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b-greek-digest Monday, 4 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 029
In this issue:
Word Order Ephesians 1:1
===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles
fonts
===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles
Re: Word Order Ephesians 1:1
Re: fonts
Phone no. to order LS&J
Re:Luke 4:4 Byzantine text vs Alexandrian text
Re: fonts
Re: Textual Problems in Mark 7:24, 28
Text of the Apostolic Fathers
Re: Phone no. to order LS&J
Re: Josephus
Re: Textual Problems in Mark 7:24, 28
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: rrilea <rrilea@cnw.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:24:33 -0800
Subject: Word Order Ephesians 1:1
The following is found in Ephesians 1:1. I am courious as to why the
difference in word order between the N26 and TR Greek manuscripts in the
following phrases:
paulov apostolov cristou ihsou (N26)
paulov apostolov ihsou cristou (TR)
What major effect on translation might this difference have if any?
Rod Rilea
------------------------------
From: karen@uni.masey.ac.nz, feldman@rentwes.org.nz, rjames@otego.ac.nz, hharris@earthlite.co.nz, joshua@atc.co.nz, samuels@uni.masey.ac.nz, chen@rentwest.org.nz, chiu@earthlite.co.nz, wind@atc.co.nz, susans@uni.masey.ac.nz, gregor@rentwes.org.nz, ellen@otego.ac.nz, gfos@earthlite.co.nz, trens@atc.co.nz, jimt@uni.masey.ac.nz, fharile@rentwes.org.nz, relson@otego.ac.nz, jnels@earthlite.co.nz, sarap@atc.co.nz, "Association of International\ Students, Executive Board of Directors, New Zealand Chapter" <gspelling@earthlite.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 00:53:04 +1000
Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles
- -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.
You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
the info request form below.
IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.
Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if
your fax:
1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day, but due to thousands of
inquiries coming in per week from potential new members living overseas,
the easiest time to get through is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New York
Time). If you have trouble getting through to their fax, just drop the
below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
718-967-1550 in the USA
or via smail (airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center
Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
PO Box 990
Staten Island NY 10312-0990
Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :)
Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:
How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by Karen Stern.
120495-l
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:
Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):
*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*
Catalogue Format Options:
1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you
must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this
version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
to deal with this option.
3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You
just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
(unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut
your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in
option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
able to do.
4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who
has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
#2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.
Hi fellow 'netters,
My name is Karen Stern and I recently started using a magazine subscription
club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your
first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over
1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of
a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most
every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.
Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price
guarantee.
Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.
They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.
They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.
They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.
They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.
The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.
He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.
He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.
Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.
Sincerely,
Karen Stern
ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.
------------------------------
From: drmills@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 07:24:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: fonts
I am sorry to raise a question which may have been answered earlier. I
recenlty installed the koine font from Zondervan. The final sigma works
fine with the Write program, but it does not work with Microsoft Word. Is
this font the same as Bill Mounce's font? If so, what needs to be done
to fix it. It seems I read something about that earlier.
===========================
David R. Mills
drmills@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Applied English Center
University of Kansas
------------------------------
From: karen@uni.masey.ac.nz, feldman@rentwes.org.nz, rjames@otego.ac.nz, hharris@earthlite.co.nz, joshua@atc.co.nz, samuels@uni.masey.ac.nz, chen@rentwest.org.nz, chiu@earthlite.co.nz, wind@atc.co.nz, susans@uni.masey.ac.nz, gregor@rentwes.org.nz, ellen@otego.ac.nz, gfos@earthlite.co.nz, trens@atc.co.nz, jimt@uni.masey.ac.nz, fharile@rentwes.org.nz, relson@otego.ac.nz, jnels@earthlite.co.nz, sarap@atc.co.nz, "Association of International\ Students, Executive Board of Directors, New Zealand Chapter" <gspelling@earthlite.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:43:40 +1000
Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles
- -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.
You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
the info request form below.
IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.
Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if
your fax:
1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE: Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day, but due to thousands of
inquiries coming in per week from potential new members living overseas,
the easiest time to get through is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New York
Time). If you have trouble getting through to their fax, just drop the
below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
718-967-1550 in the USA
or via smail (airmail) to: Magazine Club Inquiry Center
Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
PO Box 990
Staten Island NY 10312-0990
Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :)
Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:
How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by Karen Stern.
120495-l
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:
Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):
*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*
Catalogue Format Options:
1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you
must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this
version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
to deal with this option.
3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You
just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
(unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut
your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in
option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
able to do.
4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who
has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
#2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.
Hi fellow 'netters,
My name is Karen Stern and I recently started using a magazine subscription
club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your
first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over
1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a
subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of
a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most
every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.
Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price
guarantee.
Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.
They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.
They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.
They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.
They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.
The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.
He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.
He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.
Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.
Sincerely,
Karen Stern
ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.
------------------------------
From: Mike Adams <mikadams@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 06:55:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Word Order Ephesians 1:1
You wrote:
>
>The following is found in Ephesians 1:1. I am courious as to why the
>difference in word order between the N26 and TR Greek manuscripts in
the
>following phrases:
>
>paulov apostolov cristou ihsou (N26)
>
>paulov apostolov ihsou cristou (TR)
>
I quote Metzger's "Text of the N.T." (3rd ed, p 192)
"The category of errors of the mind includes those variations which
seem to have arisen while the copyist was holding a clause or a
sequence of letters in his...memory between the glance at the
manuscript to be copied and the writing down of what he saw there. In
this way one must account for the origin of a multitude of changes
involving the substition of synonyms, variation in the order of
words..."
>What major effect on translation might this difference have if any?
None that I know of.
Ellen Adams
------------------------------
From: "B-GREEK Conference @ omaccess.com" <XINCLXB-GREEK@omaccess.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 12:19:31 EDT
Subject: Re: fonts
Hello David,
Turn smart quotes "off" and this solves the problem in both Word and
WordPerfect with the ending sigma. That should solve your problem.
In Christ,
Theo
theo@omaccess.com
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
I am sorry to raise a question which may have been answered earlier. I
recenlty installed the koine font from Zondervan. The final sigma works
fine with the Write program, but it does not work with Microsoft Word. Is
this font the same as Bill Mounce's font? If so, what needs to be done
to fix it. It seems I read something about that earlier.
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From: Stephen Carlson <scc@reston.icl.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 11:00:29 EST
Subject: Phone no. to order LS&J
I understand that there is a discount offer if the Liddel, Scott and
Jones lexicon is ordered before the end of the year. It would be much
appreciated if a list member could post (or email) how to order it.
Stephen Carlson
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------------------------------
From: "Maurice A. O'Sullivan" <mauros@iol.ie>
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 18:51:36 +0000
Subject: Re:Luke 4:4 Byzantine text vs Alexandrian text
rlb4651@televar.com wrote on Sat, 2 Dec 1995 22:40:17 -0800
re Luke 4:4 Byzantine text vs Alexandrian text
>Why are the Words "but by every word of God" omitted from the NIV version
>of Luke 4:4 in the New Testament?
[snip]
>Does the Codex Sinaiticus omit the phrase "but by every word of God" in
Luke 4:4?
Yes.
As Fitzmyer, in the Anchor Bible commentary (vol. 28) puts it:
4:4 The devil is rebuffed with the use of Dt. 8:3, quoted in a form
resembling the LXX, which follows the MT closely. Some MSS of Luke ( A, D,
Theta, the Koine text-tradition ) add " but on every word of God ". This
addition comes from a scribal harmonisation of the Lucan text with Mt. 4:4,
the best mss. of which read: " but on every word coming from the mouth of
God" as in Dt. 8:3 (LXX). The addition in some Lucan has been made less
anthromorphic."
