From: Joe A. Friberg (JoeFriberg@email.msn.com)
Date: Sun Oct 10 1999 - 22:52:27 EDT
----- Original Message -----
From: David A Bielby <dbielby@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:22 PM
> Thanks for the reply. What do you think then of translating this as an
> infinitive (NIV does this)? What are the grounds for that approach?
"the work of God is this: to believe in..."
The infinitive may make the action of believing more punctiliar, less
continuative. Another alternative occurs to me, which clearly conveys the
continuative:
"the work of God is this: believing in the one he has sent"
Joe F.
>
> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:52:37 -0500 "Joe A. Friberg"
> <JoeFriberg@email.msn.com> writes:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David A Bielby <dbielby@juno.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 3:29 PM
> >
> >
> > > Jn 6:29b
> > > hINA PISTEUHTE EIS hON APESTEILEN EKEINOS
> > >
> > > I'm translating the conjunction and the Present Active Subjunctive
> > > functionally as 'to believe'. My questions are: Is there not a
> > continuous
> > > sense in this phrase...and if so, how can we bring that out
> > without being
> > > awkward in the translation?? Doesn't it seem that the english
> > tends to
> > > lose that continuous state connotation? How can we adjust for
> > that?
> >
> > I would agree that this phrase is not *purpose*, but the definition
> > of TO
> > ERGON TOU QEOU.
> >
> > As to the translation:
> >
> > "that you believe" is the plain vanilla version; the construction
> > ('that'-phrase) carries with it a bit of the subjunctive idea, and
> > the pres.
> > tns. 'believe' carries some of the continuative idea. This transl.
> > also
> > allows for the inceptive notion, which is lacking in phrases like
> > 'continue
> > to believe. Is this phrase too light on the continuative idea??
> > Believe
> > itself generally carries a continuative character; if we mean a
> > one-time
> > believe which is very short lived, we have to specify that.
> >
> > Nevertheless, consider this alternative:
> > "that you have faith"
> > This might be stronger on the continuative notion, but should
> > probably be
> > rejected because it is less active (believe is nominalized).
> >
> > >
> > > Could it be translated "to always believe" or something like this?
> >
> > Assumes too much--presses the continuative aspect too far. I think
> > the
> > continuation as a principle/mode of one's life is the intent, but
> > this would
> > not be negated by momentary lapses (as might be implied by "always
> > blieve").
> >
> > God Bless!
> >
> > Joe A. Friberg
> > Arlington, Texas
> > JoeFriberg@alumni.utexas.net
> > MA Linguistics
> > MA Theology candidate
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> David Bielby
> Vineyard Christian Fellowship
> Bloomington/Normal, Illinois USA
> dbielby@juno.com www.bloomington.vineyard.org
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