From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:53:50 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20726 Hi, Global warming . Global bullshit . TV news yesterday, issued a warning to drive carefully, in the passes dividing Oregon . "Watch" put out for frost in the foothills . In August ! And, we haven't had a single week all year, when it wasn't necessary to fire up the stove . With all this rain, what kind of beekeeper am I to bitch, the alternating weather is great for the plants, and the bees are going nuts . But I get so tired of being lied to about things they're planning to use for more excuses, to ruin our lives . Went out and put entrance limiters in the hives . It's too cold for wide open entrances . Ken . From taylaw@digizen.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.22 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:49 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37CC3B78.89C41B4C@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 936131343 46642 209.194.78.12 (31 Aug 1999 20:29:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 20:29:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20727 I think you may be confusing cause with effect. My understanding is that wax moths will only flourish in an occupied hive if the hive is already in severe distress. Saying wax moths killed your hive is like saying that maggots killed your dog. It probably died from other causes and the moths showed up to take advantage of the situation. For example.... I was unable to prevent a weak split of mine from being heavily robbed. When last checked.... there were no bees but a flourishing wax moth population. The robbing killed the hive.... not the wax moths. I would say to look for another source of the bees' distress. David James wrote: > What is the most accepted method to prevent wax month. A friend of mine has > lost 5 hives this summer to the wax moth. All of the hives are located in > the same location and started off strong in the early summer From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37cc438a.2037769@news.cidial.com> References: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:17:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.189 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 936134524 38.11.203.189 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:22:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:22:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20728 >Hi, > > Global warming . > Global bullshit . > > TV news yesterday, issued a warning >to drive carefully, in the passes >dividing Oregon . > "Watch" put out for frost in the >foothills . > > In August ! Here's the thing, Global Warming is real. You are experiencing the effects of weather patterns with no moderating bio mass, notably forest, to encourage a smooth transition of seasons and moderate weather in between. In other words, unpredictable weather will get worse and more crazy, as the atmosphere warms up. After all, heat is energy and energy drives the planet's weather. You ain't seen nothing yet. I'm waiting for Washington to have a few 130 F days. Maybe the Senate will get together and have a prayer breakfast. Charles Kroeger From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cappings Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:08:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 936140974 3707 62.136.16.88 (31 Aug 1999 23:09:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:09:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20729 There seems to have been very little posted to this newsgroup about how to deal with cappings. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any new or novel ways of separating the remaining honey from the wax and then converting the wax into saleable blocks. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Bees Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:55:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qhnbd$3jr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qat4i$n3u$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-88.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 936140973 3707 62.136.16.88 (31 Aug 1999 23:09:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:09:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20730 David Gladstone wrote in message ... >Having just moved the association's bees to their new training apiary I >can only endorse the advice given below and to add >1) make sure that there is adequate ventilation, we replace the >roof with a mesh sheet while they are in transit. >2) use secure straps, ratchet style is best >3) check the hive for damage before moving it, they can find the >smallest hole or crack >4) prepare the new site before the arrival. get the stands in >place. >5) place a branch or obstacle in front of the entrance before >removing the transit closure. In this way they stop and think about >where they are going instead of just buzzing out of the hive and >expecting to find the same old forage! >6) "bless" the site by sacrificing a bottle of mead, ale, or wine >and enjoy >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- In no particular order: 7) move when colonies are small if possible - spring is good 8) remove any honey crop before moving 9) add an empty super so that the bees are not crowded 10) close the entrance completely with foam - if you use mesh then many bees will die trying to get out of the entrance 11) do not use Netlon greenhouse shading for your screen - it is easily damaged and the holes are just the right size for bees to poke their heads through and get stuck, blocking the air supply and suffocating the colony (yes, it happened to me - and of course it was the best and strongest colony) 12) move after dark on a cool evening as soon as the bees have stopped flying for preference - if the move is a long one (e.g. moving bees to the heather) this gives you all night; there is nothing worse than starting a move in the early morning, hitting a vehicle or trailer problem and having hives exposed to the full heat of the day 13) give water if the weather is hot - half a cupful poured over the screen will enable the bees to cool the hive 14) strap hives well in advance if possible - this gives time for the propolis to glue the boxes together and stop slippage 15) do not go through the hives just before moving - the propolis will help to hold the frames and stop them swinging 16) Hoffman frames will not move 17) If using a trailer, ensure that the hives are well secured - hives banging against each other do nothing to improve the bees temper and the boxes may twist 18) When releasing the bees, put the roof on and pull out the entrance foam - do not put roofs on and then leave the bees shut in for any length of time 19) When you have finished, count the pieces of foam to ensure that all the bees have been released 20) Protect the hives from heavy rain if on a trailer - small amounts of light rain will not matter. From tenmoku@webtv.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8310-37CC5B83-65@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37cc438a.2037769@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqukjpiK4jnDbPGnueJw+ZEvbSTECFQC3ay2HR3+NOIf3rRlbqiQumK1Gyw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20731 Impossible to judge global warming on ancedotal evidence of a light dusting of snow in August on Mt Hood. Have you noticed the increase in shrinkage of glaciers in Alaska lately? From tenmoku@webtv.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <2395-37CC5EDD-13@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37cbcb6a@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRw+0K8lUqgn9H+jN0A9hulA1zoTQIUO/fUrPfdgchLCbwrRwzO4V8efJ4= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20732 Sounds like a good idea to add now and feed so the bees will have some food for the winter. I am a first year keeper and I have 4 hives all with two deep boxes for the winter with plenty of honey stores. From trolan@bellsouth.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CC6DBA.429BEA57@bellsouth.net> From: "Tim Rolan (KE4UZI)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lexan hives?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:05:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.53.131 X-Trace: news3.mia 936144266 209.214.53.131 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:04:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:04:26 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20733 Has any in the group made or use lexan (plexi-glass) to build thier hives out of? If so,how does this effect the bees? Does the hive get hotter than a wooden one? What effect would this have on disease or mites?Would this be better for a temperary display hive?? Just an idea I'm working on........I live in the deep south,(Montgomery,Alabama) Thanks for any help.... e-mail > trolan@bellsouth.net From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Sep 2 06:40:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:16:56 GMT References: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20734 The allergy kit recall affects: Derm/Buro Insect-Sting Treatment Kits with the lot numbers 0397, 0497, 0597, 8141, 8139, 11464, 13239. The products were distributed between June 1997 and February 1999. Also affected: Ana-Kits with lot numbers AK344 through AK363 and lot AK366, and Ana-Guard with lot numbers G00196 through G00220, and lots G00222 and G00223. They were distributed by Bayer between April 1997 and April 1998. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:08:12 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20735 BeeCrofter wrote in message <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com>... > >The allergy kit recall affects: Derm/Buro Insect-Sting Treatment Kits with the >lot numbers 0397, 0497, 0597, 8141, 8139, 11464, 13239. The products were >distributed between June 1997 and February 1999. > >Also affected: Ana-Kits with lot numbers AK344 through AK363 and lot AK366, and >Ana-Guard with lot numbers G00196 through G00220, and lots G00222 and G00223. >They were distributed by Bayer between April 1997 and April 1998. For those interested, the AP story that appeared today (Aug. 31) with full details can be found at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990831/us/allergy_kit_recall_4.html On the subject of epipens, does anyone know if non-allergic folks (say, beekeepers who don't have a problem themselves) can get a prescription? (I'm referring to my previous post in this thread on getting one for visitos--God forbid-- who get stung and turn out to be violently allergic)? I'm not scheduled for a visit to my regular doctor until November. (Personally, I don't know if I am allergic because--knock on wood--here I am at 47 years old and I've never been bee stung; wasps, yes; sweat bees, yes; yellow jackets, yes...but the honeybees have always left me alone.) Paula, The Happy Hollow Witch Head of Happy Hollow Farm Tollesboro, KY From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Message-ID: References: <37CC3B78.89C41B4C@digizen.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.33 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936149139 216.100.16.33 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:25:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:25:39 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:30:49 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20736 In article <37CC3B78.89C41B4C@digizen.net>, taylaw@digizen.net says... > My understanding is that wax > moths will only flourish in an occupied hive if the hive is already in severe > distress. > Yes, I agree; and I was able to help one colony three years ago by gouging out the wax moths with my hive tool and killing them dead. The colony steadily improved down. From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lexan hives?? Message-ID: References: <37CC6DBA.429BEA57@bellsouth.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.33 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936149521 216.100.16.33 (Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:32:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:32:01 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:37:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20737 Hello, Trolan; I tried that in my first year of beekeeping with a home-made obervation hive where I made the sides out of lexan, and the bees did fine. I pulled the frame from the full sized Langstroth hive bodies and just by beginner's luck it turned out that there was an old queen on the frame! I got to watch the workers cluster around her, and all the other stuff in the secret life of a queen bee. I hung canvas curtains over the sides, but there was still a lot of light that got in there, but I haven't heard of a hive body made entirely out of lexan. If you don't get an answer, you should just go ahead and try it, dude. In article <37CC6DBA.429BEA57@bellsouth.net>, trolan@bellsouth.net says... > Has any in the group made or use lexan (plexi-glass) to build thier > hives out of? If so,how does this effect the bees? Does the hive get > hotter than a wooden one? What effect would this have on disease or > mites?Would this be better for a temperary display hive?? > Just an idea I'm working on........I live in the deep > south,(Montgomery,Alabama) > Thanks for any help.... > e-mail > trolan@bellsouth.net > > > > From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:another epipen recall, Dey Laboratories Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:57:42 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7qi0qd$aju$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qcnpu$rmj$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990831201656.20333.00000079@ng-fc1.aol.com> <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20738 Just found this doing a web search on the recalls and found yet another epipen recall, this time Dey Laboratories, and it has all the pertinent lot numbers: http://pharmacology.miningco.com/library/98news/bln0508a.htm >Paula, The Happy Hollow Witch > Head of Happy Hollow Farm >Tollesboro, KY From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!newshub1.wanet.net!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:42:36 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7qi8eo$emf$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <01beeeba$f4bb5cc0$48d32dc7@spike> <37C3FB72.45ED@midwest.net> <7q7o78$8d2$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20739 Spike Psarris wrote in message <01bef1aa$fe927ce0$94d32dc7@spike>... >Actually, I (Spike) asked the question and Al answered. But this brings up >another question: would MSG be a good stop-gap or delaying tactic for a >stinging victim who is allergic to venom? (By "delaying" I mean reducing >anaphylaxis while transporting to the hospital...) Hi Spike, Sorry about the initial (and subsequent) confusions on this sub-thread. To re-inforce Kevin's response to this query, there really is nothing you can do as a stop-gap for anaphylactic shock other than an EpiPen (and then cross your fingers), other than Kevin's subsequent post about Benedryl. Back in my EMT days, the Benedryl option was used when EpiPens were not available, but we really hoped to get to the hospital a lot faster than usual (that was in northeastern Illinois, but the nearest hospital was still 20 minutes away on a really good day, depending where we were in the township). Where I'm located now in Appalachia, I'm really starting to feel nervous on this subject. I suppose it's a good thing that I DO recognize signs of anaphylacitc shock but, at this point, I know my farm is way too remote to get adequate hospital intervention. On a somewhat unrelated note, I'd also like to make the observation of how many people have informed me that they are allergic to bee stings and I have later come to learn (either by questioning or subsequent observation) that they are NOT allergic, they are in fact having a normal bee sting reaction. When I explain to these particular folks what allergic REALLY means (after asking them to describe their usual "allergic" reaction), they are horrified. And, on a happier note, they are much relieved to know that they are actually "normal", but educated on what really constitutes "allergic". Paula The Happy Holler Witch >> >> >> >> From michel_crichton@mitel.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:13:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:13:32 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20740 Flows are all but over up here in Eastern Ontario so I am now going to start making preparations to winter the bees. I have six hives and checked them last week to see if I could squeeze out another harvest. Many of the supers I checked had a lot of frames which were unfinished/uncapped by the bees. By this I mean a lot of the frames just had combs which were half filled with pollen or honey and that's it. I assume the flows ended before they could finish them. I will have to take these supers off to winter the bees so my question is what should I do with any frames which the bees do not cap/finish? Should I pull them off the hives and leave them out for the bees to clean and bring back the extra pollen/honey from them to their hives? I don't really want to waste any of it. Will they eventually cap these frames before winter even though some of the combs are not full? Just wondering, Mich From allend@internode.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Moving Bees Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:23:04 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <000c01bef474$bd4d5c60$02000003@allend> References: <7qhnbd$3jr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7qhnbd$3jr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _aNIWwwj9++To8Gfvw5MASg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20741 We move hives whenever we please by covering them with tarps. Of course the tarps must allow sufficent air under for the bees to breathe, but unless weather is hot and the bees have been on a flow, they stay in nicely without screening. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of BEE-L discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:55:35 GMT References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20742 >beekeepers who don't have a problem themselves) can get a prescription? (I'm >referring to my previous post in this thread on getting one for vi Hi Paula ! welcome to the group, To answer your question, most any beekeeper can get a prescription. Also if you have young kids get one for them too. Ya never know when you might trip accidently and fall against a hive getting stung many many times, even someone not allergic may develop a deadly reaction if stung 30 + times. Remind the MD of this and you shouldn't have any problems. Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else( legally) Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: EpiPen Replacement? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:39:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <37BF6B28.59538DE7@povn.com> <19990822101348.02299.00002623@ng-fc1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20743 >Now you must understand that true anaphy/shock/reaction is DEADLY. >But if you have a reaction that includes trouble breathing, immediate swelling >of the neck etc, You better have some epi !!!!!! >Stick yourself then call 911 cause that one stick might not be enough . > Kevin is absolutely correct. Anaphylactic shock is truely a medical emergency and help should be called for immediately regardless of availability of an Epi-Pen or any other treatment. Proventil (albuterol) will not cut it and Benadryl (diphenhydramine), though will help, is not the first line drug for such and emergency. Anyone experiencing anaphylactic shock whether from bee sting or any other severe allergy needs epinepherine, Emergency Medical Services intervention, and definitive care in hospital. Also as a paramedic (and sideline beekeeper) this is one of the scariest things I see. Excellent reply Kevin. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a swarm close by ? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:47:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <37c62a1b.5484770@news2.i-link-2.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20744 If your bees are within a mile or two they could likely be yours. Same with your neighbor's bees. Or maybe there are some within a couple miles you don't know about. I've had bees (visiting, unwantedly) at my honeyhouse for a couple weeks now. I had a yard a mile away and I knew they were the source. I moved them and continued to have company. I took a jar and captured some off the window inside. When I went outside I let them go one at a time. When I realized the direction they flew off in, I have another yard in that direction over 2 miles away. I went part way there (in truck) and let a few more loose. Yep, that was it. You won't be able to attract these forage bees with an attractant lure. Possibly a swarm during swarming season in late spring but not now. From shuston@riverace.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:20:26 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37CD362A.248EE0B1@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: YpD34hNQKucSYv0ZG7GKlbttr+AeVNykmlAE2VyLu6k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 1999 14:20:26 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20745 When I was done extracting, I took the extracted frames, and the frames that weren't able to be extracted (not capped) and put them back on the hive, over the inner cover, with the outer cover on top. The bees came up and cleaned them all out, clean as a whistle. -Steve Michel Crichton wrote: > > Flows are all but over up here in Eastern Ontario so I am now going to start > making preparations to winter the bees. I have six hives and checked them > last week to see if I could squeeze out another harvest. Many of the supers > I checked had a lot of frames which were unfinished/uncapped by the bees. > By this I mean a lot of the frames just had combs which were half filled > with pollen or honey and that's it. I assume the flows ended before they > could finish them. I will have to take these supers off to winter the bees > so my question is what should I do with any frames which the bees do not > cap/finish? Should I pull them off the hives and leave them out for the > bees to clean and bring back the extra pollen/honey from them to their > hives? I don't really want to waste any of it. Will they eventually cap > these frames before winter even though some of the combs are not full? > > Just wondering, > Mich -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From lithar@midwest.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:21:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20746 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else(legally) > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go hand in hand. AL From pacman-biz@mindspring.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "The Game Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help here is PICTURE of it.... Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:41:52 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7qjkkc$kq8$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7qfv58$a3m$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.91.4e X-Server-Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:35:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20747 http://www.mindspring.com/~forty4/thing this is the snap I got of it at 3 am several mornings ago. What is this thing? Brettt From hensler@povn.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CD5F3F.2843C5D2@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:15:43 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.76 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 936206128 206.107.251.76 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:15:28 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:15:28 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20748 > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > > Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else(legally) > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC To which Big Al replied: > > This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I > purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or > guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of > popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. > Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was > taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go > hand in hand. Yo Bee Guys: Good post. Sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Keep in mind though that a law suit could be filed against you under either scenario. Might be a good time to check the ole personal and business liability policy. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:28:27 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7ptpan$1hu2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990824140656.15608.00002043@ngol06.aol.com> <7pvj5f$hs6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936221711 nnrp-11:12346 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20749 In article <7pvj5f$hs6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, busybee writes >You ARE buying it THE best possible way when buying directly from an honest >beekeeper. Most people have no clue about their "honey"...the average >person just thinks honey is honey. If one cannot purchase honey directly >from a beekeeper and only buys honey in a supermarket, my only suggestion is >that they are looking at country of origin and that it is labeled 100% Pure >honey. > > >I thought the anti-dumping suits against China were still in place...but I >have my suspicisions that all their honey is routed through Argentina (or >other country). A few years ago China was a HUGE honey >producer/importer...Argentina was virtually unheard of. After the >anti-dumping suit and mucho money spent by American beekeepers for this, >suddenly Argentina had so much honey...just doesn't make sense. The >anti-dumping should have been on ALL foreign imports. IMO. > >--Busybee We've been down this road before, especially last autumn and this spring when accusations were flying about indicating that Canadians were doing the same thing. Argentina has been a major producer for many, many years. Their honey is of generally good quality well suited to the blending trade. Chinese is generally (there are exceptions) of low quality, being easily discernable by an unattractive floral/metallic smell which is instantly obvious to all who handle many honey types. It certainly could never be passed off as Canadian, or probably Argentinian, except with the conivance of the packer. Another poster mentioned Sue Bee honey. I have brought jars of their product home on a number of occasions and it is good reliable middle of the road product. (Just what they need for mass marketing.) We get regular updates from London traders on the world honey market and their latest newsletter indicates a good crop in China this year, but bekeepers are starting to give up because of the low prices. It also states that 'The USA, because of the Sino-USA suspension agreement and an apparently reasonable 1999 crop, is importing little Chinese honey.' Argentine honey currently trades at about $300 per tonne more than Chinese. The same report indicates that the Argentine crop is estimated at 82,000 tonnes, and that 54,000 have been sold, leaving 18,000 still in the beekeepers hands. Of the amount sold 23,000 went to the USA and 21,000 to Germany. In my opinion Argentine beekeepers are genuine, hard working, and do not get a high price for their product. But then the same applies even more severely to USA and Canada at the moment. -- Murray McGregor From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: contents of honey Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:59:32 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <0sIWBAA0OZz3EwoY@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <19990823091245.13940.00001920@ngol04.aol.com> <7psiio$4i6$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936221709 nnrp-11:12346 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20750 In article <7psiio$4i6$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >3 Honey gathered solely from crops grown organically, i.e. no chemical >fertiliser input or use of pesticides or herbicides. >4 Who would certify? In the UK it would be for the beekeeper to claim >(through labelling) that the honey was organic; this could lead to >prosecution if it could be shown that the honey was not organic. Not so. It is done by the Soil Association in Britain, who will come and assess your operation. (It costs serious money!) Having been part of the way down that road for an organic brand it was clear the it is most unlikely that any UK honey could ever meet their criteria. Organic claims (entirely false) have been made here in Scotland by an enterprise selling what was almost pure rape (canola) honey but this was suppressed by the authorities and the producer amended their claim to 'original cold pressed' which has no legal standing. >I would not advise anyone keeping bees in the >UK to claim 'organic' for their honey - although honey from the heather >moors is probably OK. > I agree, but if you are migratory it is still unlikely that you will qualify. The criteria as I was given them a couple of years ago required that all colonies involved in producing organic honey had to be seperated from non organic agriculture by at least the normal maximum bee foraging distance, PLUS they had to have had no exposure to medication of any kind, AND they had to have met the two previous conditions for an unbroken period of at least two years. There were other restrictions as well. Honey from the heather will probably be as free of contaminants as you can get in the UK, but unless the colonies are resident there (which would be rare) organic claims will not be sustainable. -- Murray McGregor From nmcfield@aol.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nmcfield@aol.com (N MCFIELD) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping products Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Sep 1999 21:06:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20751 Where can I buy products as a beekeeper such as hives and smokers? From vfzmgd@yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: vfzmgd@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE SOFTWARE 9557 Lines: 3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:28:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.38.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 936217680 24.113.38.8 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:28:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:28:00 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20752 GO TO www.fvsoftware.com for all your COMPLETELY FREE SOFTWARE!!! hgpdptqnyeezrvcnlwhkxrmzhx From eric_cl@pacbell.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CDA048.16A13409@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeClips References: <37cd6061@news.clover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:53:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 936222622 216.103.215.122 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:50:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:50:22 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20753 Bob wrote: > Attached are some really nice Bee pictures/clipart I gathered up. Great collection, Bob. I am honored that my "bee.jpg" made your list. If there is enough interest in bee clip art and photos, I would be willing to host a web site and/or ftp site. My local bee club is putting up a site and may also be contributing with original art. Eric -- Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D. Charmed Life San Francisco, CA From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 2 06:40:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:08:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7qkc05$pkh$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37CD362A.248EE0B1@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2.endostatin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 936227653 26257 62.136.65.2 (1 Sep 1999 23:14:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 1999 23:14:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20754 Steve Huston wrote in message <37CD362A.248EE0B1@riverace.com>... >When I was done extracting, I took the extracted frames, and the frames >that weren't able to be extracted (not capped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Honey does not have to be capped - just at a low enough moisture content. See previous posts. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu Sep 2 06:40:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!info1.fnal.gov!ice.isc-net.upenn.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . Date: 2 Sep 1999 01:22:37 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7qkjgt$nlt$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20755 Take a look at the following web link: http://epn.org/prospect/31/31gelbfs.html Dave T. (my other hat is energy analysis) From pfranke@databasix.com Thu Sep 2 06:40:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.ro.com!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:29:22 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Message-ID: <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20756 >Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >> >> Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone else(legally) >> >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > >Then AL reponded: >This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I >purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or >guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of >popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. >Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was >taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go >hand in hand. Yep, this bums me out too. Talk about your rock and a hard place. Like Skip says, it's a no-win situation. Guess our only option is to just not have a life-saving remedy available at all. If we don't have it, then we won't be enticed into illegally trying to save a life, other than getting the victim/body to the hospital. In my area, calling EMS is not a viable option in this scenario. It takes the ambulance the same amount of time to get here as it would for me to just pour someone into the van and head out myself straight to the hospital. The ambulance is 30 minutes away to the east, the hospital is 30 minutes away to the west. In either event, it takes almost ten minutes to get from my house to the highway. Do the math. The only other option would be to have someone call the hospital (which does not have its own ambulance service) explain the situation and try to get an ambulance from the neighboring county to the west to meet us enroute coming from the east. But we're still talking at least 20 minutes travel time if that works out best case to meet en route. So much for what could have been a good idea... Paula in Kentucky From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: August : Frost on roads, in passes . From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4Xkz3.2714$Fc.250718@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.100 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936237888 216.98.71.100 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:04:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:04:48 EDT Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 02:04:48 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20757 Hasn't the planet warmed up in past epochs even before the industrial revolution and fossil fuel burning engines? I believe it has so maybe this is just a natural occurance. John R. In article <37cc3064.3571609@news2.i-link-2.net>, stgeorge@i-link-2.net says... > >Hi, > > Global warming . > Global bullshit . > > TV news yesterday, issued a warning >to drive carefully, in the passes >dividing Oregon . > "Watch" put out for frost in the >foothills . > > In August ! > > And, we haven't had a single week >all year, when it wasn't necessary to >fire up the stove . > > With all this rain, what kind of >beekeeper am I to bitch, the alternating >weather is great for the plants, and the >bees are going nuts . > > But I get so tired of being lied to >about things they're planning to use >for more excuses, to ruin our lives . > > Went out and put entrance >limiters in the hives . > > It's too cold for wide open >entrances . > >Ken . > From lithar@midwest.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:41:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: <37CDE3E8.1016@midwest.net> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20758 Paula Franke wrote: > > >Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Remember That is your epi pen, YOU can not administer it to someoone > else(legally) > >> > >> Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > >Then AL reponded: > >This raises an interesting point I hadn't considered, till now. I > >purchase epi pens not so much for myself, but for family members or > >guests who might end up in a situation with my bees. The legality of > >popping a gasping guest vs. the alternative, never entered my mind. > >Hopefully, it would stand to reason that the best and only option was > >taken under the circumstances, but law and reason don't necessarily go > >hand in hand. > Then Paula responded: > Yep, this bums me out too. Talk about your rock and a hard place. > > Like Skip says, it's a no-win situation. Guess our only option is to just > not have a life-saving remedy available at all. If we don't have it, then we > won't be enticed into illegally trying to save a life, other than getting > the victim/body to the hospital. > > So much for what could have been a good idea... > > Paula in Kentucky You are being facetious - right? Ok, given that our humane instincts and availability of an epi pen prevail - what are the potential side effects of an epi pen, how do we identify them and how might we be prepared to reduce them??? AL From bahaus@micron.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.micron.net!skin01.micron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bahaus@micron.net (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Recommendations for Maxant or Dadant equipment? Message-ID: <37ce0fed.1220443@news.micron.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:54:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.19.154.54 X-Trace: skin01.micron.net 936247898 209.19.154.54 (Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:51:38 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:51:38 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20759 I am interested in upgrading my equipment so that I can use an automatic uncapper and cappings handling system in my honey house. I have approx. 300 hives and have been doing all extracting by hand and working another full time job means that it takes me forever to get all the frames uncapped and extracted. Both Dadant and Maxant have equipment that would do the job of uncapping and handling cappings--if you have any suggestions or recommendations regarding how to speed up this step in processing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. From lithar@midwest.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 23:59:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37CE043C.2FEC@midwest.net> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20760 Peter Amschel wrote: > > An old friend told me that he had always felt he was dangerously > allergic to hymenoptera stings. He said he was on a hike in the > desert, several miles away from any civilization at all when he > got stung by one of them. He said he laid himself back in some > shade and forced himself to be calm and he managed to survive. > Pete in Hemet > Hey Pete, Sounds like your buddie was working through an anxiety attack - *NOT* aphylaxis shock. Not to knock kicking back under the shade of a cactus, pine, maple etc...I'm all for that. If your friend had a *real* allergic reaction, one day some unfortunate hiker would happen upon his bleached bones laid back in the shade. BTW - I'm assuming we are talking bees, not scorpions. AL From kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz Thu Sep 2 06:40:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!news.akl.netlink.net.nz!kumar From: kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz (Kumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not going up into supers Date: 2 Sep 1999 04:51:44 GMT Organization: NetLink Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7qkvp0$7e9$2@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> References: <7qedvb$5s$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.agresearch.cri.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20761 James Davidson (james.davidson1@virgin.net) wrote: : Why will bees not go up into super? Bottom box full and queenright. No : excluder and warm frames. We are baffled! Isn't it autumn right now where you are? If the nectar flow has stopped, then bees are unlikely to expand into supers - more likely to store honey in the brood nest. -- Kumar vetharaniamk@agresearch.cri.nz From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 2 06:40:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Message-ID: References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936247277 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:41:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:41:17 EDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:46:28 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20762 An old friend told me that he had always felt he was dangerously allergic to hymenoptera stings. He said he was on a hike in the desert, several miles away from any civilization at all when he got stung by one of them. He said he laid himself back in some shade and forced himself to be calm and he managed to survive. Pete in Hemet > In my area, calling EMS is not a viable option in this scenario. It takes > the ambulance the same amount of time to get here as it would for me to just > pour someone into the van and head out myself straight to the hospital. The > ambulance is 30 minutes away to the east, the hospital is 30 minutes away to > the west. In either event, it takes almost ten minutes to get from my house > to the highway. Do the math. The only other option would be to have someone > call the hospital (which does not have its own ambulance service) explain > the situation and try to get an ambulance from the neighboring county to the > west to meet us enroute coming from the east. But we're still talking at > least 20 minutes travel time if that works out best case to meet en route. > > So much for what could have been a good idea... > > Paula in Kentucky > > > > > From kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz Fri Sep 3 09:40:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!news.akl.netlink.net.nz!kumar From: kumar@rpolis.agresearch.cri.nz (Kumar Vetharaniam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-keepers' health affected by smoke? Date: 2 Sep 1999 04:47:32 GMT Organization: NetLink Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7qkvh4$7e9$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> References: <7qchl2$fco$1@news.akl.netlink.net.nz> <37CA93AB.E2A46ED@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.agresearch.cri.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20763 Usually when I inspect my hives the smoke always swirls around, usually following me, and I smell like I could have stepped out of a smokey nightclub (minus the beer smell). Probably a result of siting hives in very sheltered areas where the wind doesn't blow through. At least it makes a shower even more luxurious at the end. Kumar Steve Huston (shuston@riverace.com) wrote: : I've started to get decent at not getting much smoke on me. If the wind : keeps changing direction though, I get it, but I don't notice I'm : breathing it - any wind diffuses it very quickly. : -Steve -- Kumar vetharaniamk@agresearch.cri.nz From hamilton@pbssite.com Fri Sep 3 09:40:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tvd.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, L ARGE un-identified Bee, Picture Link Message-ID: <37ce6c32.596658140@news.usenetserver.com> References: <7qkrmg$96k$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 29 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:23:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news5.usenetserver.com 936285827 207.91.44.54 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:23:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:23:47 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20764 Yup .. Cicada Killer On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:48:37 -0400, "The Game Man" wrote: >Hello again... > >Some you suggested it is a "Cicada Killer" bee, > > (..killer bee (?) sounds somewhat familiar)... > >so I scanned the picture, here it is. Remember, this (?) is > >at least 2 inches long overall. Notice the large oval brown > >marking at the rear of its middle section, will this help to > >identify it? http://www.mindspring.com/~forty4/thing > >This is the picture I took at 3-am several mornings ago. > >What is this thing exactly, and is it a threat to my children? > > (I posted full story 2 days ago) > >Brettt > > From eric_cl@pacbell.net Fri Sep 3 09:40:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37CE8572.F4395725@pacbell.net> From: "Eric K. Engelhard" Organization: Charmed Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeClips.zip on my web page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:10:59 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.215.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: typhoon-sf.snfc21.pbi.net 936281284 216.103.215.122 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:08:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 07:08:04 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20765 You can find the BeeClips.zip file originally posted to the newsgroup by Bob on my rooftop apiary web page at http://216.103.215.122/beekeep.html . My goal is to have many more images with a thumbnail index. -- Eric K. Engelhard, Ph.D. Charmed Life San Francisco, CA From obriens@sky.net Fri Sep 3 09:40:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:21:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 936282162 209.90.4.172 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:22:42 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:22:42 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20766 I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are contributing to the demise of the honey bee. I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees >from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? Any thoughts about this, pro or con? John O'Brien From tignor@vt.edu Fri Sep 3 09:40:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: "Keith Tignor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED: Pictures of bees Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:56:04 -0400 Organization: VPI&SU Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7qm6m6$7g5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mullins2.ento.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 936287750 7685 128.173.215.35 (2 Sep 1999 15:55:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 15:55:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20767 Check out the National Honey Board site (http://www.nhb.org). They have clipart available for downloading. As far as animation, watch the newsgroup 'alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs'. There are animated bees posted infrequently to the group. ---------- In article <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr>, "Simon" wrote: > > I'll be greatfull for some pictures of bees or everything > conectetd with beekeeping. > (gif, jpeg, cdr, bmp, pic, tif, animations, ...) > Thanks in advance. > > goran.salihovic1@vz.tel.hr > > From pacman-biz@mindspring.com Fri Sep 3 09:40:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "The Game Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, L ARGE un-identified Bee, Picture Link Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:48:37 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7qkrmg$96k$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0a.fc X-Server-Date: 2 Sep 1999 03:42:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20768 Hello again... Some you suggested it is a "Cicada Killer" bee, (..killer bee (?) sounds somewhat familiar)... so I scanned the picture, here it is. Remember, this (?) is at least 2 inches long overall. Notice the large oval brown marking at the rear of its middle section, will this help to identify it? http://www.mindspring.com/~forty4/thing This is the picture I took at 3-am several mornings ago. What is this thing exactly, and is it a threat to my children? (I posted full story 2 days ago) Brettt From pfranke@databasix.com Fri Sep 3 09:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeed.zip.com.au!netra-news.ntrnet.net!nntpd.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: "Paula Franke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:24:06 -0400 Organization: DataBasix - Raleigh, NC USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> References: <7qhtso$r6i$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <19990901065535.20417.00002333@ng-cs1.aol.com> <37CD4494.46D9@midwest.net> <7qkjir$ada$1@nntpd.databasix.com> <37CDE3E8.1016@midwest.net> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20769 AL asked: >You are being facetious - right? Yeah, I was! But the particular situation we're talking about has opened up a whole lot of different trains of thought that I had not really considered before. >Ok, given that our humane instincts and availability of an epi pen >prevail - what are the potential side effects of an epi pen, how do we >identify them and how might we be prepared to reduce them??? I think the worse thing is the people who claim they're allergic to bees when, in fact, they have normal reactions or perhaps may be a bit more reactive than others, but not allergic. Or something like Pete mentioned (and I'm not downplaying his friend's reaction) but some people really might get so anxious that they'll start hypervenitlating (a scary thing for people who experience that for the first time). So I would think admininstering an EpiPen to someone who is not in danger of anaphylactic shot would be a bad move? Kevin? Can 'o worms, isn't it? OTOH, this discussion is turning into a good learning experience for me. Things aren't always as simple as I first think. Paula From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 08:10:41 GMT References: <7qkc05$pkh$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902041041.24172.00003460@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20770 I put a super of extracted (wet) frames above the inner cover of one of my hives for the bees to clean out, having heard that the bees will just take the honey down below the inner cover. When I checked the next day, the bees had started building new wax, attaching the frames to the underside of the telescoping cover, which indicates to me that the bees wanted to do more than just clean the frames out. John From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Board Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:35:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Sep 1999 19:40:37 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 2 12:45:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust239.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CED183.53B2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20771 I made some that worked well. I made a frame the same size of the box. Added a bottom to it, drilled a hole in the middle, put it on, filled it with sugar making sure to leave the hole open and put the cover on. It worked well for me, however the moisture in the hive crystalizes the sugar into a block if they do not use it fast. Don in NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:38:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Sep 1999 19:43:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 2 12:45:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust239.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20772 If we let them swarm they will die anyway and give mites unrestricted access to them. Some may however survive and become resistant to mites. I have a wild colony with very few mites and have not been treated. Don in NC From e-jeve@spiritone.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying workers ????? Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:44:16 GMT Organization: SpiritOne Internet 503-240-8200 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <936305050.878193@ridge.spiritone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Trace-ISP: 936305050 18294 206.98.120.56 hf7n/F71:r-wrir X-Complaints-To-ISP: abuse at spiritone dot com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20773 This was printed in the Portland Oregonian today. Sometimes I wonder about some of our University research etc. Now I quote. "Ben Oldroyd, science lecturer at Sydney University says he's discovered a genetic mutation among honeybees. It seems one in 2.5 million female worker bees rebel and lay fake eggs. Within months, all the workers begin laying eggs, the queen is toppled, workers strike and the colony crumbles. Says Oldroyd "It's really weird to watch." Gene From obriens@sky.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:33:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 936308078 209.90.4.134 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:34:38 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:34:38 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20774 workerbee wrote in message <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net>... >If we let them swarm they will die anyway and give mites unrestricted >access to them. Some may however survive and become resistant to mites. >I have a wild colony with very few mites and have not been treated. >>Don in NC > That's what I mean; it seems if we would leave them alone for a few years and let them go wild, everyone would benefit. It seems to me to be analogous to letting a farm go to fallow every few years to re-enrich the soil. Yes, some of you large beekeepers would lose money for a couple years, but the alternative is you are going to be losing everything in a few more years, unless a resistant strain is found. John O'Brien From a.beamish@virgin.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Alan Beamish" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chalk Brood ? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:05:15 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Message-ID: <7qmlfo$abn$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-289-virgin3.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 936302904 10615 194.168.241.34 (2 Sep 1999 20:08:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:08:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20775 I'd be grateful for some ideas on diagnosing and treating a problem with my two colonies. It looks to me a little like chalk brood, except there is no evidence of rock-hard larvae, which I thought was a symptom of chalk brood. The number of frames containing brood seems to be reduced for this time of year (probably only about 4 filled frames on National hives, with plenty of empty cells). The areas of sealed brood are peppered with cells which are unsealed ( or have been uncapped ) but the larvae seem to be developing OK. There is no sign of varroa on these developing larvae and both colonies have been healthy all season. One of the colonies is slightly affected on one frame only; I am reluctant to remove the frame because it contains mostly healthy brood. The other hive is more severely affected. All contributions gratefully received ! Many Thanks , Alan Beamish From honeybs@radix.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:10:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7qmqvc$o38$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20776 "John O'Brien" wrote: >I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are >contributing to the demise of the honey bee. >I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees >from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? >Any thoughts about this, pro or con? >John O'Brien Give us enought time and we will kill them. Let the government get involved and the job will be done much faster. It's sad but true, we often do more harm than good. By developing resistant mites and moving the parasites all over the earth does the worst harm. On the other hand the honeybee has been around for over 50,000,000 years, so it may just survive us too! There is hope. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From a.beamish@virgin.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Alan Beamish" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:12:35 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7qmltg$ak3$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-289-virgin3.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 936303344 10883 194.168.241.34 (2 Sep 1999 20:15:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 20:15:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20777 Hardly a new idea, but I use the honey from the cappings to make mead, then render the wax by heating in distilled water. The cappings give the best quality wax, so avoid mixing with the usual clag. Alan Beamish. Peter Edwards wrote in message <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >There seems to have been very little posted to this newsgroup about how to >deal with cappings. >It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any new or novel ways of >separating the remaining honey from the wax and then converting the wax into >saleable blocks. > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Sep 3 09:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 21:30:42 GMT References: <37CE043C.2FEC@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902173042.24176.00003389@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20778 The law in it's infinite wisdom prohibits rich and poor alike from stealing bread, sleeping under bridges ,and pissing in the street. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 3 09:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalk Brood ? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:04:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7qmsu8$ca2$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qmlfo$abn$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-107.headcook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 936310536 12610 62.136.140.107 (2 Sep 1999 22:15:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 1999 22:15:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20779 Alan Beamish wrote in message <7qmlfo$abn$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net>... >I'd be grateful for some ideas on diagnosing and treating a problem with my >two colonies. It looks to me a little like chalk brood, except there is no >evidence of rock-hard larvae, which I thought was a symptom of chalk brood. > > The number of frames containing brood seems to be reduced for this time >of year (probably only about 4 filled frames on National hives, with plenty >of empty cells). The areas of sealed brood are peppered with cells which are >unsealed ( or have been uncapped ) but the larvae seem to be developing OK. >There is no sign of varroa on these developing larvae and both colonies have >been healthy all season. One of the colonies is slightly affected on one >frame only; I am reluctant to remove the frame because it contains mostly >healthy brood. The other hive is more severely affected. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Difficult to be sure without seeing it but 4 frames of brood is certainly low - most colonies round here are on at least 8 after the recent good weather and some are wall to wall - whereabouts are you? 'Bald brood' can be caused by: a poor queen (possible if you have little brood); starvation (unlikely this year unless you removed all the crop in early August and they were hit by that wet spell); wax moth damage (should be obvious). Chalk brood usually appears in the spring - not much now - and you will see the mummified remains of the larvae (can be light grey through to almost black) if not in the cells then certainly outside the entrance. Incidentally, in case you are not aware, the larvae can be distinguished >from mouldy pollen in the cells by that fact that their heads are not affected and form a small yellowish dot in the centre of the mass; when removed from the cell, mouldy pollen breaks apart easily into the original pollen loads. From busseedean@aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: busseedean@aol.com (BUSSEEDEAN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sugar Board Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 11:31:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20780 Does anyone know how to make a sugar board? A gentleman once told me that he puts one in every hive before winter just in case the bees run short of stored honey. From ernie@nospamwhro.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Sugar Board Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bef590$b5507fc0$6ba24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:17:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.107 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 936310646 198.76.162.107 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:17:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:17:26 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20781 I use a plastic division board feeder which holds a 5lb. bag of sugar in colonies which are "kinda light". -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA BUSSEEDEAN wrote in article <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com>... > Does anyone know how to make a sugar board? A gentleman once told me that he > puts one in every hive before winter just in case the bees run short of stored > honey. > From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 00:10:09 GMT References: <7qm81k$pnh$1@nntpd.databasix.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902201009.16333.00000682@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20782 >EpiPen to someone who is not in danger of anaphylactic shot would be a bad >move? Kevin? > >Can 'o worms, isn't it? OTOH, this discussion is turning into a good ok lets start off simple Epi is a fancy word for adrenaline I'm pretty sure you've all heard of that, its the stuff inside you that gets let out of the bag when you get scared out of your drawers !! We've all felt it before, heart racing,flush feeling, ready to launch to the moon at the slightest BOO !!! The epi pen gives a injection of a certain concentration of epi ( different >from that used for someone with a stopped heart ). This injection temporarly counter acts the histamine reaction that is causing someones breathing passages to close etc.. I hope this helps ya understand. OH Btw most states have good samaritin laws that protect you incase of helping someone in life or death situations. But do not rely on them, KNOW the symptoms of Anaphylaxis, Believe me ya dont wanna be stuck with one a those blasted things if ya dont have to be. The spring that drives that 1.5 inch needle is about 4 inches long and it's squeezed down to 1 inch when cocked so you can realize it's no joy unless it's really needed Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Sep 3 09:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recommendations for Maxant or Dadant equipment? Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Sep 1999 12:54:57 GMT References: <37ce0fed.1220443@news.micron.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990902085457.05991.00003547@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20783 > I am interested in upgrading my equipment so that I can use an >automatic uncapper and cappings handling system in my honey house. I >have approx. 300 hives and have been doing all extracting by hand and >working another full time job means that it takes me forever to get >all the frames uncapped and extracted. Both Dadant and Maxant have >equipment that would do the job of uncapping and handling cappings--if >you have any suggestions or recommendations regarding how to speed up >this step in processing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. I use a Maxant chain uncapper and love it. I don't want to heat my honey, and the kinds that have heated blades do heat the honey that they contact. I can taste the carmelization in the finished honey, so I don't want it. The chain uncapper is so simple that there is little to go wrong. The only thing I've ever had to do is replace bearings. I suppose someday the chains will need replacement, but it's over 15 years old, and show no sign of chain breakage yet. Some folks complain that the chain uncapper traps too much air, and makes the honey cloudy. Leaving the honey set for a couple days in a warm spot seems to take care of any such problem. We use the Maxant cappings spinner to separate the cappings and honey, again because I don't want to ruin the honey with heat. No matter what anyone says, cappings melters will badly degrade the taste of the honey that goes thru them. It's strictly bakery grade after that. Now the cappings spinner will entrain a lot of air into the honey, so it definitely will make bottled honey cloudy. This is particularly bad if the spinning drum ever hits the honey in the bottom. It seems to me that there should be more volume at the bottom for when you are running a lot of honey quickly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From amschelp@pe.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Message-ID: References: <37CE043C.2FEC@midwest.net> <19990902173042.24176.00003389@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936326628 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:43:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:43:48 EDT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:49:00 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20784 Yes, but the poor are less likely to have a pot to piss in. In article <19990902173042.24176.00003389@ng-fy1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee says... > The law in it's infinite wisdom prohibits rich and poor alike from stealing > bread, sleeping under bridges ,and pissing in the street. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > From ba@swienty.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.qis.net!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping products Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:35:37 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7qmcmd$m2o$1@news1.tele.dk> References: <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-54.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20785 www.swienty.com N MCFIELD skrev i meddelelsen <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >Where can I buy products as a beekeeper such as hives and smokers? From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Fri Sep 3 09:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:48:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37CED23C.7DE4@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 03 04:48:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20786 "John O'Brien" wrote: > That's what I mean; it seems if we would leave them alone > for a few years and let them go wild, everyone would > benefit. > It seems to me to be analogous to letting a farm > go to fallow every few years to re-enrich the soil. One problem is the vast acreages devoted to single crops -- in some areas particularly. This makes it harder for wild bees to find sufficient forage when the primary crop is out of season. And fence rows are disappearing/ disappeared in lots of places. And in cities and suburbs, dead/ hollow trees are fairly thoroughly culled, leaving little place for a colony to set up housekeeping. At least in comparison to what they might find in a landscape of a previous era. And most people try to eradicate bees if they install themselves in our walls and sheds. So where would the swarms go if every hive produced a swarm a year? All I'm saying is that mites out there waiting for them, so to speak, is just one aspect of the problem with replenishing the "feral" bees via allowing swarming behaviour to go unchecked. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. 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Contact us: av@rada1.saratov.su From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Sep 3 09:41:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 11:06:01 GMT References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20788 From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around >here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, >feeding >the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees >with >their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the >dark stinky. >what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to >go back north. > >thar i've had my friday morning say > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Ahem...... The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, or are you going to decide to move on in life? - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From adamf@radix.net Fri Sep 3 09:41:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED: Pictures of bees Date: 3 Sep 1999 08:51:29 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7qog8h$nvl$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <01bef310$4b081600$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> <7qm6m6$7g5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20789 In article <7qm6m6$7g5$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Keith Tignor wrote: >Check out the National Honey Board site (http://www.nhb.org). They have >clipart available for downloading. As far as animation, watch the newsgroup >'alt.binaries.pictures.animated.gifs'. There are animated bees posted >infrequently to the group. You can also get plenty of pics at http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Browse the archives (Woa, it's Keith. Hiya Keith. How them bees doing?) Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:10:12 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168471 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:182 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20790 In article <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate >themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. Maybe >it's an invasion? This is fascinating, and grounds for a great debate. Above, you describe a prion as "being from outer space". This description assumes that since prions do not follow any similar selective path found on Earth so far, that they must be alien. My point with the random involved in selection may explain the appearance of prions. They don't have to be "alien" to have evolved. The chance that the right selective conditions and the right situation can "extrude" if you will, something like a prion, happened. It's like the example of squeezing the balloon (I'm sorry if you didn't think it was a very good example). Prions arose from the selective pressure and the conditions at hand. Why do they have to be deemed "alien" or "from outer space"? Their presence illustrates how "random" and selection pressure can very quickly cause something to happen. Sure Prions are not like the real examples of "life" (reproductionally DNA based) forms on Earth so far. Do we have to be deterministically grounded in what can and cannot be found on Earth? I hope not. Assuming that all life or life-like entities on Earth have to be based on what one's belief system and life paradigm are, is very myopic. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:19:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7qocmq$8on$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20791 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >>actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around >>here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, >>feeding >>the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees >>with >>their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the >>dark stinky. >>what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to >>go back north. >> >>thar i've had my friday morning say >> >> >>Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Ahem...... > The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, >or are you going to decide to move on in life? > - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm The war is over? Damn, nobody tells me anything. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Posting on newsgroups Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:25:10 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20792 Howdy folks. If you start a thread on this or any other Usenet group, good for you. If you followup the thread, keeping the general idea of the thread, good for you. If you followup a thread and change the topic of the thread, please change the title of the thread, and if your newsreader actually works, begin a new thread. Of course some idiot will say that all this is restricting their freedom and that they can post whatever they want, and however they want to this and any other newsgroup. Well, they can, sadly, and then the best thing to do is to put them into you killfile if your newsreader has that capability. (I suggest you obtain a newsreader that does.) Posting and Usenet etiquette can be found on the newsgroup news.answers and news.announce.newusers along with tons and tons of cool stuff. For you WWW based people the following URLs are very very handy: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html Happy posting! Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:32:10 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20793 In article <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net>, Adam J. Finkelstein wrote: >Of course some idiot will say that all this is restricting their freedom and >that they can post whatever they want, and however they want to this and >any other newsgroup. Well, they can, sadly, and then the best thing to do >is to put them into you killfile if your newsreader has that capability. >(I suggest you obtain a newsreader that does.) Example. I'm adding to the thread above. Sorry if this is oversimplified, but maybe it's not too obvious. For Killfile information: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/part1/index.html -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hey! It's a new thread! Date: 3 Sep 1999 09:55:39 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7qok0r$es$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qbjdv$vsr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: Topic changes, title changes, or thread changes. Can you say that? Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20794 In article <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net>, Real Name wrote: >Hi, > > We're getting too political, >to post this sort of material in a >beekeeping newsgroup . > > But, I rarely pass up an opportunity >to rant . Great! Rant away, it's your prerogative. Please change the article tile, so we can decide if we want to read your rant or not. Or, you can begin a new thread. Nothing is off-topic as long as a poster follows the posting conventions previously established. :-) Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sat Sep 4 06:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 12:32:04 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990903083204.16074.00000384@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20795 In article , "John O'Brien" writes: >I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are >contributing to the demise of the honey bee. > >I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees >from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? Well I'm not gonna' raise my livestock (at great expense) and then let them run off to go wild in the woods. I'm gonna' keep my "calves," if I possibly can. Be my guest, if you want to restock the wild. But, if you are in a populated area, you may get your neighbors plenty sore at you, if they realize your swarm took up in their wall. There was a day when wild bees survived easily and propagated freely. That was before AFB, chalkbrood, two kinds of parasitic mites, one parasitic beetle, monoculture, intense pesticide use, suburbanite paranoia, hedgerow removal, clearcut logging, and a host of other things that make survival in the wild less and less likely. We may regret it, but we can't change it. We've domesticated the honeybee, as much as it can be domesticated, and it is almost impossible for it to survive on its own. If we find a bee that's tough enough to live and propagate in the wild, it'll probably be a killer bee...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From swehe@earthlink.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problem Hive Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:46:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 3 Sep 1999 15:45:46 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Sep 3 08:55:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip85.san-antonio6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20796 Hey y'all, I need a little help with my two hives. Did a hive check yesterday (we won't discuss my one sting that caused my left eye to swell shut), and found one very healthy hive with at least 60 lbs of honey and one with two full supers of brood and very little honey. I put the feeder on the second hive and they're going through it like they're starving. Both of these were packages established in March of this year. Do I simply have an over productive queen? Can I go ahead and medicate since I obviously won't be harvesting honey from the second hive? The hive was very aggressive (hence the sting), was this due to the lack of stored food? Any suggestions to prevent this from happening again? BTW, the hive has two large supers on bottom and one honey super on top (which they haven't utilized), do I need to change the configuration? I'm in South Central Texas, how much honey should I leave on the productive hive? Thank you for any help. susan, who will now tuck her ponytail in her shirt to prevent the veil >from getting caught on it From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:58:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 10:45:00 GMT References: <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20797 >All I'm saying is that mites out there waiting for them, so to speak, is >just one aspect of the problem with replenishing the "feral" bees via >allowing swarming behaviour to go unchecked. > >~ actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, feeding the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees with their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the dark stinky. what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to go back north. thar i've had my friday morning say Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:01:32 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: <37d01eab.4232147@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20798 Hi, The War's ended ? Who said that ? You mean the Stars and Bars is the New York State Flag, now ? Finally ! Ken . On 03 Sep 1999 11:06:01 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) > >>actually i think its all that yankee manure being put into the ground around >>here. Before the invasion began all we had was good ole southern crap, >>feeding >>the plants and grass throughout the forest and dell, now them dang yankees >>with >>their strange foods and drinks are poisoning our land with their glow in the >>dark stinky. >>what we needs is a constipation that'll attack em with the only cure being to >>go back north. >> >>thar i've had my friday morning say >> >> >>Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Ahem...... > > The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, >or are you going to decide to move on in life? > > - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. > > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers ????? Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:01:34 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <37d1225a.5175389@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <936305050.878193@ridge.spiritone.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20799 Hi, Old time bekeepers have known this since shortly after the turn of the century . Most bees a black, and yellow/orange colors . But some are black/red . The red looks a lot like orange, and the laying workers hide among the foragers that way, but a watchful beekeeper can always tell in advance which bees are out to cause trouble . Also, just as queens make a distinctive sound, though it may be too late to save the hive, you can always tell when the deep orange bees are around, from the deep orange sounds coming from the queen's retinue . Ken . On 2 Sep 1999 20:44:16 GMT, "gene/janice" wrote: >This was printed in the Portland Oregonian today. >Sometimes I wonder about some of our University >research etc. Now I quote. >"Ben Oldroyd, science lecturer at Sydney University >says he's discovered a genetic mutation among honeybees. >It seems one in 2.5 million female worker bees rebel and lay >fake eggs. Within months, all the workers begin laying eggs, >the queen is toppled, workers strike and the colony crumbles. >Says Oldroyd "It's really weird to watch." > > > > > Gene > > From awm@skyshots.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 4 06:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!skyshots.demon.co.uk!awm From: Alan Mackie Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:20:59 +0100 Organization: AWM Enterprises Message-ID: References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk:193.237.18.154 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936396565 nnrp-10:29095 NO-IDENT skyshots.demon.co.uk:193.237.18.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu uk.misc:168593 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:184 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20800 Adam, >Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >>Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate >>themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. Maybe >>it's an invasion? And you replied: >This is fascinating, and grounds for a great debate. Above, you describe a >prion as "being from outer space". Nope, he didn't. Therefore the rest of your argument is spurious at best /and/ off-topic. Why not try it in a newsgroup devoted to reading and comprehension skills? But please, not in here. -- Alan ____________ Alan Mackie, Owner/Manager of Skyshots Aerial Photography - www.skyshots.demon.co.uk From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor not available. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:59:47 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.106.98 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 936396011 17663 12.73.106.98 (3 Sep 1999 22:00:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 1999 22:00:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20801 Today I pulled last of honey supers to begin medication for the fall. I understood an extractor was available but now find it isn't. Have medicated all but two hives. My question - Can I simply load all the honey supers >from several different hives on the unmedicated hives until the extractor becomes available or must I seek an alternative to keeping the honey . -- Howard Bowles For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 1999 23:57:10 GMT References: <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990903195710.05919.00003833@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20802 > >I should have mentioned that not all the honey is sealed. > stack it on the un me3dicated will be ok Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:05:04 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.105.31 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 936399928 18552 12.73.105.31 (3 Sep 1999 23:05:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 1999 23:05:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20803 I should have mentioned that not all the honey is sealed. H Bowles From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:58:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Sep 1999 00:01:08 GMT References: <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990903200108.05919.00003838@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20804 >The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nu ah...which war was that ? hehehehee Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From honeybs@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:41:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7qpo6f$crs$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20805 "Howard Bowles" wrote: >I should have mentioned that not all the honey is sealed. >H Bowles Well if it ain't sealed, then you don't need an extractor. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:40:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7qpo47$crs$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20806 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net>, >Adam J. Finkelstein wrote: >>Of course some idiot will say that all this is restricting their freedom and >>that they can post whatever they want, and however they want to this and >>any other newsgroup. Well, they can, sadly, and then the best thing to do >>is to put them into you killfile if your newsreader has that capability. >>(I suggest you obtain a newsreader that does.) >Example. I'm adding to the thread above. Sorry if this is oversimplified, >but maybe it's not too obvious. >For Killfile information: >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/part1/index.html >-- >Adam J. Finkelstein >adamf@radix.net >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Yes we understand, but is it ok to answer your own post? It seems sorta like talkin to yourself. 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URL Submissions tools! 1928 Lines: 29 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:24:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.5.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com 936404699 24.112.5.126 (Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:24:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:24:59 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:36857 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20807 sci.agriculture.fruit:2995 Wouldn't you like to make enough FREE money to pay for at least your internet connection every month, or even enough to pay your bills every month, or possibly more? http://members.tripod.com/Sherpa76/ Come to my site and take a look at the 'Pay for Surfing' companies that I have compiled together. These are all the best ways to make money for surfing the net. All free money! The only thing is, you have to download their advertising banner program and display it on your screen while you surf. If you banner is on, your raking in the cash. Also you can refer friends, family, colleages to this and make money for how much they surf the net! Come check these sites out now. The sooner you start the sooner your checks start coming. http://members.tripod.com/Sherpa76/ Also if youre unsure about all this, just checkout the site and look at the press releases about the companies that are doing this. Have a great time surfing and make money! Sherpa sofeiswuowddprc From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: 3 Sep 1999 21:36:57 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7qpt3p$abr$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qpo47$crs$2@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20808 In article <7qpo47$crs$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >>Example. I'm adding to the thread above. Sorry if this is oversimplified, >>but maybe it's not too obvious. >Yes we understand, but is it ok to answer your own post? It >seems sorta like talkin to yourself. It was an example. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:40:36 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7qptbd$srf$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <7qpo6f$crs$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.106.90 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 936409261 29551 12.73.106.90 (4 Sep 1999 01:41:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 1999 01:41:01 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20809 I just provided the basic facts in my first post. Here are more. This is the second setting of supers on these hives. Pulled the first set in late July, all sealed, very good yield for not having moved them. Given our unpredictable fall weather here in western Washington it is now the time to medicate, esp. if using menthol. Since I haven't and don't want to expose these supers to any type of medication its time to pull the supers. Its very unlikely the supers would be sealed by time fall weather, i.e., cool rainy weather, arrives. Any honey that 'shakes out' of a frame is set out for the bees. Any capped and 'unshakeable' honey is extracted for emergency winter feeding - our winter weather can run into late May. I just didn't want the supers sitting around absorbing moisture while waiting for extractor. Guess its time to find a good used one. Beekeeping started out as a hobby; now more hives, more work - beginning to feel like work. honeybs wrote in message <7qpo6f$crs$3@news1.Radix.Net>... >"Howard Bowles" wrote: > > >>I should have mentioned that not all the honey is sealed. > >>H Bowles > > >Well if it ain't sealed, then you don't need an extractor. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From jrmars@tricon.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1L_z3.3424$Fc.320185@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.80 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936409149 216.98.71.80 (Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:39:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:39:09 EDT Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:39:09 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20810 The queen is not over productive and yes go ahead and medicate now. You may need to feed your bees until the fall flowers are in full bloom and the bees can make some fall honey....assuming they make fall honey in your area. One sting is nothing but if you really think the hive is all that aggressive you can requeen now or in the spring. You probably should leave the equivalent of one medium depth super of honey for the winter but check with beekeepers in your area. John R. In article <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net>, swehe@earthlink.net says... > >Hey y'all, > I need a little help with my two hives. Did a hive check yesterday (we >won't discuss my one sting that caused my left eye to swell shut), and >found one very healthy hive with at least 60 lbs of honey and one with >two full supers of brood and very little honey. I put the feeder on the >second hive and they're going through it like they're starving. Both of >these were packages established in March of this year. > Do I simply have an over productive queen? Can I go ahead and medicate >since I obviously won't be harvesting honey from the second hive? The >hive was very aggressive (hence the sting), was this due to the lack of >stored food? Any suggestions to prevent this from happening again? >BTW, the hive has two large supers on bottom and one honey super on top >(which they haven't utilized), do I need to change the configuration? >I'm in South Central Texas, how much honey should I leave on the >productive hive? > Thank you for any help. > > > >susan, who will now tuck her ponytail in her shirt to prevent the veil >from getting caught on it > From cde049@airmail.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!juniper.cis.uab.edu!cis.uab.edu!news1.ecnet.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:23:06 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7D348CBC071806A6.50E505A9965E3AEC.52B10F4A981574EB@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7qpvo6$klb@library1.airnews.net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qpo47$crs$2@news1.Radix.Net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Sep 3 21:21:58 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`H'E1k-VqP3F1% (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20811 > Yes we understand, but is it ok to answer your own post? It > seems sorta like talkin to yourself. > > Greg the beekeep I guess as long as you don't start an argument with yourself and then go off topic it should be O.K. From cde049@airmail.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!juniper.cis.uab.edu!cis.uab.edu!news1.ecnet.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:16:39 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 21 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7qpvo5$klb@library1.airnews.net> References: <19990903064500.27480.00004036@ng-cr1.aol.com> <19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Sep 3 21:21:57 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`H'E1k-VqP3F1% (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20812 Dave Green (obviously another a tham Yankeys) wrote in message news:19990903070601.00442.00003806@ng-da1.aol.com...(In a attack on a true son of the south) > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) > Ahem...... > > The war ended more than a century ago. Are you going to nurse this forever, > or are you going to decide to move on in life? > > - Typical southern problem.....other folks pick other grudges to nurse. While the Invasion ended over a century ago, the depravations still continue, the single worst crime against the South was the invention of Freeon . It is what causes all these people to go around complaining about this terrible heat "Why, it is over 100 d." Tha fact that it is Texas in August has no bearing on them. If I wanted it cold I'd live in the north. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sat Sep 4 06:58:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 03:09:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7qq2gc$g0h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990903083204.16074.00000384@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 04 03:09:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 cache1.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE4), 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.40, 216.138.56.15 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20813 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > We may regret it, but we can't change it. We've domesticated the honeybee, > as much as it can be domesticated, and it is almost impossible for it to > survive on its own. If we find a bee that's tough enough to live and > propagate in the wild, it'll probably be a killer bee...... The honeybee (colony by colony, of course, rather than individually) could and did survive on its own in nature/ in the wild. What it can't survive in very well without human supervision is the severely human-altered landscape we live in today. The landscape you describe quite well: of monoculture, et al. We've bred certain traits into and out of our bees, to be sure, but we've changed the world we and they share more than we've changed them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:04:05 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37D08C25.1CF3@midwest.net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qpo47$crs$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7D348CBC071806A6.50E505A9965E3AEC.52B10F4A981574EB@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20814 dewitt wrote: > > > Yes we understand, but is it ok to answer your own post? It > > seems sorta like talkin to yourself. > > > > Greg the beekeep > > I guess as long as you don't start an argument with yourself and then go off > topic it should be O.K. Its ok to talk to yourself, its ok to argue with yourself - its when you ask yourself a question and answer, huh? that you should suspect a problem... AL From swehe@earthlink.net Sat Sep 4 06:58:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:13:04 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> <1L_z3.3424$Fc.320185@news21b.ispnews.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Sep 1999 05:12:11 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Sep 3 22:15:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 62 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip28.san-antonio6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20815 Hi John, It just surprised me to see two full deep supers filled with brood and very little honey present and none in the honey super. I've got the feed on them as I certainly don't want to lose them. I'm beginning to think our recent lack of rainfall is the primary problem in all of this. As to the sting, I tend to react badly to even a single sting and with my face swollen and my purplish eye swollen shut, I look like I need the number of the Battered women's shelter. I was wearing all the proper gear but somehow one of my little ladies tried sharing my veil with me... ah well... that's the risk we take. The hive was aggressive when compared to my other one but certainly less aggressive than others that I've seen in other yards. When you say medium super, about how many frames would that be in a deep super? 5 perhaps? 3? 7? I'm just looking for a translation :) Thanks for answering in any case. susan "John R." wrote: > > The queen is not over productive and yes go ahead and medicate now. You > may need to feed your bees until the fall flowers are in full bloom and > the bees can make some fall honey....assuming they make fall honey in > your area. One sting is nothing but if you really think the hive is all > that aggressive you can requeen now or in the spring. You probably > should leave the equivalent of one medium depth super of honey for the > winter but check with beekeepers in your area. > > John R. > > In article <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net>, swehe@earthlink.net > says... > > > >Hey y'all, > > I need a little help with my two hives. Did a hive check > yesterday (we > >won't discuss my one sting that caused my left eye to swell shut), and > >found one very healthy hive with at least 60 lbs of honey and one with > >two full supers of brood and very little honey. I put the feeder on > the > >second hive and they're going through it like they're starving. Both > of > >these were packages established in March of this year. > > Do I simply have an over productive queen? Can I go ahead and > medicate > >since I obviously won't be harvesting honey from the second hive? The > >hive was very aggressive (hence the sting), was this due to the lack of > >stored food? Any suggestions to prevent this from happening again? > >BTW, the hive has two large supers on bottom and one honey super on top > >(which they haven't utilized), do I need to change the configuration? > >I'm in South Central Texas, how much honey should I leave on the > >productive hive? > > Thank you for any help. > > > > > > > >susan, who will now tuck her ponytail in her shirt to prevent the veil > >from getting caught on it > > From honeybs@radix.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:56:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7qr6op$s78$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <7qpo6f$crs$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7qptbd$srf$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20816 "Howard Bowles" wrote: >I just provided the basic facts in my first post. Here are more. >This is the second setting of supers on these hives. Pulled the first set >in late July, all sealed, very good yield for not having moved them. >Given our unpredictable fall weather here in western Washington it is now >the time to medicate, esp. if using menthol. Since I haven't and don't want >to expose these supers to any type of medication its time to pull the >supers. Its very unlikely the supers would be sealed by time fall weather, >i.e., cool rainy weather, arrives. >Any honey that 'shakes out' of a frame is set out for the bees. Any capped >and 'unshakeable' honey is extracted for emergency winter feeding - our >winter weather can run into late May. >I just didn't want the supers sitting around absorbing moisture while >waiting for extractor. Guess its time to find a good used one. Beekeeping >started out as a hobby; now more hives, more work - beginning to feel like >work. You can store it in a freezer. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pacman-biz@mindspring.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "the game man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, X-LARGE un-identified WASP-BEE living in my YARD Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:46:24 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7qr3ul$9g9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7qfv58$a3m$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> <19990831091058.00441.00002205@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9d.b5 X-Server-Date: 4 Sep 1999 12:39:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20817 Dave, >Sounds like a cicada killer. They are harmless, though I wouldn't grab one >in my hands. - All part of the balance of nature..... >Dave Green I picked up a book regarding insects, and it claimed the female cicada killer has "one of the most severe stings of all bees and wasps". Kind of hard for me to believe that **it's harmless** to my children playing in my back yard within 5 feet of where dozens and dozens will emerge this spring. In the *ballance of nature* the strongest and smartest usually survive. The mother of my children destroyed its nest. Best regards, Brett Slack From midnitebee@cybertours.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "HP Authorized Customer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: updated/web site Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:27:00 -0500 Lines: 14 Organization: hhhh X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.81.45 Message-ID: <37d16507.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Sep 1999 14:29:27 -0500, 209.222.81.45 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!209.222.81.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20818 Hello, I have just updated "Bee Articles". http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee More articles to bee published..stay turned. Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:36:17 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7qrors$5me$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> <1L_z3.3424$Fc.320185@news21b.ispnews.com> <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.122.60 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 936470204 5838 12.73.122.60 (4 Sep 1999 18:36:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 1999 18:36:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20819 Susan Wehe wrote in message <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net>... edit > As to the sting, I tend to react badly to even a single sting and with >my face swollen and my purplish eye swollen shut, I look like I need the >number of the Battered women's shelter. I was wearing all the proper >gear but somehow one of my little ladies tried sharing my veil with >me... ah well... that's the risk we take. The hive was aggressive when >compared to my other one but certainly less aggressive than others that >I've seen in other yards. Assuming you are not truly allergic to bee stings, some people have found it useful to take an over-the-counter antihistime prior to handling their hives. It doesn't stop the any stings but often mitigates the swelling. H. Bowles From tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: tom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Storing supers Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:04:07 +0100 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936474498 nnrp-07:20691 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20820 Now that the season is over for most of us in the UK, we must think of storing away supers for winter. There are in general, two schools of thought. 1 Store dry after letting the bees clean them out, and 2 Store wet, to reduce wax moth infestation. My query is: has anyone had problems with the residue in wet stored combs fermenting over winter? -- tom From lazyacres@webhart.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!nntp.cadvision.com!newsfeed.interlog.com!154.11.168.195.MISMATCH!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net> From: lazyacres farm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pasteurising honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:42:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.171.24.57 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 936481249 209.171.24.57 (Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:40:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:40:49 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20821 Hello, my husband and I just took off our first honey ever. It tastes great, but it is a bright yellow. Would it be this colour, actually sort of a greeny-yellow due to the bees picking up certain colours in the fields? How does one pasteurize honey? And how does someone make creamy honey? Marny From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Posting on newsgroups Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:54:01 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37d1813d.6555507@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7qoi7m$qsd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qoikq$rh7$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7qpo47$crs$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7D348CBC071806A6.50E505A9965E3AEC.52B10F4A981574EB@lp.airnews.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20822 Hi, You don't watch old movies, do you ? It's when your arguments with yourself turn violent, that you have to start worrying . Ken . On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:23:06 -0500, "dewitt" wrote: > >> Yes we understand, but is it ok to answer your own post? It >> seems sorta like talkin to yourself. >> >> Greg the beekeep > > >I guess as long as you don't start an argument with yourself and then go off >topic it should be O.K. > > From jrmars@tricon.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> <1L_z3.3424$Fc.320185@news21b.ispnews.com> <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 99 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.89 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936497960 216.98.71.89 (Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:19:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:19:20 EDT Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 02:19:20 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20823 Susan, What I mean by a medium super is the 6 5/8" high Illinois super which is bigger than a standard honey super. So I'm talking about 9 to 10 frames of honey in such a super or you could go with two honey supers. I too react rather badly to stings especially on the face. I take a monthly desensitization shot which works very nicely. Does your veil zip into your suit? If not, I highly recommend you get a veil that zips into your suit. If you or a friend is good at sewing, you can buy a zipper and do yourself at a fraction of the cost of buying such a setup brand new. If will save you untold misery and you can take that to the bank. John R. In article <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net>, swehe@earthlink.net says... > >Hi John, > It just surprised me to see two full deep supers filled with brood and >very little honey present and none in the honey super. I've got the >feed on them as I certainly don't want to lose them. I'm beginning to >think our recent lack of rainfall is the primary problem in all of >this. > As to the sting, I tend to react badly to even a single sting and with >my face swollen and my purplish eye swollen shut, I look like I need the >number of the Battered women's shelter. I was wearing all the proper >gear but somehow one of my little ladies tried sharing my veil with >me... ah well... that's the risk we take. The hive was aggressive when >compared to my other one but certainly less aggressive than others that >I've seen in other yards. > When you say medium super, about how many frames would that be in a >deep super? 5 perhaps? 3? 7? I'm just looking for a translation :) >Thanks for answering in any case. > > > >susan > >"John R." wrote: >> >> The queen is not over productive and yes go ahead and medicate now. You >> may need to feed your bees until the fall flowers are in full bloom and >> the bees can make some fall honey....assuming they make fall honey in >> your area. One sting is nothing but if you really think the hive is all >> that aggressive you can requeen now or in the spring. You probably >> should leave the equivalent of one medium depth super of honey for the >> winter but check with beekeepers in your area. >> >> John R. >> >> In article <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net>, swehe@earthlink.net >> says... >> > >> >Hey y'all, >> > I need a little help with my two hives. Did a hive check >> yesterday (we >> >won't discuss my one sting that caused my left eye to swell shut), and >> >found one very healthy hive with at least 60 lbs of honey and one with >> >two full supers of brood and very little honey. I put the feeder on >> the >> >second hive and they're going through it like they're starving. Both >> of >> >these were packages established in March of this year. >> > Do I simply have an over productive queen? Can I go ahead and >> medicate >> >since I obviously won't be harvesting honey from the second hive? The >> >hive was very aggressive (hence the sting), was this due to the lack of >> >stored food? Any suggestions to prevent this from happening again? >> >BTW, the hive has two large supers on bottom and one honey super on top >> >(which they haven't utilized), do I need to change the configuration? >> >I'm in South Central Texas, how much honey should I leave on the >> >productive hive? >> > Thank you for any help. >> > >> > >> > >> >susan, who will now tuck her ponytail in her shirt to prevent the veil >> >from getting caught on it >> > > From jrmars@tricon.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.89 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936498361 216.98.71.89 (Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:26:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:26:01 EDT Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 02:26:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20824 Why on earth would you want to pasteurize honey????? Please elaborate. John R. In article <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net>, lazyacres@webhart.net says... > >Hello, my husband and I just took off our first honey ever. It tastes >great, but it is a bright yellow. Would it be this colour, actually >sort of a greeny-yellow due to the bees picking up certain colours in >the fields? How does one pasteurize honey? And how does someone make >creamy honey? >Marny > From swehe@earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:10:48 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> <1L_z3.3424$Fc.320185@news21b.ispnews.com> <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 Sep 1999 03:09:54 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Sep 4 20:15:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 119 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip206.san-antonio5.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37D1DF38.86E83202@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20825 John, Thanks for clarifying the super question. This is the first year we've had enough honey to harvest. Last year, I underestimated the fire ant problem and the hives were overwhelmed. This year the hives are on specially designed platforms that have built in moats to keep the ants (or other crawling critters) from the hives. I don't want to start all over again and so my main concern is seeing the hives through the fall and winter, so that we have pollinators in the spring for the orchard. As to the veil, no it doesn't zip. As to the sting, I react that way, no matter where I got stung. Anywhere on my arms or upper body and I get swelling around my face. Yes, I know that's dangerous, and yes, I have an Epipen because although a bee sting is bothersome, a wasp sting can cause me to stop breathing. I'm thinking that the investment in a full suit would be a good one, I just haven't sprung for it yet. Thanks again! susan "John R." wrote: > > Susan, > What I mean by a medium super is the 6 5/8" high Illinois super which > is bigger than a standard honey super. So I'm talking about 9 to 10 > frames of honey in such a super or you could go with two honey supers. > I too react rather badly to stings especially on the face. I take a > monthly desensitization shot which works very nicely. Does your veil > zip into your suit? If not, I highly recommend you get a veil that zips > into your suit. If you or a friend is good at sewing, you can buy a > zipper and do yourself at a fraction of the cost of buying such a > setup brand new. If will save you untold misery and you can take that > to the bank. > > John R. > > In article <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net>, swehe@earthlink.net > says... > > > >Hi John, > > It just surprised me to see two full deep supers filled with > brood and > >very little honey present and none in the honey super. I've got the > >feed on them as I certainly don't want to lose them. I'm beginning to > >think our recent lack of rainfall is the primary problem in all of > >this. > > As to the sting, I tend to react badly to even a single sting > and with > >my face swollen and my purplish eye swollen shut, I look like I need > the > >number of the Battered women's shelter. I was wearing all the proper > >gear but somehow one of my little ladies tried sharing my veil with > >me... ah well... that's the risk we take. The hive was aggressive when > >compared to my other one but certainly less aggressive than others that > >I've seen in other yards. > > When you say medium super, about how many frames would that be > in a > >deep super? 5 perhaps? 3? 7? I'm just looking for a translation :) > >Thanks for answering in any case. > > > > > > > >susan > > > >"John R." wrote: > >> > >> The queen is not over productive and yes go ahead and medicate now. > You > >> may need to feed your bees until the fall flowers are in full bloom > and > >> the bees can make some fall honey....assuming they make fall honey in > >> your area. One sting is nothing but if you really think the hive is > all > >> that aggressive you can requeen now or in the spring. You probably > >> should leave the equivalent of one medium depth super of honey for > the > >> winter but check with beekeepers in your area. > >> > >> John R. > >> > >> In article <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net>, swehe@earthlink.net > >> says... > >> > > >> >Hey y'all, > >> > I need a little help with my two hives. Did a hive check > >> yesterday (we > >> >won't discuss my one sting that caused my left eye to swell shut), > and > >> >found one very healthy hive with at least 60 lbs of honey and one > with > >> >two full supers of brood and very little honey. I put the feeder on > >> the > >> >second hive and they're going through it like they're starving. > Both > >> of > >> >these were packages established in March of this year. > >> > Do I simply have an over productive queen? Can I go ahead > and > >> medicate > >> >since I obviously won't be harvesting honey from the second hive? > The > >> >hive was very aggressive (hence the sting), was this due to the lack > of > >> >stored food? Any suggestions to prevent this from happening again? > >> >BTW, the hive has two large supers on bottom and one honey super on > top > >> >(which they haven't utilized), do I need to change the > configuration? > >> >I'm in South Central Texas, how much honey should I leave on the > >> >productive hive? > >> > Thank you for any help. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >susan, who will now tuck her ponytail in her shirt to prevent the > veil > >> >from getting caught on it > >> > > > From murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:06:27 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 936519932 nnrp-03:20847 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20826 In article , tom writes >Now that the season is over for most of us in the UK, we must think of >storing away supers for winter. There are in general, two schools of >thought. >1 Store dry after letting the bees clean them out, and >2 Store wet, to reduce wax moth infestation. >My query is: has anyone had problems with the residue in wet stored >combs fermenting over winter? I would recommend storing them wet. The risk of wax moth is generally greater than that of fermentation. Also the bees will quickly rectify any problems in that direction when the combs go back on in spring, but severe wax moth trouble needs new foundation and the attendant work of preparation and fitting. Keep them in a dry place and seal the stacks to prevent robbers gaining access. This is what we do and have no great moth problems, except if they have to be stored for more than one year. However, if you live in an area where Greater Wax Moth is present, direct moth control measures must also be taken. Hope this helps. Murray -- Murray McGregor From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 04:24:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-39.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936525266 53114 209.130.165.39 (5 Sep 1999 09:54:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 09:54:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20827 I don't understand why people think honey needs to be pasteurized. Terms like raw, unfiltered, unpolished, organic are so vague...pure honey (capped and taken right from the comb) has a high "sugar" content and a low moisture level that bacteria and other oganisms cannot live in honey. Honey can be strained or settled and "filtered" (heat or no heat) to remove pollen and wax particles but in my opinion you are removing the components that make honey so good for you! People miss the connection..."raw" honey has everything and more (value added) that you would run to a health food store and pay astronomical prices for (i.e.) bee pollen in capsule form. We, as consumers, are so brainwashed to think we need to take pills/or supplements when most foods originally contained all the vitamins and minerals we need but have all been processed out of it! Any other thoughts on this? --Busybee lazyacres farm wrote in message <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net>... >Hello, my husband and I just took off our first honey ever. It tastes >great, but it is a bright yellow. Would it be this colour, actually >sort of a greeny-yellow due to the bees picking up certain colours in >the fields? How does one pasteurize honey? And how does someone make >creamy honey? >Marny > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:20:34 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qtqvl$rj$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-86.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 936537909 883 62.136.1.86 (5 Sep 1999 13:25:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 13:25:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20828 tom wrote in message ... >Now that the season is over for most of us in the UK, we must think of >storing away supers for winter. There are in general, two schools of >thought. >1 Store dry after letting the bees clean them out, and >2 Store wet, to reduce wax moth infestation. >My query is: has anyone had problems with the residue in wet stored >combs fermenting over winter? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- I have stored wet, but found it very messy; I also feel that putting the fermented honey back on colonies in the spring is unlikely to do them much good. I now put all supers back on the hives until the first cold weather in late October or early November; by then, they are very clean and dry and the danger of wax moth damage has passed. They are then picked up and stored in unheated sheds. We have huge numbers of both wax moths, but damage to supers is very rare. Incidentally, if you are wondering how I feed colonies with the supers on top, I use fondant placed on the queen excluders with an ekes around to give the necessary clearance. At the same time I use thymol for varroa control and that goes on the queen excluder as well in an old honey jar lid. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:08:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qtqvk$rj$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <7qpk7o$i3o$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <7qpo6f$crs$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7qptbd$srf$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-86.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 936537908 883 62.136.1.86 (5 Sep 1999 13:25:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 13:25:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20829 Howard Bowles wrote in message <7qptbd$srf$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... Its very unlikely the supers would be sealed by time fall weather, >i.e., cool rainy weather, arrives. >Any honey that 'shakes out' of a frame is set out for the bees. Any capped >and 'unshakeable' honey is extracted for emergency winter feeding - our >winter weather can run into late May. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ It is irrelevant whether the honey is capped or not. As the season draws to a close, there will be uncapped frames because the bees have not yet filled them - but they will ripen the honey. If it will not shake out then it is probably fine to extract - if you can shake some out then the flow has not finished! Not a good idea to use extracted (or shaken) honey as a feed - this simply aids the spread of disease . From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:23:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7qtqvm$rj$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net> <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-86.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 936537910 883 62.136.1.86 (5 Sep 1999 13:25:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 13:25:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20830 busybee wrote in message <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >I don't understand why people think honey needs to be pasteurized> >Any other thoughts on this? > >--Busybee > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- I think that you said it all - I can only add my complete agreement! From dublgully@fuse.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reversing hive bodies Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 09:52:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37D2759E.A7AB0B25@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20831 I have a question. I have looked in the books and searched the Archives of Bee-L. Can't seem to find the answer. If it is there, I missed it. I read in many sources that in early spring you should reverse your hive bodies to get the ladies into the bottom box. Because bees usually move up during the winter to feed on the second box of food. Our bees are in their second boxes (counting from ground up) now. The first boxes all have honey and pollen. The brood is in the second. I know there has been discussion about splitting the brood and that it is not a good thing. Our hives have no brood in the bottom box. Should we reverse our boxes to get brood on the bottom and honey on the top? Before winter? Thanks Judy and Dave From BobCan@Clover.Net Wed Sep 8 06:50:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ohio Bee Farmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chlorothalonil Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:01:11 -0400 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.151.189.50 Message-ID: <37d276ad@news.clover.net> X-Trace: 5 Sep 1999 09:57:01 -0500, 209.151.189.50 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.clover.net!209.151.189.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20832 I was wondering if anyone could tell me about any possible problems using Chlorothalonil (2,4,5,6,-tetrachloroisophthalonitrile? This substance is to be added to paint to help control mildew and mold. I was going to add it to paint some of my hives and stands as I get mildew mostly on them. I have searched the archieve with no results. Thanks From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Sep 1999 14:31:10 GMT References: <37D2759E.A7AB0B25@fuse.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990905103110.29170.00001919@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20833 >no brood in the bottom box. > >Should we reverse our boxes to get brood on the bottom and honey on the >top? Before winter? > sounds like a good idea to me ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From lazyacres@webhart.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!newsfeed.interlog.com!154.11.168.195.MISMATCH!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37D2811D.C29BAA76@webhart.net> From: lazyacres farm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: the pasteurizing honey lady here Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:41:33 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.171.24.32 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 936542418 209.171.24.32 (Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:18 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20834 Hello, thank you all for advice about the pasteurizing. We just wanted to know how it was done, not that we were actually going to do it. Our first honey tastes wonderful, but can anyone tell us how creamy honey is made, not that we are going to do that either. Thanks Marny From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: the pasteurizing honey lady here Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:04:14 GMT References: <37D2811D.C29BAA76@webhart.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990905110414.21767.00003920@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20835 Earlier this year, I asked a question about heating honey, and one respondent pointed out that honey can't be pasturized because if you raised it to a high enough temperature to pasturize it, the honey would be too damaged for consumption. The only reason, as I understand it, that people heat honey is to retard granulation. Problem is, heating also retards flavor. John From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying workers ????? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:08:11 GMT References: <37d1225a.5175389@news2.i-link-2.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990905110811.21767.00003923@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20836 I don't understand. Are you sayihng that laying workers change color? And what does deep orange sound like? John From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Sep 8 06:50:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chlorothalonil Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:42:54 GMT References: <37d276ad@news.clover.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990905114254.24175.00004754@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20837 wipe stands with sponge and bleach Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Sep 8 06:50:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:48:54 GMT References: <19990905103110.29170.00001919@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990905114854.24175.00004756@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20838 Honey on top bees on bottom one or two partly filled combs in center of top box is good for going into winter because it gives the bees a place to be when using the honey in the top box. Now is better than when it gets cold becease there may be a little overlap of brood that gets widely seperated and chilled if you wait. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Sep 8 06:50:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:52:04 GMT References: <37D1DF38.86E83202@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990905115204.24175.00004759@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20839 If you are crazy enough to work bees with allergy then you are crazy enough to buy a good suit. BJ Sherriff suits are pretty damn good-I saw one on a bee inspector and was quite impressed. The price was scary about 150$ I will still patch my old zipper suit coveralls. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:36:03 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7qu66r$2ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net> <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.104.3 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 936549403 2942 12.73.104.3 (5 Sep 1999 16:36:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 16:36:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20840 The September 12, 1998 edition of Science News has as its cover story, "Honey: More Than Sweet". The report goes into some detail about studies at University of Illinois (Urbana) and Clemson U. which have shown that honeys posses surprising quantities of antioxidants. Report also goes on to discuss the amount of antioxidants found in the various types of honeys - usually the darker the honey, the more antioxidants. Report also details how food scientist are experimenting with honeys to retard spoilage in processed foods. Howard busybee wrote in message <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >I don't understand why people think honey needs to be pasteurized. Terms >like raw, unfiltered, unpolished, organic are so vague...pure honey (capped >and taken right from the comb) has a high "sugar" content and a low moisture >level that bacteria and other oganisms cannot live in honey. Honey can be >strained or settled and "filtered" (heat or no heat) to remove pollen and >wax particles but in my opinion you are removing the components that make >honey so good for you! > >People miss the connection..."raw" honey has everything and more (value >added) that you would run to a health food store and pay astronomical prices >for (i.e.) bee pollen in capsule form. We, as consumers, are so >brainwashed to think we need to take pills/or supplements when most foods >originally contained all the vitamins and minerals we need but have all been >processed out of it! > >Any other thoughts on this? > >--Busybee > >lazyacres farm wrote in message <37D19231.F6CA8F62@webhart.net>... >>Hello, my husband and I just took off our first honey ever. It tastes >>great, but it is a bright yellow. Would it be this colour, actually >>sort of a greeny-yellow due to the bees picking up certain colours in >>the fields? How does one pasteurize honey? And how does someone make >>creamy honey? >>Marny >> > > From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: the pasteurizing honey lady here Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:40:24 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7qu6f4$3j2$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <37D2811D.C29BAA76@webhart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.104.3 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 936549668 3682 12.73.104.3 (5 Sep 1999 16:41:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 1999 16:41:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20841 See "The Hive and the Honey Bee", Revised edition, pages 699-703, for a good discussion of this topic. Howard lazyacres farm wrote in message <37D2811D.C29BAA76@webhart.net>... >Hello, thank you all for advice about the pasteurizing. We just wanted >to know how it was done, not that we were actually going to do it. Our >first honey tastes wonderful, but can anyone tell us how creamy honey is >made, not that we are going to do that either. >Thanks >Marny > From beeman@kingston.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: quennless in Ontario Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 15:17:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37D2C1CA.6F3814A8@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20842 Hi All, Two weeks ago here in Eastern Ontario, I noticed that one of my hives was not as populated as I thought it should be. I checked the brood chambers and found empty frames with no brood what so ever. I waited another week and checked for a queen. I calculated this would take me up to a minimum of 28 days from that last egg (assuming I looked on the day the last bee hatched). Again I found no sign of brood so I stuck a couple of frames of brood in last week and checked again today. I found the queen wondering around the brood frames and she appeared to be well attended but the wasn't any sign of eggs anywhere. There is still an abundant population of drones but my question is if she is a dud would the bees still attend to her? Would they be confused with the brood I put in? I assumed that I should see some eggs by now. Kent From jrmars@tricon.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: quennless in Ontario From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37D2C1CA.6F3814A8@kingston.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.90 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936574496 216.98.71.90 (Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:34:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:34:56 EDT Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:34:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20843 It's not unusual for queens to quite laying at this time of the year especially if there is no fall honey flow in progress. You could try feeding sugar water to see if she can be stimulated into laying. Other than that you may just have to check on her again early next spring. John R. In article <37D2C1CA.6F3814A8@kingston.net>, beeman@kingston.net says... > >Hi All, > >Two weeks ago here in Eastern Ontario, I noticed that one of my hives >was not as populated as I thought it should be. I checked the brood >chambers and found empty frames with no brood what so ever. I waited >another week and checked for a queen. I calculated this would take me >up to a minimum of 28 days from that last egg (assuming I looked on the >day the last bee hatched). Again I found no sign of brood so I stuck a >couple of frames of brood in last week and checked again today. I found >the queen wondering around the brood frames and she appeared to be well >attended but the wasn't any sign of eggs anywhere. There is still an >abundant population of drones but my question is if she is a dud would >the bees still attend to her? Would they be confused with the brood I >put in? I assumed that I should see some eggs by now. > >Kent From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees with dangling legs Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Sep 1999 13:07:25 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990906090725.20932.00001055@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20844 The wasp type bees with dangling legs are gettiing into my building and flying at the ceiling level. In the folklore thread someone said they are bringing a message. I think there is a hive under the eves and the bees mistakenly find there way into the building. They seem to be non aggressive and are fun to watch. The folklore messsage bit is interesting too. Could anybody tell me more about these bees? thanks Al From repbees@my-deja.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:32:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.205.16 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 06 13:32:33 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.205.16 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20845 I know that using an extractor is the ideal way to extract honey, but what was used before the days of extractors- I am curious as to what method of getting the honey was, and perhaps may still be, used by those who don't have access to an extractor for one reason or another. Could the cappings be cut off the comb and it just simply placed face down over a container to catch it as it drains out? I am in my first year of dealing with bees- (don't yet consider myself to be a "Beekeeper") and a real neophyte - be gentle!! And BTW- I have noticed lately that my bees (5 Hives), one day will be a lot more aggressive than another- Weather-Mood- Just onery- or what? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mister-t@zzclinic.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37D3D678.EFFA5AA@zzclinic.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 10:58:01 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FGMO- what results have you had? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-72.clinic.net X-Trace: 6 Sep 1999 10:55:37 EST, d-p1-72.clinic.net Lines: 43 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p1-72.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20846 I posted this on the Bee List and got some response, but think most who use food grade Mineral Oil for varroa treatment have migrated off the Bee list to other places including this newsgroup. So, please read the comments below and I would appreciate your comments. Since this subjest can easily stir emotions, please try to keep them in check and be factual and tell of your experience. Location has a lot to do with FGMO's success or failure, so please include it. If you want to reply to me directly, remove the zz from clinic.net. So, here is what I posted. If you recall from my post on FGMO and essential oils, I wondered about any tests that have been run on FGMO by Dr. R.. I got an email from a participant of this list who wants to remain anonymous, and for good reason. I recall the flames from the supporters of Dr. R. which was one of the several reasons the list became moderated... even if Allan seems to want to heat things up a bit. It appears that results are in fact in, but not what was posted by Dr. R. I have edited the comments to protect the person who sent me the email. I am sure there are those on this list who either participated in the test or know someone who did and would be willing to comment. If not, email me and I will sanitize your comments. I realize that this is a poor way to do things, since it is hearsay, or even could be coming from my own pen, but you will have to trust a bit. Here is what was said. Comments appreciated. Parenthesis are mine: These studies (Dr. R's) all seemed to be started and never completed. The owners of the hives all make the observation that he (Dr. R) never returned to make the regular observations. It seemed he was merely testing application methods without regard to the results obtained. Nearly all the colonies were overwhelmed by varroa and died. I have read his experiment papers on the web site. In my considered opinion, the results he claims were obtained, were made up from whole cloth. To make the point as clear as possible, none of the beekeepers involved with his study will use the anti-varroa methods described in the studies. -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From bahaus@micron.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.micron.net!skin01.micron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bahaus@micron.net (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Cappings spinner Message-ID: <37d3eb19.304406@news.micron.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 6 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:29:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.134.213.112 X-Trace: skin01.micron.net 936631562 204.134.213.112 (Mon, 06 Sep 1999 09:26:02 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 09:26:02 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20847 I am interested in buying a cappings spinner--preferably a Maxant or some other mid-sized spinner. I have about 300 hives and recently purchased a Maxant chain uncapper to replace the hot knife I've used for years--I'd like to uncap directly into the uncapper as a way to handle the cappings. If you have one for sale, I'd like to hear from you. Thanks. ---Bill bahaus@micron.net From tcapon+@pitt.edu Wed Sep 8 06:50:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!not-for-mail From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED: Pictures of bees (gif,jpg,bmp....) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:00:53 -0400 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 43 Message-ID: <37D40F65.349516D1@pitt.edu> References: <01bef310$27bd5b60$05ec1dc3@tel.hr.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: jbddup-a-10.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FCF485E4997AD17CB7F638A3" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20848 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FCF485E4997AD17CB7F638A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out this site: http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ Has a pictures link, plus lots of links to other sites with pictures. Simon wrote: > I'll be greatfull for some pictures of bees or everything > conectetd with beekeeping. > (gif, jpeg, cdr, bmp, pic, tif, animations, ...) > Thanks in advance. > > goran.salihovic1@vz.tel.hr --------------FCF485E4997AD17CB7F638A3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="tcapon+.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tony Capon Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tcapon+.vcf" begin:vcard n:Capon;Tony tel;fax:(814) 269-7255 tel;work:(814) 269-2989 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown adr:;;104 Krebs Hall;Johnstown;PA;15904; version:2.1 email;internet:tcapon+@pitt.edu x-mozilla-cpt:;-8912 fn:Tony Capon end:vcard --------------FCF485E4997AD17CB7F638A3-- From steven.turner@zbee.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Surrey Convention 11th September 1999 Message-ID: <936644284@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:58:04 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 936645476 16942 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20849 Surrey Convention at Merrist Wood College, Worplesdon near Guildford on Saturday 11th September at 9.30-4.30 Directions from the M25, take the A3 at junction 10, leave the A3 at Slyfield Green signposted for Jacobswell & Merrow, at the roundabout by Sainsbury turn right for Jacobswell, first turning left in Jacobswell to the A320, cross over the A320 and straight on to the A322, keep right at the next roundabout, the entrance to Merrist wood is about a mile on the left and is easy to overshoot, there is some common land beyond the entrance road. Enjoy a pleasant day out See the Beenet demonstrator (Computer Beekeeping Network) STEVEN TURNER Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.kentbee.com/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! From tcapon+@pitt.edu Wed Sep 8 06:50:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!not-for-mail From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: quennless in Ontario Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:07:12 -0400 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 50 Message-ID: <37D410E0.B364A99A@pitt.edu> References: <37D2C1CA.6F3814A8@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jbddup-a-10.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ABA9A011C94C8B9D2A0B8B63" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20850 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ABA9A011C94C8B9D2A0B8B63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's possible that's she a supercedure or emergency queen that they reared and that has just recently mated. She may not have begun to lay yet. kent stienburg wrote: > Hi All, > > Two weeks ago here in Eastern Ontario, I noticed that one of my hives > was not as populated as I thought it should be. I checked the brood > chambers and found empty frames with no brood what so ever. I waited > another week and checked for a queen. I calculated this would take me > up to a minimum of 28 days from that last egg (assuming I looked on the > day the last bee hatched). Again I found no sign of brood so I stuck a > couple of frames of brood in last week and checked again today. I found > the queen wondering around the brood frames and she appeared to be well > attended but the wasn't any sign of eggs anywhere. There is still an > abundant population of drones but my question is if she is a dud would > the bees still attend to her? Would they be confused with the brood I > put in? I assumed that I should see some eggs by now. > > Kent --------------ABA9A011C94C8B9D2A0B8B63 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="tcapon+.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tony Capon Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tcapon+.vcf" begin:vcard n:Capon;Tony tel;fax:(814) 269-7255 tel;work:(814) 269-2989 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown adr:;;104 Krebs Hall;Johnstown;PA;15904; version:2.1 email;internet:tcapon+@pitt.edu x-mozilla-cpt:;-8912 fn:Tony Capon end:vcard --------------ABA9A011C94C8B9D2A0B8B63-- From amschelp@pe.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.33 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936648602 216.100.16.33 (Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:10:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 16:10:02 EDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:15:15 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20851 Is it true that a colony might starve even though they have plenty of honey stored up in their hive? How could it bee that a colony needs to be fed sugar water even though they have plenty of honey stored up? From kl@honungskruset.se Wed Sep 8 06:50:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Kurt Larsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in Creta Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:01:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7r16hn$5ch$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.116.65.196 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 06 20:01:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.116.65.196 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman8741 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20852 I'm going to visit Creta in 7th-21 of october. And want to come in contact with any beekeekper in Creta. I will live in Rethymnon. -- Kurt Larsson kl@honungskruset.se Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 15 Message-ID: <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhROrYp+WDWXEiPCf6UgNO80elgiiQIUDQXOj5nlWqmVfRPsDA1MqxBvnpA= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20853 You can do just about anything your imagination will let you. The process is not all complicated but it can be made that way if necessary. If I had no extractor, I would get a colander and catch container underneath. You will need to brace the comb/frame so the honey will drain out unless you want to crush the foundation and let it strain in the colander. A stainless steel casserole or anything up to a 5 gallon plastic bucket can be used to catch the honey. If you can get your honey temperature up to about 90 degrees F it will be much quicker to strain. Keep strained honey for about 5 days to let pieces of wax, etc. rise to the surface. Skim daily. Next, pour the honey through a nylon panty hose material stretched over the colander into a bottling bucket. Let settle a few days and your honey should be ready to put into jars, plastic bears or whatever suits your needs. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.27.155!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:15:07 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7r194t$1126$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-47.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936650717 33862 209.130.165.47 (6 Sep 1999 20:45:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 1999 20:45:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20854 Check for mites, nozema, foulbrood etc. etc. They sound like they are too weak to make it to the dinner table for whatever reason. --Busybee Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >Is it true that a colony might starve even though they have >plenty of honey stored up in their hive? How could it bee that a >colony needs to be fed sugar water even though they have plenty >of honey stored up? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:31:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-52.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 936654872 25943 62.136.14.180 (6 Sep 1999 21:54:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 1999 21:54:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20855 Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >Is it true that a colony might starve even though they have >plenty of honey stored up in their hive? How could it bee that a >colony needs to be fed sugar water even though they have plenty >of honey stored up? --------------------------------- This usually happens in hard winters when a colony starts in the centre of the brood nest and works its way to one side. It then starts to breed in early spring and finds that the brood is on one side of the brood box and the food is on the other side. The bees stay with the brood to keep it warm (this is known as the anchor effect) and starve - even though there is plenty of food within, what appears to us, easy reach. This is one area where the beekeeper can do some good in winter - by moving the full combs across the box so that they are in contact with the cluster. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:33:44 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7r1d6p$pan$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7r0fph$lbv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-52.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 936654873 25943 62.136.14.180 (6 Sep 1999 21:54:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Sep 1999 21:54:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20856 Hank Mishima wrote in message <16163-37D426F2-58@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... You can do just about anything your imagination will let you. ...Next, pour the honey through a nylon panty hose -------------------------------------------------------- ...and then you eat it??? From beeman@kingston.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: quennless in Ontario Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:49:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37D46124.C8E9A598@kingston.net> References: <37D2C1CA.6F3814A8@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20857 Yes. I'm aware that the queen will slow or stop laying in a dearth, but there is a good flow on now and the other hives have brood. I'm sure I have a new queen but since I found no brood at all a couple of weeks ago. I interpreted that to mean the last egg was laid approx. 