From: Eszter (ESZTER.ANDORKA@student.kuleuven.ac.be)
Date: Thu Apr 20 2000 - 15:50:32 EDT
Hello, Michael!
Be carefull: what is written in Mk is not what has happened to the hist.
Js. The fact that Mk quotes the Mikra in Aramaic and than in Greek has
to do in the first round with his audience than with the events of the
death of Js. One possible explanation of the Semitic quoptes in Mk is that
these are historical reminiscenses, and in this sense it can say something
about the hist Js dying on the cross - but this is only one of the
explanations.
IF it has to do with Js, I still would not suppose a spontaneous
translation. The presence of Targumic traditions in the 1st c. was
underestimated in the NT scholarship for a long time.
But what I would say is that the Markan community used Targumic
traditions, and a part of the community understood Aramaic, and understood
the word-games of Mk on the Aramaic texts.
Maybe I will return onto the problem - my library is closing now.
Eszter
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Michael Ryle wrote:
> Mark 15:34 reports that Jesus cried out in a loud voice: ELWI ELWI LEMA
> SABACQANI; The Jerome Commentary indicates that this is an Aramaic version
> of Psalm 22:2. For a long time I have have been curious about this passage.
> Why does Jesus quote the Hebrew scriptures in Aramaic? On the cross under
> the extreme stress of the moment did he spontaneously translate the psalm as
> he knew it into his own spoken language? Or was he quoting from an Aramaic
> source, a targum? If so, why would he quote from that instead of the Hebrew
> which he surely would have known? In the gospels when Jesus quotes
> scripture, except for this one case, I believe it's true that he always does
> so in Greek -- at least I can't think of another instance. Why is this case
> different and what does it mean? I'm curious to know if anyone else has
> wondered about this.
>
> I am a newcomer both to Biblical Greek and to this list and I would like to
> express my gratitude to Jonathan Robie and the other members of the list for
> the tremendous help you offer to someone like me who is struggling to learn
> how to read the New Testament in the eerily beautiful language in which it
> was written.
>
> Michael Ryle, North Eastham, MA
>
>
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