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b-greek-digest Sunday, 12 November 1995 Volume 01 : Number 002
In this issue:
AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from) + FREE 1 yr. subscription (choose from 295+ titles)
AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from) + FREE 1 yr. subscription (choose from 295+ titles)
Acts 2:1
Re: Acts 2:1
RE: John 21:15-17
NT hymns
RE: John 21:15-17
RE: John 21:15-17
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From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp, abd03395@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, harry@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pll.my, tov04894@niftyserv.or.jp, rey02834@niftyserv.or.jp, jui@pll.my, hree@pll.my, kari@osaka.ac.jp, are04355@niftyserv.or.jp, yxr03785@niftyserv.or.jp, anb02395@niftyserv.or.jp, tfg@sinnica.edu.tw, veb@aoone.net.au, yre@dialicks.co.nz, alan@nitec.ac.jp, naga@osak.ac.jp, "Association of International Students, Executive Board\ of Directors, Japan Chapter" <set@unee.edu>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:52:45 +0900
Subject: AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from) + FREE 1 yr. subscription (choose from 295+ titles)
- -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company. To make
it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To"
field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this
message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <-----
*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via
internet email to:
FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int
Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :)
Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:
How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by Yoshio Koseki.
111195-l
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:
Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):
*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
Catalogue Options:
1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you
must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this
version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
to deal with this option.
3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You
just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
(unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut
your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in
option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
able to do.
4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who
has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
#2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.
Hi fellow 'netters,
My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.
Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price
guarantee.
Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to
them at:
FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int
*NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in
the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to
reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:"
field.*
They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.
They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to
Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very
knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.
They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.
They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a
charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs)
that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.
The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.
He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.
He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.
Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.
Sincerely,
Yoshio Koseki
ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.
------------------------------
From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp, abd03395@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, harry@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pll.my, tov04894@niftyserv.or.jp, rey02834@niftyserv.or.jp, jui@pll.my, hree@pll.my, kari@osaka.ac.jp, are04355@niftyserv.or.jp, yxr03785@niftyserv.or.jp, anb02395@niftyserv.or.jp, tfg@sinnica.edu.tw, veb@aoone.net.au, yre@dialicks.co.nz, alan@nitec.ac.jp, naga@osak.ac.jp, "Association of International Students, Executive Board of\ Directors, Japan Chapter" <set@unee.edu>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:53:08 +0900
Subject: AOIS Approved News Release: World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine Subscriptions delivered to *any* country (1,500+ USA titles to choose from) + FREE 1 yr. subscription (choose from 295+ titles)
- -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company. To make
it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To"
field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this
message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <-----
*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via
internet email to:
FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int
Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :)
Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:
How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by Yoshio Koseki.
111195-l
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:
Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):
*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
Catalogue Options:
1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you
must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this
version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
to deal with this option.
3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You
just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
(unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut
your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in
option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
able to do.
4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who
has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
#2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.
Hi fellow 'netters,
My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.
Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price
guarantee.
Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to
them at:
FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int
*NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in
the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to
reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:"
field.*
They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.
They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to
Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very
knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.
They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.
They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a
charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs)
that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.
The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.
He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.
He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.
Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.
Sincerely,
Yoshio Koseki
ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.
------------------------------
From: BBezdek@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:27:53 -0500
Subject: Acts 2:1
I am reposting this question because I believe it was lost with the
list-server problem.
Is HASAN PANTES of Acts 2:1 refering to the Apostles only or can it be
reasonably expanded to the 120? The nearest antecedent is ENDEKA APOSTOLOWN,
so this is what I have have always taken it to mean.
I am not asking for doctinal positions, but only what the text allows.
Respectfully
Byron
------------------------------
From: David Moore <dvdmoore@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:31:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Acts 2:1
On Sat, 11 Nov 1995 BBezdek@aol.com wrote:
>
> I am reposting this question because I believe it was lost with the
> list-server problem.
>
> Is HASAN PANTES of Acts 2:1 refering to the Apostles only or can it be
> reasonably expanded to the 120? The nearest antecedent is ENDEKA APOSTOLOWN,
> so this is what I have have always taken it to mean.
>
> I am not asking for doctinal positions, but only what the text allows.