21 days prior. This would put the time now to 31 days. I guess since the bees have not started any new supercedure cells they are currently content with her. I'll check in another week. If there are still no eggs I'll just combine. Thanks for the input. Kent From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 1999 01:33:39 GMT References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990906213339.21765.00004975@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20858 I appreciate your response Peter. Even tho' I have not encountered this yet, I always worry......Now I know what to do. Laura From fire@cyberlink.bc.ca Wed Sep 8 06:50:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff & Dee-Anne Crozier" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Storing supers Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <_a_A3.185$FY2.10003@news2.randori.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:39:48 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.239.3.163 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 936668986 204.239.3.163 (Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:49:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:49:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20859 I have found that placing sheets of newspaper between the supers takes care of any wax moths. They can't stand the smell of the ink. Anyone else done this? tom wrote in message news:aRxkTCAnRM03EwnZ@tomsp8.demon.co.uk... > Now that the season is over for most of us in the UK, we must think of > storing away supers for winter. There are in general, two schools of > thought. > 1 Store dry after letting the bees clean them out, and > 2 Store wet, to reduce wax moth infestation. > My query is: has anyone had problems with the residue in wet stored > combs fermenting over winter? > -- > tom > From ragan@mindless.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!ratbert.tds.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: Ann Schade Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: odors from the hive? Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:40:51 -0500 Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37D47B33.16735048@dfrc.wisc.edu> Reply-To: ragan@mindless.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ras-c5800-2-54-65.dialup.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20860 a month ago one of our Italian hives swarmed. after a couple of weeks the old hive finally had larva in it and we thought everything was fine. the next time we check them (1 week later) we noticed a foul smell coming from the inside of the hive. We've never had foulbrood, so have no idea what the smell is like, but we found no sunken caps, no unusual brood chambers, no bad brood...just this odd smell. also, it seems that the laying pattern is getting quite bad. The hive now consists of 2 brood chambers and 2 supers..the bees seem happy and are working...lots of pollen coming in and honey being stored. Any ideas? Thanks for any help Mike B. From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: odors from the hive? Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:49:56 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7r1usj$mia$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37D47B33.16735048@dfrc.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.88 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 936672979 23114 12.72.205.88 (7 Sep 1999 02:56:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1999 02:56:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20861 Are there asters bloomoing in your area? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Ann Schade wrote in message news:37D47B33.16735048@dfrc.wisc.edu... > a month ago one of our Italian hives swarmed. after a couple of weeks > the old hive finally had larva in it and we thought everything was > fine. the next time we check them (1 week later) we noticed a foul > smell coming from the inside of the hive. We've never had foulbrood, so > have no idea what the smell is like, but we found no sunken caps, no > unusual brood chambers, no bad brood...just this odd smell. also, it > seems that the laying pattern is getting quite bad. The hive now > consists of 2 brood chambers and 2 supers..the bees seem happy and are > working...lots of pollen coming in and honey being stored. Any ideas? > > Thanks for any help > > Mike B. > From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <18712-37D4E159-8@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7r1d6p$pan$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAj7EW2G7irNrAthLQCsUXzHmR+aMCFDl46oL5kPGB930VnPZcuDV8NREc Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20862 I eat my honey almost everyday! : ) From honeybs@radix.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: odors from the hive? Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:51:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7r2p1o$6h4$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37D47B33.16735048@dfrc.wisc.edu> <7r1usj$mia$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20863 "George Styer" wrote: >Are there asters bloomoing in your area? >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Is it that time of year already? It's getting to the point that you can tell the season by the posts. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: odors from the hive? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 1999 11:12:10 GMT References: <37D47B33.16735048@dfrc.wisc.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990907071210.28295.00004465@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20864 >..lots of pollen coming in and honey being stored. Any ideas? > aster honey Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Sep 8 06:50:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: odors from the hive? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 1999 12:34:41 GMT References: <37D47B33.16735048@dfrc.wisc.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990907083441.00436.00005719@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20865 Stink Season here in CT USA also Goldenrod/aster bloom period. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jesse.hunter@bms.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news-hpwdmz.net.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey! It's a new thread! Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:50:00 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 38 Message-ID: <37D509F8.864BE878@bms.com> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37d10571.8861226@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qbjdv$vsr$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qok0r$es$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20866 This the most "off -topic" post I have seen on this NG in a long time. What is the point, I didn't realize we had such a problem here that necessitated one making such a post and then responding to them self. Thanks for the suggestion on killfiling; another post like this, and it might come in handy. :) Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exits-- "Adam J. Finkelstein" wrote: > In article <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net>, > Real Name wrote: > >Hi, > > > > We're getting too political, > >to post this sort of material in a > >beekeeping newsgroup . > > > > But, I rarely pass up an opportunity > >to rant . > > Great! Rant away, it's your prerogative. Please change the article tile, so > we can decide if we want to read your rant or not. Or, you can begin a new > thread. > > Nothing is off-topic as long as a poster follows the posting conventions > previously established. > > :-) > > Adam > -- > Adam J. Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From kess2@midwest.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Preferred Customer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping supplies??? Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:53:04 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bef91e$4d968dc0$6421ebd0@default> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20867 i am looking for sites for supplies can anyone give me a few sites. thanks hkd From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping supplies??? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:52:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7r3l4p$1te2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <01bef91e$4d968dc0$6421ebd0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-47.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936728537 62914 209.130.165.47 (7 Sep 1999 18:22:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1999 18:22:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20868 www.mannlake.com Preferred Customer wrote in message <01bef91e$4d968dc0$6421ebd0@default>... >i am looking for sites for supplies can anyone give me a few sites. >thanks >hkd From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 8 06:50:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Efficacy of permethrin as a honeybee foraging deterrent Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:17:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7r3hdb$3ie$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.niobium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 936724715 3662 62.136.20.19 (7 Sep 1999 17:18:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1999 17:18:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20869 Have just read this article in Apiacta vol 4 1998. It may be of interest to those of you in the USA having problems with spray damage. It covers studies at the University of Arizona on mature alfalfa fields and mentions the application of insecticides to blooming bermuda grass affecting bees used for pollination of melons nearby. From sbadelt@earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Steve Badelt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping products Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:19:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990901170658.27529.00000020@ng-xa1.aol.com> To: N MCFIELD X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Sep 1999 18:19:32 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Sep 7 11:45:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: globe8-3.pacesetter.com Message-ID: <37D5572F.AD1664C6@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20870 I'm just getting back into beekeeping. I used to buy everything from Walter T. Kelly Supply (specializes in beekeeping). I haven't seen them on the web. For internet based companies try: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=beekeeping http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/home.html http://www.abfnet.org/ http://www.mannlakeltd.com/ http://www.buyersindex.com/contact/3487.htm http://bee-commerce.com/ http://www.beeequipment.com/ N MCFIELD wrote: > Where can I buy products as a beekeeper such as hives and smokers? From nahal@mail.earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Neil Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:41:51 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Sep 1999 20:42:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Sep 7 13:45:18 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-209-233-212-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Message-ID: <37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20871 Howdy, I'm a s.a.b lurker who suddenly discovered yesterday that there's AN ENORMOUS volume of honeybees which have decided to nest in an outside wall of a house I am renting. There are probably 30-40 bees always buzzing around the opening to the hive, which is an open seam between the cinderblock foundation and the wood upper-structure of my house. When I sit quietly in the basement of the house, I can hear the bees buzzing in the exterior-facing walls. They've not found a way IN to the house, unless I leave a window or door open. My question: Instead of terminating the bees using a pest control company, could I buy my own apiculture equipment and start a hive of my own? Just curious :) Thanks in advance for any insight and advice! Neil From pdillon@club-internet.fr Wed Sep 8 06:50:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:29:58 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37D575C6.DC65F41@club-internet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-2-46.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 936733150 23298 195.36.155.46 (7 Sep 1999 19:39:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1999 19:39:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20872 Tom, I do not know if there is any general validity in this point: If the frames are store "wet" and small quantities of honey are left in the cells which over time crystallizes, I wonder if it will cause premature crystallization on the next crop of honey placed in those cells? Bees usually clean out cells, but I have seen residue honey sugar crystals in cells, which afterwards have been filled. If it is Rape honey then early crystallization of the following crop does occur to some extent. Peter. From barry@birkey.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping supplies??? Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:26:08 -0500 Organization: The Birkey Group, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7r3sbp$q6l$1@eve.enteract.com> References: <01bef91e$4d968dc0$6421ebd0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.150.173 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20873 http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/besuply.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ---------- In article <01bef91e$4d968dc0$6421ebd0@default>, "Preferred Customer" wrote: > i am looking for sites for supplies can anyone give me a few sites. > thanks > hkd From paulp@ims.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: All on one frame. Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:13:03 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <37D57FDE.98628BA4@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20874 While checking a hive the other day, I opened the lid and pulled one of the inner frames to have a look. The first thing I noticed was a big queen cell hanging off the middle. It had been torn open during the removal and there was a small larva in it. There was also an empty queen cup nearby. (I thought “The queen’s gone, it may be getting too late to raise a new one.” I’m near Portland Oregon.) I then saw some eggs in some cells which looked normal (standing on end, etc.). Then I notice some cells with two eggs in them. (I then thought, “I’ve got a laying worker.”) Finally I noticed a queen walking around on the comb. She wasn’t the biggest I’ve seen, but she looked to fat to be able to fly. (I let this hive raise their own queen when they swarmed about six weeks ago.) What I’m now thinking is that she’s failing, and the other bees are trying to supersede her. Are there any other thoughts on what may be going on? Is it possible to have a laying worker in there with a queen? Thanks for any suggestions. Paul From swehe@earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 06:50:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!syriaplanum.andrew.cmu.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:00:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37CFED61.659E2B39@earthlink.net> <1L_z3.3424$Fc.320185@news21b.ispnews.com> <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net> <7qrors$5me$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Sep 1999 20:59:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Sep 7 14:05:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 26 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip214.san-antonio6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37D57CD2.4E25D616@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20875 Howard, Good idea, thanks! susan Howard Bowles wrote: > > Susan Wehe wrote in message <37D0AA60.B0CA6428@earthlink.net>... > > edit > > > As to the sting, I tend to react badly to even a single sting and with > >my face swollen and my purplish eye swollen shut, I look like I need the > >number of the Battered women's shelter. I was wearing all the proper > >gear but somehow one of my little ladies tried sharing my veil with > >me... ah well... that's the risk we take. The hive was aggressive when > >compared to my other one but certainly less aggressive than others that > >I've seen in other yards. > > Assuming you are not truly allergic to bee stings, some people have found it > useful to take an over-the-counter antihistime prior to handling their > hives. It doesn't stop the any stings but often mitigates the swelling. > > H. Bowles From lennart.b-chr@get2net.dk Wed Sep 8 06:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Christiansen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:49:17 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.142.197.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@get2.net X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 936744812 129.142.197.18 (Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:53:32 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:53:32 MET DST Organization: get2net Internet Kunde Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20876 You can only start your own colony, if you get hold of a lot of bees - and the quin. If the family are established in the wall (if it has been there for more than 1-2 days), then I think it is close to impossible to get the quin out of the wall, unless you break it down! You culd make a trap that prevented the bees from getting back into your wall, place an empty hive with a new quin right beside the trap, and you will be able to get some of the bees that are flying. The rest of the family in the wall will starve >from lack of honey or water, and will eventually die. I think, it is much easier to buy a new family from another beekeper, and then poison the bees in the wall. Sorry to say! You might have some chemical tools (bee-go...?) that is legal and effektive in your country, but I don´t know of any here. Lennart Christiansen, Denmark <37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net>... >I'm a s.a.b lurker who suddenly discovered yesterday that there's AN >ENORMOUS volume of honeybees which have decided to nest in an outside >wall of a house I am renting. >..... >My question: Instead of terminating the bees using a pest control >company, could I buy my own apiculture equipment and start a hive of my >own? > >Neil From pdillon@club-internet.fr Wed Sep 8 06:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: All on one frame. Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:28:46 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <37D59FAE.A16E888C@club-internet.fr> References: <37D57FDE.98628BA4@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chartres-2-56.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 936743877 16121 195.36.131.56 (7 Sep 1999 22:37:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 1999 22:37:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20877 Paul, It sounds like your bees have managed to raise themselves a new queen. It takes quite a time for the new queen to start laying in many cases, often beekeepers give up waiting, as they think that by now surely there should be a queen laying.It may take upto 6 weeks for the evidence of laying to come through, and when it does the eggs laid for the first few days are not as one would expect: Often the queen will lay eggs- more than one in a cell. It is as if the skill of laying has to be learnt! The remains of the queen cell will be possibly the remains of a destroyed queen that was either stung by the new queen, or destroyed by the workers themselves after being satisfied with their new one. As time progresses the new queen will take on a more regal stature as she moves over the frames- usually associated with an increase in abdomen size. Leave her be, but look at the brood after a week to ensure that it is capped with the typical worker cell cap- if it is then the queen should have been properly fertilised.If it shows domed cappings then she has not.(Laying workers tend to lay eggs in a random non compact fashion!and the results are always domed drone cappings on worker cels) Best whishes Peter. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Sep 8 06:50:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 00:42:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990907204251.24169.00006256@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20878 >You might have some chemical tools (bee-go...?) that is legal and hmm bee-go the essence of vomit and skunk juice with a touch of possum pee added just for fun !! hopefully they are in the wall above the blocks, if not either love them or kill em, cause you ain't gonna get em out without tearing down the wall. It's just too great a place for a wild hive Drill em a nice hole, and thank god for local pollination, plant ya some watermelons, cantelopes, gourds,strawberrys,cucumbers etc.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37C65A42.1D7C@mindspring.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 83 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:33:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.14 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 936754667 38.11.203.14 (Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:37:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:37:47 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20879 Sorry to respond so slowly to this post but my ISP has had news server troubles for around 5 days. That seems rather odd for an ISP that considers itself one of the top five out of 15,000 nationwide. What does it all mean? Well anyway I digress: >David Smith ask: How does one attract or raise bumblebees? Well that's tricky. I don't what you can do to attract them. Probably because of extra rain this year and a lot of blooming things, I've been called out for bumblebees more this year than any before (Amarillo, Texas; lived here 17 years and I don't know why.) There's always a book to help out. Some excellent research about bumblebees has happened over the years. Unfortunately some of the books must have had a very small print run because they are monstrously expensive. I have one book I could afford called: "Bumblebee Economics" by Bernd Henrich published by the Harvard University Press. (it was around $20 in 1996) Bernd has an appendix (A) in his book titled: "How to rear Bumblebees" From my experience, of this year, with bumblebees, I would say it's a good beginning, but not all of his suggestions seemed to fit my particular situation, but that's probably the same all over, but it's a good start. I have collected four hives of bumblebees in July and August this year and in the process learned a lot and made a machine that takes the uncertainty out of the operation. I received some good advice on this list, can't find who it was now, but I guess you will know who you are, but this post said to work them at night with a red light. I found that bumblebees, while being unassuming and diligent about the flowers in the day, will fight like the Nez Pierce when their nest is disturbed. No bee suit, in my estimation, could withstand a daylight assault from their particular stinging apparatus and its unique rapid fire mechanism. It's no joke. However, at night, with the red light, they are reduced to crawling about in all directions, a sort of nightmarish sight. To overcome this problem I made up a nifty rig using a shop vac with its vacuum force reduced to the minimum required to float a bumble off into space. If everything's working right, they all get gently sucked into their own little traveling box filled with upholster's cotton, and this box also doubles as their hive box. The only tricky bit after that is removing the top for the vacuum hoses off the hive box while moving the egg cluster IN and the regular top ON in about two seconds. This way you will not loose any bees, well maybe one or two, if the hive is big and they're really pissed which of course they will be. Care and courage is required at this point in the operation; but, this is the stuff of beekeeping, what? >One biocontrol agent is selling them at $145 a hive, I have four very healthy hives contained in their little traveling boxes and would be interested in LEASING them for such an amount, EX shipping of course. Where he is, who is he? What is a biocontrol agent anyway? Does my experience make me a Bombus control agent? Just curious. Charles Kroeger *feel free to add my PGP public key to your public key ring. In these days encryption is the best way to converse privately. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzcr9rMAAAEEAL5yIZSb7FzsKNUqfUgAlDBUfAtZFQnNQslYav/55RUdt8XH RVIl8R+RkqDnbR+z/3uHQWZkpTERkgrBPjVIPGUgxWYAAgrN7SESRvgJOTVyNyWu M7Vuk0rboLQL2rw4BvdD8n+mkECrzkCJyJ5nk4UnR8u6JB4bHJF1tXrzGMUNAAUR tC5DaGFybGVzIEtyb2VnZXIgPGNrcm9ncnJAZnJhbmtlbnN0ZWluZmFjZS5jb20+ iQCVAwUQNyv29JF1tXrzGMUNAQHfqgQAqWYVpAN5yWnzTetfTJQasQnT2xFZZE7K jpzr5QuRVnPsX5p12Y8rNSAVDcnhacpYddZ/eZ/Jwi/3vFqMwp6Nq/5F6+TSsspp 3jkyI4HQyJJ95OwCxdXbQG3A1lbjmp+AejOx86neMrsebUX2TzOViCIexcoO6008 dS1mGW8kTvI= =HB6v -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 03:12:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990907231220.29235.00001406@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20880 Charlie Kroeger writes: >What is a biocontrol agent anyway? Does my experience make me a Bombus >control agent? Nice joke. I had trouble with the word bombus. It was only when I did the search for the book through the library catalogue that I discovered (if I'm correct ) bombus was another fancier word for a bumble bee. I had no luck in finding the book at the library. Al From jpa555@aol.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 03:22:23 GMT References: <37D2759E.A7AB0B25@fuse.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990907232223.21069.00006008@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20881 I'll tell you what I do. When I take off my honey supers mine are the same as yours so I what I do is I feed heavy surup and medicate with Fumidil B try to get at least 3 gallons into each hive Never reverse the hive bodys in the fall you want them to fill up the top hive body with honey for them selfs force them to lay the brood in the bottom for the winter. If you reverse the bodys now the bottom will be full of honey and the top will be brood the bees will not move down the hive to eat they will starve in the top box. Only reverse in the spring. If you have already listen to that other post reverse the bodys back the way you had them all summer long.....Have fun From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <3N7VN1FD0DB1swyd2ASEHWTZLYWq@4ax.com> References: <19990907231220.29235.00001406@ngol04.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 23:00:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.14 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 936763520 38.11.203.14 (Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:05:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:05:20 EDT Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20882 Jajwuth says: >I had no luck in finding the book at the library. the book's ISBN is 0-674-08581-7 (paper) it's out there. C.K. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Sep 10 05:36:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: attract or raise bumblebees NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 06:01:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990908020115.00443.00005959@ng-da1.aol.com> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20883 >David Smith asks: How does one attract or raise bumblebees? At the Pollination Scene, under Alternative Pollinators, is a list of articles on Bombus culture. http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Dave Green From g25778@aol.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: g25778@aol.com (G25778) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the honey? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 19:15:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990908151523.27472.00006541@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20885 This is my first year keeping bees. I got 2 hives this last spring. They did great and had the bottom hive full of brood and honey before long so I added a second hive body on each. About 2 months ago they had the 2nd hive full so I added a honey super to each hive. I used the plastic comb cassettes. To date they have done nothing in these, not even any comb. Like I said I added cassette supers about 2 months ago. The bees seem fine, good population. The last 2 months here have been hot (highs around 100) and not a whole lot of wild flowers for them, but there are some and a couple of gardens around. Could the heat and lack of a large number of flowers be why they have not done anything in the honey supers? Should they have at least drawn out some comb over the last two months? Could it be they simply don't like these plastic cassettes? Any help would be much appreciated. From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 10 05:36:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's the honey? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:10:30 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7r6fnq$2k3$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990908151523.27472.00006541@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.116 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 936821306 2691 12.72.203.116 (8 Sep 1999 20:08:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:08:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20886 They will be reluctant to go up into them, but not because they are plastic . The key to producing comb honey (even in wooden sections) is to crowd them and of course you need a good flow (which you say you don't have). Maybe take the cassettes off this year and let them finish the 2nd box. Next spring get them in 1 box and put the cassettes above a queen excluder. Make sure you manage properly otherwise they will readily swarm. There is a lot of good info on producing section comb honey. Read up over the winter. Heat does not seem to have a negative impact on my bees but I also don't try to produce any sections during the hot summers. We typically have long periods of 100+ days and judging by the amount of pollen and nectar coming in, the bees relish it. My strongest hive filled 7 1/2 mediums and 5 of these were undrawn plastic Pierco frames so I don't see that the bees discriminate against plastic (as long as there is a flow on). -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there G25778 wrote in message news:19990908151523.27472.00006541@ng-cr1.aol.com... > This is my first year keeping bees. I got 2 hives this last spring. They did > great and had the bottom hive full of brood and honey before long so I added a > second hive body on each. About 2 months ago they had the 2nd hive full so I > added a honey super to each hive. I used the plastic comb cassettes. To date > they have done nothing in these, not even any comb. Like I said I added > cassette supers about 2 months ago. The bees seem fine, good population. The > last 2 months here have been hot (highs around 100) and not a whole lot of wild > flowers for them, but there are some and a couple of gardens around. Could the > heat and lack of a large number of flowers be why they have not done anything > in the honey supers? Should they have at least drawn out some comb over the > last two months? Could it be they simply don't like these plastic cassettes? > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:27:49 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7r6gs5$5h7q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <37d19231.f6ca8f62@webhart.net> <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 936822469 000 192.168.254.73 (8 Sep 1999 20:27:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:27:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20887 thank you, thank you, thank you! just today i got my supers off and my know it all relative who has never kept a bee in his life is telling me "you have to pasterize the honey to get rid of the botulism." >People miss the connection..."raw" honey has everything and more (value >added) that you would run to a health food store and pay astronomical prices >for (i.e.) bee pollen in capsule form. We, as consumers, are so >brainwashed to think we need to take pills/or supplements when most foods >originally contained all the vitamins and minerals we need but have all been >processed out of it! > >Any other thoughts on this? > From orgnichillbilly@webtv.net Fri Sep 10 05:36:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: orgnichillbilly@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new pest threat? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <14519-37D6A5FE-22@newsd-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjpLdgBlzn1Z1/tcWVUsvjh1E84ICFQCrRMAUS6Y0Bc2wOA68Q2fwshWkSA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20888 Hi I'm a newbie here and have just been keeping bees for two years. I have heard that here in Kentucky there is another (new) insect threat in addition to the two types of mites that we have here. I heard that it might be a beetle. Is this true and if so how do you prevent and guard against it? From honeybs@radix.net Fri Sep 10 05:36:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ! ëÕÐÉÍ Ï×ÏÝÎÙÅ ÓÅÔËÉ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:01:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7r6h79$fls$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7r5kfh$msv$1@shark.aip.mk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: p32.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20889 "÷ÌÁÄ" wrote: >ëÕÐÉÍ Ï×ÏÝÎÙÅ ÓÅÔËÉ, >ÏÂßÅÍÏÍ ÏÔ 20 ÄÏ 50 ËÇ. >ôÅÌ: (80512) 36 - 60 - 03 > (80512) 50 - 04 - 92 Help, I've lost my decoder ring! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:45:18 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 936823518 000 192.168.254.73 (8 Sep 1999 20:45:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:45:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20890 hi, i dont quite understand this, are you talking about moving full combs around inthe box during the winter? do you live inthe south where it doesnt get cold? the food chamber is completely full of honey, all ten frames. i havent checked the brood chamber yet. should i move the brood frames over to one side? > >This usually happens in hard winters when a colony starts in the centre of >the brood nest and works its way to one side. It then starts to breed in >early spring and finds that the brood is on one side of the brood box and >the food is on the other side. The bees stay with the brood to keep it warm >(this is known as the anchor effect) and starve - even though there is >plenty of food within, what appears to us, easy reach. > >This is one area where the beekeeper can do some good in winter - by moving >the full combs across the box so that they are in contact with the cluster. > > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:55:56 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 936824156 000 192.168.254.73 (8 Sep 1999 20:55:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:55:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20891 so what the heck am i supposed to do? i have one hive, inthe city of detroit mich. i just ordered medicine for nosema, foulbrood and mites. do i give them the medicine or not? From admin@vladam.aip.mk.ua Fri Sep 10 05:36:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dsinc!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!scelto.ts.kiev.ua!news.aip.mk.ua!not-for-mail From: "÷ÌÁÄ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ! ëÕÐÉÍ Ï×ÏÝÎÙÅ ÓÅÔËÉ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:22:44 +0300 Organization: "÷ÌÁÄÁÍ" Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7r5kfh$msv$1@shark.aip.mk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-up-line25.aip.mk.ua X-Trace: shark.aip.mk.ua 936793393 23455 193.125.86.58 (8 Sep 1999 12:23:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@shark.aip.mk.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 12:23:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20892 ëÕÐÉÍ Ï×ÏÝÎÙÅ ÓÅÔËÉ, ÏÂßÅÍÏÍ ÏÔ 20 ÄÏ 50 ËÇ. ôÅÌ: (80512) 36 - 60 - 03 (80512) 50 - 04 - 92 From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Sep 10 05:36:50 EDT 1999 Article: 20893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Inspiration ? Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:16:56 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 113 Message-ID: <37d6cdd8.10057732@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20893 HI, Put this one past the experts, and see if it makes sense . Start with a functioning hive colony, however small . What about blocking off the entrance to your house, with the hive, and force the bees to pass through it . Use bee escapes, to guide the bees where you want them to go, and "newspaper" the wall colony into joining the hive . Use queen excluders to keep the hive-queen away from the bee escapes . When the wall-queen smells the hive-queen, she crosses the bee escapes, to get to the usurper, and you've got her . Is a queen too large to use a bee escape ? If the wall-queen is trapped outside the walls, would the house bees bring the existing wall brood into the hive ? Bees recycle wax, and etcetera . Is there a harmless way, to get the bees, to move the wall comb, and wall honey into the hive box ? If so, and over time, you could get the whole thing done for you, and with a minimal effort apart from setting the process in motion . Ken . Ken . Use two queen excluders to keep a queen in your hive, while she entices out the queen settled into the walls . On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:49:17 +0200, "Lennart Christiansen" wrote: >You can only start your own colony, if you get hold of a lot of bees - and >the quin. If the family are established in the wall (if it has been there >for more than 1-2 days), then I think it is close to impossible to get the >quin out of the wall, unless you break it down! You culd make a trap that >prevented the bees from getting back into your wall, place an empty hive >with a new quin right beside the trap, and you will be able to get some of >the bees that are flying. The rest of the family in the wall will starve >from lack of honey or water, and will eventually die. > >I think, it is much easier to buy a new family from another beekeper, and >then poison the bees in the wall. Sorry to say! > > >You might have some chemical tools (bee-go...?) that is legal and effektive >in your country, but I don´t know of any here. > >Lennart Christiansen, Denmark > > > ><37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net>... >>I'm a s.a.b lurker who suddenly discovered yesterday that there's AN >>ENORMOUS volume of honeybees which have decided to nest in an outside >>wall of a house I am renting. >>..... >>My question: Instead of terminating the bees using a pest control >>company, could I buy my own apiculture equipment and start a hive of my >>own? > >> >>Neil > > > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Sep 10 05:36:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:50:37 GMT References: <7r6gs5$5h7q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990908175037.04423.00000576@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20894 Lat year the honey was pastuerized this year was not so good only past my waist. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:57:49 GMT References: <7r6gs5$5h7q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990908175749.08355.00006232@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20895 >kept a bee in his life is telling me >"you have to pasterize the honey to get rid of the botulism." > ok here is the deal on botulism. Honey can indeed contain miniscule amounts of botch , but the only people that would have any trouble with it are new born kids whose intestinal tract has not began producing the necessary bacteria that older children and adults have or possibly transplant patients who are taking anti rejection meds. we're talking such a small amount that it's riduculous to worry about it unless the above applies. In other words To err on the safe side I wouldn't give honey to a child under 12 months Thats the facts dude. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:52 EDT 1999 Article: 20896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:30:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7r6h1r$1jeg$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <37d19231.f6ca8f62@webhart.net> <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7qu66r$2ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 936822651 000 192.168.254.73 (8 Sep 1999 20:30:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 20:30:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20896 well, i definately am got to plant some buckwheat next year! Report also goes on to >discuss the amount of antioxidants found in the various types of honeys - >usually the darker the honey, the more antioxidants. From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Sep 10 05:36:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:23:55 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <37d7d296.11272040@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <19990907204251.24169.00006256@ng-fy1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20897 Hi, Breed them with Martha Stuart drones, and leave cases of empty jars by the side of the building . Ken . On 08 Sep 1999 00:42:51 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>You might have some chemical tools (bee-go...?) that is legal and > >hmm bee-go >the essence of vomit and skunk juice with a touch of possum pee added just for >fun !! > >hopefully they are in the wall above the blocks, if not either love them or >kill em, cause you ain't gonna get em out without tearing down the wall. It's >just too great a place for a wild hive >Drill em a nice hole, and thank god for local pollination, plant ya some >watermelons, cantelopes, gourds,strawberrys,cucumbers etc.. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Sep 10 05:36:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cd for Apimonda visitors Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:39:12 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 78 Message-ID: <7r6s9l$sc6$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip26.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 936834165 29062 195.249.242.26 (8 Sep 1999 23:42:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 23:42:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20898 So I have nearly finished the work preparing a CD for the Apimondia, and have now calculated the price as so : CD's 1000 dkr labels, paper and printingink 900 dkr writing and testing the CD's 28 Hours of 100 dkr =2800 dkr total 4700 dkr equal to 1013 Canadian Dollars Price each CD 10 Canadian Dollars! 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What is on the CD? a Mix of beekeeping software including mine where bugs reported are fixed so as the problem with the spreadsheet. beekeeping spreadsheets mead recipies Food Recipies Apitherapy stuff beekeeping magazine from Sweeden Pollenpictures for use with the pollensoftware registration software to the pollensoftware Cliparts for your web beekeeping supply catalog webpage from the Danish National beekeeper society( DBF) My Webpage webpage frm David Eure urls to interesting webs maybe not so interesting for the non danish upgrade software to internet explore5 If you deside to pay me 20USD I will mail you the update of the software when I have finished and tested it! this update will allow you to add fields to the database and will also give the searchengine another look so that you will se the fields displayname insted of the databa fields names. 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Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk -- Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 10 05:36:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:16:03 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-56.glucophage.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 936829651 5784 62.136.69.184 (8 Sep 1999 22:27:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 22:27:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20899 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >hi, i dont quite understand this, are you talking about moving full combs >around inthe box during the winter? do you live inthe south where it >doesnt get cold? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I live in the UK - Midlands. No reason not to look in hives in the winter and early spring; provided that you do not break the cluster then you will not do any harm and may do a great deal of good. It is easiest to look in a hive after dark using a torch - in cold weather the bees will not fly in the minute or two it takes to check them. If they have moved to one side leaving empty combs in the centre of the box, i.e. between them and the stores, then they are in danger of starving if the cold weather continues. There are two solutions: 1 Move the store combs up to the cluster - do not break the cluster 2 Feed. In cold weather sugar syrup is not a good option for emergency feeding as the bees have difficulty handling it. Some beekeepers here use a bag of granulated sugar (it comes in 2lb paper bags - not sure how you buy it) with a few holes made in it and then soaked in water for a few minutes; it put over the brood nest. I use bakers' fondant, which is a mixture of white sugar and glucose syrup (used for icing cakes), and put this on the queen excluder. Some beekeepers advise against inspecting bees until spring (usually when the apple is in bloom) but this is often too late as colonies can easily starve before then - remember, dead bees gather no honey! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 10 05:36:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Inspiration ? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:26:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7r6nsk$5ko$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net> <37d6cdd8.10057732@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-56.glucophage.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 936829652 5784 62.136.69.184 (8 Sep 1999 22:27:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 1999 22:27:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20900 Real Name wrote in message <37d6cdd8.10057732@news2.i-link-2.net>... >HI, > > Put this one past the experts, >and see if it makes sense . > > Start with a functioning hive >colony, however small . > > What about blocking off the entrance >to your house, with the hive, and force >the bees to pass through it . > > Use bee escapes, to guide the bees >where you want them to go, and >"newspaper" the wall colony into joining >the hive . --------------------------------------------------------- All this has been done many times. Standard method - if you have the time and inclination - is to: 1 ensure only one entrance to wall colony 2 put a large cone (at least 12" long) with a small hole at the end over the entrance 3 place a hive with its entrance beside the cone 4 install a nuc in the hive 5 wait! The bees emerging from the wall will be unable to find the entrance to return and will join the nuc - this will over a matter of weeks become a strong colony. The colony in the wall will become progressively weaker and will eventually die out. At this point: 6 Remove the cone. The hive colony will now rob out the combs in the wall (this is important if there is any quantity of honey because it can create quite a mess in the house if the combs break down) and the entrance can be sealed. A word of warning: do not under any circumstances kill a colony in a wall using persistent insecticides; local bees will rob the combs and pick up the poison. From info@broennimann.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:06:23 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7r6mlm$ec18@news.vtx.ch> References: <37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-3-p29.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20901 Sure you could - lure them into the hive and set it up. Neil a écrit dans le message : 37D5788F.4FE5C17D@mail.earthlink.net... > Howdy, > > I'm a s.a.b lurker who suddenly discovered yesterday that there's AN > ENORMOUS volume of honeybees which have decided to nest in an outside > wall of a house I am renting. > > There are probably 30-40 bees always buzzing around the opening to the > hive, which is an open seam between the cinderblock foundation and the > wood upper-structure of my house. When I sit quietly in the basement of > the house, I can hear the bees buzzing in the exterior-facing walls. > They've not found a way IN to the house, unless I leave a window or door > open. > > My question: Instead of terminating the bees using a pest control > company, could I buy my own apiculture equipment and start a hive of my > own? > > Just curious :) > > Thanks in advance for any insight and advice! > > Neil > From harrisonrw@aol.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Inspiration ? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Sep 1999 00:17:50 GMT References: <7r6nsk$5ko$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990908201750.08358.00006513@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20902 >2 put a large cone (at least 12" long) with a small hole at the end over >the entrance The hole at the end of the cone should be 3/8 of an inch same a bee space (use a 3/8 inch bolt as a guide). If it is larger the bees will learn to use the narrow end as a entrance. The cone should be left on for six weeks. This method is a teriffic way to remove bees from a place where they are not accessible. I have used it many times without failure. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Associaton Milford, CT USA From kerrdog@my-deja.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kerrdog@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Trapping Pollen Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:23:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7r75n2$gov$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.2.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 09 02:23:41 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.219.2.188 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkerrdog Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20903 Use beekeeping as a sideline to my farming. I plan to trap pollen next spring as I live in an area with abundant pollen. I know nothing of the market. I was given the traps, but now I am trying to find out the economic possibilities before I set up a couple hundred hives for trapping. Please help. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From kerrdog@my-deja.com Fri Sep 10 05:36:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kerrdog@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:20:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7r75hl$gh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.2.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 08 22:49:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.219.2.188 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20904 In article , "John O'Brien" wrote: > I've been wondering recently if beekeepers in general are > contributing to the demise of the honey bee. > > I don't think we are the cause, but by restricting the bees > from swarming are we not unwittingly contributing to it? > > Any thoughts about this, pro or con? > > John O'Brien In an indirect way, beekeepers did cause the near complete demise of feral or wild bees. The introduction of the varroa mite in the early 90's means that any untreated hive of bees is doomed to this parasite, whether it be in a man-made hive or in the wild. Man's intervention in the natural world does have consequences. To put things into perspective, over 90% of the species that ever were became extinct before man was here, if you belive the geological record. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From wldwil@aol.commmmmmmmm Fri Sep 10 05:36:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wldwil@aol.commmmmmmmm (Wld Wil) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cappings Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Sep 1999 02:43:33 GMT References: <7qhnbe$3jr$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990908224333.23252.00002988@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20905 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new pest threat? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:35:59 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7r786v$10b4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <14519-37D6A5FE-22@newsd-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-29.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 936846367 33124 209.130.165.29 (9 Sep 1999 03:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 1999 03:06:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20906 That would be the small hive beetle. Every beekeeper should be aware of this disasterous beetle. The beetle eats wax comb leaving the honey in a dripping mess. I have not encountered this insect {yet}...not looking forward to the day when I do. --Busybee orgnichillbilly@webtv.net wrote in message <14519-37D6A5FE-22@newsd-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Hi I'm a newbie here and have just been keeping bees for two years. I have heard that here in Kentucky there is another (new) insect threat in addition to the two types of mites that we have here. I heard that it might be a beetle. Is this true and if so how do you prevent and guard against it? From lithar@midwest.net Fri Sep 10 05:37:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:45:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37D7113B.38ED@midwest.net> References: <37d19231.f6ca8f62@webhart.net> <7qteki$1jrq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7qu66r$2ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <7r6h1r$1jeg$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20907 Same here. I just received some buckwheat honey from a friend out in WA - talk about a unique taste! Next year I'm looking forward to an early light spring honey (like this year) and a full bodied buckwheat honey later in the season. AL Shelley Corbin wrote: > > well, i definately am got to plant some buckwheat next year! From BlancoB@Tech-center.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Beeginer" From: "Beeginer" Subject: Flows in South FLorida Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:51:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20908 Can anyone tell me when the flows occur in South Florida? From gmt@crosslink.net Fri Sep 10 05:37:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.crosslink.net!206.246.124.71.MISMATCH!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37D71363.16C32386@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:54:43 -0400 From: "L.E.G." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar conversion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.74.10 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 936841788 14670 206.246.74.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20909 Hello everybody! Quick question. Does anybody know the conversion from sugar syrup( 2 to 1 ) to pounds of stores. I think one of my hives is light for the oncoming winter and I want to feed now before its to late. I'm 50 miles south of wash. D.C. thanks L.E.G. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:50:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 09 04:50:42 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 cache1.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE4), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.32, 216.138.56.15 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20910 CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > so what the heck am i supposed to do? i have one hive, inthe city of > detroit mich. i just ordered medicine for nosema, foulbrood and mites. > do i give them the medicine or not? Good Q! Some would say don't medicate if there is no evidence of the problem. Others medicate on a schedule. Hell if I know which makes for a better controlled situation but I don't put medicine in my own mouth unless I am sick and often not even then. It's as much a matter of philosophy as it is of science. (Though that statement will probably meet criticism.) As for mites, treat with appropriate acaricide when sticky board or ether roll tests indicate a critical presence warranting the use of the only ammo in the arsenal. If you only have one hive, you certainly want it to survive. However, a single stationary hive does not *necessarily* experience the same stresses as the huge mobile apiaries... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nono@nono.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ! ëÕÐÉÍ Ï×ÏÝÎÙÅ ÓÅÔËÉ From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7r5kfh$msv$1@shark.aip.mk.ua> <7r6h79$fls$1@news1.Radix.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.83 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936891535 216.98.69.83 (Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:38:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:38:55 EDT Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:38:55 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20911 "Drink your Ovaltine" In article <7r6h79$fls$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net says... > >"÷ÌÁÄ" wrote: > >>ëÕÐÉÍ Ï×ÏÝÎÙÅ ÓÅÔËÉ, >>ÏÂßÅÍÏÍ ÏÔ 20 ÄÏ 50 ËÇ. > >>ôÅÌ: (80512) 36 - 60 - 03 >> (80512) 50 - 04 - 92 > >Help, I've lost my decoder ring! > >Greg the beekeep > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From tceisele@mtu.edu Fri Sep 10 05:37:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: 9 Sep 1999 17:02:10 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7r8p6i$2pk$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <7r6gs5$5h7q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990908175749.08355.00006232@ng-cc1.aol.com> <37D7DE57.6E16EDB8@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20912 Steve Badelt wrote: : Is there any data regarding whether pregnant women may endanger the fetus with : botulism in honey? There is no danger in that case, because there is no way for the spores of the bacteria (Clostridium botulinum) to get into the stomach or gut of the fetus. These spores are only dangerous to an infant because the infant's stomach is not yet acid enough to keep the spores from growing in their gut, and producing toxin there. The spores can't survive in the gut of anyone old enough to eat solid food, and the only way they will get botulin poisoning is if they eat uncooked food where the bacteria has been growing in it for some time, so that there is already toxin in the food. Since the spores don't actually grow in honey, they can't produce toxin in the honey, and so the honey itself is perfectly safe for anyone to eat so long as the spores can't actually grow in their stomach. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37D7E4CD.5CE0@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Tamper Resistant Sealing Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:47:53 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 936896052 209.69.69.129 (Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:54:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:54:12 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20913 Many of the companies that sell labels also sell long sticker that is intended to be used across the top and down the side of the jar as a tamper evident seal. Try R& M farms (734) 722-7727 (I think they were displaying on their table at the ANR Beekeeping weekend last spring) Ellen From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Sep 10 05:37:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckwheat Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Sep 1999 19:15:43 GMT References: <37D7113B.38ED@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990909151543.28283.00005145@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20914 Some buckwheat varieties don't seem to give much nectar. Check into it before you order seed. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 05:37:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:40:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 9 Sep 1999 20:45:59 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 9 13:55:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust195.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37D81B49.3DE3@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20915 When I can't get right to it, I stack the supers in a top cover and put a top cover on the top, if the honey is sealed. I have been known to keep it that way for several weeks. Beware of wax moths. Don in NC From apimo@apimo.dk Fri Sep 10 05:37:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia Beekeeping CD Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:52:54 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7r9dre$gka$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip51.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 936917678 17034 195.249.242.51 (9 Sep 1999 22:54:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 1999 22:54:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20916 > Where can you be found at Apimondia on Monday? I will arive saturday late afternon! when I know a little more of the centers localities I will put up a notice on the bulletinboard in the lobby where and at what time to find me! Look for a green paper with the directions and the word Beekeeping-CD -- Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tamper Resistant Sealing Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Sep 1999 02:30:23 GMT References: <37D7E4CD.5CE0@hotmail.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990909223023.05918.00006098@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20917 >Does anyone know of any kind of tape or some >sealing way that is safe, scotch tape around the lid Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Sep 10 05:37:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tamper Resistant Sealing Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Sep 1999 03:22:23 GMT References: <19990909223023.05918.00006098@ng-fv1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990909232223.01476.00000421@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20918 how about a beeswax swal? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bachmoz@aug.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flows in South FLorida Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:07:30 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20919 check out Florida Bee Botany http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?DOCUMENT_AA088 Beeginer <> wrote in message news:OpL4HXm##GA.234@cpmsnbbsa05... > Can anyone tell me when the flows occur in South Florida? for more info on florida beekeeping see http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?MENU_AA:BEEKEEPING From bachmoz@aug.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new pest threat? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:14:50 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <14519-37D6A5FE-22@newsd-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20920 probably the african small hive beetle, aethina tumida...for more info, see http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/threads/smbeetle.htm wrote in message news:14519-37D6A5FE-22@newsd-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > Hi I'm a newbie here and have just been keeping bees for two years. > I have heard that here in Kentucky there is another (new) insect threat > in addition to the two types of mites that we have here. I heard that > it might be a beetle. Is this true and if so how do you prevent and > guard against it? From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 10 05:37:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tamper Resistant Sealing Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:56:09 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7r9vcq$g4g$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37D7E4CD.5CE0@hotmail.com> <19990909223023.05918.00006098@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.195 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 936935642 16528 12.72.43.195 (10 Sep 1999 03:54:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 1999 03:54:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20921 Scotch tape Kevin? Naw, gotta use duct tape! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990909223023.05918.00006098@ng-fv1.aol.com... > >Does anyone know of any kind of tape or some > >sealing way that is safe, > > scotch tape around the lid > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From divedonn@erols.com Fri Sep 10 05:37:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tamper Resistant Sealing Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:48:13 -0700 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <37D7E4CD.5CE0@hotmail.com> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rd5pUEDjrC7yhVGVMp6jFKh3246xj/0mvxefTHQA8ks= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Sep 1999 14:13:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20922 I am just a small beekeeper at this time, but am beginning to start to promote my honey to be sold at local stores. One of my biggest concerns is someone tampering with my product at the store which then opens me to huge product liability. Does anyone know of any kind of tape or some sealing way that is safe, but not too expensive? From sbadelt@earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 05:37:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Steve Badelt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:20:39 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7r6gs5$5h7q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990908175749.08355.00006232@ng-cc1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 9 Sep 1999 16:20:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 9 09:25:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: globe8-3.pacesetter.com Message-ID: <37D7DE57.6E16EDB8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20923 Is there any data regarding whether pregnant women may endanger the fetus with botulism in honey? Hk1BeeMan wrote: > >kept a bee in his life is telling me > >"you have to pasterize the honey to get rid of the botulism." > > > > ok here is the deal on botulism. > > Honey can indeed contain miniscule amounts of botch , but the only people that > would have any trouble with it are new born kids whose intestinal tract has not > began producing the necessary bacteria that older children and adults have or > possibly transplant patients who are taking anti rejection meds. > > we're talking such a small amount that it's riduculous to worry about it unless > the above applies. In other words To err on the safe side I wouldn't give honey > to a child under 12 months > > Thats the facts dude. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From amschelp@pe.net Sat Sep 11 08:45:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pasteurising honey Message-ID: References: <7r6gs5$5h7q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990908175749.08355.00006232@ng-cc1.aol.com> <37D7DE57.6E16EDB8@earthlink.net> <7r8p6i$2pk$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 936920651 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:44:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:44:11 EDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:49:29 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20924 That's right, Tim; not to mention that nutrients from the gut of the mother are filtered before they get to the baby through the placenta In article <7r8p6i$2pk$1@campus1.mtu.edu>, tceisele@mtu.edu says... > Steve Badelt wrote: > : Is there any data regarding whether pregnant women may endanger the fetus with > : botulism in honey? > > There is no danger in that case, because there is no way for the spores > of the bacteria (Clostridium botulinum) to get into the stomach or gut > of the fetus. These spores are only dangerous to an infant because the > infant's stomach is not yet acid enough to keep the spores from growing > in their gut, and producing toxin there. The spores can't survive in > the gut of anyone old enough to eat solid food, and the only way they > will get botulin poisoning is if they eat uncooked food where the > bacteria has been growing in it for some time, so that there is already > toxin in the food. Since the spores don't actually grow in honey, they > can't produce toxin in the honey, and so the honey itself is perfectly > safe for anyone to eat so long as the spores can't actually grow in > their stomach. > > > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu > From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Sep 11 08:45:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flows in South FLorida Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <21984-37D8FD43-11@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuF0QVpLydd8LLBTSwF8Q/YPwF7cCFE6r0mpnorHXFNE5YDLMR3gRB2Bs Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20925 Punk trees bloom about week every four weeks and the pepper starts now and last until the middle of Oct. in Fort Myers area but it is later as you go east. The palm trees start sometime in the middle of the summer and last into the pepper flow. I have found that the only flow you can depend on is the pepper. It is a very good flow if you do not get sprayed by the bug planes of LEE COUNTY. They have a small AIR FORCE at their air port. I have seen them spray the school kids going to school in the morning time with one of their bombers. If they will spray the kids they sure do not think nothing of spraying your bees. I can not think of a time in the last ten years that I have not had a yard sparyed in thay area. BUD From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Sep 11 08:45:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tamper Resistant Sealing Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Sep 1999 13:21:55 GMT References: <7r9vcq$g4g$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990910092155.20362.00003701@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20926 >Scotch tape Kevin? Naw, gotta use duct tape! > actually a big ol glob a lock tite works too course a big drip of bees wax like a kings seal looks better Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From @tinet.ie Sat Sep 11 08:45:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!iol.ie!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:07:09 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Message-ID: <7ra8pc$75b$2@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <_a_A3.185$FY2.10003@news2.randori.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p112.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 936945260 7339 159.134.232.112 (10 Sep 1999 06:34:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:34:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20927 Jeff & Dee-Anne Crozier wrote in message <_a_A3.185$FY2.10003@news2.randori.com>... >I have found that placing sheets of newspaper between the supers takes care >of any wax moths. They can't stand the smell of the ink. Anyone else done >this? To be sure of prevention you still need PDB crystal placed on each super, I have had waxmoth damage in supers stored between sheets of newspaper. Ruary Rudd From @tinet.ie Sat Sep 11 08:45:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!iol.ie!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:03:41 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p112.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 936945259 7339 159.134.232.112 (10 Sep 1999 06:34:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 1999 06:34:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20928 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Shelley Corbin wrote in message ><7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >>hi, i dont quite understand this, are you talking about moving full combs >>around inthe box during the winter? do you live inthe south where it >>doesnt get cold? >------------------------------------------------------------------------ If they >have moved to one side leaving empty combs in the centre of the box, i.e. >between them and the stores, then they are in danger of starving if the cold >weather continues. There are two solutions: >1 Move the store combs up to the cluster - do not break the cluster >2 Feed. > >In cold weather sugar syrup is not a good option for emergency feeding as >the bees have difficulty handling it You could also make up some candy: 1 part water to 5 parts sugar and dissolve over heat until it is all dissolved boil to a temperature of 234 degrees F and then remove from heat and cool by placing container into a sink of cold water stirring the syrup constantly. When it goes cloudy decant into suitable containers. In winter place container over feed hole in cover. It used to be the custom to give your bees a feed of candy at St. Stephen's ( Boxing) Day Dec 26th which would let them survive if you hadn't fed them enough in the Autumn (Fall). The cluster would rise as it fed on the stocks in the comb and so the candy above the feed hole was a natural extension of the rise and the bees did not become isolated from the feed. Ruary Rudd From nono@nono.com Sat Sep 11 08:45:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from New Beekeeper (Hobbyist) From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37d9027f.12177387@news.cybertours.com.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.96 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 936981413 216.98.69.96 (Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:36:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:36:53 EDT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:36:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20929 Bee beards are very common this time of year when the population of your hive is high and there is no big honey flow in progress. My bees are doing the same thing. John R. In article <37d9027f.12177387@news.cybertours.com.>, zeilon@ime.net says... > >Location is western Maine, Lat 44 deg.N > >I have had a hive of Carnolian bees since early summer after capturing >a small swarm. Inspection of hive shows very good development with >active brood development in the center of the hive and honey storage >symetricaly on surrounding frames. > >In the past 10 days have noticed that bees are forming a "bee beard" >on the face of the hive every day. The "beard typically forms across >and downward from the hive entrance covering the faces of the concrete >blocks on which the hive rests. Often there is as well, a clustering >of bees that extends from the side of the entrance to the ventilation >hole at the top face of the hive body. From what I have read about >ventilation of the hive, these bees do not appear organized for >fanning. The "beard" is (say) 3 or 4 bees deep. > >Temperature here has been 60's to high 70's in the past week., but >humidity is high. > >Have not seen this behavior described in the limited book resources I >have. Can someone help me understand what is going on? > >Thanks in advance for your comments. > >Dean >Naples, Maine > From swehe@earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 08:45:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:18:47 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37D1DF38.86E83202@earthlink.net> <19990905115204.24175.00004759@ng-fy1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:17:47 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Sep 10 15:25:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip248.san-antonio6.