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b-greek-digest Saturday, 29 April 1995 Volume 01 : Number 686
In this issue:
Electronic form of Majority Text
Re: 1 Cor. 15:29
Re: LXX, NT and Apostolic Fa....
Re: 1 Cor 15.29
Re: 1 Cor 15:29
Re: eis with accusative
Re: LXX, NT and Apostolic Fa....
Re: BAGD 3
Re: Electronic form of Majority Text
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SURVEY
Re: SURVEY
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Re: 1 Cor. 7:36
Bible software World Wide Web page
Re: SURVEY / 1Jn1:7
Re: 1 Cor. 7:36
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From: craig@tmh.chattanooga.net
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:28:05 EST5
Subject: Electronic form of Majority Text
On (Thu 27 Ap) billm@on-ramp.ior.com wrote to All...
b > I am trying to get my hands on an electronic copy of the majority text.
I am not sure which edition of the text you are looking for, but the
BibleWorks program from Hermeneutica Software has the F.H.A. Scrivener text
of 1881 based on Theodore Beza's 1598 TR, and the UBS4.
They state that a "truly Byzantine 'Majority Text-Form'" is in work by
Original Word. I do not have an address for Original Word.
Lee R. Martin
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From: Timster132@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:48:38 -0400
Subject: Re: 1 Cor. 15:29
to: b-greek@virginia.edu
cc: terry@bible.acu.edu
Bruce Terry said on 4/26/95....
>Tim--
>
>A point of clarification. I think 1 Cor. 15:29 is *not* best understood >as
proxy baptism. Rather, there is a good possibility that the >passage refers
to those who receive *their own* initial baptism >because a Christian that
they were close to has died. Some may >question their motives, but this kind
of thing happens even today.
>
>--Bruce
Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense to me now that I see what
you mean.
Tim
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From: Timster132@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:48:51 -0400
Subject: Re: LXX, NT and Apostolic Fa....
To: B-greek@virginia.edu
cc: kenneth@sybase.com
from: Timster132@aol.com
Ken said....
> I don't know where to go to find a vocab list to memorize
>for low-frequency words in the NT, let alone the LXX or the
>Apos. Fathers. Does anyone have any suggestions?
There are several lists of special LXX vocab found in Part II, Chapter 4
in the _Introduction to the Old Testament in Greek_ by H.B. Swete.
More striking than the vocab differences from the NT is the grammatical
makeup of the LXX (esp. the syntax). For a compact grammar of the LXX, you
might want to check out _A Grammar of Septuagint Greek_ by F.C. Conybeare and
St. George Stock (Zondervan [Acadamie Books], Grand Rapids, MI reprint 1980).
Another suggestion I might make as to extra-NT vocab is that you might
take a look at the vocab appendix in _Hellenistic Greek Texts_ by Wikgren,
Coldwell and R. Marcus.
As for a list of most to least frequently used words, I was unable to find
one for LXX Greek/Patristics. I thought I had one for NT Greek, but couldn't
find it. But I did find _Lists of Words (Occurring Frequently in the Hebrew
Bible), Seminary Edition_ by John D. W. Watts (Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, MI,
1960. [It is based on Lexicon in Veteris Testementi Libros,
Koeler-Baumgartner (Leiden, 1953)].
While this isn't what you were look for, I think it gives you a place to
look, it you can't find a Greek list for freq. used words. I am pretty sure
Eerdmans had a Seminary Edition _List of Words_ for Greek.
Good luck.
Peace,
Tim Staker
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From: Timster132@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:48:44 -0400
Subject: Re: 1 Cor 15.29
TO: b-greek@virginia.edu
cc: rod.j.decker@uwrf.edu
Tim Staker said...
>>It is known that there were Jewish missionaries
>>that were active in the diaspora, who it seems may
>>have practiced baptism (as John Baptist did). If
>>they practiced "baptism for the dead", it would
>>seem natural for Paul to refer to the group as "they"
>>instead of "we".
