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b-greek-digest Monday, 3 July 1995 Volume 01 : Number 771
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ACH/ALLC '95
Re: Real or artificial
Re: made-up sentences ?
Re: made-up sentences ?
Re: Apocalyptic literature
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From: Eric Dahlin <hcf1dahl@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 95 09:12:20 PDT
Subject: ACH/ALLC '95
ACH/ALLC '95
July 11-15, 1995
Association for Computers and the Humanities
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University of California, Santa Barbara
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From: Ken Penner <kpenner@mail.unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 16:58:16 -0800
Subject: Re: Real or artificial
On 24 Jun 95 at 12:58, DR. KEN PULLIAM wrote:
> Up until this year I had always used a straight deductive
> approach to teaching using the standard first year books by
> Machen and later Ray Summers. This year I decided to use the
> book by William Mounce, BASICS OF BIBLICAL GREEK, which takes
> a more inductive approach.
I would still call Mounce's book deductive, though it doesn't
rely mainly on rote memorization; instead, it tries to explain
why the morphology works the way it does. Bill in his Workbook,
states that "we have tried to blend the two" methodologies (p.
11).
> The biggest weakness I see with the inductive approach,
> where the student is given portions of the NT almost from day
> one, is that they are overwhelmed with information before
> they can assimilate it.
Was this your experience when using Mounce's Workbook?
> I guess what I am saying is that from my standpoint the jury
> is still out on which is the best approach. I do believe
> however that you should get them in the NT as fast as you
> comfortably can.
In a research article, I suggested that a variety of approaches
was most likely to be effective because of the inadequacies of
using one methodology exclusively, and because of the
differences in the way each student learns best. I'd value
feedback and criticism from anyone on the paper. It's available
in HTML at http://www.netshop.bc.ca/~kpenner/teachgrk.htm
Ken Penner
Regent College
Vancouver, Canada
kpenner@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: Ken Penner <kpenner@mail.unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 16:58:16 -0800
Subject: Re: made-up sentences ?
On 26 Jun 95 at 14:41, D Mealand wrote:
> Some further points: made-up sentences sometimes seem to
> use Greek in ways which seem strange and occasional TLG tests
> show that no such pattern of words can be found in either
> classical or Hellenistic Greek.
What should our response to these findings be? Are we teaching
a non-existent language when we teach such patterns of words?
Or are they acceptable because a native Koine speaker would be
able to make sense of them?
> Why use sentences anyway? Do not some of the books offer
> connected passages whether made up or simplified originals.
> Are there not advantages in continuity?
Yes, I think larger passages are preferable because they are
more like what a Koine speaker/ reader would deal with. I am
working on the theory that to understand a language is to come
close to reproducing the images that would appear in the mind
of a native speaker. An unreachable goal, admittedly, but is
this not what we are working toward?
Ken Penner
Regent College
Vancouver, Canada
kpenner@unixg.ubc.ca
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From: WINBROW@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 20:31:28 -0400
Subject: Re: made-up sentences ?
> Some further points: made-up sentences sometimes seem to
> use Greek in ways which seem strange and occasional TLG tests show that no
such pattern of words can be found in either classical or Hellenistic Greek.<
"What should our response to these findings be? Are we teaching a
non-existent language when we teach such patterns of words? Or are they
acceptable because a native Koine speaker would be able to make sense of
them?"
It seems to me with the Greek NT on computer the days of making up sentences
should come to an end. I recall somewhere in Summers grammar he has a
sentence that someone went "out of the church" (ek ths ekklesias) and into
the synagogue. Surely this term does not refer to a building anywhere in the
NT. A simple find program for good NT examples is the MacBible from
Zondervan. A much more involved one is Gramcord. Both of these is available
for Mac or DOS and can be used to find sentences that are vocabulary specific
and also grammar specific. With little modification students can have extra
workbook material with which to learn inductively.
Carlton Winbery
LA College
Pineville, LA
Winbrow @aol.com
or Winbery@andria.lacollege.edu
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From: Shaughn Daniel <zxmli05@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 03:09:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Apocalyptic literature
>> 3. Therefore, which of the following is more true?
>> a) the majority of apocalyptic literature arose within Christianity
>> primarily from sects and gnostic groups
>> b) the majority of apocalyptic literature did not arise within
>>Christianity
>> primarily from sects and gnostic groups
>
>I still don't know how to answer this one.
>
>Are we assuming some kind of time frame? 1st 3 centuries, maybe, or are
>we including all of Christian history? How do we understand "sect"?
>
>Pat Tiller
>Harvard Divinity School
Pat,
I don't know for certain what Der Kleine Pauly has in mind with the word
"sects". I assume it is formed along the lines of Walter Bauer's thesis of
early christianities(!). Therefore, I would view the time frame being
before the official organization of christianity into a state religion.
I've taken some time to look through my library for information concerning
the various apocalypses of early christianity. Unfortunately, my sources
don't seem to be that interested in dating the documents. I doubt that I
will make a special trip to the university library for this, since this is
a bit off my studies in Paul, therefore, anyone who wants to fill in the
dates and/or add various other apocalypses that I've missed is welcome to
it.
APOCALYPSES OF EARLY CHRISTIANITY
- - Apocalypse of Peter (A.D. 100-150 according to Altaner, Patriologie 8th ed.)
- - The second coming of Christ and the resurrection of the dead
(Ethiopic text; Altaner comments that this is dependent on Ap. Pet.)
- - Apocalypse of Paul (other name = "Visio Pauli"; Tischendorf gives A.D. 380!)
- - Apocalypse of Paul
(Altaner "vielleicht ... ANABATIKON PAULOU (Epiph.haer. 38,2)")
- - First Apocalypse of James
- - Second Apocalypse of James
- - Apocalypse of Thomas
- - Two Apocalypses of John the Baptist
- - Many forms of Apocalypse of Mary
- - Apocalypse of Bartholomeus
- - Apocalypse of Zechariah
- - Apocalypse of Stephen
- - Apocalypse of Adam
Sources for listing:
Altaner-Stuiber, Patriologie 8th ed, section 40, pp. 140-144.
Index and various volumes of Ante-Nicene Fathers (Hendrickson).
Nag Hammadi Library, ed., James M. Robinson (HarperCollins).
Sincerely,
Shaughn Daniel
Tuebingen, Germany
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