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37D983C7.F8D44561@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20930 Well, I never did claim to be sane... susan BeeCrofter wrote: > > If you are crazy enough to work bees with allergy then you are crazy enough to > buy a good suit. > BJ Sherriff suits are pretty damn good-I saw one on a bee inspector and was > quite impressed. > The price was scary about 150$ > I will still patch my old zipper suit coveralls. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From amschelp@pe.net Sat Sep 11 08:45:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tamper Resistant Sealing Message-ID: References: <7r9vcq$g4g$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <19990910092155.20362.00003701@ng-fc1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 937016854 216.100.16.35 (Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:27:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:27:34 EDT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:32:53 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20931 The French kings used to imbed a few of their beard hairs into the sealing wax on especially important messages, like this one. In article <19990910092155.20362.00003701@ng-fc1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > >Scotch tape Kevin? Naw, gotta use duct tape! > > > > actually a big ol glob a lock tite works too > course a big drip of bees wax like a kings seal looks better > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 11 08:45:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:58:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7rcu05$4dn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-97.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 937032517 4535 62.136.5.225 (11 Sep 1999 06:48:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 1999 06:48:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20933 >Good Q! > >Some would say don't medicate if there is no evidence of the problem. >Others medicate on a schedule. Hell if I know which makes for a better >controlled situation but I don't put medicine in my own mouth unless I >am sick and often not even then. It's as much a matter of philosophy as >it is of science. (Though that statement will probably meet criticism.) >As for mites, treat with appropriate acaricide when sticky board or >ether roll tests indicate a critical presence warranting the use of the >only ammo in the arsenal. If you only have one hive, you certainly want >it to survive. However, a single stationary hive does not *necessarily* >experience the same stresses as the huge mobile apiaries... > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Paul Kent Oakley >The Sabine Farm >Ava, Illinois, USA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Good answer! After 50 years of the National Health Service, people in the UK are less healthy! Certainly you have no option other than to treat for varroa as this is not a natural parasite of A.M.M., but for natural diseases, e.g. Nosema and acarine, I am sure that we should allow the bees to build their own resistance. Common sense must tell you that it is wrong to keep on pumping medicines into any animal as its natural resistance must be weakened. From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 11 08:45:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey! It's a new thread! Date: 11 Sep 1999 06:13:28 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7rda08$ru6$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37cacff1.5217245@news2.i-link-2.net> <7qok0r$es$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37D509F8.864BE878@bms.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20934 In article <37D509F8.864BE878@bms.com>, Jesse Hunter wrote: >This the most "off -topic" post I have seen on this NG in a long time. What is >the point, I didn't realize we had such a problem here that necessitated one >making such a post and then responding to them self. Thanks for the >suggestion on killfiling; another post like this, and it might come in handy. >:) Go for it! That's the great thing about Usenet. You never have to read anything you don't want to. Adam -- Adam J. 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Learn what you don't. From adamf@radix.net Sat Sep 11 10:09:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,uk.misc Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: 11 Sep 1999 07:28:16 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7rdecg$2b9$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20938 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:186 uk.misc:169318 Alan Mackie , posted forth: > Adam, >>Charlie Kroeger wrote: >> >>>Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and >>>replicate >>>themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. >>>Maybe >>>it's an invasion? >And you replied: >>This is fascinating, and grounds for a great debate. Above, you describe a >>prion as "being from outer space". >Nope, he didn't. >Therefore the rest of your argument is spurious at best /and/ off-topic. >Why not try it in a newsgroup devoted to reading and comprehension >skills? But please, not in here. I've had to ponder how this should go: my followup to the above post you see quoted in the >. I could have just ignored it, but that's not in my nature. Since Alan Mackie flames me for being "off-topic" and posting "spuriously", completely circumventing the subject of my post and previous posts in the thread, I'll give Alan a big pat on the back, and accept his "context flame". Pardon me, Alan, I *infered* that Kroeger described a prion as "being from outer space." Okay, Charlie Kroeger's (the poster I was following up) rhetorical image of alien prions is symbolic as an archetype or a meme for our perceptions of what is "life" and what is "selected for" on earth. That Charlie *made* the rhetorical link of prion to alien illustrates our discomfort with deviations from our familiar belief systems. Often theoretical boundaries are avoided when empirical situations challenge them. Huh? Well, suggesting that a prion, even in fun, is "alien", makes the assumption that it lies outside the realm of natural selection and selective forces (the random that is inherent in everything biological, based on the last ~1700 years of recorded empirical experience). To make this assumption, even in fun, even rhetorically, even in a big eight Usenet newsgroup, illustrates the existence of an established fundamental belief system--that to have evolved, an organism must be like all other organisms, with similar genetic carrying mechanisms (DNA). Scrutinizing the concepts of natural selection, and selective pressure, one may note that given a specific instance, (arising by chance) and a specific set of parameters (again arising by chance), unique outcomes may result. Here, on Earth. As "alien" as they seem when compared to all other familiar replicating selective entities. The importance of chance in evolution either Darwinian, or Neo-Darwinian, cannot be emphasized enough. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From hgbcpa@nospam.att.net Sat Sep 11 10:09:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor not available. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:19:59 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rclau$j3s$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7qpgdb$h7v$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <37D81B49.3DE3@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.107.98 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 937023646 19580 12.73.107.98 (11 Sep 1999 04:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Sep 1999 04:20:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20939 Thanks for all the responses. I appreciate you folks sharing your knowledge. Thanks again. HB workerbee wrote in message <37D81B49.3DE3@earthlink.net>... >When I can't get right to it, I stack the supers in a top cover and put >a top cover on the top, if the honey is sealed. I have been known to >keep it that way for several weeks. Beware of wax moths. > >Don in NC > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Sep 12 07:15:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Sep 1999 14:06:34 GMT References: <37D983C7.F8D44561@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990911100634.27472.00007925@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20940 > >Well, I never did claim to be sane... > Me Either BTW All of my hives are Y2K compliant. ISO 9000 ain't gonna happen. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Sep 12 07:15:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,uk.misc Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7rdecg$2b9$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:32:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.2 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937064188 38.31.18.2 (Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:36:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:36:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20941 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:187 uk.misc:169323 Adam J. Finkelstein ponders: >Okay, Charlie Kroeger's (the poster I was following up) rhetorical imageof alien > prions is symbolic as an archetype or a meme for our perceptions >of what is "life" and what is "selected for" on earth. That Charlie *made* >the rhetorical link of prion to alien illustrates our discomfort with >deviations from our familiar belief systems. Well, having grown up with seeing Clint Eastwood nuke "Tarantula" and what happens to you if you approach a Martian space ship holding up a Bible, and how we eventually learned there was no hope in the "Body Snatchers" I would just like to say, that in this century and probably others, if you can imagine it, that is create a reality in your head, it can more than likely be developed. I've lived long enough to have heard "experts" making pronouncements about those mysterious "canals" on Mars. I don't know what the point is here, but belief systems or not, the more you know the more you realize you don't know, and that's a fact, not an opinion. >Scrutinizing the concepts of natural selection, and selective pressure, >one may note that given a specific instance, (arising by chance) and a >specific set of parameters (again arising by chance), unique outcomes may >result. Alan, you're right, and also you need to get down there to Kansas and sort out their wooly thinking. Charles Kroeger From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Sep 12 07:15:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination Impact of Massive Mosquito Project Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Sep 1999 17:18:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990911131852.01522.00001098@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20942 FYI - Repost of item made to fruit growers: In the mid-Atlantic area of the US, massive aerial applications of Naled are now being undertaken, in the areas where rains from Dennis occurred. If you are a grower in this area, you should be aware of the implications. These project managers routinely ignore the label directions for bee protection and circumvent the law by dumping the responsibility onto beekeepers. (They've been lobbying EPA for exemption from bee directions - a kind of back-door way of admitting that they are violating them.) Beekeepers often cannot reach all their bee yards in the wake of floods; also, the aerial applications can impact several bee yards all on the same day. Furthermore, this system to evade the law ignores the non-Apis pollinators altogether. In some areas, wild bees do significant fruit pollination. Some species may be dormant, but others that are active on fall flowers may get wiped out. Bees that are working goldenrod usually drop on the site and don't make it home. It's too late in the season for the bees to replace their losses, and the weakened hives do not have a big enough cluster to get through the coming cold weather. If you can have any input into these applications, insist that the bee protection directions be obeyed. Bee foraging times must be established by fact, not guesswork. Monitor hives should be used to determine the hours of bee foraging, and the applications be done only when the monitors show that foraging is done for the day. Any other adulticide application is illegal. Typically, they ignore any monitoring, and arbitrarily set the applications for late afternoon. The forage pattern for fall flowers typically reaches a peak in the late afternoon. You may call your beekeeper next spring, and find him out of business, or unable to supply the pollination demand. And believe me, if they spray in your area, while bees are working goldenrod and other late bloom, the need for managed pollination will be greater than ever. Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles): http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Sep 12 07:15:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey! It's a new thread! Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Sep 1999 19:22:39 GMT References: <7rda08$ru6$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990911152239.15561.00003714@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20943 >In article <37D509F8.864BE878@bms.com>, >Jesse Hunter wrote: >>This the most "off -topic" post I have seen on this NG in a long time. What >is >>the point, I didn't realize we had such a problem here that necessitated >one >>making such a post and then responding to them self. Thanks for the >>suggestion on killfiling; another post like this, and it might come in >handy. >>:) > >Go for it! >That's the great thing about Usenet. You never have to read anything you >don't want to. > >Adam Jesse, you appear to be a newbie, so I'll give you a tip. Don't killfile Adam; he has important things to say, when he says it, which isn't too often. In fact, I think he started this newsgroup. At least he was a regular when I started, and that was longer than I care to admit. Is that right, Adam? Nice that you have a sense of humor about it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Sep 12 07:15:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sci.ag.beekeeping archives Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:42:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.196 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937086418 38.11.203.196 (Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:46:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:46:58 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20944 Where is the URL for the archives of this newsgroup? Thanks, Charles Kroeger From sorry@no.spam Sun Sep 12 07:15:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter honey stores Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.180.50.89 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 937094960 216.180.50.89 (Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:09:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:09:20 EDT Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:12:18 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20945 Hi folks, This is my first year beekeeping & I've got two strong hives I hope will survive the winter (I live in North Alabama). I fed them sugar water thru a good part of the summer & they each made a hive body full of comb & a bunch of bees, but haven't stored very much honey at all. I stopped feeding them about four weeks ago & the numbers dropped off some (as they should at this time of year, I think), but I'm concerned that they haven't stored enough honey to make it thru the winter. I would estimate that 5-10% of each frame is honey & the rest is brood nest. I'm starting to feed them again for a while & was wondering if they will automatically start storing up the sugar water for the winter in part of the comb that is currently being used for the brood nest. Do I need to do something to encourage them to store it or will they do it on their own? Thanks for the advice, Rodney -------------------------- Rodney Isom Arab, AL **Please post replies to group** From jrmars@tricon.net Sun Sep 12 07:15:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing hive bodies From: you@somehost.somedomain (John R.) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <37D2759E.A7AB0B25@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4kCC3.148$JU2.10197@news21b.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.99 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 937095552 216.98.71.99 (Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:19:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:19:12 EDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:19:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20946 I would say that you should reverse them now so that you are going into the winter with honey on top and bees and brood on the bottom. John R. n article <37D2759E.A7AB0B25@fuse.net>, dublgully@fuse.net says... > >I have a question. I have looked in the books and searched the Archives >of Bee-L. Can't seem to find the answer. If it is there, I missed it. > >I read in many sources that in early spring you should reverse your hive >bodies to get the ladies into the bottom box. Because bees usually move >up during the winter to feed on the second box of food. > >Our bees are in their second boxes (counting from ground up) now. The >first boxes all have honey and pollen. The brood is in the second. I >know there has been discussion about splitting the brood and that it is >not a good thing. Our hives have no brood in the bottom box. > >Should we reverse our boxes to get brood on the bottom and honey on the >top? Before winter? > >Thanks > >Judy and Dave > From kjmason1@my-deja.com Sun Sep 12 07:15:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kjmason1@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Query: Blackest, Darkest, Richest honey Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:14:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7rer8f$u1f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.153.231.68 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 12 00:14:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; MSN 2.5; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 MA1, 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.153.231.68 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkjmason1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20947 I'm seeking the Darkest honey source known to man. Primarily for use in mead, beer and cooking. I am familear with buckwheat and avacado honey, but I believe their is a legume of some sort whose black nectar tops'em all. Thanks. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From awm@skyshots.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 12 07:15:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!skyshots.demon.co.uk!awm From: Alan Mackie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:54:21 +0100 Organization: AWM Enterprises Message-ID: <4Z7P0EANfw23Ewzr@skyshots.demon.co.uk> References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7rdecg$2b9$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: skyshots.demon.co.uk:193.237.18.154 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 937101525 nnrp-09:3616 NO-IDENT skyshots.demon.co.uk:193.237.18.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20948 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:188 Adam :> >nature. Since Alan Mackie flames me for being "off-topic" and posting >"spuriously", completely circumventing the subject of my post and previous >posts in the thread, In the beekeeping newsgroups, certainly. I hadn't spotted it was in uk.misc as well. >I'll give Alan a big pat on the back, and accept his >"context flame". Ta. Well deserved, I feel. >Pardon me, Alan, I *infered* that Kroeger described a >prion as "being from outer space." Ahem. I repeat: >Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >>Prions are the first "whatever" to exhibit life like behavior and replicate >>themselves without any DNA present. Maybe they're from outer space. Maybe >>it's an invasion? You'll spot the use of the word "maybe". And you replied: >This is fascinating, and grounds for a great debate. Above, you describe a >prion as "being from outer space". No inference that I can see. Simply a (deliberate?) misquoting. And it's all /still/ off-topic for beekeeping newsgroups so do us all a favour and let it drop until you can learn to use the system properly and accurately. Thanks. EOT. -- Alan ____________ Alan Mackie, Owner/Manager of Skyshots Aerial Photography - www.skyshots.demon.co.uk From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Sep 12 07:15:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Help in Florida Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Sep 1999 02:57:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990911225747.23620.00007106@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20949 Hi, A young man (13) asked me, over the internet, what he needs to do to winterize his hives. I did not feel, being from Washington, it would bee appropriate for me to guess what Fla. needed. Could someone be so kind as to E-mail him and give him a hand? I would like to encourage him so PLEASE no "read the books" responses unless it is accompanied with other detailed advice. Thanks to anyone who is willing to help. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Sep 12 07:15:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OOPS! Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Sep 1999 02:58:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990911225840.23620.00007107@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20950 His E-mail address is BeeCrazy00@aol.com Laura From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Sep 12 07:15:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Philosophy (was Re: Units of Selection) Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37b9cdd5.4558163@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <37c436d9.30481875@news.cidial.com> <7q1nbs$cqn$1@saltmine.radix.net> <37c600b3.40041012@news.cidial.com> <7qohbk$pjt$1@saltmine.radix.net> <7rdecg$2b9$1@saltmine.radix.net> <4Z7P0EANfw23Ewzr@skyshots.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:28:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.138 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937114394 38.11.203.138 (Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:33:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:33:14 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20951 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:189 EXTRA! EXTRA! Adam J. Finkelstein noted scientist and thinker says: >"prions from outer space". Nobel committee in session. Watch this space. Space? Alan Mackie an apparent aerialist and persistent objector to off topic post, says bunk. In a related story, General Foods denies using prions to make Alpo, a well loved pet food. why is my cursor blinking so fast? From gfdavis@usit.net Article: 20952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic hives Message-ID: <37db952c.722487@nntp.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:06:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 937137973 216.80.168.209 (Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:06:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:06:13 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20952 I just received a new bee culture magazine and saw the advertisement for plastic hives. I use wood frames with plastic foundation, and wood consider using this setup in plastic hive. I don't know about going all plastic. Any comment's GD From gfdavis@usit.net Article: 20953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: africanized bee invasion Message-ID: <37db9815.1467661@nntp.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:16:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 937138575 216.80.168.209 (Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:16:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:16:15 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20953 I read that the so called killer bee's are invading the deep south and were it will affect the sell of package bee's. I guess we have another problem to deal with in the bee business. GD From sotojavi@arrakis.es Mon Sep 13 22:00:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Javier Soto Vázquez" From: "Javier Soto Vázquez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb Actualizada - Updated Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:27:57 +0200 Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.76.135 Message-ID: <37d2efee@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 6 Sep 1999 00:34:22 +0100, 195.5.76.135 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.arrakis.es!195.5.76.135 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20954 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha sido actualizada. y ¡Esperamos tu visita! -------------------------------------------- @groEscuela posee 35 Documentos Técnicos, después de añadir 3 Nuevos: La influencia de la luna en la Agricultura: A modo de Presentación Las gallinas, la luna y otras cuestiones Influencia de la luna en el ganado y caballerías ----------------------------------------- @groCafé continúa siendo el lugar de debate para los Dos Temas que Tratamos: Trangénicos y Agricultura de Conservación. ----------------------------------------- @groPreguntas se ha convertido en poco tiempo en la sección Estrella para Resolver Cuestiones o Solicitar Información. Te sugerimos visites el Tablón de Preguntas para, con tu experiencia, poder responder algunas de las dudas que nos solicitan. ----------------------------------------- @groCursos engloba 136 Cursos, Jornadas o Congresos ----------------------------------------- Titulares de @groNoticias 1) WHY THE GM TRIALS ARE USELESS 2) ORGANIC CROPS COMPETITIVE WITH CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS 3) BIOTECHNOLOGY: FARMERS WORRY ABOUT POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES 4) GLYPHOSATE A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE HERBICIDE 5) FARM PESTICIDES HAVE NO IMPACT ON CANCER RISK 6) A PINT OF ORGANIC, PLEASE 7) SOYBEAN ROOT PROBLEMS 8) PHOTOSYNTHETIC STRESS + GRAIN FILL = STALK ROT POTENTIAL? 9) SOME INSECTICIDES MAY NOT PERFORM WELL WHEN TEMPERATURES GO ABOVE 900F 10) EU POSTPONES VOTE ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED CROPS 11) PORTUGUESE MEDICAL COUNCIL SEES RISKS FROM GM FOODS 12) ADM SEES NO GUARANTEES ON GENETIC-MODIFYING 13) DEBATE CONTINUES OVER FEDERAL STANDARD FOR ORGANIC PRODUCE 14) GM CROP MAY AID WEEDS 15) U.S. WARNS EU OF BIOTECHNOLOGY CONCERNS 16) MAXYGEN PARTNERS WITH ZENECA AGROCHEMICALS 17) U.S. WILL TRY TO REPLACE FOSSIL FUELS WITH FARM PRODUCTS 18) CLOUDY FUTURE FOR GLOBAL WARMING? 19) BRAZIL COURT REJECTS MONSANTO APPEAL ON GM SOYBEANS 20) NEW R&D AGREEMENT AIMS AT NATURAL CONTROLS FOR PLANT FUNGI 21) LONG-TERM STUDY TO DEVELOP HERBICIDE RESISTANCE STRATEGIES 22) US HOPES BIOTECH PANEL CAN FORGE GLOBAL CONSENSUS 23) SECOND WAVE OF BIOECHNOLOGY TO OPEN NEW MARKETS 24) THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF BIOTECHNOLOGY IN EUROPE: BETWEEN ACCEPTANCE AND HYSTERIA 25) CREATING A SALT TOLERANT PLANT 26) HARVEST AID HERBICIDES 27) CORN GROWERS CALL ON FARMERS TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES TO PLANTING GMOS IF QUESTIONS ARE NOT ANSWERED 28) GM CROPS "ONLY KILL HARMFUL INSECTS" 29) GOOD BREEDING 30) U.S. EXPERTS CONDUCTING MONARCH BUTTERFLY FIELD RESEARCH ----------------------------------------- @groEnlaces, la sección de enlaces Agrícolas y Ganaderos clasificados por Sectores e Idiomas ha ampliado en 152 el número de estos, poniendo a tu disposición actualmente 1.409 enlaces de los cuales 634 son en nuestro idioma. 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From bud1941@webtv.net Mon Sep 13 22:00:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Help in Florida Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <23023-37DB933F-2@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990911225747.23620.00007106@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRt4lb8/b/e3XIEvg+gY5sM/0YqgwIVAL8zBldYkJh91XXwJzdO52s6qYx3 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20955 Make sure that you have one small super of honey on the hive. Use meds. for AFB and put mites strips ins. All this should be done going into November. All of these things have to be done for the hive to have a chance to over the winter. BUD From info@broennimann.com Mon Sep 13 22:00:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Query: Blackest, Darkest, Richest honey Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:17:09 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7rh59o$gtl17@news.vtx.ch> References: <7rer8f$u1f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-3-p33.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20956 How about chestnut tree honey - very dark and bitter. -- Best regards.... Martin-Paul Broennimann visit our website=> www.broennimann.com mailto=> info@broennimann.com a écrit dans le message : 7rer8f$u1f$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I'm seeking the Darkest honey source known to man. Primarily for use > in mead, beer and cooking. > > I am familear with buckwheat and avacado honey, but I believe their is > a legume of some sort whose black nectar tops'em all. > > Thanks. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Sep 13 22:00:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Hive Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37D1DF38.86E83202@earthlink.net> <19990905115204.24175.00004759@ng-fy1.aol.com> <37D983C7.F8D44561@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 85 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:13:04 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.201 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937174651 38.11.203.201 (Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:17:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:17:31 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20957 Susan Wehe who never claimed to be sane and apparently works bees even though allergic to them, I guess. (I didn't see the original "problem hive" thread when it started. There's been ISP news server troubles here for the past week then I screwed up on my computer too.) Then BeeCrofter said BJ Sheriff's bee suits were good but expensive. I agree that BJ Sheriff's suits are expensive, but so are cuban cigars, there's a reason. Even if you are allergic to bees I think with a good plan and bee suit you can keep bees your whole life, and who knows how long that will be, and what's life to a beekeeper without bees? Here's the plan and the suit for you: The plan: always keep a fresh prescription of epinephrine (adrenaline), at the ready. If you're stung and going under, you know what to do. The epinephrine should be followed by the administration of antihistamines, cortisone, or similar drugs. However I'm not a doctor, I'm just sounding like one. If you're prone to anaphylactic shock you would be wise to have an assistant with you when working your bees; an assistant that knew the drill, if you get stung. It was interesting to me in reading about anaphylaxis that it is more common in persons with a history of atopic dermatitis. If that is you, then you must be extra careful. The suit: Forget about the price, the BJ Sheriff "beekeeper" suit is the one you need. It also has the advantage of being made out of this gossamer nylon material, that is of course, white but breaths fairly well on hot days. I see from your post header that is looks like you live near San Antonio, a known place of stifling heat in the summer. The other advantage to the Sheriff suit is that the bees don't die in droves, needlessly, in their valiant efforts to defend the hive from you. The great thing about the nylon material is that the bees can't land on it, which, it turns out, they must do, before they can plunge in their stingers. So for a fraction of the cost of a visit to the emergency room, you can have the best bee suit in the world and enjoy keeping bees even with your potential life threatening past time. One other thing about being sting free. Use Nitrile gloves, with the Sheriff suit. Your hands will get sweaty, but you will never get stung through them and they are easy to wash up. I used to like deer and elk skin gloves for beekeeping, but after an afternoon of work the leather was wet from sweat and very pliable. The bees stung through it with great zeal. One last thing, always wear some kind of high top boots. They don't have to be go go boots but you know, something that laces up firmly against the line of your leg. It is important, even using the Sheriff suit to tie the bottom of the bee suit leg firmly to the top of your boot with string or light rope. After a year or two of use, the Sheriff suit will become a bit loose at these places, most notably the legs. If you follow these guidelines, and create good habits when the suit is new, you won't get in trouble later when it starts to wear out. I can say with a lot of certainty, if you use the above guide, you will never be stung. Lastly, here's the thing, why worry so much about dying that you can't enjoy living. That's a constant topic of worry now in America, where the dream is now tarnished. In Texas at least, you are more likely to die of a gunshot wound than in a car accident. Take rattlesnakes for instance, I try to tell these hysterical neighbors around me about rattlesnakes; how important they are for rodent control and how it's their home too; deaf ears, and casting pearls is the best description I can give of their reaction. I tell them more people die of rabies in Texas every year than rattlesnake bites, but this doesn't stop the persecution of rattlesnakes. Remember, the old Lyons syrup slogan, "from courage comes sweetness" and so does life. Charles Kroeger From grifmark@gofree.indigo.ie Mon Sep 13 22:00:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!iol.ie!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Mark Griffin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping varroa floor Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:42:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.139.89 X-Complaints-To: news@indigo.ie X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 937179812 194.125.139.89 (Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:43:32 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:43:32 BST Organization: Indigo Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20958 Looking for info. on a new type of varroa floor. This one is 2 inches deep below the mesh and the mites cannot climb up when they fall off . This reduces the varroa by 25% apparently !Anyone used it - is it successful?Has anyone got dimensions for making one ? From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Sep 13 22:00:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hives Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:12:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37db952c.722487@nntp.usit.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 13 Sep 1999 00:18:21 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Sep 12 17:25:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust61.tnt3.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37DC418A.1B2A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20959 I know a lady beekeeper that has a couple of plastic hives. The only part that is non warped and is usable is the top. The bodies and inner covers are all warped. We moved her bees into a wooden hive a couple of weeks ago. Don in NC From sotojavi@arrakis.es Mon Sep 13 22:00:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Javier Soto Vázquez" From: "Javier Soto Vázquez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:40:50 +0200 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.73.153 Message-ID: <37dae92c$1@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 12 Sep 1999 01:43:40 +0100, 195.5.73.153 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.arrakis.es!195.5.73.153 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20960 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha sido actualizada el 28/8/99 en sus diferentes secciones: @groEscuela - Documentos, Articulos y Boletines @groCafé - Dá tu opnión sobre los Transgénicos y el Laboreo de Conservación. @groPreguntas - Resuelve tus Dudas o Cuestiones sobre Agronomía. @groCursos - Cursos, Jornadas y Congresos @groNoticias - Para estar bien Informado @groEnlaces - No te pierdas en la WWW. ¡Esperamos tu visita! From shuston@riverace.com Mon Sep 13 22:00:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.ag.beekeeping archives Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:06:52 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37DD130C.5302D42@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: K4bdvDJOJ3pPFviOLHapgOXUIOnwzBDeXy0Ry8DJA+U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 15:06:53 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20961 I don't know of someone keeping particular archive for this group, but www.deja.com archives a whole lot of groups you can search through. -Steve Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > Where is the URL for the archives of this newsgroup? > > Thanks, > > Charles Kroeger -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Mon Sep 13 22:00:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEY V's WHITE SUGAR - Nutritiional Value Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:11:48 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <937217204.51511@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-59.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20962 I am a beekeeper in Australia and I read an article in the local press yesterday that stated honey and white sugar have the same nutritional value i.e. NIL. I feel that this is incorrect, but I could be biased towards honey so could somebody give me the facts please. -- Barry Metz From sbadelt@earthlink.net Mon Sep 13 22:01:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Steve Badelt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information On Walter T. Kelly Wanted Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:03:00 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37d2efee@news.arrakis.es> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 13 Sep 1999 15:07:47 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Sep 13 08:15:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002tnnashp043.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37DE63A4.905EBEEB@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20963 I kept bees when I was a kid in TN, but now that I'm in CA I can't find any information on Walter T. Kelly. Could someone who has the address please send it to me? Also, does anyone on the West Coast have a prefered supplier of equipment? Thanks, Steve From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 13 22:01:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!newscon04!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: winter prepping:placing hives on stands. Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:16:30 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rjbhe$563q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937242990 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Sep 1999 17:16:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:16:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20964 i live in se mich, we get our share of snow in the winter. i have my hive on 1.5 inch flat boards, i have read the importance of keeping the hive dry , i havent seen any problems after heavy rains, should i place my hive on some concrete bricks or something to get it higher off the ground? i am afraid of using concrete because i fear i might break the bottom board or something. also, i read you should keep a small crack opening at the inner cover to keep moisture from condesing at the hive of the hive. would doing this mean i would have to keep my telescoping cover at a tilt all winter? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 13 22:01:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:11:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-49.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937243800 7147 62.136.18.177 (13 Sep 1999 17:30:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:30:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20965 Ruary Rudd <@tinet.ie> wrote in message <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie>... > >You could also make up some candy: > >1 part water to 5 parts sugar and dissolve over heat until it is all >dissolved boil to a temperature of 234 degrees F and then remove from heat >and cool by placing container into a sink of cold water stirring the syrup >constantly. When it goes cloudy decant into suitable containers. In winter >place container over feed hole in cover. > > It used to be the custom to give your bees a feed of candy at St. Stephen's >( Boxing) Day Dec 26th which would let them survive if you hadn't fed them >enough in the Autumn (Fall). The cluster would rise as it fed on the stocks >in the comb and so the candy above the feed hole was a natural extension of >the rise and the bees did not become isolated from the feed. > >Ruary Rudd ---------------------------------------------------------- Why use all that heat to make candy? 1 I am sure that I have read some where that candy is not good for bees - something to do with substances which are toxic to bees being produced by the heating process (can anyone assist - or do I have to go throught all the literature?). 2 Using heat is a waste of natural resources (unless you are using solar energy!). 3 Bakers' fondant is simpler. (Q. Is fondant used in countries other than the UK?) > From klok@dolfijn.nl Mon Sep 13 22:01:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail From: Henk Klok Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.ag.beekeeping archives Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:43:03 +0200 Organization: SURFnet BV Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37DD37A7.7B57105B@XXXdolfijn.nl> References: Reply-To: klok@dolfijn.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-145-99-70-194.snelnet.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 937244595 23271 145.99.70.194 (13 Sep 1999 17:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:43:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [nl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: nl Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20966 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > Where is the URL for the archives of this newsgroup? > I think this is what you are looking for: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/sci.agriculture.beekeeping/ -- Henk Klok klok@dolfijn.nl From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 13 22:01:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:02:00 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rjam8$406s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937242120 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Sep 1999 17:02:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:02:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20967 i live in zone 5, se mich,its reaches about 50 degrees in april, something march maybe? are the bees clustered on one frame? >I live in the UK - Midlands. > >No reason not to look in hives in the winter and early spring; provided that >you do not break the cluster then you will not do any harm and may do a >great deal of good. > >It is easiest to look in a hive after dark using a torch - in cold weather >the bees will not fly in the minute or two it takes to check them. If they >have moved to one side leaving empty combs in the centre of the box, i.e. >between them and the stores, then they are in danger of starving if the cold >weather continues. There are two solutions: >1 Move the store combs up to the cluster - do not break the cluster >2 Feed. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 13 22:01:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:05:49 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rjatd$1qes$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937242349 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Sep 1999 17:05:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:05:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20968 thanks to all who answered my question, including the folks who emailed me. i lost track of a couple of emails before i could respond, so please forgive me for not responding. From td64008@link.com Mon Sep 13 22:01:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: venom quantity/quality Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:02:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.210.1.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 13 17:02:34 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 130.210.1.14 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20969 This weekend I received yet another sting, this time though to my hand, usually they don't make it through my gloves. My usual reaction is slight swelling and it itches for a day. This time though, within 2 hours, my hand was swollen to the point that I could barely wiggle my fingers. The swelling went up to my elbow, today (48 hours) it is starting to recede, I can almost touch my thumb to my pinky. Hitting the books I read that 1) bees can only produce venom for a short period of time 2) bees are more aggresive this time of year. Which leads me to my questions. Does the season affect quantity/quality of the venom? Late in the season do bees become more protective and thus turn up the venom production/toxicity? I can't imagine that it is quantity, cause there is a finite space to fill. I am hoping this is common because the alternative is that instead of decreasing my sensitivity I am becoming allergic. Any thoughts? Thanks, Coop Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rudi.creemers@kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be Mon Sep 13 22:01:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.belnet.be!not-for-mail From: Rudi Creemers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dimensions of Dadant hive Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:28:19 +0200 Organization: KULeuven Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37DCDFD3.993B4868@nospam.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be> Reply-To: rudi.creemers@kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: naxos.belnet.be 937222115 7591 134.58.127.3 (13 Sep 1999 11:28:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@belnet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 11:28:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: marvin!unknown@earth.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20970 I'm looking for information: what are the exact inner dimensions (in mm or inch) of a 12 frames Dadant broodnest ??? And from a 10 frames Dadant hive ??? Thanks in advance rudi.creemers@kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 13 22:01:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar conversion Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:01:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7rjcan$6vb$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37D71363.16C32386@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-49.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937243799 7147 62.136.18.177 (13 Sep 1999 17:29:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:29:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20971 Hooper (Guide to Bees and Honey,1976) gives: 16lb sugar gives 2 gallons syrup which weighs 26lbs. This, when fed to the bees, will give 23-24 of stores equivalent to 20 lbs of honey. L.E.G. wrote in message <37nrD71363.16C32386@crosslink.net>... >Hello everybody! >Quick question. Does anybody know the conversion from sugar syrup( 2 to >1 ) to pounds of stores. I think one of my hives is light for the >oncoming winter and I want to feed now before its to late. >I'm 50 miles south of wash. D.C. > >thanks > >L.E.G. > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 13 22:01:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supers and medication Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:29:00 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937243740 000 192.168.254.73 (13 Sep 1999 17:29:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:29:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20972 i took my supers off my hive last week and i am still processing the honey. problem is, i need to put my apistan strips in today. i was hoping to put the supers back on for a few days so the bees could clean them dry and put the extra down below in the main chambers, but wont be finished taking the honey out today.. or maybe i can just put the frames to the side of the hive and have them clean it that way, no? if i put the supers outside of the hive, a few feet away, would the supers still be contaminated with the medication? i am still rethinking this medication thing. i think i will put in the medicine for varroa and foulbrood, just to be safe, only question now if the fumidil, i dont know, i just dont know now.... by the way, i thought i had the recipie for terramycin/suger/grease patties, but cant find it in my records/papers, if anyone knows, please e me at cmbh71c@prodigy.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 13 22:01:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:13:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7rjcap$6vb$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <_a_A3.185$FY2.10003@news2.randori.com> <7ra8pc$75b$2@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-49.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937243801 7147 62.136.18.177 (13 Sep 1999 17:30:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 17:30:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20973 Ruary Rudd <@tinet.ie> wrote in message <7ra8pc$75b$2@scotty.tinet.ie>... > >Jeff & Dee-Anne Crozier wrote in message ><_a_A3.185$FY2.10003@news2.randori.com>... >>I have found that placing sheets of newspaper between the supers takes care >>of any wax moths. They can't stand the smell of the ink. Anyone else done >>this? > > >To be sure of prevention you still need PDB crystal placed on each super, I >have had waxmoth damage in supers stored between sheets of newspaper. > >Ruary Rudd >---------------------------------------------------- Agree - newspapers will not stop wax moth - at least, not the ones around here! (Greater and lesser). From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 13 22:01:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information On Walter T. Kelly Wanted Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:47:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7rjgud$t9d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37d2efee@news.arrakis.es> <37DE63A4.905EBEEB@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-125.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 937248525 29997 62.136.5.253 (13 Sep 1999 18:48:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 18:48:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20974 Steve Badelt wrote in message news:37DE63A4.905EBEEB@earthlink.net... > I kept bees when I was a kid in TN, but now that I'm in CA I can't find any > information on Walter T. Kelly. Could someone who has the address please send > it to me? Also, does anyone on the West Coast have a prefered supplier of > equipment? > > Thanks, > Steve > > Steve Walter T Kelly Co Inc 3107 Elizabethtown Road PO Box 240 Clarkson KY 42726-0240 Tel. (502) 242-2012 Fax (502) 242-4801 Graham From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Sep 13 22:01:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY V's WHITE SUGAR - Nutritiional Value Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <937217204.51511@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:30:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.159 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937251279 38.11.203.159 (Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:39 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20975 Barry Metz said: >I read an article in the local press >yesterday that stated honey and white sugar have the same nutritional > value i.e. NIL. I feel that this is incorrect And you would be right. It might have the same "caloric value" but never the same nutritional value. Barry, we read shit like this in America, all the time. It's the big lie hidden in the little truths. You know better and so do we all. In Napoleonic times, white sugar was known as a dangerous drug and was a "controlled substance" at least for the peasants. Charles Kroeger From hrogers@arkansas.net Mon Sep 13 22:01:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Help in Florida Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:44:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7rjk6c$553$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990911225747.23620.00007106@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 13 19:44:16 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.104 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20976 lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) wrote: > Hi, > A young man (13) asked me, over the internet, what he needs to do to > winterize his hives. I did not feel, being from Washington, it would bee appropriate for me to guess what Fla. needed. Could someone be so kind as to E-mail him and give him a hand? I would like to encourage him so PLEASE no > "read the books" responses unless it is accompanied with other detailed advice. > > Laura ************************************************************* Hi, Laura -- I agree with John's advice, but would add one more thing. Ventilation to prevent moisture from condensation is important. I suggest a 3/8" opening and a 3/8" stick on top of the inner cover with the hole open. This holds the outer cover up to allow ventilation throughtout the hive. If migratory covers are used, put a 1/4" stick under the cover to make a small opening at the top front of the hive for the same purpose. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! *************************************************************** ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Mon Sep 13 22:01:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter honey stores Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:55:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7rjkqe$5kj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 13 19:55:01 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.104 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20977 "Rodney Isom" wrote: > Hi folks, > Do I need to do something to encourage them to store it or > will they do it on their own? > Rodney ****************************************************** Hi, Rodney -- I suggest that you feed them all the concentrated sugar syrup they will take for as long as they will take it. They will find a placeto store it even if they do not draw comb. They are not anxious to draw comb this late in the season. I prefer a top feeder because they seem to take it better (expecially in cold weather) than an entrance feeder If you have any drawn but empty comb not occupied by brood, you could pour or spray the syrup into the empty cell so they will have immediate access to it. A plain board top (plywood etc.) with a hold cut in the center to hold the feeder jar with perforated lid is a good way to give them food in non-flying weather. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 14 05:57:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:20:54 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 937262797 12181 62.136.16.9 (13 Sep 1999 22:46:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 22:46:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20978 td64008@link.com wrote in message <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >This weekend I received yet another sting, this time though to my hand, >usually they don't make it through my gloves. My usual reaction is >slight swelling and it itches for a day. This time though, within 2 >hours, my hand was swollen to the point that I could barely wiggle my >fingers. The swelling went up to my elbow, today (48 hours) it is >starting to recede, I can almost touch my thumb to my pinky. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- Sounds like you are a fairly new beekeeper. Reaction can vary greatly in the early days, but it does usually settle down in time. Venom potency and quantity does vary so your increased reaction could be due to this. However, gross swelling of part of a limb could be an early warning of serious allergy and I would advise caution - have someone with you who knows what to do if there is a serious problem on your next few visits to the bees until you have survived a few more stings! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 14 05:57:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Query: Blackest, Darkest, Richest honey Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:27:13 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7rjusf$bsl$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rer8f$u1f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rh59o$gtl17@news.vtx.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 937262799 12181 62.136.16.9 (13 Sep 1999 22:46:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 22:46:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20979 >> >> I'm seeking the Darkest honey source known to man. Primarily for use >> in mead, beer and cooking. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Some honeydew honey is very dark and rich - although the colour may be due to sooty moulds sometimes. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 14 05:57:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:14:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 937262796 12181 62.136.16.9 (13 Sep 1999 22:46:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 22:46:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20980 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... .. or maybe i can just put the frames to the >side of the hive and have them clean it that way, no? if i put the supers >outside of the hive, a few feet away> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ...you would start a spate of robbing - and it is a great way to spread disease. Put the supers back on the hives late in the evening and the colonies will have settled down by the time morning arrives. The supers will be clean in a couple of days. Before you pump your colonies full of medicines, do establish whether they are in need of them. Would you fill yourself with medicines 'just in case'? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 14 05:57:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.belnet.be!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY V's WHITE SUGAR - Nutritiional Value Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:25:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7rjuse$bsl$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <937217204.51511@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 937262798 12181 62.136.16.9 (13 Sep 1999 22:46:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 22:46:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20981 Barry Metz wrote in message <937217204.51511@wheat.wag.interact.net.au>... >I am a beekeeper in Australia and I read an article in the local press >yesterday that stated honey and white sugar have the same nutritional value >i.e. NIL. I feel that this is incorrect, but I could be biased towards >honey so could somebody give me the facts please. > ------------------------------------------------------ Sugar provides carbohydrate only, i.e. calories! Honey is a bit better because there are some vitamins and minerals - the pollen in it is probably the main source of anything useful. However, the quantities are very small so it is probably not worth trying to promote honey on the basis of good nutritional content. 'Honey' by Dr Eva Crane will give you all the analysis that you need. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 14 05:57:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!skynet.be!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:45:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7rjush$bsl$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rjam8$406s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 937262801 12181 62.136.16.9 (13 Sep 1999 22:46:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 1999 22:46:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20982 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rjam8$406s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >i live in zone 5, se mich,its reaches about 50 degrees in april, >something march maybe? are the bees clustered on one frame? > --------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at the atlas I see that you are quite a bit south of us - this year temperatures here averaged mid 50s in the last week of March and went over 60 in the first week of April. The winter was quite mild and most colonies had 7 or 8 frames (British National) of brood by the end of March - many colonies were wall to wall. Then the weather turned bad and it all went pear shaped! However, although the weather went from one extreme to the other through the season, we had an excellent flow in July (unusual in recent years) and ended with a good season, averaging over 100lbs per colony. From lauramleek@aol.com Tue Sep 14 05:57:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1999 00:14:36 GMT References: <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990913201436.01521.00001938@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20983 Ya. Gotta admit, I do take my vitamins in the A.M. A little preventative maintenance goes a long way in many things. Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Sep 14 05:57:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Po-Boy Liquid Smoke Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:40:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rk5hu$i0j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.110 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 14 00:40:31 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.110 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20984 Hi Folks -- If anyone would like to try liquid smoke, try this: Go to the grocery store and buy a 4 oz bottle of liquid smoke for about a dollar. Put in a 12 oz trigger spray bottle and finish filling with water. Set the spray to a mist and try it. Works great for a quick look or a little work without cranking up the big smoker. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Sep 14 05:57:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of requeening Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:35:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7rk594$htu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7pkhoj$nop$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7pvlsi$57$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7q0ba4$1iik$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.110 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 14 00:35:48 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.110 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20985 "busybee" wrote: > Someone please enlighten me as to why it is necessary to send strips in packaged bees, please? > > --Busybee ************************************************************* Hi, Busy -- I think the main reason is for appearance, but many people think it safer to assume that all bees have some mites. Maybe the breeder just wants to assure us that he/she is making every effort ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gmt@crosslink.net Tue Sep 14 05:57:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.crosslink.net!206.246.124.71.MISMATCH!mojo.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37DDDD59.BFC40675@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:30:02 -0400 From: "L.E.G." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar conversion References: <37D71363.16C32386@crosslink.net> <7rjcan$6vb$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.199.168.78 X-Trace: mojo.crosslink.net 937286701 14677 207.199.168.78 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20986 Thanks Pete that's just what I wanted to know!!!! L.E.G. Peter Edwards wrote: > Hooper (Guide to Bees and Honey,1976) gives: > > 16lb sugar gives 2 gallons syrup which weighs 26lbs. This, when fed to the > bees, will give 23-24 of stores equivalent to 20 lbs of honey. > > L.E.G. wrote in message <37nrD71363.16C32386@crosslink.net>... > >Hello everybody! > >Quick question. Does anybody know the conversion from sugar syrup( 2 to > >1 ) to pounds of stores. I think one of my hives is light for the > >oncoming winter and I want to feed now before its to late. > >I'm 50 miles south of wash. D.C. > > > >thanks > > > >L.E.G. > > From adamf@radix.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hey! It's a new thread! Date: 14 Sep 1999 05:41:20 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rl580$7er$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7rda08$ru6$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990911152239.15561.00003714@ng-ch1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20987 In article <19990911152239.15561.00003714@ng-ch1.aol.com>, Dave Green wrote: > > Is that right, Adam? Nice that you have a sense of humor about it. Thanks Dave. Thanks for all your selfless internet work too! This newsgroup's first articles were posted in 4/94 I think, maybe 3/94. I'll get on the ball and update the FAQ (sorely needs updating) for this newsgroup and Internet beekeeping resources. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From rezzub@my-deja.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rezzub@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bombus vosnesenskii Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:02:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7rl2u6$6h5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.107.252.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 14 09:02:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 WOFPX1, 1.0 ITB-Carp-Member-1, 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 153.107.252.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrezzub Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20988 I am looking for information on Bombus vosnesenskii. Can anyone help? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY V's WHITE SUGAR - Nutritiional Value Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:03:09 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7rlbqj$n3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <937217204.51511@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> <7rjuse$bsl$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937308819 23674 209.130.165.98 (14 Sep 1999 11:33:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 1999 11:33:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20989 My opinion FWIW- Sugar and honey are the same in caloric values. Honey has the advantage for having more nutritional qualities. Raw honey is "off the scale" (comparing to sugar) for added medicinal components. Given the choice of which is better...naturally, it would be honey!!! So which would you rather eat? :-) --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7rjuse$bsl$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Barry Metz wrote in message <937217204.51511@wheat.wag.interact.net.au>... >>I am a beekeeper in Australia and I read an article in the local press >>yesterday that stated honey and white sugar have the same nutritional value >>i.e. NIL. I feel that this is incorrect, but I could be biased towards >>honey so could somebody give me the facts please. >> >------------------------------------------------------ > >Sugar provides carbohydrate only, i.e. calories! > >Honey is a bit better because there are some vitamins and minerals - the >pollen in it is probably the main source of anything useful. However, the >quantities are very small so it is probably not worth trying to promote >honey on the basis of good nutritional content. > >'Honey' by Dr Eva Crane will give you all the analysis that you need. > > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:10:14 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7rlc7s$ptc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937309244 26540 209.130.165.98 (14 Sep 1999 11:40:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 1999 11:40:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20990 I used to have this type of reaction...now I do not notice any swelling. Yes, stings still hurt but I'd like to think I have built up an immunity. --Busybee td64008@link.com wrote in message <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >This weekend I received yet another sting, this time though to my hand, >usually they don't make it through my gloves. My usual reaction is >slight swelling and it itches for a day. This time though, within 2 >hours, my hand was swollen to the point that I could barely wiggle my >fingers. The swelling went up to my elbow, today (48 hours) it is >starting to recede, I can almost touch my thumb to my pinky. > >Hitting the books I read that 1) bees can only produce venom for a short >period of time 2) bees are more aggresive this time of year. Which >leads me to my questions. Does the season affect quantity/quality of >the venom? Late in the season do bees become more protective and thus >turn up the venom production/toxicity? I can't imagine that it is >quantity, cause there is a finite space to fill. > >I am hoping this is common because the alternative is that instead of >decreasing my sensitivity I am becoming allergic. Any thoughts? > >Thanks, > >Coop > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From moonvinedancer@my-deja.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: moonvinedancer@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:16:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.217.218 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 14 10:16:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.174.217.218 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmoonvinedancer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20991 I want to attract bees to my backyard garden, but not sure about becoming a beekeeper. Can you work just one hive? How much does it cost to run a hive? Is there a good book about how to start or an organization in the Sacramento Area? Is there an easier way? Lacking a good buzz, Moonvine Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mister-t@zzclinic.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:07:48 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-60.clinic.net X-Trace: 14 Sep 1999 08:04:43 EST, d-p1-60.clinic.net Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p1-60.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20992 Peter Edwards wrote: > Why use all that heat to make candy? > > 1 I am sure that I have read some where that candy is not good for bees - > something to do with substances which are toxic to bees being produced by > the heating process (can anyone assist - or do I have to go throught all the > literature?). > 2 Using heat is a waste of natural resources (unless you are using solar > energy!). > 3 Bakers' fondant is simpler. (Q. Is fondant used in countries other than > the UK?) > > Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers sugar which contains starch, so not as good as straight sugar. Any additives to sugar, including tartaric acid is bad for bees. Research was done in England many years ago. The researchers found that the order of overwintering in cold climates from best to worst was, dissolved sugar with no or little heat, boiled sugar, honey. Honey is actually worse for overwintering than sugar syrup. Reason is particles in honey. Bees have to void them and if too cold for cleansing flights, poop in hive and you get dysentary. Candy is excellent for feed for bees coming out of winter. If it is over the cluster, it is right there for the bees to eat when raising brood and they do not have to move to get it. Candy, along with other things is why I have not lost a hive in the winter over the past five years- in Maine. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: glenn.west@ptsc.slg.eds.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information On Walter T. Kelly Wanted Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:37:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7rlj2d$hl2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37d2efee@news.arrakis.es> <37DE63A4.905EBEEB@earthlink.net> <7rjgud$t9d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 14 13:37:18 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20993 In article <7rjgud$t9d$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Graham Jones" wrote: > > Steve Badelt wrote in message > news:37DE63A4.905EBEEB@earthlink.net... > > I kept bees when I was a kid in TN, but now that I'm in CA I can't find > any > > information on Walter T. Kelly. Could someone who has the address please > send > > it to me? Also, does anyone on the West Coast have a prefered supplier of > > equipment? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > > Steve > > Walter T Kelly Co Inc > 3107 Elizabethtown Road > PO Box 240 > Clarkson KY 42726-0240 > > Tel. (502) 242-2012 > > Fax (502) 242-4801 > > Graham > > 800 phone number is 1-800-233-2899 ... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From td64008@link.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: td64008@link.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7rlk4c$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.210.1.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 14 13:55:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 130.210.1.14 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjeffcooper Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20994 In article <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > > Sounds like you are a fairly new beekeeper. Reaction can vary greatly in > the early days, but it does usually settle down in time. Venom potency and > quantity does vary so your increased reaction could be due to this. > > However, gross swelling of part of a limb could be an early warning of > serious allergy and I would advise caution - have someone with you who knows > what to do if there is a serious problem on your next few visits to the bees > until you have survived a few more stings! > > This is my first year back after an absence of 15+ years. I thought I had read somewhere that it takes around 10 stings a year to maintain your immune response, so I was surprised by my reaction this time (having been stung at least ten times so far) I was stung in the throat and lip 2-3 weeks ago and had little reaction, which lead me to my possibly false conclusion about increased potency later in the season. Maybe I just found an overachiever in the hive 8-) I guess I will know more this weekend, when I pull off the supers. Thanks Coop Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From shuston@riverace.