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b-greek-digest Thursday, 30 November 1995 Volume 01 : Number 021
In this issue:
Re: Bible study software? (fwd)
Re: Vocabulary book
Re: Answer sheets for BBG
Re: Bible Software
Standardized Transliteration
Romans !6:1-2.
Junia/Junias nochmals
TLG
Re: Bible study software? (fwd)
Re: Textual Problems in Mark 7:24, 28
TLG -- Writers' list
Ken's quest for Vocabulary tables <10x
Junias Redivivus!
Word Perfect DOS conversions
Re: TLG -- Writers' list
Re: Junias Redivivus!
Re: Standardized Transliteration
Re: Ken's quest for Vocabulary tables <10x
Re: Bible study software? (fwd)
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From: "D. Peterson" <harpbard@ccnet.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:48:30 -0800
Subject: Re: Bible study software? (fwd)
>Likewise the search engines in many of the systems are quite simple; for
>example in the On-Line Bible were one do a search in Greek on "XAPIS", the
>system will not find matches of the form "XAPIC" (i.e. different forms of
>the final sigma).
Not so. The search is done using the strongs #, not "XARIS". That gets you
not only XARIC, but also every inflection of the root.
Yes, OLB does not have diacriticals, punctuation, etc. However, the
manuscripts of the NT don't have those either. At least OLB has spaces
between the words. :)
It is true, though that you can't replace your trusty Nestle-Aland with one
of these programs. That wasn't the question, however.
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From: "Keith A. Clay" <keithc@ramlink.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:16:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Vocabulary book
Sorry, I sent this only to Ken the first time!
> Does anyone have suggestions for a book to get or avoid to learn the
>Greek vocabulary of the NT which occurs less than 10X? I've got
>Metzger's lexical aids to do 10X or more, but nothing that is a
>vocabulary book to learn the less-frequent vocab. I know of a couple of
>titles but our bookstore only has one so I can't compare them.
>Thanks.
>
>
>Ken Litwak
>GTU
>Bezerkley, CA
>
>
I have found Warren C. Trenchard's book on NT Greek Vocabulary very good.
Info:
The Student's Complete Guide to the Greek New Testament: Complete frequency
lists, cognate groupings and principal parts
Published: 1992 Zondervan - Grand Rapids
ISBN: 031-053-341-4
OCLC: 26767217
This has all the GNT vocab in frequency order (so ho, hn, to is first down
to the words that occur only once.) I have found this very helpful for
learn vocab. I have used the book so much that I finally had to have it
rebound (into a ring binder which is better - the bounding seems to be less
than the best.) Hope this helps.
keith a. clay
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Keith A. Clay Tri-State Oxygen, Inc
4013 Blackburn Avenue 2927 Greenup Avenue
Ashland, KY 41101-5019 P.O. Box 121
(606)325-8331 Ashland, KY 41105-0121
(606)329-9638
(800)828-1620
School Address:
100 Academic Parkway
Kentucky Christian College
Box 171
Grayson, KY 41143
e-mail: keithc@ramlink.net
Fax: (606)325-8331 -- my computer answers both my phone and receives faxes.
(606)325-9962 -- Tri-State Oxygen fax
==========================================================================
"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found
difficult and left untried." -- G. K. Chesterton
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From: "Keith A. Clay" <keithc@ramlink.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:25:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Answer sheets for BBG
>I am trying to decide whether to release the answer sheets to the workbook
>for Basics of Biblical Greek through my web page. How do you feel about
>students being able to get the answers to both parsing and exercises. The
>answers to the exercises are no big deal since students can read the verse
>in the Bible. And the answers to the parsings are actually in ParseWorks.
>
>Are any of you still using the quizzes I included with the Teacher's
>Packet? I may want to release those as well so the students can practice.
