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b-greek-digest V1 #567
b-greek-digest Sunday, 5 February 1995 Volume 01 : Number 567
In this issue:
Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
Re: epexegetical KAI
Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
Re: epexegetical KAI
Re: Locating Thesaurus Linguae Graecae CD-ROM #D
Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
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From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 09:29:04 -36000
Subject: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
I am working with CD-ROM #D from TLG which contains Greek Literature.
The problem I am having is that the CD came only with data and no
programs for accessing that data. I'm wondering if anyone on the
list knows what programs would be good for utilizing this CD.
I have a fax from the company that issues the disk which cites several
programs that would be useful. These are: TLG Workplace 3.0,
CCAT, CHIRON, V&F, MUSAIOS, SEARCHER, LEXIS, TLG Engine 2.0.2,
PANDORA, and SNS-GREEK & LATIN 3.0. I'm going to ftp a copy of
CHIRON from oakland and see how I like it, but TLG Workplace looks
better from the description.
I'd like to be able to do word searches and concordance studies
with the software. This looks like a great disk, but I need to be
able to access it!
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/ Travis Bauer / Life is like an analogy. . . /
/ Jamestown College / /
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From: Dvdmoore@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:23:53 -0500
Subject: Re: epexegetical KAI
>I have a translator friend who asked me what I could find about the
>epexegetical use of KAI. Does anyone have any bibliographic suggestions?
>
>He is specifically interested in Acts 13:50:
>OI DE IOUDAIOI PARWTRUNAN TAS SEBOMENAS GUNAIKAS TAS EUSCHMONAS >KAI TOUS
>PRWTOUS THS POLEWJ KAI EPHGEIRAN DIWGMON EPI TON PAULON KAI >BARNABAN, KAI
>EXEBALON AUTOUS APO TWN ORIWN AUTWN.
>First of all, can "the devout women of high standing and the leading men
>of the city" (RSV) be considered the subject of EPHGEIRAN, or must it be
>"the Jews" as the RSV has it? If it can be the former, then can they also
>be the subject of EXEBALON, and the accompanying KAI understood
>epexegetically so that their casting out of Paul and Barnabas is an
>elucidation of their stirring up persecution?
>Perhaps you want to sort these issues out differently. What my friend
>really wants is bibliography on epexegetical use of KAI, and help on
>whether the KAI preceding EXEBALON can be legitimately read that way.
My vote goes to non-epexegetical in this case, since KAI ECEBALON...
etc. provides additional information and the action this clause expresses
might also have been performed without the persecution expressed in the
previous clause.
David L. Moore
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From: David Evans <davevans@onramp.net>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 10:47:06 -0600
Subject: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
>Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 09:29:04 -36000
>From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
>Subject: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
>To: Greek Discscussion Posting <B-GREEK@virginia.edu>
>
>
> I am working with CD-ROM #D from TLG which contains Greek Literature.
- -----------------OMISSIONS-------------------
> I have a fax from the company that issues the disk which cites several
> programs that would be useful. These are: TLG Workplace 3.0,
> CCAT, CHIRON, V&F, MUSAIOS, SEARCHER, LEXIS, TLG Engine 2.0.2,
> PANDORA, and SNS-GREEK & LATIN 3.0. I'm going to ftp a copy of
- ------------------OMISSIONS-----------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> / Travis Bauer / Life is like an analogy. . . /
> / Jamestown College / /
>---------------------------------------------------------
===================REPLY=====================
Could you provide more information from the company about this CD, because
I'm interested. I would need enough information to at least contact them,
preferably on the 'net if they're wired, otherwise an 800 number is preferable.
Thanks.
Judge David Evans
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David Evans
davevans@onramp.net
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From: "Kevin D. Johnson" <logos@primenet.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:03:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
At 09:29 AM 2/4/95 -36000, Travis Bauer wrote:
>
> I am working with CD-ROM #D from TLG which contains Greek Literature.
> The problem I am having is that the CD came only with data and no
> programs for accessing that data. I'm wondering if anyone on the
> list knows what programs would be good for utilizing this CD.
>
> I have a fax from the company that issues the disk which cites several
> programs that would be useful. These are: TLG Workplace 3.0,
> CCAT, CHIRON, V&F, MUSAIOS, SEARCHER, LEXIS, TLG Engine 2.0.2,
> PANDORA, and SNS-GREEK & LATIN 3.0. I'm going to ftp a copy of
> CHIRON from oakland and see how I like it, but TLG Workplace looks
> better from the description.
>
> I'd like to be able to do word searches and concordance studies
> with the software. This looks like a great disk, but I need to be
> able to access it!
>
Could you please e-mail me the information I would need to contact this
company? I would appreciate it--I am interested in the CD-Rom stuff that
they have available.
Thanks,
>>>KEVIN
logos@primenet.com
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From: Carl W Conrad <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:46:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, Travis Bauer wrote:
> I am working with CD-ROM #D from TLG which contains Greek Literature.
> The problem I am having is that the CD came only with data and no
> programs for accessing that data. I'm wondering if anyone on the
> list knows what programs would be good for utilizing this CD.
