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b-greek-digest Sunday, 29 October 1995 Volume 01 : Number 932
In this issue:
Re: Periphrastic Aorist
Re: New Testament Hymns & Greek Hymns
Re: Anonymous posting on textual criticism
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Re: Periphrastic Aorist
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 07:23:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Periphrastic Aorist
At 11:54 PM 10/27/95, BibAnsMan@aol.com wrote:
>I came across Acts 6:2 OUK ARESTON ESTIN hHMAS KATALEIYANTAS ...
>
>It sure seems like a Periphrastic Aorist to me. Is there any reason not to
>accept it as a periphrastic Aorist? Certainly KATALEIYANTAS directly
>complements ESTIN !
It certainly does NOT! The construction is really a fairly simple one:
hHMAS DIAKONEIN TRAPEZAIS is an infinitive phrase serving as the subject of
OUK ARESTON ESTIN; KATALEIYANTAS TON LOGON TOU QEOU is an adverbial
participial phrase dependent upon hHMAS.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:35:42 -0500
Subject: Re: New Testament Hymns & Greek Hymns
You wrote:
>I'm doing some research involving the New Testament "hymns" (John 1:1-14, C=
ol.
>1:15-20, Phil. 2, etc). I'm out of my area of limited knowledge and wonder=
if
>someone can help me with the following question: Where can I find some
>description of a "standard form" for classical or Koine hymns or poems? I =
have
>read most of the standard literature on the NT "hymns," which generally sa=
ys
>the NT "hymns" are not really in Greek hymn form, but I haven't been able t=
o
>define the form to try to reach any judgment on my own.
>
>Thanks for your help!
>
>Cal Redmond
>The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
>102630.1150@compuserve.com
I append a bibliography from an article I wrote that will be published in
the next issue of _Biblical Research_, the journal of the Chicago Society
for Biblical Research, titled "New Testament Hymnody as Epideictic." I did
not take the time to insert the marks to indicate italics.
People have already called attention to Norden and Lattke (who does not
think there are hymns in the NT). An old classic is the work by Kroll. The
article by Thraede is especially important, as are the tow items by Klaus
Berger. I put asterisks in front of the works that I think are especially
important. I recommend the article by Russell on Menander Rhetor and the
reading of the so-called "Sminthiac Hymn" in Menander Rhetor II.
Basic works for the NT are those by Deichgraeber, Schille, and Wengst.
Unfortunately, all the most important works are in German. If you can use
it, the first two works to consult are Thraede and Lattke.
There is a debate at present about the existence of prose hymns in the NT.
Lattke and Berger doubt their existence, Thraede supports them.
If you are interested, I could send you a short list of prose hymns in the
Greek world.
Bibliography: Epideiktik and Hymnody
Anderson, Graham. The Second Sophistic. A Cultural Phenomenon in the Roman
Empire. London and New York: Routledge, 1993.
Aphthonius, Aphthonii Progymnasmata, ed. H. Rabe. Rhetores Graeci X.
Leipzig: B. G. Teubner, 1926.
Bergman, J. Ich bin Isis. Studien zum memphitischen Hintergrund der griech.
Isisaretalogien. Uppsala: 1968. [Not available to me.]
Bowie, E. L. "Greek Poetry in the Antonine Age," Antonine Literature, ed.
D. A. Russell. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1990, pp. 53-90.
Buchheit, V. Untersuchungen zur Theorie des Genos Epideiktikon von Gorgias
bis Aristoteles. Munich: [C. H. Beck?], 1960. [Not available to me]
* Burgess, Theodore Chalon. Epideictic Literature. pp. 89-261 in _Studies
in Classical Philology_ 3. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1902.
Dieterich, Albrecht. Eine Mithrasliturgie. 3. Aufl. by Otto Weinreich.
Leipzig and Berlin: B. G. Teubner, 1923.
Pseudo-Dionysius of Halicarnassus. "Ars Rhetorica," Dionysii Halicarnei
Opuscula, ed. Herman Usener and Ludwig Radermacher. 2 vol. Leipzig: B. G.
