dave > Article 14099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: (see.sig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning used hives Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 13:13:12 GMT Message-ID: <35f36736.1026127@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> <35F210EA.634@galstar.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-92.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-92.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14099 On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:34:50 -0500, "Geo. W" wrote: >ann t schade wrote: >> >> We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for >> some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. >> They had been stored (some frames still had the drawn comb) in the >> rafters of a garage out on a farm. Any suggestions? >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Ann Schade >BOIL,BOIL,BOIL using a large pot (25gallons) BOIL Everything for 15-20 >minutes. This all Takes Time. I told my partner if I attend another sale >and purchase any more used bee equiptment, Woodenware, He was to put me >out of his misery, shoot Me, please!!! It is better to start with or use >New products. Cheaper in the long run also. >lots of luck what ever you decide to do. >gw Scorching with a blow-torch can be effective. But hazardous. -- jaf@jaf.nildramDELETETHIS.co.uk The cow is of the bovine ilk, One end is moo, the other, milk' Ogden Nash. Article 14100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder question Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998090722344600.SAA20967@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Sep 1998 22:34:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6t0qoi$5er$1@winter.news.erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14100 >I always remove the queen excluder after the honeyflow, but was wondering >why it could not be left on over the winter. Could someone give me reasons >why this is not an accepable practice? Regards, John mainly because as your colony feeds during the winter they will move up toward the honey reserves, if an excluder is there the queen cant go up ...bye bye queen Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard D. Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Foul smelling odour coming from hives. Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:02:04 -0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.177 Message-ID: <35f4751d.0@news.realnews.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!news.realnews.net!207.1.217.177 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14101 Could possibly be foul Brood........i would check for darkened cells....if so get medication quickly......... BeeCrofter wrote in message <1998090302351000.WAA03170@ladder01.news.aol.com>... >I don't know if it is goldenrod or aster but it smells that way here when the >goldenrod is blooming. >Don't see many bees actually working goldenrod -many more working Japanese >Knotweed (locals call it bamboo) here in SE CT. Article 14102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder question Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:28:20 -0400 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6t1tl1$2qj$1@winter.news.erols.com> References: <6t0qoi$5er$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-167.s40.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 905214433 2899 207.172.170.167 (8 Sep 1998 00:27:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14102 Perhaps I should be more specific. I mean on top of the brood boxes, just under the inner cover. Not between brood and supers or anything else, just below the inner cover which allows for little space that the cluster could move up into without the queen. Just curious. John Article 14103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "Calvin Ashby" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mineral oil treatment Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:24:35 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6t1th0$1q8$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-2-144.sea.ipa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14103 Some time back Mr.. Elroy Rogers posted a treatment for varroa mites using mineral oil, water, sugar, and pectin. Does anyone know when and how often to treat with this. Your help is greatly appreciated. Article 14104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder question Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998090801091000.VAA09702@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Sep 1998 01:09:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6t1tl1$2qj$1@winter.news.erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14104 >Perhaps I should be more specific. I mean on top of the brood boxes, just >under the inner cover. The guys I have seen doing this put the excluder on top of the telescope cover and the sun melts the wax and preserves the cover. Then they store it above the inner cover . Probably a reason for this. Watch you don't start them robbing with honey on the excluder. Tom Article 14105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Wayne Gordon Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: usa and canada X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 1 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 03:31:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 905218159 207.181.79.110 (Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:29:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:29:19 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14105 Why is it that Canada cannot import any bees from usa? Is this true? Article 14106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.210.64.20!newsfeed.maine.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mineral oil treatment Date: 8 Sep 1998 01:45:38 GMT Organization: Road Runner Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bddac9$beda4860$0c57d2cc@ericahls.maine.rr.com> References: <6t1th0$1q8$1@news.ipa.net> Reply-To: "rick" NNTP-Posting-Host: dt033n0c.maine.rr.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14106 Try www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ for info on mineral oil treatments. I'm trying their entrance "oilers" on my hives. The jury is still out. Article 14107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive size? Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:14:01 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 65 Message-ID: <35F4A0F9.4EAE8C2A@valley.net> References: <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-211.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14107 dlpaxton@gate.net wrote: > OK, I am decloaking here in order to ask a question that I have not > heard asked since I started silently observeing this group. What is > the proper size for a hive? I see lots of illustrations on websights > of one brood chamber and 2 or 3 honey supers. Seem to me if you were > to increase the size of the brood chamber and the number of honey > supers your colony would get large enough to supply more surplus > honey. But then again, I am not a bee keepre YET, so what do I know? > > Dave greetings, jack's excellent answer gives you the 'how's and why's' details. as a second year beekeeper [who continues to learn an awful lot from this group, btw], i'll add my 2 cents worth of personal experience. i have 2 hives, one of which is running with 3 deep brood chambers and the other is running 2 deep. my intention was to set both up as 3 deeps, but the one is a split from the original [which ran as a 2 deep last year], and it got off to a later start, so i've left it with 2 deeps. both hives are healthy and building nicely for winter. but, the 3 deep is way out-performing the 2 deep with lots more brood and LOTS more honey. of course, it's really not a fair comparison, since the 3 deep had more development time this year, but it is also more productive than it was last year as a 2 deep. the real test will come in the spring, i guess, when i see which one comes through winter the best and gets up and running quicker. jack's comments about queen stock sure rings true. the queen in the 3 deep is an ontario buckfast, and she's laying in all 3 deeps. [pretty amazing. at least to me, to see brood on so many frames.] the other queen is an italian, and while she's an ok layer, she just doesn't seen to have the volume output of the buckfast. maybe she's short of available space, because she only has 2 deeps with which to work? i don't know. but, next year, assuming my not-scientifically-valid-due-to-insufficient-data experiment give the results i expect it will, i plan to bring the 2 deep hive up to 3 deeps, and requeen with another buckfast. btw, i'm in new hampshire, and the bees are still making comb and bringing in nectar, even at this late date. it's been an amazing summer. on an unrelated topic, there was a thread earlier about foul smelling hives, and some attributed the smell to goldenrod or aster. well, i have tons of both species blooming up here and my bees are ALL over it. while the bloom of the goldenrod does have a 'pungent' aroma, i have noticed no such 'off' odor coming from my hives. they still have that unique, oh-so-sweet, aroma that is one of the side benefits of keeping bees. the hives are so strong now, that i can smell them from the rear deck of my house, about 30 feet away. then again, as a newbie maybe my nose isn't developed enough to discern different honey flavor 'notes'. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Greg Dickman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orchard Pollination Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:08:34 -0000 Lines: 5 Organization: Preferred Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.140.85.205 Message-ID: <35f4cd50.0@news.ctlnet.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.51!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.ctlnet.com!206.140.85.205 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14108 Did you see the new web page with interesting facts on Orchard Mason Bees. Go to http://user.dekalbnet.org/gdi2364 Article 14109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.crc.ca!nott!torn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New bee problem??? Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1998090722371400.SAA17860@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Sep 1998 22:37:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998090703012900.XAA29839@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14109 >Help! > > I am a novice beekeeper with two years and two hives worth of experience. >Today, we noticed quite a few bees walking on the ground and they had >deformed >wings. They were small and curly, like you see in biology books describing >fruit fly genetics. > > I treat with Terramycin and Apistan, carefully, acording to directions. >What >is causing this? Any help would be appreciated! > > I'm not very good with these newsgroups things, so if you have a good >answer >for me, please e-mail to ohiobill@aol.com > > Thank you, > > Bill O'Donnell > Winona, MO > varroa will usually result in deformed brood, but there are also virus which attack weak bees, but it sounds more like varroa eaten larva to me Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.Hawaii.Edu!news From: John Embree Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Problem Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:04:04 -1000 Organization: University of Hawaii Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35F50114.C8568114@hawaii.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: oahu-404.u.aloha.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14110 I have a hive in my backyard that was "unintentional". After a hurricane a limb was broken and the bees moved in. I would like to remove this hive in the most humane way possible. If there are any suggestions please feel free to E-mail me with any or all suggestions. If there are any beenatics that live in Hawaii, I would be more than happy to share some of them(all), if this is possible. I've been stung one too many time. Thanks, John Embree embree@hawaii.edu Article 14111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New bee problem??? Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:40:04 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6t38j4$633$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998090703012900.XAA29839@ladder01.news.aol.com> <6t05iq$86c$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 08 12:40:04 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14111 In article <6t05iq$86c$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > ohiobill@aol.com (OHIO BILL) wrote: we noticed quite a few bees walking on the ground and they had deformed > >wings. They were small and curly, like you see in biology books describing > >fruit fly genetics. > > > > I treat with Terramycin and Apistan, carefully, acording to directions. Greg's comments marked with > Jack's comments marked with == > Sounds like Varroa mites. ==sounds like deformed wing virus - which is of late most commonly seen as a sorta indicator of Varroa mites >It seems that some strains of the mites cause this more than others. ==could be - and there are several strains of V-mites in the USA - have no idea if there is any difference between associated disease level between strains of mites myself > The > mite bite at the wing nodes while the bee is developing in the cell. I have seen hives with low > mite populations have as many as 10-15% bees with deformed wings. Other hives with far more mites > having almost no bees with deformed wings. ==not saying that explanation of the phenomena can't/doesn't happen - however deformed wing virus (DWV) is a more plausible explanation IMO - it also explains how a hive with greater resistance to DWV can have more mites and yet fewer bees with deformed wings - this very thing (disease level differences between untreated colonies with similar and non-similar mite infestation levels) makes me suspect that disease resistance is a MUST in any bee that is truly Varroa Resistant at an economic level - it may in fact be of GREATER importance than most anything else. >You need to take an ether roll test and make sure that > the apistan strips did their job. Ether roll test should be taken every month during the summer so > that you can monitor these pests. >If your hive robs a hive that is dying from PMS they will also > bring back hugh amounts of mites. ==Sure could - don't forget though that the hive breaking down itself seeds mites into other colonies as the remaining bees look for a new home. Many mites generally concentrated onto the "few" remaining bees IF the hive breaks down in flying weather. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!carrier.kiev.ua!glukr!bear.skif.net!not-for-mail From: "blanki" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:50:53 +0200 Organization: blanki Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6t3979$35j$1@bear.skif.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: backfire.dol.donetsk.ua X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14112 rest Article 14113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.ca.nortel.com!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Directions for Fumidil? Date: 8 Sep 1998 14:03:02 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bddb31$cae92780$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: <6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14113 Zadigvolta wrote in article <6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... > Need mixing directions for Fumidil B. Thanks for your help. Joe Mix the Fumidil B with the dry sugar then mix in cold or at least very cool water a little at a time stirring vigorously. The Fumidil B will dissolve along with the sugar. It's also much easier to accurately measure the right dose for each hive after its in solution as well. Article 14114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!falcon.america.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!brokaw.wa.com!not-for-mail From: Scott Eby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey bound in fall? Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:41:12 -0700 Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35F55018.69D1D33A@cdac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cdac.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14114 This is my first year at beekeeping and I keep hearing about "honey bound" brood chambers. Now that fall is approaching, we have a flow on and I have started my fall meds. The upper brood chamber is 90% full of honey stores and the lower is about 60% honey, 20% pollen and the rest is open or capped brood. Most of what was brood during the spring and summer is now uncapped honey. They obviously don't need supplimental feed but, I want to get fumadil in before winter and I am not sure if syrup is the best way given that the colony has plenty of honey already. Any suggestions? Thanks, Scott Eby Article 14115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: usa and canada Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1998090817570400.NAA26124@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Sep 1998 17:57:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14115 >Why is it that Canada cannot import any bees from usa? Is this true? Canada's Honeybee Prohibition Regulations were enacted in 1987 and are subject to biannual review. The last specific status I know of does indeed prohibit importation of bees from the US, with the exception of bees from Hawaii (queens only, no packages), which are admitted only with federal permit. Hawaiian bees, of course, are isolated from Varroa infestations (and Africanization, though that was not the reason behind the HPR of 1987) affecting the contiguous 48 states, thus the distinction under Canadian law between Hawaii and the rest of the US. In addition to Canadian national law, each province has its own laws regarding importation and interprovincial movement of bee colonies and equipment. From what I read, it would seem that Prince Edward Island is currently the strictest in its honeybee laws. Canada does issue federal permits for importation of pacakge bees (as well as queens) from Australia and New Zealand. There are, btw, also strict regulations in Canada regarding importation of bee equipment and beeswax. The Canadians are simply trying to avoid problems which have been devastating in the US. Not a bad function of government, particularly given the biannual review. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 AT AOL.COM Article 14116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Caterpillars in Hive Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:12:05 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6t437c$ohe$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust69.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Tue Sep 8 13:14:36 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14116 I was in my hive today and noticed white caterpillars around the entrance. I'm wondering if they are from Wax Moths or some other pest I should know about??? Does anyone know where I might be able to see pictures of Wax Moths and their young (caterpillars). Article 14117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Bee box" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:12:13 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6t42eo$bb$1@tikehau.netreach.net> References: <6sfcm9$1om$1@tikehau.netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-209208-167.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14117 Actually I've read a few books which have made reference to the "bee box" and its use and ultimately, yes I am interested if anyone has used this themselves and their results... Thanks Marc Article 14118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Wayne Gordon Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USA and Canada restictions X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 1 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:54:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 905291559 207.181.79.130 (Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:52:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:52:39 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14118 Is it true that in Ontario here we cannot import any bees from USA? If so why are our guide lines more strict? Article 14119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kellys Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:57:58 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35F5C43D.6B6F@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.212 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905288333 VRL06/YYI34D4CDD2C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14119 Hi everybody, Well, I had so much fun making the last extracter (again thanks to all who helped me with the RPM) that I think I'm going to make another one. This one I would like to install a clutch. When I posted my original question regarding extracter RPM someone responded discribing a clutch that could be purchased from "Kellys"? Does anyone have a phone number. Since I can't find a web site I assume they're not pluged in. I have looked in Canada but I can't find one that will engage at a low rpm. This could be because I really don't have any specs. Thanks! Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980908223017.26902.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Current Wholesale Prices for Honey and Wax Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:30:15 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14120 What are they? And how are prices trending, down or up? Thanks, --Richard Davis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Caterpillars in Hive Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:54:20 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6t437c$ohe$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 905302374 6876 207.49.166.2 (9 Sep 1998 00:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 1998 00:52:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14121 I saw wax moths in a weak Langstroth hive I had a couple of years ago. They are white and smooth little grubs. When they get bigger, they stay the same diameter, but they can get surprisingly long. They make burrows in the wax and you can sometimes see them moving rapidly in these tunnels. They leave a spider webbish type of residue. My guess is that they are closely related to the moths that get into grain and rice. I destroyed each one I saw with my hive tool, which is ethical since my goal is to promote a strong apis colony, and then when the colony was nice and strong there was no more sign of them. In article <6t437c$ohe$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, BlancoB@tech- center.com says... > I was in my hive today and noticed white caterpillars around the entrance. > I'm wondering if they are from Wax Moths or some other pest I should know > about??? Does anyone know where I might be able to see pictures of Wax > Moths and their young (caterpillars). > > > Article 14122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Armand Boutte" Subject: Starting Beehive Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:05:36 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust245.tnt21.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.254.227.245] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14122 I would like to start a beehive in my back yard, but I know nothing about it! Is it legal in California? How many worker bees would I need? How much would the worker bees cost? How much would a queen cost? How much would other supplies cost?(for 1 hive) Any other advice would be greatly appreciated! Matt Article 14123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: USA and Canada restictions Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:48:57 -0400 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.37 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.125.37 Message-ID: <35f5fa3c.0@news.hom.net> X-Trace: 9 Sep 1998 03:47:08 -0500, 204.216.125.37 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.hom.net!204.216.125.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14123 It's true. I recently went to the post office to check on sending honey to Canada and they went thru the whole nine yards with me. No bees, honeycomb, or any kind of equipment new or used. The honey however is no problem... why, they didn't say. Chip http://GEORGIAHONEY.com Ambrosia Apiaries Honey Co. 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, Georgia 31069-2704 Chip@GeorgiaHoney.com Win a FREE Jar of Georgia Honey at: http://GEORGIAHONEY.com/freehoney.htm Wayne Gordon Anderson wrote in message ... >Is it true that in Ontario here we cannot import any bees from USA? If so why are our guide lines more strict? Article 14124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pawsystem@aol.com (PAWSYSTEM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heat generated while in hybernated state Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998090115490000.LAA19910@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Sep 1998 15:49:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14124 Does anybody know where to secure information regarding the heat (btus or calories) generated by various bees while in hybernation at specific ambient temperatures? I would appreciate any help on this matter! Paul Article 14125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting Beehive Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:14:46 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 905314400 5678 207.49.166.2 (9 Sep 1998 04:13:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 1998 04:13:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14125 You need to order a package of bees out of the American Beekeeper Journal for $45 and this includes a fertile queen; and download the plans for a top bar hive from Jim Satterfield's web page on the subject which hive you can build yourself with screws and glue and plywood and slats for the top bars for about $12 in lumber; then hang the hive at waist level by wires from a tree branch like they do in Kenya; you will need to buy the veil and coveralls and gloves too for about $80 and then you just pour the bees out of the package (bees are sold by the pound - the typical package is about 3 pounds) into the top bar hive and then put the queen in there up along the center top bars and the rest of the bees will hang together in a cone around her with the queen at the center. Leave it alone for a couple of weeks and they will start "drawing down comb" amazingly fast. In Riverside County the ag. commissioner is cool about having beehives. Everyone in California knows how important bees are. In article , kamabou@email.msn.com says... > I would like to start a beehive in my back yard, but I know nothing about > it! Is it legal in California? How many worker bees would I need? How > much would the worker bees cost? How much would a queen cost? How much > would other supplies cost?(for 1 hive) Any other advice would be greatly > appreciated! > Matt > > > Article 14126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Directions for Fumidil? Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:36:40 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6t57hb$tm910@kirk.tinet.ie> References: <6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <01bddb31$cae92780$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14126 Adrian Kyte wrote in message <01bddb31$cae92780$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com>... >Zadigvolta wrote in article ><6suor6$2s3g$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >> Need mixing directions for Fumidil B. Thanks for your help. Joe > >Mix the Fumidil B with the dry sugar then mix in cold or at least very cool >water a little at a time stirring vigorously. Be sure not to have the water too hot or the fumidil will loose potency. Article 14127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bag method of feeding on top of frames? Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:51:17 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35ec76c5.49846375@news.earthlink.net> References: <35eb8934.12577858@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <35EC5C75.3D8C829F@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust117.tnt12.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Sep 1 15:49:17 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14127 flightdeck wrote: > Does anyone have the particulars for placing feed ontop of frames > using a baggie? What I understand is that you fill the ziplock baggie > and place it directly ontop of the frames & then cut a few small holes > in the top. Is this correct? You've described what I do, except that I slice the top of the baggie with a sharp knife and the bees feed through the slit. There is a photo of this method on my website at http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/feeding.htm Baggies won't hold as much volume as a pail feeder, but it works fine. A cut-down old box can be used to form a "feeder ring" that holds the hive cover a few inches off the hive, giving room for the baggie. The feeder ring is also effective when feeding dry sugar, if you don't have inner covers. By the way, I haven't noticed any disease problems from feeding honey back to bees. Many beekeepers here in Texas put "wet" supers back on hives with complete disregard to which hives they came from. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting Beehive Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:11:48 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6t698d$7e9@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca11-34.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 09 9:09:49 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14128 I just started one real easy what part of Ca are you in ? David Armand Boutte wrote in message ... >I would like to start a beehive in my back yard, but I know nothing about >it! Is it legal in California? How many worker bees would I need? How >much would the worker bees cost? How much would a queen cost? How much >would other supplies cost?(for 1 hive) Any other advice would be greatly >appreciated! >Matt > > Article 14129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Did I hear piping? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6scuq1$omf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <01bdd611$53eef800$ac10bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 01:32:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.16.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 904699975 204.186.16.172 (Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:32:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:32:55 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14129 Sounds to me like piping. I first heard piping in one of my hives in late spring, swarming time. I also was awakened one night when a queen in my observation hive (in my bedroom) piped. It can be incredibly loud; you'll hear it without even opening a hive. My observation queen seemed to pipe when she was standing on other queen cells. I didn't notice her pipe at any other time. The only thing I can say is that you probably have a virgin in your hive; at least I've never heard of a mated queen piping. It may be related to late season swarming but supersedure is my guess. I wouldn't worry about overwintering at this point but you may want to requeen in the spring. I should also take my own advice and requeen this spring! Article 14130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test - please ignore Date: 9 Sep 1998 20:31:33 GMT Organization: Enterprise PLC - Internet Services Message-ID: <01bddc30$85994fc0$738301d4@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-414.telinco.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14130 Testing new connection -- Adrian Kyte beeman.delete_this@enterprise.net Based in South Devon,England Article 14131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "THOMAS A HUGHES" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 108 Acre Farm South Carolina Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:47:45 -0700 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 848 Message-ID: <6t76va$46is$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-32-100-10-80.ga.us.ibm.net X-Post-Time: 10 Sep 1998 00:36:58 GMT X-Auth-User: 002371061/9a3b889c913c9987 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14131 Windsor, SC (10 Miles East of Aiken) Only $175,000 108 Total Acres Secluded, treed 2 acre home site, with 1526 sq. ft., 3 bedroom, 2 bath, split floor plan, double wide in very good condition. Home has fireplace, cathedral ceiling, formal dining room, country kitchen and a garden tub in master bath. New carpeting throughout and many built-ins. Work shop (24 X 30), cement floor, heavy duty rafters for engine pulling, wired with 220 electrical service. Hay barn (27.5 X 60), partially enclosed, dirt floor, perfect for equipment storage and hay. Out buildings, one concrete block building with cement floor and one log building with dirt floor, both with tin roof. Approximately 20 Acres of Tifton 44. An ideal hybrid designed especially for horses. The hay is split into two separate fields. Approximately 25 Acres improved pasture. This pasture has a few shade trees for the animals to get shelter from the hot South Carolina sun. Also, in this pasture is about an additional 3 Acre stand of trees. Approximately 50 acres, fenced and cleared to plant. Your choice, rotate crops, cash crop, pasture or hay. 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Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Bee box" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998091000473100.UAA05899@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Sep 1998 00:47:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6t42eo$bb$1@tikehau.netreach.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14133 a quart mason jar works just as well, let em out one at a time chase him till ya loose her then let another go... eventially you'll find the hive Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What type of Hives??????? Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:48:04 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35ED5AA4.134F5EA1@mediaone.net> References: <6rt8qn$ht7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bdd5d9$78908a80$4262400c@default> <35ed6e9b.44961043@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14134 Hi all,Both these suggestions can be used with a Langstroth hive, or a D.E. hive, or a whatever kind of hive one wants to use. It seems to me that if one is dealing with days when one cannot manipulate the colony easily--using a frame that if turn upside down too quickly to look at the other side breaks the comb--is not the best idea. Side and bottom bars do serve a purpose. In a TBH, until the wax in the brood area has "toughened" with generations of brood waste (cocoons, feces, etc.), the wax is easily broken and it would seem, not the easiest hive to work. The only advantage I can see to a top bar hive is less initial investment. Kathy > >I agree with the recommendations of a top bar hive (TBH). If you > suspend it > >from a tree or something you can use pulleys or block and tackle to > raise > >it or lower it depending on if it is a good sitting or standing day > for > >you. > > Also a top bar hive can be placed at ground level, on bricks, and can > be manipulated from the side, even from a wheelchair... Article 14135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa discussion Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:55:28 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 88 Message-ID: <6t7f30$b3t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 10 02:55:28 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14135 The following e-mail was sent to me by a Scottish beekeeper - since it is a post I would answer I have also inserted my comments marked fore and aft with equal signs ==like this== ======== Jack,   Sorry to bother you, but I am trying to post some mails onto the user group sci.agriculture.beekeeping with no success. Could you post it for me please.   Regards Chris   ===it ain't no bother at all====== I am a beekeeper based in the Highlands of Scotland we are anticipating Varrora  to arrive here soon. As we have a shorter breeding season up here i.e. the queen stops laying often from October to March. ======a extra long cessation of brood rearing can help control mite population via several ways====== Will this not deter the Mites which need larvae to live off in there life cycle. =======it will stop mites from reproducing (requires bee brood) but not from living (requires adult bees) - obviously mites only live so long however and if you can keep them from reproducing until they die of old age well ya get less mites thata way======= I am also told that Bees kept in plastic hive do not breed during the winter due to the low humidity in the hives. ========got me bewildered on that one======= A bit of hopeful thinking going on here but I would like to know if any one using plastic hives or living in cold locations has found the varrora to be less of a problem. ======got no plastic hives (plastic frames I have but not plastic hives) however I can tell you emphatically that Varroa is a HUGE problem in cold locations=see my "Treatment Timing Tips" on my website for an explanation of one reason why====== Or to rephrase the question .     How long can mites live on a bee? ======I should be able to spit out the answer to that but can't pull it out right now - anybody help me on this one??======== Would the lack of larvae over a long period ie 4 Months have a drastic effect on the life cycle of the Varroa mite? ======Varroa mite females that spend a longer time on adult bees rather than in brood cells have a greater tendency to be infertile========= Regards Chris Fort Augustus Highlands of Scotland -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USA and Canada restictions Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:06:52 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6t7foc$br1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 10 03:06:52 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14136 In article , Wayne Gordon Anderson wrote: > Is it true that in Ontario here we cannot import any bees from USA? Yep. But we here in the USA can import bees from Canada - that is the ONLY place we can import them from while you in Canada do have other options so don't feel too bad. >If so why are our guide lines more strict? More strict might be an exageration (?sp?). To the point Canada effectively delayed getting the mites by the best part of a decade via their ban on importing bees from the USA. They severely hurt some USA package and queen producers in the process but they also helped their own queen, nuc and package suppliers. Via slowing the arrival of the mites they bought time to prepare and educate. From what I saw they used the time well there in Onatario thanks to cooperative efforts betwixt Gard Otis and Medhat Nasr and the Ontario Bee Breeders. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey bound in fall? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:42:35 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6t7ear$9ao$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35F55018.69D1D33A@cdac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 10 02:42:35 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x8.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14137 In article <35F55018.69D1D33A@cdac.com>, Scott Eby wrote: > This is my first year at beekeeping and I keep hearing about "honey > bound" brood chambers. Now that fall is approaching, we have a flow on > and I have started my fall meds. The upper brood chamber is 90% full of > honey stores and the lower is about 60% honey, 20% pollen and the rest > is open or capped brood. Most of what was brood during the spring and > summer is now uncapped honey. They obviously don't need supplimental > feed but, I want to get fumadil in before winter and I am not sure if > syrup is the best way given that the colony has plenty of honey > already. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Scott Eby > According to research I have seen that has been done to date, Syrup delivery of Fumidil-B is the ONLY known effective way for FALL treatment against Nosema. In the Spring either syrup or dry sugar mixed with Fumidil-B (proper dose of active ingredient per colony) is effective. The potential trouble is this - you seem to have a flow on and thus the bees will likely not take your medicated syrup fast enough PLUS they will be diluting the meds with incoming nectar and thus not getting the proper dose per bee rendering the treatment less than fully effective. In areas with a very late Fall flow this can present a problem. Ya may have but little practical choice but to go with a EARLY Spring only treatment - done with dry mix you can do it while the snow is still on the ground (assuming you ever get any snow wherever you live) - but if/when feeding syrup in EARLY Spring recall that it will stimulate brood rearing and other store depleting activity which may not be in their best interest right then - thus the advantage of dry mix in early Spring. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.cioe.com!newsfeed.cioe.com!news.psci.net!not-for-mail From: "ROBERT MORRIS" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kellys Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:20:53 -0700 Organization: Perry Spencer Internet News Server Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6t89m8$ds2$1@news.psci.net> References: <35F5C43D.6B6F@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-as9-21.psci.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14138 WALTER T. KELLY CO. INC. 3107 ELIZABETHTOWN RD. P.O. BOX 240 CLARKSON, KY 42726-0240 FAX 502-242-4801 PHONE 502-242-2012 Kent Stienburg wrote in message <35F5C43D.6B6F@kingston.net>... >Hi everybody, > >Well, I had so much fun making the last extracter (again thanks to all >who helped me with the RPM) that I think I'm going to make another one. >This one I would like to install a clutch. When I posted my original >question regarding extracter RPM someone responded discribing a clutch >that could be purchased from "Kellys"? Does anyone have a phone >number. Since I can't find a web site I assume they're not pluged in. I >have looked in Canada but I can't find one that will engage at a low >rpm. This could be because I really don't have any specs. Thanks! > >Kent Stienburg >-- >Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: 106120.2232@compuserve.com (Rupert PLUMMER) Subject: Re: jpegs of bees? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:28:07 GMT Message-ID: <35f7fd1e.860474@news.compuserve.com> References: <6r51d6$feu$2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14139 On 15 Aug 1998 22:17:10 GMT, R Blackwell wrote: > Hello. I am looking for jpegs of bees, possibly a bee with a >colourful photo, that I could download from a website into Adobe photoshop >for my girlfriend's essay's title page. Does anyone have any suggestion of >where I might find these? Thank you. > >-- >******************************************************************************* >Boyd Blackwell >Apt. #912 Newton Place, E-mail: rb3@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca >8515-112 Street, Home Phone: (403) 434-5065 >Edmonton, AB. Canada. T6G 1K7 > "How do I set my laser printer on stun?" Can I recommend P-O's Homepage - Sweedish Beekeeping Site at http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ This site has some excellent pictures which can be downloaded free for non commercial use. Good luck Rupert e-mail Roops@compuseve.com Article 14140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0014.