There are some other words in this context that may shed light on
the meaning of HESAN PANTES. How one understands the latter probably will
depend to some extent on how one understands hOMOU and the phrase EPI TO
AUTO. The word hOMOU may mean "together," and that would fit here. It
may also indicate a total number or sum (M&M, s.v.), but since our text
lacks lists to be added up, it probably does not have that meaning here.
The phrase EPI TO AUTO probably does not mean "in one place" as one often
sees it translated. W. F. Howard points out that, although EPI TO AUTO
commonly means "together" in the LXX, in the NT and the church fathers it
has a technical meaning signifying the union of the Christian body - "in
church" (Moulton, II, p. 473). Although there are some instances of EPI
TO AUTO in Acts that might cause us to question Howard's dictum (cf.
2:44,47), it does seem probable that the meaning of the phrase in 2:1 is
something like "in assembly" or "in church."
This interpretation colors how we understand HSAN PANTES which,
then, most probably refers to the whole congregation of believers rather
than only the apostles, even though the apostles are the closest referent
in text.
A translation along this line could be, "And when the day of
Pentecost arrived, they were all together in meeting.....
David L. Moore Southeastern Spanish District
Miami, Florida of the Assemblies of God
dvdmoore@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us Department of Education
------------------------------
From: "Patrick J. Brennan" <brennanp@cts.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:49:38 -0800
Subject: RE: John 21:15-17
On Nov. 8th, 1995 Eric Vaughan wrote:
I was discussing this passage with someone a good while ago, and I'd like
to know what you think. Jesus asks Simon, "AGAPAS ME" But Simon answers,
"FILW SE" This happens twice and then Jesus finally asks the question
Simon had been answering, "FILEIS ME;" Is this a deliberate refusal to
answer Jesus' question on Simon's part (and why) or do you think that
John's recount of the story is not very careful and this difference has
little significance? I understand the symbolism of Simon's three
confessions of love after denying Christ three times, but why would he only
half answer Jesus' question? Is the difference John's fault or Simon's?
I also have the same question about "BOSKA/POIMAINE TA ARNIA/PROBATA MOU"
Eric Vaughan
On Nov. 9, 1995 Jeff Walker wrote:
My interpretation/understanding of this passage is that John / Peter chose the
words very carefully. Apart from the symbolism of three confessions of love
after three denials, Peter is here acknowledging that it is not possible for
him to attain the kind of love for Jesus that he had once boldly expressed.
It appears that this is Jesus' way of finally getting through to Peter, and
Peter finally realizing, that he is not supernatural in his faith.
I think it is also important to note here that Jesus is actually asking three
separate questions. First he asks Peter "agapas me" "more than these" (my
interpretation being "more than you love the rest of these"), to which Peter
replies that he loves Jesus more than the others but that he cannot rise to
the higher level of love. Next, Jesus appears to focus on the kind of love
that Peter has for him. He asks again "agapas me" to which Peter responds
honestly "filsw se", that he no longer feels that his love rises to the
higher level. Finally Jesus ask "fileis me" which I take as "do you
really love me even at this level or are you overstating your love again", to
which Peter replies emphatically that he is at least sure of this level of
love.
Hope this helps. Please direct all flames and/or comments to JTWALKER@UALR.EDU.
Jeff Walker
The words under consideration "AGAPAW" and "FILEW" have substantial overlap
in meaning. The concept of "God's unconditional love" expressed by "AGAPAW"
(or "AGAPH") is a good example of the "root word" fallacy (the idea that a
specific meaning is connected to the root of a word). This is also true
for "FILEW". The concept of "brotherly love" is not inherently tied to the
root of this word either. Both words are synonymous and to read "special"
meaning into them based on the root itself is incorrect. Concepts like
"unconditional love" and "brotherly love" can only be taken from context.
(See D.A. Carson, Exegetical Fallacies, pp. 26-32; 51-52 Baker Book House, 1994)
Kittel (Volume IX, page 135) states that the reason for using a synonym may
be just to relax the strict parallelism in the 3 questions by Jesus and the
answers by Peter. John uses the words "AGAPAW" and "FILEW" synonymously
throughtout his gospel. (See Kittel, Volume IX, page 130, note #167)
Other examples of the overlapping useage of these words can be seen in the
following examples also:
(a) II Samuel 13 (LXX) - "AGAPAW" and "AGAPH" refering to Annon's incest
and rape of Tamar. This definitely is not an example the word meaning
"unconditional" or "higher level" of love.
