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b-greek-digest Sunday, 18 June 1995 Volume 01 : Number 756
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Re: Made-up Greek sentences
Thousands Protest Execution Threat as Jamal Files for New Trial (fwd)
Re: Thousands Protest Execution Threat as Jamal Files for New Trial
Re: Made-up Greek sentences
Re: Made-up Greek sentences
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From: Ken Penner <kpenner@mail.unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 09:32:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Made-up Greek sentences
On 16 Jun 95 at 14:11, Bill Mounce wrote:
> Zondervan has been getting lots of requests for me to include madeup
> sentences in my workbook.
One of the reasons I prefer your textbook and workbook, Bill,
is that all the exercises are verses from the Bible.
I agree with your Rationale Statement (2.a):
All exercises are from the Bible. From day one, the students
are translating the biblical text. If a passage as a word that
is taught in a later chapter, it is translated. This gives
students the satisfaction of actually having translated a
portion of the Bible. ...
The disadvantage of using the biblical text is that the student
may already know the verse in English. But with a little
discipline on the student's part, this disadvantage is far
outweighed by the advantages.
- -- End Quote
What might be other advantages of using made-up sentences?
> So my question is, have you or any of your colleagues made
> up a bunch of sentences? I would like to collect all that
> are there, put them up on the Internet, and then if I have
> permission to use them as well as my stuff in the workbook.
A colleague has a set of a few hundred that are loaded with
every imaginable booby trap. If you're interested in them,
I'll ask her about making them available. But I still cringe
at using this approach. How do you and others feel about it?
I appreciated Bruce Terry's suggestion that biblical sentences
be simplified where necessary. Another possibility I expect
you've considered is to use (simplified) sentences from the
Septuagint or Apostolic Fathers. Could they suit your purposes?
They would be preferable to using new sentences, I would imagine.
Ken Penner
Regent College
Vancouver, Canada
kpenner@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: DMKIMW00@ukcc.uky.edu
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 15:07:25 EDT
Subject: Thousands Protest Execution Threat as Jamal Files for New Trial (fwd)
*************************************
Please help!
*******************************************************************************
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: PRESS CONTACTS:
> June 12, 1995 Ray Bergerz (212) 406-4252
> Linda Thurston (510) 839-0852
>
> "Mumia Abu-Jamal Never Had a Trial," Says Attorney Len Weinglass
> Thousands Protest Execution Threat as Jamal Files for New Trial
>
> Thousands rallied across the nation and around the world last week to
> protest Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge's signing of a death warrant
> for imprisoned black journalist Mumia Abu-Jamal, setting August 17 as
> the execution date. As Jamal's supporters protested the death warrant,
> South Africa abolished the death penalty, which for decades had sent
> hundreds of anti-apartheid fighters to the gallows. The campaign to
> save Jamal has struck a deep chord in South Africa, where black
> workers in the powerful union movement see in Mumia's ordeal a mirror
> image of the vicious racist oppression they suffered under apartheid
> rule. The U.S., where the death penalty is rooted in the legacy of
> slavery, is the only industrialized Western country to retain the
> barbaric practice of legal lynching.
>
> Only six days after the execution order was announced on June 2,
> Ridge's office admitted it had already received over 20,000 faxes,
> letters and cards on behalf of Jamal, who has spent the past 13 years
> on death row for a crime he did not commit. The international support
> for this courageous political prisoner, renowned as the "voice of the
> voiceless" for his articulate and compassionate journalistic exposures
> of racism and police brutality, has been so overwhelming that the
> governor's office has changed its fax number every day in an attempt
> to thwart the flood of messages of support for Jamal!
>
> The nationwide rallies on June 5 started in Philadelphia, where some
> 600 supporters turned out in Mumia Abu-Jamal's home town for a press
> conference and protest as his legal team filed papers demanding a new
> trial, a stay of execution and the removal from the case of notorious
> "hanging judge" Albert Sabo, who handed down Jamal's death sentence in
> 1982. "Mumia Abu-Jamal never had a trial," said lead counsel Leonard
> Weinglass after submitting more than 300 pages of legal documents
> demonstrating Jamal's innocence and "widespread police and
> prosecutorial misconduct" in his conviction and sentencing. Denouncing
> Ridge's unprecedented decision to sign a death warrant knowing that
> Jamal was about to appeal for a new trial, Weinglass called this "only
> the last outrage in a series of outrages which have marked Mumia's
> case from the very first day."