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: yellow jackets attacking bees Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:40:50 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 15 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35F7CDE5.C6070D5F@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0014.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14140 Lately the yellow jackets are snooping around my hives a lot, too. Every once in a while they walk right into the entrance, but are soon driven out. They seem to be mainly picking on the dead bees dropped out in front of the entrances. The bald-faced hornets* are the one that are grabbing live bees. There are not as many of the hornets around, but they are not timid about going right to the entrances to grab worker bees. You could set out a few open bottles of beer, half full or so, near the hives, into which the yellow jackets will be drawn. They get trapped in the bottles and can't climb out, & so drown in the beer. This works very well in my experience. The bees don't pay any attention to it. *(aerial-nesting large black wasps, much like yellowjackets) Article 14141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35F82CF4.843D5CBA@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:48:04 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: List of queen breaders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.254 X-Trace: 10 Sep 1998 19:47:36 GMT, 139.92.84.254 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 14 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.254 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14141 I am looking for a list of addresses with the addresses of people that sells bee-queens . I had this list but after a problem with my computer i have lost it . I would be grateful . Eleftherios Pantelakis ANEL-STANDARD CO ANDREA KALVU 105 N. IONIA P.O. 14231 ATHENS-GREECE TEL-FAX 0030-1-2771180 e-mail : pantelakis@ibm.net http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm Article 14142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kellys Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:29:31 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35F836AB.9BD@earthlink.net> References: <35F5C43D.6B6F@kingston.net> <1998091001213500.VAA11934@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip98.raleigh7.nc.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Kashimori X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Thu Sep 10 13:32:50 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14142 Kashimori wrote: > > >When I posted my original > >question regarding extracter RPM someone responded discribing a clutch > >that could be purchased from "Kellys"? Does anyone have a phone > >number. > > Try this: > > The Walter T. Kelley Co., Inc. > 3107 Elizabethtown Rd. > PO Box 240 > Clarkson, KY 42726-0240 > tel: (502) 242-2012 > fax: (502) 242-4801 Kelley has a toll-free number. 1-800-233-2899 Article 14143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35EDEE73.EB077D02@access.mountain.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:18:43 -0400 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Larry Williard Subject: Re: Fast Help finding Buckfast Queen References: <6sk834$aaa$1@news.vic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.20.115 Lines: 30 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.20.115 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14143 Larry, If you have a hatched queen cell your marked queen is probably gone.Could they have swarmed and you missed capturing them? If not the young queen has killed the marked queen.Sometimes you can look on the ground in front of the hive and find the dead queen.I do not know what part of the country you live in but here in West Virginia we would never split a hive this late in the year,they would not be strong enough to survive the winter Herschel. Larry Williard wrote: > Remove the 9 from the address > > I have a 2 deep hive with a Buckfast Queen. I want to split that Hive > into two hives . I have been unsecessful in finding the queen on 2 > consecative days and 4 attempts in the last 2 weeks. There is fresh brood > and eggs in boath boxes and possibley a hatched queen cell in one and > another not hatched. Cells on the bottem of the frame. Neither box has all > the frames filled out in wax, but the brood pattern on 3-5 frames in each > box is full and even bueatiful pattern. Could someone give me some fast help > in finding the queen so I can intrudece the new one I bought to the other. > Today I put a bee escape between the boxes. Tomorrow I will try looking in > the top one to see whats left. She was marked and in the last months was > easy to find. > > Thank you > `Larry Article 14144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Howard Cohen Subject: yellow jackets attacking bees Message-ID: <35F7CDE5.C6070D5F@analogic.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:02:30 -0400 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14144 For the last few weeks I have noticed a lot of activity in front of my hive by small(about the size of a worker honey bee) yellow jackets.When not activing as scavengers of dead bees, they will attack my honey bees and often the bee loses. Every morning there are usually 5-10 dead worker bees in front of my hive. I cannot find the yellow jacket hive; in fact, I suspect it is on a neighbor's property, so destroying its hive is out of the question. This is my first year of beekeeping, and I believe my hive is strong. I live in suburban Eastern Massachussetts. Do I have a problem? If so, what should I do about it.? Thank you. Article 14145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: yellow jackets attacking bees Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:46:40 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 17 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35F7CDE5.C6070D5F@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0014.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0014.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14145 Lately the local yellow jackets are snooping around my hives a lot, too. Every once in a while they walk right into the entrance, but are soon driven out. Some will try to grab live bees but they don't appear to be very successful. These yellow-jackets seem to be mainly picking on the dead bees dropped out in front of the entrances. The bald- or white-faced hornets* are the one that are grabbing live bees. There are not as many of the hornets around, but they are not timid about going right to the entrances to grab worker bees. You could set out a few open bottles of beer, half full or so, near the hives, into which the yellow jackets will be drawn. They get trapped in the bottles and can't climb out, & so drown in the beer. This works very well in my experience. The bees don't pay any attention to it. *(aerial-nesting large black wasps, much like yellowjackets) Article 14146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: yellow jackets attacking bees Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:48:02 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 17 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35F7CDE5.C6070D5F@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0014.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0014.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14146 Lately the local yellow jackets are snooping around my hives a lot, too. Every once in a while they walk right into the entrance, but are soon driven out. Some will try to grab live bees but they don't appear to be very successful. These yellow-jackets seem to be mainly picking on the dead bees dropped out in front of the entrances. The bald- or white-faced hornets* are the one that are grabbing live bees. There are not as many of the hornets around, but they are not timid about going right to the entrances to grab worker bees. You could set out a few open bottles of beer, half full or so, near the hives, into which the yellow jackets will be drawn. They get trapped in the bottles and can't climb out, & so drown in the beer. This works very well in my experience. The bees don't pay any attention to it. *(aerial-nesting large black wasps, much like yellowjackets) Article 14147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:05:24 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35EE0774.1A6F@midwest.net> References: <6pm86k$rdi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 904792097 .ZFUVYH4M1C22D0EBC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14147 This was the subject of the beekeepers meeting I attended last night. According to the S.Illinois inspector, the Apistan strips should already be in the hives. He also described a method of menthol treatment using menthol & canola oil heated & soaked up with paper shop towel strips. The towel strips (2-3" wide) are then placed diagonally across the frames. By spring the bees will have removed the paper from the hives. Before I treat - especially with Apistan - I intend to do a roll test. Another mite treatment that was discussed involved a small amount of tobacco in the smoker. In all my book learnin' and internet surfin' I don't think I've ever come across that bit of wisdom. If anyone out there has info on that method I'd sure like to hear more. AL By the way Les, if you happen by this message drop me a line. Jerome R. Long wrote: > > Well, the one hive looks really healthy and has just about filled two supers > and two brood chambers. Should I put on that third super or is it time to > begin a fall anti-mite program? I was wiped out by varroa two years ago and it > seemed to come on pretty quickly in August. I would like to add the third > super and then take supers off and introduce apistan strips around 1 Sept. > I am in the Virginia mountains. Am I about to be undone by my greed or is it > OK to go for that third super? Does anybody think I need menthol or grease > patties or will apistan probably be enough? Article 14149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bmdhh222.europe.nortel.com!news From: Sharon Gibbs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeper with Wax Moth problem Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 15:11:14 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 42 Message-ID: <35F68C82.72C82A82@bottom.of.post> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncldm395.europe.nortel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14149 I'm a new beekeeper. I plucked up courage to look through my recently acquired hive and may have a problem with wax moth. How can I protect my bees over Winter? I am concerned that the wax moth caterpillars may trash the brood frames unless I take some remedial action. Background: My neighbour was keeping bees and had to stop due to an anaphylactic shock reaction. I have therefore acquired a hive complete with bees, a hive which had bees, but the bees have left it recently (maybe disease, although the hive was just deserted, no dead bees!?!). I also have numerous bee things - clothing, hive parts, honey extracting equipment. Wow... thanks neighbour! The empty hive had a super full of honey, which I have extracted. The brood box was infested with caterpillars. I have bought new foundation and I am working my way through cleaning out the frames and replacing the foundation. I have PDB crystals to treat / store the bee-less hive for next year. The hive with bees has a full super on it. I will leave this on the bees for the winter rather than feed them sugar water. When I treated for varroa (Bayvarol strips in brood box) I noticed that the cells on one of the outer frames in the brood box have been trashed. They are paper thin in places with several areas of damage. I can't use PDB crystals on this hive, but want to ensure that the moth and it's caterpillars don't take hold over winter. I kind of lost my nerve, as it was my first time in the brood box. I had crashed around enough so I didn't pull any more frames from the brood box. The brood box and super had plenty of bees in it, the cluster spread over all frames apart the outermost frame at each end. Any suggestions / advice welcome. Great Newsgroup by the way! -- Reply email address is sharon dot gibbs at nortel dot com Article 14150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.abs.net!news.cetlink.net!news1.i1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35F8ED8F.3939FA2@ix.netcom.com> From: Tim Dreste X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite honey bee References: <6s0i02$89j$1@boris.eden.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 79 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:29:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.74.143.221 X-Trace: news1.i1.net 905505298 209.74.143.221 (Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:14:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:14:58 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14150 As soon as you get a nuc, it should be placed in a hive body. Keeping a = colony in a nuc box will cause the queen to be "honeybound", i.e., no where too = lay as the cells are full of honey/pollen. They're not taking the pollen sub because they have real pollen out theer= e this time of year. Put them into std. bodies, feed them HEAVILY at 1:1 until = all the comb is drawn out, then feed them some thicker syrup (2 or 3 to 1) to giv= e them a good head start on wintering. Luckily, you live in Texas, and winterin= g there will be easier. Good Luck! Richard A. Trevino, Jr. wrote: > On May 21st I started a 3 lb package of Midnite bees. It appeared that = the > queen was laying a spotted pattern. The first week of June I order anot= her > Midnite queen to replace her. In conversation with a fellow beekeeper, = he > said that all queen breeders are experiencing similar problems. That be= ing > the case he suggested that I spilt the nuc and try to develop two nucs.= > Around June 10th I spilt the nuc and feed both nucs with 1:1 sugar wate= r for > about two weeks. Both nucs are bring in pollen and nectar. Both queen a= re > laying spotted patterns and have increased to about 3 to 3.5 frames by = July > 4th. > > Because of the drought I shaded the hives and the first week of August > started feed them again. I feed them with a gallon jar over the inner c= over > with an empty nuc chamber over the nuc brood chamber to decrease the ch= ance > of robbing. I also made substitute pollen patties by mixing soy flour, > brewer=92s yeast and honey. The patties were placed in the inner cover = next to > the jar of sugar water. The bees are storing the sugar water; however, = the > have not stored or touched the pollen substitute. > > From July 4th though August 25th neither nuc has grown beyond the 3 to = 3.5 > frames. I=92m puzzled as to why they have not grown or increased, espec= ially > with the feeding and pollen substitute. This raises a number of questio= ns: > > How long should I wait before combining them for winter? (I live in San= > Antonio, Texas) > > Is this normal for this strain of honey bee (midnite)? > > I started with the Midnite because they are extremely gentle and I have= been > very happy with there temperament. However, is the above behavior norma= l or > have I done something wrong? > > I know I started late; however, with the feeding and pollen substitute > shouldn=92t the nucs have grown by now? > > Should I move them from the nuc to a 10 frame brood hive? > > Does anyone have information on the Midnite bee? (for example, honey > producing, build-up, etc.) > > Any assistance would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Article 14151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Hummingbird Farm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com> Subject: Re: Need some answers please... Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:37:07 -0400 Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.32 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.32 Message-ID: <35f0a45f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14151 J.A. Rogers wrote in message <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com>... >Hi, > >I would like to start beekeeping and have a few questions. > >Is fall an okay time to purchase/set up a couple hives? I live in North >Idaho. > >If I can find a setup for sale before the snow flies, what would be a >good price and are there any special hints to prep it for winter? > >Would the hives be an attractact for bears? Bad berry season is bringing >them down close to homes. > >Thanks in advance, >J. Rogers > Fall is a bad time to start a hive . You will not be able to buy package bees until spring. I would reccomend that you look into some reading over the winter and then order your hive and supplies in the spring. You can get a catalog and good information about books and an excelent video for newbies from Brushy Mtn. Bee Farm at 1-800 233-7929 or sforrest@wilkes.net or visit their web site at www.beeequipment.com bee cool Allan Article 14152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new article Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:15:56 -0400 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.32 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.32 Message-ID: <35f57463.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14152 Greetings... "How old is your Queen?" article is located here http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Happy 80th birthday George!! Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 14153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning used hives Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1998090515403500.LAA04118@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Sep 1998 15:40:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14153 >We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for >some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. One way for all parts of the hive except the frames is paraffin dipping. Immerse in 320-degree Fahrenheit (159.8-degree Celcius) paraffin for 10-15 minutes. This serves multiple functions: it cleans propolis and wax from the hive parts; it is a wood preservative treatment; and it kills AFB, for example. Appendix B of Sammataro & Avitabile's *The Beekeeper Handbook* (3rd ed.) give general procedure but refers the reader to two more complete how-to sources for the procedure: *Wood Preservation of the Farm* (B.C. Canadian Ministry of Ag., Fish., &Food, 1993) and A. Matheson's article "Easily-constructed paraffin wax dipper" in *New Zealand Beekeeper* 41 (4): 11-12 (1980). Easier would be to locate a person in your area who already has the setup for paraffin dipping and ask for their help. Fumigation may be simpler unless you want to start using the dip process on all your hives... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 AT AOL.COM Article 14154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: foul brood Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:09:32 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6svivk$f3r$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup58.tnath.usit.net X-Trace: news.usit.net 905137972 15483 208.24.78.122 (7 Sep 1998 03:12:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1998 03:12:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14154 Any body had any problems with foul brood this year i think i have..very few bees in hive, brood is real dark no new brood...anything i can do ? What do you think i should do if in fact it is foul brood ? Thanks Don (east Tn.) Article 14155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: foul brood Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 08:23:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6t055g$86c$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <6svivk$f3r$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port9.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14155 "Don" wrote: >Any body had any problems with foul brood this year i think i have..very few >bees in hive, brood is real dark no new brood...anything i can do ? What do >you think i should do if in fact it is foul brood ? > Thanks Don (east Tn.) Send a sample of the brood to : Bee Research Research Laboratory Building 476, BARC-EAST U.S. Department of Agriculture Beltsville, MD 20705 They will let you know if you have foulbrood in about a week. They will only look for foulbrood. If the report comes back saying no disease found it means no foulbrood found. If you have AFB burn everything and bury it. EPA isn't allowing the use of ETO at the present. It sounds harsh and expensive but it the cheapist in the long run. Your state Dept. of Agriculture should also be able to help. Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!moxieman.ne.mediaone.net!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Not full Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:12:22 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 49 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: moxieman.ne.mediaone.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14156 It was a fun hobby beekeeping season, and now that it is September I had questions about not full supers. Mid season I had to harvest honey, because I ran out of supers. Now I have frames, some full, and some partially full , but with uncapped ( and therefore I assume high moisture) honey. When I take these off, do I let the bees clean them out? Do I harvest what I can? Do I save everything for next season and just seal the supers in a plastic bag? ( Location Boston). Thanks. -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Jackson Bunny<- "Live Free or Die" Article 14157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: W. Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to insulate bees X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 1 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:11:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 905544594 207.181.79.110 (Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:09:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:09:54 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14157 I was wandering when one should winterize their bees and what medication should I give them? I live just NE of Toronto. Article 14158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bhud@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I like bees Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:11:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6tc066$k6d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.48.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 11 20:11:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; AtHome0101) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 nwptn1.va.home.com (Traffic-Server/1.1.4 [1]), 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.2.48.34 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14158 Moo. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to insulate bees Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:31:53 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35F9C0F9.67E7@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.112 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905549602 VRL06/YYI3470CDD2C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14159 W. Anderson wrote: > > I was wandering when one should winterize their bees and what medication should I give them? I live just NE of Toronto. Hi, I live around Kingston, Ontario, I have finished taking the honey off and have started the apistan for mites and terramycin for foulbrood. I will start the fumagil for nosema in about a week. I wrap tar paper around my hives around the end of October. Hope this helps. Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: FIRST_M_LAST Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Kansas beekeepers to advise beginner Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:24:33 -0500 Organization: Boeing Wichita Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35F99511.41C6@unixmail.ks.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rs175084.ks.boeing.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NSCP (X11; I; AIX 1) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!uunet!in2.uu.net!xyzzy!pwic002.ks.boeing.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14160 Hello all, I am just getting started in the beekeeping business. Have been reading this newsgroup, ordered some books, etc. Still have a lot to learn. I live in a rural, South-Central region of Kansas. I'm looking for other beekeepers that live in my area for advice. I've read that I need to register with the Ag department, but don't know how to do this. Too many question to post. So, how about it? Are there any readers out there operating in Kansas? Thanks in advance, -- Billy Smart Boeing Wichita Article 14161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "mrnorth" Subject: Re: Need some answers please... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com> Message-ID: <01bddde1$3b097ea0$71b772ce@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 20 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:07:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: sf16.dreamscape.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:07:10 EDT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14161 I would suggest that you wait and buy or start in the spring. You chances of a loss are better in the winter and if you buy in the spring you will have the advantage of inspecting and making sure that you get a good hive. J.A. Rogers wrote in article <35E9D185.7B44CA8D@nidlink.com>... > Hi, > > I would like to start beekeeping and have a few questions. > > Is fall an okay time to purchase/set up a couple hives? I live in North > Idaho. > > If I can find a setup for sale before the snow flies, what would be a > good price and are there any special hints to prep it for winter? > > Would the hives be an attractact for bears? Bad berry season is bringing > them down close to homes. > > Thanks in advance, > J. Rogers > > Article 14162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news From: "Robert Hamilton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Canadian Honey Date: 12 Sep 1998 15:13:57 GMT Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bdca73$50345a60$1d74a58e@RobertHamilton.sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts00aa2.sk.sympatico.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14162 Please e-mail us if you're interested in a quote for semi-trailer loads of Saskatchewan Honey. Rob Hamilton Article 14163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions about when to do what. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998091217352800.NAA13935@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Sep 1998 17:35:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14163 Hi! I know that messages with question like this one are probably posted quite often, so I hope that I do not bother to many people with this. My hive was started in May of this year, and, after a very dry summer with almost no flowers areound at all, the tropical storm season has hit and the bees expanded the last frames in the hive body so fast that I (who has no experience) so astounded. So I ordered my next hive body and was wondering what to do when I put it on. Do I just set it on top of the old one? Or do I take some of the frames from the first on and put it in the second one? Another thing. If the queen is laying a bad patern, do I replace her as soon as I realize that, or is there some time of the year that I should do that? I live in Houston, TX, so fall and winter are still a few months off. Thank you to anyone who can help a novice! Dar Article 14165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!solomon.io.com!news.globeset.com!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.netreach.net!usenet From: "Marc W. Wachter" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not full Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:36:20 -0400 Organization: NetReach InterNetNews Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ted26$53b$1@tikehau.netreach.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207152-067.netreach.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14165 I think it may be better to leave the uncapped supers to the bees - the reason being that if the honey has too much moisture it begins to ferment over a certain period of time. I also do not think that it would be wise to store them outside of the hive as there are plenty of "unfriendlies" that would find the honey supers and make their residence there - later when you rejoin the super with the rest of the hive you would introduce these inhabitants into your hive. If I am offbase with any of this somebody please let me know - we only learn by our mistakes and misconceptions. Marc Article 14166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not full Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:22:13 -0700 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35FAD7F5.7E0E@povn.com> References: <6ted26$53b$1@tikehau.netreach.net> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp177.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14166 Marc W. Wachter wrote: > > I think it may be better to leave the uncapped supers to the bees - the > reason being that if the honey has too much moisture it begins to ferment > over a certain period of time. I also do not think that it would be wise to > store them outside of the hive as there are plenty of "unfriendlies" that > would find the honey supers and make their residence there - later when you > rejoin the super with the rest of the hive you would introduce these > inhabitants into your hive. > > If I am offbase with any of this somebody please let me know - we only learn > by our mistakes and misconceptions. Yo Marc: Though I am only a bee hobbiest and far from knowing what I'm doing, for what it is worth I will second your motion. At the end of the season, while still warm enough for the bees to move the honey, I put any uncapped frames left in the honey supers into a super and place them on top of an inner cover, over the brood chamber(s). The bees will move the uncapped honey down into the brood chamber(s), assuming there is enough empty comb left to store it. If there is any *capped* honey on the mostly uncapped frames, you will have to scrape the caps open or they will not move the capped portion down. Once the frames have been completely emptied I remove the super and store the frames for the winter. Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 14167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Armand Boutte" References: <6t698d$7e9@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Starting Beehive Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:31:10 -0700 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust74.tnt21.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.254.227.74] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14167 Central Coast. ddavidd wrote in message <6t698d$7e9@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com>... >I just started one real easy what part of Ca are you in ? > > >David > >Armand Boutte wrote in message ... >>I would like to start a beehive in my back yard, but I know nothing about >>it! Is it legal in California? How many worker bees would I need? How >>much would the worker bees cost? How much would a queen cost? How much >>would other supplies cost?(for 1 hive) Any other advice would be greatly >>appreciated! >>Matt >> >> > > Article 14168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper with Wax Moth problem Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:13:25 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 51 Message-ID: <35FB0015.B1@galstar.com> References: <35F68C82.72C82A82@bottom.of.post> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14168 Sharon Gibbs wrote: > > I'm a new beekeeper. I plucked up courage to look through my recently > acquired hive and may have a problem with wax moth. How can I protect > my bees over Winter? I am concerned that the wax moth caterpillars may > trash the brood frames unless I take some remedial action. > > Background: > > My neighbour was keeping bees and had to stop due to an anaphylactic > shock reaction. I have therefore acquired a hive complete with bees, a > hive which had bees, but the bees have left it recently (maybe disease, > although the hive was just deserted, no dead bees!?!). I also have > numerous bee things - clothing, hive parts, honey extracting equipment. > Wow... thanks neighbour! > > The empty hive had a super full of honey, which I have extracted. The > brood box was infested with caterpillars. I have bought new foundation > and I am working my way through cleaning out the frames and replacing > the foundation. I have PDB crystals to treat / store the bee-less hive > for next year. > > The hive with bees has a full super on it. I will leave this on the > bees for the winter rather than feed them sugar water. When I treated > for varroa (Bayvarol strips in brood box) I noticed that the cells on > one of the outer frames in the brood box have been trashed. They are > paper thin in places with several areas of damage. I can't use PDB > crystals on this hive, but want to ensure that the moth and it's > caterpillars don't take hold over winter. > > I kind of lost my nerve, as it was my first time in the brood box. I > had crashed around enough so I didn't pull any more frames from the > brood box. > > The brood box and super had plenty of bees in it, the cluster spread > over all frames apart the outermost frame at each end. > > Any suggestions / advice welcome. > > Great Newsgroup by the way! > -- > Reply email address is > > sharon dot gibbs at nortel dot com Get yourself a helper package of bees and a new queen. the hive is to weak to ward off any intruders. Need more bees in hive. you can also use a hive tool to SMASH any worms you see. Please FEED your bees as they probly, depending on your area, do not have anything to spur production of new brood. 1:1 mix spurs production and 2:1 spurs storage. lol Article 14169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!kiowa.exodus.net!207.14.113.3.MISMATCH!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980913002651.12506.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Mystery bees Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:51 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14169 sci.bio.entomology:43 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7566 Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points for scientific name, if you know it. http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_bee/bees1.jpg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Terence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey bottling Date: 10 Sep 1998 08:52:09 GMT Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bddc9a$c0e74c20$f83515a5@homepc> NNTP-Posting-Host: qtas2058.singnet.com.sg X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsread.com!uunet!uunet!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.attap.net!mango.singnet.com.sg!dahlia.singnet.com.sg!mawar.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14170 Hello, will appreciate if some one can tell me how to treat and bottle wild honey. The honey produces a gas, any idea what is it? Thanks. Please reply to Witono@prontomail.com. Article 14171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Questions about when to do what. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:31:37 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 46 Message-ID: <35FB58B9.3B1C@kingston.net> References: <1998091217352800.NAA13935@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905653986 VRL06/YYI3455CDD2C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14171 HeinzeDJAK wrote: > > Hi! > > I know that messages with question like this one are probably posted quite > often, so I hope that I do not bother to many people with this. > > My hive was started in May of this year, and, after a very dry summer with > almost no flowers areound at all, the tropical storm season has hit and the > bees expanded the last frames in the hive body so fast that I (who has no > experience) so astounded. So I ordered my next hive body and was wondering > what to do when I put it on. Do I just set it on top of the old one? Or do I > take some of the frames from the first on and put it in the second one? > > Another thing. If the queen is laying a bad patern, do I replace her as soon > as I realize that, or is there some time of the year that I should do that? I > live in Houston, TX, so fall and winter are still a few months off. > > Thank you to anyone who can help a novice! > Dar Well to answer your first question but the second chamber on now and set it ontop of the first one. You could move a frame of honey up to the second box if you like. If the hive isn't very strong this will help to coax them up. But if there are alot of bees, say enough to cover almost all the top bars then it probably isn't nessecary. Check in a week, it helps if there is a honey flow on to. Since I don't live in Texas some of your fellow beekeepers in your neck of the woods will help you there. Your second question regarding the poor brood pattern may be somewhat tricky to answer. Since the bees have filled the last frame the box might bee honey bound ( sorry for the pun, couldn't resist). That is the queen doesn't have enough room to lay. You can verify this visually. If there was a poor honey flow this can cause a small and somewhat poor looking pattern. The final reason that comes to mind is you do have a poor queen. Are you keeping an eye out for mites? There are alot of factors to think of here. Is there another honey flow coming up where you are? If so you could give the hive a boost with some syrup. This will help them draw the foundation out quicker and will get the queen laying. Since your winter and mine (Ontario Canada) are different I won't get in to that. Again the folks who live along the southern states will help you there. I hope this will help you start your investigation. Let use know what you find. Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: address Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:52:17 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35FB5D91.6315@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905655230 VRL06/YYI3455CDD2C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14172 Hi all, Thanks to everyone who wrote me back regarding the phone number for Walter Kelly. I got in touch with them. Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not full Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1998091303304700.XAA10120@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Sep 1998 03:30:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14173 In article , iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: >It was a fun hobby beekeeping season, and now that it is September I had >questions about not full supers. Mid season I had to harvest honey, >because I ran out of supers. Now I have frames, some full, and some >partially full , but with uncapped ( and therefore I assume high moisture) >honey. When I take these off, do I let the bees clean them out? Do I >harvest what I can? Near the end of the season, bees often leave honey uncapped. You can check to see if it's okay to use, by shaking the frames. If the nectar flies out, it is definitely not ready, and it will ferment. If no nectar shakes out, it's perfectly okay to extract, especially if you mix it with other capped honey. If the contents are still drippy, put the super over an inner cover. The bees will move the honey down and finish it. Never leave empty supers over bees for cold weather. They have to heat that empty space, and it will cause them to consume a lot more. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing Bees Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:39:04 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 84 Message-ID: <6tfb88$175$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6tb312$u87$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 13 02:39:04 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14174 In article <6tb312$u87$1@the-fly.zip.com.au>, "Cherie" wrote: > G'Day, > I live in Sydney Australia and have an ongoing bee problem I was > hoping to get some help with. > > For the past 5 years we have had bees nesting in an inaccessable part of our > roof. After being unable to find any other solutions to the problem, I had > some sort of poison put in the roof. They dissapeared for a couple of years, > but have returned every spring for the last 3 yrs. Every morning we find > sick bees in the bedroom closest to the hive, but the bees continue to use > the hive. I would greatly appriciate some ideas for removing the bees, > preferably without poison. The hive is completely inaccessable, the only way > to affect the bees is through the bathroom celing fan. We thought of blowing > smoke through the fan, but this is messy and we would like other suggestions > before we try. > > Thanyou! > Cherie. Cherie, I trust you already have come to recognize the folly of poisioning honeybees in order to "get rid of them" in a "they are living in MY house" situation. Ya see ya just made a longer term mess by doing so AND you are a LOT less likely to be able to get a local beekeeper to help ya out of the bind now. Additionally you need helpful pollinating insects just like all the rest of us so why kill them off? This is based on you actualy having honeybees in the roof. If you actually have some sort of wasp the removal problem would be different. IF they keep coming back in good numbers EACH SPRING then they could indeed by honeybees. Do you see incoming bees with pollen on their legs? Or do you see incoming wasps carrying insect parts in their mandibles? What has happened is you did succeed in killing the original colony. But more than likely you used a residual poison or at least a fat soluble one which has been adsorbed by the beeswax. Since you did not remove ALL the comb, ALL the propolis post haste after killing off the original colony you in essence left a poisoned swarm trap in your home. Honeybees are VERY inclined to move into a cavity where bees have resided before. So the existing comb (likely preserved from wax moth destruction by the poison as well) serves to lure in a home seeking swarm. The poison toxicity level has decreased a bit over time (what did you use anyway?) and so the colony gets sick and fails to thrive. It is too late now (post poison application) to do what likely could have worked before - that being to put a screen cone (hole in end big enough for one drone to squeeze out of - sticking out about 9-12 inches or so from actual entrance) over the entryway and a hive outside within a couple feet of the entry (yep it may require building a platform). The exiting workers get out fine. The incoming workers can't figure out how to get in and move into the nearby hive. It takes a good solid month or so. You MUST be certain the screen cone don't get clogged up. THEN once no more bees are coming out of the house you take down the screen and let the hive that used to live there go back in and rob out the honey in the wall/ceiling/wherever. Generally it is wise to start with a quite weak hive outside with a laying queen. They claim sometimes the queen from inside will come out and enter the new hive - I have yet to see that happen. And if you have really good puzzle solving bees and one cone is a cinch for them to defeat you just put another cone over the top of it. BUT ya still need to get out the old comb or it serves as a swarm lure. I have known folks to take the easy/lazy way out of this and squirt that expanding insulation foam into the entry (after removing the bees and honey as per above description). Generally as long as the brood and the honey are gone AND the entrys are absolutely ALL sealed bee tight shut then ya don't get any new swarms moving in. IF/when you do get in there and remove the old comb and honey be certain to recall you poisoned it. Discard it in a safe manner that does not get yourself, other humans, or any other of God's creations poisoned. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper with Wax Moth problem Date: 9 Sep 1998 17:52:34 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 81 Message-ID: <6t6f92$m2t$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <35F68C82.72C82A82@bottom.of.post> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14175 Where are you located? If winter temperatures are cold enough (I assume freezing or below) you will be able to store your equipment outside or in a shed since the cold will kill the moths and larvae. If your colony is relatively strong, it will repair the damaged frames and drive out the moths. No need to worry about it or treat. The real question is whether or not your colony is strong enough to make it through the winter and whether or not they have sufficient stores. One super of honey seems a little low - are you in the South? Also, wax moth larvae feed on the detritus left by the brood as they develop and emerge from their cells. I forget exactly what it is the moth larva feed on, the cocoon, perhaps... Anyway, a good management option is to refrain from using honey supers (whetehr deeps or mediums) as brood chambers. If your supers are only used for honey, the larva tend to do minimal damge to the since thre's nothing in them to eat. Any damage done is easily repaired by the bees... Which leads me to my final point, Even severely damaged frames can be repaired by a strong colony. If you lose a colony to something other than disease, it is a good idea to place the various chambers on your other colonies during the warm months. They may not be needed or used, but the bees will protect them from moths. (In the winter, if it's cold, you don't have to worry about this.) As for using damaged colonies, cull out the frames that are broken or in really bad shape; physically remove as much of the moth cobweb as is practical, the bees will usually do the rest if they are a strong and relatively aggressive colony. good luck, DT Sharon Gibbs (address@bottom.of.post) wrote: : I'm a new beekeeper. I plucked up courage to look through my recently : acquired hive and may have a problem with wax moth. How can I protect : my bees over Winter? I am concerned that the wax moth caterpillars may : trash the brood frames unless I take some remedial action. : Background: : My neighbour was keeping bees and had to stop due to an anaphylactic : shock reaction. I have therefore acquired a hive complete with bees, a : hive which had bees, but the bees have left it recently (maybe disease, : although the hive was just deserted, no dead bees!?!). I also have : numerous bee things - clothing, hive parts, honey extracting equipment. : Wow... thanks neighbour! : The empty hive had a super full of honey, which I have extracted. The : brood box was infested with caterpillars. I have bought new foundation : and I am working my way through cleaning out the frames and replacing : the foundation. I have PDB crystals to treat / store the bee-less hive : for next year. : The hive with bees has a full super on it. I will leave this on the : bees for the winter rather than feed them sugar water. When I treated : for varroa (Bayvarol strips in brood box) I noticed that the cells on : one of the outer frames in the brood box have been trashed. They are : paper thin in places with several areas of damage. I can't use PDB : crystals on this hive, but want to ensure that the moth and it's : caterpillars don't take hold over winter. : I kind of lost my nerve, as it was my first time in the brood box. I : had crashed around enough so I didn't pull any more frames from the : brood box. : The brood box and super had plenty of bees in it, the cluster spread : over all frames apart the outermost frame at each end. : Any suggestions / advice welcome. : Great Newsgroup by the way! : -- : Reply email address is : sharon dot gibbs at nortel dot com -- Article 14176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <19980913002651.12506.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mystery bees Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:11:41 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: userm008.uk.uudial.com [193.149.77.58] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14176 sci.bio.entomology:44 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7567 Richard Davis wrote in message <19980913002651.12506.qmail@hotmail.com>... >Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points for >scientific name, if you know it. Yes. It is a nest of a species of Bumble bee (Bombus sp.) The photograph shows a queen and some workers among the waxy brood cells. I can't do the species as I am not familiar with it. It is a species that certainly does not occur in Britain (or Europe?). Stuart Roberts Article 14177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: W. Anderson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: KILLER BEES X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.2 Lines: 1 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:27:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.79.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@netcom.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 905689561 207.181.79.104 (Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:26:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:26:01 EDT Organization: Netcom Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14177 Are they northbounb? If they do come into Canada what would be the effect on the Canadian bee industry? Article 14178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:26:16 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35FC0E48.E6D9CD61@midtown.net> References: <6s75vv$h8g$0@208.18.95.51> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905711916 38BMS018M6506CDA2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) To: W & E Bowles Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14178 If you can/would, I'll bet there are lot's of people, (besides me), that would like to see the plans and/or details of the obs. hive. So if ya would..... Thanks Jerry W & E Bowles wrote: > I now have my observation hive in full operation. It is, by far, the > most interesting thing I've ever encountered. I suggest that anyone > really interested in the activity of there bees should make one. > > With this hive you see everything from within inches, the bees don't > seem to mind us peering at them day and night. We watch the queen lay, > the development of the new bees and what the rest of the hive is doing. > I had the pleasure of seeing the drones being expelled, a queen cell > being constructed and the new queen emerge. I especially love watching > the new bees coming out and doing there little dance to get their > circulation going ( I assume). > > Thanks to all who contributed there ideas and plans so that I could do > this. Special thanks to Morris Booton for physically helping me and > allowing me to use his shop and equiptment. I have it sitting next to > my other best hobby. (the computer) > > In Him, > > Elizabeth Article 14179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KILLER BEES Lines: 49 Message-ID: <1998091321210600.RAA01851@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:21:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14179 >W. Anderson wrote: > > If they do come into Canada what would be the effect on >the Canadian bee industry? Depends whose scenario you believe. But it looks pretty certain that sooner or later Africanized honey bees (i.e., bees with some genetic heritage from Apis mellifera scutellata) will exist within the full potential range of feral honey bees in the Americas. The main uncertainty is: Just what does that mean: 1) for commercial honey production; 2) for hobby beekeepers; 3) foragribusinesses which depends on A.mellifera for pollination; 4) for the world food supply; 5) for human safety; 6) for human open-air recreation; etc.? If the genetic strain becomes diluted enough, the objectionable behavior of the Africanized bees may diminish, making it less of a problem. But dilution of the Africanized gene pool is hindered by the highly successful, agressive mating behavior of Africanized drones, the apparent genetic dominance of certain Africanized traits, as well as the shorter time it takes an Africanized queen to reach maturity (and kill her non-Africanized rivals). If the strain is not diluted, there is some hopeful speculation that life in a cooler climate may have a calming effect. But we have no strong evidence to help us here. The thing to remember here is that this is a no-longer-controlled (though it may come to be mitigated), ONGOING experiment. And since there is no previous American honey bee Africanization experiment of this nature to depend on for guidance in predicting the future, we can only closely watch the unfolding experiment and determine appropriate measures to protect our positions as particular situations become better defined. Also, Africanized bees are successfully kept in hives and used for commercial honey production in Brazil, sometimes even in the same apiary as colonies of European races of A.mellifera. So, despite all their bad habits (from our admittedly anthropocentric point of view), it may be possible for us to learn how to deal with them without being totally overwhelmed. In a sense, it all depends as much on our own adaptability anything. Humans never have been able to domesticate honey bees of any species, race, or strain. But we've learned to adapt to their biological traits. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 AT AOL.COM Article 14180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!news.savvis.net!devildog.ldd.net!not-for-mail From: "Timothy J. Rolwing" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agric Subject: FINANCING AVAILABLE Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:37:57 -0500 Organization: LDD-Net News Message-ID: <6tged2$4i9$1@devildog.ldd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hermes.ldd.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.beef:1406 alt.agriculture.commodities:162 alt.agriculture.fruit:8504 alt.agriculture.misc:10518 alt.agriculture.technology:194 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22091 sci.agriculture:28942 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14180 sci.agriculture.fruit:2245 sci.agriculture.poultry:6426 Financing available for any and all types of agricultural equipment, buildings, and farmland. 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Tim Rolwing RoFinCo trolwing@ldd.net Article 14181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KILLER BEES Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:29:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6thgve$58u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 13 22:29:03 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14181 In article , W. Anderson wrote: > Are they northbounb? If they do come into Canada what would be the effect on the Canadian bee industry? > Most of the natural northward migration seems to have slowed to a near stall - eastward movement is slow - westward movement has continued. They had been occupying another 200-300 miles North per year until they hit TX. Most of the northward movement you will now see will be beekeeper caused via migratory beekeeping AND also via non-beekeeping goods shipment from areas with Africanized bees (meaning trucks, trains, and ships, and maybe planes will transport a swarm North in a few days or hours which they did not even know they were transporting - especially if during winter - it happened near here one winter in a pipe shipment). At any rate - rather than panic - EDUCATE. Beekeepers keeping marked queens of calm nature in their hives (and allowing drones to be produced by them) is one of the best easy ways to help. The nice calm drones provide genetic pressure toward nice calm bees (though more Africanized queens are favored in crossbred situation via earlier emergence). The nice calm bees provide nectar source competition for ANY feral bees including Africanized ones. The nice calm bees serve as a "seed reservoir" for such nasties as Varroa mites, AFB, and Nosema which then act as a natural control on ALL untreated feral colonies including Africanized ones. Currently Africanized feral colonies are NOT favored in colder climates due to poorer overwintering ability (compared to European races) and Varroa mites which they as feral bees do not get treated for and thus die from within one or two years as a rule. Additionally calmer bees can be bred out of highly defensive bee stock via selection toward that end. The loss of many feral colonies in the North has produced a natural condition in some areas that makes it possible for better mating control by those inclined to select for improved traits. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not full Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:06:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 109 Message-ID: <6thfks$42d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998091303304700.XAA10120@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 13 22:06:20 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14182 In article <1998091303304700.XAA10120@ladder03.news.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > In article , > iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: > > >It was a fun hobby beekeeping season, and now that it is September I had > >questions about not full supers. Mid season I had to harvest honey, > >because I ran out of supers. Now I have frames, some full, and some > >partially full , but with uncapped ( and therefore I assume high moisture) > >honey. When I take these off, do I let the bees clean them out? Do I > >harvest what I can? > > Near the end of the season, bees often leave honey uncapped. You can check > to see if it's okay to use, by shaking the frames. If the nectar flies out, it > is definitely not ready, and it will ferment. ABSOLUTELY!!!! > If no nectar shakes out, it's perfectly okay to extract, especially if you > mix it with other capped honey. true as well but Ira you as a hobbiest may not have enough other capped honey to mix it with whilst keeping the total moisture level of the honey within a safe "ain't gonna ferment" range (while Dave DEFINITELY does) - additionally you ain't likely to have a moisture tester to check and be sure - bulging buckets will tell the story perhaps months later much to your chagrin (and then what ya gonna do??? - now there is a good question - uses for fermented honey??) - additionally larger beekeepers often have ways to bring down the moisture content BEFORE they extract it via using a dehumidifier and a fan in the warming room or after via using a honey drier > If the contents are still drippy, put the super over an inner cover. The > bees will move the honey down and finish it. > > Never leave empty supers over bees for cold weather. They have to heat that > empty space, and it will cause them to consume a lot more. some studies with thermocouples indicate that the bees don't heat space they are not occupying EXCEPT accidentally by loss of cluster heat - generally in unwrapped single thickness wood hive bodies ambient outdoor temperature begins again about 1-2 INCHES from the cluster then again - studies likewise indicate that well insulated colonies do indeed consume less stores (though in certain instances they suffer other troubles such as dehydration and subsequent loss of great numbers of water seeking bees on still cool "flight" days - along with zero or near zero "Spring Buildup") and may actually never truly cluster via keeping the whole hive "warm" via reduction of heat loss and yep the studies were done in different locations, different years, with different strains of bees meaning plenty of variables exist one thing my own experience indicates is that you don't want to leave uncapped honey in new white comb between the winter stores and the darker brood comb going into winter - this can lead to the bees in early winter consuming the uncapped honey in white comb then rather than starting to lay in the white comb they may just move down (away from the actual capped stores) into the dark comb when brood rearing begins in earnest thus leaving themselves stranded out of reach of their stores during a colder snap that follows - they can then starve out with a full winter worth of stores located a deep out of reach which really makes ya feel bad knowing it was your own folly that caused it of course off the topic at hand I have seen "brood locking" "early serious brooding" bees starve with properly arranged stores just one to two inches away from the starved cluster when a REAL cold snap (subzero Fahrenheit) lasted two weeks and they "opted" to lock on the brood rather than keep contact with stores (cluster contraction causing loss of stores contact) - thought of in a genetic perspective around here most winters genetically favor the bees that lock on the brood and weather the very cold spell (typically a short maybe two or three day extra cold period) in an attempt to keep the brood alive - if the cold snap is short enough that via using bee held food resources they don't starve via losing contact with stores then they end up thousands of workers ahead for the effort - IF the cold snap is longer than the cluster can weather without store contact well then they die and in those winters genetics favors the bees that move to stores even if they must abandon brood to do so (not a real common trait but yes it does exist) - just to point out that even in Nature in the same area normal variations in weather conditions can lead to conflicting genetic selection over the years (what was favored one year was disfavored the next) other survival options exist as well such as later serious brooding (longer low to no brood period) which leaves the bees (in serious winter areas) in position to retain store contact via having little if any brood during early Jan-Feb subzero cold snaps - using up less body protien to raise bees at a time when brooding is disfavored (here) and thus retaining more of the original winter bees until later in the season when brooding is favored making possible speedy buildup which often can rapidly overtake the early brooders that about then are going into "Spring dwindling" due to protien deprivation shortening lives of workers - the survival strategy that works best in Nature in your area is very much dependent on where you live - and in managed hives management can make a HUGE difference on what survival strategy works best - work with the bees not against them and you can use their strategy to advantage via accentuating the innate advantages of the strategy - work against them trying to force them to do it your way and it likely ain't gonna be so pretty -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Curtis" Subject: Preventing damage from Bears Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:52:53 -0700 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!WCG!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14183 I've got a new home in a location where the neighbors tell me we have a seasonal bear problem. I'm in SoCal mountains and a local black bear seems to have our property in his fall route. Normally he raids the local chicken coops and eats the unlucky chickens in the fall just before our rains come. Now I'm sitting here with a couple of new beehives right in his path. I'm trying to get set for his fall/winter visits and am looking for ideas. So far: I'm going to try putting up some steel 'T' posts around the hives and string up some electric fence. This will be a pain because of the distance I'll need to run wire to power the fence. I've got dogs but doubt that will completely solve the problem. Anyone with any great ideas? (please don't ask me to hoist the hives into the trees, I'm afraid they'd find my body in the spring under a pile of hive bodies) TIA, John Article 14184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk (John Douglas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Mystery bees Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:25:46 GMT Reply-To: john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk Message-ID: <35fd378d.38775289@news.dircon.co.uk> References: <19980913002651.12506.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.55.156 X-Trace: 13 Sep 1998 22:27:17 -0100, 194.112.55.156 Lines: 32 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news5.cableinet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!194.112.55.156 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14184 sci.bio.entomology:45 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7571 They look like bumblebees, genus Bombus To get a specific name wee need to know where this picture was taken... Bumblebees are found from just a few degrees south of the North Pole thru to the Amazon! On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:51 PDT, "Richard Davis" wrote: >Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points for >scientific name, if you know it. > >http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_bee/bees1.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:45:04 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6thlgq$alu$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6s2eid$rlh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35FC1050.94F1A4CE@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001inindip312.dialsprint.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-Posted-Path-Was: basement X-ELN-Date: Sun Sep 13 16:46:34 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14185 In article <35FC1050.94F1A4CE@midtown.net>, TiPnRiNg wrote: > >I've been looking for the same info. I've got, (most likely), the same >extractor and agree that it would not only be an arm saver, but I'm >thinking it might also save me some broken foundation. (Sometimes I get a >little over-zealous with the cranking.) If I get any info I'll definitely >forward it on to you,,,will you do the same? Thanks,,,Jerry > >jbirt@link2000.net wrote: > >> Can anyone please advise me on changing my 2 frame Dadant extractor >> to a more user friendly type, ie, affixing a motor to it. It seems that >> I have seen plans somewhere for this but until I finished extracting my >> 16 supers did I think I needed the motorized type. >> > If I may help... I am looking at an ad that a maker claims to manufacture an adapter to use a power drill on most hand cranked extractors. Considering most homes have year round use for a drill and only seasonal use for an extractor motor, you may wish to contact this firm. ACCORDING to the AD Send make and model number of the extractor and send $30. Considering the value of the Canadian Dollar to US, I'd call before sending a check. Murray Design and Repair 4063 Holborn Rd. Queensville, Ontario L0G 1R0 905-473-5456 Good luck! Article 14186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Re: Mystery bees Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:55:34 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Lines: 58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14186 sci.bio.entomology:46 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7572 Yes, bumblebees -- I believe that's correct. I don't know where this picture was taken, unfortunately, as it was obtained from a newsgroup and misidentified by the poster as a photo of honeybees. These bumblebees appear to be social in habit. From what I've seen of my local bumblebees, that's somewhat unusual. I'm trying to determine more about these bees, but so far, my net search hasn't turned up much. Does anyone have a rough idea of the percentage of bumblebees which respectively are social, gregarious, and solitary? I am also in the dark as to whether these bees make any honey. I've observed bumblebees sipping nectar before, and so if they did it might not be surprising. But I've never heard of anybody that has eaten such honey, which seems odd, if they in fact make any. Are there any bumblebee honey experts in attendance here? john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk wrote: > >They look like bumblebees, genus Bombus >To get a specific name wee need to know where this picture was >taken... >Bumblebees are found from just a few degrees south of the North Pole >thru to the Amazon! > >On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:51 PDT, "Richard Davis" > wrote: > >>Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points for >>scientific name, if you know it. >> >>http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_bee/bees1.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning used hives Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 11:48:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6stsqg$agt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.187.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 06 11:48:32 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.153.187.138 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14187 In article <35F154BE.5FBAD70F@thecharltongroup.com>, ann t schade wrote: > We recently purchased some used hive bodies/frames and are looking for > some advice on how to clean them up to insure they are not diseased. > They had been stored (some frames still had the drawn comb) in the > rafters of a garage out on a farm. Any suggestions? > > thanks in advance > > Ann Schade > > You may not have access to it (worth checking on though) but Gamma Irradiation is the sure way to eliminate ALL disease from used equipment. Generally speaking most folks are talking about being sure there ain't no American Foulbrood spores present when they are talking "not diseased" - it takes 320 degrees Fahrenheit constantly for at least 1-1/2 hour to kill all AFB spores in used equipment - obviously this leaves you with no comb left. (though you likely already have no comb left due to storage conditions described). What that means point blank is that many old favorite methods actually do NOT leave you with AFB spore free equipment - they may reduce the count slightly or even greatly but that is all. AFB spores are pretty tough. Of course I am certain folks would be disappointed if I did not add in here that you can breed disease resistant bees - in fact you can breed bees that can be given combs with 1,000 plus scales of AFB (billion of spores) and they will remove the scale via destroying the infected comb back to the midrib (or completely even if needed) and rebuilding it in scale infested areas (patches of new white comb in black comb that wasn't wax moth damaged is a preliminary indicator of potential). take good care, Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preventing damage from Bears Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1998091422522400.SAA14722@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 22:52:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14188 >"John Curtis" wrote: > >I've got a new home in a location where the neighbors tell me we have a >seasonal bear problem. >Anyone with any great ideas? One possibility is CRITTER GITTER (tm). It is a battery-operated infrared, motion and body heat detecting alarm system which covers an area of about 40 feet from the unit and spreading out over 90 degrees. Somewhere between $50 and $60 per unit. When presence of an animal trips the alarm, it makes piercing sounds and flashing lights, intimidating the animal into retreat. Then it resets itself, using a new pattern of noise and light each time, in order to lessen the liklihood that animals just get used to it and ignore it. It is supposed to work with all kinds of animals, including bears. (So you may want to keep your dogs away from the apiary as it will go off on them too.) I know of two places which sell it, though there are probably many more: Better Bee, Inc. (in Greenwich, NY) Fax & Info: 1 (518) 692-9669 Order: 1 (800) 632-3379 or Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (in Moravian Falls, NC) 1 (800) 233-7929 ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kj@jaf.nildram.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Torque and stuff. Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:27:05 GMT Organization: Chaos: You Choose. Message-ID: <3605a0a1.52061483@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!scooby.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14189 Somebody wanted a formula, for an extractor clutch. I'm told this will help; if not, don't start on me, I'm only the bloke wot typed it! Brake power: P(kW)=2*p*N(rev/s)*T(N*m)*10E-3 P(hp)=(N(rev/min)*T(lbf*ft))/5252 -- jaf@jaf.nildramDELETE-THIS-BIT.co.uk Article 14190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive size? Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 20:01:30 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35f2e8bf.7773310@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl2-149.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14190 OK, I am decloaking here in order to ask a question that I have not heard asked since I started silently observeing this group. What is the proper size for a hive? I see lots of illustrations on websights of one brood chamber and 2 or 3 honey supers. Seem to me if you were to increase the size of the brood chamber and the number of honey supers your colony would get large enough to supply more surplus honey. But then again, I am not a bee keepre YET, so what do I know? Dave Article 14191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998091422084200.SAA07806@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 22:08:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14191 > was wondering if I should use support pins or wire for my frames. Any >commenst appreciated. > > i use support pins and wired foundation, this seems to work very well, course ya cant turn your extractor at warp 6 but it works very well Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk (John Douglas) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Mystery bees Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:47:54 GMT Reply-To: john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk Message-ID: <35fdc753.7678228@news.dircon.co.uk> References: <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.53.248 X-Trace: 15 Sep 1998 03:49:25 -0100, 194.112.53.248 Lines: 85 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!194.112.53.248 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14192 sci.bio.entomology:47 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7578 To the best of my knowledge all Bombus are social! Their actual colony size varies according to species. I have tasted bumblebee , it's rather weak in flavour compared to Apis (honeybee). The quantities are very small... Try doing a websearch thru AltaVista, Excite, Yahoo, etc. Use the key words - Bombus, bumblebee, entomology, hymenoptera, apidae Apart from the US/Canadian Extension services of the Universities or Dept of Agriculture, you will only find the odd reference to bumblebees and nesting/pollination. You should find some good references to books about bumblebees, like the following from my library Bernd Heinrich, Bumblebee Economics, 1979, Harvard David Alford, Bumblebees, 1975, Davis-Poynter, London John Free & Colin Butler, Bumblebees, 1959, Collins, London FWL Sladen, The Humble-bee, 1912, Macmillan, London I have not done much work on Bombus/Psithyrus since 1971, that was in the UK and arctic Europe. On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:55:34 PDT, "Richard Davis" wrote: >Yes, bumblebees -- I believe that's correct. I don't know where this >picture was taken, unfortunately, as it was obtained from a newsgroup >and misidentified by the poster as a photo of honeybees. > >These bumblebees appear to be social in habit. From what I've seen >of my local bumblebees, that's somewhat unusual. I'm trying to >determine >more about these bees, but so far, my net search hasn't turned up much. >Does anyone have a rough idea of the percentage of bumblebees which >respectively are social, gregarious, and solitary? > >I am also in the dark as to whether these bees make any honey. I've >observed bumblebees sipping nectar before, and so if they did it might >not be surprising. But I've never heard of anybody that has eaten such >honey, which seems odd, if they in fact make any. > >Are there any bumblebee honey experts in attendance here? > >john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk wrote: >> >>They look like bumblebees, genus Bombus >>To get a specific name wee need to know where this picture was >>taken... >>Bumblebees are found from just a few degrees south of the North Pole >>thru to the Amazon! >> >>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:51 PDT, "Richard Davis" >> wrote: >> >>>Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points >for >>>scientific name, if you know it. >>> >>>http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_bee/bees1.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Article 14193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:34:56 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35FC1050.94F1A4CE@midtown.net> References: <6s2eid$rlh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905712436 38BMS018M6506CDA2C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) To: jbirt@link2000.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14193 I've been looking for the same info. I've got, (most likely), the same extractor and agree that it would not only be an arm saver, but I'm thinking it might also save me some broken foundation. (Sometimes I get a little over-zealous with the cranking.) If I get any info I'll definitely forward it on to you,,,will you do the same? Thanks,,,Jerry jbirt@link2000.net wrote: > Can anyone please advise me on changing my 2 frame Dadant extractor > to a more user friendly type, ie, affixing a motor to it. It seems that > I have seen plans somewhere for this but until I finished extracting my > 16 supers did I think I needed the motorized type. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!boris.eden.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard A. Trevino, Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preventing damage from Bears Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:29:40 -0500 Organization: AMICI Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6tl8bd$d7p$1@boris.eden.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.244.55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14194 How about old tires. I heard that deer will not cross rolls of tires for fear of falling or not being about to jump the distance of the barrier. I wonder if this same principle will work with bears. Richard John Curtis wrote in message ... >I've got a new home in a location where the neighbors tell me we have a >seasonal bear problem. Article 14195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35FE53E9.5F87@together.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:47:53 -0400 From: Theresa Reply-To: graywinn@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Mystery bees References: <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.41.54.44 X-Trace: 15 Sep 1998 07:43:04 -0500, 207.41.54.44 Organization: Together Networks - Burlington, VT. Lines: 57 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.97.120.24!news.together.net!207.41.54.44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14195 sci.bio.entomology:48 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7583 Richard Davis wrote: > > Yes, bumblebees -- I believe that's correct. I don't know where this > picture was taken, unfortunately, as it was obtained from a newsgroup > and misidentified by the poster as a photo of honeybees. > > These bumblebees appear to be social in habit. From what I've seen > of my local bumblebees, that's somewhat unusual. I'm trying to > determine > more about these bees, but so far, my net search hasn't turned up much. > Does anyone have a rough idea of the percentage of bumblebees which > respectively are social, gregarious, and solitary? > > I am also in the dark as to whether these bees make any honey. I've > observed bumblebees sipping nectar before, and so if they did it might > not be surprising. But I've never heard of anybody that has eaten such > honey, which seems odd, if they in fact make any. ** *****I'm no expert, by any means. I've heard they don't make enough to share. Only enough to get themselves through the winter. ** > Are there any bumblebee honey experts in attendance here? > > john-d@nSoPAM.dircon.co.uk wrote: > > > >They look like bumblebees, genus Bombus > >To get a specific name wee need to know where this picture was > >taken... > >Bumblebees are found from just a few degrees south of the North Pole > >thru to the Amazon! > > > >On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:51 PDT, "Richard Davis" > > wrote: > > > >>Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points > for > >>scientific name, if you know it. > >> > >>http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_bee/bees1.jpg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Stuart Roberts" References: <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mystery bees Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:51:56 +0100 Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <#7A$HUN49GA.221@upnetnews03> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: userm713.uk.uudial.com [193.149.80.1] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14196 sci.bio.entomology:49 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7586 Richard Davis wrote in message <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com>... >These bumblebees appear to be social in habit. From what I've seen >of my local bumblebees, that's somewhat unusual. I am surprised to hear this. As a genus, they are either eusocial or parasitoids. Most Bombus (s.s.) are social, although amongst the species of the high arctic (subgen Alpinobombus) are some where the summer season is so short that there is no worker caste produced. Bombus (subgen Psithyrus) species are brood parasites (behaving similarly to cuckoos) and produce no workers either. >Does anyone have a rough idea of the percentage of bumblebees which >respectively are social, gregarious, and solitary? I think this is covered above. None is solitary. >I am also in the dark as to whether these bees make any honey. They do, but only small amounts for the short term use of the nest inhabitants. No long term store for the colony is necessary (cf Honey Bees) as the colony breaks down in the autumn, and the queens hibernate. The males and workers dying off. I've >observed bumblebees sipping nectar before, and so if they did it might >not be surprising. But I've never heard of anybody that has eaten such >honey, which seems odd, if they in fact make any. Not worth risking being stung by the angry inmates for only a small amount. Better to go to the supermarket and stick with Apis honey. >>Bumblebees are found from just a few degrees south of the North Pole >>thru to the Amazon! And even south to Tierra del Fuego! A research paper by Paul Williams (Natural History Museum, London) of 25 June 1998 lists 239 described species (excluding fossil taxa). Williams, P. 1998. An annotated check list of bumble bees with an analysis of patterns of description (Hymenoptera: Apidae, Bombini). Bull.nat.Hist.mus.Lond.(Ent.) 67(1):79-152. This paper is a must for all serious bombologists Stuart Roberts Hope this is some help Article 14197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!oronet!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preparing for winter Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998091512363500.IAA07991@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:36:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35FD8D61.37C7@indy.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14197 Make sure the hive has stores for winter feed 2 parts sugar to one part water if the hive is light. Insert Apistan strips in the broodnest. Reduce the bottom entrance and provide an upper exit/vent hole. Screen the lower entrance for mice Add a grease patty to the top of the brood nest. Dust the edges of the brood frames with terra mix or use a terra grease patty. Purchase a decent bee book or subscribe to the bee magazines- American Beekeeper or Bee Culture. Article 14198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980915221946.7270.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Re: Mystery bees Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:19:46 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc,sci.bio.entomology Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14198 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7587 sci.bio.entomology:50 "Stuart Roberts" wrote: > >Richard Davis wrote in message <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com>... > >>These bumblebees appear to be social in habit. From what I've seen >>of my local bumblebees, that's somewhat unusual. > >I am surprised to hear this. As a genus, they are either eusocial or >parasitoids. Most Bombus (s.s.) are social, although amongst the species of >the high arctic (subgen Alpinobombus) are some where the summer season is so >short that there is no worker caste produced. Bombus (subgen Psithyrus) >species are brood parasites (behaving similarly to cuckoos) and produce no >workers either. > It appears I was mistaken. I once found a bumblebee queen hibernating all alone in a rotten stump, and also had frequently seen the local types enter underground locations, where they presumably were nesting, and there never seemed to be more than one. Guess I wasn't attentive enough. And of course, the mere fact of solo hibernation is not enough to conclude the species is solitary, since yellowjackets do this too, and they are social. Thanks to all for the informative replies! --RD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preventing damage from Bears Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:00:07 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35fd2eb0.1040872@news.jps.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.35.140 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.35.140 Lines: 20 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.35.140 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14199 On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:52:53 -0700, "John Curtis" wrote: >seasonal bear problem. I'm in SoCal mountains and a local black bear seems >So far: I'm going to try putting up some steel 'T' posts around the hives >and string up some electric fence. >This will be a pain because of the >distance I'll need to run wire to power the fence. Most beekeepers use a battery operated system. Check with local extension office for plans of apiary protection fence as if not made properly they will not work. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35FEECD0.29318394@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:40:16 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kids suit References: <6tlbkn$bgq@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.249.14 X-Trace: 15 Sep 1998 22:41:06 GMT, 32.100.249.14 Lines: 14 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!32.100.249.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14200 I got my son (6yrs) some of the stretch baseball pants and an old long sleeve shirt of mine. This has worked well. The elastic around the waist and ankles keeps the bees out. Al Welk- Atlanta, GA ddavidd wrote: > > Hi I am looking for a kids bee suit for a 9 year old ? > > thought I would try here before I drop $85 for one ? > > David Article 14201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Late Feeding Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:17:49 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35FF3B9E.3965@kingston.net> References: <6tk090$br3$1@winter.news.erols.