Teubner, 1904, II. 253-385
* Guthrie, W. K. C. "Hymns," OCD 443-44.
Harding, Mark. "The Classical Rhetoric of Praise and the New Testament,"
The Reformed Theological Review 45 (1986) 73-82.
Heitsch, E. Die griechischen Dichterfragmente der r=F6mischen Kaiserzeit. 2
vol. G=F6ttingen: Vandenhoeck und Ruprecht, 1961-1964. [Not available to me]
Hermogenes, of Tarsus. Hermogenes. Ed Rabe. Rhetores Graeci VI. Leipzig: B.
G. Teubner, 1913.
* H=F6fler, A. Der Serapishymnos des Ailios Aristides. T=FCbinger Beitr=E4ge=
zur
Altertumswissenschaft 27. Stuttgart: W. Kohlhammer Verlag, 1935.
Kennedy, George A. Greek Rhetoric Under Christian Emperors . Princeton:
Princeton University Press, 1983.
Lebek, W. "Ein Hymnos auf Antinoos," ZPE 12 (1973) 101-137.
* MacMullen, Ramsay. Paganism in the Roman Empire. New Haven: Yale
University Press, 1981 (especially pp. 15-24, with the notes on pp.
147-150).
- --------, and Eugene N. Lane. Paganism and Christianity 100-425 C.E.
Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1992.
Martin, J. Antike Rhetorik.: Technik und Methode. HAW 2.3. M=FCnchen: C. H.
Beck, 1974.
* Menander. Menander Rhetor. Ed D. A. Russell and N. G. Wilson. Oxford:
Clarendon Press, 1981. Contains the text, translation and commentary on the
"Sminthiac Hykmn."
Mitford, T. B. "No. 104. Antinoos, the Favorite of Hadrian, Honored in a
Dactylic Hymn by a Legatus Provinciae, A. D. 130/1," pp. 195-99 in _The
Inscriptions of Kourion_. Memoirs of the American Philosophical Society 83.
Philadelphia: American Philosophical Society, 1971.
Nicolas. Progymnasmata, ed. Joseph Felten. Rhetores Graeci XI. Leipzig: B.
G. Teubner, 1913.
* Norden, Eduard. Die antike Kunstprosa. 3rd ed. Leipzig: B. G. Teubner, 192=
3.
Peek, W. Der Isishymnos von Andros und verwandte Texts. Berlin: Weidmann,
1930. [Not available to me]
Powell, J. U. Collectanea Alexandrina. Reliquiae minores Poetarum
Graecorum Aetatis Ptolemaicae 323-146 A.C. Epicorum, Elegiacorum,
Lyricorum, Ethicorum. Cum Epimetris et Indice Nominum. Oxford: Clarendon
Press, 1925 =3D Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1970.
Powell, J. U., and E. A. Barber, New Chapters in the History of Greek
Literature First Series. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1921; Second Series.
Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1929.
Powell, J. U. New Chapters in the History of Greek Literature Third
Series. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1933.
* Russell, D[onald]. A[ndrew]. "Aristides and the Prose Hymn," pp. 199-216
in Antonine Literature, ed. D. A. Russell. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1990.
Race, W. H. "Aspects of Rhetoric and Form in Greek Hymns," GRBS 23 (1982) 5=
- -14.
Spengel, Leonhard, ed. Rhetores Graeci . 3 vol. Leipzig. B. G. Teubner, 1856=
.
Volkmann, Richard. Die Rhetorik der Griechen und R=F6mer in systematischer
=DCbersicht.. 2. Aufl. Leipzig: B. G. Teubner, 1885.
W=FCnsch, R. "Hymnus," PW 9,1 (1914) 140-183.
* Ziegler, K. "Hymnos," Der kleine Pauly 2. 1268-1271.
BIBLIOGRAPHY:Rhetoric and the New Testament
=46orbes, Christopher. "Comparison, Self-Praise and Irony: Paul's Boasting
and the Conventions of Hellenistic Rhetoric," NTS 32 (1986) 1-30.
BIBLIOGRAPHY; NT HYMNODYNT
I restrict this to titles that deal with hymnody in general;
monographs on specific hymns or New Testament passages are cited only if
valuable for some generic comments.