>
> Rachel Wolkenstein, staff counsel for the Partisan Defense Committee
> and one of Jamal's attorneys, said that 700 pages of recently received
> FBI documents on Jamal make it "absolutely unequivocally clear,
> documented up and down, that from the time Mumia was 15 years old, he
> was a target of the FBI COINTELPRO program," J. Edgar Hoover's
> murderous "Counter-Intelligence" operation against the Black Panther
> Party, of which Jamal was then a member, and other black and leftist
> political activists. "The Philadelphia police worked hand in hand with
> the FBI," Wolkenstein continued. "They did everything they could to
> see this man dead. And in 1981, that night, December 9, they saw their
> chance to finally get Mumia and that's what they did."
>
> Other rallies held from coast to coast on June 5 were built and
> attended by a wide range of civil liberties, church, labor, youth and
> socialist organizations. Together with the powerful legal brief filed
> on Jamal's behalf, these protests have cracked the media wall of
> silence and slander against Mumia Abu-Jamal. In New York City, over
> 1,000 demonstrators circled Penn Station and Madison Square
>
> MORE MORE MORE MORE Garden, chanting "Stop the Execution! Free Mumia
> Abu-Jamal!" In the San Francisco Bay Area, over 550 came out to a
> rally in Oakland. The International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's
> Union called on all of its locals and members to join this action.
> Among the wide range of speakers at the rally were ILWU International
> President Brian McWilliams and Owen Marron of the Alameda Central
> Labor Council.
>
> Many hundreds more demonstrated that day in Los Angeles, Chicago,
> Boston, Washington, D.C., Toronto and other cities. The Boston rally
> heard a statement by Michael and Robert Meeropol, the sons of Julius
> and Ethel Rosenberg, who were electrocuted in 1953 in the McCarthyite
> climate of Cold War anti-Communism and anti-Semitism. The Meeropols
> wrote, "We are gathered here today because for the first time since
> the execution of our parents, a political prisoner sits on Death Row."
> In Minneapolis, at an evening rally of over 200 on June 3, police on
> horseback using mace charged into a peaceful demonstration in support
> of Jamal, arresting at least 11 people.
>
> The Partisan Defense Committee has focused in particular on the need
> for organized labor to use its powerful forces in the fight to save
> Mumia Abu-Jamal and abolish the death penalty. Around the world, trade
> unions representing millions of workers, including the CGT federation
> in France, the million-strong Transport and General Workers Union in
> Britain and numerous others have spoken out on behalf of Jamal. In
> South Africa there has been an outpouring of labor support, including
> from the powerful Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU),
> transport and other unions. ANC leader M.C. Ramaphosa has also raised
> his voice against the threatened execution of Jamal.
>
> A June 6 protest outside the U.S. consulate in Vancouver, British
> Columbia was heavily built by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers,
> which also participated in the Toronto rally. On June 7,
> demonstrations demanding "Mumia Abu-Jamal Must Not Die!" were held
> outside U.S. consulates and embassies in a number of other cities,
> from Paris, London and Berlin to Sydney and Melbourne, Australia. The
> protest in Paris was addressed by an official of the SUD postal union.
> A statement from the CGT longshore union in Marseille proclaimed, "The
> dockers of the port of Marseille love liberty and life too much to
> remain silent in the face of racist injustice and the heavy silence of
> the death penalty!"
>
> Over 300 demonstrators in Berlin, including many anti-racist youth and
> Turkish and Kurdish immigrants, heard messages of solidarity from,
> among others, Esther Bejarano, chairman of the international Auschwitz
> survivors committee, and Markus Wolf. Wolf, a Jewish survivor of
> Hitler's Third Reich and the former head of East German intelligence
> who has himself faced a judicial witchhunt at the hands of the German
> capitalist state, called on "every individual who has met with
> injustice or who is fighting for his rights to join the demand to save
> the life of Mumia Abu-Jamal."
>
> The London protest, held simultaneously with another in Birmingham,
> included Turkish immigrants and numerous black and socialist
> organizations. Representatives of several trade unions turned out,
> including the National Union of Journalists, which first spoke out for
> its fellow writer in 1990. Labour Party Member of Parliament Jeremy
> Corbyn, one of 21 signatories to a motion in the House of Commons
> calling on Governor Ridge to stop Jamal's execution, told the crowd of
> 150: "This proposed legal murder of someone who is not even guilty of
> the crime for which he has been charged is yet another example of the
> brutality of the law-and-order lobby in the United States and indeed
> exactly the same law-and-order lobby that is at work in this country
> as well."