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905908497 VRL06/YYI5057CE2FC usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14201 John D'Amico wrote: > > I have two hives that were started late from swarms this year, and have > built up very little in the way of reserves for the winter. All the other > hives are fine, but we had a dry summer and competition from the other hives > is probably the cause. My question is how long can I safely continue to > feed syrup to these hives? This may sound like a dumb question, but is > there also any way to feed through the winter in this kind of a situation, > like with dry sugar? Has anyone tried this? Thanks for any ideas. John Hi John, First thing first, There are no dumb questions! Ok, Since I don't know where your from so I don't know what your winter is like. I'm in Ontario Canada. I need about 120 lbs of food for each hive. I am currently feeding one hive that I started around july 2:1 syrup and I will continue for as long as I can. They are just starting drawing out the 15th frame. I placed some frames of honey in it from my other hives to help it along. The bees will need water to use the dry sugar. So if you winter is like mine (snow and cold, Nov. til March) they won't be getting much water. I hope you can draw the info you need from this. Keep asking and good luck. Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Late Feeding Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 08:23:06 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <17FD275EDS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6tk090$br3$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14202 In article <6tk090$br3$1@winter.news.erols.com> "John D'Amico" writes: > ... two hives started late from swarms have built up very little > reserves for the winter... How long can I safely continue to > feed syrup to these hives? Simple answer is, "For as long as they'll take it!" You should however be feeding thick syrup (2 parts sugar to one part water). Please don't ask the next question, "Is that by weight or by volume?", as that will start the annual discussion which is really a red herring. Pick whichever you want (weight or volume) and then start feeding your bees THICK syrup vs the 1:1 stuff that you feed them in the spring. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Mystery bees Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 08:48:46 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <17FD27BF1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14203 sci.bio.entomology:51 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7593 In article <19980913235534.7150.qmail@hotmail.com> "Richard Davis" writes: > >Yes, bumblebees -- I believe that's correct. > >These bumblebees appear to be social in habit. From what I've seen >of my local bumblebees, that's somewhat unusual. No, Bombus sp. are semi-social, meaning they annually build up their colonies but only the queen overwinters. Dr. Keith Deleplane wrote a series of articles (3 or 4 parts) published last year(?) in American Bee Journal dealing with raising bumble bees. >I am also in the dark as to whether these bees make any honey. Yes they do but not in great quantities. I have never tasted any. Bumble bees are enjoying quite a bit of attention as greenhouse pollinators with established bumble bee nests commanding a premium price (multiple hundreds of dollars) although I am not willing to post my guess as I'm sure it's off-correct and will draw many challenges. A web search for "Bombus" turns up 800+ hits and there is a listserv list devoted to Bombus (BOMBUS-L@LISTSERV.UOTTAWA.CA). There's lots out there. Aaron Morris - I think, but more often I bumble! Article 14204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Support Pins? Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:49:10 -0400 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.7 Message-ID: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.51!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!reliant!12.4.231.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14204 I was wondering if I should use support pins or wire for my frames. Any commenst appreciated. Article 14205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 09:20:04 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <17FD28346S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6s75vv$h8g$0@208.18.95.51> <35FC0E48.E6D9CD61@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14205 In article <35FC0E48.E6D9CD61@midtown.net> TiPnRiNg writes: > >If you can/would, I'll bet there are lot's of people, (besides me), that >would like to see the plans and/or details of the obs. hive. So if ya >would..... Thanks Jerry Surf to: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/obsrhive.pdf (Requires Acrobat Reader) Aaron Morris - I think, and sometimes I observe! Article 14206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ahem.....are we permitted to brag? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:46:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19980916104605.11403.00000048@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14206 We have been featured in a Honey Month article in The State newspaper in Columbia. The food editor, Carol Ward, did an outstanding job. And photographer, Linda Stelter, got a backlit photo of our varietal bears that is a classic. It does not come through as clearly on the internet but you can get the idea at The State's web page: http://www.thestate.com/features/ (There are three different stories. They'll be replaced at 8 am tomorrow.) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35FF1BAB.4726@eznet.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:00:11 -0400 From: jsteele Organization: SSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feed Honey Back to the bees?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup53.roc-tc1.eznet.net Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.50.128.5!news.eznet.net!dialup53.roc-tc1.eznet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14207 I have some old honey that I heated up to liquify. It was stored in a metal container and has taken on a metal taste. Would it be appropriate to poke holes in the 5 gal can and let the honey drip over the unfilled supers that might need a little more before cold weather sets in? Would I be better off waiting until spring and feed the honey instead of sugar water? Article 14208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:01:20 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35FFC4B0.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14208 Aaron Morris wrote: > > In article <35fd56c9.0@reliant> > "Bob" writes: > > > > >I was wondering if I should use support pins or wire for my frames. Any > >commenst appreciated. > > > Well, what kind of foundation are you using? If it's crimped wire or > Duraguilt, support pins will suffice. Anything less and you should > wire. Next time go with a plastic foundation and you can skip both > wire and pins. > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! I thought pins weren't recommended for Duragilt (Isn't this the Dadant foundation with the metal strip down the end?) Check their catalog. I went with Duragilt just for this reason (no pins/wires). Randy -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 14209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Late Feeding Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1998 14:57:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35FF3B9E.3965@kingston.net> Message-ID: <19980916105701.11403.00000050@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14209 John D'Amico wrote: > > I have two hives that were started late from swarms this year, and have > built up very little in the way of reserves for the winter. All the other > hives are fine, but we had a dry summer and competition from the other hives > is probably the cause. My question is how long can I safely continue to > feed syrup to these hives? This may sound like a dumb question, but is > there also any way to feed through the winter in this kind of a situation, > like with dry sugar? Has anyone tried this? Thanks for any ideas. John If they have NO reserves, I wouldn't try. I'd combine them with a stronger hive. If the cluster is quite strong, and they have a little honey in the brood nest, or you can add some frames of honey alongside the cluster, you can then use a sugar board or dry sugar. But never let them run totally out of capped honey. Remember, too that in cold weather a frame of honey that is not in contact with the cluster (overtop of dirctly alongside) is worthless to the bees. They will not move sideways in cold weather, and if there is an empty frame between them and the honey, they will starve. Some beekeepers winter hives in the northeast with sugar boards, which is solid blocks of sugar, placed directly over the cluster. They need water to use this, but there is usually plenty of condensation in cold weather, and in warmer weather, they can gather water. Here in South Carolina, where surprisingly we seem to need almost as much feed as in the northeast we feed a lot of dry sugar. I have wood rims (about 1 3/4 inches. I lay down an excluder (in the spring they will often come on very fast and fill the rim with burr comb. I'd rather have honey in that burr comb than drone brood.....), then lay down a couple sheets of newspaper, then fill the rim with sugar. Moisture from the bees wets the paper and the sugar, caking it into a solid block. As long as it is directly above the cluster in cold weather, they will feed. At first they will lick the paper, then they will chew it up. Dry sugar will not overstimulate the queen too early, but it will prevent starvation and keep the bees in excellent shape. Toward spring, we usually switch most of the hives to syrup, to jump-start them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: stoigo@ora.fda.gov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kids suit Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:33:07 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6top83$87s$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6tlbkn$bgq@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <35FE79EA.7D12@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.148.6.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 16 16:33:07 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 150.148.6.101 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14210 Hi there! I also strongly endorse the Tyvek suits. I let my 9 year old wear them on visits to the hive. They are easily adaptable to their size - Just slide the sleeves/pants to the desired length. They are very comfortable, have a hood which can be used in addition to the veil, and at $8.50 at Home Depot, they are very affordable. I use them all the time for hive work. The suits are very durable, though they will not last indefinitely. Hope this helps In article <35FE79EA.7D12@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: > ddavidd wrote: > > > > Hi I am looking for a kids bee suit for a 9 year old ? > > > > thought I would try here before I drop $85 for one ? > > > > David > > My 9yr old daughter uses an adult size Tyvec suit ($9). She pulls the > suit up, gathers the excess under her arms and holds it there with a > belt. The the excess hangs back down covering her mid section. This > takes only few seconds to arrange and the final results work great! > The suit also has a hood that increases the protection offered by the > veil. Like you, I was reluctant to plunk down much money for a suit the > kid was going to grow out of next year. With this method the suit will > grow with her. > > AL > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing Bees - reply Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:02:11 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 209 Message-ID: <3601d059.31840621@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <6tb312$u87$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> <6tfb88$175$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6tlm1i$887$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co72-79.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 16 12:01:55 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14211 Hello Cherie, Matthew Westall in Castle Rock, Co here. I've been to Sydney several times - nice culture-change from USA. I've removed around 15 hives from buildings this year & every single one was a repeat from a previous hive. If you use poison, they WILL come back - though it's very easy to kill the hive for the short-term. If you can live with the smell of rotting brood & melting wax & dripping honey, then I'd poison them. They're likely already posioned from previous residue. You can spray a good amount of soapy water if you can reach close to the hive. Or bug-specialists have some kind of white powder which affects the bee's nervouse system & kills the entire hive in a matter of minutes. A better solution - open up the roof of your house from the outside, and have the bees removed. This will cost you a bit of lumber & construction, but it's a the only gaurantee for bee-removal. I pull hives out of roof-eves all the time. You'll find the majority of the bees & honey are within 3' of their original entrance. As well, bees like to climb up so you should have a good idea exactly where the bees are in relation to their original entrance. If you have a soffet extending out over your house, cut out this first (I use a circular saw set to minimum depth). By removing the nails with a screwdriver & hammer, you can usually come out with a decent cut which you can simply re-nail the piece back in later & caulk the saw cut after removing the bees. Using a wet-vac is a necessity on hives like this as the bees will be EVERYWHERE & highly likely to sting with the noisy disruption. I use a bee-vac which is a modified wet-vac with low pressure & cages to collect bees - as I only remove hives for the bees & honey (for free). All this is hard-work & most bee-keepers won't go for it. It'll take them about 4 hours to remove the bees, comb & soffet. Besides the hard-work, the chance of getting a poisoned hive from the previous poison is enough for a beekeeper like me to pass on the removal. If there are no bees worthy of salvage, there's not all that much 'fun' to it. IF you don't have an extending soffet, you might be in trouble as the best way to get them WILL be from inside the house. Drywall is cheap and usually not too expensive for the labor to replace. The MOST important thing to remember after you choose whatever way to get rid of the hive is to insulate, insulate, insulate. Bees need space to build a hive (generally 3-4" x 12" x 3' or similar at a minumum - usually three to five times this space if you can imagine a commercial hive inside your rooftop). If they don't find any in the area where there used to be a hive then they won't seek out your house next year. Pay particular attention to this point as scout-bees smell out new home-locations every summer and swarms prefer to locate where other bees have been. Fixing the problem once will prevent them coming back year after year. Good luck, Matthew in Castle Rock, CO On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:56:28 +1000, "Cherie" wrote: >Dear Jack, > Thankyou for your help! I am very glad to recieve any help at all, >as I certianly didn't know the bees would keep coming back to the original >comb. I must however clear some matters up that may allow you to provide any >other suggestions. > >First of all I am quite sure they are bees. There is no doubt about it, as I >clean them out of the house every morning! > >When I said the area was inaccessable, I mean INACCESSABLE! I am on the top >story of a 2 story duplex, and there is a small cliff underneath the side of >the house with the affected area. Any bug removal specialist I talk to wants >to access the hive through the roof, from inside, which is also extremely >difficult as there are no man-holes, and only a very small cavity between >the outer roof and the inner one, which is further blocked by a large >air-conditioning unit up there. > >Unfortunaly, being unable to reach the entrance without a huge and >complicated scaffolding, I cannot try to attract the bees away from the >comb. > >The removal squad I used originally, did block as many holes as possible in >the roof during the last adventure, but unfortunatly there are simply too >many entries to close them all. At one point they were entering the roof >from a different side of the house, to reach the same hive within the roof. >They are currently using the tiny gaps in the brick wall, around the >external pipes, where they enter the roof. > >The most ideal remedy I could think of was putting something in the roof >that wasn't poison but would cause the bees agrivation, or deter them in >some way. Perhaps there is a common substance I could use? Perhaps not? > >Other than that, your suggestion to use a type of expanding foam is the only >other solution that could be applied in practice, however I fear that the >bees must be removed before this stage? > >Is it possible that the bees would continue building the hive, until it >reached a weight that caused it to fall through the roof? > >Everyone I talk to wants to put poison in the roof, which I can't see as >lasting any longer than my last attempt, when I need a long term solution. >It seems I would have a slightly original and very difficult situation on my >hands! But I greatly appreciate your help, and it's people like you who make >newsgroups one of the best information pools on the internet! > >Thankyou again! >Cherie. > >> "Cherie" wrote: >>> G'Day, >>> I live in Sydney Australia and have an ongoing bee problem I was >>> hoping to get some help with. >>> >>> For the past 5 years we have had bees nesting in an inaccessable part of >our >>> roof. After being unable to find any other solutions to the problem, I >had >>> some sort of poison put in the roof. They dissapeared for a couple of >years, >>> but have returned every spring for the last 3 yrs. Every morning we find >>> sick bees in the bedroom closest to the hive, but the bees continue to >use >>> the hive. I would greatly appriciate some ideas for removing the bees, >>> preferably without poison. The hive is completely inaccessable, the only >way >>> to affect the bees is through the bathroom celing fan. We thought of >blowing >>> smoke through the fan, but this is messy and we would like other >suggestions >>> before we try. >>> >>> Thanyou! >>> Cherie. >> >> >>Cherie, >> >>I trust you already have come to recognize the folly of poisioning >honeybees >>in order to "get rid of them" in a "they are living in MY house" situation. >>Ya see ya just made a longer term mess by doing so AND you are a LOT less >>likely to be able to get a local beekeeper to help ya out of the bind now. >>Additionally you need helpful pollinating insects just like all the rest of >>us so why kill them off? >> >>This is based on you actualy having honeybees in the roof. If you actually >>have some sort of wasp the removal problem would be different. IF they >keep >>coming back in good numbers EACH SPRING then they could indeed by >honeybees. >>Do you see incoming bees with pollen on their legs? Or do you see incoming >>wasps carrying insect parts in their mandibles? >> >>What has happened is you did succeed in killing the original colony. But >>more than likely you used a residual poison or at least a fat soluble one >>which has been adsorbed by the beeswax. Since you did not remove ALL the >>comb, ALL the propolis post haste after killing off the original colony you >>in essence left a poisoned swarm trap in your home. Honeybees are VERY >>inclined to move into a cavity where bees have resided before. So the >>existing comb (likely preserved from wax moth destruction by the poison as >>well) serves to lure in a home seeking swarm. The poison toxicity level >has >>decreased a bit over time (what did you use anyway?) and so the colony gets >>sick and fails to thrive. >> >>It is too late now (post poison application) to do what likely could have >>worked before - that being to put a screen cone (hole in end big enough for >>one drone to squeeze out of - sticking out about 9-12 inches or so from >>actual entrance) over the entryway and a hive outside within a couple feet >of >>the entry (yep it may require building a platform). The exiting workers >get >>out fine. The incoming workers can't figure out how to get in and move >into >>the nearby hive. It takes a good solid month or so. You MUST be certain >the >>screen cone don't get clogged up. THEN once no more bees are coming out of >>the house you take down the screen and let the hive that used to live there >>go back in and rob out the honey in the wall/ceiling/wherever. Generally it >>is wise to start with a quite weak hive outside with a laying queen. They >>claim sometimes the queen from inside will come out and enter the new >hive - >>I have yet to see that happen. And if you have really good puzzle solving >>bees and one cone is a cinch for them to defeat you just put another cone >>over the top of it. >> >>BUT ya still need to get out the old comb or it serves as a swarm lure. I >>have known folks to take the easy/lazy way out of this and squirt that >>expanding insulation foam into the entry (after removing the bees and honey >>as per above description). Generally as long as the brood and the honey >are >>gone AND the entrys are absolutely ALL sealed bee tight shut then ya don't >>get any new swarms moving in. >> >>IF/when you do get in there and remove the old comb and honey be certain to >>recall you poisoned it. Discard it in a safe manner that does not get >>yourself, other humans, or any other of God's creations poisoned. > > > Article 14212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tediet@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEES NEEDED URGENTLY!! Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:27:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6tosdc$cqh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.53.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 16 17:27:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.112.53.66 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14212 Hello. I am an artist based in the UK and I am looking for some DEAD BEES. I need them urgently, bumblebees preferably but honey bees will do. Ideally, enough to fill a half a litre jar or more. Sorry to bother you scientists who have more important things on your mind, but I would be very obliged for any help. As I cannot receive this newsgroup through my server, please could you E-MAIL ME YOUR REPLY ready@dircon.co.uk Thanks. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for plant book Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:59:06 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ton8a$55n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.226 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 16 15:59:06 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x10.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.157.226 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14213 Al, the fellow selling Pellet's book, American Honey Plants, was Dave Cleave. I bought the book from him and was very satisfied by both his service, and his description of the book's condition. Try: dcleaves@geocities.com I don't think he specializes in beekeeping topics, but he certainly was helpful. In article <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net>, Al Welk wrote: > A few months ago someone posted a message about trying > to sell a book dealing with necter producing plants for > Honey bees.> I am looking for the address of that book dealer or any > information on similar books...> Hopefully someone has that address in a recycle bid> somewhere. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kellys Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998091001213500.VAA11934@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Sep 1998 01:21:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35F5C43D.6B6F@kingston.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14214 >When I posted my original >question regarding extracter RPM someone responded discribing a clutch >that could be purchased from "Kellys"? Does anyone have a phone >number. Try this: The Walter T. Kelley Co., Inc. 3107 Elizabethtown Rd. PO Box 240 Clarkson, KY 42726-0240 tel: (502) 242-2012 fax: (502) 242-4801 Article 14215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nyd.news.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold tolerance Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:48:20 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6totl4$r84$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4c SunOS 4.1.3_U1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14215 I've finally gotten some land where I can try beekeeping, after just reading about it for years, so I'm looking into starting a couple of hives in the spring. One of many questions I still have is this: Since I'm in extreme northern Michigan (next to Lake Superior), the winters are hard and the summers are short. But, package bee suppliers seem to be mostly in the southern U.S. Will strains of bees from the southern apiaries really do well under these conditions, or should I try to get bees from a more northern source, with bees that are better adapted to the conditions here? Any advice, particularly advice specific to keeping bees in cold climates, will be welcome. Thanks! Incidentally, this will be my second attempt at keeping bees, the first attempt was when I was about 12. I made a lot of mistakes then, mostly because I wasn't sufficiently prepared and didn't know where to turn for advice. I'm trying to take the time to do it right this time :-) Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 14216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: webmaster@sylnet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for plant book Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:20:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6tpa34$unl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net> <6ton8a$55n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.38.140.246 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 16 21:20:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 200.38.140.246 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14216 I suggest that you visit http://www.sylnet.com/books and use our search engine for books, by author, title or subject. Good Luck! In article <6ton8a$55n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, flanders@probe.net wrote: > Al, the fellow selling Pellet's book, American Honey Plants, was Dave Cleave. > I bought the book from him and was very satisfied by both his service, and > his description of the book's condition. Try: dcleaves@geocities.com I don't > think he specializes in beekeeping topics, but he certainly was helpful. > > In article <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net>, > Al Welk wrote: > > A few months ago someone posted a message about trying > > to sell a book dealing with necter producing plants for > > Honey bees.> I am looking for the address of that book dealer or any > > information on similar books...> Hopefully someone has that address in a recycle bid> somewhere. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:20:25 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for plant book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.77.215 X-Trace: 14 Sep 1998 19:21:13 GMT, 166.72.77.215 Lines: 15 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.77.215 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14217 A few months ago someone posted a message about trying to sell a book dealing with necter producing plants for Honey bees. I am looking for the address of that book dealer or any information on similar books, I am looking for information on plants / shrubs and trees that I can plant in my year to encourage and help honey bees. Hopefully someone has that address in a recycle bid somewhere. Thanks Al Welk, Atlanta, GA Article 14218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:40:19 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35FDA944.1949@kingston.net> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905805674 VRL06/YYI348ECDD2C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14218 Bob wrote: > > I was wondering if I should use support pins or wire for my frames. Any > commenst appreciated. Hi Bob, I use pins if its comb honey and wire for extracting. Kent Stienburg -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 14219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Late Feeding Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:03:27 -0400 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6tk090$br3$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-199.s8.as2.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 905806944 12131 207.172.170.199 (14 Sep 1998 21:02:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14219 I have two hives that were started late from swarms this year, and have built up very little in the way of reserves for the winter. All the other hives are fine, but we had a dry summer and competition from the other hives is probably the cause. My question is how long can I safely continue to feed syrup to these hives? This may sound like a dumb question, but is there also any way to feed through the winter in this kind of a situation, like with dry sugar? Has anyone tried this? Thanks for any ideas. John Article 14220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kashimori@aol.com (Kashimori) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KILLER BEES Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998091423092700.TAA15203@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 23:09:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35FCD649.BE97D5C3@ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14220 Tim Dreste wrote: > The current word is that Africanized bees have slowed in their northward >press, why we still don't know. That uncertainty provides us a very interesting puzzle. Very little is known about how honey bees of any race move into new territory to establish themselves there. The European Dark Bees brought into N.America in the 1600's, etc., moved into the interior ahead of European colonists. So there are no records about the behavior of those bees in their quest to establish themselves in new terrain. Up to the Africanized bees migrations out from Brazil, that was the largest set of migrations into new territory within history. We'll never know whether there were great or minor similarities between that situation and the current one. The slowed pace could be related to this puzzle. ******************** The e-mail address from which I sent this is filtered to receive no mail PLEASE send any e-mail to me at the following address: AdrianKent at AOL dot com (in words for the same reason the other address is filtered: spam) Article 14221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New articles Date: 14 Sep 1998 23:53:54 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 46 Message-ID: <01bde03a$197895e0$29d1fcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri2-41.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14221 In the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" (+ 4.000 visits / month), you can find: "The Future of Bees and Honey Production in Arab Countries", by Moustafa A. EL-Shehawy at: http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/arab_countries.htm and "Residues in honey after application of thymol against Varroa using the Frakno Thymol frame" by Stefan Bogdanov, Verena Kilchenmann, Anton Imdorf and Peter Fluri - Federal Dairy Research Institute - Liebefeld - Bee department - CH-3003 Berne - Switzerland at: http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/thymol_us.htm and... a lot of other things at: http://www.beekeeping.com/index_us..htm (\ ______ {((O8< _______________________ (/ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 05 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.com and http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiculture.com and http://www.apicultura.com and http://www.imkerei.com and http://www.apiservices.com Latitude : N 45° 17' Longitude : E 001° 01' _________________________________________ Article 14222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!torn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold tolerance Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:23:29 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6tph9h$6n2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6totl4$r84$1@campus1.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 16 23:23:29 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14222 In article <6totl4$r84$1@campus1.mtu.edu>, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: I'm looking into starting > a couple of hives in the spring. One of many questions I still > have is this: Since I'm in extreme northern Michigan (next to Lake > Superior), the winters are hard and the summers are short. But, > package bee suppliers seem to be mostly in the southern U.S. > Will strains of bees from the southern apiaries really do > well under these conditions, or should I try to get bees from > a more northern source, with bees that are better adapted to > the conditions here? Any advice, particularly advice specific > to keeping bees in cold climates, will be welcome. Thanks! > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > Tim, IMO you will so better with bees bred toward better WINTER survival. Yes you can certainly winter bees from the South up North. But some of them ain't too dandy at wintering as they have been bred for traits more geared toward migratory beekeeping where some of the really big boys favor YEAR round brooding. Up your way bees that shut down and stay calm will survive better as a rule IF you do your part and keep them healthy including whacking back the V-mites in time. You can buy bees from Canada - even from quite a bit North of yourself. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 14223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.shore.net!uunet!uunet!in2.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ahem.....are we permitted to brag? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:57:08 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36005054.3B3A86FC@valley.net> References: <19980916104605.11403.00000048@ng124.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-124.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14223 Pollinator wrote: > We have been featured in a Honey Month article in The State newspaper in > Columbia. The food editor, Carol Ward, did an outstanding job. And > photographer, Linda Stelter, got a backlit photo of our varietal bears that is > a classic. It does not come through as clearly on the internet but you can get > the idea at The State's web page: > > http://www.thestate.com/features/ great article! everytime i see a healthy cuke in the supermarket, i'll think of you. ;) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Cherie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing Bees Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:49:15 +1000 Organization: The Zipsters Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6tb312$u87$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.8.20.233 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14224 G'Day, I live in Sydney Australia and have an ongoing bee problem I was hoping to get some help with. For the past 5 years we have had bees nesting in an inaccessable part of our roof. After being unable to find any other solutions to the problem, I had some sort of poison put in the roof. They dissapeared for a couple of years, but have returned every spring for the last 3 yrs. Every morning we find sick bees in the bedroom closest to the hive, but the bees continue to use the hive. I would greatly appriciate some ideas for removing the bees, preferably without poison. The hive is completely inaccessable, the only way to affect the bees is through the bathroom celing fan. We thought of blowing smoke through the fan, but this is messy and we would like other suggestions before we try. Thanyou! Cherie. Article 14225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntpX.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36009F5F.FB6648A2@home.com> From: Hugh Tait <"h.tait "@home.com> Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold tolerance References: <6totl4$r84$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <6tph9h$6n2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:20:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.205.83 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:20:41 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14225 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > In article <6totl4$r84$1@campus1.mtu.edu>, > Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > I'm looking into starting > > a couple of hives in the spring. One of many questions I still > > have is this: Since I'm in extreme northern Michigan (next to Lake > > Superior), the winters are hard and the summers are short. But, > > package bee suppliers seem to be mostly in the southern U.S. > > Will strains of bees from the southern apiaries really do > > well under these conditions, or should I try to get bees from > > a more northern source, with bees that are better adapted to > > the conditions here? Any advice, particularly advice specific > > to keeping bees in cold climates, will be welcome. Thanks! > > > Tim Eisele > > tceisele@mtu.edu > > > > Tim, > I agree. I think you will do much better with northern strains that are geared to colder weather. Whenever we have bought Queens from the south or New Zealand we have had up to 50% falure the first year.Though once the weak ones were weeded out both queens and their prodginy do well. Other critical things to insure successful overwintering are making sure they have enough feed should winter go long ( min 80 lbs in my area), making sure they are sheltered from the north west, and consider wrapping them in black with a little insulation, leaving the upper entrance open to allow moisture to escape. hugh Northern Saskatchewan, 40 below with wind Article 14226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "Tasos Toutoutzian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small TRAILOR for BEESHIVES Wanted Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:39:58 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6tebqr$gr4$1@ns1.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe-e06.otenet.gr X-Trace: ns1.otenet.gr 905622171 17252 195.167.120.85 (12 Sep 1998 17:42:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 1998 17:42:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14226 I want to build, a small trailor to carry 8-12 double hives. Any photoes, drawings suggestions are welcome Thank you Tasos atout@otenet.gr Article 14227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980913233912.13837.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Re: Preventing damage from Bears Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:39:11 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14227 "John Curtis" wrote: > >I've got a new home in a location where the neighbors tell me we have a >seasonal bear problem. I'm in SoCal mountains and a local black bear seems >to have our property in his fall route. Normally he raids the local chicken >coops and eats the unlucky chickens in the fall just before our rains come. >Now I'm sitting here with a couple of new beehives right in his path. I'm >trying to get set for his fall/winter visits and am looking for ideas. > >So far: I'm going to try putting up some steel 'T' posts around the hives >and string up some electric fence. This will be a pain because of the >distance I'll need to run wire to power the fence. > >I've got dogs but doubt that will completely solve the problem. > >Anyone with any great ideas? (please don't ask me to hoist the hives into >the trees, I'm afraid they'd find my body in the spring under a pile of hive >bodies) > >TIA, >John The electric fence should do it. I use a battery-operated one, and have had zero bear problems since I installed it. That might also be a solution to the long wire run problem. And, you could check into a solar charger for the unit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cyclone.i1.net!news1.i1.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35FCD649.BE97D5C3@ix.netcom.com> From: Tim Dreste X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KILLER BEES References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:39:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.74.143.226 X-Trace: news1.i1.net 905761657 209.74.143.226 (Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:27:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:27:37 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14228 The current word is that Africanized bees have slowed in their northward press, why we still don't know. Also, it seems that the Africanized bees are much less agressive in cooler climates. Due to their shorter brood time, (18 days) they are less susseptible to Varroa, since the mites don't fully develop before the bees emerge from their cells. Recently, I attended a presentation from a Peace Corps Volunteer from Paraguay, where they use the Africanized bees (in top bar hives) for honey production. The only caveats, move slowly, and always work the hives w/ 2 people and 2 smokers. W. Anderson wrote: > Are they northbounb? If they do come into Canada what would be the effect on the Canadian bee industry? Article 14229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: KILLER BEES Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998091412304600.IAA03668@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:30:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35FCD649.BE97D5C3@ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14229 MY guess is we will see fire ants in the northern US states before Africanized honey bees become a big problem. Article 14230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not full Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998091412343600.IAA06140@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 12:34:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6thfks$42d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14230 I put a few supers of partly filled honey on the hives above an inner cover 2 weeks ago and the bees filled it a little more. Maybe this is due to the fall goldenrod flow? There was room below. Next I will try the same trick with a couple of empty supers above the inner cover and then the super of partly filled frames as someone suggested the distance may make the bees move the honey. Tom in CT Article 14231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Caterpillars in Hive Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:56:07 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35FCF647.113D@juno.com> References: <6t437c$ohe$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905782131 OCZ7E7JIA4FA4CDD8C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Beeginer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14231 depending on where you are and if they have appeared there yet or not, could be the larvae of the african small hive beetle recently found in the southeast usa; check the pest alert webpage at: http://extlab1.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/mct-0612.htm Article 14232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pierco one piece foundation/frame Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1998 01:08:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19980917210849.03131.00000574@ng82.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14232 Ok folks, i'm seriously considering Pierco for next year. I'd like all your views both pro and con. post em and cc to my address if ya would Thanks a heap !