* Berger, Klaus. "=A7 69 Hymnus und Gebet," pp. 239-247 in _Formgeschichte
des Neuen Testaments_. Heidelberg: Quelle & Meyer, 1984.
* --------. "Hellenistische Gattungen im Neuen Testament," ANRW II.25.2.
1031-1432. "Hymnus und Gebet," pp. 1149-69, treats the hellenistic hymn.
Cullmann, Oscar. The Earliest Christian Confessions. London: Lutterworth,
1949.
* Deichgr=E4ber, Reinhard. Gotteshymnus und Christushymnus in der fr=FChen
Christenheit. Untersuchungen zu Form, Sprache und Stil der fr=FChchristliche=
n
Hymnen. SUNT 5. G=F6ttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1967.
Delling, Gerhard. Worship in the New testament. Philadelphia:
Westminster, 1962.
- --------. "HUMNOS", HUMNEW, etc."," TDNT 8.489-501.
Dibelius, M. "Literatur zur Formgeschichte des Neuen Testaments au=DFerhalb
den Evangelien," TRu 3 (1931) 207-242.
Dunn, James D. G. Unity and Diversity in the New Testament. 2nd ed.
Philadelphia: Trinity Press International, 1990.
=46oley, Edward. "The Question of Cultic Singing in the Christian World of
the First Century. Notre Dame. Master of Arts Thesis, 1980.
=46owl. Stephen E. The Story of Christ in the Ethics of Paul. JSNT SS 36.
Sheffield: JSOT Press, 1990.
Gabathuler, H. J. Jesus Christus, Haupt der Kirche, Haupt der Welt. Der
Christus-Hymnus Colosser 1.15/20 in der theologischen Forschung der letzten
130 Jahre. ATANT 45. Zurich: Zwingli Verlag, 1965.
Hahn, Ferdinand. Worship of the Early Church. Philadelphia: Fortress, 1973=
.
Harding, Mark. "The Classical Rhetoric of Praise and the New Testament,"
The Reformed Theological Review 45 (1986) 73-82.
Hengel, Martin. "Hymns and Christology," Studia Biblica 1978. JSNTSS 3.
Sheffield: JSOT Press, 1980; rep.: Jesus and Paul. Tr. John Bowden.
Philadelphia: Fortress, 1983. German original, "Hymnus und Christologie,"
Wort in der Zeit. Festgabe f=FCr Karl Heinrich Rengstorf zum 75. Geburtstag.
Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1980.
Hunter, A. M. Paul and His Predecessors. 2nd ed. Philadelphia: Westminster,
1961 (=3D1940).
Kim, Seyoon. The Origin of Paul's Gospel. T=FCbingen: J. C. B. Mohr, 1981.
Klinzing, Georg. Die Umdeutung des Kultus in der Qumrangemeinde und im
Neuen Testament. SUNT 7. G=F6ttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1971.
Kramer, Werner. Christ, Lord, Son of God. Naperville: Alec R. Allenson, 19=
66.
* Kroll,. Joseph. Die christliche Hymnodik bis zu Klemens von Alexandria.
Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, 1968 (=3D1921-1922).
- --------. "Die Hymnendichtung des fr=FChen Christentums (ausserhalb den
Evangelien)," _Die Antike_ 2 (1926) 258-281.
* Lattke, M. Hymnische Materialien zu einer Geschichte der antiken
Hymnologie. NT und Orbis Antiquus 19. Freibourg: Universit=E4tsverlag;
G=F6ttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1991.
* Martin, Ralph. "Aspects of Worship in the New Testament," Vox Evangelica
2 (1963) 6-32.
- --------. Carmen Christi. Philippians ii.5-11 in recent Interpretation and
in the Setting of Early Christian Worship. SNTSMS 4. Cambridge: University
Press, 1967.
- --------."Some Reflections on New Testament Hymns," Christ the Lord. Ed.
Harold H. Rowden. Leicester: Inter Varsity Press, 1982.
- --------. Worship in the Early Church. Westwood: Fleming H. Revell, 1964.
