RE: Ephesians ~ Present Perfect

From: Bill Ross (wross@farmerstel.com)
Date: Tue Apr 27 1999 - 18:32:58 EDT

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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=80105619-27041999>{Bill}</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=80105619-27041999>I
*really* want to put this thing to bed, but it is so interesting and instructive
that I can't seem to do it. (This is how the book of Job got so
long).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>{<SPAN class=80105619-27041999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Carl}</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>And that is that this is a PRESENT PERFECT tense form;&nbsp;<SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=80105619-27041999></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=80105619-27041999>{Bill}</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=80105619-27041999>Is this
to be distinguished from the PERFECT?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=80105619-27041999>{Carl}</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>That's my point: you cannot isolate the ESTE from SESWiSMENOI and deem it
to have a meaning in the Greek here all by itself. It just doesn't have that
meaning by itself; it has it only in conjunction with the participle.<SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=80105619-27041999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>{Bill}</FONT>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=80105619-27041999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>SESWiSMENOI&nbsp;without ESTE is grammatically incorrect because the
proper form includes EIMI, because of the awkward morphology of conjugating it
without it? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=80105619-27041999></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=80105619-27041999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>SESWiSMENOI&nbsp;without ESTE is sort of like saying "you saved"
&nbsp;when you mean "you are saved"&nbsp;(but in Greek should be "you&nbsp;are
been saved")?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=80105619-27041999></SPAN><SPAN
class=80105619-27041999></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I<SPAN
class=80105619-27041999>&nbsp; think&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;getting
it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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