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b-greek-digest Monday, 28 August 1995 Volume 01 : Number 838
In this issue:
Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse
Re: Pocket Greek NT?
Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse
Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse
Re: apologies for doublets!
Re: Pocket Greek NT?
Re: Word Processing Fonts
Word Processing Fonts & WinGreek
Re: Pocket Greek NT?
Re: Pocket Greek NT?
Re: Word Processing Fonts
Douglas Moo's Romans Vol. 2
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From: Jan.Haugland@uib.no
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 15:33:31 +0200
Subject: Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse
Carlton Winbery saod:
> Interestingly, just as the disciples' questions are clearly
>blocked out in Matthew, so he also presents Jesus's answer in blocks
>alternating between the destruction of the temple and the second coming.
There is no alternating. The destruction of the temple and the second coming
would occur at the same time. Jesus is not anywhere talking about two events
separated by many years. The whole NT is emphasising that the second coming
would occur within the lifespan of those people he were talking to. The
disciples asked Jesus when the "end of the age" would be. Jesus explained,
and it all came to pass in 70AD.
Cheers,
- - Jan
- --
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
-- Albert Einstein
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From: Rod Decker <rdecker@accunet.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:51:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Pocket Greek NT?
>Anyway, what I am suggesting is that I would like to have a slim Greek NT that
>is easy to stick in my pocket or tuck in a corner of a briefcase....
>
>What I'm wondering is whether any of you have wished for a similar product. If
>so, there might be a basis for suggesting it to the publishers.
>
>David Housholder (DavidHousholder@XC.Org)
I, too, have hunted for such an edition--unsuccessfully. I have only seen
such a thing once. About 25 years ago I saw a vest pocket sized edition
from a British publisher, but it was not in print at the time. I don't
remember the date for sure, but it was mid-century or earlier I think.
Since then I've checked every used bookstore I've been in to see if they
had a copy, but with no success.
The best I've been able to do is NA25--I have a leather-bound copy that I
can carry somewhat unobtrusively. (I reccomend to my students that they do
not make a show of carrying a Greek Testament to church.) It also serves as
a better size for totin' along other places where I don't want to lug a
full arsenal. If it could be squeezed even smaller, I'd be delighted.
If there is a publisher rep. listening, or someone who has the ear of one,
I'd second David's suggestion: print a _small_, text-only Testament that is
'pocket-portable.' I'd live with 7 or 8 point type and no apparatus or
notes of any sort, and even relatively scant margins. Print it on the
thinest 'India paper' available that doesn't show through (unlike UBS4!).
Ideal size for this purpose would be 3/4 to 1/2 the size of an 'old Nestle'
(i.e., NA25 or earlier). I'd even put up with (though this hurts immensely
to say!) a TR text _IF_ that was the only way I could get one. I'd much
prefer, of course, to have the NA26/27 = UBS3/4 text, or at least an NA25.
The publisher's question will be, of course, how many could I sell and what
would people pay for it? I'd order one immediately and I'd pay $20 without
question, esp. it it had a leather cover (though I'd go $25 for that).
Rod
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Rodney J. Decker Calvary Theological Seminary
Asst. Prof./NT 15800 Calvary Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri 64147
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From: WINBROW@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:46:44 -0400
Subject: Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse
Jan said,
Carlton Winbery saod:
> Interestingly, just as the disciples' questions are clearly
>blocked out in Matthew, so he also presents Jesus's answer in blocks
>alternating between the destruction of the temple and the second coming."
I think someone else said that not me.
Carlton Winbery
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From: Jan.Haugland@uib.no
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:07:12 +0200
Subject: Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse
> Jan said,
> Carlton Winbery saod:
> > Interestingly, just as the disciples' questions are clearly
> >blocked out in Matthew, so he also presents Jesus's answer in blocks
> >alternating between the destruction of the temple and the second coming."
>
> I think someone else said that not me.
>
> Carlton Winbery
My apologies. I did not see the ["] beginning and ending your extensive
quotation. It has become customary to precede all lines with quotations with a
">" or another symbol to make quoting obvious.
Cheers,
- - Jan
- --
"This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life,
you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where
to go."
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From: Bruce Terry <terry@bible.acu.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:17:18 CST
Subject: Re: apologies for doublets!