>>
>> I have wondered if Paul speaking of "The Baptized for
>>the dead" may have been a technical term which
>>meant the sinful self which dies in baptism, (cf,
Rod commented:
>IF, IF, ...
>
>Too many "ifs" with no evidence. Speculation w/o
>evidence is futile. This is the problem with just about
>any theoretical explantion ever offered for this verse.
>Better to admit that we simply don't know than speculate.
I raised the point about the Jewish missionaries to show that
Paul wasn't necessarily speaking of aborrant _Christian_
practice, as some on the List have suggested. That's all I
was wanting to say.
As for what "evidence" is, I think it is fair to say that
some evidence is weightier than others. And while we don't
have any direct evidence about what 1 Cor 15:29 is about,
conjectures that are based on historical 1st century data is
a little better than conjectures that are out of thin air.
You may be right that it is better to admit we don't know
than to speculate, but sometimes, we just can't help ourselves!
And the number of posts to RE: 1 Cor 15.29 bears this out :)
Peace and speculations,
Tim
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From: Guy Marquardt <guy.marquardt@mandic.ax.apc.org>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 23:34:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 1 Cor 15:29
I hesitated posting my question re 1 Cor 15: 29 in the first place
(perhaps not long enough :-) because I knew that the topic was one
which does not seem to have an answer that we can easily find
today. However, I did want a reminder of the theories that had
been proposed in the past. Thank you, those who helped. To the
rest, I apologize for digging up old arguments to be rehashed.
Like many others, I enjoy occasionally discussing Biblical
questions that may be completely irrelevant and unnecessary in a
gospel ministry -- as long as I remember to get back to the more
practical (and important) tasks at hand! :-)
In Christ,
Guy Marquardt, Missionary
Centro Cristao para Informacao
Sao Paulo, Brazil
INTERNET: guy.marquardt@mandic.ax.apc.org
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From: Carl W Conrad <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 06:04:48 -0500 (GMT-0500)
Subject: Re: eis with accusative
On Thu, 27 Apr 1995 WINBROW@aol.com wrote:
> Bruce Terry wrote
> "On the other hand, I think there is a difference between causal
> EIS and causal (UPER. The very existance of causal EIS is controversial;"
> That is true and a good point, but how do you translate the EIS TO KHRUGMA of
> Matt. 12:41?
Well, this time I checked the rest of my mail first to see if anyone else
had already tackled this question. Not yet, evidently.
The text reads (acc. to the now infamous UBS4/NA27, said to be identical
to UBS3/NA26!): ... HOTI METENOHSAN EIS TO KHRYGMA IWNA ... I would
suppose that there's an Aramaic formulation behind this (sorry, don't
know any Aramaic and very little Hebrew) on the order of a Hebrew SHUBH
LE, "turn to/toward" (this is highly speculative, and I should know
better than to flaunt my almost non-existent Hebrew). Even the Greek I
should understand in the sense, "... repented in response to Jona's
preaching." I don't have BAGD to hand (how's that usage of "to"?); I do
note that Schmoller's Handkonkordanz offers for EIS: (a) IN cum acc.; (b)
IN cum abl.; (c) AD; (d) PRO; (e) PROPTER; (f) sine praepositione; (g)
(EIS TI) quare;(h) (EIS TI) ut quid. I suppose that one could argue for
PROPTER ("on account of") here, but it seems to me closer to the usage of
EIS with PISTEUW. My gut feeling is that EIS here is not "by reason of"
but rather "toward," "in response to."
Another interesting question! I would be interested to know what others
better informed about Semitisms think of the possibility of influence
from a Semitic construction here.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO 63130, USA
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
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From: Tim McLay <nstn1533@fox.nstn.ca>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 10:39:22 -0400
Subject: Re: LXX, NT and Apostolic Fa....
> Ken said....
>> I don't know where to go to find a vocab list to memorize
>>for low-frequency words in the NT, let alone the LXX or the
>>Apos. Fathers. Does anyone have any suggestions?