Moule, C. F. D. Worship in the New Testament. Richmond: John Knox, 1961.
Neufeld, Vernon H. The Earliest Christian Confessions. Grand Rapids:
Eerdmans, 1963.
* Norden, Eduard. Agnostos Theos. Leipzig: B. G. Teubner, 1913. [reprinted
after 1960].
Oesterley, W. O. E. The Jewish Background of the Christian Liturgy. Oxford:
Clarendon Press, 1925.
* Quasten, Johannes. Music & Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity. NPM
Studies in Church Music and Liturgy. Washing;ton. D.C.: National
Association of Pastoral Musicians, 1983.
Sanders, Jack T. The New Testament Christological Hymns: Their Historical
Religious Background. SNTSMS 15. Cambridge: At the University Press, 1971.
Schattenmann, Johannes. Studien zum neutestamentlichen Prosahymnus. Munich:
C. H. Beck, 1965.
* Schille, Gottfried. Fr=FChchristliche Hymnen. 2. Aufl. Berlin: Evangelisch=
e
Verlagsanstalt, 1965.
Schweizer, Eduard. "Worship in the New Testament," Reformed and
Presbyterian World 24 (1957) 196-205.
Smith, W. S. Musical Aspects of the New Testament. Amsterdam: Uitgeverij W.
Ten Have N.V., 1962.
* Thraede, Klaus. "Hymnus I," RAC . Lf. 126 (1993) col. 916-946.
Treu, Kurt. "Ein altkirchlicher Christushymnus (P. Berol. 16 389)," NovT 19
(1977) 142-149.
* Wengst, Klaus. Christologische Formeln und Lieder des Urchristentums.
G=FCtersloh: Gerd Mohn, 1973.
Edgar Krentz, New Testament
Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
Tel.: 312-256-0752; (H) 312-947-8105
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From: David Moore <dvdmoore@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Anonymous posting on textual criticism
Edward Hobbs <EHOBBS@wellesley.edu> wrote:
>The ONLY one of them who argued that scribes tended to add rather than omit was
>my student Jim Royse (at that time also teaching philosophy at San Francisco
>State, where he may still be), who over-generalized the results of his
>extremely limited study of a few papyri. If several dozen more
>dissertations on the issue, studying some uncials, above all post-300CE
>uncials, were to show the same, we would have to rethink this question.
>
>May I also remind the List that scribes copied MUCH other material than New
>Testament documents! There actually is (believe it or not!) a discipline
>called Textual Criticism among classicists. Some of you might wish to read the
>great works on this issue by A. E. Housman (who, in his lifetime, was NOT known
>as the poet who wrote "A Shropshire Lad".. One of my many favorite statements
>by Housman is: "To do textual criticism, you must have brains, not pudding, in
>your head." Scribes didn't suddenly develop new habits when the documents
>before them were "Christian."
>
>Further, the List might consider that we have a well-trained Textual Critic
>(New Testament, too!) on this List: Larry Hurtado. It might be worth while
>listening to his words. At least in comparison with an Anonymous Poster, his
>credentials are good!
A study by Colwell that suggested that the longer reading might be
preferred in some cases concentrated on early papyri (P45, P66 and P75 -
all 3rd Century or earlier) which showed considerable numbers of singular
or nonsense readings (E.C. Colwell, "Method in Evaluating Scribal
Habits...," in _Studies in Methodology in Textual Criticism of the New
Testament_, ed. Bruce Metzger [Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1969]). But as
Edward Hobbs emphasizes, such results should not be generalized into
implications that would include all MSS.
In the practice of textual criticism among classicists, as
mentioned above, it is a rule of first-order importance that between two
more or less equally attested readings the shorter is to be preferred.
This same rule is also applicable to the NT MSS in a general way. The
situation in NT textual criticism is, however, in at least one sense,
different than it is in the classics. There are a great many more MSS of
the NT than we have of any of the classical works. And among those many
MSS, there is a wide gamut of variations in both the type of text (i.e.
strict to free) and in the type of scribal work done in their copying
(i.e. from copies possibly made for personal use to those copied by
professional scribes). Because of this variation, the more the textual
critic knows about the character and history of each individual MS, the
more informed will be his decisions in the work of establishing the
eclectic text that best reflects the autographs.