On 26 Aug 95, David Housholder wrote:
>The problem was that I received a message containing the following:
>
>>>Message Recipients: cas@dei.uminho.pt: transfer failure -- MTA congestion
>
>And it told me delivery of my b-greek message had failed. I resent it, received
>the same message, but by then received a reply from a list member showing me
>that the message had, in fact, gone through.
>
>May we safely ignore these failure messages?
This message means that this one user did not receive the message. He has not
received messages for some time. I always get back a message of failure from
his post office almost every time I post. Does anyone know what country "pt"
is? If you are a member of the B-Greek list, you should receive a copy of the
message you posted to the list. That is how you know the message went
through.
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Bruce Terry E-MAIL: terry@bible.acu.edu
Box 8426, ACU Station Phone: 915/674-3759
Abilene, Texas 79699 Fax: 915/674-3769
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From: Bruce Terry <terry@bible.acu.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:36:13 CST
Subject: Re: Pocket Greek NT?
On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Rod Decker responded to David Housholder:
>If there is a publisher rep. listening, or someone who has the ear of one,
>I'd second David's suggestion: print a _small_, text-only Testament that is
>'pocket-portable.' I'd live with 7 or 8 point type and no apparatus or
>notes of any sort, and even relatively scant margins. Print it on the
>thinest 'India paper' available that doesn't show through (unlike UBS4!).
>Ideal size for this purpose would be 3/4 to 1/2 the size of an 'old Nestle'
>(i.e., NA25 or earlier). I'd even put up with (though this hurts immensely
>to say!) a TR text _IF_ that was the only way I could get one. I'd much
>prefer, of course, to have the NA26/27 = UBS3/4 text, or at least an NA25.
>The publisher's question will be, of course, how many could I sell and what
>would people pay for it? I'd order one immediately and I'd pay $20 without
>question, esp. it it had a leather cover (though I'd go $25 for that).
I would buy a copy too, although I would really like it with a minor apparatus
containing the 700+ places where the major English translations mark a variant
reading. My pocket RSV is 2-3/4" by 4-1/8", a real nice size. But I would
take a little larger since the 8 point type would be nicer as I get older.
Definitely a leather cover (for which I would easily pay $25 and maybe even
$30). Oh, yes, the "Standard Text," please, not the TR.
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Bruce Terry E-MAIL: terry@bible.acu.edu
Box 8426, ACU Station Phone: 915/674-3759
Abilene, Texas 79699 Fax: 915/674-3769
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From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:01:46 -0600
Subject: Re: Word Processing Fonts
David Housholder responded to Ken Litwak at 12:58 PM on Friday, August 25, 1995:
>Don't be frightened by the Mac fanatics <g>, using True Type fonts with Windows
>is very easy. My suggestion for the best set of Greek and Hebrew (and Coptic)
>fonts, with all pointings, accents, and breathings supported and easily added
>(AND with the Hebrew right to left) is WinGreek.
I agree with David--with one addition. Don't be stampeded by Windows
fanatics or MS-DOS fanatics either. David's reference to True Type fonts is
another example of IBM compatibles adopting Mac originated technology.
Listen to those who advised you to decide what you want to do with the
computer, discover what software on either operating system base will do
it, compare the cost of software and hardware (remembering to fingure in
the cost of the cards you might need to add to make it all work together),
and then decide what to do.
There is one other factor, if you are on a campus or in a business:
compatibility with what the rest of the institution uses. I use a MAC
because my institution has MACS in all its offices! And I have colleagues
who use IBM compatibles. My musician son composes music on an IBM, while my
colleague Paul Manz does it on a MAC. Another son used as MAC to prepare
three camera-ready copy of Greek texts [Xenophon and Polyainos] with facing
translation for two different publisher. One of two children in
professional consulting firms uses a MAC, the other the IBM platform.
In short, the more advice you get, the more confused you will be. Do you
have access to a computation center on a campus? Go and try out what is
there. With time and effort both platforms will produce good text and copy.
Most users fall in love with whatever they use.
Edgar Krentz <emkrentz@mcs.com>
New Testament, Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
Voice: 312-753-0752; FAX: 312-753-0782
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From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:36:52 -35900
Subject: Word Processing Fonts & WinGreek
I use WordPerfect 6.0 for DOS. When I downloaded the On-line Bible, it
came with a greek keyboard driver so one could type in Greek characters,
no accents. I wrote some macros and enhanced the keyboard so that it
does accents. You just type in the vowel, then <ctrl>i for iota
subscript, <ctrl>a for acute, and so on. The only problem is that when
you need two accents on top of a vowel, they overwrite each other.
