From: Rion K. Reece (yoshua@tky2.3web.ne.jp)
Date: Wed Dec 22 1999 - 09:25:09 EST
CEP7@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/21/1999 7:20:01 PM, yoshua@tky2.3web.ne.jp writes:
>
> << In 1Thessalonians 4:3, [TOUTA GAR ESTIN QELHMA TOU QEOU, hO hAGIASMOS
> hMWN, APEXESQAI hUMAS APO THS PORNEIAS] is hO hAGIASMOS hMWN further
> explaining QEOU, i.e. "God, the (one who is)your sanctification..."?
> Charles Powell wrote:
> hO hAGIASMOS is in apposition to QELHMA, both being in the nominative case,
> while TOU QEOU is in the genitive. In order for the participle to be in
> apposition to TOU QEOU, it would have to be in the genitive case also.
>
> Rion Reece wrote:
Thank you for your reply! Especially for being so fast. I have to confess to
still being a little bit confused though...my Bibleworks program shows hAGIASMOS
as a noun, not a participle. Is that wrong?
Thanks again,
Rion
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CLASSICS Digest 2018
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Roman names for India & China by "Ehrhardt" <ehrhardt@xtra.co.nz> 2) Re: Roman names for India & China by Nick Lowe <n.lowe@rhbnc.ac.uk> 3) Re: Roman names for India & China by Danny Adams <dda@wwco.com> 4) pompeiian graffiti by David Meadows <dmeadows@idirect.com> 5) Pompeiian vandals (was: pompeiian graffiti) by Pallanteum@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:22:10 +1300 From: "Ehrhardt" <ehrhardt@xtra.co.nz> To: <classics@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Roman names for India & China Message-ID: <007401bf4b8c$7b252600$da2537d2@hpcustomer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
For Rome and China, I know nothing to beat Manfred Raschke's long, full, readable article in one of the volumes of that never-ending series, Aufstieg und Niedergang der roemischen Welt (sorry, don't know which one - but it is in English). It must be about twenty years old by now, but it seems to cover everything, and has a bibliography with, it seems, every title since the first bit of silk made its way westwards (or perhaps since the first Roman glassware moved east - if you ever visit China, look for Roman glass in museum displays; it was obviously highly valued).
Chris. Ehrhardt
----- Original Message ----- From: David Lupher <dlupher@ups.edu> To: <classics@u.washington.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 3:04 AM Subject: Re: Roman names for India & China
> Danny Adams asks: > > I can't remember this piece of information nor can I find the > >answer in my library tonight: Does anyone know what names the Romans used > >to refer to China and India? Thanks. > > India was, well, "India." See Catullus 45.6. etc. etc. > > The Romans tended to refer to China by referring, as they often did, > to the people rather than to the land, so "Seres" was standard. If you > want a regional designation, there is "regio Serica" at Ammianus > Marcellinus 23.6.14. > > By the way, when I was a kid I happily plunked down my 85 cents for > Sir Mortimer Wheeler's Pelican Book "Rome Beyond the Imperial Frontiers," > illustrated with 32 pages of photos of Roman coins from South India, > etc. etc. Is there some handy modern successor to this book? It > seems like I ought to know the answer to this question, but I don't. > Wheeler's book is still on my shelves, but surely he's been superseded? > > David Lupher > Classics Dept. > Univ. of Puget Sound > >
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:53:04 +0000 From: Nick Lowe <n.lowe@rhbnc.ac.uk> To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Roman names for India & China Message-ID: <l03130300b485c0cc4021@[134.219.202.206]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
David Lupher asked:
>By the way, when I was a kid I happily plunked down my 85 cents for >Sir Mortimer Wheeler's Pelican Book "Rome Beyond the Imperial Frontiers," >illustrated with 32 pages of photos of Roman coins from South India, >etc. etc. Is there some handy modern successor to this book?
N.H.H. Sitwell's The World the Romans Knew (London: Hamish Hamilton, 1984); later editions as Outside the Empire: The World the Romans Knew. Wonderful.
Nick Lowe n.lowe@rhbnc.ac.uk
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:48:06 -0500 (EST) From: Danny Adams <dda@wwco.com> To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Roman names for India & China Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210946520.6641-100000@calvin.wwco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> > By the way, when I was a kid I happily plunked down my 85 cents for > Sir Mortimer Wheeler's Pelican Book "Rome Beyond the Imperial Frontiers," > illustrated with 32 pages of photos of Roman coins from South India, > etc. etc. Is there some handy modern successor to this book? It > seems like I ought to know the answer to this question, but I don't. > Wheeler's book is still on my shelves, but surely he's been superseded? > > David Lupher > Classics Dept. > Univ. of Puget Sound > First of all, thanks for all who replied...second, I'm not sure if there's been a successor to this book (unless there's something like it in the books about ancient geography in general). But perhaps I could find a used copy of this particular book online.
Danny Adams
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:04:12 -0500 From: David Meadows <dmeadows@idirect.com> To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: pompeiian graffiti Message-ID: <4.3.0.23.19991221180115.01655a20@idirect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
The Nova Roma list had mention of a nice little page with some examples of graffiti from pompeii ... the page is in Russian, but the graffiti (images and transcription) are in Latin forms ... there's a nice gladiatorial graffito, an example of a political endorsement, the arma virumque cano, and a couple of others. I'm sure someone will find it useful for class porpoises ...
dm ]|[ David Meadows ]|[ http://web.idirect.com/~atrium ]|[ Rogue Classicist ]|[
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:56:30 EST From: Pallanteum@aol.com To: classics@u.washington.edu Subject: Pompeiian vandals (was: pompeiian graffiti) Message-ID: <0.a8987777.25917bbe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I don't know why David's message brought this to mind but one afternoon as I was wandering about the ruins of Pompeii I heard this CRACK, CRACK, CRACK sound coming from around the corner. As I went to investigate I found two German women, probably well into their fifties, bashing away at a brick wall with a large rock trying to break off some keepsakes. I seemed to startle them at first but they continued to bash away until I yelled for them to stop. They responded in some string of words which I'm sure were complementing me on my ancient civic-mindedness and shuffled off in a huff.
Mark Keith pallanteum@aol.com
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