(b) II Timothy 4:10 - Demas loved this present, evil world. Verb used is
AGAPAW. Another example of AGAPAW not inherently conveying the idea of
"unconditional" love.
(c) John 3:35 (AGAPAW) and John 5:20 (FILEW) - the idea of the Father's
love for the Son is stated with different verbs without differences in
meaning.
(These examples are taken from D.A. Carson, Exegetical Fallacies, p. 30,
Baker Book House, 1994)
These examples I think show that John's choice of "AGAPAW" and "FILEW" were
synonyms and nothing more.
May I offer the following analogy as to what I think was going on with
John's choice of words in the conversation with Jesus and Peter:
Pat asks Eric if he has a dozen eggs.
Eric replies that he has 12 eggs.
Pat asks Eric a second time if he has a dozen eggs.
Eric replies that he has 12 eggs.
Pat asks for the third time if Eric has 12 eggs.
Eric answers that he has 12 eggs.
The change of "dozen" with "12" does not alter the meaning of this
conversation. It is only an example of the word "dozen" being replaced by
a synonym, "12".
One last coment. The phrase "LEGEI AUTW TO TRITON", "for the third time",
supports parallel meaning. Jesus is saying that he is saying the same
thing (not something different) for the third time.
This is my first posting on this digest. I am a self taught student of
Biblical Greek. My knowledge of this subject is lacking greatly, but my
desire to learn more than makes up for it. I pray that with this knowledge
comes the sharing of it with those that do not know our Lord and Savior,
Jesus Christ.
(Can anyone help me with keyboard equivalents of the Greek fonts. I know
w=omega and o=omnicron, but what about sigma and final sigma? Thanks)
In His love,
Pat Brennan
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From: David Scholer <dscholer@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:09:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: NT hymns
On October 28 Edgar M. Krentz posted an excellent bibliography on NT
hymns (in general). I have finally gotten to assimilating this material
into my own and discover that I have 12 items to add to the bibliography.
Bichsel, M. A. "Hymns, Early Christian," ABD (1992), III, 350-51.
Burn, A. E. "Hymns," Dictionary of the Apostolic Church (ed. J. Hastings;
Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark/New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1915), 590-91.
Danker, F. W. Creeds in the Bible. (Biblical Monographs.) St. Louis:
Concordia, 1966.
Kelly, J. N. D. "Credal Elements in the New Testament," Chapter I in
Early Christian Creeds (2d ed.; London: Longmans, 1960), 1-29 [this
probably has an American publisher, too].
Martin, R. P. "Hymns, Hymn Fragments, Songs, Spiritual Songs," Dictionary
of Paul and His Letters (ed. G. F. Hawthorne and R. P. Martin; Downers
Grove/Leicester: InterVarsity, 1993), 419-23.
Martin, R. P. "Hymns in the NT," ISBE II (2d ed.; ed. G. W. Bromiley;
Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans, 1982), 788-90.
Martin, R. P. "Hymns in the New Testament: An Evolving Pattern of Worship
Responses," Ex Auditu 8 (1992), 33-44.
Shepherd, M. H., Jr. "Hymns," IDB (1962), 2, 667-668.
Stanley, D. M. "'Carmenque Christo Quasi Deo Dicere...'," Catholic
Biblical Quarterly 20 (1958), 173-91.
Stanley, D. M. "The Divinity of Christ in Hymns of the New Testament,"
Proceedings of the Fourth Annual Convention of the Society of Catholic
College Teachers of Sacred Doctrine (1958), 12-29.
Stauffer, E. New Testament Theology. Trans. J. Marsh. London: SCM, 1955
[pp. 233-57 "The Creeds of the Primitive Church;" pp. 338-39 "Twelve
Criteria of Creedal Formulae in the New Testament"].
