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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:17:32 +0800
Subject: I Sam 1 questions
First, on the KJV and Dt 6, I believe the word in question is PERIKUKLWi
(why it's dative I don't know). LSJM say it means "round about". That sounds
like they borrowed this definition from the KJV, rather than offering an
actual definition. Even if they didn't, that's a gloss if I'ver ever seen one.
Now, I've noticed in 1 Sam 1 that the translator often transliterates
divine titles, rather than translating them like KURION SABAWQ. I'm wondering
if list members think the LXX in these cases whold similarly be transliterated
(and this makes me doubt the Hebrew knowledge of the LXX translator, along
with other things he/she did) or whether it is preferable to render words
like ELWAI and SABAWQ with a real translation of the Hebrew word?
In 1 Sam 1:8, we read hINA TI. Dana and Mantey says this regularly
means "why?", though I think it could very reasonably be taken to mean
"what's the matter, so that you....". Would this be the geerally
accepted view, that it means "Why?" ?
Also in the same verse, Elkana says OUK AGAQOS EGW SOIhUPER DEKA TEKNA.
Now I understand this to be a comparision, but I would have expected
KREITTWN and I am not aware that hUPER means "more than". Am I missing sommething
here? First, this shows me the translator didn't understand MiN very well as it
regularly is used for "more than" or other comparitive and is translating
in an overly wooden way, and second, why not a preposition
or something that actually means "more than", like EPANW?
Finally, I'm struggling with 1:6 TA PEWRI (typo) PERI THN MHTRAN
AUTHS. LSJM and BAGD both say MHTHR means mother but that doesn't
make sense here. So I'm wondering if the alternate meaning of "source"
should be used or if we should render it as "motherhood", even though no one gives
that as the correct translation? In looking at BHS, I even wonder if
the translator had a different text because I can't see how he/she could have
totten (typo) gotten MHTRAN from RXM.
Thanks.
Ken Litwak
GTU
Bezerkley, CA
P.S.,
If you don't care about LXX issues, never fear. My Greek exam is in
six days. After that, I'll be too busy reading the DSS in Heberw to worry
about the LXX.
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:29:54 -0500
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From: Michal Hirschberger <michal23@netquandry.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:29:54 -0500
Subject: FAQ 23 / *STOP*......... before you buy another over-priced USA magazine at the store or by subscription! GET A WHOLE YEAR FREE!
- -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
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must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this
version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
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~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You
just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
(unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut
your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in
option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
able to do.
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has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
#2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.
Hi fellow 'netters,
My name is Michal Hirschberger and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.
Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price
guarantee.
Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge. They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business! Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.
They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.
They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.
They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA. They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.
They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now. Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.
The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.
He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.
He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.
Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.
Sincerely,
Michal Hirschberger
ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion. Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join. I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.
------------------------------
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:47:35 -0600
Subject: Re: I Sam 1 questions
I'm writing a response that I have no business writing, inasmuch as I'm at
home and without a text of the LXX or of the BHS either.
On 1/26/96, Kenneth Litwak wrote:
> First, on the KJV and Dt 6, I believe the word in question is PERIKUKLWi
> (why it's dative I don't know). LSJM say it means "round about". That sounds
> like they borrowed this definition from the KJV, rather than offering an
> actual definition. Even if they didn't, that's a gloss if I'ver ever
>seen one.
I still don't know where this is--I don't have a KJV handy either, only an
NEB, but it looks like you might have read that PERI KUKLWi in Dt 6.15
where the references is to "gods of the nations that are around you." If
so, then I still don't see your problem: PERI is adverbial here and KUKLWi
is an instrumental dative, so that it could be translated "around in a
circle." If KJV has "round about" and LSJM have "round about," that doesn't
mean LSJM got it from KJV (although it could conceivably be a long-lasting
influence of the English of the KJV) but rather that the English idiom that
still best expresses the sense of PERI KUKLWi is "round about." You may
call it a "gloss" if you wish, but what you're being given is the idiomatic
English equivalent.
> Now, I've noticed in 1 Sam 1 that the translator often transliterates
You've read pretty rapidly, Ken, all the way from Deuteronomy 6 to 1 Samuel
in a couple days!
> divine titles, rather than translating them like KURION SABAWQ. I'm wondering
> if list members think the LXX in these cases would similarly be transliterated
> (and this makes me doubt the Hebrew knowledge of the LXX translator, along
> with other things he/she did) or whether it is preferable to render words
> like ELWAI and SABAWQ with a real translation of the Hebrew word?
By "the translator" I assume you mean the LXX translator, not the KJV
translator. Don't we often in the English versions also keep a word like
SABAOTH or ELWAI? My guess, however (and it is only a guess; I've read a
fair amount of LXX but not studied it), is that it is the
by-then-established Jewish reverence for the name of God (such as even
makes one say "ha Shem" instead of pronouncing "Yahweh") that accounts for
the transliteration of ELWAI and SABAWQ and the conversion of YHWH to the
Greek KURIOS which represents the Hebrew word "Adonai" which is
_pronounced_ when the word YHWH is encountered in the Hebrew text.
> In 1 Sam 1:8, we read hINA TI. Dana and Mantey says this regularly
> means "why?", though I think it could very reasonably be taken to mean
> "what's the matter, so that you....". Would this be the geerally
> accepted view, that it means "Why?" ?
Ken, I thought we went over (a thread, infact) the matter of hINA TI pretty
thoroughly when you raised it a couple weeks ago with regard to your
problem in the Didache. It's pretty well established that the two words
have become a single phrase meaning "for what?/why?"--and I argued that the
hINA certainly appears to have taken on the function of the preposition DIA
in the phrase. At any rate, the hINA TI is exactly the same here as it was
in the Didache passage.
> Also in the same verse, Elkana says OUK AGAQOS EGW SOI hUPER DEKA TEKNA.
> Now I understand this to be a comparision, but I would have expected
> KREITTWN and I am not aware that hUPER means "more than". Am I missing
>something
> here? First, this shows me the translator didn't understand MiN very
>well as it
> regularly is used for "more than" or other comparitive and is translating
> in an overly wooden way, and second, why not a preposition
> or something that actually means "more than", like EPANW?
This is in fact another Semitism and it looks to me like the Greek probably
follows the Hebrew idiom very closely. I think you're right that the
translator doesn't know literary Greek very well: he's clearly THINKING in
Hebrew when he writes Greek. I'd think that the hUPER here means "over and
above." And Hebrew doesn't really have the comparative form that Greek has
but expresses the comparison with the different construction. As I noted
the other day, I've personally found the old Conybeare & Stock grammatical
introduction to their Selections from the LXX (Zondervan has published that
intro separately, I think, under the title of "LXX Grammar" or something
like it) very useful. They go over the more common circumlocutions used by
the LXX translators for Hebrew idioms very nicely, and as I recall, the use
of hUPER is one of them.
> Finally, I'm struggling with 1:6 TA PEWRI (typo) PERI THN MHTRAN
> AUTHS. LSJM and BAGD both say MHTHR means mother but that doesn't
> make sense here. So I'm wondering if the alternate meaning of "source"
> should be used or if we should render it as "motherhood", even though no
>one gives
> that as the correct translation? In looking at BHS, I even wonder if
> the translator had a different text because I can't see how he/she could have
> totten (typo) gotten MHTRAN from RXM.
It's a different word altogether: hH MHTRA (obviously a cognate of MHTHR)
means "womb."
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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