The studies indicate that there are MSS for which we may have
reason to prefer the longer reading, but studies that have been done so
far do not seem to warrant any shift toward adopting this as a general
rule. If there is to be more light shed on this subject, it will depend
on the more general availability of the individual MSS, either in
high-quality facsimile or in faithful transcription. The aparati of the
Greek New Testament editions are helpful but lack a great deal of the
information necessary to make informed decisions on the character of the
individual MSS. I wish all possible success to overtures that would make
such facsimiles and transcriptions more readily available to NT scholars
in their various parts of the world.
David L. Moore Southeastern Spanish District
Miami, Florida of the Assemblies of God
dvdmoore@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us Department of Education
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 07:18:57 +0900
Subject: [none]
(Association of International Students, Executive Board of Directors,
Japan Chapter)
Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles
- -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and *email* it back to the company. To make
it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To"
field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this
message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <-----
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REQUEST FOR MORE INFO: please return *only* this section only via
internet email to:
potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int
Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged. If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :)
Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:
Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:
Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when they call you:
Catalogue format desired from below two choices:
(1. 19-part email message; 2. atttached file by email; see below on
which format may be best for you).
How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Yoshio Koseki's referral
102895-l
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{{{Note- 19-part email can be received by anyone with any computer.
Attached file format may not be for you: it is sent as an uncompressed
525K file formatted in Microsoft World on a Mac; if you don't use
Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to convert into a
usable text format. They cannot help you with this. If in doubt, they
suggest you go with the universally acceptable 19-part email message. You
can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one
whole.}}}
Hi fellow 'netters,
My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.
Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price
guarantee.
Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines. On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas. In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours. They are so cheap in the USA! Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members. They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves! This is their price guarantee. Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business! Please fill out the below form and email to
them at:
potential.new.members.info@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int
*NOTE: to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in
the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to
reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:"
field.*
They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.
They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to
Finland and then back again when I moved last month. They are very
knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.
They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA. They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.
They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 35 or 36 countries now. Outside the USA there is a
charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs)
that varies from magazine to magazine. I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous. They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.
The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member. When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call. He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.
He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff. If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.
He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising. When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!
They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.
They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.
Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.
Sincerely,
Yoshio Koseki
ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it! It is a great deal! If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join! If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occassion. Please make sure to mention my name when
you join. I will get a free magazine for a year for referring you.
Thank you.
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From: "Carlton L. Winbery" <winberyc@linknet.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:39:22 +0400
Subject: Re: Periphrastic Aorist
Jim McGuire wrote:
>I came across Acts 6:2 OUK ARESTON ESTIN hHMAS KATALEIYANTAS ...
>
>It sure seems like a Periphrastic Aorist to me. Is there any reason not to
>accept it as a periphrastic Aorist? Certainly KATALEIYANTAS directly
>complements ESTIN !
>
>A.T. Robertson says there is only one periphrastic aorist in the N.T.
>(Robertson's big grammar, p. 375. It is interesting that Robertson footnotes
>Blass for the facts on this. But, Blass/DeBrunner seems to include John
>18:30 EI MH HN hOUTOS KAKON POIHSAS (p. 180, Sect. 355).
Carl Conrad is right that KATALEIYANTAS is adverbial. The periphrastic
aorist consist of the imperfect of EIMI with the aorist participle.
Robertson is right that the only one is a variant reading in John 18:38.
There is possibly a periphrastic middle in 2 Cor. 5:19 but it may be that
HN goes with KATALASSWN. Periphrastic constructions usually emphasize the
continuation of action, and so the rarity of the aorist periphrastic is not
surprizing since the aorist is normally unmarked for continuing action.
Carlton Winbery
Prof. Religion
LA College,
Pineville, La
winberyc@linknet.net
fax 318 442 4996
Carlton Winbery
Prof. Religion
LA College,
Pineville, La
winberyc@linknet.net
fax 318 442 4996
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