Re: EIMI and Time (for the second year)

Apokrisis1@aol.com
Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:55:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-07-11 06:14:11 EDT, you write:

<< (1) John tends to use ARXH to refer
to pre-temporal existence (cmp., the Johnannine references in the
section of BAGD with John 1:1 to the other uses; eg., John 8:44),
(2) the contrast between EIMI and GINOMAI in vv 1-14, and (3)
the picture painted of Jesus and the Father PROS one another evidently
pre-time and outside of our Time/Space/History. >>

How do you derive a pre-temporal sense from ARKH in John 8:44?

I commented on the contrast of verbs forms in my previous post.

How do you gather that the relationship between the Father and the Son is
"evidently pre-time"?

Just wondering.

Greg Stafford
University of Wisconsin