[ What he means here is that some have " in every word of God " and others
have " concerning every word coming from the mouth of God " ]
Fitzmyer goes on:
" But the longer quotation is undoubtedly not original to "Q"; it has been
added because of a Wisdom motif prominent in the Matthean Gospel, in which
Jesus is more clearly portrayd as the wise teacher in Israel who feeds his
disciples with his wisdom ( see Pr. 9:1-5;Sir. 24:19-27; Ws. 16:26)"
Metzger's Textual Commentary to UBS3 says:
" The shortest reading, which has good and early support, must be original;"
adding: " If any of the longer forms of text had been original its omission
from
Aleph, B, L, W etc etc would be unaccountable "
Regards,
Maurice
Maurice A. O'Sullivan [ Bray, Ireland ]
mauros@iol.ie
[using Eudora Pro v 2.1.2 ]
------------------------------
From: Bill Mounce <billm@teknia.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:13:48 -0700
Subject: Re: fonts
>I am sorry to raise a question which may have been answered earlier. I
>recently installed the koine font from Zondervan. The final sigma works
>fine with the Write program, but it does not work with Microsoft Word. Is
>this font the same as Bill Mounce's font? If so, what needs to be done
>to fix it. It seems I read something about that earlier.
If your word processor has SMART QUOTES turned on, then whenever you press
" (straight quotes), it will shift it to OPTION-[ or OPTION-{ (on the Mac).
Most word processors have a key combination so that you can turn smart
quotes off for any one keystroke while leaving it on most of the time.
Bill Mounce
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Spokane, WA 99218-2911
Internet: billm@teknia.com (preferred)
AOL: Mounce
CIS: 71540,2140 (please, only if necessary)
"It may be Greek to you, but it is life to me."
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:46:59 +0800
Subject: Re: Textual Problems in Mark 7:24, 28
Isn't it circular to argue that since Mark doesn't use nai, Mark didn't use
nai?
Ken Litwaak
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:55:53 +0800
Subject: Text of the Apostolic Fathers
I have two questions regarding the t4text of the AP. Is
Lightfoot's version considered adequate for scholarly use
(I hsve to prepare chapters to sight-translate) or do I need to get the Loeb
edition? Also, can anyone explain to me why Lightfoot's version seems to use
a font set thatis so very different from what we see in printed Greek texts
these days? It's taking some getting used to to read c as a sigma.
Thanks.
Ken Litwak
GTU
Bezerkley, CA
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From: "James D. Ernest" <ernest@mv.mv.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:08:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Phone no. to order LS&J
I have sent Stephen the information he needs.
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Manchester, New Hampshire, USA Andover-Newton/Boston College
Internet: ernest@mv.mv.com Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:06:28 -0600
Subject: Re: Josephus
At 2:15 PM 12/4/95, James Kuiper wrote:
>Carl,
>
>I couldn't find Josephus on the three sites you referred me to.
>They were sure swell anyway.
I finally found it! (Actually I didn't find it but found a reference to a
site that has it on Ioudaios-L):
http://wesley.nnc.edu/noncanon.htm
A terrific site with text (in English translation, of course) of all the
major extra-canonical works of both OT and NT. And there's an e-text of ALL
of Josephus here. Now, if we could only find the same for Philo!
Two other sites people might find useful; Ken L. was asking about Apostolic
Fathers; they may be found at
ftp://iclnet93.iclnet.org/pub/resources/christian-history.html
(Note that this is an FTP site, but it's a neatly readable hyper-text
document that is clear as a bell in Netscape!)
Still another site some people might find interesting to know about, one
offering the entire set of Nag Hammadi documents in e-text (again, of
course, in translation, not Coptic), as well as other major Gnostic texts:
http://www.oslonett.no/~noetic/libe.htm
If one doesn't mind reading from a screen, one could access most of the
sources for the study of Hellenistic and early Christian religion on the
net now!
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: Carlton Winbery <winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:25:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Textual Problems in Mark 7:24, 28
Ken Litwak wrote;
> Isn't it circular to argue that since Mark doesn't use nai, Mark didn't use
>nai?
Yes, if that were the argument. But the mention of the fact that NAI is
present more often in Matt. than in Mk. speaks only to style which is only
one consideration. The major consideration in Mark 7 is harmonization.
Carlton Winbery
Prof. Religion
LA College,
Pineville,La
winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net
fax (318) 442-4996
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