>
>
>Bill Mounce
>
>-------------------------------
I don't see it as a problem. It is true that some students may access this
information instead of actually doing the work, but their day of reckoning
is sure to come. Also, since most of those (I know not all - some do it to
get a better degree, a BA instead of a BS) who are taking greek are doing so
to learn it then hopefully they would not wish to cheat in this way. For
those who are doing it on their own, or wish to see the correct
parsing/translation, it could be a great tool. As one who works full-time
and goes to school and has actually used your Grammar, there were times that
I could have used that information to answer some questions I had. When you
live 30 miles from school and it is a long distance call, you don't usually
have the access to the professor that traditional students have. I hope
this weights in favor of releasing this informatio.
keith a. clay
greek student-novice grade
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Keith A. Clay Tri-State Oxygen, Inc
4013 Blackburn Avenue 2927 Greenup Avenue
Ashland, KY 41101-5019 P.O. Box 121
(606)325-8331 Ashland, KY 41105-0121
(606)329-9638
(800)828-1620
School Address:
100 Academic Parkway
Kentucky Christian College
Box 171
Grayson, KY 41143
e-mail: keithc@ramlink.net
Fax: (606)325-8331 -- my computer answers both my phone and receives faxes.
(606)325-9962 -- Tri-State Oxygen fax
==========================================================================
"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found
difficult and left untried." -- G. K. Chesterton
==========================================================================
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From: "Maurice A. O'Sullivan" <mauros@iol.ie>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:05:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Bible Software
"Alan D. Bulley" <s458507@aix1.uottawa.ca> wrote:
>>Yet one thing is lacking in acCordance 1.1: the ability to read
the PHI and TLG disks. The Gramcord people tell me this is something they
are looking into, but not to hold my breath.<<
That's yet another good reason for using BibleWindows from Silver Mountain
Software --- add-ons for PHI and TLG are available,
Maurice A. O'Sullivan [ Bray, Ireland ]
mauros@iol.ie
[using Eudora Pro v 2.1.2 ]
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From: craigos@ix6.ix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:37:32 +0000
Subject: Standardized Transliteration
I have been reading on this list for a few months and have a list
oriented question:
Is there a standard format for the transliterations?
Thanks in advance for the help.
maranatha,
Craig
- ---------------------------------
In everything give thanks,
for this is the will of God,
in Christ Jesus concerning you!
Craig (Eph 5:25),
Nancy (Pro 31),
Ginger(Phil 3:2)
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From: alison@ozemail.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:13:07 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Romans !6:1-2.
This is a translation of Romans 16:1-2 carried out by Lorain Delaney who is a
Lecturer in New Testament Greek at Morling College (Baptist Thelogical)
Sydney.
As she does not have Email access I forward this to the list with her
permission for your comment.
Romans 16:1-2
Sunisthmi de _min Foibhn thn _delfhn _mwn o_san
1ps vt pia dp asf gp e_mi asf ptc pr act
[kai] diakonsn thV _kklhsiaV thV _n KegcreiaV
asm/f gsf gsf adj cl +dat
_na a_thn prodexhsqe _n Kuri_ _xiwV twn
+subj purpose cl asf A1 subj pass +dat dsm adv gpm
_giwn kai parasthte a_th _n _ _n
gpm paristhmi 2ppA2subj nsf +dat rel pron dsm +subj
_mwn cr_z_ pragmati_ kai gar a_th
gpm 3ps subj pres creia dsn emphatic/indeed nsf
accensive
prostatiV pollwn _genhqh kai _mou a_tou
nsf gp adj 3psA2pass accensive emphatic gs gsm reflexive
Translation:
I recommend to you our sister Phoebe, being a servant of the church which is
in Cenchrea, I trust (my wish is) that you have received her in the Lord in a
worthy manner and have given her whatever assistance she may require of you
for indeed she has become prostatiV of many; even me.
Sunisthmi - commend, recommend, give approval to, show, prove, demonstrate.
_xiwV - adverb of manner + gen ie in a manner worthy of (ie Christians) in a
manner worthy twn _giwn (of the saints)
Foibhn - Phoebe - a gentile Christian inferred from her name which finds its
origin in pagan mythology
thn _delfhn _mwn - our sister - indicates membership/relationship within the
Christian community
o_san... k.t.l. indicates Phoebe is a diakonoV. In line with general New
Testament teaching diakonsV can only be seen as office in two New Testament
references. These two only possible references in the New Testament are (1)
Phillipians 1:1 where Paul addresses the Bishops and deacons and (2) 1 Timothy
3:8 where previous section on the qualifications for the office of bishop
(linked with _sautwV ie in the same manner as the bishops) supports that
rendering of the office of deacon. (NB: the qualification in no way matches up
with the "7" in Acts).
diakonsV has no separate feminine form therefore we can conclude that there is
no such office of deaconness only male or female deacons/servants. diakonsV
and its cognates should be interpreted in terms of function ie a servant not
office (deacon).
