[Prev][Next][Index][Thread]
b-greek-digest V1 #769
b-greek-digest Saturday, 1 July 1995 Volume 01 : Number 769
In this issue:
Unsubscribe
Biblical Greek Library
*New* WWW Page of "TONISMOS" Software
Re: Biblical Greek Library
Greek Library
Re: Biblical Greek Library
Kee on the Jesus Seminar
Re: Biblical Greek Library
Biblical Greek Library
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Alf3832@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:30:01 -0400
Subject: Unsubscribe
Unsubscribe b-greek
------------------------------
From: rrilea <rrilea@cnw.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:19:51 -0700
Subject: Biblical Greek Library
I am wanting to develop my Biblical Greek library for study purposes. I am
interested in finding out what works are essential for someone beginning
Biblical Greek studies. I am learning the language on my own at present
and I am hoping to get to the point that using greek as part of my studies
for sermons and personal study becomes second nature.
Thanks for your help.
Rod Rilea
rrilea@cnw.com
------------------------------
From: George Chryssogelos <geo@prometheus.hol.gr>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:02:41 +0200
Subject: *New* WWW Page of "TONISMOS" Software
A new WWW Page has been constructed, demonstrating the Software "TONISMOS".
"TONISMOS" converts Single (Uni) - Accent Ascii (DOS 437) Greek Text Files to
Multi (polytonic) - Accent ones, in various formats (WIN - DOS - MAC) for
various
multi-accent Greek Fonts .
There are examples of the convertion as GIF images .
The URL is http://www.hol.gr/business/tonismos
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --------
Data - Soft,
Software Development Enterprise,
George Chryssogelos,
Calymnou 16, 172 37 Daphne, Athens - Greece
e-mail : geo@prometheus.hol.gr
WWW Page : http://www.hol.gr/business/tonismos
------------------------------
From: "James D. Ernest" <ernest@mv.mv.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:35:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Biblical Greek Library
After you learn basic grammar and memorize a working vocabulary,
I still think the Zerwick & Grosvenor Grammatical Analysis of
the Greek New Testament is a good idea if you also buy the
Maximilian Zerwick intermediate grammar (sorry, I don't remember
the name and can't put my hands on my copy at the moment) and
look up all the references from the former to the latter as
you read through the NT. For most people this is a more
tolerable way of reading an intermediate grammar than simply
starting at the beginning and reading through to the end.
- --I also encourage pastors every chance I get to follow the
advice given by my own NT professor in seminary and spare your
congregations sentences beginning with "The Greek word/construction
here is ... which means ...." --But that's unsolicited homiletical
advice from a less experienced homiletician, I am sure, than
yourself. I just seems to me that every time I hear such a
phrase what follows is wrong. (A little Greek is a dangerous
thing?)
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
James D. Ernest Joint Doctoral Program
Manchester, New Hampshire, USA Andover-Newton/Boston College
Internet: ernest@mv.mv.com Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts
------------------------------
From: "DR. KEN PULLIAM" <thedoc@aztec.asu.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 07:22:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Greek Library
In reply to Rod Rilea's request for information on building a Greek library,
let me offer the following suggestions:
Lexicon--Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich (unabridged)
Word Studies--Colin Brown's New International Dict. Of NT Theology
Grammars--Dana & Mantey for Intermediate; A. T. Robertson for advanced
Textual Crit.--Metzger's Text of the New Testament
Practical--Wuest's Practical Use of Greek NT; David Blacks' Greek in Ministry
Exposition--Fee's NT Exegesis
Obviously, there are many more books and some may be better than the ones
listed above but I don't think you would go wrong to begin with these.
- --
Ken R. Pulliam, Ph.D.
Chandler, Arizona
thedoc@aztec.asu.edu
------------------------------
From: Tim McLay <nstn1533@fox.nstn.ca>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 12:06:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Biblical Greek Library
James D. Ernest wrote:
>--I also encourage pastors every chance I get to follow the
>advice given by my own NT professor in seminary and spare your
>congregations sentences beginning with "The Greek word/construction
>here is ... which means ...." I[t] just seems to me that every time
I hear such a phrase what follows is wrong. (A little Greek is a dangerous
>thing?)
I second that. I don't know about you, but it drives me bananas. In fact,
I try to give people a short intro to linguistics to show them why that
preacher is wrong (because I don't make that mistake when I preach :)).
