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b-greek-digest          Wednesday, 13 December 1995    Volume 01 : Number 044

In this issue:

        Re:  Participles
        Re: 1 John 3:6&9 
        John 5:39-40

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From: Richard Lindeman <richlind@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:38:20 -0800
Subject: Re:  Participles

You wrote: 
>
>
>Rich:
>
>Here's my view of participles and how to teach them to beginners.  The first
>time I had to teach participles, I was thouroughly dissatisfied with the
>beginning grammars I had at my disposal.  I reviewed Smyth's description of
>participles and then taugtht that participles can be either
>
>  functioning as a adjective (the one who teaches) or substantive (noun)
>  supplementary to the main verb, completing the thought, especially 
following
>     kinds of verbs (Smyth has an extensive list that I don't want to 
attempt
>     from memory)
>  adverbial clause, either time related or causational
>  genitive absolute
>
>You may already know what Smyth says about supplementary stuff, but if you
>don't, I recommend it.  I found it very helpful, and I don't think koine is
>different from classical here.  
>
>Here's my view of participles and how to teach them to beginners.  The first
>time I had to teach participles, I was thouroughly dissatisfied with the
>beginning grammars I had at my disposal.  I reviewed Smyth's description of
>participles and then taugtht that participles can be either

>  functioning as a adjective (the one who teaches) or substantive (noun)
>  supplementary to the main verb, completing the thought, especially 
following
>     kinds of verbs (Smyth has an extensive list that I don't want to 
attempt
>     from memory)
>  adverbial clause, either time related or causational
>  genitive absolute

>You may already know what Smyth says about supplementary stuff, but if you
>don't, I recommend it.  I found it very helpful, and I don't think koine is
>different from classical here.  

>Peace.

>Karen Pitts

This year is my first experience of teaching Greek and so I appreciate 
your thoughts here.  No, I have not read Smyth.  But what you suggest 
above actually sounds like it fits fairly closely with what I ended up 
adopting with my first class of Greek students.  Here is what I 
presented as the uses of the participle:

Attributive (Adjectival use of participle)
Substantive (Noun use of participle)
Circumstantial(Adverbial use of participle)
    - Genitive Absolute (a sub-category)
Supplemental(Verbal use of participle)
    - Periphrastic (a sub-category)

Under the category of *Supplemental* I encouraged students to include
all participles which: 
1. Follow the verb they modify 
2. Have more of a verbal rather than an adverbial force and
3. Have a general sense of supplementing the meaning of the 
   verb they are modifying
4. If the main verb is eimi or exw,  then to call it *periphrastic*

As for *Circumstantial* participles I described them as participles 
which:
1. Normally precede and anticipate the meaning of the main verb, but    
sometimes follow the verb they modify
2. Have more of an adverbial force with relation to the main verb
3. Can be translated with any number of adverbial senses

If I have misled the students with these distinctions in any way
please let me know.  However, in my own defense, I have not found the 
grammars to be totally uniform - especially when it comes to the 
category of "Supplemental".

Rich Lindeman
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From: Jim Stamper <jstamper@globalcom.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 20:40:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 1 John 3:6&9 

At 11:21 AM 12/11/95 -0800, Dale Wheeler wrote:

>If you want to see a very nice discussion of this issue, there is an
>appendix in Buist Fanning's EXCELLENT book on Greek Verbs, _Verbal_Aspect_.
>He will take you through the various positions both grammatical and
>theological.  He ends up agreeing with Marshall, et.al.

Could you confirm that author and title, Dale?  My wife tried today to order
it for me for Christmas and tells me she had trouble locating it.  

Jim-

James H. Stamper
PO Box 666
Woodstock, VA 22664
(540)459-2720


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From: MIRKOVA1@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:51:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: John 5:39-40

I am not sure if this can help, but Peshitto has "V" in both places where
in Greek there is KAI.

Alexander Mirkovic, Ph.D. student in New Testament and Early Christianity
Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee.
e-mail: mirkova1@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

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