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 10:42:59 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <17FD396B5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <35FFC4B0.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14233 In article <35FFC4B0.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> Randy Nessler writes: >I thought pins weren't recommended for Duragilt (Isn't this the Dadant >foundation with the metal strip down the end?) Check their catalog. I >went with Duragilt just for this reason (no pins/wires). Yes, Duragilt is Dadant's flagship foundation offering. If their catalog says no pins, then no pins it is. I stand corrected. Personally I detest Duragilt because the bees will NEVER rebuild comb over an exposed area of the plastic midrib. I know, never say never, but I have NEVER seen bees rebuild comb over an exposed area of the plastic midrib. I have read claims that the bees will rebuild if you first "paint" the exposed plastic with beeswax, but that's something I'd NEVER take the time to do! Again, if you want to throw away pins and wire forever, start using plastic foundation (Permadent, Rite Cell, Pierco, etc.). Aaron Morris - thinking NEVER stop thinking! Article 14234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Construction Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:46:41 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6tse99$fvb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust170.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Thu Sep 17 18:50:33 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14234 I'm thinking of making some hive bodies and was wondering what the easiest way of making the grip cuts is??? I would appreciate any input. Thank you Article 14235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3601CB64.6A776CB6@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:54:29 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.70 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 906087192 206.28.32.70 (Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:53:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:53:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14235 I have seen bees completely ignore plastic foundation. Article 14236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Milling Around Aimlessly Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:06:07 -0700 Organization: Various Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: market.pe.net X-Trace: lasierra.pe.net 906087871 22625 205.219.116.52 (18 Sep 1998 03:04:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1998 03:04:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14236 This afternoon the behavior of my pet bees in my top bar hive was unusual. There were beaucoups of them just milling around in the air all around the hive and in about a 50 foot diameter around the hive. Usually they just either stand around on the hive or they are taking care of business making a beeline to and from the hive. Why do you suppose they were lollygagging around like that in the air? They were not at all aggressive as I walked amongst them checking them out. It was a fine afternoon today and their honey stores are built up really well. Article 14237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1998 03:04:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6tse99$fvb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19980917230457.09690.00000835@ng37.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14237 I don't. I use cleats. But if you must. A radial arm saw with a dado blade set at an angle then lowered to make the cut will work just fine. Article 14238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preventing damage from Bears Lines: 37 Message-ID: <1998091422234400.SAA10230@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1998 22:23:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14238 >I've got a new home in a location where the neighbors tell me we have a >seasonal bear problem. I'm in SoCal mountains and a local black bear seems >to have our property in his fall route. >Now I'm sitting here with a couple of new beehives right in his path. I'm >trying to get set for his fall/winter visits and am looking for ideas. > >I've got dogs but doubt that will completely solve the problem. For the past several years our farm has been dealing with bears...needless to say, I understand how frustrating it can be...in our area, the bear waits till the hives have all of the supers filled and look wonderful before he selects that hive as dinner... We utilize a battery operated electric fence. The posts are fiberglass and the wire is threaded fabric wire...Basically this is the same is what is used on most farms for cattle. As an added bonus for the bear, I have heard of people "teasing" the bear with a sardene can with bacon...not what I recommend, but it gives the bear a little zap! We have had a few instances where the bear realized that the fence was a problem, so it broke the fence at the post...judging by the damage, the bear realized that it was going to be a *shocking* experience if he continued on, so he left the fence as it was... > >Anyone with any great ideas? (please don't ask me to hoist the hives into >the trees, I'm afraid they'd find my body in the spring under a pile of hive >bodies) ;o) hoist the hives into trees...hmmm...I thought we kinda got away from "Bee Trees" a few years back...although, it does cut down on equipment cost, but the replacement cost of the hive is high... Good Luck!!! ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 14239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1998 03:28:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980917230457.09690.00000835@ng37.aol.com> Message-ID: <19980917232854.06728.00000922@ng-fa2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14239 I use cleats too. I like them better than the hand holds. I've also heard people say the cut hand holds cause cold spots in the hive Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend Article 14240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:26:50 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6tsnad$npb@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> References: <6tse99$fvb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca14-38.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 17 9:24:45 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14240 I have one that the hand holds were made with a router. approx 1/2'' into the sides. You could make a template put a guide on the router if you have one and it would take seconds. they look pretty good also. or you could just glue and screw a piece maybe 1'' x 1/2'' to the sides of the hive David Beeginer wrote in message <6tse99$fvb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... >I'm thinking of making some hive bodies and was wondering what the easiest >way of making the grip cuts is??? > >I would appreciate any input. > >Thank you > > Article 14241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:50:46 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3601E6A6.2D50@midwest.net> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3601CB64.6A776CB6@mis.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906094448 .ZFUVYH4M1C22D0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14241 michael wrote: > > I have seen bees completely ignore plastic foundation. I've heard this before. Is it when they are given a choice or even when they have nothing *but* plastic? I use Rite cell and have two brood boxed crammed full - all 20 frames are loaded. They didn't seem the least bit reluctant to draw out the comb from day one, but they never had a choice of foundation. AL Article 14242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos2!demos!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold tolerance Date: 18 Sep 1998 16:55:40 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6tu3ac$94m$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <6totl4$r84$1@campus1.mtu.edu> <6tph9h$6n2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36009F5F.FB6648A2@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4c SunOS 4.1.3_U1] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14242 Hugh Tait <"h.tait "@home.com> wrote: : Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: Thanks for the replies, it sounds like the best bet would be to buy a nucleus from a local beekeeper. From what I've seen poking around the last day or so, there are a number of places in the northern US and Canada that sell queens, but I haven't seen any that also sell package bees. If I have to start with a package, would it make sense to get bees from a southern apiary in the spring, and then re-queen with a northern queen around the middle of summer? Or, are there more northerly package suppliers that I missed? Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 14243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!135.173.83.25!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: 18 Sep 1998 16:50:13 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bde324$6e35f680$de62400c@default> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <35FFC4B0.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> <17FD396B5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <360261EF.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.222 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14243 Randy Nessler wrote in article <360261EF.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu>... > I did have some "funky" comb drawn out this year. There were some bare > areas, but I'll just replace those foundations next spring. Granted, > with five hives, it isn't going to kill me time wise. The weird comb > that was drawn (drawn from the top bar, with bees getting in between the > new comb and the bare foundation, was packaged as cut comb! I had a > couple of requests for cut comb, so it worked out ok. Oh, the freedoms > of hobby bee keeping. Now where did I put that catalog with the plastic > foundation? > Randy > -- > Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu > Views expressed are my own. > I had this same problem with Duragilt. Unfortunately, the bees used this comb to raise brood so the idea of using it as cut comb is out of the question. The same hive drew out Pierco frames flawlessly. I'll NEVER (NEVER not used in the presidential sense) use Duragilt again. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 14244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco one piece foundation/frame Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:48:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980917210849.03131.00000574@ng82.aol.com> Message-ID: <19980918154858.00325.00000879@ng84.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14244 Pros are that you don't have to do any assembly and they are ready to go into a hive. IF you put them on in the right conditions, the bees will accept them as well as any other foundation system. The problems with them are: Bees don't propolize them well to the boxes, but the do burr comb them to tops and between boxes. When you remove a top or pull a box, some of the frames will come up and you will be rolling bees between frames, which if it doesn't kill the queen REALLY ticks the bees off. You now have to go in with a hive tool (with ticked-off bees pouring out) and separate the frames from the upper box or lid. Not much of a labor-savings there! They are slightly narrower than most wood frames and if you move a box or are not careful to push them together, bees will cross-comb them something fierce. This seems to always happen in brood boxes and it then take a long time to cycle them out. For honey production they are OK, IF you handle them gently. When well drawn, they are a pleasure to uncap by hand, but a flail uncapper will trash them in short order. I won't even begin to tell you what a solar wax melter will do to them. They are plastic and the top ends are not a strong as the wood top bars and when you do break them off, frame-saver repairs are margianl at best. I am a huge fan of plastic foundation in wood frames, but you still have to assemble the wood frame. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 14245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1998 19:52:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3601E6A6.2D50@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19980918155228.00325.00000880@ng84.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14245 IF conditions are right, bees will work any foundation system. One great advantage to palstic foundation is the if conditions are not right, the bees don't chew it all up like the will with wax/Duragilt Ron Bennett. Luickiamute Bee Article 14258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3603C9C9.274C@together.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:12:09 -0400 From: Theresa Reply-To: graywinn@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.41.54.12 X-Trace: 19 Sep 1998 11:06:33 -0500, 207.41.54.12 Organization: Together Networks - Burlington, VT. Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.97.120.24!news.together.net!207.41.54.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14258 To the Newsgroup: I'm in the North Country of New England. Concidering taking over, at half price, a thriving hive. Question #1. Here it is September 19, and there is now apistan strip in the hive, yet. Is it too late? #2. The cost - $859.00 - includes enough equipment for 8 hives, tools suit, extractor, un-capping knife, quite a bit of bottles and covers, frames and foundation, so much more, too much to list. Good deal, huh? #3. The seller has offered to let me keep them where they are. But I'd like to move them to our land. Can't move them till next month. Have to prepare the sight and put up a fence and maybe a small shed. Will that be a bad time to move them? Say, in late October? #4. I'm looking for someone local to observe some of the fall routine. Do you think they have already taken the honey and put in the mite protection? #5. Who can I call in Northern N.H.? Sorry to be such a question hog. I'm very excited and have already visited the hive. It looks great! Reading the books and watching the videos hasn't given me a clue as to the first thing to do with taking the 30 - 50 pounds of honey in the hive right now. Love reading the newsgroup. Hope to hear soon. THERESA Article 14259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Big Bee Barn Fire in Southern California Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:22:54 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3603bcd1.33786817@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.25 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.25 Lines: 11 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.55.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14259 9.18.98 A Bee Barn next to the fire house burned to the ground yesterday with a loss estmated at $1,000,000.00. The ground was saved but 50,000 supers were lost. For more details: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee keeping videos ? Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:56:19 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6u0njm$i9o@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca10-53.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 19 11:54:14 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14261 Hi , I was looking for some bee keeping videos ? The local library does not carry them. Does anyone here have any they want to rent , loan, or sell. I would prefer used. I am trying to stay away from buying $40.00 videos unless someone know of a really good one that would be well worth the money. Thanks David Article 14262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skep615@aol.com (SKEP615) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping videos ? Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1998 21:55:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6u0njm$i9o@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <19980919175558.28746.00001994@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14262 "ddavidd" wrote: > >Hi , I was looking for some bee keeping videos ? > You don't say whether it's beginner/basic beekeeping viedos you're looking for or something else. I've seen various videos in the catalogs but can vouch for none of them. I too am curious about their quality: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm's (1-800-233-7929/ sforrest@wilkes.net) 1998 catalog has videos of their own production ($24.95 each or 5 or more for $20.00 each) on the following topics: --Keeping Bees and Producing Honey (2 hr) --Colony Division & Requeening (1 hr+) --Queen & Pkg. Production (1 hr+) --Tracheal Mites --Varroa Mites --Finding & Treating Bee Diseases --Swarm Boxes --The Magic of Mead --Free Bees for You --Candlemaking for Everyone The Walter T Kelley Co, Inc. has: --The Honey Harvest ($20.95) -- video of Keith Delaplane's *Honeybees and Beekeeping* ($59.95) -- video of Eugene E. Killion's *Honey in the Comb* ($45.00) The Killion video is also available from Dadant ($39.95) Dadant also has a 58-minute video called *Introduction to Beekeeping* ($38.50) AI Root Co. has the following: --Beginning with Bees, 60 min ($29.95) --Introduction to Beekeeping, 118 min ($35.95) --Medications, 24 min ($25.95) --Package Bees, 27 min ($25.95) --Splits and Divides, 17 min ($25.95) --as well as a video on Candle Making ($33.50) and a handful of specialty videos aimed at non-beekeepers. I'm sure there are others. Perhaps people out there who have viewed these videos can comment on their quality and their usability in learning the art and expanding the repertoire. Reviews, anyone? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois (85 miles SE of St.Louis) send any e-mail to me at: YELKAO615 AT AOL.COM Article 14263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!ameritech.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!nntpgate.globalserve.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:36:47 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 24 Message-ID: <360261EF.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <35FFC4B0.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> <17FD396B5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14263 Aaron Morris wrote: > Personally I detest > Duragilt because the bees will NEVER rebuild comb over an exposed area > of the plastic midrib. I know, never say never, but I have NEVER seen bees > rebuild comb over an exposed area of the plastic midrib. I have read > claims that the bees will rebuild if you first "paint" the exposed plastic > with beeswax, but that's something I'd NEVER take the time to do! Again, > if you want to throw away pins and wire forever, start using plastic > foundation (Permadent, Rite Cell, Pierco, etc.). > > Aaron Morris - thinking NEVER stop thinking! I did have some "funky" comb drawn out this year. There were some bare areas, but I'll just replace those foundations next spring. Granted, with five hives, it isn't going to kill me time wise. The weird comb that was drawn (drawn from the top bar, with bees getting in between the new comb and the bare foundation, was packaged as cut comb! I had a couple of requests for cut comb, so it worked out ok. Oh, the freedoms of hobby bee keeping. Now where did I put that catalog with the plastic foundation? Randy -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 14264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kids suit Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:30:02 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35FE79EA.7D12@midwest.net> References: <6tlbkn$bgq@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905869970 .ZFUVYH4M05D D0EBC usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14264 ddavidd wrote: > > Hi I am looking for a kids bee suit for a 9 year old ? > > thought I would try here before I drop $85 for one ? > > David My 9yr old daughter uses an adult size Tyvec suit ($9). She pulls the suit up, gathers the excess under her arms and holds it there with a belt. The the excess hangs back down covering her mid section. This takes only few seconds to arrange and the final results work great! The suit also has a hood that increases the protection offered by the veil. Like you, I was reluctant to plunk down much money for a suit the kid was going to grow out of next year. With this method the suit will grow with her. AL Article 14265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "Peter Bak-Jensen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for plant book Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:37:41 +0200 Organization: Tele2 Internet Kunde Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6tm51e$s2l$1@dalen.get2net.dk> References: <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p301-143.ppp.get2net.dk X-Trace: dalen.get2net.dk 905877358 28757 195.82.208.143 (15 Sep 1998 16:35:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1998 16:35:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14265 Try the danish beekeeping www.biavl.dk Peter Bak-Jensen Denmark Al Welk skrev i meddelelsen <35FD6C79.62E01129@ibm.net>... >A few months ago someone posted a message about trying >to sell a book dealing with necter producing plants for >Honey bees. > >I am looking for the address of that book dealer or any >information on similar books, > >I am looking for information on plants / shrubs and >trees that I can plant in my year to encourage and help >honey bees. > >Hopefully someone has that address in a recycle bid >somewhere. > >Thanks Al Welk, Atlanta, GA Article 14266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.delphi.com!news From: D Boller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping videos ? Date: Sat, 19 Sep 98 21:59:23 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <6u0njm$i9o@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <19980919175558.28746.00001994@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.93.4.2 X-To: SKEP615 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14266 I have Brushy Mountain's "Keeping Bees and Producing Honey". I bought it with their beginner's kit. I found it very informative and useful. Although I also enjoy reading every bee publication I can get my hands on, watching people handling bees and smokers, and finding out exactly how to put equipment together is very valuable. Article 14267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Cherie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing Bees Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:56:28 +1000 Organization: The Zipsters Lines: 140 Message-ID: <6tlm1i$887$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> References: <6tb312$u87$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> <6tfb88$175$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.8.17.193 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-hh.maz.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14267 Dear Jack, Thankyou for your help! I am very glad to recieve any help at all, as I certianly didn't know the bees would keep coming back to the original comb. I must however clear some matters up that may allow you to provide any other suggestions. First of all I am quite sure they are bees. There is no doubt about it, as I clean them out of the house every morning! When I said the area was inaccessable, I mean INACCESSABLE! I am on the top story of a 2 story duplex, and there is a small cliff underneath the side of the house with the affected area. Any bug removal specialist I talk to wants to access the hive through the roof, from inside, which is also extremely difficult as there are no man-holes, and only a very small cavity between the outer roof and the inner one, which is further blocked by a large air-conditioning unit up there. Unfortunaly, being unable to reach the entrance without a huge and complicated scaffolding, I cannot try to attract the bees away from the comb. The removal squad I used originally, did block as many holes as possible in the roof during the last adventure, but unfortunatly there are simply too many entries to close them all. At one point they were entering the roof from a different side of the house, to reach the same hive within the roof. They are currently using the tiny gaps in the brick wall, around the external pipes, where they enter the roof. The most ideal remedy I could think of was putting something in the roof that wasn't poison but would cause the bees agrivation, or deter them in some way. Perhaps there is a common substance I could use? Perhaps not? Other than that, your suggestion to use a type of expanding foam is the only other solution that could be applied in practice, however I fear that the bees must be removed before this stage? Is it possible that the bees would continue building the hive, until it reached a weight that caused it to fall through the roof? Everyone I talk to wants to put poison in the roof, which I can't see as lasting any longer than my last attempt, when I need a long term solution. It seems I would have a slightly original and very difficult situation on my hands! But I greatly appreciate your help, and it's people like you who make newsgroups one of the best information pools on the internet! Thankyou again! Cherie. > "Cherie" wrote: >> G'Day, >> I live in Sydney Australia and have an ongoing bee problem I was >> hoping to get some help with. >> >> For the past 5 years we have had bees nesting in an inaccessable part of our >> roof. After being unable to find any other solutions to the problem, I had >> some sort of poison put in the roof. They dissapeared for a couple of years, >> but have returned every spring for the last 3 yrs. Every morning we find >> sick bees in the bedroom closest to the hive, but the bees continue to use >> the hive. I would greatly appriciate some ideas for removing the bees, >> preferably without poison. The hive is completely inaccessable, the only way >> to affect the bees is through the bathroom celing fan. We thought of blowing >> smoke through the fan, but this is messy and we would like other suggestions >> before we try. >> >> Thanyou! >> Cherie. > > >Cherie, > >I trust you already have come to recognize the folly of poisioning honeybees >in order to "get rid of them" in a "they are living in MY house" situation. >Ya see ya just made a longer term mess by doing so AND you are a LOT less >likely to be able to get a local beekeeper to help ya out of the bind now. >Additionally you need helpful pollinating insects just like all the rest of >us so why kill them off? > >This is based on you actualy having honeybees in the roof. If you actually >have some sort of wasp the removal problem would be different. IF they keep >coming back in good numbers EACH SPRING then they could indeed by honeybees. >Do you see incoming bees with pollen on their legs? Or do you see incoming >wasps carrying insect parts in their mandibles? > >What has happened is you did succeed in killing the original colony. But >more than likely you used a residual poison or at least a fat soluble one >which has been adsorbed by the beeswax. Since you did not remove ALL the >comb, ALL the propolis post haste after killing off the original colony you >in essence left a poisoned swarm trap in your home. Honeybees are VERY >inclined to move into a cavity where bees have resided before. So the >existing comb (likely preserved from wax moth destruction by the poison as >well) serves to lure in a home seeking swarm. The poison toxicity level has >decreased a bit over time (what did you use anyway?) and so the colony gets >sick and fails to thrive. > >It is too late now (post poison application) to do what likely could have >worked before - that being to put a screen cone (hole in end big enough for >one drone to squeeze out of - sticking out about 9-12 inches or so from >actual entrance) over the entryway and a hive outside within a couple feet of >the entry (yep it may require building a platform). The exiting workers get >out fine. The incoming workers can't figure out how to get in and move into >the nearby hive. It takes a good solid month or so. You MUST be certain the >screen cone don't get clogged up. THEN once no more bees are coming out of >the house you take down the screen and let the hive that used to live there >go back in and rob out the honey in the wall/ceiling/wherever. Generally it >is wise to start with a quite weak hive outside with a laying queen. They >claim sometimes the queen from inside will come out and enter the new hive - >I have yet to see that happen. And if you have really good puzzle solving >bees and one cone is a cinch for them to defeat you just put another cone >over the top of it. > >BUT ya still need to get out the old comb or it serves as a swarm lure. I >have known folks to take the easy/lazy way out of this and squirt that >expanding insulation foam into the entry (after removing the bees and honey >as per above description). Generally as long as the brood and the honey are >gone AND the entrys are absolutely ALL sealed bee tight shut then ya don't >get any new swarms moving in. > >IF/when you do get in there and remove the old comb and honey be certain to >recall you poisoned it. Discard it in a safe manner that does not get >yourself, other humans, or any other of God's creations poisoned. Article 14268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:20:43 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 41 Message-ID: <35FE85CB.A14C0BC2@midtown.net> References: <6s2eid$rlh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35FC1050.94F1A4CE@midtown.net> <6thlgq$alu$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905873754 38BMS018M6524CDA2C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14268 That must be SOME drill motor! I'll give 'em a call though,,,,thanks Keep 'em coming Mushroom wrote: > In article <35FC1050.94F1A4CE@midtown.net>, TiPnRiNg wrote: > > > > >I've been looking for the same info. I've got, (most likely), the same > >extractor and agree that it would not only be an arm saver, but I'm > >thinking it might also save me some broken foundation. (Sometimes I get a > >little over-zealous with the cranking.) If I get any info I'll definitely > >forward it on to you,,,will you do the same? Thanks,,,Jerry > > > >jbirt@link2000.net wrote: > > > >> Can anyone please advise me on changing my 2 frame Dadant extractor > >> to a more user friendly type, ie, affixing a motor to it. It seems that > >> I have seen plans somewhere for this but until I finished extracting my > >> 16 supers did I think I needed the motorized type. > >> > > > > If I may help... > > I am looking at an ad that a maker claims to manufacture an adapter to use a > power drill on most hand cranked extractors. > > Considering most homes have year round use for a drill and only seasonal use > for an extractor motor, you may wish to contact this firm. ACCORDING to the AD > Send make and model number of the extractor and send $30. Considering the > value of the Canadian Dollar to US, I'd call before sending a check. > > Murray Design and Repair > 4063 Holborn Rd. > Queensville, Ontario L0G 1R0 > > 905-473-5456 > > Good luck! Article 14269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA HONEY MARKET NEWS Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:30:41 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35ffc97e.38494387@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.132 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.132 Lines: 32 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.62.132 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14269 Interested in the price paid for bulk honey in the US last month? http://beenet.com/index1.tm Interest in the beekeeping plant condition in the US last month? http://beenet.com/index1.htm Want to join the Left Coast in dumping the Groper? Send him a message from: http://beenet.com Want to keep the Groper in office? Use your own dime...! Is it important to you to know what othersare saying about beekeepers? http://beenet.com/bnews.htm Just bored and have no place to go? Check out the "bees on the moon" until to see it you have not seen it all! http://beenet.com ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 05:33:17 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6u246j$ntf$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002inindip287.dialsprint.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-Posted-Path-Was: basement X-ELN-Date: Sat Sep 19 22:35:16 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14270 In article <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com>, vantage@vei.net wrote: > Now I don't reaaly know if this will help, but I was a Shaklee >distributor a few years back, and we had a product called >Basic-H, that did just about everything, and I know because >I tried doing many of the things it was supposed to do, although >the company itself would not back these things up, so self-testing >was a priority. This document the first problem. >But any way, thought maybe a mist spray of this stuff with water >in maybe a 1 to 6 mixture or better ( depending on your own short >test) might be the thing to drown these things out....dunno just a >suggestion from the crowd.... And your suggestion is appreciated! The problem is we are not permitted in the US to use ANY chemical on our hives that has not been approved by the USDA/FDA . What this means is that even if your product deos exactly what we all hope it does, unless that company pays big bucks to our government and puts it's head on the chopping block if the product doesn work...well, it isn't permitted. Ask Sandoz and the other big DRUG companies how it works. Article 14271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 09:28:28 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <17FD2853FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14271 In article <35fd56c9.0@reliant> "Bob" writes: > >I was wondering if I should use support pins or wire for my frames. Any >commenst appreciated. > Well, what kind of foundation are you using? If it's crimped wire or Duraguilt, support pins will suffice. Anything less and you should wire. Next time go with a plastic foundation and you can skip both wire and pins. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: kids suit Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:24:33 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6tlbkn$bgq@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca14-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 15 2:22:31 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14272 Hi I am looking for a kids bee suit for a 9 year old ? thought I would try here before I drop $85 for one ? David Article 14273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35fd56c9.0@reliant> <1998091422084200.SAA07806@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Support Pins? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:19:02 -0400 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.7 Message-ID: <35ffc949.0@reliant> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.51!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!reliant!12.4.231.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14273 Thanks to all. This really helps Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <1998091422084200.SAA07806@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >> was wondering if I should use support pins or wire for my frames. Any >>commenst appreciated. >> >> > >i use support pins and wired foundation, this seems to work very well, course >ya cant turn your extractor at warp 6 but it works very well >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laundry question Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:56:13 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 5 Message-ID: <360533AD.47C@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906310741 .ZFUVYH4M1CF D0EBC usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14274 Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this stuff or does everyone just ignore it? AL Article 14275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: 20 Sep 1998 18:08:10 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <01bde4c0$bf20e620$8365400c@micron> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14275 I think you meant to post this in sci.agriculture.snakeoil -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! vantage@vei.net wrote in article <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com>... > Hi, > > I am not a beekeeper and have no real interest in bees per se, > but just saw a TV story on the problems with this mite that is killing > bees across the country, up to 40% or more of bee colonies. > Now I don't reaaly know if this will help, but I was a Shaklee > distributor a few years back, and we had a product called > Basic-H, that did just about everything, and I know because > I tried doing many of the things it was supposed to do, although > the company itself would not back these things up, so self-testing > was a priority. > First, it is bio-degradeable in 24hrs or so, and it is made of all > natural ingredients, one of the most prevelant being a alfalfa > derivative. Otherwise the other ingredients are secret. > But the liquid makes water 300 times "wetter", and it > has surfactant properties. It kills any insect with a "oil" > based covering. I used it on my dog and always filled the tub > with the bodies of dead fleas. Because it drowned them !!! > It "will not harm" any insect with a wax coating, such as bees > and wasps etc....the "good guys". It cuts oil and grease, > makes a great agricultural spray for crops, etc, since it > breaks down minerals in the soil making them available > to insure high quality crops. Makes a great fire extinguisher, > takes pain out of bees stings, gets rid of poison ivy in 2 days, etc > etc, etc.....you guys might contact a local distributor about this > product, or the company itself....it is an awesome product that > made it on some of the space flights for washing , shaving, > brushing teeth, clean-up...on, and on.... > > But any way, thought maybe a mist spray of this stuff with water > in maybe a 1 to 6 mixture or better ( depending on your own short > test) might be the thing to drown these things out....dunno just a > suggestion from the crowd.... > > > > > > Article 14276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Sep 1998 18:18:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <360533AD.47C@midwest.net> Message-ID: <19980920141841.21469.00001899@ng148.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14276 >Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to >remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this >stuff or does everyone just ignore it? > >AL > put em in the freezer, after about 24 hrs it'll be brittle, beat em up against the wall outside of course, scrape off the rest Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bees Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:44:14 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6u3mgm$iu4$1@news.vic.com> References: <6tugof$fis$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14277 I went up there last night and poured gas on the log over where they came out of. I didn't burn it. Today I went back and saw about 4 still there. I turned the log over and could not find anymore. I sprayed the remaining 4 with Wasp Spray. These bees were about 3/4" long, 3/8" wide, black with a yellow band on the head and a larger band on the abdomen.. Extremely aggressive. When I bumped the log with the car they attacked the windows trying to get to me. Can anybody tell me what these were? They must live in the ground because I couldn't find any visible after the gas treatment, but when I bumped the log yesterday you could hear them buzzing. Thanks Larry Article 14278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980920194408.29021.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Re: Laundry question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:44:08 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14278 AL wrote: > >Before I screw up a perfectly good pair of goatskin gloves trying to >remove the buildup of propolis, is there a "best" way to remove this >stuff or does everyone just ignore it? > >AL Propolis is soluble in rubbing alcohol. Or, as others have pointed out, it can be frozen and/or scraped off. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:46:07 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <36055ade.20849934@news.earthlink.net> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> <6u246j$ntf$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust118.tnt13.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sun Sep 20 12:44:07 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14279 beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) wrote: > The problem is we are not permitted in the US to use ANY chemical on our >hives that has not been approved by the USDA/FDA . Not true. Unrestricted chemicals may be used in beehives without any approvals. For instance, treatments such as vegetable fat, mint oils and tobacco do not require any u.S. government approvals. -john John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:53:30 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3605795A.46B267B8@ix.netcom.com> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> <01bde4c0$bf20e620$8365400c@micron> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az20-03.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 20 2:57:52 PM PDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14280 > I think you meant to post this in sci.agriculture.snakeoil While I sympathize, sometimes very dumb ideas are often breakthroughs. Always a good idea to check things out before dubunking them. Many of the best inventions or discoveries were a result of a "dumb" idea. Modern science poo-poohed the idea of mouldy bread curing infected cuts (penicillin), 3M made a fortune on the sticky postits (a failed glue), and the Swiss lost their lead in watches because "there is no future in those electronic watches". IBM in the late 40's stated there "was a world market for about 5 cmputers", and in the 1970's DEC stated that "there would never be a need for a computer in every home". Of course the chief of Warner Bros established precedent when he stated "what for would the public ever want to hear the actos speak". Be open minded,it might just enable a breakthrough, or trigger another thought that might be a breakthrough. By the way, have you tried ground up snake venom as a cure for varoa? Simon :) Article 14281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Sep 1998 22:14:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980920194408.29021.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <19980920181416.11402.00002045@ng124.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14281 I just washed my 50/50 bee suit in lye water four heaping tablespoons of lye to a small load of wash water in the machine. All of the stickyness and buildup of propolis has been removed. This is how my mother used to wash my fathers overalls to remove the buildup of paint from his trade. The stains are still there as I do not use bleach at all but the fabic feels like the unstained portions to the touch. Be carefull with lye I get 12 oz cans of it in the supermarket for $2.25 a can. Article 14282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees stinging honey Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:57:14 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 1 Message-ID: <36043658.3770187@news.pavilion.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna3-17.dialup.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 906332606 430 194.242.139.145 (20 Sep 1998 23:03:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1998 23:03:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14282 Has anybody ever heard of this ? Any reason why they would do it ? Article 14283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3605A63E.25AB4BA9@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Texas Beekeeping Association-- Annual Meeting?