In this verse however we have no such supportive evidence and in the light of
the weight of internal evidence (NT) I find there is no alternative but to
give the diakonsn its true rendering of servant. So then with some
translations to render diakonsn as deacon/deaconness is clearly out of line
and a possible meagre attempt to give this woman of stature some degree of
honour. BUT it has missed the mark.
Apart from Phillipians 1 and 1 Timothy 3:8 every reference in the NT where
diakonsV is used it clearly indicates FUNCTION not office ie servant NOT
DEACON.
thV introduces an adjectival clause.
_na + subjunctive = purpose clause (not result). Introduces a statement of
two-fold purpose of Paul's commendation of Phoebe.
1. a_thn prodexhsqe _n Kuri_ _xiwV twn _giwn - in the first instance Paul
wants the Christians in Rome to welcome Phoebe "in the Lord" ie as Christians
receiving a fellow Christian loved for the Lord's sake. The words _xiwV twn
_giwn (worthy of Christians/worthy of saints/in a worthy manner) adds nothing
that goes beyond _n Kuri_ in actual content but call into plan a special motif
for required Christian behaviour, namely the motif of Christian self-respect,
of respect for one's own dignity and extending to respect and dignity towards
others as someone who belongs to Christ. _n Kuri_ signifying the manner in
which they are to regard their leaders.
2. kai parasthte a_th _n _ _n _mwn cr_z_ pragmati_ - assist her in any
(_n) possible way - whatever it may be - in which she has need. They are
instructed to loyally stand beside her - assist her, support her._n + subj. is
significant in as much as it is not specific - whatever is required of them
they are to stand beside her and give practical/spiritual aid where necessary.
It is all inclusive.
kai gar a_th prostatiV pollwn _genhqh kai _mou a_tou. For she has
become a prostatiV of many - even me - adds a further reason why they ought to
be ready to help Phoebe. She herself has already become (Aor. Pass) a
prostatiV of many - including Paul himself. Note that Paul was itinerant -
this was a settled church. For ministry comparisons and functions cf Didache
and proisthmi = to set over to appoint with authority, to preside, to govern,
to superintend, one who stands in front of, before, a leader, a protector,
champion, patron, to be at the head of, to rule, direct, manage, conduct. Used
of officials and administrators - it carries the additional idea of caring,
giving aid.
It means to take over the direction of the people, to be president, to
preside.
The o_ pro_stamenoi are a special group separated by the Spirit for
the primary task of caring for others. It's a caring/authority role with an
emphasis equally upon pastoral care and the sense of a great deal of
authority. Very often in the NT we find the verb form which would indicate
function but here - a noun which could indicate office.
pro_sthmi and its noun/adjectival/participial/cognates is, in the NT
used in the sense of caring authority cf 1 Timothy 5:17 "the elders who rule
well". 1 Timothy 3:4 where the Bishop must "manage/rule his own household well
keeping his own children in submission". 1 Timothy 3:5 "if a man does not know
how to manage his own household". 1 Timothy 3:12. Romans 12:8, 1 Thessolians
5:12 et al. In such instances pro_sthmi has been translated as rule,
authority, manage etc because the subject is man - here however used of a
woman the translaters have seemingly found difficulty and chosen to translate
according to their own limited cultural context.
Translation I recommend to you our sister Phoebe being a servant of
the church which is in Cenchraea. I trust that you have received her in the
Lord in a manner worthy of the saints and have given her whatever assistance
she may require of you. For she has become a leader of many even me.
This verse was not taken in isolation without regard to the exegetical
context ie literary, historical and theological. The sources used in this
research has included the Septuagint, Patristic literature, Hellenistic
literature, Ante-Nicaean fathers in addition to the NT.
Lorraine R. Delaney 12/1980
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:23:59 -0600
Subject: Junia/Junias nochmals
Larry Swain, whose persistent rephrasing of critical challenges to views I
have sometimes expressed has been such a boon to my thinking that I miss
his presence on b-greek for some time now, has sent me a note on the
recurrence of the Junia/Junias problem on the ELENCHUS list. It has exposed
another level of my ignorance and occasions a general question that does
have a bearing on this one.