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:25 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <37DE5B11.97497A77@riverace.com> References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: rYVqA8L/FtSOrZt9PINo5b27x17NJovJaseogoyidIM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 1999 14:26:28 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20995 moonvinedancer@my-deja.com wrote: > > I want to attract bees to my backyard garden, but not sure about > becoming a beekeeper. It might be a good idea to locate a beekeeper in your area and hang out with him/her for a year and see how you like it and what's involved. > Can you work just one hive? Sure! > How much does it cost to run a hive? First year, starting from scratch, $300-$400, depending on what equipment you buy. Assuming you can keep your bees alive, following years are much less expensive. If you sell honey, you may be back in the black after a couple of years. > Is there a good book about how to start Several. Check the archives of this group for recommendations. > organization in the Sacramento Area? Don't know - I'm in Massachusetts. > Is there an easier way? You could find a local beekeeper with a bunch of hives and see if they'll locate one or two in your yard. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:27:19 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.131 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 937326820 20016 12.72.48.131 (14 Sep 1999 16:33:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 1999 16:33:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20996 If you want to attract honey bees, there will have to be a colony somewhere within about a 1.5 mile radius. If you have not seen bees in your garden, there probably aren't any nearby. I am in the Mckinley Park area and keep 2 hives in my backyard. The honey bees largely ignore my yard (sage, lavender, citrus, etc) and head for the star thistle around the American River parkway. Carpenter bees however provide a constant buzz in the yard. 1 hive is possible but 2 is easier and the learning curve is reduced. Cost can be next to nothing for a top bar hive (TBH) that you construct out of scrap lumber. Search the archives or the Net for info on TBH. If you are truly interested, stop by Sacramento Beekeeping Supplies at 21st and X. You can also get info on the Sacramento Area Beekeepers Assoc. there. Where are you located? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I want to attract bees to my backyard garden, but not sure about > becoming a beekeeper. Can you work just one hive? How much does it > cost to run a hive? Is there a good book about how to start or an > organization in the Sacramento Area? Is there an easier way? > > Lacking a good buzz, > > Moonvine > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bombus vosnesenskii Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <3HXeNwo=GIGy6C1qRbsjxhNNJ=XE@4ax.com> References: <7rl2u6$6h5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.33 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937328403 38.31.18.33 (Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:00:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:00:03 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20997 rezzub ask: >I am looking for information on Bombus vosnesenskii. > Can anyone help? Well, not much help; but, it is a bumblebee of North America whose range is from British Columbia south to California, Nevada, and Mexico, including Baja California. The extreme color variations of bumblebee species are apparent if you see color plates of the 60 odd species within North and Central America. B. (Bombus) vosnesenskii looks superficially identical to B. californicus, and B. vandykei. If I had a fancy scanner I could include a .jpg file of the bee in question, but I don't. To pass along a quote from my source of bumblebee knowledge, "Bumblebee Economics, by Bernd Heinrich, (ISBN 0-674-08581-7 paperback) Mr. Heinrich points out this important fact: "Bees EVOLVED from their wasplike ancestors some 100 million years ago, while Homo has been on the scene for scarcely 2 million years. Yet, we consider these creatures to be below us on the evolutionary scale. If we reflect, however, that our evolutionary history (yes virginia, as apes and humans) is exceedingly brief in comparison with theirs (as bees), and that they have evolved very far along entirely different lines, then we can see that from the insect's perspective, we may well be lower. As I hate to miss an opportunity to editorialize along with a few scientific facts, I would just say that from our global behavior patterns as a species, we are obviously some kind of parasitic form of life that eventually kills it's host, rare among parasites, but true nonetheless; not a very high form of life at all. Charles Kroeger From lmintz@mitre.org Wed Sep 15 20:07:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!not-for-mail From: Lee Mintz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another Bee less question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:54 -0400 Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37DE7F82.343CE105@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mintz-nt.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: top.mitre.org 937328553 6890 128.29.39.100 (14 Sep 1999 17:02:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 1999 17:02:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-19990607M (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20998 My father has a fairly large backyard garden but no (or very few) bees. (Twenty or so years ago there were plenty of bees.) It drives him nuts to see so many fruit and vegetable flowers go unpollinated. Since he's not really interested in keeping bees or gathering honey, I was wondering if a hive would survive if he set one up and just left it alone. If so, for how long? If not, what would be the bare minimum of care required to maintain a hive? BTW, he lives in Virginia Beach, VA - about 8 miles from the ocean but close to a marsh. Thanks, lee From bobpursley@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sugar Board Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 1999 18:11:40 GMT References: <19990902073109.14122.00001931@ng-ft1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990914141140.02189.00000105@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20999 > >Does anyone know how to make a sugar board? A gentleman once told me that >he >puts one in every hive before winter just in case the bees run short of >stored >honey. Frankly, this is one of the few purposes that an Inner Cover can be well used for, in my estimation. From hrogers@arkansas.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:50 EDT 1999 Article: 21000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Bee less question Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:00:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7rmnjg$bof$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37DE7F82.343CE105@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.75 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 00:00:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.75 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21000 *********************************************************** Howdy, Lee -- There is no simple answer to your question, except to say that bees are livestock and need care and attention to survive, even if you do not want production. I suggest that he contact a local beekeeper and try to rent a colony for the pollination. Expect to pay, but that would probably be better than to try to set up a hive and offer it no help. Good luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From honeybs@radix.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:50 EDT 1999 Article: 21001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Charlie Mraz died yesterday Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:23:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7rmubq$kge$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21001 Charlie Mraz, the grandfather of apitherapy died yesterday in his home in Vermont. I think he was 95 or 96. I had the pleasure of sitting and talking with him several years ago. That will always be one of my beekeeping highlights. Charlie invented many beekeeping devices. One of the most noteable is the fume board. He also built venom collecting devices. I believe he also had something to do with building the chain uncapper, but I am not sure. I am sure that many of you can add to the list of his accomplishments. Greg the beekeep . // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From gwoods@albany.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:51 EDT 1999 Article: 21002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Gary Woods Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Charlie Mraz died yesterday Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:39:23 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7rmubq$kge$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p24.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21002 honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: >I am sure that many of you can add to the list of his >accomplishments. Only that he spoke to our Beekeepers' association in Upstate NY more years ago than I'll admit on the benefits of bee venom. A "One of a kind" in the very best way. -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B From amschelp@pe.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:52 EDT 1999 Article: 21003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Message-ID: References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 937363266 216.100.16.35 (Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:41:06 EDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:46:28 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21003 Please tell me how you can be sure upon which flowers your bees forage? In article <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net says... > The honey bees largely ignore my yard (sage, lavender, > citrus, etc) and head for the star thistle around the American River > parkway > From amschelp@pe.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Outlook on Peer to Peer Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 937363701 216.100.16.35 (Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:48:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:48:21 EDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:53:44 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21004 We are evaluating Microsoft Outlook on our ten terminal peer to peer network. One of the secretaries typed in all the data on clients and now the other users would like to be able to access that file. I looked for the file in the Outlook sub-directory, but I didn't find a computer file which contained all that client data. I was going to just copy that file onto all the other computers, but I couldn't find it. Can someone tell me how we can share these Outlook files on our peer to peer network? Thank You. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:54 EDT 1999 Article: 21005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: 15 Sep 1999 03:20:05 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937365605 000 192.168.254.73 (15 Sep 1999 03:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 03:20:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21005 thanks, although i only have one hive, didnt have to worry about that kind of robbing this season. > >....you would start a spate of robbing - and it is a great way to spread >disease. Put the supers back on the hives late in the evening and the >colonies will have settled down by the time morning arrives. The supers >will be clean in a couple of days. > From amschelp@pe.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:54 EDT 1999 Article: 21006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oops! Wrong Newsgroup Sorry! Re: Outlook on Peer to Peer Message-ID: References: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 937369287 216.100.16.35 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:27 EDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:26:49 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21006 First mistake I made all day! (sheepish grin). In article , amschelp@pe.net says... > We are evaluating Microsoft Outlook on our ten terminal peer to > peer network. One of the secretaries typed in all the data on From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Bee less question Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 04:33:55 GMT References: <7rmnjg$bof$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915003355.02179.00000432@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21007 He could also set up Mason bee nests. VERY low maintenance and great pollination. Laura From gorvi@a-teleport.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:56 EDT 1999 Article: 21008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.alkar.net!not-for-mail From: "gorvi" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.chemical,odessa.commerce.metals,odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.chemical,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.raw-materials,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ÎÕ ÏÞÅÎØ ÄÅÛÅ×Ï ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:11:01 +0400 Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7rnrh0$npu$3@pandora.alkar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.248.164.64 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.chemical:174425 relcom.commerce.metals:231038 relcom.commerce.raw-materials:45784 relcom.commerce.transport:138960 sci.agriculture:37205 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21008 sci.agriculture.fruit:3048 0562 32-35-75, 93-59-70 ÷ÉÔÁÌÉÊ îÉËÏÌÁÅ×ÉÞ From honeybs@radix.net Wed Sep 15 20:07:57 EDT 1999 Article: 21009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.chemical,odessa.commerce.metals,odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.chemical,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.raw-materials,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ÎÕ ÏÞÅÎØ ÄÅÛÅ×Ï ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:09:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ro0m2$aba$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7rnrh0$npu$3@pandora.alkar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.chemical:174456 relcom.commerce.metals:231078 relcom.commerce.raw-materials:45809 relcom.commerce.transport:138971 sci.agriculture:37211 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21009 sci.agriculture.fruit:3049 "gorvi" wrote: >0562 32-35-75, 93-59-70 ÷ÉÔÁÌÉÊ îÉËÏÌÁÅ×ÉÞ I found my decoder ring but it doesn't have all those thingys on top of the letters. I don't know where this guy lives but they must have some ugly women judging by their measurements! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:58 EDT 1999 Article: 21010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:49:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915074938.01537.00000565@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21010 >Please tell me how you can be sure upon which flowers your bees >forage? use a microscope to idenify the pollen type Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:07:59 EDT 1999 Article: 21011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hurricane woes Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:56:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21011 Well its that time again 3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it really gets bad. Damn i love beekeeping Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days Big Johnson signing off. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From moonvinedancer@my-deja.com Wed Sep 15 20:08:00 EDT 1999 Article: 21012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: moonvinedancer@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:52:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rntq5$67a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.217.226 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 10:52:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.174.217.226 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmoonvinedancer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21012 > If you are truly interested, stop by Sacramento Beekeeping Supplies at 21st > and X. You can also get info on the Sacramento Area Beekeepers Assoc. there. > > Where are you located? I am in North Highlands. Thanks for the information, I think I will stop by the shop and pick up some books and see if maybe this isn't the hobbie for me, or at lest someone who needs a place for a hive. Moonvine Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lynnmor@netvision.net.il Wed Sep 15 20:08:01 EDT 1999 Article: 21013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail From: Dan Colson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Measure salt in foods Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:47:13 -0700 Organization: R & D Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37DF8741.5CA3@netvision.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: ras5-p3.jlm.netvision.net.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 937398275 27437 62.0.163.3 (15 Sep 1999 12:24:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 12:24:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21013 Measure salt in foods & agriculture Compact portable meter measures salt directly in various foods such as meats, fish, cheeses, honey, pizza, soups, candy, cereals, and various beverages. System can also be used to measure salt in soil, fertilizer, and water. For more information click the following web page. http://www.laboratorymart.com/cgi-bin/nph-tame/lab/food-analysis/sr-6250l.tam From bizziebees@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:08:02 EDT 1999 Article: 21014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (BizzieBees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from New Beekeeper (Hobbyist) Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 13:36:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915093649.02299.00000522@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21014 You may want to check the pollen stores. All of my hive are "plugged out". This can create a very congested brood nest. From bizziebees@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:08:03 EDT 1999 Article: 21015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (BizzieBees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:05:02 GMT References: <7r6mlm$ec18@news.vtx.ch> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915100502.02299.00000530@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21015 Hi. I have achived sucess doing the method a couple of the others suggested. But, I am assuming that you have no nuc. No equipment etc. Try calling your local co-op. extention service. They will give you the name of a beekeeper in your area. You may discuss the cone method to him/her. If the Apiarist accepts the challenge, maybe he/she will give you a nuc next spring. All you gotta do is get a queen then! And, you'll have a mentor. From ernie@nospamwhro.net Wed Sep 15 20:08:04 EDT 1999 Article: 21016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Another Bee less question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37DE7F82.343CE105@mitre.org> Message-ID: <01beff5d$de103c80$38a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.56 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 937388325 198.76.162.56 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:38:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:38:45 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21016 Where in Va. Beach? To reply to me by e-mail remove the nospam from the address. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Lee Mintz wrote in article <37DE7F82.343CE105@mitre.org>... BTW, he lives in Virginia Beach, VA - From bizziebees@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:08:05 EDT 1999 Article: 21017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:22:09 GMT References: <7qtqvl$rj$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915112209.01884.00000093@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21017 Hi Peter...not sure if this is your name or not? I am very interested in Thymol. Can you explain the chemical to me? We over here in the USA are currently using Fluvalinate for varroa control. Love to hear/read your imput. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Sep 15 20:08:06 EDT 1999 Article: 21018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Date: 15 Sep 1999 03:30:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937366251 000 192.168.254.73 (15 Sep 1999 03:30:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 03:30:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21018 I was out in the hive tending to my bees and guess what little devils began to harrass me and the hive, yellow jackets. my bees were giving me little to no trouble, but to see these little punks pestering my bees and drinking up their honey made me furious. i am sure i was a laugh riot cussing out loud. one yellow jacket was killing a bee on ground near the hive and i got so angry i stomped it. stupid i guess, will killing yj's near the hive set off the attack mode in bees like killing a bee? when i kill a bee by mistake, i blow smoke on it to cover the smell, is this the same thing? what do i do about these little monsters? i wish i could find the nest... From bizziebees@aol.com Wed Sep 15 20:08:07 EDT 1999 Article: 21019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:00:39 GMT References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915110039.01884.00000087@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21019 Hi Shelley Y.Js are carnivorous. Our friends the honeybees a vegatarian. It is a cruel world. It may be a nice thought to think that those so called "punks" life cycles are nearing an end. They are not social insects and soon will perish over the colder months ahead. I think as far as killing goes stomp away! Just not to loudly. The oder is only a problem when you yourself are stung by the hives occupants. They then smell their alarm pheromone on you and you become the perpitraitor open for a stinging fest! From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 15 20:08:08 EDT 1999 Article: 21020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:10:09 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7roka3$15r$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.85 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 937415811 1211 12.72.51.85 (15 Sep 1999 17:16:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 17:16:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21020 Time of year and location. I live about 1/4 miles as the crow flies from a protected green belt along the American River. Not much in the way of other forage between this area and my house. Yellow star thistle is so abundant in No. Cal that it can account for as much as 70% of the harvest. It is pretty apparent when they are working the star thistle. It comes in fast and furious on the hot summer days and is very distinctive in color. Take a lot of vitamin C and then pee into a jar and you just about have the color. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.1248a85f34d03da49897dd@news.pe.net... > Please tell me how you can be sure upon which flowers your bees > forage? > > > In article <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, > gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net says... > > The honey bees largely ignore my yard (sage, lavender, > > citrus, etc) and head for the star thistle around the American River > > parkway > > From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 15 20:08:09 EDT 1999 Article: 21021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:05:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7roqob$vg8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-42.flonase.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937422411 32264 62.136.67.170 (15 Sep 1999 19:06:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 19:06:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21021 It sounds like you have a 'large local reaction', which although can be scary, it is not at all life- threatening. Your reaction may or may not progress to a systemic reaction, which again is even more scary, but still not life-threatening. There is no evidence to suggest that either lead to Anaphylactic Shock which is the only life-threatening reaction. I suffer with a systemic reaction only in the early season, before my immunity is built up again. Strangely, I only get a reaction late at night, when I am out moving bees and only if I am stung on my neck! I know that if I sit quietly, the reaction will pass in about 20 minutes, but someone usually calls for an ambulance as I must look quite ill. My doctor has given me an Epipen to use, but I have never had the need to do so. It is my understanding that bees have a limited amount of venom. Maybe a young bee gives you more clout than an older one. Graham wrote in message news:7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > This weekend I received yet another sting, this time though to my hand, > usually they don't make it through my gloves. My usual reaction is > slight swelling and it itches for a day. This time though, within 2 > hours, my hand was swollen to the point that I could barely wiggle my > fingers. The swelling went up to my elbow, today (48 hours) it is > starting to recede, I can almost touch my thumb to my pinky. > > Hitting the books I read that 1) bees can only produce venom for a short > period of time 2) bees are more aggresive this time of year. Which > leads me to my questions. Does the season affect quantity/quality of > the venom? Late in the season do bees become more protective and thus > turn up the venom production/toxicity? I can't imagine that it is > quantity, cause there is a finite space to fill. > > I am hoping this is common because the alternative is that instead of > decreasing my sensitivity I am becoming allergic. Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Coop > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Wed Sep 15 20:08:10 EDT 1999 Article: 21022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trapping Pollen Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:16:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rouqb$vol$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7r75n2$gov$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 20:16:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21022 Kerr -- After I sent the message a short time ago, I found the ad. CC Pollen Co. 3627 E. Indian River School Rd. Phoenix, AZ 85018 1-800-875-0096 Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Wed Sep 15 20:08:11 EDT 1999 Article: 21023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trapping Pollen Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:47:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7rot3s$uci$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7r75n2$gov$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 19:47:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.99 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21023 kerrdog@my-deja.com wrote: I was given the traps, but now I am trying to find out the > economic possibilities before I set up a couple hundred hives for > trapping. Please help. *********************************************************** Howdy Kerr -- About a dozen years ago I trapped from about 30 hives and sold it with fair success. It has to be collected often and dried quickly to prevent mold. I say an add in one of the journals recently -- for selling pollen. I wrote to them and was told that they only bought large amounts. I'm not big enough to qualify. I can not find that ad now. Maybe someone will remember where it is. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! *********************************************************** ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 20:08:12 EDT 1999 Article: 21024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:40:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Sep 15 13:45:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust50.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E003E2.61D6@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21024 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > Well its that time again > 3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing > equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it > soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, > honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, > trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it > really gets bad. > > Damn i love beekeeping > > Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days > Big Johnson signing off. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC And bees as mad and mean as I have ever seen them. Some bees still hanging on the outside drowned. Beats me why they didn't go inside. Don in NC From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:48 EDT 1999 Article: 21025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:44:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7rp7cm$54c$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990913201436.01521.00001938@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937435350 5260 62.136.13.167 (15 Sep 1999 22:42:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:42:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21025 LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990913201436.01521.00001938@ng-cd1.aol.com>... >Ya. Gotta admit, I do take my vitamins in the A.M. A little preventative >maintenance goes a long way in many things. > >Laura ---------------------------------------------- But taking a few vitamins is a very different matter from the misuse of antibiotics. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 21026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:06:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7rp7cp$54c$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rlk4c$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937435353 5260 62.136.13.167 (15 Sep 1999 22:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:42:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21026 td64008@link.com wrote in message <7rlk4c$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, I guess I will know >more this weekend, when I pull off the supers ---------------------------- Good luck! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:50 EDT 1999 Article: 21027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7rp850$5oh$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qtqvl$rj$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990915112209.01884.00000093@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937436128 5905 62.136.91.83 (15 Sep 1999 22:55:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:55:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21027 Bees wrote in message <19990915112209.01884.00000093@ng-fy1.aol.com>... >Hi Peter...not sure if this is your name or not? I am very interested in >Thymol. Can you explain the chemical to me? We over here in the USA are >currently using Fluvalinate for varroa control. Love to hear/read your imput. I will e-mail you an article that I produced for our association newsletter. If anyone else would like a copy please e-mail me. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:50 EDT 1999 Article: 21028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:49:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7rp84v$5oh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990915110039.01884.00000087@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937436127 5905 62.136.91.83 (15 Sep 1999 22:55:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:55:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21028 Bees wrote in message <19990915110039.01884.00000087@ng-fy1.aol.com>... They are not social insects... --------------------------------------------- I think that they are! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 21029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:04:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937435351 5260 62.136.13.167 (15 Sep 1999 22:42:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:42:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21029 Bill Truesdell wrote in message <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net>... >Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers >sugar which contains starch, . --------------------------------------------------------------- Baker's fondant is a mixture of powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - nothing else - and is used for icing cakes. It is rather like candy to use, but does not require the use of heat to prepare it. Feeding is simplicity itself - it comes in 12.5 kg blocks (about 27lbs) wrapped in polythene and I simply slice the block in half and place it cut side down on the excluder. If you feed early in the autumn, the bees will take it down and put it in the combs - later in the winter they will eat up into the block as they need it. Fondant can be fed at any time of the year (unlike sugar syrup) and is invaluable for emergency spring feeding if we get some really bad weather. Commercial beekeepers have been using it in this country for the past 30 years. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 21030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:44:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7rp84u$5oh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937436126 5905 62.136.91.83 (15 Sep 1999 22:55:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:55:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21030 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >thanks, although i only have one hive, didnt have to worry about that >kind of robbing this season. > ---------------------------------------------------------- bees belonging to other beekeepers in the area can rob your hive. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sat Sep 18 05:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 21031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Never a Dull Moment Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:17:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7rpcu4$a9c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 00:17:18 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21031 Howdy Folks -- On August 15 I had a nuc holding a Queen for possible use later. The nuc was a medium super with just enough bees to keep things going. I stopped by to check on it (at least a mile from any known hive) and found the super front and top covered with bees acting just like a swarm. They were fanning and making themselves at home. The queen was on the ground 4 feet in front of the hive with a small cluster of her bees around her. I captured her, took her to another yard and established another nuc to keep her in. When I went back an hour later to check on the swarm which had taken over the little hive, I found that ALL bees were gone, including the ones which belonged there. August is really too late for a true swarm here in east Texas. My conclusion is that a supercedure queen from some hollow tree went out for mating and the swarm followed. When they discovered that they were there all alone with no queen, they went back home. How does this theory sound? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From char-virg-rodenNOiySPAM@mindspring.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: croden35 Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <000b8d9b.55501e42@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Lines: 45 Bytes: 1944 X-Originating-Host: 209.86.22.90 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Wren-Trace: eP3Y8PHor+WuvuH06vDq/f3poOr3/bjl2Pz78PD69K/79bqy8LLls6OsoLar66C4rr+oog== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:41:13 +1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.10 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937442197 10.0.2.10 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:36:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:36:37 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21032 I know what you mean about the devils called yellow jackets. I am very familiar with the...visually and physically. Now, this afternoon I was checking on my asian pear/apples and noticed some large bee-like creatures boreing into the fruit. Suddenly one of the varmints zapped me just above my right elbow. It is still stinging and there is a red spot approzimately 2.5 inches in diameter. This insect looks very much like a yellow jacket, similiar colloring, etc, but it is about 4 times as large. I have never seen them before...even on the same fruit. They may be a type of hornet, but they certainly do not have the hornet markings. could you, perhaps help me with an identification? I have been searching the net for information and, hopefully, some pictures with which to compare. I plan to try to capture one of the little buggars for additional identification. I will appreciate your reply. Charles In article <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > I was out in the hive tending to my bees and guess > what little devils > began to harrass me and the hive, yellow jackets. my > bees were giving me > little to no trouble, but to see these little punks > pestering my bees and > drinking up their honey made me furious. i am sure i > was a laugh riot > cussing out loud. one yellow jacket was killing a bee > on ground near the > hive and i got so angry i stomped it. stupid i guess, > will killing yj's > near the hive set off the attack mode in bees like > killing a bee? when i > kill a bee by mistake, i blow smoke on it to cover the > smell, is this the > same thing? what do i do about these little monsters? > i wish i could find > the nest... * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From char-virg-rodenNOqnSPAM@mindspring.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: croden35 Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <09920fb9.56bd0030@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Lines: 16 Bytes: 778 X-Originating-Host: 209.86.22.90 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Wren-Trace: eEdiSktSFV8UBFtOUEpQR0dTGlBNRwJfYkZBSkpAThVBTwAISghfCRkWGgwRURoCFAUSGA== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:41 +1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.10 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937442524 10.0.2.10 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:04 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21033 With regard to the yellow jackets. I forgot to answer your question in my last reply. I have alwaus found YJ's living in a hole in the ground, but I suppose they may live elsewhere. I find a good mixture of gasoline and motor oil poured into the hole and ignited works very well. You have to be quick, however, because they WILL come our to see who's calling. Nighttime is a good time to try this. I have also loaded a pressure sprayer with strong insecticide and simply placed the nozzel into the hole and let er fly. m Have to be careful of alternate routes to the nest, however. Good luck. Charles * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Sep 18 05:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 21034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:30:32 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7rpbvn$kee$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-102.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937440055 20942 209.130.165.102 (16 Sep 1999 00:00:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 00:00:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21034 Hang on East Coast - our thoughts and prayers are with you! --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com>... >Well its that time again >3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing >equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it >soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, >honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, >trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it >really gets bad. > >Damn i love beekeeping > >Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days >Big Johnson signing off. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Sat Sep 18 05:25:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news3.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37E043D7.15ABC73A@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: U.K. Baker's Fondant in U.S.?(was Re: Starving Bees...) References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:11:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.74 X-Trace: news3.mco 937444316 209.214.198.74 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:11:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:11:56 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21035 Does what our friend in the U.K refer to as baker's fondant exist in the U.S. in a similar form? Does anyone know what one would ask for here in the U.S.? Thanks, Bill Daniels Peter Edwards wrote: > Bill Truesdell wrote in message <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net>... > > >Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers > >sugar which contains starch, . > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Baker's fondant is a mixture of powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - > nothing else - and is used for icing cakes. It is rather like candy to use, > but does not require the use of heat to prepare it. > > Feeding is simplicity itself - it comes in 12.5 kg blocks (about 27lbs) > wrapped in polythene and I simply slice the block in half and place it cut > side down on the excluder. If you feed early in the autumn, the bees will > take it down and put it in the combs - later in the winter they will eat up > into the block as they need it. Fondant can be fed at any time of the year > (unlike sugar syrup) and is invaluable for emergency spring > feeding if we get some really bad weather. > > Commercial beekeepers have been using it in this country for the past 30 > years. From gordonz@erols.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: gordonz@erols.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's the honey? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:34:14 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37e045d6.43316322@news.erols.com> References: <19990908151523.27472.00006541@ng-cr1.aol.com> X-Trace: w6glB4EtmsfEYZ5DdFxN/7HxDswT8WCpC2N8nZxw7dI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 01:34:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21036 The bees will only build comb if there is a honey flow going on so the fact that they aren't building comb is normal if you have had the heat and drought that we have had here. My supers were also being ignored up until a couple of weeks ago. It rained and enough flowering plants recovered that the first super was about half drawn and full on Sunday when I checked. I am using Mann Lake's cellrite which is plastic foundation and the bees draw it fine when there's something to store. If you have two deep hive bodies and they are full the bees probably have what they need for the winter so you've covered what is critical. Are you using a queen excluder? If you are it does somewhat retard the bees from using the super but, if there is a strong honey flow they will draw it anyway. Gordonz@erols.com On 08 Sep 1999 19:15:23 GMT, g25778@aol.com (G25778) wrote: >This is my first year keeping bees. I got 2 hives this last spring. They did >great and had the bottom hive full of brood and honey before long so I added a >second hive body on each. About 2 months ago they had the 2nd hive full so I >added a honey super to each hive. I used the plastic comb cassettes. To date >they have done nothing in these, not even any comb. Like I said I added >cassette supers about 2 months ago. The bees seem fine, good population. The >last 2 months here have been hot (highs around 100) and not a whole lot of wild >flowers for them, but there are some and a couple of gardens around. Could the >heat and lack of a large number of flowers be why they have not done anything >in the honey supers? Should they have at least drawn out some comb over the >last two months? Could it be they simply don't like these plastic cassettes? >Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 21037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killing yellow jackets Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:53:53 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37E02381.1402@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.01.f6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1999 02:38:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21037 Yes, burning gas does work but so does soapy water, and this is kinder to local green plants. Apply any type of nest killer in the dark. From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 21038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oops! Wrong Newsgroup Sorry! Re: Outlook on Peer to Peer Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:58:45 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <37E024A5.4B3D@mindspring.com> References: Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.01.f6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1999 02:43:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21038 WOW! You make only one mistake a day! How do you get it so low??? P-) From gfpmus@hotmail.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:57 EDT 1999 Article: 21039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: gfpmus@hotmail.com (George Prehmus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: identifying Africanized bees Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:31:47 GMT Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-83-066.prc.primenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: @207.218.83.66 (gfpmus) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21039 Is it possible to visually identify africanized bees? I have lots of bees in my neighborhood, Central Arizona, and there may be some of those here. I would like to be able to know. Thanks much Geo From spcherub@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:25:58 EDT 1999 Article: 21040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 04:49:16 GMT References: <09920fb9.56bd0030@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916004916.02196.00000771@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21040 >I have alwaus found YJ's living in a hole in the ground, >but I suppose they may live elsewhere. I find a good >mixture of gasoline and motor oil poured into the hole and >ignited works very well. Ditto...I've tried just about everything, including the soapy water bit, but it turns out that my grandpa did know the best way to get rid of a Yellowjacket nest. From cizumi@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp Sat Sep 18 05:25:58 EDT 1999 Article: 21041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.join.ad.jp!news-sv.sinet!news.tosho-u.ac.jp!not-for-mail From: Chieko Izumi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarming and queen excluder Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:33:40 +0900 Organization: Zosen Lines: 2 Message-ID: <37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: cizumi@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp NNTP-Posting-Host: zosen.u.tosho-u.ac.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21041 Is it possible to stop swarming by putting a queen excluder at the hive entrance and making it impossible for queens to escape? From boothmus@pavilion.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 21042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:10:25 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Message-ID: <37e0dcf5.14767849@news.pavilion.net> References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-57.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 937484278 3730 194.242.139.57 (16 Sep 1999 12:17:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 12:17:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21042 On 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: >okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and >scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the >comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the >original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this >isnt right, is it? > Place honey/wax mix in a sieve over a bucket. Place bucket and sieve in a warming cabinet or closset - heat the inside of the cabinet/closset with a 60 W light bulb. Leave for a few days/week. The heat will not be strong enough to melt the wax (shouldn't be) but the honey will warm, go thin and drain through to collect in the bucket. You can then fine filter the collected honey. When granulation occurs with honey in the comb scrapping down to the midrib of the comb is the only thing you can do other than cutting the entire comb out and warming as above (I've just had to deal with 600lb like this!). You did right but really if the honey is not set in the comb you should have uncapped (just cut off the cappings) and spun the frames in an extractor to spin out the honey. Then filter. Gerald Legg (Dr), Brighton. England. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Sep 18 05:25:59 EDT 1999 Article: 21043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:10:54 GMT References: <7rqjo7$jp4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916091054.02180.00000735@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21043 I was under the impression that the only way to ID AHB was through mitochondrial DNA. Other methods are inconclusive unless you count being stung badly. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:00 EDT 1999 Article: 21044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:18:12 GMT References: <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990916091812.01521.00000336@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21044 In article <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net>, gfpmus@hotmail.com (George Prehmus) writes: > >Is it possible to visually identify africanized bees? I have lots of >bees in my neighborhood, Central Arizona, and there may be some of >those here. I would like to be able to know. > Thanks much > From my experience, no. However, on a behaviour basis, in my area, it is easy. I suspect you do have them. I wish someone would rewrite the bee books, my 30 years of keeping bees have little revelance to what I have to do now: things such as requeening, establishing nucs, finding the queen, robbing control, and stinging response are unlike anything I ever encountered. Good luck. I saw a recent TV video clip on bees in the South arizona, the bees completely covered the camera lens and cut off all light. The camerman and reported didn't speak of AHB, but when I saw it, I knew they were there too. AHB dont like patches of black, on cameras or otherwise. Bob From bizziebees@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:01 EDT 1999 Article: 21045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:48:07 GMT References: <7rp84v$5oh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916094807.02691.00000913@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21045 My sincere apologies. It is true they belong to the family Vespidae and are considered a social wasp. I was making reference to the Polybiine or Paper Wasps, of which some are not wholey social. Thanks for the correction. I do appreciate the oportunity to correct myself. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:01 EDT 1999 Article: 21046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:05:28 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq4ro$3fbs$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rp84u$5oh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937465528 000 192.168.254.73 (16 Sep 1999 07:05:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:05:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21046 nah...i live in in the city. i doubt its that much of a problem. >bees belonging to other beekeepers in the area can rob your hive. > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:02 EDT 1999 Article: 21047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey looks like? Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:28:55 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937466935 000 192.168.253.46 (16 Sep 1999 07:28:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:28:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21047 okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this isnt right, is it? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:03 EDT 1999 Article: 21048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey looks like? Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:31:16 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq6c4$3n6m$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937467076 000 192.168.253.46 (16 Sep 1999 07:31:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:31:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21048 okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this isnt right, is it? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:03 EDT 1999 Article: 21049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey looks like? Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937466859 000 192.168.254.73 (16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21049 okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this isnt right, is it? From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:04 EDT 1999 Article: 21050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming and queen excluder Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:29:59 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <7rr2pp$er3$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.48 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 937496185 15203 12.72.49.48 (16 Sep 1999 15:36:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 15:36:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21050 No. They will just leave with the first virgin to emerge. Prior to mating, she will be able to pass through the QX with no problem. Work with the bees biology. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Chieko Izumi wrote in message news:37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp... > Is it possible to stop swarming by putting a queen excluder at the hive > entrance and making it impossible for queens to escape? From bizziebees@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:05 EDT 1999 Article: 21051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 14:30:41 GMT References: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916103041.02689.00000816@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21051 Do you have access to an extractor? When you set up your frames did you intend to use an extractor and purchase foundation condusive to this process? I know that some people still simply squeeze the honey out of the cut comb. That is of course if they want it out of the comb. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:26:06 EDT 1999 Article: 21052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:27:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7rrd1j$kr5$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rp84u$5oh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rq4ro$3fbs$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937506675 21349 62.136.7.71 (16 Sep 1999 18:31:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:31:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21052 Your choice! Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rq4ro$3fbs$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >nah...i live in in the city. i doubt its that much of a problem. > > >>bees belonging to other beekeepers in the area can rob your hive. >> > From orangerose@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:07 EDT 1999 Article: 21053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:05:42 GMT References: <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916140542.01704.00001211@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21053 >>Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers >>sugar which contains starch, . > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >Baker's fondant is a mixture of powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - Umm. I am a baking and candy-making hobbyist. AFAIK, powdered sugar and confectioner's sugar are the same thing. And powdered sugar *does* contain corn starch. That's what makes it fluffy. OTOH, fondant can be made from a sugar syrup cooked to "soft ball" and beaten. Much the same way taffy is made. If you want recipes, I can post them. Don't know if they are appropriate for bees or not. Kelly From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Sep 18 05:26:08 EDT 1999 Article: 21054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 19:13:20 GMT References: <19990916141612.01704.00001212@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916151320.02306.00001111@ng-fm1.aol.com> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21054 He died Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From orangerose@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:08 EDT 1999 Article: 21055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:16:12 GMT References: <19990916091812.01521.00000336@ngol03.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916141612.01704.00001212@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21055 I'm surprised that I haven't read about it here, but a few weeks ago there was a report on the local news about a hobby beekeeper in Southern California who was stung nearly to death by his hive/hives while mowing his lawn. I only watch the news sporadically so I didn't hear the end of it, but there was much noise about testing the hive (DNA) for AHB. The man was rather elderly and was in a coma as a result of the beestings. Two questions come to mind: Do AFB's act so much like EHB's most of time that an experienced, amateur beekeeper wouldn't notice that the bees were behaving differently? What are the chances that the hive was *not* africanized? Could EHB's behave so aggressively towards a lawnmower? BTW, the press was making a big deal out of this, interviewing neighbors, etc. Lots of folks exclaiming,"I can't let my kid's play outside anymore! I'm too scared. They shouldn't let people keep bees around kids..." yadda, yadda, yadda. Not great press for the urban beekeeper for sure. :-( Anyone else hear about this? I would like to know how it ended. Kelly From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:26:09 EDT 1999 Article: 21056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:27:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7rrd1k$kr5$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937506676 21349 62.136.7.71 (16 Sep 1999 18:31:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:31:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21056 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and >scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the >comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the >original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this >isnt right, is it? ---------- Correct! > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 05:26:10 EDT 1999 Article: 21057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:31:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7rrd1l$kr5$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990916140542.01704.00001211@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937506677 21349 62.136.7.71 (16 Sep 1999 18:31:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:31:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21057 >Umm. I am a baking and candy-making hobbyist. AFAIK, powdered sugar and >confectioner's sugar are the same thing. And powdered sugar *does* contain >corn starch. That's what makes it fluffy. >OTOH, fondant can be made from a sugar syrup cooked to "soft ball" and beaten. >Much the same way taffy is made. If you want recipes, I can post them. Don't >know if they are appropriate for bees or not. > > >Kelly ------------------------------ No - the fondant definitely does not contain starch! The powdered sugar is very fine white granulated sugar - it is not what we know as icing sugar (which does contain starch) and is a nightmare if you try to dissolve it to make syrup. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:11 EDT 1999 Article: 21058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com.MISMATCH!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:49:16 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7rqjo7$jp4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-76.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937480775 20260 209.130.165.76 (16 Sep 1999 11:19:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 11:19:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21058 I think its pretty hard to tell just by _looking_ at a few individual bees... I have watched when colonies are tested for Africanization for interstate travel, 20 - 25 bees are collected from numerous hives, put into baggies and frozen to kill the bees. Then from each baggie, those 20-25 bees (forget the exact number) are disected to remove the thorax/legs from the abdomen. All the abdomens are collected and weighed. There is a certain weight that must be reached for each baggie group...Africanized bees weigh less than European. (I got to help disect and weigh the bees once...interesting) Want to know more...maybe contact your State Apiary Inspector or in AZ , The Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson. --Busybee George Prehmus wrote in message <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net>... >Is it possible to visually identify africanized bees? I have lots of >bees in my neighborhood, Central Arizona, and there may be some of >those here. I would like to be able to know. > Thanks much > >Geo > From hrogers@arkansas.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:11 EDT 1999 Article: 21059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:24:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7rrjlk$te8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 20:24:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21059 "Michel Crichton" wrote: > I don't really want to waste any of it. Will they eventually cap these frames before winter even though some of the combs are not full? > Mich *************************************************** Howdy Mich -- I like to keep a supply of supers you describe as having some honey and pollen -- for the next spring. They are ideal for use in making splits and installing swarms. It gives the new family a start with some drawn comb, honey and pollen. One reason this works so well for me is that I use medium supers exclusively. All boxes and frames are interchangeable anywhere. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:12 EDT 1999 Article: 21060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:31:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7rrk3s$trl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 20:31:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21060 (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this > isnt right, is it? ************************************************** Howdy, Shelley -- Not to worry. Get a piece of mosquito netting, or wallpaper canvas, or nylon screen and stretch it over the open top of a container. Anchor it with string and pour your mixture on it to drain through. When it is warm (90 degrees or so) it goes quicker. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:13 EDT 1999 Article: 21061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Floyd is gone Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:09:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Sep 1999 20:11:06 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 16 13:15:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust230.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E14E79.7A7D@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21061 We got hit hard here in Rocky Mount, NC. The bees are out working well. As far as I can tell, I didn't loose any. Have two out yards but we are under a curfew and most roads are impassable for trees down and very high water. Flooding real bad about 200 yards down the very small hill. Lots of folks were not as fortunant as us. Will check my out yards as soon as possible. How bout you, Kevin? Don in Nc From hrogers@arkansas.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:13 EDT 1999 Article: 21062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming and queen excluder Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:32:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7rrnln$ic$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 21:32:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.97 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21062 cizumi@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp wrote: > Is it possible to stop swarming by putting a queen excluder at the hive entrance and making it impossible for queens to escape? ********************************************************* Howdy, Cizumi -- I'm afraid you would be disappointed. This would not remove the root cause of the swarming impulse. The old queen and her bees would be so engrossed with trying to escape that they might ignore the swarm cells which will emerge in a day or so. Then one of the virgin queens would go through the excluder and the swarm follow her. In other words, the queen excluder might mess things up good ! If you have clipped and marked the old queen, you can find her and the swarm on the ground near the hive and capture a natural swarm. Better yet would be to make a "divide" or "split" when you determine that they are about to swarm. That should solve it without losing the swarm. It would be better to work ahead of the swarming season to prevent crowding in the brood nest and in the supers so as to prevent swarming. This does not always work, but at least it is getting at the cause. As long as you have the colony intact, you can divide it at your own time. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:14 EDT 1999 Article: 21063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:22:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <37E197E5.25C1@midwest.net> References: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21063 Shelley Corbin wrote: > > okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and > scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the > comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the > original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this > isnt right, is it? Been there, done that. I used a spatula to cleanly slice the comb from the foundation (mine is plastic), but there's still the matter of what to do with the gob of wax/honey. A quick way to seperate them is to use one of those nylon mesh bags designed to strain the lumps out of latex paint (available at hardware stores). Another option is a juice strainer that home jelly makers use to seperate the juice from the berry/fruit pulp - a three legged stand is included with the nylon mesh bags. Once you load it up with the honey mess you can squeeze the bag in a downward direction (experience at milking cows pays off here). The strained honey will contain air bubbles and tiny wax particles that will seperate out after a few days in a warm place - this can be skimmed off. If you're a real stickler for clear honey, you can do a second/third filtering with the leg/foot portion of clean nylon hose ( first, wash with dish detergent and rinse well to remove any laundry detergents). If you plan to continue extracting your honey without an centrifugal extractor, you might be interested in ideas on building a honey press. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/press.htm Personally, I'd recommend buying an extractor. Since I have removed all the honey I expect to get this year, I'm setting my extractor up for a 25 gal batch of homebrew. Who knows what other uses there might be for an extractor in the off season. AL From orangerose@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:15 EDT 1999 Article: 21064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 1999 01:53:55 GMT References: <19990916151320.02306.00001111@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916215355.15264.00000138@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21064 >He died How very sad. Any news on whether the bees were africanized or not? Kelly From orangerose@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:16 EDT 1999 Article: 21065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 1999 01:58:54 GMT References: <7rrd1l$kr5$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916215854.15264.00000143@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21065 >The powdered sugar is >very fine white granulated sugar - it is not what we know as icing sugar >(which does contain starch) and is a nightmare if you try to dissolve it to >make syrup. Must be a language difference. (just noticed your location) In American cookbooks, confectioner's and powdered sugars are the same--they contain cornstarch. Here, very fine granulated sugar with no additives is called superfine. Kelly From dkelley@soils.umn.edu Sat Sep 18 05:26:16 EDT 1999 Article: 21066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: menthol or grease patties? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:27:59 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x160-46.soils.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21066 Question: which is more effective against tracheal mites, menthol or grease patties? What is optimal temperature range for each treatment? When should they be put in and removed? Does anyone use both? Any help appreciated on this one. I am a first year beekeeper and hear that tracheal mites can be a real scourge to hives in overwintering areas such as the upper Midwest here. You betcha. -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 From mister-t@zzclinic.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:17 EDT 1999 Article: 21067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37E281FE.D8F98B47@zzclinic.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:01:34 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: David Kelley Subject: Re: menthol or grease patties? References: <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-4.clinic.net X-Trace: 17 Sep 1999 13:58:24 EST, d-p1-4.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p1-4.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21067 David Kelley wrote: > > Question: which is more effective against tracheal mites, menthol or > grease patties? What is optimal temperature range for each treatment? > When should they be put in and removed? Does anyone use both? David, I go by ease of use and have found that grease patties are easy and they work. Menthol is a bit trickier to use, so I have never bothered. Grease patties are not temperature dependent and can be and should be applied any time during the year, but especially in the spring and fall. You do not need to remove grease patties. They are best put on in the fall and left in the hive to overwinter. I put one pattie on the top of each hive body, so they have one low and one high, so I have both fall and spring covered. They should be only regular white sugar and crisco. Do not use confectioneers sugar since it has starch. Two parts sugar to one part crisco. Patties are regular McDonalds size, not a quarterpounder :) Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From swehe@earthlink.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:17 EDT 1999 Article: 21068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:55:20 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 17 Sep 1999 17:54:14 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Sep 17 11:15:31 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip236.san-antonio5.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21068 Hi Shelley, I'm a beginning beekeeper myself, but I'm learning as I go. First of all, you need to uncap the combs, I use a knife that cuts the cappings but doesn't crush the comb. Then you use an extractor and spin the frames so that the honey is flung to the side of the container and then is drained out of the bottom. You can often purchase used extractors, although we were fortunate enough to have one given to us. We use a filter to remove any remaining comb or debris. I take the cappings and put them in a strainer so that the honey drips out the bottom, btw, crushing them helps. After all the honey that can be removed that way has dripped out, I heat the cappings on a low flame and remove the wax by skimming it off the top. I set aside the honey from the cappings to be used in cooking and use the filtered honey for eating. I'm certainly not an expert but so far have been successful in removing enough honey >from our hives to supply us and friends for the next year. Considering, that we needed the bees for pollination, the honey is a very pleasant byproduct. susan Shelley Corbin wrote: > > okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and > scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the > comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the > original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this > isnt right, is it? From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:18 EDT 1999 Article: 21069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bio controls Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:31:09 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37E250AD.82A@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a3.bf Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 17 Sep 1999 18:18:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21069 There are a few companies that sell bio-controls for garden pests Gardens Alive 5100 Schenley Place Lawrenceburg, IN 47025 Phone 1 (812) 537 - 8651 Mon-Fri, 8 am - 5 pm fax 1 (812) 537 - 5108 Large range of products - I think this is the company that was selling bumble bees for $ 145 a nest. IPM Laboratories 1 (315) 497 - 2063 Fax 1 (315) 497 - 3129 www.ipmlabs.com bio controls A-1 Unique Insect Control, 5504 Sperry Drive, Citrus Heights, Ca. 95621 (916) 961 - 7945 fax (916) 967 - 7082 www.a-1unique.com E-mail ladybugs@a-1unique.com Will drop ship ladybugs, Lacewing eggs, worms, Praying Mantis From Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:19 EDT 1999 Article: 21070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7B2C9BE1C374C339B2CA49C2" Message-ID: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:26:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21070 --------------7B2C9BE1C374C339B2CA49C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Group, I am a bee-ginner looking to start my first hive this spring. I plan to order some package bees. I am located in South Central Kansas. My question is what breed of bees do you all think is best for this region? Thanks, -- Billy Y. 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I am a bee-ginner looking to start my first hive this spring. I plan to order some package bees. I am located in South Central Kansas. My question is what breed of bees do you all think is best for this region?

