[b-greek] Re: article beginning a clause?

From: clayton stirling bartholomew (c.s.bartholomew@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sat Dec 30 2000 - 14:40:30 EST


on 12/30/00 9:07 AM, Suedaleg@aol.com wrote:

> I would like to know your comments
> on this construction
>
> Luke 9:46 reads EISHLQE DE DIALOGISMOS EN AUTOIS, TO TIS AN EIH MEIZWN
> AOUTWN.
>
> The article starting the second clause (neuter nom/acc sing) having no noun
> to match must introduce a phrase, but appears to introduce the entire clause.
> This I can understand. It seemed the clause modifies DIALOGISMOS, except
> the genders do not match. If TO is to be understood as accusative it could
> modify the entire sentance (Eishlqe . . . AUTOIS) but is this possible. It
> seems difficult in English.


on 12/30/00 9:47 AM, Maurice A. O'Sullivan wrote:

> --- which is an indirect question, as in 1:62 where Zerwick, Maximilian,&
> Grosvenor, Mary. A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament. Rome,
> notes:
>>> Luke inclined to introduce indirect questions with the article which in
> such cases is untranslateable.<<
>
> Apart from this, the other examples are 19:48; 22:4,23,24 and Ac. 4:21; 22:30
  BDF 267.2

 Maurice,

BDF (#267.2) and N. Turner (p. 182 h) agree that the prefixed TO has no
impact on the "meaning" of the indirect question TIS AN EIH MEIZWN AOUTWN.
However this leaves a fairly significant question unanswered.

The article turns the whole clause TIS AN EIH MEIZWN AOUTWN into a
substantive (Plummer ICC, pps 37, 257, see also A. Thumb #269). This may
not change the meaning WITHIN the clause but I would suspect that it does
alter the relationships between the higher level constituents.

When the constituent TIS AN EIH MEIZWN AOUTWN is made into a substantive by
the addition of a prefixed TO the next logical question is what function
does this constituent have in the higher level structure and how does the
presence of TO alter the state of affairs in the structure above the level
of clause?

This is my attempt at restating the original question which I think remains
unanswered at this point. I do not know the answer.

Clay

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Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
Three Tree Point
P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062


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