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:05:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.58.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 906339859 151.164.58.178 (Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:04:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:04:19 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14283 It's about that time again, and I've been looking for info on where and when the annual meeting will be this year. I think I heard it is in tyler, but that doesn't tell me much. I left messages on a couple of answering machines, but nobody called back. Any help appreciated. Jim (jimowen@swbell.net) Article 14284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee questions Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Sep 1998 03:11:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3604878F.6899DA5E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <19980920231140.12205.00002666@ng137.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14284 From: International Artist Guild <> One of the best beginner beekeeping guides by Dr. Keith Delaplane http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1045-w.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:13:50 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3605bdea.13329659@news.jps.net> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> <6u246j$ntf$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.210 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.55.210 Lines: 53 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.55.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14285 On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 05:33:17 GMT, beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) wrote: >In article <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com>, vantage@vei.net wrote: >>distributor a few years back, and we had a product called >>Basic-H, that did just about everything, and I know because >>But any way, thought maybe a mist spray of this stuff with water >>in maybe a 1 to 6 mixture or better ( depending on your own short >>test) might be the thing to drown these things out....dunno just a >>suggestion from the crowd.... There is no way something as simple as this will work, but it sure would be nice if it did. I would hope someone gives it a try and report back. Because I or others have little faith that it will work is no reason not to try. > The problem is we are not permitted in the US to use ANY chemical on our >hives that has not been approved by the USDA/FDA . Soaps have been approved for killing honeybees without any permits so like all things if a failure of the treatment to kill bees happened to kill all the mites you could assume no regulatory problem other then the residue of soap if any. Farmers have these kind of failures all the time using regulated and restricted pesticides when they fail to kill the targeted pest and kill or damage honeybees or other non target insects without any problem from those who do the regulating so who's to worry about a bunch of bee mites.. In any case most of the world does not bow to this government who's leader is a self confessed pervert. They may still have rights to protect their property that we in the Republic of America have long ago surrendered, given away, or had taken away, so maybe they would like to try it. > Ask Sandoz and the other big DRUG companies how it works. That's a bigger dream then having Basic H work to kill the mites as if the Chemical company had this kind of knowledge there is no way they would publish the truth about it as their interest is taking their own cheap low cost farm chemicals with the cooperation and protection of the USDA regulators and selling them to bee keepers in expensive single shot applicators such as strips or some other plastic bag. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, Left Coast USA http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: International Artist Guild Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:28:58 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3605C7FA.3F52495D@mindspring.com> References: <35EB3BA9.403B@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcovr.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 21 Sep 1998 03:37:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14286 Kent Stienburg wrote: > Hi All, > > How long can Apistan be stored? And how should it be stored? > > Kent Stienburg > -- > Remove NOSPAM to reply. I don't have an answer for you, but some questions that if taken into consideration, may get you an answer. What is Apistan made of? What causes the ingredients to break down? How long are you thinking about storing it? Most things generally break down from exposure to light, air, moisture, heat and/or bugs/bacteria/whatever living things getting into it. If noone else really knows how to store it, I would ignorantly suggest vacuum sealing it and storing it in a cool dark place, this would at least eliminate the main causes of deterioration of the majority of things. You may also try calling the manufacturer if you don't get any better answers. Article 14287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bp@zbee_com@zbee.com (Bp@zbee.com) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Education and wax moth Message-ID: <906193843@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:30:43 GMT Lines: 153 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Trace: 19 Sep 1998 09:34:33 -0100, 194.112.43.78 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!newsread1.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!zbee.com!anonymous!bp@zbee_com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14287 The Editor of Kentishbee received the following two articles from Brian Palmer for publication and are reproduced here unedited. From Brian Palmer THE NEED FOR BEEKEEPING EDUCATION All beekeepers are teachers. Once we have been keeping bees for even a short time, we become a point of reference, to the public and to other beekeepers, and particularly to prospective beekeepers. Practically all beekeeping education is provided by amateurs. Formal education, e.g., attendance at courses, gives us the knowledge necessary to supplement and enhance our own experience. If we take and pass the examinations these qualifications provide a solid base from which we can, with confidence, instruct others. But always we need practical experience to back up our theoretical knowledge. For nearly two decades Hadlow College has provided courses covering BBKA Basic and Intermediate examination syllabi. A course for selected topics at Senior level has also been offered. During this time, beekeeping has, particularly during the past few years, suffered greatly from the depredations of Varroa, and large numbers of beekeepers have ceased to keep bees. This, coupled with increases in course fees, necessitated by financial difficulties in all branches of Further Education, has resulted in fewer students almost to the point of cessation of the education service. When I first began providing these courses, there were at least four other centres in the county where some formal teaching was provided. These courses have disappeared, and I hazard a guess that there are not enough prospective students at this time for their return. And yet, education must continue, if we are to improve beekeeping standards. Many of my ex-students went on to gain qualifications at all levels, and they now are carrying on the work at branch level and higher. These beekeepers are the backbone of our craft, but more are needed, not only for our local benefit, but also to service the national need. BBKA exists to promote beekeeping. To this end its vital task is to provide education and an examination system. Someone has to do this work, and Kent must play its part. So think a little about where you are in beekeeping and what you can do to repay the efforts that others have made to enlighten you. We are in this together. From Brian Palmer THE WAX MOTH PROBLEM Much has appeared in the bee press recently regarding the increased activity of the Greater Wax Moth, Galleria mellonella. My experiences of this pest and the methods I have adopted to control it, may be of interest. Until the mid-80's Greater Wax moth (GWM) did not appear in my apiaries. Lesser Wax Moth, Achroia grisella, was common but easily dealt with. Wax moths are useful in the wild, in that they destroy comb left by feral colonies that have died, thus eliminating pathogens which are harmful to bees. My first intimation that a problem existed was when a beekeeper informed me that GWM larvae were being imported for sale to fishermen. Following this, one spring a colony of mine died and I forgot to clear it up. When I got round to it I found the whole of the comb destroyed, and larvae had damaged hive parts to spin their cocoons. Adults were flying everywhere. This began my fight against the pest. I acquired a freezer. Every year boxes of combs destined for storage were first frozen for at least a day, prior to storage. Temperatures below freezing will kill all stages from egg to adult. My next problem came when I failed to inspect stored combs regularly during the summer months. Attempts at killing the moth with acetic acid in summer resulted in more moths! One adult can lay 300-600 eggs! In recent years larvae have been found regularly during the season burrowing through sealed brood comb in the hive. Tapping the frame with the hive tool causes the moth larvae to poke their heads out. On one occasion I released a dozen larvae by this method. When released they must be killed, or they will crawl back into the hive. One of the contributory factors is the use of varroa screens. Underneath these screens larvae can live on debris and then spin their cocoons without interference by the bees. In warm climates, GWM causes absconding, and destruction of live colonies is not unknown. This pest has the potential to cause as much of a problem as varroa! And like all pests and diseases, my indifference to it will cause problems for my neighbour. CONTROL I work with two colleagues, and together we manage around thirty colonies. We have developed the following procedures together. We have not irradicated it but we are winning! 1. Boxes of combs due for storage are frozen at -18 deg. C. for at least a day. (Chest freezer can be purchased cheaply, secondhand.) 2. All boxes wrapped in poly-bags for storage. 3. September and October. Storage shed is checked for adults roosting. These are killed. 4. During every colony inspection, brood combs are tapped with the hive tool to release larvae, which are then killed. The tell-tale sign is the white "wool" replacing cappings across adjacent cells. 5. Floors are inspected and cleaned two or three times a season. All stages to adult can be found. 6. Stored comb is checked occasionally during summer months. Freezing at -18 deg.C. for 5 hours will kill all stages. The purchase and storage of a freezer could be a combined effort. Secondhand you could find one for no more than œ20. That's what beekeeping associations should be about. Freezing the boxes and other hive parts catches the odd cocoon as well. Paradichlorobenzine (PDB) does not kill eggs. Therefore two applications are needed. PDB is also expensive and is yet another chemical. Dustbin liners will do for storage. (Stops re-invasion). In the past, spells of freezing weather in winter have accounted for most of the moths. Boxes of combs stored in the open, with screens top and bottom, inhibit occupation by adults. They don't like the light. But make sure there are none in there beforehand! It is now OCTOBER. This is the ideal time to begin your fight against the moth. E-mail: bp@zbee.com --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 14288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: vantage@vei.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: To Kill Varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 05:25:36 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.118.5.10 X-Trace: 906268725 OVRP8I.PI05A D176C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14288 Hi, I am not a beekeeper and have no real interest in bees per se, but just saw a TV story on the problems with this mite that is killing bees across the country, up to 40% or more of bee colonies. Now I don't reaaly know if this will help, but I was a Shaklee distributor a few years back, and we had a product called Basic-H, that did just about everything, and I know because I tried doing many of the things it was supposed to do, although the company itself would not back these things up, so self-testing was a priority. First, it is bio-degradeable in 24hrs or so, and it is made of all natural ingredients, one of the most prevelant being a alfalfa derivative. Otherwise the other ingredients are secret. But the liquid makes water 300 times "wetter", and it has surfactant properties. It kills any insect with a "oil" based covering. I used it on my dog and always filled the tub with the bodies of dead fleas. Because it drowned them !!! It "will not harm" any insect with a wax coating, such as bees and wasps etc....the "good guys". It cuts oil and grease, makes a great agricultural spray for crops, etc, since it breaks down minerals in the soil making them available to insure high quality crops. Makes a great fire extinguisher, takes pain out of bees stings, gets rid of poison ivy in 2 days, etc etc, etc.....you guys might contact a local distributor about this product, or the company itself....it is an awesome product that made it on some of the space flights for washing , shaving, brushing teeth, clean-up...on, and on.... But any way, thought maybe a mist spray of this stuff with water in maybe a 1 to 6 mixture or better ( depending on your own short test) might be the thing to drown these things out....dunno just a suggestion from the crowd.... Article 14289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: International Artist Guild Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee questions Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:41:52 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3604878F.6899DA5E@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kb6ha.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 20 Sep 1998 04:49:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14289 Hi! I am interested in keeping bees and know absolutely nothing about it. Anyone know of any good starter info? In the meantime I will be reading the posts on the forum. If this info is already on the board, please excuse me. Thanks! Article 14290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.139.5!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:16:10 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6u273i$213$1@news.vic.com> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14290 Not to be a spoil sport, but if its so good why hasn't anybody heard of it? It there a conspiracy at work here? How can ingredients be a secret today, truth in labeling laws should prevail? Larry vantage@vei.net wrote in message <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com>... >Hi, > > Now I don't reaaly know if this will help, but I was a Shaklee >distributor a few years back, and we had a product called >Basic-H, that did just about everything, and I know because >I tried doing many of the things it was supposed to do, although >the company itself would not back these things up, so self-testing >was a priority. Article 14291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!delos!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!usenet From: Seyed Afshin Mansouri Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen producing training Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:16:40 +0100 Organization: Department of Manufacturing Engineering Message-ID: <36063597.CA488A6@lboro.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-enmfc5.lut.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14291 Hi everybody! Does anybody know any training course in the UK for queen producing? Afshin Article 14292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jean Felix" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French Question Date: 21 Sep 1998 07:06:21 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bde4a5$811648e0$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: lori4-110.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14292 Hi ,I'm french and i read on a newspaper that we have about 11 kg of honney by beehive in my region. Does anyone tell me some reference of his production? Thanks, Jean Felix. Article 14293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Conical escape boards Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:01:36 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bde578$3adf7080$8765400c@micron> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.135 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14293 Anyone have any experience with these? These are the boards that have 10 little bee-sized traffic cones in them for one-way escape. I just made 2 and put them on and after 2 days the bees don't seem to be going down through the cones. The again, it has been around 55F at night. With just 2 hives I can wait them out. In the past I have had good results with the Porter-type escapes but thought I would try something different. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 14294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:40:41 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 18 Message-ID: <36068F99.27489684@midtown.net> References: <6s75vv$h8g$0@208.18.95.51> <35FC0E48.E6D9CD61@midtown.net> <17FD28346S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906399620 38BMS018M65C CDA2C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14294 Thanks, I've seen that one and was hoping that maybe we could be exposed to some other ideas Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <35FC0E48.E6D9CD61@midtown.net> > TiPnRiNg writes: > > > > >If you can/would, I'll bet there are lot's of people, (besides me), that > >would like to see the plans and/or details of the obs. hive. So if ya > >would..... Thanks Jerry > > Surf to: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/obsrhive.pdf > (Requires Acrobat Reader) > > Aaron Morris - I think, and sometimes I observe! Article 14295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble bees Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:42:41 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <360584E1.42D8@indy.net> References: <6tugof$fis$1@news.vic.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-87-114.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14295 Larry Williard wrote: (Summary) get rid of Bumble Bee's I asked my wife who worked at the extension office for 10 years. Her reply was Sevin Dust. At night use a flashlight with a peice of red celphane over it so you can see. Sprinkle the Sevin Dust jover the entrace whole or take a dixie cup make a front porch so they have to walk in the Sevin if the whole is not on the ground. Tobi Mary's Husband. Article 14296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <19980921184050.28085.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.75.196.2] From: "Richard Davis" Subject: Re: Conical escape boards Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:40:49 PDT Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14296 "George Styer" wrote: > >Anyone have any experience with these? These are the boards that have 10 >little bee-sized traffic cones in them for one-way escape. I just made 2 >and put them on and after 2 days the bees don't seem to be going down >through the cones. The again, it has been around 55F at night. > >With just 2 hives I can wait them out. In the past I have had good results >with the Porter-type escapes but thought I would try something different. I have used conical escapes with good success. I've found that often, if the bees don't want to leave the super, it's because there's some brood up there. In such cases they're very reluctant to leave and need to be brushed off -- or you can wait on harvesting honey until they hatch out, your choice. Sometimes though, the bees are able to deposit enough propolis on these escapes to make them sticky enough so that they can both enter and exit through them. If that happens, they may never completely exit the super. Always make sure to wipe off any propolis on the surface of the escape using isopropyl alcohol before you install them. It also helps if you install an empty super underneath the escape board to give the bees in the brood nest more room to receive the population from up top. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Article 14297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.191.82.231!rockie.attcanada.net!attcanada!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Conical escape boards Date: 22 Sep 1998 01:27:04 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6u6ud8$1bg@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bde578$3adf7080$8765400c@micron> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.11.156 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14297 George Styer wrote in message <01bde578$3adf7080$8765400c@micron>... >Anyone have any experience with these? These are the boards that have 10 >little bee-sized traffic cones in them for one-way escape. I just made 2 >and put them on and after 2 days the bees don't seem to be going down >through the cones. The again, it has been around 55F at night. > >With just 2 hives I can wait them out. In the past I have had good results >with the Porter-type escapes but thought I would try something different. >-- Where in the country are you? I have used the conical escape boards in fairly warm weather (80-90) with some success, but in cooler weather (70s) they seem less anxious to migrate downward. I also used a portable compressor with a air nozzle to blow the supers free of bees, but I think I'll use a conventional fume board this fall as my experience with that technique is that it is more effective, and less time consuming in the long run/ Curtis Article 14298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.210.64.20!newsfeed.maine.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info Date: 22 Sep 1998 00:05:41 GMT Organization: Road Runner Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bde4fd$fdebf4c0$0c57d2cc@ericahls.maine.rr.com> References: <3603C9C9.274C@together.net> Reply-To: "rick" NNTP-Posting-Host: dt033n0c.maine.rr.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14298 You don't say wether the supers are still on or that honey is in the brood chambers. I'm pulling my supers next weekend. I put in my escapes and strips at the same time.I'm in Cape Elizabeth, ME.The big mess happens next weekend. Estimated 110 lbs per hive. Moving a heavy colonie is quite a chore. You might want to wait till spring. Article 14299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail From: Willie T Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Conical escape boards Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:03:28 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: <36078400.4505@mildura.net.au> References: <01bde578$3adf7080$8765400c@micron> NNTP-Posting-Host: mda85.vic.ozland.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 906462361 1322 203.20.149.135 (22 Sep 1998 11:06:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:06:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) To: George Styer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14299 I have had basic experience with escape boards and although we don't usually use them, they do seem to work better with warm days and cold nights (not that we can choose this) and they won't work at all if brood is present in the top super which sounds like it might be the case. George Styer wrote: > > Anyone have any experience with these? These are the boards that have 10 > little bee-sized traffic cones in them for one-way escape. I just made 2 > and put them on and after 2 days the bees don't seem to be going down > through the cones. The again, it has been around 55F at night. > > With just 2 hives I can wait them out. In the past I have had good results > with the Porter-type escapes but thought I would try something different. > -- > Geo > Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! -- _________________________________________________________ _______ _________ PLEASE DO NOT VISIT MY PAGE!! http://users.mildura.net.au/users/timbow YOU WILL MOST LIKELY REGRET IT!! _______ _________ _________________________________________________________ Article 14300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail From: Willie T Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Construction Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:58:31 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 30 Message-ID: <360782D7.57E1@mildura.net.au> References: <6tse99$fvb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mda85.vic.ozland.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 906462064 1322 203.20.149.135 (22 Sep 1998 11:01:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:01:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) To: Beeginer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14300 Alternatively to a router you can use a saw bench with a wobble blade that makes a wide cut (about an inch) or multiple cuts with a regular blade and then chisselled out. This gives a dished effect.... The router is probably easier and cleats are a pain in the butt!! (Please note my personal opinion on the subject and willingness to accept that some people like them :) ) Beeginer wrote: > > I'm thinking of making some hive bodies and was wondering what the easiest > way of making the grip cuts is??? > > I would appreciate any input. > > Thank you -- _________________________________________________________ _______ _________ PLEASE DO NOT VISIT MY PAGE!! http://users.mildura.net.au/users/timbow YOU WILL MOST LIKELY REGRET IT!! _______ _________ _________________________________________________________ Article 14301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!not-for-mail From: Willie T Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee questions Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:05:30 +1000 Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3607847A.1B3@mildura.net.au> References: <3604878F.6899DA5E@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mda85.vic.ozland.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.mel.aone.net.au 906462486 1322 203.20.149.135 (22 Sep 1998 11:08:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 1998 11:08:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) To: International Artist Guild Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14301 International Artist Guild wrote: > > Hi! I am interested in keeping bees and know absolutely nothing about > it. Anyone know of any good starter info? In the meantime I will be > reading the posts on the forum. If this info is already on the board, > please excuse me. Thanks! A good place to start would be local beekeeping associations or departments of agriculture who can give the best local knowledge and requirements. Or find some local beekeepers.... Have fun.... I do. -- _________________________________________________________ _______ _________ PLEASE DO NOT VISIT MY PAGE!! http://users.mildura.net.au/users/timbow YOU WILL MOST LIKELY REGRET IT!! _______ _________ _________________________________________________________ Article 14302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail From: "VITICULTURE" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,es.ciencia.enologia,rec.crafts.winemaking,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,tin.confagricoltura.it Subject: VITICULTURE- SYMPOSIUM INTERNATIONAL Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:58:00 +0200 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6u89qp$mh3$1@fe1.cs.interbusiness.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.103.192.176 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8523 alt.agriculture.misc:10534 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22112 rec.crafts.winemaking:31556 sci.agriculture:29276 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14302 sci.agriculture.fruit:2263 sci.agriculture.poultry:6482 sci.agriculture.ratites:1364 SIMPOSIO INTERNAZIONALE L'AVVENTURA DEL VINO NEL BACINO DEL MEDITERRANEO Itinerari storici ed archeologici prima e dopo Roma Conegliano (TV) 30 Settembre - 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2 Ottobre 1998 www.inea.it/isv/isv.html SYMPOSIUM INTERNATIONAL L'AVENTURE DU VIN DANS LE BASSIN MEDITERRANEEN Itinéraires historiques et archéologiques avant et après Rome Conegliano (TV) 30 Septembre - 2 Octobre 1998 www.inea.it/isv/isv.html Article 14304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail From: "VITICULTURE" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,es.ciencia.enologia,rec.crafts.winemaking,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,tin.confagricoltura.it Subject: VITICULTURE- SYMPOSIUM INTERNATIONAL Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:58:00 +0200 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6u89v9$mon$1@fe1.cs.interbusiness.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.103.192.176 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8525 alt.agriculture.misc:10536 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22114 rec.crafts.winemaking:31563 sci.agriculture:29280 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14304 sci.agriculture.fruit:2265 sci.agriculture.poultry:6485 sci.agriculture.ratites:1366 SIMPOSIO INTERNAZIONALE L'AVVENTURA DEL VINO NEL BACINO DEL MEDITERRANEO Itinerari storici ed archeologici prima e dopo Roma Conegliano (TV) 30 Settembre - 2 Ottobre 1998 www.inea.it/isv/isv.html SYMPOSIUM INTERNATIONAL L'AVENTURE DU VIN DANS LE BASSIN MEDITERRANEEN Itinéraires historiques et archéologiques avant et après Rome Conegliano (TV) 30 Septembre - 2 Octobre 1998 www.inea.it/isv/isv.html Article 14305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mqh@aol.com (Mqh) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Differences in conformation of the active site of alkaline phosphatase in Varroa jacobsoni oudemans and Apis mellifera. Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Sep 1998 17:30:17 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <19980922133017.10309.00000157@ng16.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14305 Varroa jacobsoni oudemans is proving to be a significant problem to apiculturists world-wide but how much is known of the physiology of this mite? My question relates particularly to the biochemistry of both the mite and the bee. Specifically I would like to know what are the respective differences between the active site of the enzyme alkaline phosphatase in both Varroa jacobsoni and Apis mellifera respectively, including chemical/biochemical composition, conformation. Can anyone provide me with information or a reference, which will answer this question? My email is mark@lovesgrove.co.uk Thanks Mark Harries. Article 14306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Kevin Reed Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hive Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:46:02 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3607F069.6B1C39B3@counsel.com> References: <6s75vv$h8g$0@208.18.95.51> <35FC0E48.E6D9CD61@midtown.net> Reply-To: kreed000@counsel.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pool029-max2.ds19-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en X-ELN-Date: Tue Sep 22 11:43:11 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14306 Yes, please. . . TiPnRiNg wrote: > If you can/would, I'll bet there are lot's of people, (besides me), that > would like to see the plans and/or details of the obs. hive. So if ya > would..... Thanks Jerry > > W & E Bowles wrote: > > > I now have my observation hive in full operation. It is, by far, the > > most interesting thing I've ever encountered. I suggest that anyone > > really interested in the activity of there bees should make one. > > > > With this hive you see everything from within inches, the bees don't > > seem to mind us peering at them day and night. We watch the queen lay, > > the development of the new bees and what the rest of the hive is doing. > > I had the pleasure of seeing the drones being expelled, a queen cell > > being constructed and the new queen emerge. I especially love watching > > the new bees coming out and doing there little dance to get their > > circulation going ( I assume). > > > > Thanks to all who contributed there ideas and plans so that I could do > > this. Special thanks to Morris Booton for physically helping me and > > allowing me to use his shop and equiptment. I have it sitting next to > > my other best hobby. (the computer) > > > > In Him, > > > > Elizabeth > Article 14307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee hive removal From: kdempsey@direct.ca (Kevin) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 20 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:40:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.60.172 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:40:52 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14307 Hoping someone here can offer a suggestion to resovle my bee hive problem. I've got a bee hive in the ceiling of my house and would like to evict them before they do anymore damage. They're about to break through the ceiling and into the house, a prospect I'm not too thrilled about. I'd really prefer not to hire an exterminator to kill them but if I can't find a way to convince them to leave soon I'm affraid I'll have to. Being a sound technician, I'm wondering if bees are sensitive to a certain frequency of sound and if prolonged exposure would convince the queen to move on. This is something that would be easy for me to set up. Are there any other ways I can get rid of the bees without exposing myself to them and without exposing the bees to deadly pesticides? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Kevin Article 14308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee hive removal Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:17:09 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6u944s$c1m@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn1-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 22 4:17:16 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14308 >I've got a bee hive in the ceiling of my house and would like to evict them >before they do anymore damage. They're about to break through the ceiling and >into the house, a prospect I'm not too thrilled about. What kind of bees? And where are you located. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 14309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 11:43:38 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <17FD8A4EBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3603C9C9.274C@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14309 In article <3603C9C9.274C@together.net> Theresa writes: > >Question #1. Here it is September 19, no apistan yet. Is it too late? No, it's not too late, nor will it be too late to take the strips out 6 to 8 weeks from now, regardless of snow. Please don't use snow as an excuse to leave the strips in until spring! >#2. $859.00 - includes ... too much to list. Good deal, huh? GREAT! DEAL! If you don't go for it, tell them to drop ME a line! >#3. The seller has offered to let me keep them where they are. Hopefully the hives have set in plenty of winter stores. You may want to consider leavine the hives where they are for the winter and movin' 'em next spring when they'll be CONSIDERABLY lighter and easier to move. However, October is an acceptable time to move hives (if you're willing to do the heavy heftin') and you're moving them far enough from their current location (3 miles is a good rulr of thumb). >#4. I'm looking for someone local to observe some of the fall routine. Can't help you there, try Herb's web page at: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ >#5. Who can I call in Northern N.H.? Again, check Herb's page and good luck! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 14310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Differences in conformation of the active site of alkaline phosphatase in Varroa jacobsoni oudemans and Apis Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Sep 1998 23:51:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980922133017.10309.00000157@ng16.aol.com> Message-ID: <19980922195150.03040.00000315@ng31.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14310 sounds like someone is fixin to brew up a bug if anyone could answer that it'd be Dr. Ambrose at North Carolina State University the problem is getting him on the phone and when you do..., his arrogance and nose stuck up ness will wanna make ya barf Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee keeping videos ? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:25:27 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 9 Message-ID: <36083FF6.71296319@mediaone.net> References: <6u0njm$i9o@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: ddavidd Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14311 David, If it's a beginner video you're looking for, one of the best beginner honey bee videos I've seen is called "Why Honey Bees" and it was produced by Maryann Tomasko Frasier at PSU (Penn State University). I don't know whether her video is being sold by any of the beekeeping supply catalogs, but you can contact her at PSU e-mail address mxt15@psu.edu. to ask where her video can be purchased. Kathy Article 14312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Jen & Kyle Phillips" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:42:46 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6ubq92$46e$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.201.38.104 X-Trace: 906587234 SWMFUXRLT2668CCC9C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14312 Hi All, I live in Western Washington, near the Olympic Peninsula. Yesterday, one of my hives swarmed (not a large one, a couple hundred bees) and it caught me completely off guard. Has anyone else had swarms this late in the year, this far north? Kyle Article 14313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees gathering wax Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:00:04 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <36096F64.231F@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip169.raleigh8.nc.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 15:01:36 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14313 I put a couple of supers that had been extracted out for the bees to clean up the other day. They did a great job. They left bits of wax on the box and after I took them away I noticed the gals were loading their pollen baskets full of the wax and flying away. I have noticed bees moving wax from foundation during a nectur derth but never have I seen or heard of them gathering it. Am looking for a response to explain what is taking place here. Thanks Don in NC Article 14314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: spamdeault@georad.com (Nicolas Deault) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Georadaar Service Internet inc - Natural Resource Network Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:30:02 GMT Organization: GeoRadaar Services Internet inc Lines: 216 Message-ID: <360973cf.31796345@news.math.cinvestav.mx> Reply-To: spamdeault@georad.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tony.georad.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14314 English Message will follow........ NOTE : Les adresses e-mail ont un "spam" pour éviter que les "bots" ne ramasse vraiment notre adresse e-mail et ne remplisse notre courrier. Pour avoir notre vrai adresse, vous n'avez qu'a enlever cette partie. 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Phone : (819) 762-2288 Fax : (819) 762-2289 E-mail : spamgeorad@georad.com Company's web site : http://www.georad.ca Natural Resource Network : http://www.georad.com Article 14315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.4!news3.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Grampus Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Pictures? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:47:24 -0400 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3609969C.2969FEC7@infoave.net> Reply-To: GrampusNOSPAM@Iinfoave.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-131.r07.garmhl.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 906598069 7089 207.144.100.131 (24 Sep 1998 00:47:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:47:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14315 I'm looking for pictures of honey drops, the "classic" honey drop, to add to a label for my homebrew called Honey Creame Corn Ale. I would greatly appreciate e-mail giving me web sites from which I can "lift" such pictures for non-commercial use. TIA Paul Gennrich Specific Impulse Brewing, GA grampus@infoave.net Remove NOSPAM to reply Article 14316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extractor advice Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:51:27 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3609B3AF.B58A69B9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-114.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14316 greetings, all. with the season winding down and fall in the air, it looks like i've got a decent amount of honey to extract from my two hives. so, i went and ordered extraction/processing equipment. i'm getting that 9 frame hand-cranked, radial extractor that i'm sure everyone has seen in the bushy mountain catalog. any advice on setting up and using this particular piece of equipment, or extraction equipment in general, would be greatly appreciated. if it wasn't for the help and advice i've received from this group for the past 2 years, i wouldn't have any honey to extract, so my thanks to you all. the exchange of information that routinely goes on here epitomizes what the net is all about. :)) bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:32:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980924070840.03039.00001143@ng31.aol.com> Message-ID: <19980924083255.11695.00000955@ng15.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14317 I have the same one and it works beautifully. My only suggestion is - Bolt it down! Once that baby gets up to speed and she starts in a hopping around - you'll understand what they mean by "Get giggie with it" A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something Article 14318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "ddavidd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: when can I add the next super Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:28:25 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6ue6cp$s47@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mhl-ca14-48.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 24 2:26:17 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14318 Hi, I have a hive I bought . It looks to be fairly full and was wondering should I add the next super or should I wait. the hive is in a deep super brood chamber now. all ten frames are drawn and pretty full of honey ect. the last time I opened he hive they were working on the top of the frames building new comb. can I add the second super now or should I just wait until after winter ? David Article 14319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!chenness From: chenness@sfu.ca (Craig Adam Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Other insects around my hive? Date: 23 Sep 1998 17:42:17 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ubbtp$gj1$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.sfu.