>
> Jesse Jackson was informed of the death warrant for Jamal while he was
> on tour in England. At a public meeting in London on June 4, Jackson
> told his audience: "We are all in prayer that Mumia Abu-Jamal must not
> die by capital punishment. We must stop this killing, it does not make
> sense."
>
> MORE MORE MORE MORE
>
> MORE protests for Jamal have just taken place or are scheduled to
> occur soon in the Netherlands, Italy, Japan and other countries, as
> well as in other cities across the United States. Support continues to
> build, with demonstrations and rallies planned around the globe over
> the summer. As these protests underscore, the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal
> has become the focal point of opposition to the racist death penalty.
> Addressing the Philadelphia rally, PDC spokesman Ed Jarvis said: "The
> planned execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal stands as the leading edge of the
> struggle to destroy democratic rights for everyone. Instead of
> building schools, hospitals, day-care centers, instead of building
> quality housing, this government is building more prisons and stepping
> up the death machine.... It's time to stop the Democrat and Republican
> party regimes which have been using these means to suppress
> working-class people and poor people. It's time to build a
> working-class party. It's time to save Mumia Abu-Jamal! Abolish the
> death penalty! Finish the Civil War!"
>
> The vendetta against Jamal by the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of
> Police and its allies continues to this day. In a moving and powerful
> statement from death row, Mumia pointed to Ridge's signing of the
> death warrant as evidence that "he is at the call of those who are
> calling for my blood." Ridge admitted as much when he told reporters
> that he acted "to fulfill a campaign promise." FOP vice president
> Kenneth Rocks hailed the signing of the warrant with a bloodchilling
> statement that Jamal "ought to write a short story. He might not have
> time to finish a novel." Meanwhile, in a crude attempt at
> intimidation, the Philadelphia District Attorney's office sent out an
> official letter on June 2 to prominent personalities like actor Ed
> Asner condemning their support to Jamal as an "insult" to police and
> "law-abiding citizens."
>
> Recent events have underscored the notorious racism, brutality and
> corruption of the Philadelphia police. On June 5, a Jewish ex-cop
> filed a $500,000 lawsuit charging the Philadelphia Police Department
> with pervasive, flagrant anti-Semitism, while in May two former Philly
> FOP officials were sentenced to jail for engaging in shakedown
> rackets. And now Pennsylvania's top cop, Attorney General Ernest
> Preate Jr., has pleaded guilty to mail fraud and agreed to resign over
> a scandal involving illegal gambling operations.
>
> The deeply racist "justice" system that railroaded Mumia Abu-Jamal in
> 1982 is just as determined in 1995 to prevent a fair trial and
> acquittal of this innocent man. If there were any justice, Mumia would
> never have spent a day behind bars. To join the fight to save Mumia
> Abu-Jamal, contact the Partisan Defense Committee, P.O. Box 99, Canal
> Street Station, New York, NY 10013, (212) 406-4252. Tax-deductible
> contributions for Jamal's defense should be made payable to the Bill
> of Rights Foundation, earmarked "Mumia Abu-Jamal Legal Defense," and
> sent to the Committee to Save Mumia Abu-Jamal, 163 Amsterdam Ave., No.
> 115, New York, NY 10023-5001. Send protests to: Governor Tom Ridge,
> Main Capitol Bldg.., Rm. 225, Harrisburg, PA 17120; fax (717)
> 772-3155; phone (717) 787-2500. Write to Jamal to express your
> solidarity: Mumia Abu-Jamal, AM8335, SCI Greene, 1040 E. Roy Furman
> Highway, Waynesburg, PA 15370-8090. Mumia Abu-Jamal must not die!
>
> - 30 -
>
------------------------------
From: David Kimweli <DMKIMW00@ukcc.uky.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 16:51:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Thousands Protest Execution Threat as Jamal Files for New Trial
(fwd)
Philip, I just wanted you to help... sorry if the message offended you ..)
- ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
This message does not belong on b-greek. This list is for discussion of
the Greek of the NT and LXX and closely related issues.
On Sat, 17 Jun 1995 DMKIMW00@ukcc.uky.edu wrote:
> *************************************
> Please help!
