RE: 1 Clem. 1:1

From: Mark Gibbs (GibbsM@smcsc.edu)
Date: Mon Sep 27 1999 - 12:01:13 EDT


Greetings,

I have most appreciably and very fruitfully lurked in B-Greek off and on
for a long time, and am now thrilled to be a more active participant as
Dr. Ehrman's questions have dragged me out of my silence.

My dissertation work (under construction) is in 1 Clement and I have
greatly wrestled with the very question that he raises. I am in
agreement at this point that "foreigner in Rome" is an excellent
translation. The use of PAROIKOUSA in the LXX seems to suggest the idea
of "foreigner" and certainly with "Clement's" vast knowledge and use of
the LXX this makes sense to me.

It also seems to me that the word has even possibly become a "technical"
word by this time and I continue to ponder the possible contemporary
influence(s) acting upon Clement. The affinity with the intro to 1
Peter is obvious and my question is (and I realize that one's dating of
1 Peter will play a major role in this discussion) who used whom?

Sincerely,
Mark W. Gibbs
Professor of Religion
Spartanburg Methodist College
Spartanburg, SC
gibbsm@smcsc.edu

> ----------
> From: Bart Ehrman[SMTP:behrman@email.unc.edu]
> Reply To: Bart Ehrman
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:00 PM
> To: Biblical Greek
> Subject: 1 Clem. 1:1
>
> For 1 Clem. 1:1, hH ECCLHSIA TOU QEOU hH PAROIKOUSA RWMHN, what do
> y'all (as we say down here) think of "The church of God that resides
> as a
> foreigner in Rome"? I'm trying to come up with something that carries
> the
> right nuance for PAROIKOUSA ("sojourn" or "dwell" or even "temporarily
> dwells" don't quite cut it, though I like the last option best among
> the
> three.
>
> -- Bart D. Ehrman
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>
>
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