First the citation (I won't name the original sender):
>Is there any evidence whether the person Paul refers to in the accusative
>*IOUNIAN in Romans 16:7 was a man or a woman? Aland's NT edition prints
>*IOUNIA=N (with circumflex on the alpha), thereby implying he was a man
>named *IOUNIA=S (cf. *BARNABA=S). Of course, reading *IOUNI/AN (with acute
>on the second iota) would be possible in principle (and in this case she
>could, though need not, be a woman). - I was surprised by the statement
>that the Apostle is a woman named Junia and that the passage has been
>misread in the past.
My comment on the basic question:
Yes, the form IOUNIAS with circumflex on the "A" is a theoretically
masculine form, but the problem is that it's a Latin name, and the Greek
masculine equivalent of the Latin name would surely be IOUNIOS. I really
think the proof must go the other way around: it needs to be shown why the
form is NOT feminine, which is what it appears to be.
My query:
Do we really have any EARLY evidence for accentuation of such names in the
Greek MSS? I just don't know enough, but my impression is that the accents
are not present at all in the older uncial MSS and that their appearance in
the cursive MSS is not necessarily a reliable indication. So is there any
significant evidence that the accent on IOUNIAN actually WAS a circumflex
on the A? In other words, is that supposedly masculine ending on the name
really ancient or might it well be a product of copyists who make the
assumption that it was a masculine name?
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:19:05 -36000
Subject: TLG
Question:
I am wondering if there is a file on the TLG CD that lists all
of the authors. I am trying to help someone look up authors, but we
don't know all of the latin names and haven't been able to guess them.
The program we are using does not allow one to see a list of authors, at
least not as far as we know.
Thanks in advance.
- ------------------------------
Travis Bauer
bauer@acc.jc.edu
homepage: http://acc.jc.edu/~bauer/
Indifference will be the
downfall of America.
But then again, who cares?
- -----------------------------
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From: Stephen Carlson <scc@reston.icl.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:18:43 EST
Subject: Re: Bible study software? (fwd)
D. Peterson wrote:
> >Likewise the search engines in many of the systems are quite simple; for
> >example in the On-Line Bible were one do a search in Greek on "XAPIS", the
> >system will not find matches of the form "XAPIC" (i.e. different forms of
> >the final sigma).
>
> Not so. The search is done using the strongs #, not "XARIS". That gets you
> not only XARIC, but also every inflection of the root.
In the OLB version I have, Strong's # are only available in the English
(KJV) module, not the Greek module, and are of course keyed to the
Textus Receptus instead of the NA26/UBS3. Thus, they are not useful for
serious Greek work.
> Yes, OLB does not have diacriticals, punctuation, etc. However, the
> manuscripts of the NT don't have those either. At least OLB has spaces
> between the words. :)
Lack of diacriticals, punctuation, and case also simplify the searching,
which I suppose is the real reason.
> It is true, though that you can't replace your trusty Nestle-Aland with one
> of these programs. That wasn't the question, however.
This point deserves reiteration.
Stephen Carlson
- --
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scc@reston.icl.com : and songs chant the words. : 11490 Commerce Park Dr.
(703) 648-3330 : Shujing 2:35 : Reston, VA 22091 USA
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:53:01 +0800
Subject: Re: Textual Problems in Mark 7:24, 28
Carlton, I noted myself Metzger's argument about Mark not using nai elsewhre.
However, I somewhat question the wisdom of making textual decisions
based on word usage in that way. If an author uses a word one time, then he
or she uses it one timme. I don't find that a convincing argument. I don't
see how the reading of P45 et al explains the other readings in v.28, however,
so mmaybe I'm mssiing something? Thanks.
Ken Litwak
GTU
Bezerkely, CA
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From: Edward Hobbs <EHOBBS@wellesley.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:28:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: TLG -- Writers' list
Travis Bauer asks about a list of the authors cited in TLG. There is a
standard volume for this, published by Oxford University Press. Title:
_Thesaurus Linguae Graecae: Can of Greek Authors and Works_
by Luci Berkowitz and Karl A. Squitier, with technical assistance from
William A. Johnson. My copy is of the Third Edition, 1990.
It catalogs more than 9,400 individual works, nearly 3,200 authors.
The Third is the latest edition. Current price is $39.95; but if you place an order directly before the ed of January, you can get it for $32.00 (plus
$3.50 shipping for first book -- $1.00 for additional titles or copies).