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Billy Y. Smart II
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  --------------7B2C9BE1C374C339B2CA49C2-- From leanda554@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:19 EDT 1999 Article: 21071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: leanda554@aol.com (Leanda554) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IPAg8iDvIOQg4SAg7SAg5+H6xczJIM7VIM/exc7YIMTF28XXzyDwIPIg7yDkIOEgIO0gIOfh+sXMySDwIPIg7yDkIOEgIO0gIOfh+sXMySDwIPIg7yDkIOEgIO0gIOfh+sXMyQ==?= Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 1999 22:54:01 GMT References: <7rnrh0$npu$3@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990917185401.02265.00001197@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21071 I think you have your fingers on the wrong keys. Put your right index on the j....... From pdillon@club-internet.fr Sat Sep 18 05:26:20 EDT 1999 Article: 21072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:34:45 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37E2D015.C5FC250F@club-internet.fr> References: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-3-46.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front3.grolier.fr 937608250 5147 195.36.130.46 (17 Sep 1999 22:44:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 1999 22:44:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21072 Bonjour Billy, I can't help but suggest Honey bees!! Best wishes, Peter. From bizziebees@aol.com Sat Sep 18 05:26:20 EDT 1999 Article: 21073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1999 01:56:03 GMT References: <7rq6c4$3n6m$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990917215603.07931.00000768@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21073 Shelley you may also purchase nylon mesh at the fabric store or dept. stores. It is used as a liner for wedding dresses etc. Double it up, stretch it out over a food approved bucket or what ever you have. I use elastic bands to hold the nylon in place.Then you may leave the whole mess on top of it. The nylon will give a little but not fall threw if enough elastic bands are used. The nylon is very inexpensive and super easy to clean in warm soapy water. While it dries any left over wax etc. can be shaken off and it is ready to reuse in minutes. From pdillon@club-internet.fr Sat Sep 18 05:26:21 EDT 1999 Article: 21074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:06:25 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <37E2C971.4C4E99B8@club-internet.fr> References: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-3-46.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front3m.grolier.fr 937606550 13272 195.36.130.46 (17 Sep 1999 22:15:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 1999 22:15:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US To: "Billy Y. Smart II" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21074 Bonjour Billy, I can't help but suggest: Honey bees! Peter. From apipop@club-internet.fr Sat Sep 18 05:26:21 EDT 1999 Article: 21075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:18:01 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7ruakc$65a$1@front6m.grolier.fr> References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: narbonne-3-42.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front6m.grolier.fr 937602508 6314 195.36.179.42 (17 Sep 1999 21:08:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 1999 21:08:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21075 Bonjour, Your description sounds like a nightmare, here in France we never get such powerfull hurricane. Only seen at the TV. Hope reading you soon. Like Busybee we can only pry for you and bees. In french for "soaked to the skin" we use to say "soaked to the bones"....sounds better suited to your case ! ;-)) -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Hk1BeeMan a écrit dans le message : 19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com... > Well its that time again > 3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing > equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it > soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, > honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, > trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it > really gets bad. > > Damn i love beekeeping > > Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days > Big Johnson signing off. > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From chowell@netnitco.net Sat Sep 18 05:26:22 EDT 1999 Article: 21076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: other races of honey bees Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:38:42 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <37E2ED22.2646722B@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-hyper-3-138.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 937619291 30246 216.176.150.138 (18 Sep 1999 01:48:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 01:48:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21076 Who are the suppliers in the U.S. who supply other races of bees ( mated queens) besides Italian for spring splits. I would like to try another race next spring. From amschelp@pe.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:30 EDT 1999 Article: 21006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oops! Wrong Newsgroup Sorry! Re: Outlook on Peer to Peer Message-ID: References: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 937369287 216.100.16.35 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:21:27 EDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:26:49 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21006 First mistake I made all day! (sheepish grin). In article , amschelp@pe.net says... > We are evaluating Microsoft Outlook on our ten terminal peer to > peer network. One of the secretaries typed in all the data on From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Bee less question Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 04:33:55 GMT References: <7rmnjg$bof$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915003355.02179.00000432@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21007 He could also set up Mason bee nests. VERY low maintenance and great pollination. Laura From gorvi@a-teleport.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!news.alkar.net!not-for-mail From: "gorvi" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.chemical,odessa.commerce.metals,odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.chemical,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.raw-materials,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ÎÕ ÏÞÅÎØ ÄÅÛÅ×Ï ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:11:01 +0400 Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7rnrh0$npu$3@pandora.alkar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.248.164.64 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.chemical:174425 relcom.commerce.metals:231038 relcom.commerce.raw-materials:45784 relcom.commerce.transport:138960 sci.agriculture:37205 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21008 sci.agriculture.fruit:3048 0562 32-35-75, 93-59-70 ÷ÉÔÁÌÉÊ îÉËÏÌÁÅ×ÉÞ From honeybs@radix.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.chemical,odessa.commerce.metals,odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.chemical,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.raw-materials,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ÎÕ ÏÞÅÎØ ÄÅÛÅ×Ï ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ ð ò ï ä á í çáúÅÌÉ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:09:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ro0m2$aba$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7rnrh0$npu$3@pandora.alkar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.chemical:174456 relcom.commerce.metals:231078 relcom.commerce.raw-materials:45809 relcom.commerce.transport:138971 sci.agriculture:37211 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21009 sci.agriculture.fruit:3049 "gorvi" wrote: >0562 32-35-75, 93-59-70 ÷ÉÔÁÌÉÊ îÉËÏÌÁÅ×ÉÞ I found my decoder ring but it doesn't have all those thingys on top of the letters. I don't know where this guy lives but they must have some ugly women judging by their measurements! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:33 EDT 1999 Article: 21010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:49:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915074938.01537.00000565@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21010 >Please tell me how you can be sure upon which flowers your bees >forage? use a microscope to idenify the pollen type Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:34 EDT 1999 Article: 21011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hurricane woes Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:56:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21011 Well its that time again 3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it really gets bad. Damn i love beekeeping Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days Big Johnson signing off. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From moonvinedancer@my-deja.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 21012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: moonvinedancer@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:52:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rntq5$67a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.217.226 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 10:52:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.174.217.226 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmoonvinedancer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21012 > If you are truly interested, stop by Sacramento Beekeeping Supplies at 21st > and X. You can also get info on the Sacramento Area Beekeepers Assoc. there. > > Where are you located? I am in North Highlands. Thanks for the information, I think I will stop by the shop and pick up some books and see if maybe this isn't the hobbie for me, or at lest someone who needs a place for a hive. Moonvine Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lynnmor@netvision.net.il Sun Sep 19 07:14:36 EDT 1999 Article: 21013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail From: Dan Colson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Measure salt in foods Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:47:13 -0700 Organization: R & D Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37DF8741.5CA3@netvision.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: ras5-p3.jlm.netvision.net.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 937398275 27437 62.0.163.3 (15 Sep 1999 12:24:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 12:24:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21013 Measure salt in foods & agriculture Compact portable meter measures salt directly in various foods such as meats, fish, cheeses, honey, pizza, soups, candy, cereals, and various beverages. System can also be used to measure salt in soil, fertilizer, and water. For more information click the following web page. http://www.laboratorymart.com/cgi-bin/nph-tame/lab/food-analysis/sr-6250l.tam From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:36 EDT 1999 Article: 21014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (BizzieBees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from New Beekeeper (Hobbyist) Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 13:36:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915093649.02299.00000522@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21014 You may want to check the pollen stores. All of my hive are "plugged out". This can create a very congested brood nest. From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (BizzieBees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ADVICE! Bees at my house: Time to start a colony? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:05:02 GMT References: <7r6mlm$ec18@news.vtx.ch> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915100502.02299.00000530@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21015 Hi. I have achived sucess doing the method a couple of the others suggested. But, I am assuming that you have no nuc. No equipment etc. Try calling your local co-op. extention service. They will give you the name of a beekeeper in your area. You may discuss the cone method to him/her. If the Apiarist accepts the challenge, maybe he/she will give you a nuc next spring. All you gotta do is get a queen then! And, you'll have a mentor. From ernie@nospamwhro.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:38 EDT 1999 Article: 21016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Another Bee less question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37DE7F82.343CE105@mitre.org> Message-ID: <01beff5d$de103c80$38a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.56 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 937388325 198.76.162.56 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:38:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:38:45 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21016 Where in Va. Beach? To reply to me by e-mail remove the nospam from the address. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Lee Mintz wrote in article <37DE7F82.343CE105@mitre.org>... BTW, he lives in Virginia Beach, VA - From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:39 EDT 1999 Article: 21017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:22:09 GMT References: <7qtqvl$rj$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915112209.01884.00000093@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21017 Hi Peter...not sure if this is your name or not? I am very interested in Thymol. Can you explain the chemical to me? We over here in the USA are currently using Fluvalinate for varroa control. Love to hear/read your imput. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:40 EDT 1999 Article: 21018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Date: 15 Sep 1999 03:30:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937366251 000 192.168.254.73 (15 Sep 1999 03:30:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 03:30:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21018 I was out in the hive tending to my bees and guess what little devils began to harrass me and the hive, yellow jackets. my bees were giving me little to no trouble, but to see these little punks pestering my bees and drinking up their honey made me furious. i am sure i was a laugh riot cussing out loud. one yellow jacket was killing a bee on ground near the hive and i got so angry i stomped it. stupid i guess, will killing yj's near the hive set off the attack mode in bees like killing a bee? when i kill a bee by mistake, i blow smoke on it to cover the smell, is this the same thing? what do i do about these little monsters? i wish i could find the nest... From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:40 EDT 1999 Article: 21019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:00:39 GMT References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990915110039.01884.00000087@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21019 Hi Shelley Y.Js are carnivorous. Our friends the honeybees a vegatarian. It is a cruel world. It may be a nice thought to think that those so called "punks" life cycles are nearing an end. They are not social insects and soon will perish over the colder months ahead. I think as far as killing goes stomp away! Just not to loudly. The oder is only a problem when you yourself are stung by the hives occupants. They then smell their alarm pheromone on you and you become the perpitraitor open for a stinging fest! From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:41 EDT 1999 Article: 21020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee less in Sacramento Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:10:09 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7roka3$15r$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7rl7af$9h4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.85 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 937415811 1211 12.72.51.85 (15 Sep 1999 17:16:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 17:16:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21020 Time of year and location. I live about 1/4 miles as the crow flies from a protected green belt along the American River. Not much in the way of other forage between this area and my house. Yellow star thistle is so abundant in No. Cal that it can account for as much as 70% of the harvest. It is pretty apparent when they are working the star thistle. It comes in fast and furious on the hot summer days and is very distinctive in color. Take a lot of vitamin C and then pee into a jar and you just about have the color. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.1248a85f34d03da49897dd@news.pe.net... > Please tell me how you can be sure upon which flowers your bees > forage? > > > In article <7rltd4$jhg$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, > gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net says... > > The honey bees largely ignore my yard (sage, lavender, > > citrus, etc) and head for the star thistle around the American River > > parkway > > From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:42 EDT 1999 Article: 21021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:05:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7roqob$vg8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-42.flonase.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937422411 32264 62.136.67.170 (15 Sep 1999 19:06:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 19:06:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21021 It sounds like you have a 'large local reaction', which although can be scary, it is not at all life- threatening. Your reaction may or may not progress to a systemic reaction, which again is even more scary, but still not life-threatening. There is no evidence to suggest that either lead to Anaphylactic Shock which is the only life-threatening reaction. I suffer with a systemic reaction only in the early season, before my immunity is built up again. Strangely, I only get a reaction late at night, when I am out moving bees and only if I am stung on my neck! I know that if I sit quietly, the reaction will pass in about 20 minutes, but someone usually calls for an ambulance as I must look quite ill. My doctor has given me an Epipen to use, but I have never had the need to do so. It is my understanding that bees have a limited amount of venom. Maybe a young bee gives you more clout than an older one. Graham wrote in message news:7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > This weekend I received yet another sting, this time though to my hand, > usually they don't make it through my gloves. My usual reaction is > slight swelling and it itches for a day. This time though, within 2 > hours, my hand was swollen to the point that I could barely wiggle my > fingers. The swelling went up to my elbow, today (48 hours) it is > starting to recede, I can almost touch my thumb to my pinky. > > Hitting the books I read that 1) bees can only produce venom for a short > period of time 2) bees are more aggresive this time of year. Which > leads me to my questions. Does the season affect quantity/quality of > the venom? Late in the season do bees become more protective and thus > turn up the venom production/toxicity? I can't imagine that it is > quantity, cause there is a finite space to fill. > > I am hoping this is common because the alternative is that instead of > decreasing my sensitivity I am becoming allergic. Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Coop > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:43 EDT 1999 Article: 21022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trapping Pollen Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:16:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7rouqb$vol$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7r75n2$gov$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 20:16:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21022 Kerr -- After I sent the message a short time ago, I found the ad. CC Pollen Co. 3627 E. Indian River School Rd. Phoenix, AZ 85018 1-800-875-0096 Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:44 EDT 1999 Article: 21023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Trapping Pollen Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:47:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7rot3s$uci$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7r75n2$gov$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 15 19:47:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.99 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21023 kerrdog@my-deja.com wrote: I was given the traps, but now I am trying to find out the > economic possibilities before I set up a couple hundred hives for > trapping. Please help. *********************************************************** Howdy Kerr -- About a dozen years ago I trapped from about 30 hives and sold it with fair success. It has to be collected often and dried quickly to prevent mold. I say an add in one of the journals recently -- for selling pollen. I wrote to them and was told that they only bought large amounts. I'm not big enough to qualify. I can not find that ad now. Maybe someone will remember where it is. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! *********************************************************** ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:44 EDT 1999 Article: 21024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 15 Sep 1999 20:40:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Sep 15 13:45:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust50.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E003E2.61D6@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21024 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > Well its that time again > 3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing > equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it > soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, > honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, > trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it > really gets bad. > > Damn i love beekeeping > > Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days > Big Johnson signing off. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC And bees as mad and mean as I have ever seen them. Some bees still hanging on the outside drowned. Beats me why they didn't go inside. Don in NC From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:45 EDT 1999 Article: 21025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:44:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7rp7cm$54c$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990913201436.01521.00001938@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937435350 5260 62.136.13.167 (15 Sep 1999 22:42:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:42:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21025 LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990913201436.01521.00001938@ng-cd1.aol.com>... >Ya. Gotta admit, I do take my vitamins in the A.M. A little preventative >maintenance goes a long way in many things. > >Laura ---------------------------------------------- But taking a few vitamins is a very different matter from the misuse of antibiotics. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:46 EDT 1999 Article: 21026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom quantity/quality Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:06:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7rp7cp$54c$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjamg$th4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rlk4c$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937435353 5260 62.136.13.167 (15 Sep 1999 22:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:42:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21026 td64008@link.com wrote in message <7rlk4c$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <7rjusd$bsl$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, I guess I will know >more this weekend, when I pull off the supers ---------------------------- Good luck! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:46 EDT 1999 Article: 21027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing supers Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7rp850$5oh$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7qtqvl$rj$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990915112209.01884.00000093@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937436128 5905 62.136.91.83 (15 Sep 1999 22:55:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:55:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21027 Bees wrote in message <19990915112209.01884.00000093@ng-fy1.aol.com>... >Hi Peter...not sure if this is your name or not? I am very interested in >Thymol. Can you explain the chemical to me? We over here in the USA are >currently using Fluvalinate for varroa control. Love to hear/read your imput. I will e-mail you an article that I produced for our association newsletter. If anyone else would like a copy please e-mail me. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:47 EDT 1999 Article: 21028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:49:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7rp84v$5oh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990915110039.01884.00000087@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937436127 5905 62.136.91.83 (15 Sep 1999 22:55:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:55:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21028 Bees wrote in message <19990915110039.01884.00000087@ng-fy1.aol.com>... They are not social insects... --------------------------------------------- I think that they are! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:48 EDT 1999 Article: 21029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:04:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937435351 5260 62.136.13.167 (15 Sep 1999 22:42:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:42:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21029 Bill Truesdell wrote in message <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net>... >Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers >sugar which contains starch, . --------------------------------------------------------------- Baker's fondant is a mixture of powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - nothing else - and is used for icing cakes. It is rather like candy to use, but does not require the use of heat to prepare it. Feeding is simplicity itself - it comes in 12.5 kg blocks (about 27lbs) wrapped in polythene and I simply slice the block in half and place it cut side down on the excluder. If you feed early in the autumn, the bees will take it down and put it in the combs - later in the winter they will eat up into the block as they need it. Fondant can be fed at any time of the year (unlike sugar syrup) and is invaluable for emergency spring feeding if we get some really bad weather. Commercial beekeepers have been using it in this country for the past 30 years. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:49 EDT 1999 Article: 21030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:44:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7rp84u$5oh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-83.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937436126 5905 62.136.91.83 (15 Sep 1999 22:55:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 22:55:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21030 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >thanks, although i only have one hive, didnt have to worry about that >kind of robbing this season. > ---------------------------------------------------------- bees belonging to other beekeepers in the area can rob your hive. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:49 EDT 1999 Article: 21031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Never a Dull Moment Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:17:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7rpcu4$a9c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 00:17:18 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21031 Howdy Folks -- On August 15 I had a nuc holding a Queen for possible use later. The nuc was a medium super with just enough bees to keep things going. I stopped by to check on it (at least a mile from any known hive) and found the super front and top covered with bees acting just like a swarm. They were fanning and making themselves at home. The queen was on the ground 4 feet in front of the hive with a small cluster of her bees around her. I captured her, took her to another yard and established another nuc to keep her in. When I went back an hour later to check on the swarm which had taken over the little hive, I found that ALL bees were gone, including the ones which belonged there. August is really too late for a true swarm here in east Texas. My conclusion is that a supercedure queen from some hollow tree went out for mating and the swarm followed. When they discovered that they were there all alone with no queen, they went back home. How does this theory sound? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From char-virg-rodenNOiySPAM@mindspring.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:50 EDT 1999 Article: 21032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: croden35 Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <000b8d9b.55501e42@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Lines: 45 Bytes: 1944 X-Originating-Host: 209.86.22.90 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Wren-Trace: eP3Y8PHor+WuvuH06vDq/f3poOr3/bjl2Pz78PD69K/79bqy8LLls6OsoLar66C4rr+oog== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:41:13 +1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.10 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937442197 10.0.2.10 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:36:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:36:37 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21032 I know what you mean about the devils called yellow jackets. I am very familiar with the...visually and physically. Now, this afternoon I was checking on my asian pear/apples and noticed some large bee-like creatures boreing into the fruit. Suddenly one of the varmints zapped me just above my right elbow. It is still stinging and there is a red spot approzimately 2.5 inches in diameter. This insect looks very much like a yellow jacket, similiar colloring, etc, but it is about 4 times as large. I have never seen them before...even on the same fruit. They may be a type of hornet, but they certainly do not have the hornet markings. could you, perhaps help me with an identification? I have been searching the net for information and, hopefully, some pictures with which to compare. I plan to try to capture one of the little buggars for additional identification. I will appreciate your reply. Charles In article <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > I was out in the hive tending to my bees and guess > what little devils > began to harrass me and the hive, yellow jackets. my > bees were giving me > little to no trouble, but to see these little punks > pestering my bees and > drinking up their honey made me furious. i am sure i > was a laugh riot > cussing out loud. one yellow jacket was killing a bee > on ground near the > hive and i got so angry i stomped it. stupid i guess, > will killing yj's > near the hive set off the attack mode in bees like > killing a bee? when i > kill a bee by mistake, i blow smoke on it to cover the > smell, is this the > same thing? what do i do about these little monsters? > i wish i could find > the nest... * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From char-virg-rodenNOqnSPAM@mindspring.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:51 EDT 1999 Article: 21033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: croden35 Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <09920fb9.56bd0030@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Lines: 16 Bytes: 778 X-Originating-Host: 209.86.22.90 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <7rn3tb$22a6$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Wren-Trace: eEdiSktSFV8UBFtOUEpQR0dTGlBNRwJfYkZBSkpAThVBTwAISghfCRkWGgwRURoCFAUSGA== Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:46:41 +1700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.10 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937442524 10.0.2.10 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:42:04 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21033 With regard to the yellow jackets. I forgot to answer your question in my last reply. I have alwaus found YJ's living in a hole in the ground, but I suppose they may live elsewhere. I find a good mixture of gasoline and motor oil poured into the hole and ignited works very well. You have to be quick, however, because they WILL come our to see who's calling. Nighttime is a good time to try this. I have also loaded a pressure sprayer with strong insecticide and simply placed the nozzel into the hole and let er fly. m Have to be careful of alternate routes to the nest, however. Good luck. Charles * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:51 EDT 1999 Article: 21034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:30:32 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7rpbvn$kee$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-102.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937440055 20942 209.130.165.102 (16 Sep 1999 00:00:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 00:00:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21034 Hang on East Coast - our thoughts and prayers are with you! --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com>... >Well its that time again >3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing >equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it >soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, >honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, >trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it >really gets bad. > >Damn i love beekeeping > >Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days >Big Johnson signing off. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From bill_daniels@bellsouth.net Sun Sep 19 07:14:52 EDT 1999 Article: 21035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news3.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37E043D7.15ABC73A@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: U.K. Baker's Fondant in U.S.?(was Re: Starving Bees...) References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:11:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.74 X-Trace: news3.mco 937444316 209.214.198.74 (Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:11:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:11:56 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21035 Does what our friend in the U.K refer to as baker's fondant exist in the U.S. in a similar form? Does anyone know what one would ask for here in the U.S.? Thanks, Bill Daniels Peter Edwards wrote: > Bill Truesdell wrote in message <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net>... > > >Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers > >sugar which contains starch, . > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Baker's fondant is a mixture of powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - > nothing else - and is used for icing cakes. It is rather like candy to use, > but does not require the use of heat to prepare it. > > Feeding is simplicity itself - it comes in 12.5 kg blocks (about 27lbs) > wrapped in polythene and I simply slice the block in half and place it cut > side down on the excluder. If you feed early in the autumn, the bees will > take it down and put it in the combs - later in the winter they will eat up > into the block as they need it. Fondant can be fed at any time of the year > (unlike sugar syrup) and is invaluable for emergency spring > feeding if we get some really bad weather. > > Commercial beekeepers have been using it in this country for the past 30 > years. From gordonz@erols.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: gordonz@erols.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's the honey? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:34:14 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37e045d6.43316322@news.erols.com> References: <19990908151523.27472.00006541@ng-cr1.aol.com> X-Trace: w6glB4EtmsfEYZ5DdFxN/7HxDswT8WCpC2N8nZxw7dI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 01:34:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21036 The bees will only build comb if there is a honey flow going on so the fact that they aren't building comb is normal if you have had the heat and drought that we have had here. My supers were also being ignored up until a couple of weeks ago. It rained and enough flowering plants recovered that the first super was about half drawn and full on Sunday when I checked. I am using Mann Lake's cellrite which is plastic foundation and the bees draw it fine when there's something to store. If you have two deep hive bodies and they are full the bees probably have what they need for the winter so you've covered what is critical. Are you using a queen excluder? If you are it does somewhat retard the bees from using the super but, if there is a strong honey flow they will draw it anyway. Gordonz@erols.com On 08 Sep 1999 19:15:23 GMT, g25778@aol.com (G25778) wrote: >This is my first year keeping bees. I got 2 hives this last spring. They did >great and had the bottom hive full of brood and honey before long so I added a >second hive body on each. About 2 months ago they had the 2nd hive full so I >added a honey super to each hive. I used the plastic comb cassettes. To date >they have done nothing in these, not even any comb. Like I said I added >cassette supers about 2 months ago. The bees seem fine, good population. The >last 2 months here have been hot (highs around 100) and not a whole lot of wild >flowers for them, but there are some and a couple of gardens around. Could the >heat and lack of a large number of flowers be why they have not done anything >in the honey supers? Should they have at least drawn out some comb over the >last two months? Could it be they simply don't like these plastic cassettes? >Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: killing yellow jackets Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:53:53 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37E02381.1402@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.01.f6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1999 02:38:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21037 Yes, burning gas does work but so does soapy water, and this is kinder to local green plants. Apply any type of nest killer in the dark. From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:54 EDT 1999 Article: 21038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oops! Wrong Newsgroup Sorry! Re: Outlook on Peer to Peer Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:58:45 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: <37E024A5.4B3D@mindspring.com> References: Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.01.f6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Sep 1999 02:43:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21038 WOW! You make only one mistake a day! How do you get it so low??? P-) From gfpmus@hotmail.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: gfpmus@hotmail.com (George Prehmus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: identifying Africanized bees Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:31:47 GMT Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-83-066.prc.primenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: @207.218.83.66 (gfpmus) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21039 Is it possible to visually identify africanized bees? I have lots of bees in my neighborhood, Central Arizona, and there may be some of those here. I would like to be able to know. Thanks much Geo From spcherub@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 04:49:16 GMT References: <09920fb9.56bd0030@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916004916.02196.00000771@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21040 >I have alwaus found YJ's living in a hole in the ground, >but I suppose they may live elsewhere. I find a good >mixture of gasoline and motor oil poured into the hole and >ignited works very well. Ditto...I've tried just about everything, including the soapy water bit, but it turns out that my grandpa did know the best way to get rid of a Yellowjacket nest. From cizumi@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp Sun Sep 19 07:14:56 EDT 1999 Article: 21041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.join.ad.jp!news-sv.sinet!news.tosho-u.ac.jp!not-for-mail From: Chieko Izumi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarming and queen excluder Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:33:40 +0900 Organization: Zosen Lines: 2 Message-ID: <37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: cizumi@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp NNTP-Posting-Host: zosen.u.tosho-u.ac.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21041 Is it possible to stop swarming by putting a queen excluder at the hive entrance and making it impossible for queens to escape? From boothmus@pavilion.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:14:57 EDT 1999 Article: 21042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:10:25 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Message-ID: <37e0dcf5.14767849@news.pavilion.net> References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-57.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 937484278 3730 194.242.139.57 (16 Sep 1999 12:17:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 12:17:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21042 On 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: >okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and >scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the >comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the >original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this >isnt right, is it? > Place honey/wax mix in a sieve over a bucket. Place bucket and sieve in a warming cabinet or closset - heat the inside of the cabinet/closset with a 60 W light bulb. Leave for a few days/week. The heat will not be strong enough to melt the wax (shouldn't be) but the honey will warm, go thin and drain through to collect in the bucket. You can then fine filter the collected honey. When granulation occurs with honey in the comb scrapping down to the midrib of the comb is the only thing you can do other than cutting the entire comb out and warming as above (I've just had to deal with 600lb like this!). You did right but really if the honey is not set in the comb you should have uncapped (just cut off the cappings) and spun the frames in an extractor to spin out the honey. Then filter. Gerald Legg (Dr), Brighton. England. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Sep 19 07:14:57 EDT 1999 Article: 21043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:10:54 GMT References: <7rqjo7$jp4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916091054.02180.00000735@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21043 I was under the impression that the only way to ID AHB was through mitochondrial DNA. Other methods are inconclusive unless you count being stung badly. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bobpursley@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:58 EDT 1999 Article: 21044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:18:12 GMT References: <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990916091812.01521.00000336@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21044 In article <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net>, gfpmus@hotmail.com (George Prehmus) writes: > >Is it possible to visually identify africanized bees? I have lots of >bees in my neighborhood, Central Arizona, and there may be some of >those here. I would like to be able to know. > Thanks much > From my experience, no. However, on a behaviour basis, in my area, it is easy. I suspect you do have them. I wish someone would rewrite the bee books, my 30 years of keeping bees have little revelance to what I have to do now: things such as requeening, establishing nucs, finding the queen, robbing control, and stinging response are unlike anything I ever encountered. Good luck. I saw a recent TV video clip on bees in the South arizona, the bees completely covered the camera lens and cut off all light. The camerman and reported didn't speak of AHB, but when I saw it, I knew they were there too. AHB dont like patches of black, on cameras or otherwise. Bob From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:14:59 EDT 1999 Article: 21045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:48:07 GMT References: <7rp84v$5oh$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916094807.02691.00000913@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21045 My sincere apologies. It is true they belong to the family Vespidae and are considered a social wasp. I was making reference to the Polybiine or Paper Wasps, of which some are not wholey social. Thanks for the correction. I do appreciate the oportunity to correct myself. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:00 EDT 1999 Article: 21046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:05:28 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq4ro$3fbs$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rp84u$5oh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937465528 000 192.168.254.73 (16 Sep 1999 07:05:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:05:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21046 nah...i live in in the city. i doubt its that much of a problem. >bees belonging to other beekeepers in the area can rob your hive. > From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:01 EDT 1999 Article: 21047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey looks like? Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:28:55 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937466935 000 192.168.253.46 (16 Sep 1999 07:28:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:28:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21047 okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this isnt right, is it? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:02 EDT 1999 Article: 21048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey looks like? Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:31:16 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq6c4$3n6m$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937467076 000 192.168.253.46 (16 Sep 1999 07:31:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:31:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21048 okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this isnt right, is it? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:02 EDT 1999 Article: 21049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey looks like? Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937466859 000 192.168.254.73 (16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21049 okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this isnt right, is it? From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:03 EDT 1999 Article: 21050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming and queen excluder Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:29:59 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <7rr2pp$er3$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.48 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 937496185 15203 12.72.49.48 (16 Sep 1999 15:36:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 15:36:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21050 No. They will just leave with the first virgin to emerge. Prior to mating, she will be able to pass through the QX with no problem. Work with the bees biology. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Chieko Izumi wrote in message news:37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp... > Is it possible to stop swarming by putting a queen excluder at the hive > entrance and making it impossible for queens to escape? From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:04 EDT 1999 Article: 21051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 14:30:41 GMT References: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916103041.02689.00000816@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21051 Do you have access to an extractor? When you set up your frames did you intend to use an extractor and purchase foundation condusive to this process? I know that some people still simply squeeze the honey out of the cut comb. That is of course if they want it out of the comb. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:15:05 EDT 1999 Article: 21052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:27:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7rrd1j$kr5$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rn395$2p2q$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rp84u$5oh$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7rq4ro$3fbs$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937506675 21349 62.136.7.71 (16 Sep 1999 18:31:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:31:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21052 Your choice! Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rq4ro$3fbs$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >nah...i live in in the city. i doubt its that much of a problem. > > >>bees belonging to other beekeepers in the area can rob your hive. >> > From orangerose@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:06 EDT 1999 Article: 21053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:05:42 GMT References: <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916140542.01704.00001211@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21053 >>Not sure what baker's fondant is but it may be confectioneers >>sugar which contains starch, . > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >Baker's fondant is a mixture of powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - Umm. I am a baking and candy-making hobbyist. AFAIK, powdered sugar and confectioner's sugar are the same thing. And powdered sugar *does* contain corn starch. That's what makes it fluffy. OTOH, fondant can be made from a sugar syrup cooked to "soft ball" and beaten. Much the same way taffy is made. If you want recipes, I can post them. Don't know if they are appropriate for bees or not. Kelly From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Sep 19 07:15:07 EDT 1999 Article: 21054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 19:13:20 GMT References: <19990916141612.01704.00001212@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916151320.02306.00001111@ng-fm1.aol.com> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21054 He died Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From orangerose@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:07 EDT 1999 Article: 21055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:16:12 GMT References: <19990916091812.01521.00000336@ngol03.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916141612.01704.00001212@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21055 I'm surprised that I haven't read about it here, but a few weeks ago there was a report on the local news about a hobby beekeeper in Southern California who was stung nearly to death by his hive/hives while mowing his lawn. I only watch the news sporadically so I didn't hear the end of it, but there was much noise about testing the hive (DNA) for AHB. The man was rather elderly and was in a coma as a result of the beestings. Two questions come to mind: Do AFB's act so much like EHB's most of time that an experienced, amateur beekeeper wouldn't notice that the bees were behaving differently? What are the chances that the hive was *not* africanized? Could EHB's behave so aggressively towards a lawnmower? BTW, the press was making a big deal out of this, interviewing neighbors, etc. Lots of folks exclaiming,"I can't let my kid's play outside anymore! I'm too scared. They shouldn't let people keep bees around kids..." yadda, yadda, yadda. Not great press for the urban beekeeper for sure. :-( Anyone else hear about this? I would like to know how it ended. Kelly From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:15:08 EDT 1999 Article: 21056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:27:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7rrd1k$kr5$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937506676 21349 62.136.7.71 (16 Sep 1999 18:31:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:31:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21056 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>... >okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and >scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the >comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the >original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this >isnt right, is it? ---------- Correct! > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:15:09 EDT 1999 Article: 21057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:31:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7rrd1l$kr5$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990916140542.01704.00001211@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-71.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 937506677 21349 62.136.7.71 (16 Sep 1999 18:31:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 18:31:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21057 >Umm. I am a baking and candy-making hobbyist. AFAIK, powdered sugar and >confectioner's sugar are the same thing. And powdered sugar *does* contain >corn starch. That's what makes it fluffy. >OTOH, fondant can be made from a sugar syrup cooked to "soft ball" and beaten. >Much the same way taffy is made. If you want recipes, I can post them. Don't >know if they are appropriate for bees or not. > > >Kelly ------------------------------ No - the fondant definitely does not contain starch! The powdered sugar is very fine white granulated sugar - it is not what we know as icing sugar (which does contain starch) and is a nightmare if you try to dissolve it to make syrup. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:09 EDT 1999 Article: 21058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com.MISMATCH!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:49:16 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7rqjo7$jp4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-76.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937480775 20260 209.130.165.76 (16 Sep 1999 11:19:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 1999 11:19:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21058 I think its pretty hard to tell just by _looking_ at a few individual bees... I have watched when colonies are tested for Africanization for interstate travel, 20 - 25 bees are collected from numerous hives, put into baggies and frozen to kill the bees. Then from each baggie, those 20-25 bees (forget the exact number) are disected to remove the thorax/legs from the abdomen. All the abdomens are collected and weighed. There is a certain weight that must be reached for each baggie group...Africanized bees weigh less than European. (I got to help disect and weigh the bees once...interesting) Want to know more...maybe contact your State Apiary Inspector or in AZ , The Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson. --Busybee George Prehmus wrote in message <37e063f9.5974582@news.globalcenter.net>... >Is it possible to visually identify africanized bees? I have lots of >bees in my neighborhood, Central Arizona, and there may be some of >those here. I would like to be able to know. > Thanks much > >Geo > From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:10 EDT 1999 Article: 21059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering question regarding leftover honey/pollen in frames Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:24:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7rrjlk$te8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 20:24:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21059 "Michel Crichton" wrote: > I don't really want to waste any of it. Will they eventually cap these frames before winter even though some of the combs are not full? > Mich *************************************************** Howdy Mich -- I like to keep a supply of supers you describe as having some honey and pollen -- for the next spring. They are ideal for use in making splits and installing swarms. It gives the new family a start with some drawn comb, honey and pollen. One reason this works so well for me is that I use medium supers exclusively. All boxes and frames are interchangeable anywhere. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:11 EDT 1999 Article: 21060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:31:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7rrk3s$trl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 20:31:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21060 (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this > isnt right, is it? ************************************************** Howdy, Shelley -- Not to worry. Get a piece of mosquito netting, or wallpaper canvas, or nylon screen and stretch it over the open top of a container. Anchor it with string and pour your mixture on it to drain through. When it is warm (90 degrees or so) it goes quicker. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:11 EDT 1999 Article: 21061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Floyd is gone Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:09:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Sep 1999 20:11:06 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Sep 16 13:15:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust230.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E14E79.7A7D@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21061 We got hit hard here in Rocky Mount, NC. The bees are out working well. As far as I can tell, I didn't loose any. Have two out yards but we are under a curfew and most roads are impassable for trees down and very high water. Flooding real bad about 200 yards down the very small hill. Lots of folks were not as fortunant as us. Will check my out yards as soon as possible. How bout you, Kevin? Don in Nc From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:12 EDT 1999 Article: 21062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming and queen excluder Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:32:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7rrnln$ic$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37E07324.652B@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 16 21:32:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.97 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21062 cizumi@ipc.tosho-u.ac.jp wrote: > Is it possible to stop swarming by putting a queen excluder at the hive entrance and making it impossible for queens to escape? ********************************************************* Howdy, Cizumi -- I'm afraid you would be disappointed. This would not remove the root cause of the swarming impulse. The old queen and her bees would be so engrossed with trying to escape that they might ignore the swarm cells which will emerge in a day or so. Then one of the virgin queens would go through the excluder and the swarm follow her. In other words, the queen excluder might mess things up good ! If you have clipped and marked the old queen, you can find her and the swarm on the ground near the hive and capture a natural swarm. Better yet would be to make a "divide" or "split" when you determine that they are about to swarm. That should solve it without losing the swarm. It would be better to work ahead of the swarming season to prevent crowding in the brood nest and in the supers so as to prevent swarming. This does not always work, but at least it is getting at the cause. As long as you have the colony intact, you can divide it at your own time. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:13 EDT 1999 Article: 21063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:22:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 38 Message-ID: <37E197E5.25C1@midwest.net> References: <7rq67n$4pmc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21063 Shelley Corbin wrote: > > okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and > scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the > comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the > original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this > isnt right, is it? Been there, done that. I used a spatula to cleanly slice the comb from the foundation (mine is plastic), but there's still the matter of what to do with the gob of wax/honey. A quick way to seperate them is to use one of those nylon mesh bags designed to strain the lumps out of latex paint (available at hardware stores). Another option is a juice strainer that home jelly makers use to seperate the juice from the berry/fruit pulp - a three legged stand is included with the nylon mesh bags. Once you load it up with the honey mess you can squeeze the bag in a downward direction (experience at milking cows pays off here). The strained honey will contain air bubbles and tiny wax particles that will seperate out after a few days in a warm place - this can be skimmed off. If you're a real stickler for clear honey, you can do a second/third filtering with the leg/foot portion of clean nylon hose ( first, wash with dish detergent and rinse well to remove any laundry detergents). If you plan to continue extracting your honey without an centrifugal extractor, you might be interested in ideas on building a honey press. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/press.htm Personally, I'd recommend buying an extractor. Since I have removed all the honey I expect to get this year, I'm setting my extractor up for a 25 gal batch of homebrew. Who knows what other uses there might be for an extractor in the off season. AL From orangerose@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:14 EDT 1999 Article: 21064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: identifying Africanized bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 1999 01:53:55 GMT References: <19990916151320.02306.00001111@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916215355.15264.00000138@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21064 >He died How very sad. Any news on whether the bees were africanized or not? Kelly From orangerose@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:15 EDT 1999 Article: 21065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 1999 01:58:54 GMT References: <7rrd1l$kr5$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990916215854.15264.00000143@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21065 >The powdered sugar is >very fine white granulated sugar - it is not what we know as icing sugar >(which does contain starch) and is a nightmare if you try to dissolve it to >make syrup. Must be a language difference. (just noticed your location) In American cookbooks, confectioner's and powdered sugars are the same--they contain cornstarch. Here, very fine granulated sugar with no additives is called superfine. Kelly From dkelley@soils.umn.edu Sun Sep 19 07:15:15 EDT 1999 Article: 21066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: menthol or grease patties? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:27:59 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x160-46.soils.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21066 Question: which is more effective against tracheal mites, menthol or grease patties? What is optimal temperature range for each treatment? When should they be put in and removed? Does anyone use both? Any help appreciated on this one. I am a first year beekeeper and hear that tracheal mites can be a real scourge to hives in overwintering areas such as the upper Midwest here. You betcha. -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 From mister-t@zzclinic.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:16 EDT 1999 Article: 21067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37E281FE.D8F98B47@zzclinic.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:01:34 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: David Kelley Subject: Re: menthol or grease patties? References: <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p1-4.clinic.net X-Trace: 17 Sep 1999 13:58:24 EST, d-p1-4.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p1-4.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21067 David Kelley wrote: > > Question: which is more effective against tracheal mites, menthol or > grease patties? What is optimal temperature range for each treatment? > When should they be put in and removed? Does anyone use both? David, I go by ease of use and have found that grease patties are easy and they work. Menthol is a bit trickier to use, so I have never bothered. Grease patties are not temperature dependent and can be and should be applied any time during the year, but especially in the spring and fall. You do not need to remove grease patties. They are best put on in the fall and left in the hive to overwinter. I put one pattie on the top of each hive body, so they have one low and one high, so I have both fall and spring covered. They should be only regular white sugar and crisco. Do not use confectioneers sugar since it has starch. Two parts sugar to one part crisco. Patties are regular McDonalds size, not a quarterpounder :) Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. From swehe@earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:17 EDT 1999 Article: 21068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:55:20 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 17 Sep 1999 17:54:14 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Sep 17 11:15:31 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 29 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip236.san-antonio5.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21068 Hi Shelley, I'm a beginning beekeeper myself, but I'm learning as I go. First of all, you need to uncap the combs, I use a knife that cuts the cappings but doesn't crush the comb. Then you use an extractor and spin the frames so that the honey is flung to the side of the container and then is drained out of the bottom. You can often purchase used extractors, although we were fortunate enough to have one given to us. We use a filter to remove any remaining comb or debris. I take the cappings and put them in a strainer so that the honey drips out the bottom, btw, crushing them helps. After all the honey that can be removed that way has dripped out, I heat the cappings on a low flame and remove the wax by skimming it off the top. I set aside the honey from the cappings to be used in cooking and use the filtered honey for eating. I'm certainly not an expert but so far have been successful in removing enough honey >from our hives to supply us and friends for the next year. Considering, that we needed the bees for pollination, the honey is a very pleasant byproduct. susan Shelley Corbin wrote: > > okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and > scrape off the capping, how do i get the honey? it doesnt come out of the > comb. the first two frames i just scaped the whole thing down to the > original foundation. what i got was half beeswax and half honey, this > isnt right, is it? From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:17 EDT 1999 Article: 21069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bio controls Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:31:09 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37E250AD.82A@mindspring.com> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a3.bf Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 17 Sep 1999 18:18:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21069 There are a few companies that sell bio-controls for garden pests Gardens Alive 5100 Schenley Place Lawrenceburg, IN 47025 Phone 1 (812) 537 - 8651 Mon-Fri, 8 am - 5 pm fax 1 (812) 537 - 5108 Large range of products - I think this is the company that was selling bumble bees for $ 145 a nest. IPM Laboratories 1 (315) 497 - 2063 Fax 1 (315) 497 - 3129 www.ipmlabs.com bio controls A-1 Unique Insect Control, 5504 Sperry Drive, Citrus Heights, Ca. 95621 (916) 961 - 7945 fax (916) 967 - 7082 www.a-1unique.com E-mail ladybugs@a-1unique.com Will drop ship ladybugs, Lacewing eggs, worms, Praying Mantis From Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:18 EDT 1999 Article: 21070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7B2C9BE1C374C339B2CA49C2" Message-ID: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:26:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21070 --------------7B2C9BE1C374C339B2CA49C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Group, I am a bee-ginner looking to start my first hive this spring. I plan to order some package bees. I am located in South Central Kansas. My question is what breed of bees do you all think is best for this region? Thanks, -- Billy Y. 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  --------------7B2C9BE1C374C339B2CA49C2-- From leanda554@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:19 EDT 1999 Article: 21071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: leanda554@aol.com (Leanda554) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IPAg8iDvIOQg4SAg7SAg5+H6xczJIM7VIM/exc7YIMTF28XXzyDwIPIg7yDkIOEgIO0gIOfh+sXMySDwIPIg7yDkIOEgIO0gIOfh+sXMySDwIPIg7yDkIOEgIO0gIOfh+sXMyQ==?= Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 1999 22:54:01 GMT References: <7rnrh0$npu$3@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990917185401.02265.00001197@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21071 I think you have your fingers on the wrong keys. Put your right index on the j....... From pdillon@club-internet.fr Sun Sep 19 07:15:19 EDT 1999 Article: 21072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:34:45 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37E2D015.C5FC250F@club-internet.fr> References: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-3-46.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front3.grolier.fr 937608250 5147 195.36.130.46 (17 Sep 1999 22:44:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 1999 22:44:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21072 Bonjour Billy, I can't help but suggest Honey bees!! Best wishes, Peter. From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:20 EDT 1999 Article: 21073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1999 01:56:03 GMT References: <7rq6c4$3n6m$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990917215603.07931.00000768@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21073 Shelley you may also purchase nylon mesh at the fabric store or dept. stores. It is used as a liner for wedding dresses etc. Double it up, stretch it out over a food approved bucket or what ever you have. I use elastic bands to hold the nylon in place.Then you may leave the whole mess on top of it. The nylon will give a little but not fall threw if enough elastic bands are used. The nylon is very inexpensive and super easy to clean in warm soapy water. While it dries any left over wax etc. can be shaken off and it is ready to reuse in minutes. From pdillon@club-internet.fr Sun Sep 19 07:15:21 EDT 1999 Article: 21074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:06:25 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <37E2C971.4C4E99B8@club-internet.fr> References: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: orleans-3-46.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front3m.grolier.fr 937606550 13272 195.36.130.46 (17 Sep 1999 22:15:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 1999 22:15:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US To: "Billy Y. Smart II" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21074 Bonjour Billy, I can't help but suggest: Honey bees! Peter. From apipop@club-internet.fr Sun Sep 19 07:15:22 EDT 1999 Article: 21075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:18:01 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7ruakc$65a$1@front6m.grolier.fr> References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: narbonne-3-42.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front6m.grolier.fr 937602508 6314 195.36.179.42 (17 Sep 1999 21:08:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 1999 21:08:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21075 Bonjour, Your description sounds like a nightmare, here in France we never get such powerfull hurricane. Only seen at the TV. Hope reading you soon. Like Busybee we can only pry for you and bees. In french for "soaked to the skin" we use to say "soaked to the bones"....sounds better suited to your case ! ;-)) -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Hk1BeeMan a écrit dans le message : 19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com... > Well its that time again > 3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing > equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it > soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn leaking, > honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, > trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it > really gets bad. > > Damn i love beekeeping > > Hope to talk with ya'll in a couple of days > Big Johnson signing off. > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From chowell@netnitco.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:23 EDT 1999 Article: 21076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: other races of honey bees Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:38:42 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <37E2ED22.2646722B@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-hyper-3-138.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 937619291 30246 216.176.150.138 (18 Sep 1999 01:48:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 01:48:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21076 Who are the suppliers in the U.S. who supply other races of bees ( mated queens) besides Italian for spring splits. I would like to try another race next spring. From adamf@metalab.unc.edu Sun Sep 19 07:15:23 EDT 1999 Article: 21077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Date: 18 Sep 1999 05:46:40 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7rvn20$lic@titan.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: adamf@metalab.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21077 Hello. http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Has bee-l logs archived up to this past week (9/99). As well as the articles from this newsgroup. Click on what looks interesting. The search engine works, although it's a little bit confusing to operate at first. There will be some updated ones available. If you'd like to share your "search engine wishlist" or "search engine beefs" now is the time. Post or email me with your feedback please. I'll be trailing a few search engines for the bee archive in the next few months and might even have a little time to update the FAQ. All your submissions will be included. If you want something included in the FAQ, and it's not a "shameless plug" for your own personal website, please feel free to send it to me. If you have anything noteworthy to archive for others to read or browse, contact me and we'll get it archived. There's lot's of space in the bee archive. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam J. Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:24 EDT 1999 Article: 21078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!philabs!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1999 13:50:07 GMT References: <19990916004916.02196.00000771@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918095007.02692.00001709@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21078 I was stung by a yellow jacket working with my one of my hives a week ago. I could see a few of the little buggers hovering between the frames as I moved them around. I was stung twice on the ankle, once by a bee and the other must have been a YJ, because I had a strong allergic reaction. Within an hour my skin turned red all over my body, and hives were breaking out everywhere. The ones that were rising from my armpits were massive and looked like hills or mountain ranges. I got a splitting headache and felt dizzy, and had chest pain. I drove to work. People started asking me "What's wrong?" When I told my boss (who also keeps bees) he assured me that my reaction was more in line with a YJ bite. He gave me antihistamine pills to counter the effect. I was OK by that afternoon. I've been stung 4 times by bees since then and had no reaction. That 2nd bite had to have come from a YJ. John From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:25 EDT 1999 Article: 21079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey gates leak Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1999 13:52:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918095245.02692.00001710@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21079 The honey gates on plastic 5 gal. buckets are leaky. The leak is from between the gate and the opening that the honey flows out of. The seal doesn't seem to be honey-tight. Does anybody have any recommendations where to purchase good quality honey gates that don't leak? John From bizziebees@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:26 EDT 1999 Article: 21080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1999 14:29:19 GMT References: <19990918095007.02692.00001709@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918102919.02245.00001329@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21080 Golly John! What an awful experience. I don't know how many hives you keep but, I think it is an extremely good idea to keep some "Benadryl" or the generic form labeled as Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride. Also, It could not hurt to keep an Epipen handy. We keep an average childrens dose and an adult dose around our home. This is for liability purposes and safety. I hope your doing much better. From cde049@airmail.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:26 EDT 1999 Article: 21081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey gates leak Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:42:46 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 19 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7s0659$vsk@library1.airnews.net> References: <19990918095245.02692.00001710@ng-cd1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Sep 18 09:04:25 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !e6F[1k-Vb^[:*h (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21081 Mine leaked also until I tightened up on the left hand (or pivot bolt) by taking out the wing nut and turning the gate 360 degrees. and putting the wing nut back in. Cliff JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990918095245.02692.00001710@ng-cd1.aol.com... > The honey gates on plastic 5 gal. buckets are leaky. The leak is from between > the gate and the opening that the honey flows out of. The seal doesn't seem to > be honey-tight. Does anybody have any recommendations where to purchase good > quality honey gates that don't leak? > John From cde049@airmail.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:27 EDT 1999 Article: 21082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:39:07 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7BD45526A2DF8630.C4C8D99DA0676B56.208A559626BFC64B@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7s05uf$1m3@library1.airnews.net> References: <7rq6c4$3n6m$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990917215603.07931.00000768@ng-ff1.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Sep 18 09:00:47 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X?Of1k-WD`k%]n (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21082 Bees wrote in message news:19990917215603.07931.00000768@ng-ff1.aol.com... > Shelley you may also purchase nylon mesh at the fabric store or dept. stores. > It is used as a liner for wedding dresses etc. Double it up, stretch it out > over a food approved bucket or what ever you have. I went to my local pizza place and got two buckets for free, (we order a LOT of pizza, the guy didn't know me but recognized my voice). I then took and cut one of the buckets in half, placed about a three foot square of the mesh over the second bucket and put the top half of the one I cut into the second. This is a trick I learned in my pottery shed, the cut bucket will hold the mesh in place and provide a large container for the comb and honey to drip for a while. Before I did this, though I placed a dowel across the diameter of the bucket I cut, and screwed one screw in the middle to act as a holder for the frame, then screwed the dowel to the bucket at the ends so I have a bar that runs across the bucket to hold the frames as I uncap, using a Ginsu knife. To make life even easier I put a honey gate at the bottom of the uncut bucket and then pass the honey through two layers of nylon stocking, hose clamped to a piece of 4 inch diameter, PVC, water pipe that has holes drilled into the sides to let the honey drain out of the bottom and sides. This is placed over a third (free)bucket with another honey gate, and held by the rest of the doweling. The bottling is done from the third bucket. Total of purchased items: one yard of fabric,two honey gates, one pair of knee high stockings everything else was around the house. I got ten gallons of honey from two hives, not sure how many pounds that works out to be but sure felt like magic. From bobpursley@aol.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:28 EDT 1999 Article: 21083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Sep 1999 16:05:31 GMT References: <19990918102919.02245.00001329@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990918120531.04840.00000054@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21083 In article <19990918102919.02245.00001329@ng-co1.aol.com>, bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) writes: > Also, It could not hurt >to keep an Epipen handy. We keep an average childrens dose and an adult dose >around our home. This is for liability purposes and safety. I hope your >doing >much better. > I carry them in by tool bucket, that way they are always with me when I work the bees. It is cheap insurance, You never know when someone will come and get stung, and I live in the AHB area, where stings are mighty and mean...and often. bob From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:29 EDT 1999 Article: 21084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: menthol or grease patties? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:54:11 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7rvp8v$7m6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 937650271 7878 209.130.165.79 (18 Sep 1999 10:24:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 10:24:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21084 Hello David-- A good person for you to get to know is Dr. Marla Spivak. She is over in Hodson Hall on the U of MN campus on Folwell Ave. Are you familiar with the work she is doing at the University? Very knowlegable lady. --Busybee David Kelley wrote in message <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu>... >Question: which is more effective against tracheal mites, menthol or >grease patties? What is optimal temperature range for each treatment? >When should they be put in and removed? Does anyone use both? Any help >appreciated on this one. I am a first year beekeeper and hear that >tracheal mites can be a real scourge to hives in overwintering areas >such as the upper Midwest here. You betcha. > >-- >David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) >Agricultural Research Service, USDA >Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate >439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota >1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 >phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:29 EDT 1999 Article: 21085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:41:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 18 Sep 1999 22:42:55 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Sep 18 15:45:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust181.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E41507.262E@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21085 I have one and really love it. When I lean forward it touches the back of my head and ears. Have been stung on both ears at the same time, however had i not had it on it would have been much worse. Don in NC From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:30 EDT 1999 Article: 21086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supercedure Date: 18 Sep 1999 21:48:08 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bf021e$9a2edc60$20d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-1-32.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 937691288 14856 199.45.211.32 (18 Sep 1999 21:48:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 21:48:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21086 I've both read and heard it said that queens appearing through supercedure are inferior to those you buy from a professional queen breeder. Is this true? Assuming you have a good queen, wouldn't you want one of her daughters instead of an unknown? -- remove spamfree to reply From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Implications of sherrif suit Date: 18 Sep 1999 21:46:39 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-1-32.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 937691199 14856 199.45.211.32 (18 Sep 1999 21:46:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 21:46:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21087 There was a discussion recently about the B.J. Sherriff suit, and somebody said that it was stingproof. That got me to thinking. If you were wearing a stingproof suit, should you still smoke the bees when you work them? Seems like the primary reason for smoking is to calm them down, but that shouldn't matter if they can't sting you. They would calm down eventually after you left. So I guess the bottom line issue is, which is more disruptive to the bees: being smoked, or getting more riled up? -- remove spamfree to reply From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 07:15:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:26:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7s13m0$4hs$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.ukrain.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 937693696 4668 62.136.90.137 (18 Sep 1999 22:28:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 22:28:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21088 Spike Psarris wrote in message news:01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike... > There was a discussion recently about the B.J. Sherriff suit, and somebody > said that it was stingproof. That got me to thinking. If you were wearing > a stingproof suit, should you still smoke the bees when you work them? > Seems like the primary reason for smoking is to calm them down, but that > shouldn't matter if they can't sting you. They would calm down eventually > after you left. Smoking doesn't calm bees and Sherriff suits won't prevent stinging. Bees can sting through the fabric. But the built in face protection is probably better than any other veil and gives a lot of confidence because bees can't get into your suit or veil. Mary From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeened Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:53:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 18 Sep 1999 22:55:37 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Sep 18 16:05:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust181.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E417FE.345@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21089 On Thursday afternoon after Floyd devistated our area here in Rocky Mount, NC I looked in on a hive of bees in two deeps. Have been looking for the queen for over a week. Found sealed brood and several pour supersedure cells. I removed them and took a frame with queen and bees >from a very small nuc(the queen had been introduced on Monday) and after putting a cage around the queen, put it in the top chamber. When I checked today to let her out, I found the screen had fallen off and figured the worst. Found the gal laying like it is spring time. BTW all the bees from the nuc entered the hive right after i put her in and were accepted. Never a dull moment in beekeeping. I still haven't been able to check my outyards. I also have blue honey this year if anyone is interested it getting some. I haven't seen it yet but understand it is not the same color or texture as that I had last year. I have 10 gallons available. Please reply to my e-mail and not the news group to keep the clutter down. Thanks Don in NC From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Sep 19 07:15:33 EDT 1999 Article: 21090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1999 00:37:23 GMT References: <37E41507.262E@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918203723.02269.00001450@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21090 No suit is stingproof The Sherriff suit is well made Once a bee is in your veil it kinda acts like a bee in the house-it tries to get out. Most everybody goes through the nuclear disaster look when they first start keeping bees. In time they get more casual. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tenmoku@webtv.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:33 EDT 1999 Article: 21091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8750-37E42BE7-78@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <01bf021e$9a2edc60$20d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmtndi2mQtBm6J9KRj+gWiU7ZXpwCFEkCJhqWeie6nkITKY0ZgVE6g1rj Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21091 You may want to search the Bee-L archives for in-depth discussion on this. See Adam Finkelsteins post from today if you don't know how to get there. From amschelp@pe.net Sun Sep 19 07:15:34 EDT 1999 Article: 21092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any Word On Big Johnson? Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.12 Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 937705268 216.100.16.35 (Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:41:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:41:08 EDT Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:46:34 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21092 Who has heard what's happening with Big Johnson. His last message was a few days ago, and the storm was bad and the worst was still yet to arrive, by 19 hours I think he said. It turns out the floods were worse than the winds. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Sep 19 07:15:35 EDT 1999 Article: 21093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1999 02:17:39 GMT References: <09920fb9.56bd0030@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918221739.01589.00002077@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21093 From: croden35 char-virg-rodenNOqnSPAM@mindspring.com >I have alwaus found YJ's living in a hole in the ground, >but I suppose they may live elsewhere. I find a good >mixture of gasoline and motor oil poured into the hole and >ignited works very well. There are people in high places that can make you pay a lot of money for that stupid solution. Soapy water works just as well, without polluting ground watern - at least no more than the average leach field. NEVER add petrochemicals to the soil. They pass right on to the water table without breaking down. If not you, someone will wind up drinking them. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Sep 19 07:15:35 EDT 1999 Article: 21094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another Bee less question Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1999 02:27:08 GMT References: <19990915003355.02179.00000432@ng-fc1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918222708.01589.00002083@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21094 From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) >He could also set up Mason bee nests. VERY low maintenance and great >pollination. Great for apples, pears and other spring fruits, but they are dormant when the melons, squash, loupes, and cukes come into bloom. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From dugan1@my-deja.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:36 EDT 1999 Article: 21095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Jeff Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting remedy Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:14:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7s1gu2$tln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <7q9v48$1jn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.74.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 19 02:14:31 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.24.74.3 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdugan1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21095 I used to do quite a bit of hiking alone in the southern Appalachians, and I heard that the only snakebite remedy approved by the Red Cross was a device called an "Extractor," which has a plunger like a syringe, but no needle, and rather than pumping liquid into you, it sucks venom right back out of the hole into which it was originally injected. I've never had to use it for snakebite, but I've used it for each of my bee stings except one on my ear. In each case, it eliminated the sting pain, though it still ended up itching some later. The instructions with the device say it needs to be administered within about 3 minutes or so of the sting or bite. I don't know if I'm right, but I like to believe that by removing as much of the "juice" as possible, I'm reducing my lifetime exposure to the material, and thus delaying or preventing the onset of a real allergy to it. Btw, the importance of knowing the symptoms of anaphylactic shock were emphasized in an earlier message. Could someone post a definitive description of the symptoms, or point me to one? In article <7q9v48$1jn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, deratany@capecod.net wrote: > In article <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net>, > lithar@midwest.net wrote: > > Peter Thoem wrote: > > > > > > I learned many years ago that Monosodium glutamate (MSG ) is an > > > effective sting first aid remedy for both bee and wasp/yellowjacket > > > stings. > > > > So are Tums. > > > > And green onions. > > > > AL > > Meat tenderizer is said to work very well as it contains an enzyme > that breaks up the toxins. > > Dave > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Sep 19 07:15:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hurricane woes Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1999 02:24:47 GMT References: <19990915075642.01537.00000567@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990918222447.01589.00002080@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21096 From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) >Well its that time again >3 cinder blocks on all hives, prayers that they'll still be standing >equipment stuffed into any crevice that'll hold it >soaked to the skin, fingers pinched, dogs barking, wind blowing, barn >leaking, >honey only half sold the rest still in the back of the truck, labels running, >trees leaning toward barn from last time and still about 19 hours till it >really gets bad. How'd you come out Big J? Floyd was no Hugo here; thank God! We are safe, as well as all our friends and neighbors. I've been visiting to check on some of our older friends, and their property. Some will need some repair help. We have several streets blocked by fallen trees, but only one tree that I have seen did severe damage to a house. Our power was restored at 6 am, but many of our neighbors are still without power. One of our friends lives on a cul-de-sac with 7 large trees down, and no power for the whole neighborhood, with power poles and transformers laying on the ground. We lost a 10 by 20 foot section off the roof of our warehouse. It came off in one piece and sailed about 80 feet, coming to rest between two other buildings, but did not damage them. So we now have a skylight where there was none before. Fortunately it was not over anything that couldn't stand a little wetting. We had empty honey drums and some supers stacked there. The bees are well west of here, on cucumber fields, where the storm was only some much needed rain, so I don't anticipate finding any damage there (unless they start mosquito spraying). Some houses have lost shingles, but I saw structural damage to only a couple homes. I was especially concerned about mobile homes, but the only damaged one I saw was the doublewide that I mention earlier, where a large tree fell on one end. Twas an eerie night, but we are most grateful to be spared the worst. We'll have only some cleanup, and the repairs, which are manageable, at least. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From dugan1@my-deja.com Sun Sep 19 07:15:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37E2C3CD.3E30@my-deja.com> From: Jeff Dugan X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use for fermenting honey? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:42:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.74.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 937708930 208.24.74.3 (Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:42:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:42:10 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21097 I've made honey taffy before, by boiling the honey down, cooling, and pulling and pulling. The candy's pretty good, and if you've got more people expecting gift honey than you have honey for, the candy (individually wrapped in wax paper) makes a more impressive gift than the corresponding amount of honey. The candy has to be stored in the refrigerator, though, or it will re-absorb moisture from the atmosphere and get gooey. Now my father-in-law has some jars of honey that are showing signs of fermentation. Could this honey be salvaged by making taffy from it? The process would remove the excess water, drive off the alcohol, and kill the bugs. Or am I missing something? From shuston@riverace.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:25 EDT 1999 Article: 21098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:13:45 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <37E64F29.C4F9B167@riverace.com> References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: w/uW5b5tIETleDnza7AHdd5p4Fv+RSUHTPxBLt/3uLg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 15:13:48 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21098 > So I guess the bottom line issue is, which is more disruptive to the bees: > being smoked, or getting more riled up? I have a whole season of beekeeping experience from which to speak, so keep that in mind... I think it's better to smoke them even if you can't get stung because: 1. They'll try to sting anyway, and a bunch of bees will die stinging your suit. 2. It's much more enjoyable if you aren't getting strafed by bees 3. When putting boxes back together, it's nice to be able to smoke the bees off the edges so you don't squish a bunch of them -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:26 EDT 1999 Article: 21099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: other races of honey bees Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:06:57 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <37E64D91.7F7719FD@riverace.com> References: <37E2ED22.2646722B@netnitco.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: FotPoCUkm6FvMjXBvBhW8J5X57c678OHYV4KIrxg7q8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 15:06:59 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21099 I've ordered a couple of New World Carniolan queens from Strachan Apiaries in California and been very pleased with the service. The first one went into a new split which subsequently got some sort of virus (that's the concensus) but has now recovered, hopefully enough to make it through winter. The second one went into another split a couple of months ago and is going like gangbusters. -Steve Chad Howell wrote: > > Who are the suppliers in the U.S. who supply other races of bees ( mated > queens) besides Italian for spring splits. I would like to try another > race next spring. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:27 EDT 1999 Article: 21100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:08:14 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7s5plu$2a5u$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7r1d6o$pan$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7r6hsu$ldo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r6nsj$5ko$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ra8pb$75b$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <7rjcao$6vb$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <37de3a93.22da8c4e@zzclinic.net> <7rp7cn$54c$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937847294 000 192.168.254.73 (20 Sep 1999 17:08:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:08:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21100 where can i get this foundant stuff in big blocks? how much does it cost and how long does it last? