From: Mark Markham (markhamm@topsurf.com)
Date: Sat Sep 22 2001 - 21:00:53 EDT
What about PANTAS ANQRWPOUS in 1 Cor. 7:7 and PANTAS in 1 Cor 14:5. Can't
"all" in context refer to a "particular group" of peolple? I think this is
what Harry was meaning by a sub group. Perhaps a better question is: who is
PANTAS ANQRWPOUS in 1 Tim. 2:4? The question of the ages!Unless it is
revealed in the immediate context it is open for hermenutics and not just
Greek translation. What do all of you (sub group B-Greek list members)
think?
Grace,
Mark Markham
Heidelberg, Germany
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From: "B. Ward Powers" <bwpowers@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Cc: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:06 AM
Subject: [b-greek] Re: 1 Tim. 2:4 --> PANTAS ANQRWPOUS
> At 05:23 PM 010922 -0400, Carl Conrad wrote:
> At 2:45 PM -0400 9/22/01, Harry W. Jones wrote:
> >Dear B-Greekers,
> >
> >Does the phrase, PANTAS ANQRWPOUS in 1Tim. 2:4 mean all of the
> >class known as men or simply a subclass of men. I appreciate
> >any help you can give me on this.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by a "subclass" of men: plumbers? farmers?
> certainly not males only--even if women are to be saved only through
> bearing children (2:15).
>
>
> Upon which thought, I would comment to Carl:
> But in interpreting this passage (which is at the end of the chapter Harry
> is asking about) we must bear in mind that "through" here - in Greek like
> in English - can have the meaning "during the experience of", "throughout
> the whole of the time of" as much as "by means of", "as a result of".
>
>
> Carl added:
> Although "all people" would be better than "all
> human beings," I think the English that best conveys the sense of PANTAS
> ANQRWPOUS here is "everyone" or "everybody"--"... wants everyone to be
> saved."
>
>
> Upon which I comment:
> Very true: I agree. And as not everyone WILL be saved, this indicates that
> the will of God is not always done upon earth. Which is why (in the Lord's
> Prayer) we pray that it shall be. Because the Almighty Sovereign Lord God
> of the Universe has given to us puny humans such a measure of free choice
> that we are able to reject his offer of salvation. Such awesome choice!
> Such tremendous responsibility! But our understanding of this truth flows
> from what Paul says about God's will for PANTAS ANQRWPOUS in verse 4 of
> this chapter.
>
> Ward
>
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