The book for low frequency words in GNT is David Holly, A Complete
Categorized Greek-English New Testament Vocabulary, Baker, 1978.
Besides a complete list of vocab according to categories and other
useful items, it has all words occurring 9-1x in separate listings and in
alphabetical order. I can't lay hand to my CBD catalogue, but I bought it
from them years ago at a good price. I would suggest that
a) you not worry about your reading competence b) sit down and read from
various authors without worrying whether you are getting everything
exactly right.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim McLay
Halifax, NS
nstn1533@fox.nstn.ca
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From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:47:15 -0600
Subject: Re: BAGD 3
>On 4/24/95Gary Meadors wrote
>
>
>Yes! I am going to use Mounce next year...text, workbook and morphology;
>then two lexicons (BAGD and LN); then a GNT et.al. I feel for my
>students as well as for my annual trek to SBL displays!
>
A bit of information that may be useful to you, Gary, and a host of others
on b-greek: Frederick W. Danker submitted the completed MS for the third,
completely revised third edition of BAGD to the University of Chicago Press
at the end of March.
Since it came to the press on a hard disk, completely formatted, the new
edition should appear within a relatively short space of time. Already in
the current academic year I have advised students to use the second edition
of BAGD in the library and save the $45.00 to buy the third edition on its
appearance.
Incidentally, there will be a special [surprise, I think] observance of
Fred's 75th birthday and the completion of the lexicon MS on 9 July 1995 at
Bethel Lutheran Church in University City, MO. If you know him, you may
want to send a congratulatory message for the occasion. Address it in care
of Ms. Kathleen Danker, 3176 Gustine, St. Louis, MO 63116.
Edgar Krentz
Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
emkrentz@mcs.com
(Voice) Home: 312/947-8105; Off.: 312-753-0752
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From: Vincent Broman <broman@np.nosc.mil>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 08:53:08 PDT
Subject: Re: Electronic form of Majority Text
Gnu wdiff is an offshoot of diff which uses the same internal
algorithms, more or less, but which finds differences by
words instead of by lines. Neither of them recognize transpositions
as anything but a deletetion followed by an addition.
Collate is commercial software for Macintoshes.
I append an announcement seen on AIBI-L.
Vincent Broman
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Subject: Textual Collation software: Collate 2
... information about the
current, just-released version of my collation program for the Macintosh,
Collate 2. This offers quite a few enhancements over its predecessors (but,
alas, a higher price: we have to cover an increasing proportion of our costs
by
asking the program's users to contribute to the cost of its creation).
Peter Robinson, 15 September 1994
Collate 2
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From: usa@hntp2.hinet.net
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 02:22:02 +0800 (CST)
Subject: SURVEY
I am not studying greek, but I do use it at times to get into
the N.T. more deeply, etc.. I enjoy this post because it is
challenging and exciting to read into the greek context and
dwell on the meanings as they were written long ago.
Also, I may add, that I do not do this just out of boredom,
or as a hobby, rather it's because I am very interested and have
a hunger for the Bible (I call it "God's Word").
I'd like to ask the members of this list to drop a note or two here
on this post and say why you are involved in this greek conference.
Is it some kind of homework you are doing for a class? Is it
your hobby? Are you a Christian, or are you born again? Is there
more than just an asthetic value in it for you? etc...
Thank you and God Bless!
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From: Carl W Conrad <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:48:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: SURVEY
While I could readily answer the questions posed in the posting with the
above heading, I really don't see any reason to do so (1) publicly, just
for the heck of it; (2) without it having some bearing on an issue under
discussion on the list, at a point where I feel like declaring my stance
on things; (3) most particularly, in response to an ANONYMOUS request.
Most participants readily identify themselves with a signature file of
some sort appended to their notes, and it always annoys me to see a
question or request addressed to listmembers in general that is unsigned.