Phone 1-800-451-7556. Tell them you saw it on page 49 of their current
"Classical Studies" catalog. If you aren't on a faculty, don't tell the
operator; they will assume you are, since you get this catalog.
Incidentally, Berkowitz and Squitier are at U. C. Irvine, home of
the TLG --she is Professor of Classics, he is Research Classicist and
the TLG --she is Professor of Classics, he is Research Classicist and
Historian.
If you use the TLG seriously, you can't do without this book at your
side.
Edward Hobbs
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From: Edward Hobbs <EHOBBS@wellesley.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:46:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ken's quest for Vocabulary tables <10x
If I understand what Ken is asking for (I assume he means he wants lists
of words occurring 9x, 8x, 7x, etc. in the NT), there is only one inexpensive
and reasonably accurate book:
Warren C. Trenchard, _The Student's Complete Vocabulary Guide to
the Greek New Testament", Zondervan 1992.
It even lists all the hapax legomena!
But if you don't want lists of that sort, there are (better, I think)
ways to learn such words: In context. I.e., chapters of the NT are
listed in order, with words occurring less than 10x given, with a quickie
translation. Recent, and with frequency tables of various sorts included, is:
_Reading New Testament Greek_, by Scott, Dean, Sparks, and LaZar.
Hendrickson, 1993.
There are a few errata, though not frequent. Unhappily, the VERY FIRST Greek
word given is eimi, with an incorrect accent! Cheap, too -- $14.95.
Sakae Kubo's _A Reader's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament_ is the
old standby of this type, done a little more elaborately; it is now from
Zondervan, but I don't know the price. Hardback, so probably not cheap.
My 1978 printing was $9.95 -- alas, probably triple by now.
Edward Hobbs
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From: Edward Hobbs <EHOBBS@wellesley.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:26:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Junias Redivivus!
Carl Conrad raises the question about the accentuation of Iounian in Rom.16:7
with a question about how far back these accents go.
We went through all this a couple of years ago or so; we seem to
have to re-invent the wheel with regularity!
The oldest uncials of course do not have accents. Was there a
(secret, never-revealed) quasi-Masoretic tradition among early Christian
copyists as to accentuation? To ask the question is to answer it.
But the really more significant question is: What is the tradition
of accentuation of this name? And the fact is that the final circumflex is
VERY RECENT! (I.e., 20th century!). To my knowledge, NO MS. gives this accent!
Even Hort's 1881 text gives IouNIan, acute on penult, thus feminine. And
this accentuation is also found inserted by second corrector even in B and D.
Wierdly enough, Metzger's note on this passage only discusses the
variant "Ioulian", saying not a word about changing a woman into a man and
moving+changing the accent from its universal form in the MS tradition!
The feminine name "Iounia" is very common. The (imaginary, masculine)
name "Iounias" is non-existent. It was invented (clumsily, as Carl notes!)
to eliminate a female apostle. Bauer's largely-excellent Lexicon is marred
by this entry as one of his stupidest definitions (that it is the common
woman's name Iounia "is ruled out by the context"!). If Danker doesn't
change this is his latest revised translation, I will never drink Scotch
with him again. [Above: this IN his latest]
Heaven knows, we have enough problems with male chauvinism, without
having to INSERT them into the text!
- --Edward C. Hobbs
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From: Bill Mounce <billm@teknia.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:24:03 -0700
Subject: Word Perfect DOS conversions
Someone told me that Word Perfect DOS 5.1 has the macro capabiity to
convert the different character sets in Word Perfect to other characters. I
am looking for a way to convert a bunch of files that use Zondervan's
Scripture Fonts into Windows. None of the normal conversions work because
the Greek and Hebrew all occupy ASCII slots < 32 or > 127 and when you open
the files in a word processor like Word Perfect Windows the ASCII values
are reassigned to the space or underscore.
Have any of you had to deal with this problem?
Bill Mounce
- -------------------------------
Teknia Software, Inc.
1306 W. Bellwood Drive
Spokane, WA 99218-2911
Internet: billm@teknia.com (preferred)
AOL: Mounce
CIS: 71540,2140 (please, only if necessary)
"It may be Greek to you, but it is life to me."
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From: "James D. Ernest" <ernest@mv.mv.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:37:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: TLG -- Writers' list
On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Edward Hobbs wrote:
> _Thesaurus Linguae Graecae: Can of Greek Authors and Works_
^^^
Prof. Hobbs meant to type "Canon"--though the typo is perhaps
felicitous.