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:28 EDT 1999 Article: 21101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:15:34 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7s5q3m$28cq$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <37e0dcf5.14767849@news.pavilion.net> <7s3kvl$fbm$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937847734 000 192.168.254.73 (20 Sep 1999 17:15:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:15:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21101 thanks to everyone for their suggestions! just couldnt afford the extractor this year, will have a honey press or extractor next year! From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:29 EDT 1999 Article: 21102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: blue honey???? Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:21:13 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7s5qe9$1cjo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <37e417fe.345@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937848073 000 192.168.254.73 (20 Sep 1999 17:21:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:21:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21102 excuse' moi???? did you say blue honey??? is it really blue? naturally blue? >I also have blue honey this year if anyone is interested it getting >some. I haven't seen it yet but understand it is not the same color or >texture as that I had last year. I have 10 gallons available. Please >reply to my e-mail and not the news group to keep the clutter down. >Thanks >Don in NC From msfranklin@geocities.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:29 EDT 1999 Article: 21103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news1.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37E65EB4.A98703E3@bellsouth.com> From: Michael Franklin Reply-To: msfranklin@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost bees References: <7s46f8$1qr$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5B0530E24EAE5C082C65D352" Lines: 53 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:20:06 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.214.69 X-Trace: news1.mia 937844372 216.77.214.69 (Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:19:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:19:32 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21103 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5B0530E24EAE5C082C65D352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If there is anything the rest of us can do to help, just let us know. Being in South Florida, I'm sure my turn is coming soon. Good luck putting it all back together. Michael workerbee wrote: > Several of our beekeepers here in Eastern NC lost their bees. I have to call > and cancel our Tues meeting(Tarboro NC is under water) and will try to get a > count. Our president saw his float down the creek. Other folks cannot get > home to check theirs. Close by, several folks lost horses, and other > livestock. We really thought we had it bad, but as the water moved east it > is really causing havoc Folks at the lower end of our street have lost > everything. The street is lined with furniture and personal belongings. We > can be thankful the deaths are low and stuff can be replaced. Those of us > with bees and equipment will assist our fellow beekeepers in getting > restarted. One of my out yards(8 hives) survived. I expect my new ones in > Edgecomb County are gone. They had been put in place just last week. > I like this new program with spell check. > > Thanks for all your prayers and thoughts, > Don > BTW we had 15+ inches of rain and the latest predictions are for several > more tomorrow coming in from Fla. --------------5B0530E24EAE5C082C65D352 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="msfx.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael Franklin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="msfx.vcf" begin:vcard n:Franklin;Michael tel;home:(954) 567-1705 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;117 NE 21st Court;Wilton Manors;FL;33305; version:2.1 email;internet:msfranklin@geocities.com x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Michael Franklin end:vcard --------------5B0530E24EAE5C082C65D352-- From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:30 EDT 1999 Article: 21104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any Word On Big Johnson? Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:17:55 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 2 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7s5q83$2i8q$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990919192919.01658.00002497@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 937847875 000 192.168.254.73 (20 Sep 1999 17:17:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:17:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21104 i am happy to hear you made it thru, big j. From apipop@club-internet.fr Mon Sep 20 18:00:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:20:30 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7s61aa$muh$1@front2.grolier.fr> References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-3-24.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front2.grolier.fr 937855114 23505 195.36.138.24 (20 Sep 1999 19:18:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 19:18:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21105 Salut, Well I assume you never tried ! If you prefer crazy bees nagging you while you work inside the hive and following you to your car....instead having gentle and calm ladies just try and see.... I don't think you will proceed without smoke twice ! ;-)))))) apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Spike Psarris a écrit dans le message : 01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike... > There was a discussion recently about the B.J. Sherriff suit, and somebody > said that it was stingproof. That got me to thinking. If you were wearing > a stingproof suit, should you still smoke the bees when you work them? > Seems like the primary reason for smoking is to calm them down, but that > shouldn't matter if they can't sting you. They would calm down eventually > after you left. > > So I guess the bottom line issue is, which is more disruptive to the bees: > being smoked, or getting more riled up? > > > -- > remove spamfree to reply From beaufait@cebaf.gov Mon Sep 20 18:00:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!inn.jlab.org!not-for-mail From: beaufait Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hurricane tie down Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:54:55 -0400 Organization: Jefferson Lab Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37E69F1E.9B0D41D5@cebaf.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: fred.cebaf.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: inn.jlab.org 937860964 21263 129.57.32.118 (20 Sep 1999 20:56:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@jlab.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 20:56:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21106 Instead of stacking on sinder blocks I used cheap tie down straps. Most of my hives are on a stand that is deeply rooted in the ground and I just tied to it but for the loan hives up on blocks I used those cork screw dog tie out things. Screw one of those in the grond on either side of the hive with a tiedown over the top and walla. I didn't even loose a lid with 60+mph winds. Joe From beeman@ic24.net Mon Sep 20 18:00:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:11:24 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.217.114 X-Trace: news2-hme0 937725354 195.44.217.114 (Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:15:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:15:54 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21107 Susan Wehe wrote in message <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net>... After all the honey that can be removed that way >has dripped out, I heat the cappings on a low flame and remove the wax >by skimming it off the top. I think a word of caution to a beginner is needed here. Wax is very volatile, and should only be melted in a double boiler. Be VERY careful. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Tue Sep 21 05:18:01 EDT 1999 Article: 21108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rcu05$4dn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:38:55 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.44 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 937863804 38.31.18.44 (Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:43:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:43:24 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21108 Peter Edwards, who apparently must be a spokesperson for the Conservative Party's committee on media expressions to be used when speaking to the faithful, draws on this proven standard: >After 50 years of the National Health Service, people in the UK are less >healthy! Being an American that lived in Britain a long time, I can't let a biased comment about the NHS, go without a biased comment of my own: Every American should be so lucky as to have a health system like the NHS, even the Iron Lady couldn't kill it, even though she tried. It just goes to show that if a previous caring social democracy has the courage to change a bad way for a good one, then people will see that it's good and not easily give it up. Republicans (the political party) in America, who's ideology once vehemently fought against the New Deal during the 1930's, that included social security, (a national pension plan) will now maintain a conspicuous public image of themselves as working to preserve it. People are less healthy today, because of the financial class system that has evolved combined with commercial food processing, that is now the main source of nutrition for almost all Americans, and Britains. Americans also enjoy inadequate funding for traditional public health agencies, while pollution standards continue to erode. Take those three aspects of life and add a lot of mental stress created by powerful marketing techniques, and you have a lot of suffering. You probably think that's bullshit, but American corporations even got Britains to drink "light beer", now that's the power of advertising. (did you know that it's "light" because it's watered down?) Brits were healthier in WWII, blitz and all, because, they were short on sugar, ate less, and food processing was rare. In other words, local markets were not so bad. As Milton would say, (sic.) for now I see peace to corrupt no less than war to waste. Charles Kroeger From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Sep 21 05:18:02 EDT 1999 Article: 21110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need emergency help after hurricane Floyd Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:00:16 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7s67li$94k$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37e5da52.5417673@news.ipass.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.9 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 937861618 9364 12.72.43.9 (20 Sep 1999 21:06:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 21:06:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21110 Sounds like it is too late now but it would have helped had you been able to salvage some of the brood and combs containing honey. Don"t know your location other than somewhere in Floyd's path so it is kind of hard to say if they will make it but even under the best of conditions, without any developing brood going into the fall I doubt they have a chance. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Brian Hogan wrote in message news:37e5da52.5417673@news.ipass.net... > Greetings. > > My wife and I were thrust into beekeeping unexpectedly when we found > that a huge oak tree in our back yard that fell over during hurricane > Floyd contained a honey bee hive. The tree split open and the hive and > combs spilled out onto the ground. Many bees were lost and all of the > combs have been destroyed. To our surprise, the bees gathered in a > cluster on one of the branches of the downed tree. My wife and I want > to try to rescue the bees because we plan to have a garden and a > couple of acres of wild flowers next year and feel that having the > bees around would be beneficial. > > We quickly built a "hive" out of a cedar bucket (18" dia. and about > 16" tall) and some scrap plywood. I drilled three holes in the side of > the hive at the bottom, 2 that are 3/8" and 1 that's 3/4" for > entrances/exits. We managed to get just about every bee into the hive > and even cut the branch that they were roosting on and secured it in > the hive for them to cluster (what a feat that was!). > > I can only guess that the queen has survived. > > We placed sugar water outside the hive today, but it didn't look like > any of the bees ever went for it. Could it be that they are in some > state of shock from the hurricane or us moving them into the hive? > > We are no bee keeping experts. We want to try to help these bees > survive the winter. We are not interested in raising them for > harvesting honey. > > Under the circumstances that I've described, is there any chance that > these bees will make it? Is there anything that we can do more than > what we've done to help? What is the best method to feed the bees? > Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? > > Thanks for any help that you can provide. > > Brian From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Sep 21 05:18:02 EDT 1999 Article: 21111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:09:07 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7s67lj$94k$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> <01bf02ff$d54be4a0$87d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.9 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 937861619 9364 12.72.43.9 (20 Sep 1999 21:06:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 21:06:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21111 At some time you will realize that you have neglected to zip the veil on your 'sting-proof' suit. Been there, done that. As for using the smoke, you could certainly use less or go without. But why would you want to work the bees as they are bouncing off your veil. This is supposed to be enjoyable. Other factor are bare hands, neighbors, etc. I often work on my backyard hives with the kids playing about so I certainly would not go without the smoke. If smoke was not disruptive, it wouldn't work. The disruption is short lived. Smoke is a tool, not a weapon. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Spike Psarris wrote in message news:01bf02ff$d54be4a0$87d32dc7@spike... > Several people have responded to give pros & cons of the Sherriff suit. I > wasn't asking about the Sherrif suit specifically, I was just wondering: if > there was such a thing as a stingproof suit (maybe like the "Martha Stewart > suit of armor"? :-), should you continue to smoke the bees or not? How > disruptive is the smoke to them? > > From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Sep 21 05:18:03 EDT 1999 Article: 21112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need emergency help after hurricane Floyd Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:13:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7s6f24$87o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37e5da52.5417673@news.ipass.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 20 23:13:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.71 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21112 bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) wrote: > > Under the circumstances that I've described, is there any chance that > these bees will make it? Is there anything that we can do more than > what we've done to help? What is the best method to feed the bees? > Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? > > Brian ******************************************************** Howdy, Brian-- Under the circumstances, you have a near impossible chore. If you can find a beekeeper near you, call him and offer to give the bunch of bees to him. He can add them to a small colony or set up a method of feeding them. It's mighty late in the season for them to try to start from nothing (possibly not even a queen). Keep us posted. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Sep 21 05:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 21113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supercedure Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:00:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7s6hqp$a24$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <01bf021e$9a2edc60$20d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 21 00:00:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21113 > "Spike Psarris" wrote: >Assuming you have a good queen, wouldn't you want one of her > daughters instead of an unknown? **************************************************** Howdy Spike -- Sounds reasonable except for two things: 1. Loss of time in the supercedure. 2. Mating with unknown drones. (The professional breeder has isolated yards so that the drone parentage is pretty well known). Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From obriens@sky.net Tue Sep 21 05:18:04 EDT 1999 Article: 21114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!HSNX.callatg.com!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37C33E39.957AE067@cgocable.net> <37C34D9D.5A00@midwest.net> <7q9v48$1jn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7s1gu2$tln$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Sting remedy Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:18:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 937761613 209.90.4.164 (Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:20:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:20:13 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21114 Jeff Dugan < > I don't know if I'm right, but I like to believe that by removing as > much of the "juice" as possible, I'm reducing my lifetime exposure to > the material, and thus delaying or preventing the onset of a real > allergy to it. > Sure and I could be wrong but, It seems to me that the more stings one receives the more immune one becomes. Of course, anyone, at any time, can become allergic to the point of aanaphylaxis and it doesn't have any relation to how many or how few stings one has had in their lifetime. I am speaking from the standpoint of a person who receives an average of 100 stings per week. But one who always has a fresh Epipen kit nearby. I get very little reaction to the stings these days. AFter the first two months of receiving bee stings (as a therapy for MS) I no longer get the severe itching that I had at first. Very little swelling either. Still get the sting pain, but it is quite tolerable. John O'Brien From nospam@home.com Tue Sep 21 05:18:05 EDT 1999 Article: 21115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thick honey Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:11:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 937887094 24.6.224.103 (Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:11:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:11:34 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21115 I'm in the Denver, CO area, near Golden. This year's honey was very light but EXTREMELY thick! So thick you have to warm it up to use it at the table. It took a lot longer to extract a frame than usual because the honey did not want to come out. It was not crystallized at all though. Is there anyone on the NG that lives in this area with any idea what kind of honey this is. My crop three years ago was very similar. Thanks, George From bizziebees@aol.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:21 EDT 1999 Article: 21116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!skynet.be!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: *%$^$*^# YELLOW JACKETS! Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1999 23:27:16 GMT References: <19990918120531.04840.00000054@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990919192716.09889.00002425@ng-xb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21116 Cripes! That's double trouble! Sure am glad I am a New Englander! I know they'll (AHB's) will make it here eventually but for now I'm cool! Best regards to you Bob. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:22 EDT 1999 Article: 21117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any Word On Big Johnson? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 1999 23:29:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990919192919.01658.00002497@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21117 >Who has heard what's happening with Big Johnson. His last message >was a few days ago, and the storm was bad and the worst was still >yet to arrive, by 19 hours I think he said. It turns out the >floods were worse than the winds. > HI guys !! well we made it, the winds forced a lot of water through the door and window frames on the north end of the house, tried adding putty to the top of the door at 2 am with 50 mi hr wind blowing. Blew me off the dang steps !!!! I left a heck of an imprint in that wet ground. Lost a couple a trees but those three blocks on the beehives held !! lot more rain than fran was, the kids loved the creek after it got back to ankle deep, started dry went to 6 ft now back to ankle. thanks for the prayers !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:22 EDT 1999 Article: 21118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need emergency help after hurricane Floyd Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:58:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37e5da52.5417673@news.ipass.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 21 Sep 1999 09:59:51 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Sep 21 03:05:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust236.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37E756AB.4B13@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21118 Well, tell us where you live. I'm sure there is a beekeeper close by you that can lend a hand. Don From swehe@earthlink.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:23 EDT 1999 Article: 21119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What breed of bees best for South Central Kansas? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:14:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37E295D4.6D309453@nospam.boeing.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 19 Sep 1999 19:13:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Sep 19 12:15:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 32 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip137.san-antonio5.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37E5360D.85EEC63@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21119 Billy, I'm also a bee-ginner and buckfast bees were recommended to me. I've found them for the most part to be calm and easily worked. R Weavers and B Weavers in Navasota carries them and you can order off the net. It's best to establish them as early in the year as possible to take advantage of the spring bloom. That means having the hives built and painted before they arrive and try to find a nearby beekeeper willing to show you the ropes. Nothing like learning it firsthand. I've also had a couple people change their minds after being headbutted or chased. susan "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > > Group, > > I am a bee-ginner looking to start my first hive this spring. I plan > to order some package bees. I am located in South Central Kansas. My > question is what breed of bees do you all think is best for this > region? > > Thanks, > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > > From swehe@earthlink.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:24 EDT 1999 Article: 21120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Susan Wehe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:09:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 19 Sep 1999 19:08:05 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Sep 19 12:15:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip137.san-antonio5.tx.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37E534DB.3596A1E4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21120 I'm thinking about getting a solar extractor, probably is more than I need but seems like it would leave less of a mess. Has anyone used one and is it practical for a beekeeper with less than 5 or so hives? susan beeman wrote: > > Susan Wehe wrote in message <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net>... > > After all the honey that can be removed that way > >has dripped out, I heat the cappings on a low flame and remove the wax > >by skimming it off the top. > > I think a word of caution to a beginner is needed here. > Wax is very volatile, and should only be melted in a double boiler. > Be VERY careful. From jcore@aol.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:24 EDT 1999 Article: 21121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.idt.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: jcore@aol.net (coriolis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can't identify this honey type Message-ID: <37e758b3.2465918@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:14:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.188.131 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 937909193 204.213.188.131 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:19:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:19:53 EDT Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21121 I live in western Connecticut and within the last 3 weeks my bees have finally started preparing honey in the supers. This is my first year with bees so I know next to nothing about varieties of flowers which could produce types of honey. The honey is a very dark amber in color and has a very strong odor. It has hint of a maple syrup taste. Because Goldenrod is in bloom and the bees seem to be bringing in pollen from Goldenrod (unmistakably bright yellow pollen), I assumed I was going to get goldenrod honey. But when an experienced beekeeper visited my hive he thought it was pumpkin blossom honey. However, since I didn't put those supers on until the first of September I didn't think that was possible. Any ideas of what this honey would be? thanks, mark From harding@ermine.ox.ac.uk Tue Sep 21 17:17:25 EDT 1999 Article: 21122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!ermine.ox.ac.uk!harding From: Peter Harding Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK beginner in Oxfordshire Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:55:07 +0100 Organization: Knights of Xenu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ermine.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news.ox.ac.uk 937911311 16918 163.1.2.13 (21 Sep 1999 10:55:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ox.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 1999 10:55:11 GMT Frussetpouch: Normal Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21122 I'm very interested but I'm right at the beginning and need to do the most basic research. I've found a few websites answering questions but I'd really like to find a "Want to keep bees? Clueless? Read on..." page, preferably with a UK bias. Anyone? Hopefully it will contain recommendations of some good books. Also I'm trying to find a local beekeeper association but I've surfed across the UK beesites from one end of the country to the other and not found a link to an Oxfordshire one (there must be, surely?). Help appreciated! -- http://i.am/getting_married From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Sep 21 17:17:26 EDT 1999 Article: 21123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!bignews.mediaways.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can't identify this honey type NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Sep 1999 12:52:22 GMT References: <37e758b3.2465918@news.ntplx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990921085222.22656.00000555@ng-fy1.aol.com> Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21123 goldenrod, aster, japanese knotweed, wild clematis. Are what was blooming of late Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:26 EDT 1999 Article: 21124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: 20 Sep 1999 00:40:43 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bf02ff$d54be4a0$87d32dc7@spike> References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-3-135.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 937788043 2242 199.45.211.135 (20 Sep 1999 00:40:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 1999 00:40:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21124 Several people have responded to give pros & cons of the Sherriff suit. I wasn't asking about the Sherrif suit specifically, I was just wondering: if there was such a thing as a stingproof suit (maybe like the "Martha Stewart suit of armor"? :-), should you continue to smoke the bees or not? How disruptive is the smoke to them? From bizziebees@aol.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:27 EDT 1999 Article: 21125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bizziebees@aol.com (Bees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thick honey Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Sep 1999 14:10:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990921101007.20779.00000518@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21125 I'm just guessing George, but, it could be it was more completely ripened. Not much water in it. Ever try one of those gadgets (refractometers)? It measures the the moisture content of honey. It might be interesting to find out. Also, as is everywhere I imagine, some flowering plants do better one year and not so good the next. Maybe, that had something to do with it. Lastly, I keep honey I intend to extract in a warm room. It speeds up the process. This is in my opinion of course. From vfarm@excite.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:28 EDT 1999 Article: 21126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com (RemarQ User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping presentation Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Lines: 24 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:56:44 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.27 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937921902 10.0.2.27 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:51:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:51:42 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21126 I currently give presentations to elementary aged students (preschool through 5th grade) about pumpkins. This year, I have also added the option for a brief description about beekeeping, honeybees, and their affect on our pumpkin patch. After the field trips, the children are given a coloring book, to help them remember what they have learned, and share it with their parents and family. I want to add a page (or 2) in the coloring book about the honeybees, but am having extreme difficulty locating any coloring book type pictures of honeybees, beekeeping, or bees pollinating pumpkin blossoms. Do any of you have any suggestions (web sites, library books) where I might find such a picture? Or can you e-mail one to me? Field trips begin next week, so I need to get the coloring books to press tomorrow!! I'd appreciate any help you can provide! Sue -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From vfarm@excite.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:28 EDT 1999 Article: 21127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com (RemarQ User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fun Facts - Honeybees Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 06:16:27 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.36 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937923229 10.0.2.36 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:13:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:13:49 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21127 I'm getting ready to give a BRIEF presentation to 3rd graders about beekeeping (showing them an empty hive, bee nets, smoker, frames, etc) and telling them how the bees affect our pumpin patch. I'd like some of those 'FUN FACTS' about honeybees. . .how much honey they can produce in their lifetimes, how long they actually live, how fast they fly, how far they can fly on 1 ounce of honey, etc. etc. etc. I'd love to hear your FAVORITE (BUT TRUE) FUN FACTS about honeybees!! Sue -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Sep 21 17:17:29 EDT 1999 Article: 21128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:28:05 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7s3kvl$fbm$1@gxsn.com> References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <37e0dcf5.14767849@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.236.246 X-Trace: 937776949 1NNUCNF1GECF6C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21128 Booth Museum of Natural History wrote in message <37e0dcf5.14767849@news.pavilion.net>... >On 16 Sep 1999 07:27:39 GMT, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) >wrote: > >>okay, i tried to do my frames today, what a mess, after i a knife and - heat the inside of the >cabinet/closset with a 60 W light bulb. > > >Gerald Legg (Dr), >Brighton. >England. ------and don't forget use that clapped out deep freezer with the workings disposed of as a warming cabinet Easy to clean and plenty of insulation Chris From honeybs@radix.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:29 EDT 1999 Article: 21129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any Word On Big Johnson? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:29:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7s412m$2b2$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990919192919.01658.00002497@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p38.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21129 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>Who has heard what's happening with Big Johnson. His last message >>was a few days ago, and the storm was bad and the worst was still >>yet to arrive, by 19 hours I think he said. It turns out the >>floods were worse than the winds. >> >HI guys !! >well we made it, the winds forced a lot of water through the door and window >frames on the north end of the house, tried adding putty to the top of the door >at 2 am with 50 mi hr wind blowing. Blew me off the dang steps !!!! I left a >heck of an imprint in that wet ground. >Lost a couple a trees but those three blocks on the beehives held !! >lot more rain than fran was, the kids loved the creek after it got back to >ankle deep, >started dry went to 6 ft now back to ankle. >thanks for the prayers !!!!!! >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I hear a million turkeys didn't make out too well in NC. A lot of hogs drown there too. By the time Floyd got here to Maryland he slowed down to 40 mph and just droped 7 inches of rain. It all seemed to be gone the next day, sucked up like a dry sponge. Our county fair was this weekend and you would never know it rained. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From lithar@midwest.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:30 EDT 1999 Article: 21130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thick honey Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:43:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37E7C3AA.49AD@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21130 George C wrote: > > I'm in the Denver, CO area, near Golden. This year's honey was very light > but EXTREMELY thick! So thick you have to warm it up to use it at the table. > It took a lot longer to extract a frame than usual because the honey did not > want to come out. It was not crystallized at all though. Is there anyone > on the NG that lives in this area with any idea what kind of honey this is. > My crop three years ago was very similar. > > Thanks, > > George As a matter of curiosity - does it have a different aroma? I ask because of a similar experience last year, only my honey had an offensive odor. It looked great and was thick like you described, but there was a unique fragrance about it. I sent some samples off for opinions, the opinions said it stunk.... AL From h.tait@home.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu> Subject: Re: menthol or grease patties? Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:45:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 937935924 24.65.132.209 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:45:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:45:24 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21131 Just got back from Apomondia. very interesting. Some of the information presented ( scientific studies ) indicates that breeding for resistance for tracheal mites is the best way to be done with the problem. That if you breed resistant hives to resistant hives, the prodgeny inherehits the origional parents resistance, and improves on it 60% of the time. This helps explain why tracheal mites do not have the same impact today that they had in our area when they first hit. Our surviving hives were resistant and out of neccesity we bred from them as did others. I think breeding is where the long term solution will come from for varroa as well. But it will be slower and more difficult. A balence between keeping your bees alive and letting them suffer enough to see resistance. Unfortunately at this point varroa resistance is not as achievable as tracheal resistance. As a side note, chemicals ( a neesasary evil) and antibiotics are creating resistant mites, and antibiotic resistant AFB. Definitely a short term solution that we will pay for with stronger and stronger chemicals, and weaker bees. An example that comes to mind, is herbicide resistant weeds that are just about unkillable that are now showing up after 30 years of herbacide use. If I were a hobbiest , I would inquire around and purchase a hive or two form some one who has already experience tracheal mite pressure and losses and buy 2 strong hivesfrom him/her. This way you would get a jump on breeding resistance.IMHO hugh David Kelley wrote in message news:37E25DFF.D695E026@soils.umn.edu... > Question: which is more effective against tracheal mites, menthol or > grease patties? What is optimal temperature range for each treatment? > When should they be put in and removed? Does anyone use both? Any help > appreciated on this one. I am a first year beekeeper and hear that > tracheal mites can be a real scourge to hives in overwintering areas > such as the upper Midwest here. You betcha. > > -- > David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) > Agricultural Research Service, USDA > Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate > 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota > 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 > phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 > > From h.tait@home.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: supers and medication Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:54:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 937936477 24.65.132.209 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:54:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:54:37 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21132 > > Before you pump your colonies full of medicines, do establish whether they > are in need of them. > > Would you fill yourself with medicines 'just in case'? > > Just wondering what you/we are going to use on antibiotic resistant foulbrood? hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and math Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Sep 1999 18:53:23 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <19990921145323.23398.00000580@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21133 There was an article in the newspaper that a mathematician has proven that the bees honeycomb shape uses the least amount of wax. Or bees' honeycomb was a result not of an innate sense of geometric beauty but of nature's efficiency. The honeycomb conjecture was first proposed in the 4th century and only recently proven. The proof is on the net and is 19 pages long. Al From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 21 17:17:33 EDT 1999 Article: 21134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping presentation Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:09:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7s8l8l$ebv$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 937941077 14719 62.136.9.145 (21 Sep 1999 19:11:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 1999 19:11:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 56 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21134 Try:- Steve Forrest BRUSHY MOUNTAIN BEE FARM, Inc 610 BETHANY CHURCH ROAD MORAVIAN FALLS NC 28654 Phone 1-800-233-7929 Fax 1-336-921-2681 or DADANT & SONS Inc 51 SOUTH 2nd STREET HAMILTON IL 62341-1399 Phone 217-847-3324 Fax 217-847-3660 Hope this helps Graham RemarQ User wrote in message news:O3MF3.1649$664.898568@WReNphoon3... > I currently give presentations to elementary aged students (preschool > through > 5th grade) about pumpkins. This year, I have also added the option for a > brief > description about beekeeping, honeybees, and their affect on our pumpkin > patch. After the field trips, the children are given a coloring book, to > help them > remember what they have learned, and share it with their parents and family. > I want to add a page (or 2) in the coloring book about the honeybees, but am > having extreme difficulty locating any coloring book type pictures of > honeybees, > beekeeping, or bees pollinating pumpkin blossoms. Do any of you have any > suggestions (web sites, library books) where I might find such a picture? > Or > can you e-mail one to me? Field trips begin next week, so I need to get the > coloring books to press tomorrow!! I'd appreciate any help you can provide! > > > Sue > > > > -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- > Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From allend@internode.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:33 EDT 1999 Article: 21135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:42:21 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <000001bf0461$09f5b660$02000003@allend> References: <37E41507.262E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37E41507.262E@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6x8GdNLfEClb0yYv0ZBKHJu?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21135 > I have one and really love it. When I lean forward it touches the back > of my head and ears. Have been stung on both ears at the same time, > however had i not had it on it would have been much worse. Sherriff veils are all we've used for many years now, because they are easy to use when several people are getting in and out of trucks all day and the big veils get in the way. Nonetheless they have their drawbacks: 1.) For one thing, they offer no sun protection, and I now have age spots that I wouldn't have had should I have used a regular veil with a hat. I spoke to Mr. Sherriff one time and he made me some veils with a cloth top that worked just as well and provided shade, but they are long since used up. 2.) These veils are murder on a forklift. When you turn your head to look back, the veil still points forward and you can't see. Looking up can be a problem too. 3.) If you don't have a beard, you get stung on the chin repeatedly if there is any wind or if you look up. 4.) We use the mesh bodice type and they seem to be designed for a hunchback rather than a typical large square shouldered person, hence the fit leaves something to be desired. (There are some points at which the elastic can be tightened, however). No veil is perfect, but these are pretty darn good. There are knock-offs of the veils on the market now too, and hopefully competition will address some of the shortcomings. Although we use these veils almost exclusively, we've never used the Sherriff suits, because we go through a suit a day per person and the cost would be prohibitive or washing would be a constant pressure. Although the Sherriff bveils are great, you really can't beat the old tulle veil for cost, convenience and economy. The problem is that not everyone can manage a tulle veil, and the Sherrif ones are well attached and obvious. Ie. if you were to get into a truck to drive twenty (or 50) miles to a yard, your buddies would notice you were lacking a Sherriff veil. A tulle veil tucked into your pocket is not so noticeable. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beeman@ic24.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:34 EDT 1999 Article: 21136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "beeman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7rq65b$2emu$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <37E28087.2FAA50D7@earthlink.net> <37E534DB.3596A1E4@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:48:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.234.88 X-Trace: news2-hme0 937941472 195.44.234.88 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:17:52 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:17:52 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21136 Susan Wehe wrote in message <37E534DB.3596A1E4@earthlink.net>... >I'm thinking about getting a solar extractor, probably is more than I >need but seems like it would leave less of a mess. Has anyone used one >and is it practical for a beekeeper with less than 5 or so hives? > Yes they are ideal. Probably not much good for anyone with a great number of hives . If you have a local glass merchant ask him (her?) if they have any double glazed units that they have replaced,. If you can find one of a reasonable size, make a box to fit, ( Drawings are on the 'net', or I could send you one ). They get so hot they can crack the glass occasionally, even in the UK but they still work Put the wax in bag made from an old piar of nylon tights or similar, and when collected in the tray it is already filtered. From allend@internode.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:35 EDT 1999 Article: 21137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:05:46 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <000101bf0464$4f5e8b20$02000003@allend> References: <7rvn20$lic@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7rvn20$lic@titan.oit.unc.edu> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _9S5uGRHcNJLcTm4ECa2uy8sierCHuVnT?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21137 > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Has bee-l logs archived up to this past week (9/99). That is good to know. There is also a new site that allows full and flexible access to BEE-L from the web. It can be reached at http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html The search at http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html is very advanced and flexible; it offers Boolean operators and control of substring searches, and returns an appropriate series of individual posts, drawing from an archive that goes back over more than 10 years. It is possible to read current and past posts to BEE-L there, and also to post to the list from the website itself. Search by author is available, and current discussion logs can be instantly sorted by thread, author or date. Due to the availablility of these logs in a convenient format, it is now possible for members to look up discussions on any topic at all by keyword, and to either find what they need or use previous posts as a springboard for new discussion. For some months now, BEE-L has been moderated to ensure high quality and to minimize noise and excess volume. The results are a list that suffers less from SPAM, flames, chatter, repetition, and rudeness. Anyone is welcome to sample or read BEE-L on the web or to subscribe to BEE-L in email format. There is no cost or obligation. You can do any of these things at http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From vfarm@excite.com Tue Sep 21 17:17:36 EDT 1999 Article: 21138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: vfarm@excite.com (RemarQ User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with Presentations Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6IPF3.1698$664.928743@WReNphoon3> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:04:31 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.36 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 937936770 10.0.2.36 (Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:59:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:59:30 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21138 I am getting ready to give VERY SIMPLE presentations on beekeeping, honeybees, and how they affect our pumpkin patch. I currently pass out a coloring book with information about pumpkins. I would like to include a couple of coloring pages about bees, but am having difficulty finding pictures that would work. If any of you have any you could forward, I would greatly appreciate it. Also, if you know of any web pages that would help me out, I'd appreciate that also. I'd also like any FUN (BUT TRUE) facts you have about honeybees. The age groups will be between kindergarten and 5th grade. Thanks!! Sue -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****- Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser - FREE - From allend@internode.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Starving Bees Ignore Honey Stores? Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:07:19 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <000301bf046c$e883e400$02000003@allend> References: <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37DE3A93.22DA8C4E@zzclinic.net> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _S7vnFcxsBK42miPOEMHKmg= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21139 > Candy is excellent for feed for bees coming out of winter. If it > is over the cluster, it is right there for the bees to eat when > raising brood and they do not have to move to get it. Candy, > along with other things is why I have not lost a hive in the > winter over the past five years- in Maine. Hey Bill, Where do you get it, or do you make your own? allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From allend@internode.net Tue Sep 21 17:17:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Hey! It's a new thread! Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:07:20 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <000401bf046c$e93c85a0$02000003@allend> References: <7rl580$7er$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7rl580$7er$1@saltmine.radix.net> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6zp5+bqclKc7Xbt0xnG2khj?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21140 > I'll get on the ball and update the FAQ (sorely needs updating) for this > newsgroup and Internet beekeeping resources. Been wondering about this. Over BEE-L way, we've pretty well given up on the idea of an FAQ because there are so many, many answers to almost any question, and because discussion has been showing lately that the answers are very dependant on geography and also the regulatory environment. We've had some misunderstandings because what is true in Australia is not always true in America or Africa. Our solution has been to say that the logs are our FAQ and that you can ask =any= question you want of them via the searches now available at http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html. I've tried it myself and been blown away by how detailed the results have been -- and how helpful. Since the searches access the totality of discussions over many years, it is possible to get a good perspective on the issues. I can't imagine writing an FAQ that is as three dimensional as the logs. There are other advantages to a good search engine, too. On BEE-L, if the 'FAQ' does not exactly answer my query, I can, using the search page at http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html, re-start a thread from years back. I've tried this on sci.ag.bee, using the searches at DejaNews, but been unsuccessful, since the system does not seem to allow threading to continue very far back. One case where it would have been nice was the matter of chilling cells that we had this spring. Jack had done work on this sveral years ago, and although I could find his post, I could not reply to it and had to begin a new thread. Also, on the subject of FAQs, I am beginning to think that books still have the net beat for variety and depth. I used to diss books, since I remembered the books that we had 30 years ago that were long on flowery speech and short on facts. Since then I've taken a look and changed my mind. A lot of great books have been written in the past twenty years, and every time I pass Larry Conner's booth at a convention, I have to add another to my pile. The books we have now are packed full of good advice, and I still think that anyone beginning in bees would be making a mistake to rely on the net for anything but to augment a good library and a local beekeeping mentor. Having said that, good luck, and thanks for your work making the internet a useful place for beekeepers. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 21 17:17:38 EDT 1999 Article: 21141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK beginner in Oxfordshire Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:20:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7s8pg2$b9q$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-49.headcook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 937945410 11578 62.136.140.49 (21 Sep 1999 20:23:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 1999 20:23:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21141 > > Also I'm trying to find a local beekeeper association but I've surfed > across the UK beesites from one end of the country to the other and not > found a link to an Oxfordshire one (there must be, surely?). Contact the Oxfordshire BKA secretary: I James, Edelweiss, Burford Road, Brize Norton OX18 3NY Tel 01993 841897 For books contact the biggest bee book publisher in the country Jeremy Burbidge Northern Bee Books Scout Bottom Farm Mytholmroyd HX7 5JS tel 01422 882751 fax 01422 886157 jeremy@recordermail.demon.co.uk For general leaflets on starting beekeeping try British Beekeepers' Association s.edwards@bbka.demon.co.uk Ask for a catalogue from EHThorne, Beehive Works, WRAGBY, LN3 5LA (they have agents in your area). thorne@dial.pipex.com http://www.thorne.co.uk These are the very best sources for anyone who is considering keeping bees in UK. You'll get far more from these than spending time and money on the web. Mary From chmelik@earthlink.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:30 EDT 1999 Article: 21243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Bill Chmelik Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium supers Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:23:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37EA851C.3DEB5D73@bellsouth.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Sep 1999 03:24:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Sep 25 20:25:15 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip8.frederick.md.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37ED91B3.E9B93227@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21243 I have been out of active beekeeping for about 5 years but always used only medium supers after my first year -- it was so much easier to work that way and I feel more efficient Michael Franklin wrote: > I am looking to re-enter beekeeping on a hobby basis. I had 4 hives in > high school, but haven't had any is probably 10 years. I kept them in > deep hive bodies and shallow honey supers. I've been re-familiarizing > myself with everything and have seen several things on standardizing on > medium supers. I was wondering: > > Has anyone tried all mediums? Good, bad, indifferent? Differences? > > Just for a location reference, I'm in south Florida about 30 miles north > of Miami. Would this make a difference? I kept bees in north Louisiana > before. > > Thanks in advance for the advice. > > Michael Franklin From anglin@mi.verio.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:31 EDT 1999 Article: 21244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37EBEEF7.F3C2DD40@greensboro.com> Subject: Re: treating wax moths? help required Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:01:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 938283405 209.69.69.137 (Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:16:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:16:45 GMT Organization: Verio Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21244 Moth balls are OK for EMPTY frames, but if the Moth Balls are the Paradyclorobenzyne Type- DO NNOT USE NAPTHA!!!! Read the package and make sure that the only active ingredient in the moth balls or crystals is Paradyclorobenzyne! Still, I must agree that Freezing is better- It doesn't stink up the combs and require airing out before returning them to the hive. Having enough space in the freeser is hard for some tho..... Para does help deter mice in storage - they don't seem to like the smell either... Ellen R. Foust wrote in message news:37EBEEF7.F3C2DD40@greensboro.com... > I extracted some honey tonite and found wax moths. I'd like to reuse the > frames. > > My father said that when he used to mess with bees, he'd just put the > hive body, with > frames into a plastic garbage bag and throw in a handful of 'moth > balls'. It'd kill the moths and he'd reuse the frames. > > Is this acceptable? Or is there a safer alternative. > > any help appreciated... > From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: red lumps? on my bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <2vnsN8R8GPte3YD6BQqNi+90QpPC@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:36:50 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.85 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938277681 38.11.203.85 (Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:41:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:41:21 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21245 >Have noticed these little red things on my bee. What are they and what >do I do? that's a varroa mite, watch them move, like a crab, and fast too. what to do? well....start reading Charles Kroeger From allend@internode.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:32 EDT 1999 Article: 21246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: red lumps? on my bees Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:20:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7sj08l$5ho$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 25 17:20:31 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.180 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21246 > Have noticed these little red things on my bee. What are they and what do I do? Please help! Well, there is naturally a reddish lump on the back of the thorax of honey bees. It is centred and does not come off. No worries. However, if you have varroa mites, they are reddish lumps that are found normally on the abdomen and will not be centred. They do come off. A close look will show that they have legs. Now worry. A quick search at the address below will bring up lots of talk about what to do, but for most of us, it means to get some Apistan (R) ASAP and put it into the hive according to instructions. A piece of white paper placed under the frames on the bottom board, preferrably with some screen on it (to keep the bees from removing mites that drop) will show you how many were alive in the hive before your treatment. Depending on where you live, numbers over 20 or so after 24 hours mean you had a problem. Numbers in the hundreds mean you had a serious problem, and numbers in the thousands can mean the hive may not winter, even after treatment. allen -- Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:33 EDT 1999 Article: 21247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for fermenting honey? Date: 26 Sep 1999 05:15:41 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bf07de$8fad59e0$1ed32dc7@spike> References: <37E2C3CD.3E30@my-deja.com> <37ED8DC1.E54F1AD3@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-1-30.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 938322941 98222 199.45.211.30 (26 Sep 1999 05:15:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 05:15:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21247 > Jeff Dugan wrote: > > > Now my father-in-law has some jars of honey that are showing signs > > of fermentation.... How do you tell when honey ferments? Smell, taste, color...? From anglin@mi.verio.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:34 EDT 1999 Article: 21248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37EA851C.3DEB5D73@bellsouth.com> <37ED91B3.E9B93227@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Medium supers Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:11:23 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 938325994 209.69.69.143 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 06:06:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 06:06:34 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21248 All mediums works great- but I did find it inconvenient to have 1/3 more frames to search when examining the brood nest and searching for the queen, queen cells, etc. Ellen > > > > Has anyone tried all mediums? Good, bad, indifferent? Differences? > > > From bobpursley@aol.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:35 EDT 1999 Article: 21249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Sep 1999 13:25:30 GMT References: <37ED835C.5C72@monmouth.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990926092530.20298.00002196@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21249 Subject: Re: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees From: sanford@monmouth.com Date: Sat, 25 September 1999 10:22 PM EDT Message-id: <37ED835C.5C72@monmouth.com> <......: Fxxxxxx great! ....> I have my filters on, but that is a word that I never expected in the Beekeeping group. I suppose next it will be in the published journals. Bob From chmelik@earthlink.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:35 EDT 1999 Article: 21250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Bill Chmelik Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for fermenting honey? Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:06:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37E2C3CD.3E30@my-deja.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Sep 1999 03:08:09 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Sep 25 20:15:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip8.frederick.md.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <37ED8DC1.E54F1AD3@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21250 mmmm sounds like time to make MEAD!! Jeff Dugan wrote: > I've made honey taffy before, by boiling the honey down, cooling, > and pulling and pulling. The candy's pretty good, and if you've got more > people expecting gift honey than you have honey for, the candy > (individually wrapped in wax paper) makes a more impressive gift than the > corresponding amount of honey. The candy has to be stored in the > refrigerator, though, or it will re-absorb moisture from the atmosphere > and get gooey. > Now my father-in-law has some jars of honey that are showing signs > of fermentation. Could this honey be salvaged by making taffy from it? > The process would remove the excess water, drive off the alcohol, and > kill the bugs. Or am I missing something? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:36 EDT 1999 Article: 21251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:19:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7slgak$kmh$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01bf021e$655050a0$20d32dc7@spike> <01bf02ff$d54be4a0$87d32dc7@spike> <7s67lj$94k$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.tumpette.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938362004 21201 62.136.116.206 (26 Sep 1999 16:06:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:06:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21251 George Styer wrote in message <7s67lj$94k$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >At some time you will realize that you have neglected to zip the veil on >your 'sting-proof' suit. Been there, done that. > >As for using the smoke, you could certainly use less or go without. But why >would you want to work the bees as they are bouncing off your veil. This is >supposed to be enjoyable. Other factor are bare hands, neighbors, etc. I >often work on my backyard hives with the kids playing about so I certainly >would not go without the smoke. > >If smoke was not disruptive, it wouldn't work. The disruption is short >lived. > >Smoke is a tool, not a weapon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Good points here! I too have forgotten to zip up my Sherriff veil on more than one occasion! However, I find that its worst faults are: 1 it blows against your face if there is any wind 2 if you are a bit thin on top (like me), you will get stung on the forehead quite regularly unless you wear a hat under the veil (and that makes it too hot). Smoke is used not only to calm bees but also to move them. Trying to remove frames from a hive when the lugs are covered in bees is not good for the bees or the beekeeper. The use of a smoker is an art. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Sep 30 09:05:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium supers Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:17:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990926121714.28359.00002653@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21252 Mediums save your back. Most of us arn't getting any younger. Even feed no longer comes in 100lb sacks Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:37 EDT 1999 Article: 21253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for fermenting honey? Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:26:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7slig6$mfq$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37E2C3CD.3E30@my-deja.com> <37ED8DC1.E54F1AD3@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.lipitor.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938364230 23034 62.136.76.149 (26 Sep 1999 16:43:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:43:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21253 Probably not! Mead requires good honey and a proper wine yeast. Given the amount of time that it takes to make and mature mead it is not worth risking fermenting honey which will almost certainly have off flavours. ------------------------------------------------- Bill Chmelik wrote in message <37ED8DC1.E54F1AD3@earthlink.net>... >mmmm sounds like time to make MEAD!! > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:38 EDT 1999 Article: 21254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for fermenting honey? Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:31:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7slig7$mfq$3@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37E2C3CD.3E30@my-deja.com> <37ED8DC1.E54F1AD3@earthlink.net> <01bf07de$8fad59e0$1ed32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.lipitor.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938364231 23034 62.136.76.149 (26 Sep 1999 16:43:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:43:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21254 Well for a start, if it is stored in a honey bucket the lid will probably be bulging upwards. Jars will overflow and the honey will be frothy on the surface; beery smell and sometimes a taste reminiscent of lemon. It is worth noting that honey fermenting in bulk storage often starts to ferment at the surface if it is a bit wet; this can be removed leaving good honey beneath that can then be used quickly or blended with some that has a lower moisture content. ---------------------------------------------------------- Spike Psarris wrote in message <01bf07de$8fad59e0$1ed32dc7@spike>... > > >> Jeff Dugan wrote: >> >> > Now my father-in-law has some jars of honey that are showing signs >> > of fermentation.... > >How do you tell when honey ferments? Smell, taste, color...? > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:39 EDT 1999 Article: 21255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Scarcity of Honey Bees Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:42:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7slig8$mfq$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37ced23c.7de4@earthlink.net> <7qnju7$ne0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7r6igs$4s0s$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7r7eau$mcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7rcu05$4dn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.lipitor.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938364232 23034 62.136.76.149 (26 Sep 1999 16:43:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:43:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21255 You missed my point. I was not knocking our health service - far from it, I believe that it is the best in the world. I was trying to make the point that constant medication of an animal (including bees and humans) will not make it healthier per se; the fact that we have had such a good health service for 50 years and are still less healthy seemed to me to illustrate that point. You are, of course, correct in the reasons that you give for the unhealthiness. And I do not drink "light beer" - and never will! ------------------------------------------------------------ Charlie Kroeger wrote in message ... >Peter Edwards, who apparently must be a spokesperson for the >Conservative Party's committee on media expressions to be used when >speaking to the faithful, draws on this proven standard: > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:39 EDT 1999 Article: 21256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: supers and medication Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:54:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7slgah$kmh$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7rjc8s$2fvk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <7rjusc$bsl$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.tumpette.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938362002 21201 62.136.116.206 (26 Sep 1999 16:06:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:06:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21256 >Just wondering what you/we are going to use on antibiotic resistant >foulbrood? > >hugh >Boschman Hughes Apiaries > -------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps it is time to ask why the foulbrood is antibiotic resistant. In the UK we have had a policy of destroying all colonies with AFB for many years and now have no real problem with it. Given the amount of antibiotic being (mis)used, it is no wonder that bacteria are becoming resistant. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:40 EDT 1999 Article: 21257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mr. Mraz Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:36:56 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7slgal$kmh$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990922143433.22453.00000911@ng-fr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.tumpette.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938362005 21201 62.136.116.206 (26 Sep 1999 16:06:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:06:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21257 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990922143433.22453.00000911@ng-fr1.aol.com>... >>What is carbolic acid fumes? >Thanks >Al ------------------------------------------------ Carcinogenic? From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:41 EDT 1999 Article: 21258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey looks like? Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:58:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7slgaj$kmh$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7BD45526A2DF8630.C4C8D99DA0676B56.208A559626BFC64B@lp.airnews.net> <19990921225921.22648.00000794@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-78.tumpette.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938362003 21201 62.136.116.206 (26 Sep 1999 16:06:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:06:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21258 JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990921225921.22648.00000794@ng-fy1.aol.com>... >Bout 12 pounds per gallon, I'm told. > >John ------------------------------------------ 14 From amschelp@pe.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:41 EDT 1999 Article: 21259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: today/northern hemisphere/12 hours light - 12 hours dark Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1540 Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 938369614 216.100.16.35 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:13:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:13:34 EDT Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:19:06 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21259 Today is the day after the first night of the Harvest Moon. Today is also the day when there are exactly the same number of hours >from sunrise to sunset as from sunset to sunrise. From helmick@webtv.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:42 EDT 1999 Article: 21260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: should I worry? Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3356-37EE5B75-35@newsd-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyI2U4Yq3HjOTYmll5bLecTc6FocCFDOnBiJ7BxExtqnbg31pCt/cDxwi Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21260 On inspecting my bees today, I found a lot of dead brood (not stringy, stinky, or any of the other discriptions usually given for disease). The bees were in the process of opening the cells and removing the dead brood and when I turned frames on their sides to inspect them, brood pieces fell out of the cells. I noticed varroa on some of them, enough to know I have a problem (which I have treated today with Apistan.) There were a few bees with deformed wings, but mostly the hive looked healthy and still very strong with a lot of eggs and larva present. They are busily bringing in pollen. Their honey supply is down which I expected after the extremely dry summer we've had. I intend to start feeding them ASAP in order to build up winter stores. I suspect pesticide poisoning, but why this late in the year? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Donna From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:43 EDT 1999 Article: 21261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7slhal$l1m$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:39:58 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.214 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938371469 38.31.18.214 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:44:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:44:29 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21261 John, what did you send to the newsgroup that was 4030 lines long? If I knew what it was maybe I'd take the time to download it. Otherwise, since I don't have a T1 line apparently like you, it would be nice to know first. Charles Kroeger From jozef.daems@skynet.be Thu Sep 30 09:05:43 EDT 1999 Article: 21262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "daems frans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thymol Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:45:37 +0200 Organization: CERA Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7slpgt$rou$1@news1.skynet.be> Reply-To: "daems frans" NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup3.mechelen.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 938371421 28446 195.238.30.3 (26 Sep 1999 18:43:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 18:43:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21262 Dear beekeepers, I am looking for the method of working and the experience with thymol as treatment against varroamite. I s there someone who can give me more info about this system.(e-mail adresses or websites). Thanks Best regards Frans Daems (mailto:Jozef.Daems@Skynet.be) (Web site: http://www.users.skynet.be/bijen) From me@here.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:44 EDT 1999 Article: 21263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!nntp2.cerf.net!news.connectnet.com!not-for-mail From: "news.funtv.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help in San Diego Cty Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:35:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.19.101.58 X-Trace: news.connectnet.com 938378263 206.19.101.58 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:37:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:37:43 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21263 I have a swarm that has decided to settle in my fig tree. Easy access. Swarm has been there at least 24 hrs that I know of and seems to be in no hurry to move on. Do not want exterminator! Do not respond if you are an exterminator! Am looking for a bee keeper in the San Diego area who will take this swarm and use it, not kill it! Please e-mail me directly at michael@thebarretts.com if you are interested. Thank you. From spike@spamfreefrontier.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:45 EDT 1999 Article: 21264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!falcon.america.net!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Entrance reduction Date: 26 Sep 1999 20:47:56 GMT Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bf0860$c6abe560$bdd32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-4-189.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 938378876 23722 199.45.211.189 (26 Sep 1999 20:47:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 20:47:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21264 Many books say that late September is the time to put entrance reducers on. I've been wondering: 1) Anybody here that doesn't use entrance reducers? There were posts on BEE-L from somebody who hasn't "in 35 years of beekeeping" and has never seen a mouse in his hives. He uses the short-side of the bottom board and believes that's enough. 2) My hives are on cinder blocks. Will this in itself reduce mouse interest, or doesn't it matter? 3) Is it better to put them on at night or in the morning when it's colder? I was out today and there's still a small flow going. Even when smoked the entrance filled right up with bees again immediately. Plus, I'd have to stand in the middle of a cloud of bees while putting them on. If I wait until it's colder, will it be easier to put the reducers on? Thanks for any suggestions -- remove spamfree to reply From bobpursley@aol.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:45 EDT 1999 Article: 21265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use for fermenting honey? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Sep 1999 13:40:52 GMT References: <01bf07de$8fad59e0$1ed32dc7@spike> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990926094052.09091.00001047@ngol02.aol.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21265 In article <01bf07de$8fad59e0$1ed32dc7@spike>, "Spike Psarris" writes: > >How do you tell when honey ferments? Smell, taste, color...? > Have your wife taste it. :) Reminds me of a letter to the editor in Gleanings in early 1920's, in regard to poisionous honey. One gent from West Virginia, on commenting about Mountain laural honey, stated that the way he tested it was to give a small chunk of it to the dog, if in 30 minutes the dog was not curled up in convulsions, it was then OK to give some to the kids. Bob From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:46 EDT 1999 Article: 21266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:29:44 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7sledk$7mb$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37E41507.262E@earthlink.net> <000001bf0461$09f5b660$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-196.sigrene-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 938360052 7883 62.136.200.196 (26 Sep 1999 15:34:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 15:34:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21266 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:iFTsN5rpwyHyH9veredJnd5jHI1e@4ax.com... > Allen Dick makes some points about the BJ Sheriff bee suit: > > >Sherriff veils are all we've used for many years now > >Nonetheless they have their drawbacks > > For one thing, they offer no sun protection, > > >If you don't have a beard, you get stung on the chin repeatedly if > > there is any wind or if you look up. > > For me, the cap with the bill seems to take care of this problem too. > In fact I'm surprised that Brian Sheriff doesn't make a nifty white cap > with a jaunty bill and long cotton sides rather like the foreign legion > used to wear, in "March or die", and offer this as an important addition > to his veils and suits. That would solve all the problems you've > encountered, save fork lift visibility. > > Maybe it's because he's English, since they lost the empire, they've > forgotten about the hot sun. Hey, we can't forget. We've had record temperatures and hours of sunlight in 1999 and it's no joke. (I suspect you wanted someone to respond to this bait!) I wear my Sherriff suit with only undies underneath and with white wellingtons, they are cooler than black or green ones. I am hot but no hotter than in my everyday clothing. The strap on water carrier is a good idea. We use a plastic spray gun to keep faces cool. Brian Sherriff has travelled all round the world (as you probably know) so is au fait with every kind of weather. My husband, who has a large beard, has no problems with his Sherriff veil. I don't have a beard and have never been stung on the any part of my face when wearing one properly zipped. When it hasn't been is another story. We both need to wear a large peaked 'baseball' cap under it to keep the veil well away from our faces. (This is the first time anyone else has been told about this devious part of our behaviour.) Mary from England From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 30 09:05:47 EDT 1999 Article: 21267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: red lumps? on my bees Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:16:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7slig1$mfq$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.lipitor.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 938364225 23034 62.136.76.149 (26 Sep 1999 16:43:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:43:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21267 If they look like a crab, with 8 legs mainly tucked under them and their mouthparts on the 'long' side (rather than at one end) then they are varroa. However, varroa are usually (note - usually) to be found on the underside of the bee tucked in between the segments - and they are very difficult to see. It seems more likely that they are Braula Coeca, a harmless, wingless fly; it has six legs and is usually found on the thorax or head of the bee - queens often have considerable numbers. ------------------------------------------------ alyceL wrote in message ... >Have noticed these little red things on my bee. What are they and what >do I do? Please help! >-- >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:48 EDT 1999 Article: 21268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37ED835C.5C72@monmouth.com> <19990926092530.20298.00002196@ng-bg1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:42:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.214 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938371603 38.31.18.214 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:46:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:46:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21268 > I suppose next it will be in the published journals. Yes, it is the most widely used word in the English language, and American too. Anglo Saxon apparently. Charles Kroeger From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:48 EDT 1999 Article: 21269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: red lumps? on my bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7slig1$mfq$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:03:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.214 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938372856 38.31.18.214 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:07:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:07:36 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21269 >However, varroa are usually (note - usually) to be found on the underside of >the bee tucked in between the segments The varroa mites that I used to have in some of my hives, were a reddish brown color, in the sun and they were shaped almost round and were very conspicuous on the bee. There was no mistaking it for a six legged fly. They did not appear to like being seen and would move quickly crab-like to the other side of the bee, if they thought you were having a look. They were fast and they appeared to look like a little reddish brown world war I helmet that moved about the body of the bee. You don't really see their legs until you examined a dead one, by turning it over. When you see the underside of a varroa, you will see how they use their legs to "clamp" on and start sucking with (no doubt) parts I can't see within the circle of legs. All this can be determined, save the sucking parts, without a microscope. If by a comparison of scale, you were to have on your person a mite that would be the same size to you as the varroa mite is to the bee, you would be seeing a thing on your body about 4 inches in diameter; not a pleasant thought, I wonder what the bee thinks? Charles Kroeger From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:49 EDT 1999 Article: 21270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <19990923091330.08899.00000335@ngol02.aol.com> <19990923153812.29403.00000369@ng-cc1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:54:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.196 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938289557 38.11.203.196 (Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:59:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:59:17 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21270 >Simple....God designed it that way . Uhh ho. C.K. From ghclark@my-deja.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:50 EDT 1999 Article: 21271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: George C Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Thick honey Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:42:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7sjc31$dj2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <000501bf0759$029b9e20$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 25 20:42:11 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.6.224.103 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDghclark Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21271 Allen: I don't think it's fireweed. I do not think we even have it in Colorado. I did not find it in a Colorado wildfower book, and I found a picture of it on the net and did not recognize it. Also my honey is not that light. It has some yellow. George In article <000501bf0759$029b9e20$02000003@allend>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > This sounds like fireweed honey. Are you near a patch of it, or in the > mountains? > > Pure fireweed honey is as white as pure mountain water and so thick that when > you turn a jar over, it barely moves. The reason is that it is thixotropic, > like heather honey. That means if you stir it it gets thin, but if it sits a > while, it gets thick again. > > You can read more by searching under 'fireweed' or 'thixotropic'. > > allen > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:51 EDT 1999 Article: 21272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: robbing...? Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37ED3E58.7D29@monmouth.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:37:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.125 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938324538 38.11.203.125 (Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:42:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:42:18 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21272 sanford also known as Shari prepares her bees for winter: >How much should I feed this late in the fall I think you just make trouble "feeding" bees at this time of year, you should wait until January and feed them if they run short. I guess you must have a few warmish days in New Jersey during January and February; I could be wrong about that. Always feed your bees in smallish quantities during these periods (warmish days in mid winter) along with some pollen substitute in a chamber above the cluster using a method that will not leak syrup. Make sure the syrup is "light" like nectar, not 50:50; plastic bags, as you found out, are risky in warm weather, but a complete disaster in cold. Don't use them. >Can someone try to describe what a hive being robbed looks like? pretty much like an Australian football match being seen from a blimp. >I'm hoping that didn't precipitate a major problem... You did, so now you know so don't do it again. >We treated with apistan and added some grease patties yes, but..why? Do you have mites, you didn't make that clear in your post. >but the wax moths seem to be a bit more invasive than she liked seemed? was the hive full of wax moth cocoon, or just a few? Wax moth invasion happens because a hive is in diminished circumstances, i.e. weak. The reasons why that might be can fill several books. In time you'll know more. >she seemed to think that they may not have enough stores to last the winter. How much does the hive weigh? 80 pounds, 100? Probably for your latitude I would think your hives should weigh at least that. Try to weigh them or have your beekeeping friend and yourself try to lift them and get an estimate. After a few years you'll get a feel for judging that. In my opinion, do as little to the bees as possible. I'm not saying do nothing, I'm just suggesting you don't loose your ability to think. I really cringe reading about all that destructive Victorian zeal in the old bee books. They were people who were overconfident yet thoroughly ignorant but never questioned their actions. Like most things, they considered the honey bee as imperfect and requiring their help. Charles Kroeger From jas3@netreach.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:51 EDT 1999 Article: 21273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer.ebone.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx2nh3!not-for-mail From: "John A. Simkiss III" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:40:49 -0400 Organization: UUNET Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7smllq$hjv$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> References: <7slhal$l1m$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.simkiss.com X-Trace: ffx2nh3.news.uu.net 938400250 18047 63.67.219.129 (27 Sep 1999 02:44:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Sep 1999 02:44:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21273 Are you running your 300 baud modem on an Apple ][ + or a VIC-20 ? I didn't post via a T-1. In fact my dial-up hardly ever connects at faster than 24,000 bps. The file is 243 KB in total size. On a 28.8 Kbps modem, you are capable of receiving 28,800 bits per second. That's the equivalent of 3,600 KB per second. Given the file size, a 28.8 Kbps modem operating at that speed would imply 67.5 whole seconds or......1.125 whole minutes ! If your modem is utilizing data compression, it would take even less time. jas3 p.s. Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you what the post is ! It is the proof of "The Honeycomb Conjecture" by the mathematician Thomas C. Hales in PDF format. Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:DWjuN981oelZg=6vbp25bAR4YPS0@4ax.com... John, what did you send to the newsgroup that was 4030 lines long? If I knew what it was maybe I'd take the time to download it. Otherwise, since I don't have a T1 line apparently like you, it would be nice to know first. Charles Kroeger From anglin@mi.verio.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:52 EDT 1999 Article: 21274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!HSNX.callatg.com!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: red lumps? on my bees Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <12JH3.192$4X3.3681@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:49:59 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 938433789 209.69.69.120 (Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:03:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:03:09 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21274 Assuming you are in the united states..... Probably Varroa mites- you should be treating with Apistan strips (Available >from your bee supplier) Two strips are hung in the brood chamber for 45-55 days, and then removed. (Read the instructions!) Acts like a no-pest strip on the mites- doesn't hurt the bees. (Unlike a no-pest strip) Most beekeepers use them every fall to keep the mite population down. Some use them spring and fall to assure low mite population during the honey season. (There are other options, but that requires a lot more explanation.) The strips cannot be in the hive when there is honey that is going to be harvested for human consumption on the hive. If there are supers on, they must be removed, or the honey fed back to the bees- you don't want pesticides in your honey! There is a new strip available for treating mites- it is called check mite+. Do not use this strip unless you know you have mites that are resistant to the pesticide in Apistan strips. The pesticide in Check mite is much nastier and more toxic than the one in Apistan- you can get nerve damage from handling the Check mite strips without heavy rubber gloves. Organophosphates are nasty, and nothing to fool around with! Good luck! Ellen alyceL wrote in message news:sv6H3.18994$LL2.185418@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com... > Have noticed these little red things on my bee. What are they and what > do I do? Please help! > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From jolin@whidbey.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "R.O." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized bees Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:12:47 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <37ec4039.5858310@news.globalcenter.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21275 > > > I've seen films of Africans in loin cloths harvesting honey from hives with just a smokey torch. How can they with African Bees??? BOB From randy-nessler@uiowa.edu Thu Sep 30 09:05:53 EDT 1999 Article: 21276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super storage? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:09:46 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 9 Message-ID: <37EF96CA.F1B645F5@uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21276 How long can one get away with storing supers prior to extracting? Is it somewhat safe to assume that no wax moths will hatch and start chewing things up? I have the supers stored in a shed, sealed tightly, and am trying to make the time to extract, but things keep getting in the way. Randy -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. From allend@internode.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:54 EDT 1999 Article: 21277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:00:26 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <000401bf0901$69ae2160$02000003@allend> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6xSWrZXlFtPfhjNhF1IGGIF?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21277 ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://listserv.albany.edu/archives/bee-l.html Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. > ...I would just like to say this about that: I would hate to see > sci.agriculture.beekeeping become moderated into technical sterility. > I think this newsgroup is better for being NOT moderated and will > continue to enjoy it if it isn't... I don't think anyone has any intention or desire to moderate sci.ag.bee. It was set up to be exactly what it is AFAIK. Right, Adam? BEE-L has an entirely different purpose and target audience. So do the other lists that are springing up around the net. Some will be restricted in their scope, and some will not. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Sep 30 09:05:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free! Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1999 15:34:40 GMT References: <7sltft$6e1$84@nslave1.tin.it> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990927113440.20783.00003169@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21278 >RemoteControlSystem 1.2 beta. It's free!!! I'm not going to any site that spams all the newsgroups. Anyone know what in the world this is? Some sucker braver than me...... ;o) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Sep 30 09:05:55 EDT 1999 Article: 21279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees and math Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1999 17:57:16 GMT References: <7smllq$hjv$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990927135716.01156.00000305@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21279 Do you see the word "binary" anywhere in this newsgroup? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:56 EDT 1999 Article: 21280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Implications of sherrif suit Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <37E41507.262E@earthlink.net> <000001bf0461$09f5b660$02000003@allend> <7sledk$7mb$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:48:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.103 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938458373 38.31.18.103 (Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:52:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:52:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21280 Mary from England says: >I don't have a beard Me 'neither. >Hey, we can't forget. We've had record temperatures and hours of >sunlight in 1999 and it's no joke. So, you will be well placed for Global warming, of course there are those ocean levels to think about, maybe you live in the mountains, such as they are. >I wear my Sherriff suit with only undies underneath and with >white wellingtons Humm, is your Sheriff suit made from that thin nylon material? and does it get wet (from sweating on those hot days) and stick to your skin? >Brian Sherriff has travelled all round the world Humm, I met Brian and his daughter once. They were selling their suits and other stuff at the Honey Producers convention in Corpus Christi, Texas. (January, 1996) They were both wearing suits that were orange in colour, and made of that light weight material on which the bees can't negotiate a landing. You have one of those orange suits, or is it white? C.K. - Congaudeat turba fidelium From adamf@radix.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:57 EDT 1999 Article: 21281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Date: 27 Sep 1999 15:48:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7sohn5$hjj$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7rvn20$lic@titan.oit.unc.edu> <000101bf0464$4f5e8b20$02000003@allend> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21281 In article , Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>> http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Has bee-l logs archived up to this past week >>(9/99). > > >But where is August 99? Solly. It's Sept99.txt I'll change it momentairly. Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:57 EDT 1999 Article: 21282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!skynet.be!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Date: 27 Sep 1999 15:49:57 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7sohp5$hlg$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <000401bf0901$69ae2160$02000003@allend> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21282 In article <000401bf0901$69ae2160$02000003@allend>, Allen Dick wrote: >I don't think anyone has any intention or desire to moderate sci.ag.bee. It was >set up to be exactly what it is AFAIK. Right, Adam? > Absolutely, Allen. :-) Adam -- Adam J. Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:58 EDT 1999 Article: 21283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Updated bee-l logs available metalab.unc.edu/bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <7rvn20$lic@titan.oit.unc.edu> <000101bf0464$4f5e8b20$02000003@allend> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:15:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.18.103 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 938460026 38.31.18.103 (Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:20:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:20:26 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21283 >> http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Has bee-l logs archived up to this past week >(9/99). But where is August 99? C.K. From Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:58 EDT 1999 Article: 21284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!peerfeed.news.psi.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Quality of Redbud Honey X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1649522B7D13889A554A664E" Message-ID: <37EFDD44.6E745122@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numerical Control Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:10:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:21284 --------------1649522B7D13889A554A664E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Group, I am located in an area that has a profusion of redbud trees. I understand that these trees are nectar producing and popular with honeybees. Does anyone know what redbud honey tastes like? Thanks, -- Billy Y. 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Hello Group,
I am located in an area that has a profusion of redbud trees. I understand that
these trees are nectar producing and popular with honeybees. Does anyone know what
redbud honey tastes like?