An unsigned request of this sort borders on (if it doesn't cross the
line) being tacky. I hope I am not offending anyone who would like to see
the answers to this "survey," but IMHO the purpose of this list was
pretty well stated in the message that we all received when we originally
joined.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO 63130, USA
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:19:27 -0500
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From: Timster132@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:27:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 1 Cor. 7:36
TO: B-GREEK@VIRGINIA.EDU
cc: x74806h4@WESTPOINT-EMH2.USMA.ARMY.MIL
From: Timster132@aol.com
First, to be honest, this is one of the most ambiguious verses in the NT.
I have tried to render it literally and it reads, with forward slashes
separating alternate choices: "If anyone thinks he/she behaves
disgracefully/indecently toward his virgin/virginity, if he/she/it is "beyond
its prime"/"very much in its prime", and so it has to be, if he/she/it
wishes, he/she/it sins not, let them marry."
Who the "anyone" is in this sentence is vague. If PARATHENON AUTOU is
rendered "his virgin" (instead of "his virginity") who could a virgin belong
to? A father? A man whom she is engaged to? A slave-owner?
Then there is the ambiguous word UPERAKMOS. AKMOS means the highest
point of one's development (cf Plato). UPERAKMOS usually means "past one's
prime". But some have suggested that UPER- is an intensifier, "very much it
one's prime", thus the NRSV translation "his passions are strong".
Paul believed that the end was near, and that people ought to either stay
married or stay single (SEE 7:29-31).
He has already told unmarried virgins not to marry, but if they do, they
are not sinning (1 Cor 7:25-28). So it would seem redundant that Paul is
bringing this up again in vv 36-38.
I believe that 1 Cor 7:36-38 is talking about a father who has an
unmarried daughter (virgin=PARTHANON) who is getting past the age of being
desirable (UPERAKMOS) to be arranged for a marriage.
The father acting "unseemly" (ASXHMONEIN) can be referring to his
possibly treating the unmarried daughter with contempt and ridicule, which
often happened in such cases. ASXHMONEW can mean "to feel that one ought to
be ashamed". Paul uses this word to say that love is not ASKHMOMEI (1 Cor
13:5).
ASXHMONEW can also mean "to behave disgracefully, dishonorably,
indecently", so some have interpreted Paul as warning fathers with virgin
daughters to arrange a marriage for the daughter instead of acting
indecently with her. Near-relative sexual relations are forbidden in the
Torah (Lev 18:2). I think this both interpretations of ASXHMONEW as shaming
or indecently are plausible.
Translators may have avoided this rendering because it has made them
uncomfortable to deal with the taboo subject of incest.
The NRSV has opted to translate this passage as one dealing with a man
who is engaged to a virgin.
In our culture where dating is a method of choosing mates, premarital
sexual relations has become a concern. This too may have influenced modern
translators in their interpretation. However, in a culture of arranged
marriages, the social context is very different. Unmarried men and women as
a general rule do not spend time alone together as in our culture. I really
doubt Paul was speaking here about a man who is acting improperly toward his
fiancee.
The third option of translating this verse is that there are those who
think they are behaving improperly toward their own virginity-- whatever that
means. It seems to fit with v. 37.
One other unpopular option is that the virgin belongs to a slave-owner,
since owners usually didn't marry their slaves.
I don't know if any of this helps, Paul, particularly about pre-marital
relations. About that subject, I always thought Song of Solomon had events
in an interesting order, namely, the wedding doesn't come until 3:11 and the
gazelle has already leaped over the mountain, some pomegranants have been
squeezed and there has been some fruit tasting in the shadows. <blush>
Peace,
Tim
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From: Harry Hahne <hahne@epas.utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:42:10 +0000
Subject: Bible software World Wide Web page
ANNOUNCING A NEW WORLD WIDE WEB PAGE
ON BIBLE ANAYLYSIS SOFTWARE
A new World Wide Web page focuses on Bible-search software and
computer-assisted biblical research. This page is a section of
Chorus, an online journal of humanities computing. The URL is:
http://www.peinet.pe.ca:2080/Chorus/Hahne/m003.html
This Web page contains the following information of interest to Bible
scholars and students:
1. Reviews of several Bible-search programs, with a particular
emphasis on the suitability of the programs for scholarly
research.