- --I think I remember that most of this info is also on the disk,
though I can't remember a file name and the TLG set-up I use
is down in Boston. You might find it by scanning a directory
of the CD.
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
James D. Ernest Joint Doctoral Program
Manchester, New Hampshire, USA Andover-Newton/Boston College
Internet: ernest@mv.mv.com Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts
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From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:16:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Junias Redivivus!
I'm not sure that this got out to the net; it got hung in my Eudora program
and didn't confirm a send, so I'm sending it a second time.
At 12:26 PM 11/30/95, Edward Hobbs wrote:
>Carl Conrad raises the question about the accentuation of Iounian in Rom.16:7
>with a question about how far back these accents go.
> We went through all this a couple of years ago or so; we seem to
>have to re-invent the wheel with regularity!
> The oldest uncials of course do not have accents. Was there a
>(secret, never-revealed) quasi-Masoretic tradition among early Christian
>copyists as to accentuation? To ask the question is to answer it.
> But the really more significant question is: What is the tradition
>of accentuation of this name? And the fact is that the final circumflex is
>VERY RECENT! (I.e., 20th century!). To my knowledge, NO MS. gives this accent!
>Even Hort's 1881 text gives IouNIan, acute on penult, thus feminine. And
>this accentuation is also found inserted by second corrector even in B and D.
> Wierdly enough, Metzger's note on this passage only discusses the
>variant "Ioulian", saying not a word about changing a woman into a man and
>moving+changing the accent from its universal form in the MS tradition!
>
> The feminine name "Iounia" is very common. The (imaginary, masculine)
>name "Iounias" is non-existent. It was invented (clumsily, as Carl notes!)
>to eliminate a female apostle. Bauer's largely-excellent Lexicon is marred
>by this entry as one of his stupidest definitions (that it is the common
>woman's name Iounia "is ruled out by the context"!). If Danker doesn't
>change this is his latest revised translation, I will never drink Scotch
>with him again. [Above: this IN his latest]
>
> Heaven knows, we have enough problems with male chauvinism, without
>having to INSERT them into the text!
Thanks, Edward. I knew we'd discussed this before (repeatedly atque ad
nauseam!), but I don't recall our having talked about the accents before.
I'll call Danker tonight and tell him about the scotch-drinking sessions!
He still makes his home here.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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From: Stephen Carlson <scc@reston.icl.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:02:48 EST
Subject: Re: Standardized Transliteration
craigos@ix6.ix.netcom.com wrote:
> I have been reading on this list for a few months and have a list
> oriented question:
>
> Is there a standard format for the transliterations?
There is no standard but this system is popular:
Greek Alphabet: A B G D E Z H Q I K L M N C O P R S T U F X Y W
rough breathing:h, iota subscript:i, digamma:w; acute:/, grave:\, circumflex:=
I think that the introductory materials for this list should include
a statement about the transliteration system. What do others think?
Stephen Carlson
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From: Kenneth Litwak <kenneth@sybase.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:23:42 +0800
Subject: Re: Ken's quest for Vocabulary tables <10x
Thanks to all for suggestions for a vocabulary book. While I grant
that the ideal way to learn vocabulary is n context, my need is to be
able to sigth-read virtually anything in the NT. Even though I have
translated a good deal of the NT, I didn't memorize the vocabulary as
I went. I memorized the words that were in Machen and Metzger, so I have
a need to be able to translate whether I've read the passage before or
not. Besides, I was always in awe of George Ladd just opening his Greek
NT and being able to translate off the top of his head virtually
any NT passage, and have wanted to emulate that (as well as his
scholarly abilities) ever since. Thanks.
Ken Litwak
GTU
Bezerkley, CA
or "To Infinity and Beyond"
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From: John Calvin Hall <johnhall@gulf.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:27:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Bible study software? (fwd)
At 10:18 AM 11/30/95 EST, you wrote:
>In the OLB version I have, Strong's # are only available in the English
>(KJV) module, not the Greek module, and are of course keyed to the
>Textus Receptus instead of the NA26/UBS3. Thus, they are not useful for
>serious Greek work.
Your statement is based on the "assumption" that everyone considers the
Critical Text to be the superior.
John Calvin Hall
johnhall@gulf.net
...Modern Textual Criticism and Biblical Textual Criticism are not the same.
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