From: Dave Haggard (dave.haggard@mci.com)
Date: Thu Jul 25 1996 - 17:26:50 EDT
So, have I been off all this time (Welcome the newcomer!)?
I understand EIS to mean not only "against," but as often as not, "into" or "unto" (which can be understood as connected with "against.") Using "into" here would convey the meaning proposed by Grams. Speaking "into" Christ, such as in confessing Him, would make perfect sense in this passage by his interpretation.
If context matters, Grams proposal makes perfect sense.
Rev. Dave Haggard
Tom's Kids Ministries
Colorado Springs, CO
renegade@rmii.com
If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. -- Isaiah 7:9
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From: Carlton L. Winbery[SMTP:winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 1996 5:40 AM
To: James H. Vellenga
Cc: b-greek@virginia.edu
Subject: Re: Luke 12:10
James H. Vellenga responded to Jeffery W Grams writes (excerpted):
>> Luke 12:10
>> I would like to propose the following translation of the passage on the
>> basis of the greek text and the context of the passage...
>>
>> "And anyone who will speak a word to the Son of man, he will be forgiven,
>> but he who toward the Holy Spirit blasphemes, he will not be forgiven."
>>
>> I would like to understand the construction of EREI LOGON EIS TON UION
>> TOU ANTHROPOU in the sense of "to speak a word to" = "to confess"...
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The strong advantage of this transation (to my mind) is that it not only
>> does not set up an opposition between the Son of Man and the Holy Spirit,
>> it also continues the flow of arguement that is seen in verses 8 & 9
>> where Jesus says plainly that if we confess him he will confess us, and
>> if we deny him he will deny us... Strangely enough, modern translations
>> tend to translate the EIS exclusively as "against" which does not fit
>> well into the context...
>>
>> ...
>
>I find this intriguing. Although I have to admit not having done a
>thorough study of EIS, is it possible even to translate EIS positively as
>"for" rather than "against":
>
> "And anyone who will speak a word for (in favor of) the Son of man
> ..."
1 Cor. 16:1 PERI THS LOGEIAS THS EIS TOUS hAGIOUS . . .
"Concerning the offering for the saints . . .
Just because it can does not mean that it is. If a person speaks a word
for the S of M, why does he need forgiveness?
Carlton L. Winbery
Prof. Religion
LA College, Pineville, La
winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net
winbery@andria.lacollege.edu
winbrow@aol.com
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