>
*******************************************************************************
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: PRESS
CONTACTS:
> > June 12, 1995 Ray Bergerz
(212) 406-4252
> > Linda Thurston
(510) 839-0852
> >
> > "Mumia Abu-Jamal Never Had a Trial," Says Attorney Len Weinglass
> > Thousands Protest Execution Threat as Jamal Files for New Trial
> >
> > Thousands rallied across the nation and around the world last week to
> > protest Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge's signing of a death warrant
> > for imprisoned black journalist Mumia Abu-Jamal, setting August 17 as
> > the execution date. As Jamal's supporters protested the death warrant,
> > South Africa abolished the death penalty, which for decades had sent
> > hundreds of anti-apartheid fighters to the gallows. The campaign to
> > save Jamal has struck a deep chord in South Africa, where black
> > workers in the powerful union movement see in Mumia's ordeal a mirror
> > image of the vicious racist oppression they suffered under apartheid
> > rule. The U.S., where the death penalty is rooted in the legacy of
> > slavery, is the only industrialized Western country to retain the
> > barbaric practice of legal lynching.
> >
> > Only six days after the execution order was announced on June 2,
> > Ridge's office admitted it had already received over 20,000 faxes,
> > letters and cards on behalf of Jamal, who has spent the past 13 years
> > on death row for a crime he did not commit. The international support
> > for this courageous political prisoner, renowned as the "voice of the
> > voiceless" for his articulate and compassionate journalistic exposures
> > of racism and police brutality, has been so overwhelming that the
> > governor's office has changed its fax number every day in an attempt
> > to thwart the flood of messages of support for Jamal!
> >
> > The nationwide rallies on June 5 started in Philadelphia, where some
> > 600 supporters turned out in Mumia Abu-Jamal's home town for a press
> > conference and protest as his legal team filed papers demanding a new
> > trial, a stay of execution and the removal from the case of notorious
> > "hanging judge" Albert Sabo, who handed down Jamal's death sentence in
> > 1982. "Mumia Abu-Jamal never had a trial," said lead counsel Leonard
> > Weinglass after submitting more than 300 pages of legal documents
> > demonstrating Jamal's innocence and "widespread police and
> > prosecutorial misconduct" in his conviction and sentencing. Denouncing
> > Ridge's unprecedented decision to sign a death warrant knowing that
> > Jamal was about to appeal for a new trial, Weinglass called this "only
> > the last outrage in a series of outrages which have marked Mumia's
> > case from the very first day."
> >
> > Rachel Wolkenstein, staff counsel for the Partisan Defense Committee
> > and one of Jamal's attorneys, said that 700 pages of recently received
> > FBI documents on Jamal make it "absolutely unequivocally clear,
> > documented up and down, that from the time Mumia was 15 years old, he
> > was a target of the FBI COINTELPRO program," J. Edgar Hoover's
> > murderous "Counter-Intelligence" operation against the Black Panther
> > Party, of which Jamal was then a member, and other black and leftist
> > political activists. "The Philadelphia police worked hand in hand with
> > the FBI," Wolkenstein continued. "They did everything they could to
> > see this man dead. And in 1981, that night, December 9, they saw their
> > chance to finally get Mumia and that's what they did."
> >
> > Other rallies held from coast to coast on June 5 were built and
> > attended by a wide range of civil liberties, church, labor, youth and
> > socialist organizations. Together with the powerful legal brief filed
> > on Jamal's behalf, these protests have cracked the media wall of
> > silence and slander against Mumia Abu-Jamal. In New York City, over
> > 1,000 demonstrators circled Penn Station and Madison Square
> >
> > MORE MORE MORE MORE Garden, chanting "Stop the Execution! Free Mumia
> > Abu-Jamal!" In the San Francisco Bay Area, over 550 came out to a
> > rally in Oakland. The International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's
> > Union called on all of its locals and members to join this action.
> > Among the wide range of speakers at the rally were ILWU International
> > President Brian McWilliams and Owen Marron of the Alameda Central
> > Labor Council.
> >
> > Many hundreds more demonstrated that day in Los Angeles, Chicago,
> > Boston, Washington, D.C., Toronto and other cities. The Boston rally
> > heard a statement by Michael and Robert Meeropol, the sons of Julius
> > and Ethel Rosenberg, who were electrocuted in 1953 in the McCarthyite
> > climate of Cold War anti-Communism and anti-Semitism. The Meeropols
> > wrote, "We are gathered here today because for the first time since
> > the execution of our parents, a political prisoner sits on Death Row."