It is usually due to the etymological fallacy, so I just point out that
the English word "nice" used to mean "ignorant", but we don't mean that
now, nor do the majority of us (or ancient speakers) have any knowledge of
what any word used to mean.
Cheers.
Tim McLay
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>James D. Ernest Joint Doctoral Program
>Manchester, New Hampshire, USA Andover-Newton/Boston College
>Internet: ernest@mv.mv.com Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts
--
Tim McLay
Halifax, NS
nstn1533@fox.nstn.ca
------------------------------
From: Paul Moser <PMOSER@cpua.it.luc.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 12:01 CDT
Subject: Kee on the Jesus Seminar
Howard Clark Kee's stinging assessment of the results
of the Jesus Seminar is now available in *Theology
Today* 52, #1 (Apr. 1995), 17-28. A related essay
is N.T. Wright's "Taking the Text with Her Pleasure,"
*Theology* 96 (1993), 303-310. For a plank-by-plank
dismantling of the Seminar, see now G. A. Boyd,
*Cynic Sage or Son of God?* (Wheaton, IL: Victor/
Bridgepoint, 1995; isbn: 1-56476-448-6). Boyd's
book includes assessments of Mack on Mark and Paul,
with 100+ pages of references.--Paul Moser,
Loyola University of Chicago.
------------------------------
From: WINBROW@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Biblical Greek Library
Advice from Ernest,
". . . spare your congregations sentences beginning with "The Greek
word/construction
here is ... which means ...."
I once had a church in Alabama write to me to suggest prospects for pastor.
They gave only two stipulations, that he had never had Greek and that he had
never been to the Holy Land. I suspected that these people had been abused.
I would suggest that the best chance for success in learning Greek on one's
own would be to use a workbook approach like Mounce's new beginning grammar
with workbook. Computer software is also available. Most importantly, learn
vocabulary, lots of vocabulary, i.e., Metzger's Lexical Aids. Learn syntax
in the context of the NT text itself. Lots of examples such as is in Brooks
& Winbery, Syntax of the NT. The best dictionary is still the Bauer
dictionary as revised.
Carlton Winbery (I only get 5% of sales)
Prof Religion
La College Pineville, LA
------------------------------
From: Rod Decker <rdecker@accunet.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:55:54 -0500
Subject: Biblical Greek Library
>Rod Rilea wrote:
>I am wanting to develop my Biblical Greek library for study purposes. I am
>interested in finding out what works are essential for someone beginning...
The recom.s you've rec'd thus far are good. I would suggest a new
intermediate grammar that I think is a major improvement over Dana & Mantey
(which was suggested by someone--don't remember whom): Richard Young's
_Intermediate NT Greek_ (Broadman, 1994). I think that it is not only more
accurate and linguistically aware, but is also much better suited for a 2d
year-level student. I'll tell you better come December--I'm going to use it
for 2d yr. syntax this fall. The exercises that accompany each chapter also
appear to be well-designed and should work as well for your own study as
for the classroom.
If you want to move up one notch after that, check Stanley Porter's
_Idiom's of the Greek NT_ (Sheffield, 199x?). In between Porter and a major
reference grammar like Robertson or Blass/Debrunner/Funk will be Dan
Wallace's forthcoming _Beyond the Basics of Biblical GreeK: An Exegetical
Syntax of the NT_ (Zondervan, 1995?). This was originally due in Aug. in
time for the fall semester, but Zondervan was too optimistic and they have
now pushed the pub. date back to Nov. or Dec. I used it in pre-pub. draft
form last year as a pilot run. Unless the major revisions promised in the
final version prune it down a bit, it is too "heavy" for classroom
purposes. It will be ideal, however, as a reference tool for most students
and, in particular, pastors (for many of whom BDF or Robertson are simply
too much). It is designed, BTW, as a sequel to Mounce's first year grammar
that several have mentioned to you (_Basics of Biblical Greek_).
Rod
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rodney J. Decker Calvary Theological Seminary
Asst. Prof./NT 15800 Calvary Rd.
Kansas City, Missouri 64147
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
End of b-greek-digest V1 #769
*****************************
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
To unsubscribe from this list write
majordomo@virginia.edu
with "unsubscribe b-greek-digest" as your message content. For other
automated services write to the above address with the message content
"help".
For further information, you can write the owner of the list at
owner-b-greek@virginia.edu
You can send mail to the entire list via the address:
b-greek@virginia.edu