Re: B-Greek Parameters and Lexical Referents

Carlton Winbery (winberyc@popalex1.linknet.net)
Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:13:44 +0400

Charles Powell wrote;

>One thing that has puzzled me concerning the parameters of this list concerns
>the discussion of lexical referents. The referent of a word or phrase is as
>much a part of the meaning of a Greek word/phrase as is its usage and
>significance. And yet there seems to be some hesitation to discuss
>referential issues since, in many cases they lead directly into theological
>discussion. It seems to me that if a theological issue is directly related to
>the discussion of the Greek text, it should not be frowned upon. A good
>example would the referent of TO TELEION in 1 Cor 13:10. The referent of this
>phrase is very important to its meaning, yet involves very theologically
>nuanced arguments. In the recent discussions concerning 1 Cor 11:2-16 and
>14:34-35 are the meaning and referent of EXOUSIAN (or EXOUSIAN ECEIN EPI
>KEFALHS) in 11:10, the referent of TOIAUTHN, in 11:16, and the referent of
>SIGATWSAN in 14:34-35. Are not these legitimate issues of discussion? All of
>these are involved in the question of the role of women in speaking in the
>assembly. Does the Greek text allow for a speaking role for women? I admit we
>may have gotten off track in many cases, thus there has been an air of
>caution among many in these discussions.
>
The faq for this list has been revised and refined very carefully and seems
to me to be clear. If it has to do with what a Greek word, phrase, clause,
sentence, etc meant (referred to, alluded to, etc) to the writer(s) or
readers of the first (second for some) century, it is fair game on this
list. It is also fair game to cite modern and not so modern scholars, but
that is evidence of a secondary nature. Good resources for those on the
list are always appreciated. If it has to do with the biblical writer(s)
theology, intention, theme, etc., it is fair game though one should avoid
blowing my whole ram cache in one message. If it has to do with your own
confession, creed, beliefs, etc., keep it to yourself or take it somewhere
else. When you get the urge to flame someone, use the delete button and
trust that someone charged with the responsibility to do so will step in
and seek to get us back on track with a minimal loss of participants.

If we all try and use these parameters, when we step over a bit (without
malice), no one is going to get zapped. Some discussions are a matter of
judgment. Use the best you have.

I want again to express my gratitude to John, Edward, Jonathan, Carl, and a
number of other scholars for providing the resources and bringing expertise
to this list. I am amazed at the possibilities of resources like this.
This is a great list because people who love the subject are involved with
it. The list will continue to get better if we all fall in love with the
subject and bring the best we have to the table. Or, as I often say to
worried about grades students, fall in love with the subject and the grade
will take care of itself.

Thanks to all,

Carlton Winbery
LA College