> > In Minneapolis, at an evening rally of over 200 on June 3, police on
> > horseback using mace charged into a peaceful demonstration in support
> > of Jamal, arresting at least 11 people.
> >
> > The Partisan Defense Committee has focused in particular on the need
> > for organized labor to use its powerful forces in the fight to save
> > Mumia Abu-Jamal and abolish the death penalty. Around the world, trade
> > unions representing millions of workers, including the CGT federation
> > in France, the million-strong Transport and General Workers Union in
> > Britain and numerous others have spoken out on behalf of Jamal. In
> > South Africa there has been an outpouring of labor support, including
> > from the powerful Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU),
> > transport and other unions. ANC leader M.C. Ramaphosa has also raised
> > his voice against the threatened execution of Jamal.
> >
> > A June 6 protest outside the U.S. consulate in Vancouver, British
> > Columbia was heavily built by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers,
> > which also participated in the Toronto rally. On June 7,
> > demonstrations demanding "Mumia Abu-Jamal Must Not Die!" were held
> > outside U.S. consulates and embassies in a number of other cities,
> > from Paris, London and Berlin to Sydney and Melbourne, Australia. The
> > protest in Paris was addressed by an official of the SUD postal union.
> > A statement from the CGT longshore union in Marseille proclaimed, "The
> > dockers of the port of Marseille love liberty and life too much to
> > remain silent in the face of racist injustice and the heavy silence of
> > the death penalty!"
> >
> > Over 300 demonstrators in Berlin, including many anti-racist youth and
> > Turkish and Kurdish immigrants, heard messages of solidarity from,
> > among others, Esther Bejarano, chairman of the international Auschwitz
> > survivors committee, and Markus Wolf. Wolf, a Jewish survivor of
> > Hitler's Third Reich and the former head of East German intelligence
> > who has himself faced a judicial witchhunt at the hands of the German
> > capitalist state, called on "every individual who has met with
> > injustice or who is fighting for his rights to join the demand to save
> > the life of Mumia Abu-Jamal."
> >
> > The London protest, held simultaneously with another in Birmingham,
> > included Turkish immigrants and numerous black and socialist
> > organizations. Representatives of several trade unions turned out,
> > including the National Union of Journalists, which first spoke out for
> > its fellow writer in 1990. Labour Party Member of Parliament Jeremy
> > Corbyn, one of 21 signatories to a motion in the House of Commons
> > calling on Governor Ridge to stop Jamal's execution, told the crowd of
> > 150: "This proposed legal murder of someone who is not even guilty of
> > the crime for which he has been charged is yet another example of the
> > brutality of the law-and-order lobby in the United States and indeed
> > exactly the same law-and-order lobby that is at work in this country
> > as well."
> >
> > Jesse Jackson was informed of the death warrant for Jamal while he was
> > on tour in England. At a public meeting in London on June 4, Jackson
> > told his audience: "We are all in prayer that Mumia Abu-Jamal must not
> > die by capital punishment. We must stop this killing, it does not make
> > sense."
> >
> > MORE MORE MORE MORE
> >
> > MORE protests for Jamal have just taken place or are scheduled to
> > occur soon in the Netherlands, Italy, Japan and other countries, as
> > well as in other cities across the United States. Support continues to
> > build, with demonstrations and rallies planned around the globe over
> > the summer. As these protests underscore, the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal
> > has become the focal point of opposition to the racist death penalty.
> > Addressing the Philadelphia rally, PDC spokesman Ed Jarvis said: "The
> > planned execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal stands as the leading edge of the
> > struggle to destroy democratic rights for everyone. Instead of
> > building schools, hospitals, day-care centers, instead of building
> > quality housing, this government is building more prisons and stepping
> > up the death machine.... It's time to stop the Democrat and Republican
> > party regimes which have been using these means to suppress
> > working-class people and poor people. It's time to build a
> > working-class party. It's time to save Mumia Abu-Jamal! Abolish the
> > death penalty! Finish the Civil War!"