2. Papers related to computer-assisted biblical research.
3. Web links to other sites of interest for biblical scholarship.
One paper of particular interest to many in this group is my paper
called "Interpretive Implications of Using Bible-Search Software for
New Testament Grammatical Analysis". I presented this paper at the
ETS annual meeting and I have received many requests for copies of it.
This paper is an updated and revised version of a paper I presented at
AIBI 4, called "Avoiding the Pitfalls of Computer-Assisted New Testament
Grammatical Analysis".
The paper expores some hidden pitfalls in using Bible-search programs
which can lead to inacurrate search results. In my tests of several
Bible-search programs, I have found considerable variation in search
results. This paper looks at several factors which can affect search
accuracy:
1. Differences in the underlying texts, including grammatical
tagging schemes.
2. Differences in the capabilities and assumptions of the search
software.
3. Common user errors.
Although the emphasis of the paper is on Greek New Testament searches,
the principles apply to searches of the Hebrew Bible and Bible
translations in any language.
If you have suggestions for other materials to put on this Web page or
if you know of other Web pages that I should should set links to, send
me an email message. I look forward to any feedback or suggestions on
how to make this a more useful resource for Bible researchers.
Harry Hahne
Ontario Theological Seminary
hahne@epas.utoronto.ca
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From: Stephen Carlson <scc@reston.icl.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 0:00:41 EDT
Subject: Re: SURVEY / 1Jn1:7
Carl W Conrad wrote:
> Most participants readily identify themselves with a signature file of
> some sort appended to their notes, and it always annoys me to see a
> question or request addressed to listmembers in general that is unsigned.
> An unsigned request of this sort borders on (if it doesn't cross the
> line) being tacky.
By somewhat free association this reminded me of 1Jn1:7 EN TWi FWTI
PERIPATWMEN ("[if] we are walking in the light"). What does this
really mean? Does it mean to live honestly and openly in contrast to
YEUDOMEQA (v6 "we lie"; cf. Jn3:20-21)? Or, is the BAGD right in
glossing this as "to be filled w[ith] Christian truth," presumably in
contrast to OU POIOUMEN THN ALHQEIAN (v6 "we do not live by truth" NIV)?
Thoughts anyone?
Stephen Carlson
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From: VCBROWN@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:38:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 1 Cor. 7:36
Dear Tim,
On 28-APR-1995 20:41:30.4 Timster132 said to VCBROWN
> I believe that 1 Cor 7:36-38 is talking about a father who has an
> unmarried daughter (virgin=PARTHANON) who is getting past the age of
> being desirable (UPERAKMOS) to be arranged for a marriage.
> The father acting "unseemly" (ASXHMONEIN) can be referring to his
> possibly treating the unmarried daughter with contempt and ridicule,
> which often happened in such cases. ASXHMONEW can mean "to feel that
> one ought to be ashamed". Paul uses this word to say that love is not
> ASKHMOMEI (1 Cor 13:5).
I'm sorry but I can't agree with you.
But there are two interpretations to this verse that I find
equally attractive. One is that a father is concerned about the life
of his daughter. The "unseemly" acting would be in *not* allowing his
virgin to marry and forcing her to be an old maid.
The other interpretation involves treating the prefix in UPER-
AKMOS as an intensifier. As you said, Paul believed that the end was
near. I think that he addressed those who saw their lives ahead of
themselves rather than those who saw themselves as being past their
prime.
> Near-relative sexual relations are
> forbidden in the Torah (Lev 18:2). I think this both interpretations
> of ASXHMONEW as shaming or indecently are plausible.
> Translators may have avoided this rendering because it has made them
> uncomfortable to deal with the taboo subject of incest.
I can agree with you that such an interpretation is possible.
But the context of v36 is within a freamework on extended relationships
not societal sins.
Best wishes.
Virgil Brown
VCBrown@Delphi.Com
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