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14319 Hi, I was wondering if the following insects are benificial.. Spiders next to the hive and in the top cover.. They eat bees but also would eat any moths or other pests? Earwigs under the top cover.. Got me? Wasp type bugs pulling away dead bees.. Do they eat them - is this any help for the bees? Thanks for any information. Craig. Article 14321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!chronicle.adobe.com!enquirer.corp.adobe.com!kittiwake.sea.adobe.com!dmitchel From: David Mitchell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill Varroa? Date: 24 Sep 1998 21:38:28 GMT Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6uee4k$led@enquirer.corp.adobe.com> References: <6u237l$c90$1@supernews.com> <6u273i$213$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kittiwake.sea.adobe.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970202] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14321 Larry Williard wrote: > Not to be a spoil sport, but if its [Shaklee Basic H] so good why hasn't > anybody heard of it? > It there a conspiracy at work here? How can ingredients be a secret today, > truth in labeling laws should prevail? > Larry Not to be a real spoil sport, but Basic H is a surfactant (soap or detergent) and it will kill varroa by killing their hosts. Standard way to kill Africanized bees is to mix up a batch of soapy water and spraying it on them. -- David Mitchell Fair-traded, Shade-grown, Certified Organic Coffee at http://www.bosia.org Article 14322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!not-for-mail From: vheinen@ohio.net (Vernon Heinen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:04:22 GMT Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)-380-INET Lines: 17 Message-ID: <360aeb2f.5652862@news> References: <3609B3AF.B58A69B9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vern.ohio.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14322 On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:51:27 -0400, Bill Greenrose wrote: >greetings, all. >. i'm getting that 9 frame >hand-cranked, radial extractor that i'm sure everyone has seen in the >bushy mountain catalog. any advice on setting up and using this >particular piece of equipment, or extraction equipment in general, would >be greatly appreciated. Does anyone have any comments on the quality of this extractor? I've also seen it in their catalog, and it almost seems like it's too good to be true. It's a lot cheaper than any radial extractor offered by anyone else. If the quality is good I'm thinking of getting one too. Thanks for any comments. Article 14323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:12:15 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 30 Message-ID: <360AFBFF.2FB9@midwest.net> References: <3609B3AF.B58A69B9@valley.net> <360aeb2f.5652862@news> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906689729 .ZFUVYH4M1C10D0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14323 Vernon Heinen wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:51:27 -0400, Bill Greenrose > wrote: > > >greetings, all. > >. i'm getting that 9 frame > >hand-cranked, radial extractor that i'm sure everyone has seen in the > >bushy mountain catalog. any advice on setting up and using this > >particular piece of equipment, or extraction equipment in general, would > >be greatly appreciated. > > Does anyone have any comments on the quality of this extractor? I've > also seen it in their catalog, and it almost seems like it's too good > to be true. It's a lot cheaper than any radial extractor offered by > anyone else. If the quality is good I'm thinking of getting one too. > > Thanks for any comments. Add me to that inquiry - I've checked out their web site and can hardly believe the price. AL Article 14324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!200.255.253.242!newsfeed.embratel.net.br!not-for-mail From: cronos@centroin.com.br (Cronos) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: when can I add the next super Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:34:21 GMT Organization: CIP Lines: 11 Message-ID: <360b46ed.3567240@news.centroin.com.br> References: <6ue6cp$s47@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.225.63.218 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Cache-Post-Path: triceratops.centroin.com.br!unknown@du134c.rjo.centroin.com.br X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14324 >It looks to be fairly full and was wondering should I add the next super or >should I wait. the hive is in a deep super brood chamber now. all ten frames >are drawn and pretty full of honey ect. the last time I opened he hive they >were working on the top of the frames building new comb. can I add the >second super now or should I just wait until after winter ? > >David > Don't wait another minute, do it now!!! Article 14325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Sep 1998 11:54:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19980925075409.21366.00001443@ng139.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14325 I have the four frame model Brushy sells. Compact Deluxe In 2 years over 2 tons of honey have been extracted from it with no trouble. Were I to make changes I would add two large handles to lift the tank and two more buckles to hold the tank to the extractor. 9 frames at a time? might be the next thing to do as help seems a little scarcer with each harvest Article 14326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Sep 1998 11:56:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk> Message-ID: <19980925075622.21366.00001444@ng139.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14326 Bees and horses did not mix for me resulting in a move these bees now order for the landowner. Without some kind of dense hedge between bees and horses I would not even consider it again. Article 14327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Sep 1998 11:08:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3609B3AF.B58A69B9@valley.net> Message-ID: <19980924070840.03039.00001143@ng31.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14327 >i'm getting that 9 frame >hand-cranked, radial extractor that oh you goober... and you with just 2 hives, yep thats the most beautimus extractor i've seen but cant take the 350.00 even with 12 hives...YET that is...green, green,green with envy i use the other one they sell, and i guess just any advice will help ya build up to high speed very slowly, use smooth crankin, no sudden stops. course since you're buyin the radial all you'll have to do is put em in one time...no turning them around in the basket....ARGHHHHH course you realize the frames have to go in the right way...ya know with the tops out, so that the comb cells will be pointin the right way w ell guess thats bout it enjoy your awesome toy.....you dog you Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gathering wax Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:26:21 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <360bb58b.36632482@news.jps.net> References: <36096F64.231F@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.14 Lines: 18 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14328 On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:00:04 -0400, workerbee wrote: >I put a couple of supers that had been extracted out for the bees to >clean up the other day. They did a great job. They left bits of wax on >the box and after I took them away I noticed the gals were loading their >pollen baskets full of the wax and flying away. I have noticed bees >moving wax from foundation during a nectur derth but never have I seen >or heard of them gathering it. >Am looking for a response to explain what is taking place here. Bees use this to seal up the hive much the same as bee glue. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 14332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: "hanna" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:58:32 -0400 Organization: Home Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6uhs84$qli$1@news2.tor.accglobal.net> References: <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk> <6ugpnp$kpq24@kirk.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-137.m2-6.ham.ican.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14332 I have had both horses & bees in the same fields for years with no problems. The horses even graze around the hives. Never seen a horses get stung, and the horses aren't shy of the bees, if you know anything about horses you'll know that they live the motto "once bitten, twice shy". That being said however there was lots of room in the fields (3 horses in about 20 acres) However I have noticed that the bees are less gentle when I am working with them if I smell like a Horse. For a while I kept my bee suit in the stables, and couldn't figure out why my bees where always in a bad mood. After I washed the bee suit in a non-scented laundry soap everything returned to normal. Everyone seems to have different experiences, others may have had problems keeping both horses & bees but here 3 horses have had no problems with the 30+ hives. We've had problems with horses & dogs and with bees & dogs. But that's because my dog has to help me do everything. Don Ruary Rudd <@tinet.ie> wrote in message <6ugpnp$kpq24@kirk.tinet.ie>... > >Trevor Sharples wrote in message <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk>... >>I am proposing to overwinter nine hives in a field margin of a field where >>horses are kept. The field margin is about 5 metres wide so the bee hives >>may be 2 - 3 away from the horses. >> >>Has any one found any problems with having bees so close to horses? >> >>tjs@aber.ac.uk >> >Horses are supposed to sensitive to bee stings. > >Ruary Rudd >rrudd@tinet.ie > > Article 14333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-b.ais.net!ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!uunet!in5.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!aber!not-for-mail From: "Trevor Sharples" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Horses Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:36:04 +0100 Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pceaba.wir.aber.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14333 I am proposing to overwinter nine hives in a field margin of a field where horses are kept. The field margin is about 5 metres wide so the bee hives may be 2 - 3 away from the horses. Has any one found any problems with having bees so close to horses? tjs@aber.ac.uk Article 14334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP-looking for video 'The Mysterious Honeybee' Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:26:07 +0100 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 906802025 nnrp-08:28587 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14334 Hi, I am trying to locate an Australian VHS video called 'The Mysterious Honey Bee' by someone '????? Simon' I don't believe it is available here in the UK, if any one knows different or if an Australian beekeeper is willing to help me I would be very grateful. Thanks for any efforts Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ ! /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ Article 14335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Beekeeping Association-- Annual Meeting?? Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:04:20 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 12 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6uila5$pd1@library.airnews.net> References: <3605A63E.25AB4BA9@swbell.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Sep 26 07:05:26 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OEh+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14335 TBA Convention for 1998: November 5 - 7 Sheraton Hotel in Tyler (their number: 903-561-5800) -- Busy Knight Dallas, Texas Article 14336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:27:37 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <360BA859.68E2@midwest.net> References: <3609B3AF.B58A69B9@valley.net> <360aeb2f.5652862@news> <360AFBFF.2FB9@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.72 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906733829 .ZFUVYH4MC 48D0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14336 Owen Watson wrote: > > In article <360AFBFF.2FB9@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: > > > > > > > Add me to that inquiry - I've checked out their web site and can hardly > > believe the price. > > The url?????? http://www.beeequipment.com/shop/product.asp Article 14337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!iaxs.net!news.minn.net!news.ispn.net!not-for-mail From: Family Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Compressed Grass Hive box and other ideas Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:22:17 -0700 Organization: Internet Services Provider Network Lines: 33 Message-ID: <360D3EE8.D1C2A82C@ndak.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: srt-179.dialup.ndak.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.ispn.net 906830495 18195 206.30.27.193 (26 Sep 1998 17:21:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.ispn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1998 17:21:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14337 Years ago when I was a Peace Corps volunteer in E. Africa. I ran accross a Hungarian beekeeper. He showed me a book that illustrated hive boxes made from grass. To make a long story short I found this an ideal construction material in S. Sudan which enabled me to make removable (top bar only) frame hives, since I didn't have extraction equipement. Since returning to the US almost 17 years ago I played around with this idea and even went as far as showing boxes at a North Dakota assocation meeting...just to get some feed back. That was maybe 10 years ago. I never advanced the method because it would take some kind of mechanized system to work here in the US. Overseas the hand contruction method fit right in. Here in the US I evolved a design using hand operated hydralic jacks. I got as far as conceiving of disposable hives, although the hives hold up just fine season to season. The best material I found to use here in the US was flax straw. The straw hive offers better insulation for both cold and hot climates. Which brings me to what I want to explore with this discussion group....climate control. Has anyone I wonder here or else where heard or read anything about climate control for overwintering beehives...other than moving the hives to barns or heated facilities? When I was overseas I played around with solar ovens using reflecting mirrors that sat atop a box. They heated up to 300 - 400 degrees. What if similar reflecting mirrors were mounted to top of a beehive...so that when conditions dropped below say 0 F° they would kick in and maintain atleast during day light hours some degree of heat input to the hives. craig Article 14338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nyd.news.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <360D38EF.6B63@umich.edu> From: David Cappaert Reply-To: cappaert@umich.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Mystery bees References: <19980913002651.12506.qmail@hotmail.com> <35fd378d.38775289@news.dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:56:29 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.75.186.127 X-Trace: news.itd.umich.edu 906836124 207.75.186.127 (Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:55:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:55:24 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14338 sci.bio.entomology:53 sci.bio.entomology.misc:7710 > >Anybody want to hazard a guess as to the kind of bee? Bonus points for > >scientific name, if you know it. > > > >http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_bee/bees1.jpg These appear to be Bombus impatiens, a common bumblebee in the eastern US. All bumblebees are semi-social. They live in colonies that expire at the end of the summer, when they produce a crop of queens and males. After mating, the queens overwinter underground, and the survivors found new colonies in the spring. The honey of bumblebees is fine, but quantities are tiny as the bees do not accumulate and store it--there is only a few days supply at any given time. --David Cappaert, Ann Arbor MI Article 14339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!owen From: owen@nospam.paradise.net.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:31:40 +1200 Organization: Paradise Net Customer Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3609B3AF.B58A69B9@valley.net> <360aeb2f.5652862@news> <360AFBFF.2FB9@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: estelle.paradise.net.nz X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Cache-Post-Path: cherie.paradise.net.nz!unknown@d133.turbo.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3b4 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14339 In article <360AFBFF.2FB9@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: > > > Add me to that inquiry - I've checked out their web site and can hardly > believe the price. The url?????? Article 14340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting wild honey without extractor Date: 26 Sep 1998 23:56:45 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6ujuvt$1p7@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh2-port155.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14340 What is the best way to extract about 75 lbs of honey from a wild bee hive I removed? I don't have extracting equipment Are there any concerns with wild bee honey for consumption? Norm npatt@snet.net Article 14341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extractor advice Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:45:23 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 22 Message-ID: <360DA6C3.64C3@midwest.net> References: <360AFBFF.2FB9@midwest.net> <19980925204629.19411.00001252@ng83.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906864508 .ZFUVYH4M1CC D0EBC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14341 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > that 9 frame > >> >hand-cranked, radial extractor that i'm sure everyone has seen in the > >> >bushy mountain catalog > > Well guys, i've been there done that, its awesome, heavy gague stanless steel, > bolt down to the floor legs, built like a tank. Even comes with a cage that > holds 9 1/8 in frames to extract tangially. all for 350 bucks > > no joke if i had the bucks it'd be mine !!!!!!! > oh yeah cranks like a dream too. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Funny you should mention this. After the newsgroup discussion regarding this gadget I called Brushy Mtn yesterday - they said thay had a couple in stock, now they have one less. By sometime next week I'll know if your rave review holds up. AL Article 14342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen mystery Date: 27 Sep 1998 02:57:21 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bde9c1$a1f83480$9d65400c@micron> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.157 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14342 Last weekend I posted an inquiry regarding bees not moving down through escape board. A couple of responses indicated that they will not leave if there is brood present. Since this hive has had a queen excluder on it since late spring, I thought no way, and figured it was because of the weather or sunspots. Today, one week later I had to blow the bees out. As I am stacking the supers after blowing them out I see this queen walking around the top bars. So now I look at the frames of this particular deep which had been 100% sealed honey and 2 of them have had some honey removed and now have a good brood pattern. So, I had a laying unmarked queen above the queen excluder. I verified that my marked queen was indeed below the excluder. So how does a mated queen end up above the excluder? I have no explanation since the QX was in place long ago and on earlier examinations of the supers, there was no evidence of any brood and the frames were full of sealed honey. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 14343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting wild honey without extractor Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1998 03:30:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6ujuvt$1p7@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19980926233002.29917.00001316@ng55.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14343 Hi Norm, Go to a paint store and purchase a 5 gallon paint strainer bag. Mash up the comb in the bag and let it hang over a pail or large pan. Where in CT are you I might be interested in buying the wax from you if you want to get rid of it. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Milford CT Article 14344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!hyperion.triode.net.au!not-for-mail From: fredg@triode.net.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I want to buy package bees Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:17:37 GMT Organization: Triode Internet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6ukois$oto$1@hyperion.triode.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-9.triode.net.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14344 Gooday, all my beehives have died off. I want to buy package bees. Please give me a quote. I am on 0416 349 487 Article 14345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.news.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen observation Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:45:20 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <360E3360.514E0C2E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip249.raleigh7.nc.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sun Sep 27 05:46:58 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14345 I started an observation hive with two deep frames a few weeks ago. The bottom one had the nicest uncapped queen cell I have ever seen. The worker bees destroyed it immediately and I had to give them a store bought queen. She started laying immediately when she was released and filled up all available space in the lower level in about two days. The bees were buisly pulling the foundation in the top and converting sugar water to honey. In the meantime the queen would try to lay in old cells that were deformed or unusable. When that happened, she would drop the egg on the wax and it would be eaten by the worker bees. Several days ago, I noticed a queen cup emerge. We took the hive to a demonstration Fri and Sat and during the two days the queen cell was completed and capped. When I arrived home with it yesterday the cells that hatched out over the past few days had honey in them and the queen could not lay in them. The queen cell was on the bottom bar (swarm cell). I never saw a drone cell laid in the three cycles and had a beautiful brood pattern. The bottom frame is old and may bee pollen and honey bound. Last night I tore up the queen cell becase it is too late for a swarm or to get a prprerly mated queen, I suspect. Last night I also saw the queen drop an egg on the wax. and they have not made room for her to lay yet. Comments and observations are solicited. Don in NC Costal Plain Beekeepers Association Article 14346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in an oil drum Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1998 13:12:04 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <19980927091204.20360.00002674@ng87.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14346 I have an interesting problem....... A swarm of bees has flown into a Pheasant feeder. The feeder is home made from an old oil drum on legs. The oil drum is upright, with the just a single 8 inch hole in both ends of the drum. There is a cone (feeder bit) welded onto the bottom hole. The oil drum has a loose plywood cover say 30 inch square. The bees fly from a small bend on the lip of the drum. I have taken off the ply cover and all I can see is an 8 inch hole in the end of the drum - filled with comb & bees! If I try and cut the comb out I will probably loose most of the comb to the bottom of the drum along with the queen. I think it's a bit late in the year to try much now ..... Maybe I'll just put a brood chamber on top of the drum and feed them in situ ready to do something with them next year. Any ideas ????? Nick Article 14347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen observation Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:28:34 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <360e3889.90433356@news.earthlink.net> References: <360E3360.514E0C2E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust246.tnt12.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sun Sep 27 06:27:43 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14347 workerbee wrote: >I started an observation hive with two deep frames a few weeks ago..... The bees in your hive are probably overcrowded and stressed. The queen may be trying to do her normal egg-laying but simply doesn't have the space. Honey bee colonies need several cubic feet of space for their normal management of brood cycles and food storage - far more than is available in a two frame hive. It is also hard for bees to keep the correct brood temperature in a two frame hive organized in single width. If conditions are good, a permanent colony limited to only two frames will also regularly throw off swarms, have a mass of bees hanging out of the entrance. All this negative writing aside, you are probably witnessing the interesting behavior of bees trying to manage in their environment. The feeding stimulates brood production and possibly swarm cells, or the bees sense the need to change queens through supersedure. Fascinating to see, I imagine. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Shaun" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:52:42 +0100 Message-ID: <906891314.18141.0.nnrp-09.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> References: <6uaj8d$4vh$1@dyfi.aber.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 906891314 nnrp-09:18141 NO-IDENT sahart.demon.co.uk:194.222.11.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14348 I live in Surrey, England, and have just started keeping bees in April this year. My two hives are sited about 30 metres to the side of a horse sand training area. They have some natural screening from three established apple trees but I have also put up a two metre high screen made of green plastic greenhouse shading (doesn't look too bad), supported on bamboo canes. I keep checking with the horsey people and am glad to say that there haven't been any problems. Reigate Beekeepers also keep bees alongside a field of horses, again they have a high screen which takes the bees up over the horses. Article 14349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in an oil drum Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1998 17:35:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980927091204.20360.00002674@ng87.aol.com> Message-ID: <19980927133528.25195.00002749@ng117.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14349 Been told queen won't lay in cells at an angle too far off what it is supposed to be. So when you add a box of combs for them to move in keep the box leval but tilt the barrel they are in first. This is what the old guy who moved bees from logs to langstroths told me. Tom in CT Article 14350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: beetim@budget.net (takeyourpick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: tims corner_random bits Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:54:22 GMT Organization: none Lines: 100 Message-ID: <360f97b9.67178878@enews.newsguy.com> Reply-To: none NNTP-Posting-Host: p-701.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14350 Taking a morning from a new experience of selling jars and buckets from the back of the truck this week to ramble a bit from oregon, USA...... Jars$1.5/#+jar buckets$1/#+bucket for a mild flavored light yellow that will crystalize very fine before the end of the year. While it does move some pounds, the waiting is harder work than pulling and extracting! Would like to get a moisture and color gauge some century..... Since couldn't decide on if or which or how many labels, am printing own on ink jet using Avery 2" * 4" ten to a sheet. Not exactly waterproof ink but i pass out a card with a jar also. Bit of a pain (with my choice of MS word art for the honey) as it seems to take forever to get it to the printer. Maby 4sheets/hour. (something for winter tinkering) I like my simple labels look on the jar and in the sun. :) They all want to know what kind it is. I often use the term mutt as in mixed breed followed with a rambling of the timing and several floral sources! Then offer samples. No one has been dissatisfied in the least with flavor. A little irritating the common expectation to have a named floral source but not a hinderance to personal sales of good honey! Sitting outside with the sun behind the jars does add to color as opposed to a dark store shelf also.... I suspect most comments towords ones honey are highly favorable, but it's neat to have that 89 year old lady that just bought a jar to come creaking across a busy street just to tell me its the best tasting she's ever had and a loooong time honey eater..... I couldn't find in the abc-xyz the ideal temp for decrystalizing without harming. Have a 4 bucket or 75 quart jar, restaurant type food warmer with good temp control. Am considering putting most of this years in jars as they would heat and cool quicker than 4 gal. buckets perhaps? (If there is any left to crystalize that is) As to 20 buckets left over from last year that are solid crystallized it would be a several hour heating thing....but what is the minimum temps to avoid darkening/destroying. Is there a web site on this somewhere? Should one charge same for year old honey....?? 2 year old...?? Seems no question that many of my customers note the fact (and almost demand) that it is this summers crop.....(so far). One lady well along in adding to her own swarm wanted to know if there were any problems with using raw honey during her pregnancy and subsequent breast feeding. She knows not to give directly to infants under a year old. I couldn't answer definitively and she is checking back next week to see if there be any known problems during breast feeding..... A few are stocking up for the millennium....one didn't even use honey but decided 2 gallons was worthy insurance against the y2k glitch......Ok by me.......! :) Also my bucket source noticed extra sales due to the nonsense being promoted everywhere by the doom and gloom groups.. 75 stands more or less. Generally 10frame- 1deep+1-western in 2 locations. No pollination moving other than for a small local vegatible grower which is but a trade for a place to set some boxes. Recovering slowly from excessive FB due to inadequate treatments and manipulations along with pulling too much of their winter stores perhaps. Of course leaving me with about 19 buckets(4 gal.) of honey that may' be contaminated with antibiotics due to timing with those weaker colonies. Saving for spring feed on nukes or such:( Mite strips has well controlled the varoa and canola oil on paper towles is used once a year over the brood nest. Bee mix twice a year and no more forgetfull partial or late of need treatments for some time to come..... Spring activity was late by a month or so and the bees (even though it is a mild no snow winter here) were still small clusters during the stone fruit bud break. Mostly the major flow is during blackberry and ends there leaving only sustaining sweet clover along the river and some starthissell twords the end of summer and some wild flowers. Pollen is no problem for em to find most anytime. Not really a good volume honey area but a half dozen stands filled a 6foot stack(probably thieves) while most heathy stands do a couple of western supers by blackberry end....just enough to support my bee addiction:) In general a moderately good year. Sit just off the valley floor (SE exposed)1 mi form the river with mostly apples in between and 3 mi to town center with a small dairy and various pasturage between here and town. Madrone/oak woods on the hills behind. Bees on the other side of town with much less suitable area do just as well(almost) as they don't get the often spray kill from the orchard and have a bit more of a late bloom from starthissell and the various city plantings. Its really sad to see the field bees heavily covering the ground dying for about 3 days now and again each year at the home location but after realizing they consistantly still do better here, i have stopped rushing to move em at such times. (Just grit yer teeth and don't look)..... Considering having a look at the personal foundation rollers advertised in the recent ABJ to use my cappings wax in replacing many old and moth destroyed combs(Tom Industries of CAlifornia-sept ABJ page 664) ). Any opinions/links on making ones own foundation? Plastic doesent yet capture my imagination or $.... tim Article 14351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <360EB2A0.D0FA3E5C@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits References: <360f97b9.67178878@enews.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 115 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:48:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.58.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 906932837 151.164.58.143 (Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:47:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:47:17 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14351 Seems I read somewhere about using an old discarded refrigerator to de-crystalize honey. You put a 100 watt (I think) lightbulb inside and your buckets/jars of honey. The bulb has just enough heat to raise the inside temp to 100-120 degrees, and after a couple of days the crystals are gone (I didn't try it but it sounds right). I've used a similar method by just leaving the jars in my sealed vehicle here in the Texas sun. Never measured it, but its well above 120 this summer. Jim takeyourpick wrote: > Taking a morning from a new experience of selling jars and buckets from > the back of the truck this week to ramble a bit from oregon, USA...... > > Jars$1.5/#+jar buckets$1/#+bucket for a mild flavored light yellow > that will crystalize very fine before the end of the year. While it does > move some pounds, the waiting is harder work than pulling and > extracting! > Would like to get a moisture and color gauge some century..... > > Since couldn't decide on if or which or how many labels, am printing > own on ink jet using Avery 2" * 4" ten to a sheet. Not exactly > waterproof ink but i pass out a card with a jar also. Bit of a pain > (with my choice of MS word art for the honey) as it seems to take > forever to get it to the printer. Maby 4sheets/hour. (something for > winter tinkering) I like my simple labels look on the jar and in the > sun. :) > > They all want to know what kind it is. I often use the term mutt as in > mixed breed followed with a rambling of the timing and several floral > sources! Then offer samples. No one has been dissatisfied in the least > with flavor. A little irritating the common expectation to have a > named floral source but not a hinderance to personal sales of good > honey! > Sitting outside with the sun behind the jars does add to color as > opposed to a dark store shelf also.... > I suspect most comments towords ones honey are highly favorable, but > it's neat to have that 89 year old lady that just bought a jar to come > creaking across a busy street just to tell me its the best tasting she's > ever had and a loooong time honey eater..... > > I couldn't find in the abc-xyz the ideal temp for decrystalizing > without harming. Have a 4 bucket or 75 quart jar, restaurant type food > warmer with good temp control. Am considering putting most of this years > in jars as they would heat and cool quicker than 4 gal. buckets perhaps? > (If there is any left to crystalize that is) > As to 20 buckets left over from last year that are solid crystallized > it would be a several hour heating thing....but what is the minimum > temps to avoid darkening/destroying. Is there a web site on this > somewhere? > Should one charge same for year old honey....?? 2 year old...?? > Seems no question that many of my customers note the fact (and almost > demand) that it is this summers crop.....(so far). > > One lady well along in adding to her own swarm wanted to know if there > were any problems with using raw honey during her pregnancy and > subsequent breast feeding. She knows not to give directly to infants > under a year old. I couldn't answer definitively and she is checking > back next week to see if there be any known problems during breast > feeding..... > > A few are stocking up for the millennium....one didn't even use honey > but decided 2 gallons was worthy insurance against the y2k > glitch......Ok by me.......! :) Also my bucket source noticed extra > sales due to the nonsense being promoted everywhere by the doom and > gloom groups.. > > 75 stands more or less. Generally 10frame- 1deep+1-western in 2 > locations. No pollination moving other than for a small local vegatible > grower which is but a trade for a place to set some boxes. Recovering > slowly from excessive FB due to inadequate treatments and manipulations > along with pulling too much of their winter stores perhaps. > Of course leaving me with about 19 buckets(4 gal.) of honey that may' be > contaminated with antibiotics due to timing with those weaker colonies. > Saving for spring feed on nukes or such:( > Mite strips has well controlled the varoa and canola oil on paper > towles is used once a year over the brood nest. Bee mix twice a year and > > no more forgetfull partial or late of need treatments for some time to > come..... > Spring activity was late by a month or so and the bees (even though it > is a mild no snow winter here) were still small clusters during the > stone fruit bud break. > Mostly the major flow is during blackberry and ends there leaving > only sustaining sweet clover along the river and some starthissell > twords the end of summer and some wild flowers. Pollen is no problem for > em to find most anytime. Not really a good volume honey area but a half > dozen stands filled a 6foot stack(probably thieves) while most heathy > stands do a couple of western supers by blackberry end....just enough > to support my bee addiction:) In general a moderately good year. > > Sit just off the valley floor (SE exposed)1 mi form the river with > mostly apples in between and 3 mi to town center with a small dairy and > various pasturage between here and town. Madrone/oak woods on the hills > behind. > Bees on the other side of town with much less suitable area do just as > well(almost) as they don't get the often spray kill from the orchard and > have a bit more of a late bloom from starthissell and the various city > plantings. > Its really sad to see the field bees heavily covering the ground > dying for about 3 days now and again each year at the home location but > after realizing they consistantly still do better here, i have stopped > rushing to move em at such times. (Just grit yer teeth and don't > look)..... > > Considering having a look at the personal foundation rollers advertised > in the recent ABJ to use my cappings wax in replacing many old and moth > destroyed combs(Tom Industries of CAlifornia-sept ABJ page 664) ). Any > opinions/links on making ones own foundation? Plastic doesent yet > capture my imagination or $.... tim Article 14352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting wild honey without extractor Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:20:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6ujuvt$1p7@news1.snet.net> Message-ID: <19980927182034.03770.00002227@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14352 From: npatt@snet.net <> I'd use a cheap collander over a plastic pail. Crush the comb and leave this in a warm area. <> My biggest concern would be whether the homeowner that got you to take it out had already sprayed the bees. Many times people have sprayed the bees, then call a beekeeper when that didn't kill them. I have had people lie through their teeth, that they didn't spray, but it was obvious that they had. Otherwise wild honey should be okay. If it is old, it may be dark and strong. Was the wax light and new, or was it badly travel stained? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Samples Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:24:51 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust50.tnt14.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Sun Sep 27 15:22:48 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14353 What is a good way to provide honey samples to the public at a honey or beekeeping exhibit? Are a saltless Saltine cracker good (pouring from a squeeze bear), or is there another good way to let visitors sample honey at a public fair? The honey stix are too expensive and can become a waste problem, so I am looking for a simple honey sampling alternative. Thanks, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits Lines: 82 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1998 22:43:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <360f97b9.67178878@enews.newsguy.com> Message-ID: <19980927184312.03770.00002236@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14354 From: beetim@budget.net (takeyourpick) <> Pretty cheap honey. How much do you value your work? It also makes it tough for us for whom it is our livelihood, to have those with an outside job to support their beekeeping to sell below their true cost. << They all want to know what kind it is. I often use the term mutt as in mixed breed followed with a rambling of the timing and several floral sources! Then offer samples. No one has been dissatisfied in the least with flavor. A little irritating the common expectation to have a named floral source but not a hinderance to personal sales of good honey!>> I can't imagine why it should be irritating. You have a more sophisticated consumer than usual. I'd find it more irritating to see blank looks and requests for "just plain honey." Wanna trade some customers? I like those who appreciate the extra effort it takes to keep varieties separate. << I couldn't find in the abc-xyz the ideal temp for decrystalizing without harming. Have a 4 bucket or 75 quart jar, restaurant type food warmer with good temp control. Am considering putting most of this years in jars as they would heat and cool quicker than 4 gal. buckets perhaps? (If there is any left to crystalize that is) As to 20 buckets left over from last year that are solid crystallized it would be a several hour heating thing....but what is the minimum temps to avoid darkening/destroying. We decrystalize pails and cases of jars at 110 F in a bread warmer. It takes 18 - 24 hours but does not damage the flavor. << One lady well along in adding to her own swarm wanted to know if there were any problems with using raw honey during her pregnancy and subsequent breast feeding. She knows not to give directly to infants under a year old. I couldn't answer definitively and she is checking back next week to see if there be any known problems during breast feeding.....>> I can't imagine any problem. Once an infant is on solid food, his digestive system is acid enough to prevent bot spores from growing. Adults do not have this problem at all. << Sit just off the valley floor (SE exposed)1 mi form the river with mostly apples in between and 3 mi to town center with a small dairy and various pasturage between here and town. Madrone/oak woods on the hills behind. Bees on the other side of town with much less suitable area do just as well(almost) as they don't get the often spray kill from the orchard and have a bit more of a late bloom from starthissell and the various city plantings. Its really sad to see the field bees heavily covering the ground dying for about 3 days now and again each year at the home location but after realizing they consistantly still do better here, i have stopped rushing to move em at such times. (Just grit yer teeth and don't look).....