>
> I have a fax from the company that issues the disk which cites several
> programs that would be useful. These are: TLG Workplace 3.0,
> CCAT, CHIRON, V&F, MUSAIOS, SEARCHER, LEXIS, TLG Engine 2.0.2,
> PANDORA, and SNS-GREEK & LATIN 3.0. I'm going to ftp a copy of
> CHIRON from oakland and see how I like it, but TLG Workplace looks
> better from the description.
>
> I'd like to be able to do word searches and concordance studies
> with the software. This looks like a great disk, but I need to be
> able to access it!
The answer to this depends on what sort of a computer you're using (and
how fast your CD-ROM reader is. I'm using Pandora on a Mac LC575 with a
built-in double-speed CD-ROM reader and I find this works fine for doing
word searches on the TLG disks (as well as on the PHI Latin disk). It
works with either GreekKeys or LaserGreek Greek fonts (Pandora does). On
the other hand Pandora is dreadfully slow on the older single-speed
CD-readers and 68000 Macs. Others can give you some advice, no doubt, on
the DOS-based programs.
Hope this helps some.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO 63130, USA
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
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From: Carl W Conrad <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:55:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, David Evans wrote:
> >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 09:29:04 -36000
> >From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
> >Subject: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
> >To: Greek Discscussion Posting <B-GREEK@virginia.edu>
> >
> >
> > I am working with CD-ROM #D from TLG which contains Greek Literature.
> -----------------OMISSIONS-------------------
> > I have a fax from the company that issues the disk which cites several
> > programs that would be useful. These are: TLG Workplace 3.0,
> > CCAT, CHIRON, V&F, MUSAIOS, SEARCHER, LEXIS, TLG Engine 2.0.2,
> > PANDORA, and SNS-GREEK & LATIN 3.0. I'm going to ftp a copy of
> ------------------OMISSIONS-----------------
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > / Travis Bauer / Life is like an analogy. . . /
> > / Jamestown College / /
> >---------------------------------------------------------
>
> ===================REPLY=====================
> Could you provide more information from the company about this CD, because
> I'm interested. I would need enough information to at least contact them,
> preferably on the 'net if they're wired, otherwise an 800 number is preferable.
You are best advised to gopher to the TLG gopher server. Ted Brunner, who
has long been in charge of the TLG program, could probably give you the
URL for it, but you could reach it with a gopher client simply by
selecting "Other Gopher Servers" and burrowing down through California
gopher sites to UCal at Irvine. All the info you want is available from
that gopher. I might add to Travis' note that the TLG is not a commercial
product but a scholarly project supported by grants, member institutions
and private philanthropy. The TLG CD-ROM is licensed by the 3-year
period. If Ted's reading the B-Greek mail currently, he can say more
about this, but the information is readily available from the gopher server.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO 63130, USA
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
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From: Carl W Conrad <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:03:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: epexegetical KAI
On Sat, 4 Feb 1995 Dvdmoore@aol.com wrote:
> My vote goes to non-epexegetical in this case, since KAI ECEBALON...
> etc. provides additional information and the action this clause expresses
> might also have been performed without the persecution expressed in the
> previous clause.
I think I would agree with David here. I didn't respond yesterday because
a quick check of readily available resources in my office didn't tell me
anything worth knowing about an "epexegetical kai." I think, however,
that the author (presumably "Luke") probably really means to make "the
Jews" directly responsible for all these actions, even if they did not
personally carry them out. But frankly, that's a matter of
interpretation, I think, not of what rules of Greek grammar apply to the
text.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO 63130, USA
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
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From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:10:15 -36000
Subject: Re: Locating Thesaurus Linguae Graecae CD-ROM #D
I'm doing this research for a professor who has the CD-ROM.
The fax he gave me with the possible software doesn't have any phone
number on it. I'll ask him Monday for a phone number.
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/ Travis Bauer / Life is like an analogy. . . /
/ Jamestown College / /
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From: "Paul J. Bodin" <pjbodin@ocf.berkeley.edu>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:09:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Thesaurus Linguae Graecae
On Sat, 4 Feb 1995, Travis Bauer wrote:
> I have a fax from the company that issues the disk which cites several
> programs that would be useful. These are: TLG Workplace 3.0,
> CCAT, CHIRON, V&F, MUSAIOS, SEARCHER, LEXIS, TLG Engine 2.0.2,
> PANDORA, and SNS-GREEK & LATIN 3.0. I'm going to ftp a copy of
> CHIRON from oakland and see how I like it, but TLG Workplace looks
> better from the description.
I have used the TLG with several different PC-based search programs, and
my favorite by far is John Baima's TLG Workplace. The program requires
Windows.
TLG Workplace provides much more than basic access to the TLG, with very
flexible search utilities and access to data from the TLG canon. John
can be contacted online at jbaima@onramp.net.
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin Internet: pjbodin@ocf.berkeley.edu
Union Theological Seminary smail: 1333 66th Street
Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary Berkeley, CA 94702
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End of b-greek-digest V1 #567
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