Thanks,



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From info@broennimann.com Thu Sep 30 09:05:59 EDT 1999
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Most people here Geneva Switzerland feed bees in October, about 7 liters of
50/50 sirup per hive.
They also reduce the number of frames in the main hive body from 12 to 10,
putting boards in instead of the outermost frames. This is to make the place
smaller and less heat to be lost by the bees.
I just don't think it is logical to take out frames full of capped honey,
put in boards and then feed the bees.
Any opinion?

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Charlie Kroeger  a écrit dans le message :
WaPtN=kdyobWeZo4LDqCG0JWkCW1@4ax.com...
> sanford also known as Shari prepares her bees for winter:
>
> >How much should I feed this late in the fall
>
> I think you just make trouble "feeding" bees at this time of year, you
> should wait until January and feed them if they run short.  I guess you
> must have a few warmish days in New Jersey during January and February;
> I could be wrong about that.
>
> Always feed your bees in smallish quantities during these periods
> (warmish days in mid winter) along with some pollen substitute in a
> chamber above the cluster using a method that will not leak syrup.  Make
> sure the syrup is "light" like nectar, not 50:50; plastic bags, as you
> found out, are risky in warm weather, but a complete disaster in cold.
> Don't use them.
>
> >Can someone try to describe what a hive being robbed looks like?
>
> pretty much like an Australian football match being seen from a blimp.
>
> >I'm hoping that didn't precipitate a major problem...
>
> You did, so now you know so don't do it again.
>
> >We treated with apistan and added some grease patties
>
> yes, but..why?  Do you have mites, you didn't make that clear in your
> post.
>
> >but the wax moths seem to be a bit more invasive than she liked
>
> seemed? was the hive full of wax moth cocoon, or just a few?  Wax moth
> invasion happens because a hive is in diminished circumstances, i.e.
> weak.  The reasons why that might be can fill several books.  In time
> you'll know more.
>
> >she seemed to think that they may not have enough stores to last the
winter.
>
> How much does the hive weigh?  80 pounds, 100?  Probably for your
> latitude I would think your hives should weigh at least that.  Try to
> weigh them or have your beekeeping friend and yourself try to lift them
> and get an estimate.  After a few years you'll get a feel for judging
> that.
>
> In my opinion, do as little to the bees as possible. I'm not saying do
> nothing, I'm just suggesting you don't loose your ability to think.
>
> I really cringe reading about all that destructive Victorian zeal in the
> old bee books.  They were people who were overconfident yet thoroughly
> ignorant but never questioned their actions. Like most things, they
> considered the honey bee as imperfect and requiring their help.
>
> Charles Kroeger
>
>
>
>




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  sanford@monmouth.com wrote:



> 1.  How much should I feed this late in the fall--I don't want the
queen to get thinking she needs to speed up production.
>
> 2.  Can someone try to describe what a hive being robbed looks like?
> Shari
*************************************************************

Howdy Shari --

     I am still feeding my spring startups all the syrup they will take.
I need them to draw out foundation and store honey and pollen for the
spring.  Any they don't need will come in handy in making splits, hiving
swarms etc.

     Robbing is always accompanied by fighting at the entrance.  If the
robbers kill all the beesin a nuc or very small colony, the robbers
still fight among themselves.  If you do find this, reduce the entrance
of the hive being robbed and stuff green grass into the opening.  The
grass will wilt and be removed by the bees the next day.  It seems to
help to smoke the hives from which the robbers are coming.  They show a
lot of excitement and activity.

          Pete
So much to learn - So little time !
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Don: When North Carolina dries out, make sure you don't let those 
jews put in those sick hog farms again. If women would leave 
the workplace and go home, we could have home cooked meals 
again instead of eating hog farm meat at the fast food.

In article <7snfgf$9di$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 
dvisrael@earthlink.net says...
> Could be chalk brood. It seems to be worse in the spring and fall. I have
> really had a bout with it this year. I reckoned one hive to get rid of it
> and still had it.I too suspect poisoning in this hive. The hive has been
> reckoned again, so I'll keep an eye on it.
> 
> Don in NC
> 


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Ich verstehen es nicht. If you took 2 frames out of the hive, the 
room would be increased, not made smaller.



In article <7son3e$75c12@news.vtx.ch>, info@broennimann.com 
says...
> They also reduce the number of frames in the main hive body from 12 to 10,
> putting boards in instead of the outermost frames. This is to make the place
> smaller and less heat to be lost by the bees.
> 
> 


From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Sep 30 09:06:02 EDT 1999
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Take the lids of all the hives in the apiary and the robbing will abate.
Everybody will be guarding their own.


Tom



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Could be chalk brood. It seems to be worse in the spring and fall. I have
really had a bout with it this year. I reckoned one hive to get rid of it
and still had it.I too suspect poisoning in this hive. The hive has been
reckoned again, so I'll keep an eye on it.

Don in NC


donna helmick  wrote in message
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> On inspecting my bees today, I found a lot of dead brood (not stringy,
> stinky, or any of the other discriptions usually given for disease).
>
> The bees were in the process of opening the cells and removing the dead
> brood and when I turned frames on their sides to inspect them, brood
> pieces fell out of the cells.  I noticed varroa on some of them, enough
> to know I have a problem (which I have treated today with Apistan.)
>
> There were a few bees with deformed wings, but mostly the hive looked
> healthy and still very strong with a lot of eggs and larva present.
> They are busily bringing in pollen.  Their honey supply is down which I
> expected after the extremely dry summer we've had.  I intend to start
> feeding them ASAP in order to build up winter stores.
>
> I suspect pesticide poisoning, but why this late in the year?  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Donna
>





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In article , "R.O." 
writes:

>
>I've seen films of Africans in loin cloths harvesting honey from hives with
>just a smokey torch.  How can they with African Bees???
>
>BOB

    I saw Superman fly on a movie.   I saw Rock Hudson kissing Doris Day.
I am not certain I believe everything I see in movies or on TV.
    I wouldn't work our Hybridized Africans in a loin cloth here in Texas,
unless my privates were enclosed in a steel jock strap, and my rear was shot
full of novicane. 
     I have to greatly increase my protection, very bee tight, over what I have
done for the past 30 years.  The  AHB are pretty tough to work with, it is not
a lion cloth party for certain.
   Perhaps working in loin cloths could be a cheap substitue for Viagra, I dont
know, I am not going to try.

 


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Not long around here!  Perhaps a week when the weather is hot.

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> How long can one get away with storing supers prior to extracting?  Is
>it somewhat safe to assume that no wax moths will hatch and start
>chewing things up




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I would suspect that you have varroa. That would explain the deformed wings.
Check closer to see if you can see any varroa.  It could be that your bees
are displaying a natural  hygenic trait of being able to detect mites in the
cells and therefore uncapping and pulling out infected larvae.

You may even have some chalkbrood along with the mites. Do the larvae look
"mummified'?

--Busybee


donna helmick wrote in message
<3356-37EE5B75-35@newsd-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
On inspecting my bees today, I found a lot of dead brood (not stringy,
stinky, or any of the other discriptions usually given for disease).

The bees were in the process of opening the cells and removing the dead
brood and when I turned frames on their sides to inspect them, brood
pieces fell out of the cells.  I noticed varroa on some of them, enough
to know I have a problem (which I have treated today with Apistan.)

There were a few bees with deformed wings, but mostly the hive looked
healthy and still very strong with a lot of eggs and larva present.
They are busily bringing in pollen.  Their honey supply is down which I
expected after the extremely dry summer we've had.  I intend to start
feeding them ASAP in order to build up winter stores.

I suspect pesticide poisoning, but why this late in the year?  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Donna





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Hey Guys,

I've got a problem. I've been producing honey for about five years now
commercially. Now I'm trying to do pollen, but I haven't the first clue what to
do with it. Do you need to dry it out and how would you do that... and whats
the easiest way to sort out the pollen from any other garbage mixed in with it?
and who buys bulk pollen. Any help would be appreciated.

Robert Williamson
Southeast Texas


From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Sep 30 09:06:06 EDT 1999
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From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Billy.Y.Smart@nospam.boeing.com

>I am located in an area that has a profusion of redbud trees. I understand
>that
>
>these trees are nectar producing and popular with honeybees. Does anyone know
>what
>
>redbud honey tastes like?

    I've heard that it is very bitter. And yes, it is very highly favored by
honeybees.

    It's a moot point anyway; redbud blooms so early that its honey is used in
the spring buildup.


Pollinator@aol.com     Dave Green  Hemingway, SC  USA
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Peter Amschel who I trust is wearing his flame proof suit said this:

>make sure you don't let those 
>jews put in those sick hog farms again

They must not be Kosher Jews.

>If women would leave the workplace and go home, we could
> have home cooked meals again instead of eating hog farm
> meat at the fast food.

Yes, and pigs may fly.  You should know Peter we have the system and the
government we deserve, because of bone heads like you; no doubt you're a
member of one of those tedious sub cultures that gets out the vote.
  
Do you have a woman who could go home and cook, or is this just a
concept you have been invited to believe, at the place where the other
sub culturist meet?

Do you come from that area of the Carolinas that has kept Jesse Helmes
in office so long he should get the J. Edgar Hoover award for using the
system for his own divisory "leadership" at considerable cost to the
rest of us? 

Lastly, I may be wrong, but didn't I detect a whiff of the anti semite?
You should know along with your ilk, that racism and anti semitic
thought is a form of mental illness of which the only known cure has to
do with getting to experience what it's like to be on the receiving end
of that hatred.

Maybe you won't get chained to a pickup truck by jeeters and dragged to
death, or stuffed into a cattle car for that long ride to the family
camp, but then how can you really know when it comes to time and space?

I would like to think the Hindus have it right in one sense, if you
don't get it right in this life, you get to keep trying until you do. If
they're right, for you Peter, that hog farm may have a special
significance.


Charles Kroeger

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From kjmason1@yahoo.com Thu Sep 30 09:06:07 EDT 1999
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I live in southern califorina in Los Angeles county and am interested
having a few hives.  The killer bee has pretty much arrived and has
been problematic in taking over domestic hives, but I plan to keep my
bees at about 8000 feet.  I here killer bees can't survive cold
winters, and with snow on the ground at least 3 months out of the year
up here and frosts not uncommon into the early summer, I'm hoping
killer bees won't cope.

BUT, I'm only 10 miles or so from killer bee friendly altitudes.  Could
they make it up here  during a warm summer before being wiped out by
the snow?  Or is it unlikely they would travel that far in those months?

thanks


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Hi all,

I have hives in Quebec near the Ontario border.  A friend of mine has
recently heard that there is some kind of honey bee disease which has spread
North and reached Quebec this season.  I have heard nothing about it so far
and was wondering if anyone else had???  I have definitely not seen any
signs of illness/disease in any of my hives this season.


Just wondering,
Mich




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 Timothy C. Eisele  writes:

>One question:  How much would such a defensive structure cost to build?
>Is it as much as (or more than) the value of the bees and equipment that
>it is intended to save?  Maybe electric fences aren't perfect, but 
>it seems to have worked for me so far (and my neighbors claim to have
>seen a bear in the general neighborhood off and on all summer).
>
>I'm not saying that you shouldn't build such a structure if it gives
>you peace of mind, but it sounds to me like it would be expensive,
>inconvenient to get onto to manage your colonies, and only slightly
>more effective than the (much cheaper) electric fence.
>
The cost will depend on the size, materials, and if you do it yourself. Home
depot has a free deck design service which will give you a ball park figure.

Remember the chap asked for any recommendations.  

I'm not sure of your rationale for comparing the cost to cost of bees, hives
etc. 

My question is what would you do if the bear goes through your electric fence?
It does happen even if it is caused by not properly maintaining the fence. What
will be the eventual fate of the bear?

Al


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Greg writes:

>Take a handful of straws and squeeze them together.  Look at
>them from the end.  WOW, THE STRAWS KNOW AS MUCH MATH AS THE
>BEES! 
>
>Next you will tell us that they know to cluster in a sphere
>because 4/3 pi r^3 to 4 pi r ^2 is the maximun volume to
>surface ratio of 1/3 r that can be obtained.
>
>Or how about when they take off from foraging in a spiral of
>r = e^a0?  Are you going to claim they know about base e?
>
>When they hang in chains do you think they are
>contemplateing the hyperbolic functions?
>
>Geometry exists every where in nature.  Lets not try to
>understand string theory by asking the bees.
>
>Greg the beekeep
>
>

I think you have gone off on a tangent. All I was commenting on is the
remarkable hexagonal shape of the bee's comb.It has been finally proven by
mathematics to be the most efficient. Whether it is by devine guidence or
evolved as a matter of survival it all benefits the beekeeper. I believe it has
been commented on that bees consume 10 lbs of honey to make 1lb of wax. How
would you design your house/food storage area if you had to operate under those
constraints. 
Where did these formulas that could choke a horse and string theory  come from?
Al


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pete wrote:
  Robbing is always accompanied by fighting at the entrance.  If the
robbers kill all the beesin a nuc or very small colony, the robbers
still fight among themselves.

Thanks Pete.  I got this response from someone else so I am a little
confused...
 'Robbing normally looks like a bunch of bees zig zagging back
and forth in front of the hive trying to get in.  Normal flight in
almost straight in and out. '

If there will always be dead bees around then I'm fine.  No dead bees so
far and I've been out there watching quite a bit trying to figure out
what's happening. However, there are Lots of bees doing the zig zag
thing and I've observed that often, especially during hot honey flow
times.  There is always alot of pushing and shoving trying to get in
because my hive is a top bar hive (only one, building #2 now) and the
entrance is actually 7 small holes across the bottom and 2 alleyways at
the top corners.  They usually go out the 2 holes at the top and come in
the holes at the bottom.  I tried stopping up 4 of the holes at the
bottom but what I got was a blanket of bees covering the front, most of
them carrying pollen and looking exhausted waiting for their turn to get
in.  (please excuse the anthropomorphism but I really don't know how
else to describe it ;-)

Thanks to all of you who tried to help!  I was getting concerned there
that I may have done serious damage but I think the ladies are ok.  Just
a bit excited..or maybe that's me  .


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,
  nessler  wrote:
> 	How long can one get away with storing supers prior to
extracting?
***********************************************

Howdy Randy --

    Better put those other things aside and do your extracting.  You
have to assume that wax worms will hatch out !!!
             Pete
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Thank you Peter, exactly my point. Indiscriminate prophylactic use of
antibiotics is a very short term solution, with a very bad train wreck in
the future that we will be called upon to deal with.

New Zealand has almost eliminated it from their stock, without the use of
antibiotics. Arataki Honey in NZ had it bad and almost eliminated it over a
7 year period.

Destroying  ( burning)it is the only long term solution. When North America
burned hives AFB incidence was much lower than it is now since we have
depended on indiscriminate use of antibiotics. Now there are incidences of
antibiotic resistance AFB showing up in British Columbia, Canada and  South
America. Apparently it eats present antibiotics for breakfast.

I predict we will be burning again regardless of anyones wishes.

Chickens always seem to come home to roost. BTW I would love to be wrong on
this one.

hugh
Boschman Hughes Apiaries






Peter Edwards  wrote in
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> >Just wondering what you/we are going to use on antibiotic resistant
> >foulbrood?
> >
> >hugh
> >Boschman Hughes Apiaries
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Perhaps it is time to ask why the foulbrood is antibiotic resistant.
>
> In the UK we have had a policy of destroying all colonies with AFB for
many
> years and now have no real problem with it.
>
> Given the amount of antibiotic being (mis)used, it is no wonder that
> bacteria are becoming resistant.
>
>




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I'm sorry, but I do not know any Jews that own hog farms in NC. Although I
feel the hog, chicken, and turkey industry seems to be out of control, folks
must make a living, Up North, it is unregulated manufacturing polluting the
air we breath. Life is a trade off. What to do? More folks could raise
honeybees. Someone else could manufacture the medications creating
competition, thereby reducing the prices we pay. BTW, I forgot to mention
the tourist areas clogged with smog producing cars.
About women. If my wife didn't work, I couldn't afford my life style. Maybe
living in a shack, driving a 20 year old car wouldn't be so bad, but I'm
happy with on demand air condition and heat without chopping wood year
round. Did not say I disagree with you though. As for eating pig, we have
just about quit eating meat now. We eat lots of cooked, raw veggies, and
carrot juice. We are losing weight and I had to pass up my diabetes medicine
this morning because my sugar is falling to normal levels.

Don in flooded NC


Peter Amschel  wrote in message
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> Don: When North Carolina dries out, make sure you don't let those
> jews put in those sick hog farms again. If women would leave
> the workplace and go home, we could have home cooked meals
> again instead of eating hog farm meat at the fast food.
>
> In article <7snfgf$9di$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> dvisrael@earthlink.net says...
> > Could be chalk brood. It seems to be worse in the spring and fall. I
have
> > really had a bout with it this year. I reckoned one hive to get rid of
it
> > and still had it.I too suspect poisoning in this hive. The hive has been
> > reckoned again, so I'll keep an eye on it.
> >
> > Don in NC
> >





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 kjmason1 ponders:

>I here killer bees can't survive cold winters

Africanized honey bees are tropical bees, it would seem and don't care
for the harsh zones; however, it used to be thought  these bees couldn't
survive in an area that had a winter because it was also thought they
didn't have the ability to cluster. (probably that was scientific
wishful thinking)

By way of an experiment (a few years ago) several hives of these bees
were taken up into the Andes to 14,000 ft. (4267 m.) where they did
cluster and they did survive.  Of course, they would not have gone
there, as a swarm, on their own.

>Could they make it up here during a warm summer

Sure, they could, but maybe they wouldn't care to; this seems to be the
case in Texas; but, if they did come, and they survived at 14,000 ft,
they can probably survive at 8.


Charles Kroeger


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I have a super in my yard, with a few frames in it that were wet after
extracting etc.  I went to see if it was cleaned out yet, looked down into
it and there were still maybe 4 or 5 bees on the combs.  So I turn to walk
away, and something buzzes around my head and into my ear.  I thought it
was a fly so I swatted at it, look down at my shoulder and see a bee there.
 So I swatted again and it's bye-bye bee.

I'n trying to figure out: was I just attacked (and if so why), or was I
just mistaken for a flower?  Anybody else have bees go for their ears?
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Two outer frames are removed and replaced by boards. The space behind the
boards is filled with paper or polystyrene. the remaining room is smaller.

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Peter Amschel  a écrit dans le message :
MPG.12599b1c97534930989825@news.pe.net...
> Ich verstehen es nicht. If you took 2 frames out of the hive, the
> room would be increased, not made smaller.
>
>
>
> In article <7son3e$75c12@news.vtx.ch>, info@broennimann.com
> says...
> > They also reduce the number of frames in the main hive body from 12 to
10,
> > putting boards in instead of the outermost frames. This is to make the
place
> > smaller and less heat to be lost by the bees.
> >
> >




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>Robbing normally looks like a bunch of bees zig zagging back
> and forth in front of the hive trying to get in.  Normal flight in
> almost straight in and out. '
***************************************************
Howdy again --

Zig zagging in front of the hive is probably an orientation flight by
the young bees getting ready for field duty.  They usually come out to
do this around middle of the day, with no fighting.  I usually does not
last over 15 minutes.  They have spent about 2 weeks in the hive doing
housework, so when they get ready to fly to the fields, they have to
program their hive and its surroundings in their little computer brain.

          Pete
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From murray@albany.net Thu Sep 30 09:06:16 EDT 1999
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Hello Fellow Keepers of Bees,

A quick question from a newbie.....I just harvested my first crop of
honey. Since this was my first year and it's my only hive, I feel I did
pretty well. I got 33 pounds from a single medium super.

My question is: My second medium super was not fully capped, of the 10
frames, better than 1/2 was still uncapped. Is it best to feed back this
honey to the bees or extract it and use it as quickly as possible?

For those who have an answer, please respond directly.

Thanks!!

Jim Murray
murray@albany.net



From honeybs@radix.net Thu Sep 30 09:06:17 EDT 1999
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jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote:

>Greg writes:

>>Take a handful of straws and squeeze them together.  Look at
>>them from the end.  WOW, THE STRAWS KNOW AS MUCH MATH AS THE
>>BEES! 
>>
>>Next you will tell us that they know to cluster in a sphere
>>because 4/3 pi r^3 to 4 pi r ^2 is the maximun volume to
>>surface ratio of 1/3 r that can be obtained.
>>
>>Or how about when they take off from foraging in a spiral of
>>r = e^a0?  Are you going to claim they know about base e?
>>
>>When they hang in chains do you think they are
>>contemplateing the hyperbolic functions?
>>
>>Geometry exists every where in nature.  Lets not try to
>>understand string theory by asking the bees.
>>
>>Greg the beekeep
>>
>>

>I think you have gone off on a tangent. All I was commenting on is the
>remarkable hexagonal shape of the bee's comb.It has been finally proven by
>mathematics to be the most efficient. Whether it is by devine guidence or
>evolved as a matter of survival it all benefits the beekeeper. I believe it has
>been commented on that bees consume 10 lbs of honey to make 1lb of wax. How
>would you design your house/food storage area if you had to operate under those
>constraints. 
>Where did these formulas that could choke a horse and string theory  come from?
>Al

I'm just saying that it is totally ridiculous to think that
the bees intelligently designed honeycomb.  There is no way
in hell that they have any inkling about mathamatics.

It would benefit the beekeeper far more if the bees would
put their honey in one pound queenlines!  Even better we
should get them to sell it to and fill the hives with
greenbacks.  The supers would be soooooo much lighter!

Perhaps you would like to explain how a pineapple changes
>from  six sided sections  to five sided ones while keeping
the same volume of pulp arond each seed?  

Greg the beekeep



       //          Bee Just & Just Bee!        
  =8{ })))-      Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA    
       \\          www.radix.net\~honeybs

              



From vidito@ivnet.com Thu Sep 30 09:06:17 EDT 1999
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Jim's not the only newbie in the group.

I need to know too!!  Only put one super on my one-and-only new hive. and
need to know if I can use ALL the honey in it (it's completely full), or
just use a couple of frames and leave the rest for the bees.

I'll take the hive apart tomorrow and see how much honey is in the bodies.
Questions about this too.

Annie
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  texasdrone@cs.com (TexasDrone) wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I've got a problem. I've been producing honey for about five years now
> commercially. Now I'm trying to do pollen, but I haven't the first
clue what to do with it. Do you need to dry it out and how would you do
>that... and
>whats the easiest way to sort out the pollen from any other garbage
>mixed in with it? and who buys bulk pollen. Any help would be
>appreciated.
>
> Robert Williamson
> Southeast Texas
*****************************************************
Howdy Robert --

    About 15 years ago I collected and sold quite a bit of pollen.
The only folks I know of who buy pollen today is:

C.C. Pollen Co
3627 E. Indian River School Rd.
Phoeniz, AZ  85018
1-800-875-0096

I dried mine in a home-made fruit dehydrator. Don't try to pick out
trash until after it is thoroughly dry.  It must be collected and dried
almost every day, because it molds quickly.

           Pete

So much to learn - So little time !
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From: Jim Murray murray@albany.net 

>My second medium super was not fully capped, of the 10
>frames, better than 1/2 was still uncapped. Is it best to feed back this
>honey to the bees or extract it and use it as quickly as possible?

   It's pretty common for them to not cap the last honey put away. An easy test
to see if it is really wet honey is to shake the frame. If it shakes out, it's
still too wet to extract. If it says firmly in the cells, go ahead and extract
it, it is really ripe, even if not capped.

    You may also get condensation on cold fall mornings, so pull it off on a
warm afternoon.


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Bob Pursley wrote in message
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>In article , "R.O." 
>writes:
>
.
>   Perhaps working in loin cloths could be a cheap substitue for Viagra, I
dont
>know, I am not going to try.
>
Are you saying that all your bees are Africanized?  How is their honey
production?  I hear they swarm twice as much as the Europeans.

RO




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Depending on what I am doing with the bees sometimes I wear gloves and
sometimes I don't.  I would not presume to tell you which way to go.  I have
noted that my hands have become largely desensitised to bee sting and venom
and I mainly wear gauntlet type gloves to keep cranky/aggressive bees from
stinging my wrists and forearms (where it hurts like hell).
When I am using gloves I take a supply of clean water with me to wash the
pheromones from the gloves, you can do the same with your hands or arms.  If
you are not wearing gloves a dab of honey on the sting will neutralise the
pheromone.
To reduce the number of stings don't wear a watch or rings or any jewellery,
I think the sweaty smell drives the bees mad

--
Barry Metz
carman1  wrote in message
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> Greetings
>
> We've had hives for a couple of seasons and i am not keen to go into the
> hives  without gloves on.
> I notice many beekeepers prefer not to use gloves and one beekeeper told
me
> that there is arthritis in his family and he doesn't mind being stung...
it
> is his insurance against arthritis.
> Another told me that wearing gloves can encourage stinging because the
> beekeeper with gloves on is unaware that stinging has begun and other bees
> are encouraged to sting once the sting pheromone is released when stinging
> begins.
>
> Are there any other advantages to not wearing gloves?
> I am yet to be convinced that I should risk not wearing my gloves and am
> keen for ideas and suggestions
>
> many thanks
> carman
> (she not he)
>
>
>
>
>




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From: "carman1" tpl@wave.co.nz

>Are there any other advantages to not wearing gloves?
>I am yet to be convinced that I should risk not wearing my gloves and am
>keen for ideas and suggestions 
>

    Gloves make you more clumsy. You are more apt to be rough with the bees. I
hate to work with another beekeeper who is wearing gloves, because they often
will get the bees stirred up -- and I get stung.  When you work barehanded, you
learn the gentle touch.

    Gloves can cause more stinging, as they hold the odor;  it is easy to wash
your hands.

    Gloves can carry disease, again you can wash your hands quickly after
handling any diseased frames; not so easy to wash gloves.

    Most beginners start with gloves, but I always encourage them to get weaned
as quickly as possible.

    If the bees are bad, on a particular day, then a hobby beekeeper has the
luxury of waiting for a better time.  A commercial beekeeper, who must move
bees to a pollination crop, or such, does not have this advantage. When bees
are bad we sometimes wear sleevies, which are elastic wrist bands to keep bees
>from  going up our sleeves. But we don't wear gloves.


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Greetings Spike
We use Entrance reducers, not because of mice 
we use them in the colder seasons so less cold air enters the hive and it
is easier for the brood to remain warm in the colder months
we get some real bad winds over here (NZ) on occassion and the reductions
help withthe draft.
We also find there are a lot of other insects that  are also keen to enter
the hives... ie a (neglected) hive we've just started looking after on
behalf of a friend had an infestation of slaters in the bottom box so we
cleaned the pests out and put the entrance reduction in place so it is
easier for the guard bees to keep the slaters out should they try to
re-enter
As yet though we haven't found mice to be a problem

peace
carman 


Spike Psarris  wrote in article
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> Many books say that late September is the time to put entrance reducers
on.
>  I've been wondering:
> 
> 1) Anybody here that doesn't use entrance reducers?  There were posts on
> BEE-L from somebody who hasn't "in 35 years of beekeeping" and has never
> seen a mouse in his hives.  He uses the short-side of the bottom board
and
> believes that's enough.
> 
> 2) My hives are on cinder blocks.  Will this in itself reduce mouse
> interest, or doesn't it matter?
> 
> 3) Is it better to put them on at night or in the morning when it's
colder?
>  I was out today and there's still a small flow going.  Even when smoked
> the entrance filled right up with bees again immediately.  Plus, I'd have
> to stand in the middle of a cloud of bees while putting them on.  If I
wait
> until it's colder, will it be easier to put the reducers on?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions
> 
> -- 
> remove spamfree to reply
> 


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Greetings

We've had hives for a couple of seasons and i am not keen to go into the
hives  without gloves on.
I notice many beekeepers prefer not to use gloves and one beekeeper told me
that there is arthritis in his family and he doesn't mind being stung... it
is his insurance against arthritis.
Another told me that wearing gloves can encourage stinging because the
beekeeper with gloves on is unaware that stinging has begun and other bees
are encouraged to sting once the sting pheromone is released when stinging
begins.

Are there any other advantages to not wearing gloves?
I am yet to be convinced that I should risk not wearing my gloves and am
keen for ideas and suggestions 

many thanks
carman 
(she not he)
 






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I've heard that the limiting factor for Africanized bees in colder regions
is the smaller amount of honey the store for the winter.  This would suggest
that the main factor would be the length of winter conditions.




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I've heard that Africanized bees store less honey for the winter because of
their greater tendency to abscond and swarm.  Could this be  the limiting
factor?  If so, they would be limited by the combination of coldness and
length of winter.



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Hi there Carman,

I work as a Paramedic, and have fown a brand of non-latex glove that is just
right for beekeeping.  They have no powder, so they do not leave a mess on your
hands.  They are made under the brand name  N-Dex.  They are mostly puncture
proof and hold up very well.  Although when you pinch a bee, the glove wont
stop the stinger, but by pulling on the glove, it's easy to remove the
stinger.  I have the link to a supplier here some were, if you are interested,
let me know, I will find it for you.

Allen Banks

carman1 wrote:

> Greetings
>
> We've had hives for a couple of seasons and i am not keen to go into the
> hives  without gloves on.
> I notice many beekeepers prefer not to use gloves and one beekeeper told me
> that there is arthritis in his family and he doesn't mind being stung... it
> is his insurance against arthritis.
> Another told me that wearing gloves can encourage stinging because the
> beekeeper with gloves on is unaware that stinging has begun and other bees
> are encouraged to sting once the sting pheromone is released when stinging
> begins.
>
> Are there any other advantages to not wearing gloves?
> I am yet to be convinced that I should risk not wearing my gloves and am
> keen for ideas and suggestions
>
> many thanks
> carman
> (she not he)
>



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This month's Bee Culture has an ad for plastic hives and frames from a
company called Dabur (UK) Ltd. The prices look good, I've wanted to
experiment with the plastic frames and foundation, and I hate painting
woodenware. Has anybody had any dealings with this company? Is the hive
thick enough to provide insulation? Does the UV in sunlight just make it
brittle? Any experience with this company, or with plastic hive bodies in
general would be appreciated. I use plastic bottom boards and outter covers
with good results (bottom boards are thinner than I'd like, but are passable
with a good stand).

Thanks In Advance

Robert





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Does anyone sell plastic hives in the USA?





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Oh yes, and almost forgot to add my 2 cents.

The big gloves keep you from getting stung because of their thickness, but i
found with bare hand this summer, especially if your hands are sweaty, the bees
nail you right away.  And the must smell that builds up in the big gloves can
get pretty rank after a while.  With the thin gloves from N-Dex, if they get to
bad, throw them away and get a new pair.  Plus, because the bees don't
recognise the rubber, they do not sting you.

Allen B

carman1 wrote:

> Greetings
>
> We've had hives for a couple of seasons and i am not keen to go into the
> hives  without gloves on.
> I notice many beekeepers prefer not to use gloves and one beekeeper told me
> that there is arthritis in his family and he doesn't mind being stung... it
> is his insurance against arthritis.
> Another told me that wearing gloves can encourage stinging because the
> beekeeper with gloves on is unaware that stinging has begun and other bees
> are encouraged to sting once the sting pheromone is released when stinging
> begins.
>
> Are there any other advantages to not wearing gloves?
> I am yet to be convinced that I should risk not wearing my gloves and am
> keen for ideas and suggestions
>
> many thanks
> carman
> (she not he)
>



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I sent them a message and they are working on getting a distributor in the
US.  Currently there are none.

Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply
 wrote in message
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> This month's Bee Culture has an ad for plastic hives and frames from a
> company called Dabur (UK) Ltd. The prices look good, I've wanted to
> experiment with the plastic frames and foundation, and I hate painting
> woodenware. Has anybody had any dealings with this company? Is the hive
> thick enough to provide insulation? Does the UV in sunlight just make it
> brittle? Any experience with this company, or with plastic hive bodies in
> general would be appreciated. I use plastic bottom boards and outter
covers
> with good results (bottom boards are thinner than I'd like, but are
passable
> with a good stand).
>
> Thanks In Advance
>
> Robert
>
>
>




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Couldn't Make it to Apimondia?  I've posted pics from my visit to
Apimondia '99 in
Vancouver.  Hope you like them.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road

Allen B






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Thanks for the good advice and information Allen, Dave, Barry
I was actually thinking of using some sort of lighter protection
(the leather gloves are so cumbersome) 
I have some regular cloth women's dress gloves which are soft and I was
thinking of using them because they allow the hands to move more
sensitively and if stung then the sting would pull out with the removal of
the glove,  would this be a sensible start to overcoming my mental block?  

the N-Dex glove seems like a very good solution,  I'll check with our
chemists shops here and see what they have in the way of surgical gloves or
if the link is easy to find and not too much trouble then I might also look
into that  
again many thanks 
carman

honey.road@sympatico.ca wrote in article <37F229B6.F56B9FE@sympatico.ca>...
> Oh yes, and almost forgot to add my 2 cents.
> 
> The big gloves keep you from getting stung because of their thickness,
but i
> found with bare hand this summer, especially if your hands are sweaty,
the bees
> nail you right away.  And the must smell that builds up in the big gloves
can
> get pretty rank after a while.  With the thin gloves from N-Dex, if they
get to
> bad, throw them away and get a new pair.  Plus, because the bees don't
> recognise the rubber, they do not sting you.
> 
> Allen B
> 



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Greetings Spike
I've noticed that when bees attack they do seem to go for the head and
upper body,  sometimes when they are really agitated they dive bomb my bee
veil
Once my husband approached a hive i was working in .. he had no suit on and
a bee landed on him ... then stung him on the eye lid .. probably because
he blinked and trapped the bee in the crease of the lid
we look back and laugh it looked like he'd been decked .. eye swelled up a
treat
some times when the weather is rough the bees seem a little more wild but
generally we are able to move around the hives without being attacked or
stung .. 
i don't know whether i should say this but it is doubtful the bee thought
your ear was a flower .. except maybe if you have cauliflower ears 

(sorry I couldn't resist... please excuse my odd sense of humour)

many blessings
carman

Spike Psarris  wrote in article
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> I have a super in my yard, with a few frames in it that were wet after
> extracting etc.  I went to see if it was cleaned out yet, looked down
into
> it and there were still maybe 4 or 5 bees on the combs.  So I turn to
walk
> away, and something buzzes around my head and into my ear.  I thought it
> was a fly so I swatted at it, look down at my shoulder and see a bee
there.
>  So I swatted again and it's bye-bye bee.
> 
> I'n trying to figure out: was I just attacked (and if so why), or was I
> just mistaken for a flower?  Anybody else have bees go for their ears?
> -- 
> remove spamfree to reply
> 


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Wana wrote:
> I have some regular cloth women's dress gloves which are soft and I was
> thinking of using them because they allow the hands to move more
> sensitively and if stung then the sting would pull out with the removal of
> the glove,  would this be a sensible start to overcoming my mental block?

I'm not familiar with those, but as a data point, my dad has been using
gray suede garden gloves lately while working his bees, and said his
bees were unusually "mean". I worked with him yesterday and saw it -
they attacked those gloves ferociously, and he got a lot of stings right
through the gloves. I had my long-sleeved ventilated leather gloves
(yes, I'm a first-year beekeeper ;-) and had no trouble with my hands.

So, moral of the story is, some materials may remind bees of their
natural predators, and prompt them to sting. So if you try new material,
be ready to beat a hasty exit if it appears to agitate them.

-Steve

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From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Oct  1 08:23:35 EDT 1999
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You can spin the frames gently to remove uncapped honey and then uncap them to
remove the rest.
For a first time crop it is worth the effort to keep them seperate.


Tom



There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com


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Wana wrote:

> I have some regular cloth women's dress gloves which are soft and I was
> thinking of using them because they allow the hands to move more
> sensitively and if stung then the sting would pull out with the removal of
> the glove,  would this be a sensible start to overcoming my mental block?
>
Hi Wana,
I'm a first year beekeeper and I use a pair of white cotton ladies
gloves.  They won't stop a sting but I don't get jumpy if a bee crawls
over my hand and I find that alone makes working with the bees more
enjoyable for me.  They are also quite close fitting, comfortable and
can go in the wash if they do get stung through.  So far that's only
happened once and as I am getting less nervous I usually start out
without them and slip them on only when I start to get jittery.  It's
more for psychological reassurance than anything.  Yes, those big fat
leather gloves keep away the stings but I find them so clumsy to work
with that I end up clanking bars and sending the ladies into a tizzy. 
Bad enough that I start out like that, don't want the girls getting
riled  ;-)  Knowing that I'm not sting proof helps me to take more care
and consequently less stinging happens...I 
Shari


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Yes they are observation hives!
Check out the pictures on our website.
http://www.draperbee.com/catalog/page7.htm

Royal W. Draper
draperb@ptd.net
www.draperbee.com



busybee wrote in message <7svhdi$1kcu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>...
>Great homepage, Al!  Thanks...I enjoyed reading it this a.m. and will go
>back when I have more time :-)
>
>Would have loved to go to Apimondia 'cept we're up to our eyeballs in
>extracting this time of year. Regarding the photo of Drapers exhibit:  are
>those observation hives?
>
>--Busybee
>
>honey.road@sympatico.ca wrote in message
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>>Couldn't Make it to Apimondia?  I've posted pics from my visit to
>>Apimondia '99 in
>>Vancouver.  Hope you like them.
>>
>>http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road
>>
>>Allen B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




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Great homepage, Al!  Thanks...I enjoyed reading it this a.m. and will go
back when I have more time :-)

Would have loved to go to Apimondia 'cept we're up to our eyeballs in
extracting this time of year. Regarding the photo of Drapers exhibit:  are
those observation hives?

--Busybee

honey.road@sympatico.ca wrote in message <37F243D0.E935C767@sympatico.ca>...
>Couldn't Make it to Apimondia?  I've posted pics from my visit to
>Apimondia '99 in
>Vancouver.  Hope you like them.
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road
>
>Allen B
>
>
>
>




From jesse.hunter@bms.com Fri Oct  1 08:23:39 EDT 1999
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One thing to keep in mind with the cloth or suede type gloves is the bees
ability to leave a stinger in them.  Even though they may not be able to
penetrate the glove, if they leave a stinger, then others will soon follow.  I
prefer the smother surfaced type gloves for that reason.

Wana wrote:

> I have some regular cloth women's dress gloves which are soft and I was
> thinking of using them because they allow the hands to move more
> sensitively and if stung then the sting would pull out with the removal of
> the glove,  would this be a sensible start to overcoming my mental block?
>
> >



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I just extracted for the first time last night. For all who have
posted advise on removing caps and ultimately getting the honey
into pails, Thank you!  That part of the process, though
extremely messy, went very well.  My question now is what to do
with the supers, extracted frames and comb.  Does this comb get
given back to the hives next year?  or do I melt it down?  I had
read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the
hives above the top board and below the top.  Is this advisable.
I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY.  I
appreciate any insights.





From shuston@riverace.com Fri Oct  1 08:23:41 EDT 1999
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Hi Jesse,

Jesse Hunter wrote:
> 
> I just extracted for the first time last night. For all who have
> posted advise on removing caps and ultimately getting the honey
> into pails, Thank you!  That part of the process, though
> extremely messy, went very well.

Great! Congratulations!

>  My question now is what to do
> with the supers, extracted frames and comb.  Does this comb get
> given back to the hives next year?  or do I melt it down?  I had
> read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the
> hives above the top board and below the top.  Is this advisable.
> I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY.  I
> appreciate any insights.

I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the
supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a
day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a
few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees
did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside
the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean.

Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing.

-Steve

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From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Oct  1 08:23:41 EDT 1999
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>
>I'm just saying that it is totally ridiculous to think that
>the bees intelligently designed honeycomb.  There is no way
>in hell that they have any inkling about mathamatics.
>

When you catch a baseball your brain instintively does the calculus needed to
intercept the ball.
Describing that mathematically on paper is beyond most of us.


Tom



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The ball has spin interacts with the air and it's turbulance and has a
different initial accelleration with each throw.  Might just be a little more
to it than one thinks.


Tom



There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com


From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Oct  1 08:23:43 EDT 1999
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 Tom  writes:

>When you catch a baseball your brain instintively does the calculus needed to
>intercept the ball.
>Describing that mathematically on paper is beyond most of us.
>
>
>Tom
>
>
>

Are you sure, high school physics (newtonian mechanics) would probably all that
you would need. It doesn't take a Werner Von Braun to figure that one out. I
suspect although it took a first rate mathematician to prove the 4th century
honeycomb conjecture. This commentary gives me a greater appreciation for bees.
I think, Darwin commented that the production of honeycomb was one of the
greatest known instincts.

Al


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Could be they are working a different species of bee - perhaps Apis Dorsata
instead of Apis mellifera scutellata (AHB). Was it a single large comb in
the open? If so they get a few stings but nothing like what they would get
>from  a real Africanized Honey Bee colony

>In article , "R.O." 
>writes:
>
>I've seen films of Africans in loin cloths harvesting honey from hives with
>just a smokey torch.  How can they with African Bees???
>
>BOB





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UK : Shock surprise!
UK Government finds that Bees carry GM-comtaminated pollen < 3 miles!

           
The UK Government says it will review the distances it
allows between genetically-modified (GM) and other
crops after tests showed GM pollen could travel as far as
4.5 kilometres (2.7 miles). 

The current isolation barriers mean GM crops must be more than 50
metres from conventional crops and 200 metres from organic fields. 

But a monitoring exercise set up by the pressure group Friends of the
Earth and the BBC's Newsnight programme found pollen travelled up to
20 times those distances. 

Tests around a GM trial site at Watlington in Oxfordshire showed
that airborne pollen had carried distances of up to 475 metres. 

Pollen carried by bees had reached beehives at distances between 500
metres and 4.5 kilometres from the site. 

The Environment Minister, Michael Meacher, told the BBC: "I accept we
need to look at it again. They may need to be larger than they are at
the present time.  We need to look at this evidence which has been 
presented and make a decision."

Although it has been known for a long time that pollen
can travel many tens of kilometres, this is the first study
looking specifically at the movement of GM pollen. It will
be useful in assessing the impact of the farm-scale trials
now underway in the UK. The work was carried out
during June and July by the national Pollen Research
Unit and a bee specialist. 

With pollen from oilseed rape capable of surviving for up to
three days, there is concern that it could fertilise compatible
species. 

"The commercialisation of these crops should not take  place until
 we have enough information to make decisions about whether they
 will have an effect on biodiversity and in our countryside," said
 Brian Johnson of English Nature.
The study is the first to find GM pollen in beehives.
Honey packers do their own tests for it, but none has yet been
 discovered. 

"Most of the honey comes from commercial beekeepers and they're 
already well used to moving their hives around to follow the various
 crops, and they will avoid GM sites," said Laurie Keys of
the Honey Association, 

"Of course, if it gets more widespread and extends beyond more than
 just a few trial sites, then it would be more of a concern." 

Friends of the Earth is calling for the government to abandon the
 whole GM trials programme. 
----------
Godfrey Bartlett
Essex UK.


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."
>
> Although it has been known for a long time that pollen
> can travel many tens of kilometres, this is the first study
> looking specifically at the movement of GM pollen.

Why should GM pollen travel different distances than non GM
pollen?
>
> With pollen from oilseed rape capable of surviving for up to
> three days, there is concern that it could fertilise compatible
> species.

Haven't we been saying this ad nauseam?
>

> The study is the first to find GM pollen in beehives.
> Honey packers do their own tests for it, but none has yet been
>  discovered.

Honey packers mainly pack imported honey.
>
> "Most of the honey comes from commercial beekeepers and they're
> already well used to moving their hives around to follow the
various
>  crops, and they will avoid GM sites," said Laurie Keys of
> the Honey Association,

What about beekeepers like me? My hives are within flying range
of a GM trial site and I can't avoid it. I'm not alone.
>
> Friends of the Earth is calling for the government to abandon
the
>  whole GM trials programme.

We should give them our full support.

Thank you for your excellent, informative posting, Godfrey
Bartlett

Mary Fisher
Yorkshire UK




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Greetings 
I received a query re what is a slater? in case any are wondering
explanation as follows:-
A slater is a small insect about the 1/2 the size of a bee and the only way
i can think of to describe it ... it looks like it has a sheild on its back
 very similar to an armidillo so if you imagine an armadillo shrunk about
1000 times that would be similar to a slater.  They are small and dark grey
in colour 
i don't know whether you have them in your part of the world maybe they
have a different name in other places

many blessings
carman


carman1  wrote in article
<01bf0a47$dda81840$76c060cb@leo>...
> Greetings Spike
> We use Entrance reducers, not because of mice 
> we use them in the colder seasons so less cold air enters the hive and it
> is easier for the brood to remain warm in the colder months
> we get some real bad winds over here (NZ) on occassion and the reductions
> help withthe draft.
> We also find there are a lot of other insects that  are also keen to
enter
> the hives... ie a (neglected) hive we've just started looking after on
> behalf of a friend had an infestation of slaters in the bottom box so we
> cleaned the pests out and put the entrance reduction in place so it is
> easier for the guard bees to keep the slaters out should they try to
> re-enter
> As yet though we haven't found mice to be a problem
> 
> peace
> carman 
> 
> 



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beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote:

>>
>>I'm just saying that it is totally ridiculous to think that
>>the bees intelligently designed honeycomb.  There is no way
>>in hell that they have any inkling about mathamatics.
>>

>When you catch a baseball your brain instintively does the calculus needed to
>intercept the ball.
>Describing that mathematically on paper is beyond most of us.


>Tom

But even major leage ball players misjudge fly balls!

Bees building comb is programed in their DNA.

Here we go again!

Greg the beekeep




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 wrote in message
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> Couldn't Make it to Apimondia?  I've posted pics from my visit
to
> Apimondia '99 in
> Vancouver.  Hope you like them.
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road
>
> Allen B

The pics were fine although not exhaustive. Still, the nearest
I'll get to Apimondia, thanks.

But where were all the people? It looked empty.

Mary




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The genie is already out of the bottle.  The question is - was that the
plan?  Why does the labour party have shares in Monsanto?

------------------------------------

Godfrey Bartlett wrote in message
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>UK : Shock surprise!
>UK Government finds that Bees carry GM-comtaminated pollen < 3 miles!
>





From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Oct  1 08:23:49 EDT 1999
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>I'm just saying that it is totally ridiculous to think that
>the bees intelligently designed honeycomb.  There is no way
>in hell that they have any inkling about mathamatics.

what's in a hundred million years of development, that we can do in two
million?

C.K.


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This is the standard advice, i.e. board with feed hole over the brood - then
wet supers - then roof.

But have you noticed that when you next look at the hive there are often
many dead bees on the board?

Why?  Well I think that it gets very hot in that enclosed space and it is
certainly very sticky!  Bees are drawn up by the wet combs and then die in
the heat or get covered in honey.

I now put wet supers back on the hives in their normal place, i.e. over the
brood and under the crown board (inner cover) until they are cleaned up; I
reason that any bees that get a bit sticky and fall down will end up in the
brood nest where other bees will help to clean them - and they will not cook
in that enclosed space.  I then put the supers over the crown board on the
next visit and leave them there until the first frosts.  They can then be
removed  and put into store with no fear of wax moth damage.

I think that we covered the subject of uncapped honey comprehensively back
in July.

Steve Huston wrote in message <37F36E72.2008A202@riverace.com>...
>Hi Jesse,
>

>I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the
>supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a
>day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well>-Steve
>
>--
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 greg  writes:

>Bees building comb is programed in their DNA.
>
>Here we go again!
>

If it is programmed in their dna as you say they sure got the right answer. The
honey comb conjecture and it's proof says their comb is of the very best
design.Would it be programmed once or reprogrammed over time to get this
answer. 
I read that bees are such demanding geometers that they won't accept foundation
unless it conforms to their geomertric standard. The book  referred to bees as
geometers(like mathematicians).
 Al


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Greetings both
i was speaking with a professional beekeeper who told me he always puts the
spun frames back in the top box.. rather than putting fresh frames in
there... he recommended this saying that the spun frames seem to encourage
the bees to get busy and fill them again .. he's a well respected man in
the profession so i assumed his information is acurate.
Has anyone else heard of this?

blessings
carman

Steve Huston  wrote in article
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> Hi Jesse,
snip 
> 
> >  My question now is what to do
> > with the supers, extracted frames and comb.  Does this comb get
> > given back to the hives next year?  or do I melt it down?  I had
> > read somewhere of leaving the empty supers with frames on the
> > hives above the top board and below the top.  Is this advisable.
> > I live in a fairly harsh winter climate, Syracuse, NY.  I
> > appreciate any insights.
> 
> I put mine back on - put the inner cover over the brood boxes, put the
> supers over the inner cover, put the outer cover over the supers. In a
> day or two the bees should have cleaned them out pretty well. I had a
> few frames with unextracted, unripened honey still in them, and the bees
> did not clean them - they started capping them, so I put those outside
> the hive for a couple of hours and then they were clean.
> 
> Don't leave them all outside the hive - it will encourage robbing.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> -- 
> Steve Huston                              Riverace Corporation
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>