From: GregStffrd@aol.com
Date: Wed May 16 2001 - 00:46:02 EDT
In a message dated 05/15/2001 8:32:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hjbluebird@aol.com writes:
<< Dear B-Greekers,
hH ARCH being defined as, "the Origin" or "First" where the context
will allow is supported lexically by both Bauer and Thayer. For
example, on page 77 of Thayer under def 3 Thayer tells us that the
first know use of hH ARCH as "the origin" was by the
philosopher Anaximander in 8th cent. B.C. He goes on to give other
examples of historical people who used the word that way. So there
is ample historical support for the word hH ARCH to be used as
"The First cause" or "the origin".
Sincerely,
Harry W. Jones >>
Dear Harry:
We are all aware of what lexicons say. I have outlined various problems with
"source" and "origin" and they do not disappear because of what a lexicon
says. Please give the quote in full, interact with it in providing you
arguments from the 8th century BCE (!) source and then we will compare it
with what we find in Revelation 3:14.
I know of no example of ARCH with a following genitive expression that means
"source" and where the ARCH is not part of the following group denoted by the
genitive. Such a meaning, that is, one that presents the ARCH as the "source"
= "cause" of the creation, conflicts with the use of TOU QEOU in Revelation
3:14, which will also have to be factored in to any grammatical, semantic, or
contextual argument from parallels.
I welcome those examples.
Best regards,
Greg Stafford
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