>> If you are getting spray kill, the apple grower is spraying illegally (in violation of label directions. Most likely he has clover in the orchard floor and needs to get rid of it, either by a close mowing just before spraying or by herbicide use. You need to let him know what the law requires. Get copies of the labels for the insecticides that are used in the orchards, circle the bee protection directions and hand them to him. If that doesn't help, get a violation on videotape and get him cited. Your problem will stop. We had bees that sat alongside an orchard I managed and we did not have spray damage. A good applicator that will carefully obey the label instructions will not damage the bees. All others are perpetrating a crime against the beekeepers, and it come back onto themselves, for they need the beekeepers. If you ignore the problem, or run away, it won't stop. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 14355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.210.64.20!newsfeed.maine.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples Date: 28 Sep 1998 01:50:25 GMT Organization: Road Runner Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bdea82$1d4d5fa0$0c57d2cc@ericahls.maine.rr.com> References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "rick" NNTP-Posting-Host: dt033n0c.maine.rr.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14355 I've used small biscuits sliced in half for samples at elementary school demos. It soaks the honey up nicely and minimizes the mess. We made the biscuits ourselves, however a bakery might be able to produce what you need if you don't want to bother. Article 14356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!ameritech.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ameritech.net!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy L. Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Honey Samples Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:10:55 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.18.25.212 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 906948558 209.18.25.212 (Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:09:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:09:18 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14356 You need to be careful with this so as not to get in trouble with the health department. John Caldeira wrote in message <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net>... > >What is a good way to provide honey samples to the public at a honey >or beekeeping exhibit? Are a saltless Saltine cracker good (pouring >from a squeeze bear), or is there another good way to let visitors >sample honey at a public fair? > >The honey stix are too expensive and can become a waste problem, so I >am looking for a simple honey sampling alternative. > >Thanks, >John > > >John Caldeira >Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net >http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extractor advice - follow-up Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:01:27 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 60 Message-ID: <360EEDF7.BF23F354@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-215.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14357 greetings, all. just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the excellent advice in both the posts and the emails regarding my new 9 frame radial extractor from brushy mountain. lots of great tips. thought i'd pass on some info regarding my positive experience with brushy mountain, too. i ordered the extractor and a mess of other equipment on tuesday, and it arrived on friday by ups ground. that means they had to pack and ship everything the same day of the order. that's service. and, the woman, who took my order, gave me advice on equipment that saved me money, which makes me feel that i can ask questions and buy with confidence from them down the road. the extractor itself is on sale for only $305 through the end of september [one of the advantages of a strong dollar], if anyone is interested. it is a very nice unit. assembly was a breeze, and it feels solid. instructions are in italin, but brushy mountain provides a set in english. it comes with a pair of clear, hinged lids, which are not mentioned in the ad copy, and which were a pleasant surprise. [i was planning on rigging up something on my own, figuring that the lack of covers was to be expected for the low price of the unit.] will probably take my first crack at extracting next weekend. did some dry runs this weekend, and the extractor was very easy to crank and maintain at speed. the rotor turns 3 revolutions to every hand crank cycle, so it was easy to maintain a 250 rpm rate [although, i don't know how long it takes to extract honey from frames, so it MIGHT not be a breeze after several minutes.] it did not jump or skip around, although that might change with 9 frames of slightly different weights on board. but, it can be bolted to the floor. this year i am extracting in my garage, so i will have to deal with whatever motion that does occur. but, next spring i'm building a shed/workshop, and my plans already include room for all the extracting and bottling equipment. the only problem, if you want to call it that, is that the honey gate seems to fit best [most snug] upside down with the drip spout pointing up. it might be a function of the large, round gasket the italian manufacturer provides and my reluctance to really bear down in tightening the gate. i will call them tomorrow and find out. [brushy mountain provides an 800 number for 'tech support', which is nice.] anyway, that's it for now. it was 81 degrees today in central new hampshire, which is kind of bizarre, especially since we had frost wednesday morning. [hey, that makes it indian summer!] but, the bees are loving it. don't know where they're finding nectar and pollen outside of some straggler aster and goldenrod, but they're still bringing it in. which is fine by me. again, thanks to everyone! bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 14358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: International Artist Guild Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks! (no text) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:58:25 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <360EFB51.CBFC1A4A@mindspring.com> References: <3604878F.6899DA5E@mindspring.com> <3607847A.1B3@mildura.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kb6l9.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 Sep 1998 03:07:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14358 Article 14359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Microwaving of honey Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:16:46 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 14 Message-ID: <360F9A4E.4639@midwest.net> References: <6unfn3$k7v$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.12.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 906992379 .ZFUVYH4MC 5AD0EBC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14359 Terence wrote: > > Just checking if anyone has experience microwaving honey. Got some that had > harden, will microwave to liquefy the honey damage it or decolorised the > honey? > Thanks and cheers. Go slow - use the lowest setting possible and stir or shake often to distribute the heat. AL Article 14360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Terence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Microwaving of honey Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:51:01 +0800 Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6unfn3$k7v$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: qtas0748.singnet.com.sg X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!uunet!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.attap.net!mango.singnet.com.sg!dahlia.singnet.com.sg!mawar.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14360 Just checking if anyone has experience microwaving honey. Got some that had harden, will microwave to liquefy the honey damage it or decolorised the honey? Thanks and cheers. Article 14361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:01:31 +0100 Message-ID: <9enagIALPsD2Ewfk@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <360f97b9.67178878@enews.newsguy.com> <360EB2A0.D0FA3E5C@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 907004165 nnrp-11:29191 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14361 In article <360EB2A0.D0FA3E5C@swbell.net>, Jim Owen writes >Seems I read somewhere about using an old discarded refrigerator to >de-crystalize honey. You put a 100 watt (I think) lightbulb inside and your >buckets/jars of honey. 60 or 75 watts is ample in a 4cu.ft. fridge. Wire a light dimmer switch into the power supply line. Using a thermometer the temperature can soon be regulated reasonably accurately. It will also double as a wax melter by turning the regulator up a bit. (I put about 2" of water in the bucket of wax to be melted.) Once the position of the switch is found to achieve the required temperature, mark the setting with a pencil (or something more permanent like a nail point) to save experimenting each time it is used. -- Tom S Article 14362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: beetim@budget.net (takeyourpick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:45:18 GMT Organization: none Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3613bd08.7349227@enews.newsguy.com> References: <360f97b9.67178878@enews.newsguy.com> <360EB2A0.D0FA3E5C@swbell.net> Reply-To: none NNTP-Posting-Host: p-772.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14362 On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:48:17 -0500, Jim Owen wrote: >de-crystalize honey. You put a 100 watt (I think) lightbulb inside and your >Jim Hi Jim, I suspect the fridge thing would work well but have a temp controlld warming unit bought 25.$US at a restraunt auction that works great on honey buckets or even melting buckets of wax scraps. Still use solar for wax if its hot enough. While i tried the solar box for decrystalizing once its range of temps goes from not enough to way too much. I used the vehicle heat a few times in the past for the occasional jar. tim Article 14363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: beetim@budget.net (takeyourpick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:44:49 GMT Organization: none Lines: 80 Message-ID: <3612bcf0.7325483@enews.newsguy.com> References: <360f97b9.67178878@enews.newsguy.com> <19980927184312.03770.00002236@ng-fd2.aol.com> Reply-To: none NNTP-Posting-Host: p-771.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14363 On 27 Sep 1998 22:43:12 GMT, pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) wrote: > >From: beetim@budget.net (takeyourpick) > ><that will crystalize very fine before the end of the year.>> > > Pretty cheap honey. How much do you value your work? It also makes it >tough for us for whom it is our livelihood, to have those with an outside job >to support their beekeeping to sell below their true cost. Pollinator; Sorry i don't see the problem here. Sure i would like 8$+ for my quarts but am in line with the local' comercial people on the jars. Am in line with the averages reported in the sept ABJ with room to lower the bulk price and only maby, charge a bit more on the quarts next year. When the same area honey is in the commercial outlets for within a few cents(both up and down), as a new entry it seems this is where i need be just now. I will grant that the price perception by the buyers is perhaps 80% low, 19% could care less, 1%high(??).....sugesting some room to play with the numbers if the highest retail prices hold in the future. I do not grant the livelihood arguement any status whatsoever. You could suggest what values you think are reasonable from an "experienced" point of view...... >with flavor. A little irritating the common expectation to have a >named floral source but not a hinderance to personal sales of good > I can't imagine why it should be irritating. You have a more sophisticated >consumer than usual. I'd find it more irritating to see blank looks and >requests for "just plain honey." > Wanna trade some customers? I like those who appreciate the extra effort >it takes to keep varieties separate. $ Perhaps i am jealous of those that have large monocroped and non overlapping bloom and those with the skill{and some with bull:)} to be able to specify.....and afraid to be moving my bees about the country? Actually the customers are great. Pardon ANY other suggestion. Blank stares and knowing souls both be equally sought after! ><< I couldn't find in the abc-xyz the ideal temp for decrystalizing > We decrystalize pails and cases of jars at 110 F in a bread warmer. It >takes 18 - 24 hours but does not damage the flavor. Thanks. I would think the jars would de crystalize and cool much quicker than buckets. But would that be enough to be beneficial to color, or of no concern? ><< One lady well along in adding to her own swarm wanted to know if there > I can't imagine any problem. Once an infant is on solid food, his digestive Thanks. ><< Its really sad to see the field bees heavily covering the ground > If you are getting spray kill, the apple grower is spraying illegally (in >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Some clover which is usually mowed and a creek immediately below us running thru and the length of the orchard. They spray quite often and usually at night running only into a bit of the cool mornings. This is the only kill this year. All the hives have recovered and seem reasonable 3weeks later. (a young high density trellised orchard and it seems they are spraying less each year...) In the past noteing a kill, i checked the insectide(forgot what it was) it was near the top of nasty to bees. I notified them and while being nice and all, they just said they spray right over their bees(polination units) all the time with no problem.....Documentation by video would be no problem in the future. Its likely i did that in the past but never considered using the video a documentation resource or that i would need to. Ok.... will at least let em know the timing and effect of the last spraying on the bees for now which was something i gave up doing due to a percieved' lack of interest on their part. tim Still interested in how the industry views the monitary value of 1 and 2 year old honey and handles its marketing........tim Article 14364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:58:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19980928135831.24238.00002349@ng80.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14364 We use a item called a "Craft Stick" - it's a giant "toothpick" (about 5" long) sold at craft stores. Ron Bennett Article 14365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: beetim@budget.net (takeyourpick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Microwaving of honey Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:47:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3614bd21.7374594@enews.newsguy.com> References: <6unfn3$k7v$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> <360F9A4E.4639@midwest.net> Reply-To: none NNTP-Posting-Host: p-784.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14365 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:16:46 -0500, AL wrote: >Terence wrote: >> >> Just checking if anyone has experience microwaving honey. Got some that had >> harden, will microwave to liquefy the honey damage it or decolorised the >> honey? >> Thanks and cheers. >Go slow - use the lowest setting possible and stir or shake often to >distribute the heat. >AL Agreed go slow. Have sucessfully decrystalized jars using the high setting but have also had it boil over the jar top and considerablly darken some honey when not carefull. Stirring definitely makes for a shorter time nedded. Nuking for a few seconds on high is a quick way to get the half empty honey bear to flow a bit faster. tim Article 14366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <360FB00E.4EF6F498@home.com> From: LORI WHITED Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:49:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.26.37 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:49:43 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14366 I use a honey bear, and place a drop on the customer's finger. lorin John Caldeira wrote: > What is a good way to provide honey samples to the public at a honey > or beekeeping exhibit? Are a saltless Saltine cracker good (pouring > from a squeeze bear), or is there another good way to let visitors > sample honey at a public fair? > > The honey stix are too expensive and can become a waste problem, so I > am looking for a simple honey sampling alternative. > > Thanks, > John > > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee Vac Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Sep 1998 21:07:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19980928170758.27489.00002664@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14367 Folks let me tell ya bout something new from Brushy Mountain coming in the 1999 catalog ! Ya ever wanted a bee vac.....looked up the price and found them to be in the hundreds of dollars range, well i did and i decided not to put up with it. Me and my little girl tried to build us one, it worked so good that we decided to enter it in the " Gadget " contest at the North Carolina State Beekeepers Convention this summer. Well we won first Prize !!! and Mr Steve Forrest of Brushy Mountain liked the idea so much that he's gonna start selling them in their catalog. Now heres the good part, since our vac will work with just about any household vac cleaner, you're not buying an expensive piece of machinery, as a matter of fact the cost will be under 90 bucks. Steve has already sold the proto type that we took him and i'm sure is taking orders. Thanks for lettin me ring my own bell a little ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: "Ulli Hoeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Microwaving of honey Date: 28 Sep 1998 21:43:09 GMT Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bdeb28$e50a0420$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> References: <6unfn3$k7v$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> <360F9A4E.4639@midwest.net> <3614bd21.7374594@enews.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-07.bp.dal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14368 takeyourpick wrote in article <3614bd21.7374594@enews.newsguy.com>... > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:16:46 -0500, AL wrote: > > >Terence wrote: > >> > >> Just checking if anyone has experience microwaving honey. Got some that had > >> harden, will microwave to liquefy the honey damage it or decolorised the > >> honey? > >> Thanks and cheers. All excessive heating (> 40 C) will destroy what honey makes more than just a sugar solution. If it is necessary to liquify honey I would prefer a 40 degree Celsius water bath to melt the honey -seal the honey container to keep the water away from the honey. I guess the real temperature in the honey during microwaving is hard to control and it is impossible to exclude potential damage of honey ingredients (protein, enzymes etc.). Good luck ulli Article 14369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <26537-360FFA31-7@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <9enagIALPsD2Ewfk@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQXJwb6daWpAp8Znt6470vCm2dFNgIUU80kNlFXRksp/lCWy14rPOLZrnw= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14369 Would it be possible to melt wax using a 20 cu ft frig. I would like to melt at least two five gal buckets at a time. What do you think. Article 14370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news1.ispnews.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news14.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36101330.97602DCE@linkline.com> From: pennington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting-eze Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.150.77.14 X-Trace: news14.ispnews.com 907023492 209.150.77.14 (Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:58:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:58:12 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:52:32 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14370 Hi, A friend of mine is looking for "STING-EZE" for his father who keeps bees on their small farm in Pennsylvania. It was sold by the WisconsinParmical Co of Jackson, Wis. They bought some about 15 years ago and are having a hard time finding some now. He has tried to contact the company but has had no response. Does anybody know where he can purchase some or something similar. It assists in the swelling and itching from bee stings. Thank you for your assistance Laura Pennington jpenn138@linkline.com Article 14371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!144.212.95.13!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Beeginer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-eze Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:45:23 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6up79f$fc1$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <36101330.97602DCE@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust73.tnt17.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-ELN-Date: Mon Sep 28 16:49:03 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14371 I recently purchased something called Sting-Kill, it appears to be the same thing as Sting-Eze. Five swabs to the package, it's distributed by Randob Labs LTD. in Cornwall, NY 12518 it says it's under License from Kiwi Brand, Inc. By the way I purchased it from Wal-Mart, can't remember if it was in the health care or sporting goods section Hope this information is helpful Article 14372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-eze Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:09:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6up8jo$24c$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <36101330.97602DCE@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port14.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14372 pennington wrote: >Hi, >A friend of mine is looking for "STING-EZE" for his father who keeps >bees on their small farm in Pennsylvania. It was sold by the >WisconsinParmical Co of Jackson, Wis. They bought some about 15 years >ago and are having a hard time finding some now. He has tried to >contact the company but has had no response. Does anybody know where he >can purchase some or something similar. It assists in the swelling and >itching from bee stings. >Thank you for your assistance >Laura Pennington >jpenn138@linkline.com The Walter T. Kelley Co. Cat.# 395 or 395C Sting Kill Swabs 10 ea. for $3.35 or 100 ea. for $32.00 502 242-2012 Greg // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 14373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-eze Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:16:22 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 20 Message-ID: <361034E6.1C24@galstar.com> References: <36101330.97602DCE@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: pennington Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14373 pennington wrote: > > Hi, > > A friend of mine is looking for "STING-EZE" for his father who keeps > bees on their small farm in Pennsylvania. It was sold by the > WisconsinParmical Co of Jackson, Wis. They bought some about 15 years > ago and are having a hard time finding some now. He has tried to > contact the company but has had no response. Does anybody know where he > can purchase some or something similar. It assists in the swelling and > itching from bee stings. > > Thank you for your assistance > Laura Pennington > jpenn138@linkline.com I am sitting here holding a bottle of Sting Eze. You are correct Wisconsin Parmical Co of Jackson, Wis. 53037 is the mfg. I found my bottle at Wal-Mart. Lol :-) See Ya' gw Article 14374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: "Geo. W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:07:09 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <361032BD.4A94@galstar.com> References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: John Caldeira Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14374 John Caldeira wrote: > > What is a good way to provide honey samples to the public at a honey > or beekeeping exhibit? Are a saltless Saltine cracker good (pouring > from a squeeze bear), or is there another good way to let visitors > sample honey at a public fair? > > The honey stix are too expensive and can become a waste problem, so I > am looking for a simple honey sampling alternative. > > Thanks, > John > > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ I have showed beekeping at schools and I use Tooth Picks the round wooden kind. The students take a tooth pick and twirls, spins, rotates one end in a small jar of honey. No Double Dipping allowed. The tooth pick stays sweet for alittle while. The best part is they are very inexpensive to use. Hope this helps. See ya' gw Article 14375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!uunet!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.attap.net!mango.singnet.com.sg!dahlia.singnet.com.sg!mawar.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail From: "Terence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Microwaving of honey Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:28:39 +0800 Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6upgtk$uou$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> References: <6unfn3$k7v$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg> <360F9A4E.4639@midwest.net> <3614bd21.7374594@enews.newsguy.com> <01bdeb28$e50a0420$850aad81@ulli.BP.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: qtas2004.singnet.com.sg X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14375 Thanks guys for the help, will proceed as advised. Cheers for the day. Article 14376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!jegsav.global.co.uk!john From: John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question: Lye??!?? Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:48:48 +0100 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <19980920194408.29021.qmail@hotmail.com> <19980920181416.11402.00002045@ng124.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.85.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14376 In article <19980920181416.11402.00002045@ng124.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: > > I just washed my 50/50 bee suit in lye water four heaping tablespoons of lye > to a small load of wash water in the machine. > Excuse my ignorance, but what is "lye". Does it masquerade under a pseudonym here in Blighty? -- John E.G. Savage. Tel/fax +44 (0)1525 237625 1 Oakwood Cottages, Stockgrove Park, Leighton Buzzard, Beds LU7 0BE UK Article 14377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laundry question: Lye??!?? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:10:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19980929081040.21105.00002456@ng152.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14377 > >Excuse my ignorance, but what is "lye". Does it masquerade under a pseudonym >here in Blighty? > >-- Lye is sodium hydroxide- a very caustic chemical used to make soap and clean drains. Article 14378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee Vac Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:05:26 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6uqt3i$gug$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <19980928170758.27489.00002664@ng116.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip50.indianapolis.in.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-Posted-Path-Was: basement X-ELN-Date: Tue Sep 29 08:07:31 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14378 In article <19980928170758.27489.00002664@ng116.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Well we won first Prize !!! and Mr Steve Forrest of Brushy Mountain liked the >idea so much that he's gonna start selling them in their catalog. Congrats! >Now heres the good part, since our vac will work with just about any household >vac cleaner, you're not buying an expensive piece of machinery, as a matter of >fact the cost will be under 90 bucks. > >Steve has already sold the proto type that we took him and i'm sure is taking >orders. > >Thanks for lettin me ring my own bell a little ! >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Only real question I would have is ..Is it a commercial version of ( I believe) Jim Tew's design published in Bee Culture AND is there some sort of allowance or consideration for a non-electric method of air movement? ( I.e. leaf vac adapters etc ). Article 14379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!lboro.ac.uk!usenet From: Seyed Afshin Mansouri Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contact with beekeepers in U.K. Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:02:38 +0100 Organization: Department of Manufacturing Engineering Lines: 8 Message-ID: <361112AD.4CAB850B@lboro.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-enmfc5.lut.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14379 I have a friend who is working as a honeybee keeper in a North town of Iran for 15 years. Currently he is visiting England and would like to get acquaintance with some of beekeepers in U.K. in order to discuss with them. He is also a member of boards of Amol Beekeeping Society and has also some experiences in queen producing. Any information or contact address would be appreciated. Article 14380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:23:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> <360FB00E.4EF6F498@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 907098052 nnrp-08:14750 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14380 In article <360FB00E.4EF6F498@home.com>, LORI WHITED writes >> The honey stix are too expensive and can become a waste problem, so I >> am looking for a simple honey sampling alternative. At our local honey show and demo. we have a table with three or four different honeys and a box of plastic sticks. (The type that go under the guise of spoons in supermarket resaurants) Another box with a slot in the lid for posting used tasters. (the slot stops anyone using spoons from the wrong box). Prospective customers can taste as many honeys as they wish with our only stipulation being that they use a spoon ONCE only. -- Tom Speight Article 14381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <361146E6.FCC1318D@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:45:26 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: John Caldeira Subject: Re: Honey Samples References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.218 X-Trace: 29 Sep 1998 20:46:29 GMT, 166.72.76.218 Lines: 39 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.218 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14381 I use the "sipper / Stirrer" stick of straw. It is the coffee stir straw that you might use at a convenience store coffee bar. I have them on the table with a small dish of honey. As folks have mentioned "No Double Dipping" That is the hardest thing to watch out for. The straws come in a box about 1,000 for just a few dollars at a party supply store or office supply store (2.99. I like the plastic because sometimes the craft sticks and wooden toothpicks have a wood flavor that detracts from very light honey flavor. The shallow bowl I use is about in across, 1 1/4 in deep. I fill it only enough 1/4 - 1/2 inch so that when the stick is put in it dosen't get too much honey or all over the stick. I can always dump that honey and refresh the bowl if the honey gets contaminated by a double dipper. For smaller kids I dip the straw, and cut then in half. John Caldeira wrote: > > What is a good way to provide honey samples to the public at a honey > or beekeeping exhibit? Are a saltless Saltine cracker good (pouring > from a squeeze bear), or is there another good way to let visitors > sample honey at a public fair? > > The honey stix are too expensive and can become a waste problem, so I > am looking for a simple honey sampling alternative. > > Thanks, > John > > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: tims corner_random bits Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: <7gD7vFAHKSE2Ewl5@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <9enagIALPsD2Ewfk@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> <26537-360FFA31-7@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 907098051 nnrp-08:14750 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14382 In article <26537-360FFA31-7@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, John Partin writes >Would it be possible to melt wax using a 20 cu ft frig. I would like to >melt at least two five gal buckets at a time. What do you think. > >Don't see why not. It would take a little longer for the temperature to be reached, but the principle is the same. > -- Tom S Article 14383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan all winter? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Sep 1998 21:56:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6urbdu$ak3$1@strato.ultra.net> Message-ID: <19980929175651.24758.00004003@ng73.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14383 >Can I go ahead and leave the aspitan in all winter, or >should I open the hive up after 45 days, in November? I live in >Worcster, MA. > As with all pesticides the label IS the law Take them out after 6-7 weeks in the hive and no you can't reuse them either. Article 14384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <36114DA5.CC6F863A@home.com> From: Hugh Tait <"h.tait "@home.com> Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Compressed Grass Hive box and other ideas References: <360D3EE8.D1C2A82C@ndak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 47 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:59:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.121.100 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:59:39 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14384 Family wrote: > > > The straw hive offers better insulation for both cold and hot climates. > > Which brings me to what I want to explore with this discussion > group....climate control. > > Has anyone I wonder here or else where heard or read anything about > climate control for overwintering beehives...other than moving the hives > to barns or heated facilities? > > When I was overseas I played around with solar ovens using reflecting > mirrors that sat atop a box. They heated up to 300 - 400 degrees. What > if similar reflecting mirrors were mounted to top of a beehive...so that > when conditions dropped below say 0 F° they would kick in and maintain > atleast during day light hours some degree of heat input to the hives. > > craig Craig Writing this from the Great White north (Canada) where 40-45 below 0 is common. To get bees ready to make it through winter we have lightly insulate Black tarps made and wrap them up, leaving a upper winter entrance open to let moisture out. I have experimented in over insulating them, but when it gets to warm in the hive they start trying to take cleansing flights and freeze as soon as the hit 30 below almost instantly. As well they stay too active and consume stores and start trying to raise brood. As a result we have found it is of no benifit to us or the bees to warm them up in the winter. The balck colour is essential as it absorbs a little heat. As well we have better success wintering outdoors and do not do as well with indoor wintering. That being said We are going to try some polystyrene brood boxes ( with wraps) just to see what happens. Hugh Tait Boschman Hughes Apiaries "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" Hunter S. Thompson Article 14385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <36114ABE.F7EB2825@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:01:50 -0400 From: Al Welk Organization: Atlanta, GA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: pennington Subject: Re: sting-eze References: <36101330.97602DCE@linkline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.76.218 X-Trace: 29 Sep 1998 21:02:52 GMT, 166.72.76.218 Lines: 25 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.76.218 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14385 My wife found some at a WalMart or Kmart store. Try the number below and they should be able to tell you who carries it in your area. Wisconsin Pharmacal Jennifer Chemer - Manager, Marketing Services Andy Friess, Marketing Services Coordinator, 414-677-4121. pennington wrote: > > Hi, > > A friend of mine is looking for "STING-EZE" for his father who keeps > bees on their small farm in Pennsylvania. It was sold by the > WisconsinParmical Co of Jackson, Wis. They bought some about 15 years > ago and are having a hard time finding some now. He has tried to > contact the company but has had no response. Does anybody know where he > can purchase some or something similar. It assists in the swelling and > itching from bee stings. > > Thank you for your assistance > Laura Pennington > jpenn138@linkline.com Article 14386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:52:54 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36126292.37439799@news.earthlink.net> References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> <360FB00E.4EF6F498@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust95.tnt14.dfw5.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Sep 29 15:50:50 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14386 I appreciate all the good suggestions. The consensus seems to be to serve the honey on a dipping straw, stick or spoon, and to manage "no double-dipping." I like Tom Speight's idea of having several honeys to taste, too. Thanks, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 14387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee Vac Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Sep 1998 22:21:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6uqt3i$gug$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19980929182112.25996.00000043@ng116.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14387 >Only real question I would have is ..Is it a commercial version of ( I >believe) Jim Tew's design published in Bee Culture AND is there some sort of >allowance or consideration for a non-electric method of air movement? ( I.e. >leaf vac adapters etc ). > Hmm thats a good question, since i don't get bee culture i can't answer it. But the box is made out of 3/4 ac plywood put together with carpenters glue and 2 inch screws, the lid is held on with piano hinges and old fashioned door latches lock it down. There's a entrance and exit pipe for the hose that comes with it, and the pipe has holes drilled into it to adjust the suction levels( ya just dont slide the hose as far for less suction) bees are sucked into a regular package cage also included.The hose and pipe are 1 1/4 inch standard size, so i suppose one of those shop vac adapters would fit the hose fine to use something bigger. Like i stated earlier, i couldn't afford a commercial vac and figured a lot of other hobbiest/small time folks couldn't either so we kinda worked it out where it would work with just about anything. Took it to the contest thinking it was just a good idea never dreamed we'd win a prize much less start selling the things. Any way, its good and sturdy, i make em rite here at the barn, paint em with exterior 20 primer, no fancy factory, no assembly line unless you count my 7 yr old handing me screws. The 7 ft hose comes from a local dealer i know. and i use the things myself to collect hives. be glad to answer any ? ya got see ya Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 14388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!basement From: beespamguy@NOTearthlink.net (Mushroom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspitan all winter? Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:15:05 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6us0ql$jkm$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6urbdu$ak3$1@strato.ultra.net> <19980929175651.24758.00004003@ng73.aol.com> <6urug0$mbu$1@strato.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip188.indianapolis5.in.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 X-Posted-Path-Was: basement X-ELN-Date: Tue Sep 29 18:17:09 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14388 In article <6urug0$mbu$1@strato.ultra.net>, "Marc Andelman" wrote: > >BeeCrofter wrote in message <19980929175651.24758.00004003@ng73.aol.com>... >> >>>Can I go ahead and leave the aspitan in all winter, or >>>should I open the hive up after 45 days, in November? I live in >>>Worcster, MA. >>> >> >>As with all pesticides the label IS the law >>Take them out after 6-7 weeks in the hive and no you can't reuse them >either. > >I don't care about the law. I always used to have an "illegal" >hive or two as well . However, would it hurt the bees? >Does the 45 day limit mean it would get into the honey? > I don't sell my honey but don't want to poison myself either. > It was a stock answer, although correct. By not useing the product per the instructions we don't KNOW what might happen. The first item that comes to mind may not seemingly bother you, but does many of us. That is the evolution of Apistan resistant Mites. Currently Apistan is the ONLY tool we have. The second item is that perhaps there IS enough residual to contaminate honey. Maybe you will become ill, maybe not. but THEN the Newspapers get ahold of the story... Apistan's active chemical migrates to the surface of the strip as it is rubbed off by the bees. Andy or Jack may wish to discuss the subject with you concerning thier livelyhood. The short of it ( and I had to learn it too) PLAN AHEAD. Last, and personally, I'd pull them on schedule ...quickly and smoothly. Will weather cooperate? WELCOME to Farming.:) remove spam not from address......but you knew that.:) Article 14389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!korova.insync.net!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3611BC9E.DB000B9F@teleport.com> From: Paul Cauthorn Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com Organization: Cascadia Hop Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Samples References: <360eb95b.25507427@news.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:50:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.106.140.172 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:50:59 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14389 Ordinary beverage straws cut into several pieces work great. You just can't get enough honey on a toopick. John Caldeira wrote: > What is a good way to provide honey samples to the public at a honey > or beekeeping exhibit? Are a saltless Saltine cracker good (pouring > from a squeeze bear), or is there another good way to let visitors > sample honey at a public fair? Article 14390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17947-3611E24E-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQrnb6Z1aT6BdcUgDGzOhHynvm4fwIUN4q/xZIX/1SlVcvF+g/TR/ZanU0= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:14390 I still have so much to learn about the fine art of beekeeping. I really enjoy working with the bees though I might never have started had I known how much time and effort it involved. Now that I've begun, I will never stop (as long as my back holds out.) I'd like to enter honey in an upcoming competition. What do judges look for? I'd appreciate any words of wisdom on the best way to prepare honey for show. Thank's in advance.