David M. Scholer
Fuller Theological Seminary
Pasadena, CA 91182
818-584-5288
dscholer@netcom.com
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From: "Patrick J. Brennan" <brennanp@cts.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:35:42 -0800
Subject: RE: John 21:15-17
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:26:35 +0400
>To: "Patrick J. Brennan" <brennanp@cts.com>
>From: winberyc@linknet.net (Carlton L. Winbery)
>Subject: RE: John 21:15-17
>
>>On Nov. 8th, 1995 Eric Vaughan wrote:
>>
>>I was discussing this passage with someone a good while ago, and I'd like
>>to know what you think. Jesus asks Simon, "AGAPAS ME" But Simon answers,
>>"FILW SE" This happens twice and then Jesus finally asks the question
>>Simon had been answering, "FILEIS ME;" Is this a deliberate refusal to
>>answer Jesus' question on Simon's part (and why) or do you think that
>>John's recount of the story is not very careful and this difference has
>>little significance? I understand the symbolism of Simon's three
>>confessions of love after denying Christ three times, but why would he only
>>half answer Jesus' question? Is the difference John's fault or Simon's?
>>
>>I also have the same question about "BOSKA/POIMAINE TA ARNIA/PROBATA MOU"
>>
>>Omission<
>
>>These examples I think show that John's choice of "AGAPAW" and "FILEW" were
>>synonyms and nothing more.
>>
>I would add to this conclusion and the example from John 5 where FILEW is
>used where those who see a discinction between AGAPAW and FILEW, that there
>are several other examples of that in John (I do not have a concordance
>with me). I would also raise the question of what language Jesus was
>speaking with his disciples. Does anyone know if such a distinction could
>be made in Aramaic? I know that in Deilistch's translation of the NT into
>Hebrew, he uses only one word for love in this passage.
>
>Concerning the transliteration of the omega, we usually use w, and do not
>show the final sigma. We have had several post on this lately so the
>archive may be helpful here.
>
>Carlton Winbery
>Prof. Religion
>LA College,
>Pineville, La
>winberyc@linknet.net
>fax 318 442 4996
>
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From: Mike Adams <mikadams@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:39:24 -0800
Subject: RE: John 21:15-17
Eric Vaughn wrote:
>I was discussing this passage with someone a good while ago, and I'd like
>to know what you think. Jesus asks Simon, "AGAPAS ME" But Simon answers,
>"FILW SE" This happens twice and then Jesus finally asks the question
>Simon had been answering, "FILEIS ME;" Is this a deliberate refusal to
>answer Jesus' question on Simon's part (and why) or do you think that
>John's recount of the story is not very careful and this difference has
>little significance? I understand the symbolism of Simon's three
>confessions of love after denying Christ three times, but why would he only
>half answer Jesus' question? Is the difference John's fault or Simon's?
Patrick Brennen in response cited Carson's "Exegetical Fallacies" proposing
that agapaw and philew were synonyms, and nothing more. Bible teachers often
enjoy contrasting the two verbs, making as I agree, too strong a
distinction. Many define agapaw as loving with pure and altruistic motive.
But agapaw can also refer to a love for things that are worldly or even
ungodly. II Tim 4:10 which Pat cited is a good example. Might I add that I
John 2:15, "Love not the world..." is a pointless statement if agapH
strictly means a godly affection. However, agapaw and philew are two
different words; the distinction between the two should neither be
overstressed nor ignored. As agapaw is used far more frequently in the New
Testament, I would assume it is a much broader, more commonly used term than
philew. It also appears to imply a love encompassing strong motivation, just
as the word "love" in English expresses a stronger emotion or commitment
than the word "like". Philew seems to imply a concept of affection or
fondness in its meaning. In a given context whether agapaw or philew are
used, the denotation might be the same, but the connotation may be somewhat
different.
This is why professional writers are careful when choosing between one of
two or more acceptable synonyms. They select the word whose connotation and
denotation best express the intended meaning. Of course, at other times
their choice is merely variation (or repition) for stylistic flow.
None of us can say for certain whether John varied his usage in chapter 21
for stylistic or definitive reasons. One can look at other incidents of
these two words in John's writing (and they are frequent) for further
insight. Personally, I think the variation was for the purpose of contrast,
rather than just for style. However, as a friend pointed out, if the
original conversation between Jesus and Peter were in Hebrew (or Arameic),
as some would contend, we are splitting hairs over nothing.
Ellen
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