I suppose that it would violate copyright law to transfer just
the keyboard driver, but if anyone is interested in downloading the
Online Bible, we can arrange to transfer the modifications I made.
I head someone talking about something called WinGreek. Can I
ftp it from someplace? I did some searching but couldn't find it.
Travis Bauer
Jamestown College
bauer@acc.jc.edu
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From: Nichael Lynn Cramer <nichael@sover.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 21:11:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Pocket Greek NT?
At 4:36 PM 27/08/95, Bruce Terry wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Rod Decker responded to David Housholder:
>> [...Wishlist for a pocket-sized GNT...]
Wouldn't the right way to go be for one of the manufacturers of one of
those checkbook-sized electronic Bibles to put out a GNT? That way we
could have a GNT (possibly including multiple versions), probably with a
full apparatus and search capabilities in a size not much larger than the
"vest-pocket" sized NRSV I carry in my briefcase.
If the basic mechanism already exists, it couldn't be much of a leap to
simply change the core data.
Nichael - "...did I forget, forget to mention Memphis?
nichael@sover.net Home of Elvis, and the ancient Greeks."
http://www.sover.net/~nichael
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From: Rod Decker <rdecker@accunet.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:00:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Pocket Greek NT?
Nichael wrote:
>Wouldn't the right way to go be for one of the manufacturers of one of
>those checkbook-sized electronic Bibles to put out a GNT? That way we
>could have a GNT (possibly including multiple versions), probably with a
>full apparatus and search capabilities in a size not much larger than the
>"vest-pocket" sized NRSV I carry in my briefcase.
>
>If the basic mechanism already exists, it couldn't be much of a leap to
>simply change the core data.
It's probably technologically possible, but the cost would be higher and
you'd only see a verse or so at a time--not exactly well suited for
reading. Most displays on a unit of that size would prob. be difficult, if
not impossible, to read in a dimly lit room. Same for any sort of marking.
I enjoy the tech stuff, but I'm of a mind that despite the prognosis of the
wizards, the book is here to stay (at least for my lifetime).
Rod
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rodney J. Decker Calvary Theological Seminary
Asst. Prof./NT 15800 Calvary Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri 64147
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 20:36:01 PDT
Subject: Re: Word Processing Fonts
Thanks again to Edgar and others who have responded to me. In order
to try to quell the storm I inadvertently started, and was afraid might
start, let me say that because of other professional needs, as a software
enginner, I really need to be using an Inel machine. My company is
working really ahrd at getting up to speed in Windows and makes virtually
nothing for the Mac, so my career at the moment requires IBM usage.
Most of the other software I use at home requires an IBM PC because,
again, I'm building skills related to WIndows, since my firm views
products for Windows as a requiremnt for survival. So, I appreciate the
Mac-related suggestoins, and don't have a personal bias against
Macs, but I need to use an IBM right now for other reasons. I hope
this will allow for peaceful disengagement in the Mac vs. PC
discussion. I would like to get further input from people, however,
no that I have got this far. For scholarly purposes, some people
seem to say that word processing software with just fonts is not enough,
but that I really want a program that is more scholarl-oriented
and Greek and Hebrew are an essential part of the tool, or is the addition
of fonts really not a big deal? I guess from the advice I've gotten,
I'd frame that this way: is Nota Bena so superior for doctoral level
paper writing to using Word or whatever with fonts that I really
should go ahead and buy N.B., or is the fonts + word
processing software option just about as good, once you've got the
hang of it? I realize the former also has bibliographic
capability, which could be very important. I don't know how
important blocks of Greek or Hebrew will be as opposed to single
words as I have never been a doctoral student before, and have no
idea how many orders of magnitude above an M.Div. paper a doctoral
seminar paper is. Thanks.
Ken Litwak
GTU
Beaerkley, CA
P.S.,
OF course, if I don't pass the German exam next month, I won't
need any new software, since I won't be able to go on with doctoral work.
They'd let me, but I don't tink I could take it:-).
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From: Cierpke@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:55:24 -0400
Subject: Douglas Moo's Romans Vol. 2
Could anyone clue me in as to when or if Moody Press is going to publish the
second volume of Douglas Moo's "Romans 9-16" in the former Wycliffe
Exegetical Commentary?
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