From: c stirling bartholomew (cc.constantine@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Wed Jan 30 2002 - 14:33:03 EST
on 1/29/02 11:49 PM, Bryant J. Williams III wrote:
> GRHGOREW is used 5:6, 10 to be "watchful, alert, spiritually awake." KAQEUDW
> in 5:6, 7 & 10 is used of being "dull, spiritually asleep" which is in
> contrast to GRHGOREW. This is especially true of verse 10 where EITE...EITE
> refers to both, implying that they will be with the Lord. This is interesting
> when 4:13-15 uses KOIMAOMAI for those believers who bodies have died
> physically, but are spiritually with the Lord. I do not know if one can make
> too much of a difference between KAQEUDW and KOIMAOMAI, but the context seems
> to indicate that there is a distinction being made, if only for this context.
Bryant,
Louw & Nida have some comments on this problem/question:
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23.104 kaqeudw; koimaomai: (figurative extensions of meaning of kaqeudwa and
koimaomaia, respectively, Œto sleep,¹ 23.66) to sleep, as a euphemistic
expression for the state of being dead ‹ Œto be dead, to have died.¹
kaqeudw: eite grhgorwmen eite kaqeudwmen Œwhether we are alive or dead¹ 1Th
5:10.
koimaomaib: hmeis oi zwntes Š ou mh fqaswmen tous koimhqentas Œwe who are
alive Š will not go ahead of those who have died¹ 1Th 4:15.
Some translators have attempted to preserve the figure of speech in
kaqeudw and koimaomai by translating Œto sleep¹ rather than Œto have died¹
or Œto be dead.¹ Such a practice, however, has resulted in misunderstanding
in a number of instances and has sometimes led to the doctrine of so-called
Œsoul-sleep.¹
23.97 grhgorew: (a figurative extension of meaning of grhgorew Œto stay
awake,¹ 23.72) to remain fully alive and alert ‹ Œto remain alive, to be
alive.¹ eite grhgorwmen eite kaqeudwmen Œwhether we are alive or dead¹ 1Th
5:10.
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Reviewing the options:
> 1) be literally awake
> 2) be watchful, alert, spiritually awake
> 3) be physically alive
>
> Does KAQEUDW here mean
> 1) be literally asleep
> 2) be dull, spiritually asleep
> 3) be physically dead
I would argue that the final statement AMA SUN AUTW ZHSWMEN would appear to
rule out options 1 & 2. I don't think that the switch in Paul's use of
these terms from verse 6 to verse 10 need cause us any consternation.
Examples can be found where a word is used twice within the same clause with
different meanings. This is not a serious problem.
From the commentaries: Option #3 is followed by C. Wannamaker (NIGTC) , L.
Morris (NICNT, 1st ed.), H. Alford, H.A.W. Meyer, C. Moffatt. All these
guys plus Louw & Nida, what more could you ask for?
Greetings,
Clay
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Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
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P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
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