> >
> > The vendetta against Jamal by the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of
> > Police and its allies continues to this day. In a moving and powerful
> > statement from death row, Mumia pointed to Ridge's signing of the
> > death warrant as evidence that "he is at the call of those who are
> > calling for my blood." Ridge admitted as much when he told reporters
> > that he acted "to fulfill a campaign promise." FOP vice president
> > Kenneth Rocks hailed the signing of the warrant with a bloodchilling
> > statement that Jamal "ought to write a short story. He might not have
> > time to finish a novel." Meanwhile, in a crude attempt at
> > intimidation, the Philadelphia District Attorney's office sent out an
> > official letter on June 2 to prominent personalities like actor Ed
> > Asner condemning their support to Jamal as an "insult" to police and
> > "law-abiding citizens."
> >
> > Recent events have underscored the notorious racism, brutality and
> > corruption of the Philadelphia police. On June 5, a Jewish ex-cop
> > filed a $500,000 lawsuit charging the Philadelphia Police Department
> > with pervasive, flagrant anti-Semitism, while in May two former Philly
> > FOP officials were sentenced to jail for engaging in shakedown
> > rackets. And now Pennsylvania's top cop, Attorney General Ernest
> > Preate Jr., has pleaded guilty to mail fraud and agreed to resign over
> > a scandal involving illegal gambling operations.
> >
> > The deeply racist "justice" system that railroaded Mumia Abu-Jamal in
> > 1982 is just as determined in 1995 to prevent a fair trial and
> > acquittal of this innocent man. If there were any justice, Mumia would
> > never have spent a day behind bars. To join the fight to save Mumia
> > Abu-Jamal, contact the Partisan Defense Committee, P.O. Box 99, Canal
> > Street Station, New York, NY 10013, (212) 406-4252. Tax-deductible
> > contributions for Jamal's defense should be made payable to the Bill
> > of Rights Foundation, earmarked "Mumia Abu-Jamal Legal Defense," and
> > sent to the Committee to Save Mumia Abu-Jamal, 163 Amsterdam Ave., No.
> > 115, New York, NY 10023-5001. Send protests to: Governor Tom Ridge,
> > Main Capitol Bldg.., Rm. 225, Harrisburg, PA 17120; fax (717)
> > 772-3155; phone (717) 787-2500. Write to Jamal to express your
> > solidarity: Mumia Abu-Jamal, AM8335, SCI Greene, 1040 E. Roy Furman
> > Highway, Waynesburg, PA 15370-8090. Mumia Abu-Jamal must not die!
> >
> > - 30 -
> >
>
>
------------------------------
From: Yirah@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:13:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Made-up Greek sentences
Recently Ken Penner wrote and asked--
>>A colleague has a set of a few hundred that are loaded with
>>every imaginable booby trap. If you're interested in them,
>>I'll ask her about making them available. But I still cringe
>>at using this approach. How do you and others feel about it?
My story comes from learning Hebrew. I'll keep the name of the higher
learning institute anonymous so not to embarass it. Our Hebrew "grammar" used
not the Scripture to teach us Hebrew, but made-up sentences. Oh, I learned a
lot about Goldilocks and the Three Bears, and Hanzel and Gretel (in Hebrew no
less) and other stories, but I always thought it quite odd that I was
attending an evangelical seminary to learn Hebrew to help me appreciate what
God revealed in the OT and we weren't even studying it! Toward the end we did
delve into Ruth a little, but I vowed that if I ever had the opportunity to
teach Greek or Hebrew I would go to the Book--after all, that's why I
invested thousands of dollars, moved my family and put in the effort.
So my vote is with Ken--I cringe at the "made-up sentence" approach and
probably would not use it or recommend it to anyone attempting to learn
Greek. Bill, your workbook and text is great because, as Ken mentioned, it is
from the Bible.
I wonder if those on the list who learned Greek for the Classics have any
input. Would you rather learn Greek by translating Plutarch, for example, or
a Hellenized version of Goldilocks?
William Brooks
Pastor in waiting.
------------------------------
From: Bill Mounce <billm@teknia.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:38:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Made-up Greek sentences
>One of the things I appreciated about working with your workbook was that you
>had us working with "real time" material that was relavent (sp?) to what we
>were studying instead of having us, as you say, chasing 'angels in the
>desert'. I hope your sentences don't get as crazy as Dr. Machen's. That
>aspect of his book was most frustrating.
Paul,
I will not remove the sentences that are there. Just add some new stuff.
Thanks. Thank you alsofor the reaction. Glad you like translating the
Bible. I will pass your comments on to Zondervan.
Bill Mounce
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