From: Jason Hare (parousia_occ@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Apr 11 2000 - 16:45:15 EDT
Carl,
I asked my Greek professor about this verse this
morning and from what I can gather, it seems to be
in-line with the qualifications. The difference is as
to whether or not to think of KURIOU as a part of his
proper name. I do not think that this is the case and
my professor thinks the same. My reasoning is this:
Titus 2:13
EPIFANEIAN THS DOXHS TOU MEGALOU QEOU KAI SWTHROS
hHMWN IHSOU CRISTOU
"... of the great God and Savior of us, Jesus Christ"
2 Peter 1:1
DIKAIOSUNH TOU QEOU hHMWN KAI SWTHROS IHSOU CRISTOU
"... of the God of us and Savior, Jesus Christ"
2 Thessalonians 1:12
THN CARIN TOU QEOU hHMWN KAI KURIOU IHSOU CRISTOU
"... of the God of us and Lord, Jesus Christ"
I know that you will disagree that KURIOS is a title,
rather than part of his proper name, but support for
this is found even within this very verse. Read
earlier:
hOPWS ENDOXASQHi TO ONOMA TOU KURIOU hHMWN IHSOU EN
hUMIN
"... the name of the Lord of us, Jesus"
If it is here used as a title, why should it be
thought otherwise in the very next phrase where it
would make sense to be?
I am not attempting to offer up a strong defense for
this view, it just seems that there is good reason for
not taking KURIOS as a proper name. It fits the
construction mold (TSKS) and seems very clearly to be
of this construction type.
Jason Hare
--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
wrote:
> At 5:01 AM -0700 4/11/00, Jason Hare wrote:
> >Do you think that 2 Thess 1:12 is an example of
> >Granville Sharp's Rule? Just wanting to see what
> you
> >all think.
>
> hOPWS ENDOXASQHi TO ONOMA TOU KURIOU hHMWN IHSOU EN
> hUMIN, KAI hUMEIS EN
> AUTWi, KATA THN CARIN TOU QEOU hHMWN KAI KURIOU
> IHSOU CRISTOU.
>
> I would say it is not, because KURIOU IHSOU CRISTOU
> is a personal name. I
> cite Dale Wheeler's helpful syntax notes from
> AcCordance:
>
> II. Granville-Sharp's Construction:
> A. Definition: The Article-Noun-kai—-Noun
> Construction: involves Granville
> Sharp's Rule
> 1) Statement of the Granville-Sharp Rule: Both
> Substantives refer to Same
> Person in Article-Noun-kai—-Noun Constructions when:
> a) Both Nouns are Personal
> b) Both Nouns are Singular
> c) Both Nouns are Non-proper (not someone's name)
> 2) Exceptions to Granville-Sharp Rule: None in NT;
> Outside of NT are not
> really exceptions either
> B. Uses: Mark 6:3; Luke 20:37; Eph 1:3; 2:14; Phil
> 2:25; Titus 2:13; Heb
> 3:1; James 3:9; 2Pet 1:1
>
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics/Washington University
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